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Joe Maddon Unfiltered: Managing Ohtani’s usage, Framber Valdez controversy, Mike Trout landing spots? · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Skip, It's great to be with you.
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Speaker 2: It's been a long time since I have had the
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Speaker 2: opportunity to talk with you, so Joe, thanks for coming
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Speaker 2: on with the boys here on foul Territory. Let me
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Speaker 2: ask you first about show Hey, Otani taking some more
0:22
Speaker 2: days off this year. Dave Roberts is saying that sometimes
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Speaker 2: he'll hit when he pitches and sometimes he won't.
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Speaker 1: How would you handle that situation?
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Speaker 3: Skip, Well, personal, nice to see you guys again. Very cool.
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Speaker 3: And the one thing you mentioned about the marketing the
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Speaker 3: market or large market or small market. I like the
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Speaker 3: large market because of the accountability component to it. Also,
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Speaker 3: I was good with that you go to Wrigley Field
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Speaker 3: every day. There's a large level of accountability from the
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Speaker 3: fan base too, and of course the press. Like you said,
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Speaker 3: there's the group within the press that you kind of
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Speaker 3: feel comfortable speaking with and some are not so comfortable
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Speaker 3: speaking with. But that's okay. It's all a part of
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Speaker 3: the entertainment industry. I had to get that out of
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Speaker 3: the way. However, Show Show Hey. The way I did
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Speaker 3: it with him was we had a meeting in spring training,
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Speaker 3: and the rules where there are no rules, meaning you
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Speaker 3: tell me I've never had a guy that did both
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Speaker 3: since I did it in literally probably right pitch and
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Speaker 3: play a position, and so I really wanted to stay
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Speaker 3: out of that. The one thing we settled on back
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Speaker 3: then was that if he thought of his legs, would
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Speaker 3: tell him the whole story. If his legs felt fatigued
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Speaker 3: at all, we would not do both. And but he
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Speaker 3: would tell me the night before he had to pitch
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Speaker 3: what we're going to do. So I'm just curious if
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Speaker 3: this is his idea or if it's the Dodger's idea.
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Speaker 3: That would just be my take on the whole thing,
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Speaker 3: because knowing him, he believes that the team stuends a
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Speaker 3: better chance of winning on the day that he pitches
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Speaker 3: when he hits his that was his logic. It's pretty
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Speaker 3: good logic, So again i'd be curious. I'm just curious
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Speaker 3: to know where that's coming from. As he gets older,
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Speaker 3: it was probably part of the equation, I would think. However,
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Speaker 3: I don't know any of that, So for me, it
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Speaker 3: would be a conversation would show if he's in a
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Speaker 3: little bit of a slump, I would not worry. He
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Speaker 3: needs to get back into left central when he starts
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Speaker 3: pulling the ball he gets pull happy, he pulls off
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Speaker 3: pitches outside to slow rollover, et cetera, et cetera. He'll
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Speaker 3: come out of that, So I always like to follow
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Speaker 3: his lead in this situation.
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Speaker 4: Dave's quote was, we were thinking about it, but it
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Speaker 4: wasn't for certain, and then I saw body language from
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Speaker 4: him and some of his swings. What do those things
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Speaker 4: look like when you're talking about the best player on
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Speaker 4: the planet and you have to evaluate that as a manager?
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean that comes, like you said, it's individual,
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Speaker 3: individualized regarding whom I'm watching and the observation. Normally that
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Speaker 3: would be I'm just talking about he's pulling off a
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Speaker 3: lot of stuff, maybe swinging the pitches in the dirt normally,
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Speaker 3: and he'll chase the high fastball too, but it just
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Speaker 3: totally out of character. He looks like he's defeated in
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Speaker 3: a sense. When I say he, I'm talking about any
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Speaker 3: baseball player. I'm not talking about shows specifically, right, And
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Speaker 3: I think that's what you're looking for. I always like
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Speaker 3: to look in somebody's eyes and you get that blank
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Speaker 3: look about him, to the point where it just seems
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Speaker 3: totally frustrated, has no answers, and sometimes in that situation,
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Speaker 3: a day or two would be the route. I would
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Speaker 3: go off like just a day off, and I guess
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Speaker 3: just by pitching or not hitting that would be considered
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Speaker 3: a day off. But with a guy like show, a
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Speaker 3: player that has like a pretty good baseball card on
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Speaker 3: the back, the numbers are pretty solid, and he's still
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Speaker 3: young in the prime, whatever, I would probably I think
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Speaker 3: pretty certainly I would talk to the fellaw first. I
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Speaker 3: would not make a unilateral decision right here, saying you're
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Speaker 3: just not you're out. I believe that you're you're you know,
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Speaker 3: you need a couple of days off would be a conversation.
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Speaker 3: I probably would be very persuasive, possibly like in my
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Speaker 3: conversation with the player, like trying to get him to
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Speaker 3: want to understand if it's best for him right now.
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Speaker 3: It might get to the point if it gets really ugly,
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Speaker 3: that you just say, listen, I want you to take
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Speaker 3: a day or two off. But the original concept would
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Speaker 3: be conversational, my observations that would try to relay them
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Speaker 3: to him, this is why that's what I'm seeing. Of course,
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Speaker 3: numbers would back it up, but when a guy's got
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Speaker 3: some stature, I would take it a little bit more slowly.
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Speaker 5: Joe, have you ever told a pitcher to throw at
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Speaker 5: a hitter? Yes or no? It's a yes or no question.
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Speaker 3: No I never did.
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Speaker 5: Okay, well that's a lie because you threw me all
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Speaker 5: the time. So that's a lie, Joe. Okay, so at
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Speaker 5: least five seventeen times you had your picture throw at me.
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Speaker 5: That's fine, I get it, Okay, But what about last night?
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Speaker 5: What happened from Bravaldez? He didn't throw at Trevor's story
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Speaker 5: after giving up ten runs and back to back homers,
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Speaker 5: and then he threw his first four seemer of the
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Speaker 5: year that hit him square between the numbers. How do
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Speaker 5: you handle this as a manager? I mean, aj handled
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Speaker 5: as bad as well as he could, But how do
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Speaker 5: you do you go to the picture and say, look, man,
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Speaker 5: we can't have this right now? How do you how
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Speaker 5: do you what's the fine line of a manager in
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Speaker 5: this situation?
