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6/4/26: Shawn Ryan Says Trump Duped Him, Ivanka Kushner Private Island, Rubio Confronted On Trump Falling Asleep · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 2: There are increasing signs that Trump's decision to launch these
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Speaker 2: attacks on Iran and start this needless, illegal war of
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Speaker 2: choice against Iran has effectively destroyed his presidency, and one
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Speaker 2: of the signs has been some of the influencers who
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Speaker 2: were previously behind him and were part of the MAGA
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Speaker 2: coalition who have publicly broken with him over the war
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Speaker 2: and over other issues as well to note where they
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Speaker 2: examples of that are Sean Ryan and Megan Kelly, who
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Speaker 2: recently sat down for a conversation together and we're sort
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Speaker 2: of like sorting through the wreggage of Trump and the
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Speaker 2: MAGA movement. Let's take a listen to a little bit
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Speaker 2: of what they had to say.
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Speaker 4: I don't know what to think anymore. I don't even
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Speaker 4: I don't even trust my own intuition when it comes
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Speaker 4: to politics, because I thought thanks were going to be
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Speaker 4: so different, and I got fucking duped.
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Speaker 5: Nobody knows anything about anything.
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Speaker 1: It's one of the themes of the year.
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Speaker 5: The thing is like, the Trump thing is so disappointing
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Speaker 5: because he did seem like he was going to be different.
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Speaker 5: You know, he he was independently wealthy, so there was
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Speaker 5: some reason to believe he wasn't gonna need their money
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Speaker 5: or be swayed by it. He's such a fighter, and
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Speaker 5: a middle finger is a walking middle finger. We took
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Speaker 5: Trump too much at his word on the I'm not
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Speaker 5: going to start any more wars, especially not Middle East wars,
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Speaker 5: especially not one with Iran. We could be here for
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Speaker 5: the next hour running those sounds. We were too non
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Speaker 5: skeptical when when the answers were right there. If you
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Speaker 5: looked at who was backing his campaign, the biggest donor,
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Speaker 5: and she wasn't just Miriam. There are many who's you know,
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Speaker 5: he said her loyalty is more to Israel. Why didn't
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Speaker 5: we pay more attention to that?
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Speaker 2: Why didn't we pay more attention to that? And I
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Speaker 2: do think you know, you could sort of hear whatever
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Speaker 2: you wanted to hear in Trump's pitch, because you can
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Speaker 2: certainly play clips of him too sounding very hawkishan Iran.
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Speaker 2: We all know the record from the first administration backs
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Speaker 2: out of the JCPOA deal, courts potential war with them
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Speaker 2: by assassinating costum soul of money. But you know, people
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Speaker 2: heard what they wanted to hear, and now it's interesting
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Speaker 2: to hear Megan and Sean reckoning with that. The other
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Speaker 2: thing that I've noticed is there have been a few
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Speaker 2: noteworthy instances recently where Trump has either taken some sort
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Speaker 2: of legislative l Republicans pushing back in ways that are
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Speaker 2: a little bit, you know, that are very unusual and
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Speaker 2: rare on some things that seemed important to him. Trump
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Speaker 2: himself or his administration walking away from some things that
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Speaker 2: you know, the earlier part of the administration they definitely
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Speaker 2: would would not have walked away from. So let me
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Speaker 2: fit D four up on the screen first. We all
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Speaker 2: know how freakin' obsessed Trump is with this damn ballroom.
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Speaker 6: Okay, obsessed.
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Speaker 2: It is literally, and I'm not saying this like generally,
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Speaker 2: I'm saying literally, by an analysis of his speech, it
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Speaker 2: is the thing that he talks about the most. So
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Speaker 2: originally Trump was like, Oh, don't worry about it. This
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Speaker 2: will all be funded by private donors, which has its
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Speaker 2: own problems. But okay, it's not going to be taxpayer funds.
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Speaker 2: So he says, oh, I don't have to go to Congress.
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Speaker 2: Well then he said, actually, I need a billion dollars
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Speaker 2: for this thing. So Senate Republicans have now officially ditched
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Speaker 2: an effort huff Post rights to fund President Trump's ballroom
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Speaker 2: at the White House. Money for the Secret Service and
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Speaker 2: the East Wing Modernization project was omitted from a new
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Speaker 2: version of Republicans Build to fund immigration enforcement operations at
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Speaker 2: the Department of Homeland Security. So this is what's called
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Speaker 2: a reconciliation. They only have to pass it with the
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Speaker 2: majority of votes or Republicans have the majority in the Senate,
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Speaker 2: so they should be able to get this through. So
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Speaker 2: this is completely an intra Republican fight. And what was
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Speaker 2: holding this up primarily there are a few other things,
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Speaker 2: but primarily was this ballroom funding where they did not
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Speaker 2: want to do it. So now fun has basically put
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Speaker 2: us foot down and say, we're not appropriating a billion
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Speaker 2: dollars for your freaking ballroom.
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Speaker 6: It's not going to happen.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I thought that that one was significant, but I actually
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Speaker 3: think D five, which I've been trying to shoehorn into
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Speaker 3: the show because I agree with you about how big
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Speaker 3: of a deal it is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was the biggest one to me.
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Speaker 3: The administration has completely backed off this anti weaponization fund
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Speaker 3: for one point eight billion after the announcement, and not
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Speaker 3: just backed off, but has like the entire Senate Caucus
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Speaker 3: effectively came out and was like, this is not happening whatsoever,
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Speaker 3: restrict it to kill it. They even are going to
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Speaker 3: codify it in legislation, saying that not only if they
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Speaker 3: keeping off, that they're going to make it so that
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Speaker 3: they can't create one in the future.
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Speaker 2: Well, and Democrats that are pushing that part because they've
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Speaker 2: got so reportedly ted. Cruz went on his podcast and
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Speaker 2: was like, oh, I totally support this weaponization fund, sir,
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Speaker 2: but there are a lot of Republicans and he says
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Speaker 2: about half the caucus that would vote against it, and
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Speaker 2: so Democrats, sensing a divide and a weakness here, are
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Speaker 2: wanting to push for Okay, let's codify it, like don't
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Speaker 2: just pull this, you know, don't just say okay, we're
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Speaker 2: not going to do it. We're not going to authorize it. Actually,
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Speaker 2: and right now it's being blocked by a court. By
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Speaker 2: the way, we're going to codify that. No Pride, not Trump,
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Speaker 2: not anybody else can do this to make it uncomfortable
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Speaker 2: for Republicans and force them to have to go on
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Speaker 2: the record.
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Speaker 3: When's the last time you saw the administration take a
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Speaker 3: lower court ruling and just say, yep, that's just.
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Speaker 1: Going to be literally ever Right's yes.
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Speaker 2: They were looking for an out because they saw that
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Speaker 2: this was huge backlash, politically unpopular.
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Speaker 3: Apparently Johnson and Thune both went to the White House
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Speaker 3: and were like, this is not happening period. They're like,
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Speaker 3: if this goes before Congress, like it's going to get
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Speaker 3: voted down.
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Speaker 1: So they had that out with the judge.
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Speaker 2: These guys were in Congress on January sixth. So you're
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Speaker 2: talking about not only did I pardon all the insurrection,
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Speaker 2: It's not just you know, the ones who okay, I
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Speaker 2: was trespassing, but the like actual ones who were fighting
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Speaker 2: with cops and beating up you know, and were violent,
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Speaker 2: and these so not only are going to pardon them now,
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Speaker 2: they can receive millions of dollars in compensation, like I
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Speaker 2: guess even for these Republicans who are pretty shameless in
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Speaker 2: most regards and complete sick evans. For that was even like, okay,
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Speaker 2: you've got to be kidding me, how can I possibly
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Speaker 2: defend this? But all of us happened after JD Vance
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Speaker 2: was of course sent out to defend this monstrosity act.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, flag that in our JD block.