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Speaker 3: Let me backtrack here just a second. I kind of
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Speaker 3: noticed that. So he was left in the game the
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Speaker 3: up ten runs? Is that right?
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Speaker 5: Yeah? It was. I don't know if he gave he
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Speaker 5: gave up a lot. Yeah, it was all.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So for me it was I'm sorry that their
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Speaker 2: bullpen was was getting crushed too. I mean he they
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Speaker 2: needed him to give them length because there was a
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Speaker 2: couple of bullpen games prior to those to yesterday's game too,
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Speaker 2: and then he was getting absolutely obliterated.
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Speaker 3: I've I've been in situations where I've since I've not
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Speaker 3: done this either, AJ with situations I saw. I saw
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Speaker 3: mister Tory one time leave l Duke in to give
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Speaker 3: up ten points in Anaheim because he had been complaining
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Speaker 3: about it. He was getting taken out of the game
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Speaker 3: too early prior to that. So when I see something
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Speaker 3: like this, I almost wonder like if the picture had
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Speaker 3: popped off at any point. That's that. Let's get that
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Speaker 3: out of the way. Now, what we're talking about here,
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Speaker 3: How did AJ handle? Okay? We we didn't feel like
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Speaker 3: the conversation didn't feel good. Yeah, I mean, listen, I
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Speaker 3: don't want anybody to hit I never I did. I
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Speaker 3: did not want him to hit anybody. I never asked
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Speaker 3: anybody to hit anybody. Even when AJ did all those
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Speaker 3: crazy things against the teams that I managed and and
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Speaker 3: really hurt us several occasions.
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Speaker 5: So happened, Joe that I get hit right after that?
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Speaker 5: It just it just didn't come. No, you know what,
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Speaker 5: it didn't come. It came from Soshia, or it came
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Speaker 5: from you know, Ron Rennicky or some.
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Speaker 3: One of the veteran fitter, a veteran pitcher in the
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Speaker 3: in the bullpen. I'm sure Percy probably had a lot
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Speaker 3: to do with that as an example, But how do
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Speaker 3: you handle that? I mean, here's the way I like
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Speaker 3: to handle things in all these situations. And this, this
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Speaker 3: is my Jack Ryan moment, meaning that I was a
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Speaker 3: big reader. I'm still a big reader. And the protagonist
6:43
Speaker 3: and a lot of the Clancy novels was a guy
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Speaker 3: by name of Jack Ryan. You've seen in the movies.
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Speaker 3: And when he was pressed one time, uh, in one
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Speaker 3: of the movie and one of the novels the movies. Uh,
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Speaker 3: there was an incident in the Caribbean where a very
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Speaker 3: good friend of the president was involved in this big
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Speaker 3: drug bust deal shot killed on a boat, and the
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Speaker 3: spin doctors wanted the president to say, you know something
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Speaker 3: weird or different to distance himself, and though Jack Ryan
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Speaker 3: said no, mister President, he was not only one of
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Speaker 3: your friends, he's one of your best friends. In other words,
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Speaker 3: run at it, don't run away from it. So if
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Speaker 3: it's hard for Aja, he can't come out just and
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Speaker 3: say that, yes, we intentionally threw out the hitter right
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Speaker 3: there was I don't think he gave that kind of
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Speaker 3: an order right there. But you just got to be honest.
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Speaker 3: If you're honest with the press, if you're honest with
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Speaker 3: what you say normally, the situation goes away rather quickly.
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Speaker 3: If you dissemble, if you try to take the truth
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Speaker 3: and pick it apart and not give everybody everything, then
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Speaker 3: the story becomes a story. So for me, it's a
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Speaker 3: Jack Ryan moment. You just throw it the truth out there,
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Speaker 3: and to me, when you do do that, the story
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Speaker 3: goes away rather quickly.
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Speaker 5: Right, Joe, that's the favor Who's your favorite Jack, Ryan?
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Speaker 5: I need to know who your favorite Jack Ryan?
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Speaker 3: I love among them. I really liked the Harrison Ford.
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Speaker 3: I did like him a lot. He was great with that.
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Speaker 3: But I wasuly the first one hunter for Red October Baldwin, right.
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Speaker 5: He was really good in that.
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Speaker 3: I really liked that a lot, and if they had
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Speaker 3: stayed with him, I was going to be good with that.
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Speaker 3: And that was a great book I read. I read
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Speaker 3: most of the books, Clear and Present Danger, read all
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Speaker 3: this stuff. It was fantastic. So I'm saying fortunately because
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Speaker 3: I think I saw him the most. But I really
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Speaker 3: like Baldwin's portrayal. I did.
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Speaker 4: All right, Well, you said about honesty. Isn't there kind
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Speaker 4: of a moment with a team though, where you see
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Speaker 4: this and you don't want this to be the persona
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Speaker 4: of your team. Is this a case where you maybe
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Speaker 4: make an example out of him? And would you ever
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Speaker 4: say what you have to say in front of the
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Speaker 4: team to Framberg or you always a closed door and
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Speaker 4: then we'll conversate about how it's going to be taken
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Speaker 4: care of with the team.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I critic praise publicly, criticized privately. I would
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Speaker 3: if I have an issue, I want to talk to
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Speaker 3: you about it privately first always and really try to
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Speaker 3: let's get on the same page with this, and how
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Speaker 3: are we going to proceed with this? And again you're right,
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Speaker 3: I mean the talks that we talk about honesty, it's
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Speaker 3: it's as honest as we could possibly be with this
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Speaker 3: without really blowing it up to the point where somebody's
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Speaker 3: gonna get hurt. But I do. I would have the
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Speaker 3: conversation first behind closed door, talk it all the way through,
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Speaker 3: and then for me, I would almost like I understanding
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Speaker 3: the situation properly, like maybe have Framberg addressed the whole
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Speaker 3: group after We've had an opportunity to do this privately,
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Speaker 3: but I don't. I don't like to do I don't
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Speaker 3: like to call anybody out in front of a team.
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Speaker 3: I can't even remember the last time or if I
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Speaker 3: ever did do that. I called out a whole team
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Speaker 3: in Kansas City in two thousand and eight when we
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Speaker 3: won a game in Kansas City because I did not
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Speaker 3: I never like punitive meetings. I never like punitive workouts.
10:56
Speaker 3: But we if you win, if you have if you
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Speaker 3: call the group out after a win, and after win
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Speaker 3: on the road, because after a win, because you know,
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Speaker 3: everybody's kind of happy, whatever. But I was really pissed
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Speaker 3: on that particular day. We were kind of starting to
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Speaker 3: go through the motions. We'd never really done anything before.
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Speaker 3: So I did that there and after on the road,
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Speaker 3: because you don't want to soil your home clubhouse. I
11:18
Speaker 3: did not like when there was these really negative meetings
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Speaker 3: in a home clubhouse because that's a report to work mostly.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's half the seasons in that clubhouse. So
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Speaker 3: if you're gonna get upset, do it after win, do
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Speaker 3: it on the road. And I you know, that was
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Speaker 3: the one time I screamed at a group to the
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Speaker 3: point where I lost my voice, and that was two
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Speaker 3: thousand and eight in Kansas City. I believe it was August,
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Speaker 3: and I was concerned they were getting too big for
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Speaker 3: our bridges. But otherwise I don't Individually, I've never I
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Speaker 3: don't know if ever, I don't think I even did
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Speaker 3: that in the minor leagues. I've done some stupid things,
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Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, but I don't think I was
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Speaker 3: that dumb. And praise publicly, criticized privately, I think is
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Speaker 3: the best way to go through something like this, and
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Speaker 3: I really adhere to that.
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Speaker 5: Thank you for admitting that you had pictures throw at me,
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Speaker 5: so thank you for telling me. Thank you for admitting
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Speaker 5: you've done a lot of dumb things. You just admitted
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Speaker 5: it without a minute.
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Speaker 3: I did, I did, I know, I do a lot
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Speaker 3: of us. I have a list that's some of them
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Speaker 3: in the book too.
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Speaker 5: Thank you. Also, by the way, you obviously don't know
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Speaker 5: Ozzie Gean very well because he criticized publicly and then
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Speaker 5: try to pump you up.
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Speaker 3: So he was kind of the opposite direction, right, because
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Speaker 3: the opposite of you, which is fine, I mean if you.
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Speaker 5: Yes, exactly, love Ozzie to death. Uh so you guys
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Speaker 5: are a little bit different. Mike Trout. He's in Anaheim,
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Speaker 5: you managed Mike Trout. Will we ever see him leave
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Speaker 5: Anaheim to try to go to a place to win
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Speaker 5: because they're they're not winning this year there. It doesn't
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Speaker 5: look like they're going to win anytime soon. Be could
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Speaker 5: it turned around?
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Speaker 4: Sure?
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Speaker 5: But now people it's kind of getting louder and louder. Hey,
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Speaker 5: Mike Trout's off to a great start to be the
12:52
Speaker 5: perfect time for the Angels to finally move him. Will
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Speaker 5: that happen?
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Speaker 3: I don't think it will happen, But I thought it
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Speaker 3: should have happened when it was pretty obvious that show
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Speaker 3: he was going to leave the Angels, or when he
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Speaker 3: did leave the Angels, I thought that was the perfect
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Speaker 3: time to trade mikey at that time too, only because
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Speaker 3: I mean, the situation there wasn't good at that moment.
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Speaker 3: It still hasn't really risen high above that particular moment
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Speaker 3: in time. And they do if they if they could
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Speaker 3: restock in a in a very healthy way, and that
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Speaker 3: would be up to their determination how they evaluate prospects.
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Speaker 3: But yes, I would I would send him out. I
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Speaker 3: would send him out for his own benefit, for the
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Speaker 3: benefit of baseball, getting an opportunity to see him play
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Speaker 3: in a playoff situation, just not unlike what happened with
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Speaker 3: the show when he went to the Dodgers and all
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Speaker 3: of a sudden it has become kind of a showtime.
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Speaker 3: And you know, Mikey looks really good right now. I'm
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Speaker 3: watching him in center field. He's moving well. You watch him.
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Speaker 3: I saw him score first to home I think, and
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Speaker 3: I saw him the camera happened to be on him
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Speaker 3: going from around third base to the plate, and then
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Speaker 3: he actually slid in the home plate, and I thought, wow,
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Speaker 3: he must be feeling pretty good if he just didn't
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Speaker 3: run through the bag, slid into it, and he never
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Speaker 3: lost stride and the effort level was good. So yeah,
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Speaker 3: if there's there's no better time for them to do
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Speaker 3: it than right now, get something in return for it.
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Speaker 3: It's not conceding the feat by any means. It's just
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Speaker 3: a smart baseball maneuver. And and if in any way
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Speaker 3: they could they could hook up with a group that
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Speaker 3: they feel good about their return, I think it would
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Speaker 3: be wise.
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Speaker 4: Where would you see Where would you like to see
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Speaker 4: for Mike Trout and for baseball, where would you like
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Speaker 4: to see him play and be and be a good fit.
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Speaker 4: It has to be a playoff team, obviously, like you said.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I obviously Philadelphia is a good spot.
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Speaker 3: I mean, everybody you know that's an easy fit because
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Speaker 3: he's lives right down the street from there, and I like,
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Speaker 3: I like, uh, what Crawford's doing there. I think he's
14:40
Speaker 3: going to be a fine young player. Brandon marsh is there.
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Speaker 3: I know a lot of those guys, but I think
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Speaker 3: Mikey in the middle of that whole situation, being right handed,
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Speaker 3: would be very helpful for that particular group. I think
14:50
Speaker 3: he would thrive in the atmosphere. He knows what it's like.
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Speaker 3: He I think he would fit into Philadelphia very easily.
14:55
Speaker 3: You were just talking about playing in New York, and
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Speaker 3: that's an acquired ability. Also, I think to a certain extent,
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Speaker 3: playing in Philly can be described in the same way.