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Speaker 3: But a part of the problem, right is with always
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Speaker 3: having to remain so like slavish. The other one is
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Speaker 3: D six up here, let's put it up here on
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Speaker 3: the screen. There was a lot of you know, we
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Speaker 3: didn't have the time covering this. Basically, USCIS put out
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Speaker 3: this new guidance for green card appplicants, saying, if you're
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Speaker 3: in the US and you're applying for a green card,
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Speaker 3: you have to return to your country of origin to
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Speaker 3: apply for said green card. That's if you already here
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Speaker 3: on a visa like H one B visa or some
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Speaker 3: sort of working visa huge outcry.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people were very upset about it.
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Speaker 3: But it appears that they are now seeking to downplay
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Speaker 3: quote the impact and the scope of this change, because
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Speaker 3: initially this would have applied to every single Green card applicant. Well,
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Speaker 3: what they say now is that this appears to dramatically
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Speaker 3: limit the process known as adjustment of status. At the time,
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Speaker 3: they had said someone who's in the US temporarily and
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Speaker 3: wants a Green card must return to their country of origin.
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Speaker 3: But over the weekend, DHS has now issued a statement
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Speaker 3: saying it is far less sweeping, arguing the memo issued
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Speaker 3: last week just restated longstanding law and policy policy will
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Speaker 3: not prevent any alien from obtaining a Green card who
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Speaker 3: legitimately and properly qualify, and the Department said that the
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Speaker 3: guidance will result in some who do not merit the
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Speaker 3: discretionary benefit ultimately applying within the Department of State overseas
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Speaker 3: rather than USCIS in the United States. They didn't issue
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Speaker 3: full scale guidance, But this is a huge walk back
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Speaker 3: from the administration because it's pretty unequivocal that at the
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Speaker 3: time they were like, no, everybody who wants to apply
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Speaker 3: has to leave to apply before they.
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Speaker 1: Can come back in.
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Speaker 3: It reminds me of an additional status that they adjustment
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Speaker 3: that they had made on H one b if.
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Speaker 1: I recall this was months and months ago.
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Speaker 3: By the way, there is a through line here if
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Speaker 3: you're interested for why they back down on this one,
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Speaker 3: and it's called the big tech companies and all of
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Speaker 3: the other businesses who employ many of these people who
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Speaker 3: picked up the phone and were like, hey, this would
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Speaker 3: disrupt my business dramatically. So there's definitely like a cronious
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Speaker 3: story behind it. But nonetheless, you know, when you start
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Speaker 3: to put all of these things together, they are trying
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Speaker 3: their absolute best to avoid bad headlines. I would say
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Speaker 3: on their most vulnerable issues, immigration was here, the weaponization fund.
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Speaker 3: I can't even really think of a major win that
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Speaker 3: they've had in the press now, especially with Iran for
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Speaker 3: weeks and weeks, and this is what you know. I
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Speaker 3: talked about this about w but I remember talking with
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Speaker 3: some people who were real neocons, like and they still
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Speaker 3: believe it, which is insane, But let's put that to
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Speaker 3: the side. And I would be like, you know what
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Speaker 3: went wrong for you guys, And they were like, you
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Speaker 3: know what we didn't realize is that Iraq destroyed not
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Speaker 3: only W's presidency, it destroyed everything.
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Speaker 1: Else that we ever had worked on.
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Speaker 3: Like for the people who were really believed in all
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Speaker 3: the low tax policy and free trade. Again, I don't
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Speaker 3: agree with this, but for them, they were like, you
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Speaker 3: don't understand Iraq killed that because we were all attached,
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Speaker 3: you know, to the same project. It killed the compassionate conservative,
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Speaker 3: It killed the entire w worldview in the GOP. Now,
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Speaker 3: in policy wise, obviously that still continues at least in
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Speaker 3: some form. But for it was not popular and like,
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Speaker 3: that's what I ended up in the twenty.
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Speaker 6: Six We needed to kill all of that.
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Speaker 1: I agreed, but.