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Speaker 3: So some places like that, I think it would be great.
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Speaker 3: I mean, well, primarily I would say Philadelphia if I
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Speaker 3: had one landing spot. I like him in Philadelphia. I
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Speaker 3: think that makes sense, and I think he can be
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Speaker 3: kind of a real difference maker for them since the
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Speaker 3: firing of Robbie, which you know, again, I hope people
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Speaker 3: don't read that wrongly, because Robbie Thompson is a very
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Speaker 3: good manager, and they're just benefiting from the fact that
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Speaker 3: the Phillies I think, were kind of embarrassed that their
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Speaker 3: manager got fired, and all of a sudden, the accountability
15:32
Speaker 3: factor has even gotten even higher. So it's just another
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Speaker 3: little pump that that possibly could get them over the top.
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Speaker 3: So I think the perfect landing spot. I don't even
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Speaker 3: know what their minor leagues looks like regarding a return
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Speaker 3: in prospects, but that would be a perfect spot for Michael.
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Speaker 2: Joey brought up Robbie Thompson, and I believe he's just
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Speaker 2: such a good baseball man. Alex corrifired first Rob Thompson
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Speaker 2: a couple of days after that. Did the timing of
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Speaker 2: these particular situations surprise you. I mean, at the time,
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Speaker 2: I don't even think that they had played thirty games
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Speaker 2: into the season.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's kind of tough to decide at that
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Speaker 3: particular point. You know, I was let go relatively early,
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Speaker 3: but not that soon. You know. Sometimes it almost seems
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Speaker 3: as though that the organization was thinking about that in advance,
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Speaker 3: make even in the spring trending. Now I've already talked
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Speaker 3: about this. I thought it was easier for the Red
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Speaker 3: Sox to do to let Alex go only because he
16:26
Speaker 3: was not hired by that regime, whereas Robbie came back
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Speaker 3: as a savior with the with the Phillies a couple
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Speaker 3: of years ago. So I thought that was a little
16:33
Speaker 3: bit more difficult. And I also believe that's why Carlos Mendez,
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Speaker 3: who I also like, I think these are good, These
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Speaker 3: are really good managers. You have to really have something
16:40
Speaker 3: lined up pretty good to take the place of these guys,
16:45
Speaker 3: so they're that they're that competent, so they did. It
16:48
Speaker 3: did surprise me. I'm glad that Mendoz is still there.
16:50
Speaker 3: I really am. I I think Sterns understands that he
16:53
Speaker 3: did hire him, and I think that there in lie
16:55
Speaker 3: somewhat of the difference. So that's why I was not
16:58
Speaker 3: surprised with Alex, a little bit more surprised when Robbie
17:00
Speaker 3: was let go. And of right now, like I said,
17:02
Speaker 3: the Phillies look like they're doing something well. I mean,
17:05
Speaker 3: and I listen, Don Mattingly is one of my faves,
17:08
Speaker 3: so I'm happy for him also, But it's just the
17:12
Speaker 3: early point in the season kind of difficult to understand.
17:16
Speaker 3: But then again, these are teams that still believe they
17:19
Speaker 3: got an opportunity to get to the Dance. So I
17:22
Speaker 3: think that they thought, if we don't do this now,
17:24
Speaker 3: that it's going to look like this for a long
17:26
Speaker 3: time and we're going to miss our opportunity.
17:28
Speaker 5: That's what it sounds like, Joe Tony Veitelo. I think
17:34
Speaker 5: you've had some comments on him going. I can't imagine
17:37
Speaker 5: jumping from college to the big leagues without even managing
17:39
Speaker 5: anywhere at a stop, having any idea speed of the game,
17:43
Speaker 5: length of the season. There's so many things right now,
17:46
Speaker 5: it's not going very well. He's still have been some
17:48
Speaker 5: emins that the game going too fast, there's longer than
17:51
Speaker 5: he thought they have. How do you address this if
17:54
Speaker 5: you're the Giants? But what's your next move you're the Giants?
17:57
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, it is different. I mean, there's
17:59
Speaker 3: nothing the same about you're describing going from the college
18:03
Speaker 3: game to the not just the professional game, the major
18:06
Speaker 3: league game. I you know, I became a manager when
18:08
Speaker 3: in the big leagues, when I was fifty one to
18:09
Speaker 3: fifty two, and I was so grateful that it took
18:12
Speaker 3: me that long to become a manager because I needed
18:15
Speaker 3: so much experience. I never played in the big leagues,
18:17
Speaker 3: which I thought was not necessarily requirement to be a
18:20
Speaker 3: manager in the big league, but to have played there,
18:23
Speaker 3: I would have understood what it was like to be
18:25
Speaker 3: there better. The beat of the day, like you were
18:29
Speaker 3: talking about earlier, the press factor, the media factor, the
18:32
Speaker 3: travel factor, the length of the season factor, the ups
18:34
Speaker 3: and down factor. There's so much going on with that,
18:37
Speaker 3: and then you're talking about some really highly charged personalities.
18:40
Speaker 3: These are men, these are professionals. This is their livelihood.
18:44
Speaker 3: You don't have the same kind of sway over them
18:45
Speaker 3: that you would in a collegiate environment where you're omnipotent.
18:49
Speaker 3: I mean, you're in charge of everything. You are the COO, CFO,
18:52
Speaker 3: the c whatever oo. You are in charge, and the
18:56
Speaker 3: way you can interact with these guys is completely different
18:59
Speaker 3: than you can on a professional, more importantly a major
19:02
Speaker 3: league level. For me right now, and I'll say this
19:05
Speaker 3: because I did, I did say some things, and primarily
19:07
Speaker 3: it was like kind of insulting, is the way I
19:09
Speaker 3: described and only because I am defending everybody that came
19:13
Speaker 3: before me, also the guys that put me in a
19:16
Speaker 3: place to have the opportunity to become a major league
19:19
Speaker 3: manager and eventually be a part of a group that
19:21
Speaker 3: wins the World Series. That part, to me was so invaluable,
19:24
Speaker 3: and even nobody even talks about the scouting component. Being
19:28
Speaker 3: a scout for so many years was the probably the
19:30
Speaker 3: most important thing part of my resume that helped me
19:34
Speaker 3: become I thought, a good major league coach and then manager.