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Speaker 3: I'm more just saying for the people who believed in it,
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Speaker 3: they still blame and many of them are bitter about
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Speaker 3: how Iraq destroyed a lot of their project. Again, I'm
10:02
Speaker 3: glad it did, but I think Iran is going to
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Speaker 3: go down in the same way. I really do, because
10:08
Speaker 3: this is an example of how, oh you cared about immigration? Yeah, sorry,
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Speaker 3: they're like, can't be taken any more hits. Whenever it
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Speaker 3: comes to that, oh you cared about you know?
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Speaker 1: What was it? Though?
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Speaker 3: If you're a January sixth guy, and you're like, this
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Speaker 3: is my number one priority. Wote Nope, you just back
10:22
Speaker 3: down on that one, didn't you say? Same with the
10:24
Speaker 3: ball room being a January sixth guy with it. I
10:26
Speaker 3: know some actually I'm serious, I actually know. I know
10:29
Speaker 3: if you who were like who were like the Pardons
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Speaker 3: and all that didn't go far enough and this is
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Speaker 3: the old you know, this is like the one thing
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Speaker 3: that they care about. But you know, if you're one
10:37
Speaker 3: of those people, and again I know some for them,
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Speaker 3: they're furious about this, and I think you were going
10:42
Speaker 3: to see this now for the rest of his presidency,
10:45
Speaker 3: any major project where she once might have been able to,
10:49
Speaker 3: you know, put some political capital behind, actually fight behind
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Speaker 3: Iran has just sucked the air out of all of that,
10:55
Speaker 3: and inflation now will persist, as we just said, for
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Speaker 3: years to come.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look at the same point, I don't want
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Speaker 2: to overstate it has people that he backed in primaries
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Speaker 2: mostly won, although he did also taken a loss in
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Speaker 2: Iowa with his what senate candidate that he got behind
11:11
Speaker 2: or what was the governor candidate? Yet the Fox News
11:14
Speaker 2: now has a poll out that have Democrats winning both
11:17
Speaker 2: the governor and the Senate in Iowa.
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Speaker 6: Same thing.
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Speaker 2: Oh sorry, that was Ohio, Iowa. There's also separate polling
11:24
Speaker 2: a stout Fox News that has Democrats leading for the
11:27
Speaker 2: governor's race. I mean, these are states that have been
11:30
Speaker 2: like sort of written off for years, and this shows
11:34
Speaker 2: you how weak Trump is politically, and that's part of
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Speaker 2: what is fueling some of these retreats that they're having
11:40
Speaker 2: to make. That again, think of in the era when
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Speaker 2: they were rampaging in la and then in Minneapolis and whatever.
11:46
Speaker 2: Can you imagine them making a major immigration change, and
11:50
Speaker 2: make no mistake about it, forcing all green card applicants
11:54
Speaker 2: to leave the country is a monumental change in immigration policy.
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Speaker 2: But they've made other monumental changes that they have stuck to.
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Speaker 2: Because you're talking about people who are like married to
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Speaker 2: a US citizen and then you're forcing them to go,
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Speaker 2: and then they lose their job, and then are you
12:07
Speaker 2: even going to let them back in when they you know,
12:08
Speaker 2: if they get their green card whatever. But in any case,
12:11
Speaker 2: almost instantly, oh no, no, no, we didn't mean that. Well,
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Speaker 2: the language literally said, in all but extraordinary circumstances, you're
12:18
Speaker 2: going to have to leave the country. And now they're
12:20
Speaker 2: pretending like they never said that, oh, there's no change
12:22
Speaker 2: of policy, Then why do you even put out a
12:24
Speaker 2: memo if it's just the same policy going forward. It
12:26
Speaker 2: was a retreat, and there's another significant immigration one. You know,
12:29
Speaker 2: I think we can all tell not that the not
12:31
Speaker 2: that the immigration enforcement is like, you know, kind and
12:35
Speaker 2: gentle now and that it's you know, gone back to
12:38
Speaker 2: you know, the sort of enforcement that I would want
12:40
Speaker 2: to see focusing on violent criminals. But we also aren't
12:43
Speaker 2: having National Guard and massive deployments and the sort of
12:47
Speaker 2: insanity that we saw during the winter months in Minnesota.
12:51
Speaker 2: They put Mark Wayne Mullen in charge. Now he's clearly
12:53
Speaker 2: taking a different approach, and part of that is put
12:56
Speaker 2: D seven up on the streets. It's another extraordinary change.
12:59
Speaker 2: All of those not all, some of the mega warehouses
13:03
Speaker 2: that were purchased for immigration mass detention they are now
13:08
Speaker 2: looking to sell. And that is a clear indication that
13:12
Speaker 2: they are just not planning to hold in detention nearly
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Speaker 2: as many immigrants as had been originally planned under Christy Noam.
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Speaker 2: And some of this has been there's been real local backlash.
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Speaker 6: You can imagine.
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Speaker 2: Some of these are our rural communities that presumably voted
13:27
Speaker 2: for Trump, but they're small towns that are like, we
13:30
Speaker 2: don't want our population to be massesly searched, and this
13:32
Speaker 2: is going to be a huge burden on all of
13:34
Speaker 2: our infrastructure or water treatment plants, et cetera. So there's
13:37
Speaker 2: been local backlash. And then the other question to watch
13:40
Speaker 2: for all of this is apparently there's an inspector General
13:42
Speaker 2: that is looking into the price that was paid for
13:44
Speaker 2: these places, which appear to have been in certain instances
13:48
Speaker 2: vastly over market values. So there may have been some
13:51
Speaker 2: corrupt dealings here as well in terms of the purchase
13:53
Speaker 2: of these facilities, but in any case, corrupt, I know
13:56
Speaker 2: this administration corrupt dealings.
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Speaker 1: I know it's for season in different case.
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Speaker 2: Well, no, she's in the stame category as many of
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Speaker 2: these people.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's been in quarter Bill for ads to
14:08
Speaker 3: make yourself look like Barbie and Fox News is pretty
14:11
Speaker 3: pretty cool.
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Speaker 2: Well, we're about to get to Jared Nevonka and what's
14:13
Speaker 2: going on with them. So I think she fit in
14:16
Speaker 2: until Trump decided.
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Speaker 1: I think Iran.
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Speaker 3: I think Iran is, Yeah, it's just gonna suck it all. Look,
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Speaker 3: it's very very w similar, but I shouldn't say that
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Speaker 3: because Trump was already unpopular, you know, even before going
14:26
Speaker 3: into all of this. Epstein was a huge jump off moment. Yeah,
14:30
Speaker 3: you could say the podcasters and all that stuff don't matter. Sorry,
14:33
Speaker 3: I don't buy it actually at all. There's even you know,
14:36
Speaker 3: general conversation out within the real mag of people who
14:39
Speaker 3: are like, yeah, the vibe shift is over, So what
14:41
Speaker 3: do we do about that? Because that was the real
14:43
Speaker 3: only cultural moment, you know, that we had and now
14:46
Speaker 3: it's basically gone. So I think you can you can
14:49
Speaker 3: really look at a lot of this and I will certainly.
14:51
Speaker 3: I think Iran was the nail in the coffin for
14:54
Speaker 3: public opinion and will just like with w it will
14:58
Speaker 3: bleed into all. And what's so crazy is that there
15:01
Speaker 3: are so many people at the highest levels of the
15:04
Speaker 3: US government who I have spoken to about this exactly
15:08
Speaker 3: in reference to the Iraq War and why we should
15:11
Speaker 3: never do something like it again to make sure that
15:14
Speaker 3: a domestic political project which everybody believed in doesn't get overrun,
15:18
Speaker 3: and then that literally happens under Trump.
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Speaker 1: You can't even make this shit up. Yeah, I should
15:23
Speaker 1: write book about it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, another failed, disastrous Middle East war. This one in
15:27
Speaker 2: certain in certain ways, not in the death count, but
15:30
Speaker 2: in terms of the impact on the US more disastrous,
15:34
Speaker 2: I think than the Iraq War undoubtedly at this point.
15:37
Speaker 2: And so you know, obviously a lot of uncertainty about it.