19:37
Speaker 3: All these things matter. But the point is it's different
19:40
Speaker 3: now because the way front offices deal with this they
19:45
Speaker 3: kind of okay without without so much experience. Because when
19:50
Speaker 3: you get a guy like Tony in there who has
19:52
Speaker 3: not had experience, there's a little bit easier method or
19:54
Speaker 3: ability to control whatever's going on around there because this
19:58
Speaker 3: guy doesn't have the same I built ins and years
20:02
Speaker 3: of experience or feel or everyon want to call it
20:04
Speaker 3: intuition that a guy that has not had that experience
20:07
Speaker 3: has or does not have, so it's an easier controllable situation.
20:11
Speaker 3: He speaks well, he's been very successful. I like him
20:15
Speaker 3: from a distance. I'd love to sit down and have
20:17
Speaker 3: dinner with him, just to hear the whole thing. But
20:19
Speaker 3: their next I talked about this too recently. He needs
20:23
Speaker 3: to be true to himself in he whatever got him there,
20:26
Speaker 3: whatever that is about him that needs to be maintained.
20:30
Speaker 3: That he's gonna hear a lot of stuff from different
20:32
Speaker 3: people that are gonna want him to change, or that
20:35
Speaker 3: he has to change, whether it's his high school coach
20:37
Speaker 3: or somebody in that front office. It's he's hearing a
20:40
Speaker 3: lot of different things right now, I believe, so I
20:43
Speaker 3: know for one thing. Man, That's why I'm so happy
20:46
Speaker 3: I didn't get it till that was that later meaning
20:47
Speaker 3: a manager's job. I knew what I thought. I knew
20:49
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20:52
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20:55
Speaker 3: you guys know that, man, it's not it's it's ninety
20:58
Speaker 3: feet sixty feet six, which defenses are the same distance.
21:01
Speaker 3: But the game cannot be more different.
21:04
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Speaker 4: He clearly connects with people. I think that's probably why
22:08
Speaker 4: he got the job. What on the field do you
22:11
Speaker 4: feel like if you think back to when you first
22:14
Speaker 4: were in a big league dugout after your years in
22:16
Speaker 4: the minor leagues. You weren't a manager right out of
22:18
Speaker 4: the gate. You were on a big league field watching
22:21
Speaker 4: the big league game. What do you think is the
22:24
Speaker 4: one thing that's probably toughest for him to adjust to
22:29
Speaker 4: that will take two months, three months and give Giants
22:32
Speaker 4: fans hope that like, oh, he's gonna start to see
22:35
Speaker 4: the game. Because when I watch games and they panned
22:37
Speaker 4: to the dugout, I'm seeing the big league coaches looking
22:40
Speaker 4: at this way and he's looking this way.
22:43
Speaker 5: So for you, is there.
22:44
Speaker 4: Something that you're like, Man, I wonder if he's able
22:46
Speaker 4: to see the speed of okay this or three or
22:51
Speaker 4: four batters ahead that I need to get this guy loose.
22:55
Speaker 3: The biggest thing that I felt when I got there,
22:57
Speaker 3: I felt that was useless. Has some major league I
23:01
Speaker 3: just went from running the entire minor league system. I
23:03
Speaker 3: had been a minor league manager. I had been a
23:05
Speaker 3: scout like I just talked about. But when I got
23:08
Speaker 3: there as the bullpen coach, Marcel took me up there,
23:11
Speaker 3: Marcel Latchman, I felt useless. I sat in on team
23:14
Speaker 3: meetings and I listened to different coaches present the information
23:18
Speaker 3: regarding the other team and just the other team in general,
23:21
Speaker 3: I've not been around I've not seen these guys in person.
23:24
Speaker 3: I felt useless. I felt like I didn't have an
23:26
Speaker 3: opinion because I didn't know. I had not been around this.
23:30
Speaker 3: So that was the one thing I had overcome. And
23:33
Speaker 3: what I did was I started taking my own notes,
23:35
Speaker 3: and eventually the next year I became the first base coach,
23:39
Speaker 3: and my note taking got pretty deep and intense by
23:42
Speaker 3: that point. So it got to meetings my second year,
23:45
Speaker 3: and that was after the strike year of ninety four.
23:47
Speaker 3: I started to feel as though I can contribute. I'm
23:50
Speaker 3: talking as a coach, not as the manager. So I
23:53
Speaker 3: was very versed as a manager. I ran instructional leagues,
23:55
Speaker 3: iran spring trainings, I ran teams, I was a scout,
23:58
Speaker 3: I was in charge of it territories. But I felt
24:00
Speaker 3: absolutely useless when I got to the big leagues and
24:03
Speaker 3: attended those meetings when I first got there, because I
24:06
Speaker 3: think it was it was quick and I didn't understand
24:08
Speaker 3: what we're talking about. I went through this whole thing
24:11
Speaker 3: in the minor leagues, absolutely, but the game, the game
24:14
Speaker 3: is like I said, it's the same, but it's completely different.
24:17
Speaker 3: So it took me a while to get up the speed,
24:19
Speaker 3: observing the other teams, watching other players, and starting to
24:22
Speaker 3: understand when you talk about how to pitch to somebody,
24:25
Speaker 3: how to how to defend somebody, or just like you're
24:28
Speaker 3: suggesting the speed of the game, which I honestly, I'm
24:31
Speaker 3: very pleased that I did get that opportunity to manage
24:33
Speaker 3: in the minor league, because that didn't bother me as
24:36
Speaker 3: much when I became a manager eventually. But the whole
24:39
Speaker 3: thing is you have to feel like you have a
24:42
Speaker 3: chance to make an impact. And if you're coming in
24:45
Speaker 3: there and never having done anything before and all of
24:46
Speaker 3: a sudden you're the manager, which is that's why you
24:48
Speaker 3: have to make the most impact with It's very difficult
24:51
Speaker 3: because you just don't know the league and you don't
24:53
Speaker 3: know the players.
24:55
Speaker 5: Joe, what year was it when you told your catchers
24:57
Speaker 5: not the tag guys when the ball hits the dirt.
24:59
Speaker 5: I'm just asking asking for a friend, just asking for
25:02
Speaker 5: a friend.
25:02
Speaker 3: Joe wrote that that was two thousand and six, SAT five,
25:08
Speaker 3: excuse me five going into six.
25:12
Speaker 5: I just wanted to know, Yeah, I was there.
25:16
Speaker 3: Jerry Crawford to Jerry Crawford, do I love it?
25:18
Speaker 5: Doug was Doug?
25:20
Speaker 3: I know, but Jerry, Jerry, But Jerry, Jerry backed him up.
25:23
Speaker 3: Jerry backed him up.
25:24
Speaker 5: They're not going to argue with each other.
25:25
Speaker 2: Joe, you know this, Joe, you recently had a conversation
25:31
Speaker 2: with Jason Jenks of the Athletic. You guys put together,
25:33
Speaker 2: Joe Madden, and these are three best leaders I managed
25:36
Speaker 2: in Major League Baseball. You've been around this game a
25:38
Speaker 2: long time. You've had a lot of guys that you've managed.
25:41
Speaker 2: So you picked three, which is hard to do.
25:43
Speaker 1: It's hard to.
25:43
Speaker 3: Narrow it down.
25:44
Speaker 1: Who did you choose.
25:45
Speaker 5: Let's start.
25:46
Speaker 1: Let's start with number one.
25:47
Speaker 3: I started with Cliff Floyd, and you know I clipped
25:51
Speaker 3: with the two thousand and eight eight excuse me, raise
25:55
Speaker 3: Andrew did a great job that off season. We had
25:58
Speaker 3: a nice young group of core group of players, but
26:02
Speaker 3: we needed some kind of We needed some flavor in there.
26:04
Speaker 3: We need some salt and pepper. We needed some guys
26:06
Speaker 3: could actually lead, and we had Perceval, Troy Percival came
26:09
Speaker 3: on board, Eric Kinski came on board, and then Cliff,
26:11
Speaker 3: who I did not know it all, came on board.
26:13
Speaker 3: And Cliff, one of the threads within these three leaders
26:19
Speaker 3: I felt was like presence, physical presence, and just presence
26:22
Speaker 3: in general. And Cliff is absolutely all about that and
26:25
Speaker 3: all three and they all had the common threat. I
26:28
Speaker 3: love my conversations with him, and he would come and
26:30
Speaker 3: sit in the office. You look, you're right in the eyeballs,
26:32
Speaker 3: and we would talk about things, and it would be
26:34
Speaker 3: things that kind of like, as they say, stuck in
26:36
Speaker 3: your crawl a little bit, things that he didn't like,
26:38
Speaker 3: things that he thought we could do better with, and
26:41
Speaker 3: we'd sit and talk about it and then would attempt
26:43
Speaker 3: to make the adjustments, including himself, because his influence in
26:46
Speaker 3: the clubhouse was that great. And then, like I said,
26:48
Speaker 3: his line drivers, he selects up and left in the tank.
26:51
Speaker 3: And if you ever you've all seen, I think in person,
26:54
Speaker 3: the Cliff Floyd line drive over centerfield fans at Tropic
26:58
Speaker 3: Candonfield was it was absolutely scared. But his method was
27:01
Speaker 3: just like his line drives was different. He just hit
27:04
Speaker 3: the ball differently when he was on top of it.
27:06
Speaker 3: And then his approach in the clubhouse to me was
27:09
Speaker 3: spot on. And I watched him on TV right now
27:11
Speaker 3: and I could feel all of that. So anyway, that's
27:14
Speaker 3: all encompassing. It starts with presence. He was an absolute winner.
27:19
Speaker 3: All he wanted to do was win, and he had
27:21
Speaker 3: this a humble way about him also, And I think
27:24
Speaker 3: all three of them do that. They're just there to
27:26
Speaker 3: share information. They want to win. But the presence factor
27:31
Speaker 3: really carries a lot away from me.
27:35
Speaker 1: What about number two? Who's your second guy on there?
27:37
Speaker 3: Number two? I had David ROSSI and David when we
27:40
Speaker 3: were with the Cubbies, and I got to know him
27:43
Speaker 3: via phone conversation. In my nineteen sixty five Ford Galaxy.
27:46
Speaker 3: We got deal and put him together with I. And
27:49
Speaker 3: I'm sitting behind a grocery store in Tampa talking to
27:53
Speaker 3: David Ross for the first time, and God that I
27:55
Speaker 3: like him. I really liked him a lot. David was,
27:59
Speaker 3: like I said, he was the bad cop in a
28:01
Speaker 3: good way. David. And the thing that sticks out to
28:05
Speaker 3: me is the time that Wresselled messed up on the field.
28:08
Speaker 3: I don't remember exactly what he was on defense, and
28:12
Speaker 3: so any go, he's walking towards a dugout and I
28:15
Speaker 3: see David walking to that end of the dugout. So
28:17
Speaker 3: I always stayed in that one corner. So I just
28:19
Speaker 3: started looking to my left and I wanted to say, Okay,
28:22
Speaker 3: what's he going to do or how's he going to
28:23
Speaker 3: do it? So I saw the conversation. It looked a
28:26
Speaker 3: little bit bloody, but not horrible. And then afterwards I
28:29
Speaker 3: wanted to make sure I spoke to David. Let's listen, man,
28:32
Speaker 3: I really appreciate what you Appreciate what you're doing. It's necessary,
28:35
Speaker 3: Thank you. I just want you to always understand who
28:38
Speaker 3: your attempt to understand who you're speaking with and how stricter,
28:42
Speaker 3: stern or whatever you can be with that person without
28:44
Speaker 3: blowing him up too much. That was the only thing
28:46
Speaker 3: I was like a teachable moment for me to David
28:48
Speaker 3: at that point also, but he would do that when
28:51
Speaker 3: Tom is in the article, I pinch it for him.
28:53
Speaker 3: He did not like that. He came in the office
28:55
Speaker 3: after the game, and you know, David wasn't the greatest hitter,
28:58
Speaker 3: but and that we probably had a situation platoon stuff.
29:02
Speaker 3: I probably put Miggy and I don't even know Lefty,
29:04
Speaker 3: and he didn't like it. He didn't like it, so
29:07
Speaker 3: he came in my office. We went over it for
29:08
Speaker 3: a bit. We went back and forth pretty well. It
29:10
Speaker 3: was very open, honest and I can still see him
29:13
Speaker 3: sitting across from me. But by that time you're done.
29:15
Speaker 3: Both sides are so honest that you respect each other.
29:18
Speaker 3: You know, told him what I thought, He told me
29:20
Speaker 3: what he thought. Says okay, but if I had to
29:21
Speaker 3: do it again, it might you know, you know, regardless
29:24
Speaker 3: of what you say right now. But it kept going,
29:26
Speaker 3: and then finally he was like, became even better friends
29:30
Speaker 3: in a sense, manager player friend at that point. But
29:33
Speaker 3: I love the fact that he would hold the players
29:35
Speaker 3: accountable in a way that he had presence delivery. The
29:39
Speaker 3: guy has become a major league manager. I think he
29:41
Speaker 3: deserves another opportunity, but he had that way about him also,
29:45
Speaker 3: plus and tremendous sense of humor. He's very funny fella,
29:49
Speaker 3: and he's passionate about what he does.
29:52
Speaker 2: Skip the third guy on your list is one of
29:53
Speaker 2: my favorite people in the game.
29:56
Speaker 1: What you love about him?
29:58
Speaker 3: Same thing. I mean, we've I didn't really have any
30:01
Speaker 3: kind of a confrontation with the Cliffy, but the other
30:04
Speaker 3: two guys, I don't want to say confrontation, but a
30:05
Speaker 3: really good discussion. So Jay, we were in nothing got
30:10
Speaker 3: a tremendous presence. He just walks in a room he's
30:12
Speaker 3: just he's pretty imposing. We had a playoff game in
30:15
Speaker 3: San Francisco and he was struggling at the plane. I
30:17
Speaker 3: guess we're facing the lefty. Could have been bumguard and
30:19
Speaker 3: I don't even know, but I did not start him
30:22
Speaker 3: in the playoff game in San Francisco. And he comes
30:24
Speaker 3: into my office and we sit down there and he,
30:27
Speaker 3: you know, he's pretty upset. He feels like he needs
30:31
Speaker 3: to be out in the field for us to be
30:32
Speaker 3: as good as he possibly can be. And when if
30:35
Speaker 3: he's I can't argue with that. I never I always
30:37
Speaker 3: wanted him on the field always. We were always better
30:40
Speaker 3: when Jay was on the field. We need to score
30:42
Speaker 3: some points that night. So I explained it to him,
30:45
Speaker 3: this is my call right now, and it was my call. Uh,
30:48
Speaker 3: this is the best possible line up we could put
30:50
Speaker 3: out there right now. But be assured, I want you
30:52
Speaker 3: on the field as soon as we can and as
30:54
Speaker 3: often as we can. And that's true, Jason. You know,
30:58
Speaker 3: the whole time in h Cago didn't hit up to
31:01
Speaker 3: his contract, but he delivered. Man. He delivered in every
31:05
Speaker 3: other way possible, whether it was tapping gloves coming off
31:08
Speaker 3: the field to unify the outfielders or the dugout in general,
31:12
Speaker 3: or the best baseball abbreviated baseball team meeting. I guess
31:19
Speaker 3: in history in twenty sixteen when the rain delay in Cleveland,
31:21
Speaker 3: when he took it upon himself to call the boys
31:24
Speaker 3: into the room and discuss with that moment, and pretty
31:28
Speaker 3: much from what I've understood, I wasn't there. The crux
31:32
Speaker 3: of the conversations meeting was this is our time. This
31:35
Speaker 3: is our time, guys. Nobody could take it away from us.
31:38
Speaker 3: It is our time, and we're going to do this
31:41
Speaker 3: pretty solid, pretty short to the point and to me
31:44
Speaker 3: that if anything should go down, people should repeat from
31:47
Speaker 3: that World Series victory is that that Jayward got them
31:50
Speaker 3: in that room and he was very direct with them.
31:54
Speaker 3: We came out, I was upstairs checking the weather report.
31:56
Speaker 3: We came out in the field, and I got I
31:57
Speaker 3: thought the game was just about ready to begin. Our guys,
32:00
Speaker 3: that jack and of course you saw what happened. So
32:03
Speaker 3: do you have the temerity, the ability to the balls
32:07
Speaker 3: to call that meeting like he did and speak as
32:09
Speaker 3: he did Because he wasn't the three hundred hitter, He
32:12
Speaker 3: wasn't the guy with twenty thirty five home runs. He
32:15
Speaker 3: wasn't that guy. He was is a solid human being
32:19
Speaker 3: in a great baseball player, and he did it and
32:22
Speaker 3: that was one of the biggest differences in US winning
32:24
Speaker 3: the World Series.
32:26
Speaker 4: Joe, there was a poll out about the best looking
32:29
Speaker 4: managers while you were still managing, and you were one
32:31
Speaker 4: of the top five best looking managers. But earlier when
32:34
Speaker 4: we brought up this picture of you talking about the
32:39
Speaker 4: best three leaders that you have, the athletic picture. Does
32:43
Speaker 4: this persona fi this picture? Does it personafy what it
32:47
Speaker 4: felt like sometimes managing under what was going on in Anaheim.
32:54
Speaker 3: I'm not good in red. Let's just put it that
32:56
Speaker 3: what it is.
32:57
Speaker 5: Hey, Jay's not either, And that's what I.
32:58
Speaker 3: Was gonna say. I think it's a red thing. I
33:01
Speaker 3: think it's a red thing. I agree with the top five. However,
33:05
Speaker 3: it's uh when I see that picture, I cringe. That's
33:07
Speaker 3: that's a cringeworthy picture. And it's definitely not a sponge
33:11
Speaker 3: worthy picture, but it's definitely cringeworthy.
33:15
Speaker 5: Wow, I got it, I got it, I.
33:17
Speaker 3: Got you got the reference.
33:19
Speaker 5: Okay, I got it, I got it too. Not that old. Yeah,
33:28
Speaker 5: before we let Go Go Go, when did the co
33:31
Speaker 5: the World Series because I don't remember them winning. Did
33:33
Speaker 5: they they won the World Series?
33:35
Speaker 3: They did, they were their last Chicago team to win
33:37
Speaker 3: the World Series.
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Speaker 5: I try to block that out of them. I try
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Speaker 5: to block that out of I think I have.
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Speaker 3: Two thousand and five. When you guys beat us, if
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Speaker 3: you all remember, we had just come off a really
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Speaker 3: difficult moment the Angels did to get to that point.
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Speaker 3: We get to Chicago, we win that first night, and
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Speaker 3: and then that second night, the game is absolutely stolen
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Speaker 3: away from us via one of your broadcasters right here,
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Speaker 3: which I do credit you for. I do listen. I
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Speaker 3: give you all the credit in the world, because those
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Speaker 3: are the kind of things that are not evaluated on
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Speaker 3: any kind of analytical sheet in past, present, or in
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Speaker 3: the future. So you you out competed us in that
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Speaker 3: particular moment you won, and that that one moment, you
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Speaker 3: have to understand, completely turned around the entire series. If
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Speaker 3: that moment doesn't occur, the Angels win that and the
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Speaker 3: Angels go to the World Series, that you're as opposed
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Speaker 3: to the White Sox. That is absolutely true. There's nothing,
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Speaker 3: there's nothing conflated about that. That's what happened, and the
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Speaker 3: White Sox win World Series based on AJ's ability to
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Speaker 3: u rend the first space with the bondet perceived bondatar perceived.
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Speaker 5: I can't do that. Wasn't even what I was going
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Speaker 5: to with this, Okay, okay, but all I wanted to
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Speaker 5: say was, before we let you go, you had Garrett
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Speaker 5: Anderson for a long time, recently passed away, an awful story.
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Speaker 5: Anyone that played against him, anybody that never talked to
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Speaker 5: Garrett Anderson, nothing but the utmost respect. Before we let
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Speaker 5: you go, I just wanted to get your perspective on
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Speaker 5: Garrett Anderson, on GA and just what a great dude
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Speaker 5: he was. Even though we had some battles, he was
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Speaker 5: just always a great dude, always smile and always came up.
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Speaker 5: And I never wanted to see that guy up in
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Speaker 5: a big situation.
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Speaker 3: You're right, Gay. I had him started with like seventeen,
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Speaker 3: I think he was might have been eighteen years of age.
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Speaker 3: It was at Granadi Hills, I don't know, some high
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Speaker 3: school out there in California. I remember our first instructional
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Speaker 3: lead together. I remember a game in particular where he
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Speaker 3: didn't feel the ball well and left field. I think
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Speaker 3: it was at one of the backfields at Fitch Park.
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Speaker 3: That created a conversation. I remember going to Boise to
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Speaker 3: watch him playing Boise, Idaho. He had really never played
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Speaker 3: under the lights much before, so I'm in town as
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Speaker 3: a roving instructor at that point. We kept the lights
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Speaker 3: on after the game so Ga could go out there
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Speaker 3: and hit him some fly balls with the lights on.
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Speaker 3: I was his hitting coach and one of the you
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Speaker 3: know that g just liked to swing the bat. He
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Speaker 3: didn't really like to walk. One of my lines used
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Speaker 3: to be that I wanted you to hunt a pitch,
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Speaker 3: and you know, really hunt the pitch and accept your
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Speaker 3: walks and and and really if you do do that,
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Speaker 3: you're ow'n basically gonna come up. I was. This was
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Speaker 3: part of my spiel back in the day. And one
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Speaker 3: day he came up to me and said, hey, Joe,
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Speaker 3: you know that that thing you talk about, honey, my honey,
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Speaker 3: your pitch. So yeah, ja, he says, I really can't
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Speaker 3: do that. I said, well, Gia, don't do it. Just
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Speaker 3: go out there and hit He was. He's a sweet man,
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Speaker 3: the sweetest. His eyes smiled before his mouth. Did you
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Speaker 3: know where he's coming from the Conversationally, he would just
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Speaker 3: start breaking down with his eyes and and that would
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Speaker 3: be the smile, and you know that you had him
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Speaker 3: in that moment. He and I had some great conversations
36:38
Speaker 3: because there was a you know, Ga had this one
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Speaker 3: speed about him, which sometimes people criticize for him, but
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Speaker 3: I thought it was his strength. Look at the number
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Speaker 3: of games played. You don't have it up there. Do
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Speaker 3: you check out the number of games he played on
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Speaker 3: an annual basis. The guy never missed. He posted, he posted,
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Speaker 3: he posted all the time. If he had injuries, you
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Speaker 3: really hit them out. You could rely upon him. And
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, if there's running and scoring position
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Speaker 3: with two outs, you wanted Ga up there. And even
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Speaker 3: demonstrated that to me when he was in Vancouver. I
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Speaker 3: went up to the cove to watch him play. I
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Speaker 3: was the hitting instructor, and this guy drove and runs
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Speaker 3: without homers, which I always look as a really indicator
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Speaker 3: of a guy that knows how to drive him a point.
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Speaker 3: So beyond that, as a human being, his wife, Teresa's kids,
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Speaker 3: we're all hurting about that one. He remarkably calm, great friend.
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Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever saw him saw him lose
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Speaker 3: his temper. It was always like just like he played
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Speaker 3: even keeled. So it's a big miss. We all, it
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Speaker 3: took us all. I was coming back from a restaurant.
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Speaker 3: Somebody called me that night before it was public. Timmy
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Speaker 3: Mead called me and it was just it's awful. It's awful.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, he was all of that. He was the best.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I didn't know him as well as you.
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Speaker 5: So thank you.
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Speaker 1: You're welcome, very well started, Joe. We appreciate you. Thank
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Speaker 1: you so much. Always good to hear your opinion on
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Speaker 1: things and get the insight.
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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you again soon anytime. Guys continued great
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Speaker 3: luck and success with your show. You guys are great,
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Speaker 3: appreciate it.