15:40
Speaker 2: Will there be a deal done? Will this sort of
15:42
Speaker 2: status quo just stumble on with high oil prices and
15:45
Speaker 2: gas prices indefinitely until it becomes untenable when we go
15:49
Speaker 2: back to hot war, And I think any of that
15:51
Speaker 2: is on the table. But in terms of Trump's presidency,
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Speaker 2: the damage is already.
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Speaker 3: I think it's biden esque. Biden was cooked by Fghanistan. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: that's when it switched there. Genuinely was no coming back
16:03
Speaker 3: from it his entirety. You remember, even with the midterms
16:06
Speaker 3: and all that he was he sucked. What did Favro
16:09
Speaker 3: say that Biden was losing New Mexico by.
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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four?
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Speaker 6: Yes, or it was like in doubt at.
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Speaker 3: Least that's basically kind of where once the inflation kicked
16:19
Speaker 3: in and it was baked in and they clearly had
16:21
Speaker 3: no plan, did not just plan, they had no actionable
16:24
Speaker 3: things that they could do about it. Yeah, and then
16:26
Speaker 3: same with gas as well as the raging conflict with
16:30
Speaker 3: Era with Ukraine, and then October seventh, Pour gas on
16:34
Speaker 3: that it was over well.
16:35
Speaker 2: And here's the thing, last comment on this. I think
16:37
Speaker 2: Trump is right to suspect that if he does the
16:42
Speaker 2: deal that's on the table right now with Iran, that
16:44
Speaker 2: will require dramatic concessions and acknowledgment of that loss, which
16:48
Speaker 2: is what happened in Afghanistan was an acknowledgment of the
16:51
Speaker 2: failure of US policy in Afghanistan. If he has to
16:55
Speaker 2: take that loss, it is going to get worse for
16:57
Speaker 2: him because right now he at least has like the
16:59
Speaker 2: bocoms in there. If he you know, if Iron's assets
17:03
Speaker 2: are unfrozen and the sanctions are lifted and they have
17:05
Speaker 2: control over the Strait of Hormuz and we're basically like
17:08
Speaker 2: leaving the Middle East with our tailtalk between our legs.
17:11
Speaker 2: They are not going to hold back because they were
17:13
Speaker 2: not really they were not core believers in the MAGA
17:16
Speaker 2: project to begin with, so they're going to turn as well.
17:21
Speaker 2: And you know, the numbers are only going to continue
17:23
Speaker 2: to go south once he has to reckon with that failure.
17:27
Speaker 6: But don't tell him that.
17:28
Speaker 2: Let's go with the Joe kenln You will be seen
17:30
Speaker 2: as a great leader, sir, if you're able to extricate us.
17:33
Speaker 2: I'm not not exactly, but you know that's the way
17:35
Speaker 2: his approach is, like, only Trump is strong enough to
17:38
Speaker 2: make the deal that's required to get out of this,
17:40
Speaker 2: and then everybody is going to love him again.
17:42
Speaker 6: Let's go with that one.
17:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get to the island.
17:48
Speaker 2: If there's one thing that I personally love about the
17:51
Speaker 2: Trump administration, it's the way that a whole cavalcade of
17:54
Speaker 2: billionaires and Nepo babies are able to live out their
17:58
Speaker 2: fondest wishes, dreams and designs. And so in that spirit,
18:01
Speaker 2: I want to bring to you Ivanka Trump and her
18:04
Speaker 2: husband Jared Kushner have apparently stumbled upon this private island
18:09
Speaker 2: in the Mediterranean part of Albania that is just their
18:13
Speaker 2: dream come true. And Ivanka is able to achieve exactly
18:18
Speaker 2: what she wants by their acquisition of this large private
18:23
Speaker 2: island in the Mediterranean. Let's go ahead and listen to
18:25
Speaker 2: her talking about this dream fulfillment and really culmination of
18:29
Speaker 2: all of her skills and talents coming together in this project.
18:33
Speaker 8: I'm working on an incredible project with my husband in
18:37
Speaker 8: the Mediterranean it's massive in scale.
18:40
Speaker 1: I think that's an understatement. It is. There's no power
18:44
Speaker 1: on this island. You're building, You're building everything from scratch.
18:48
Speaker 8: It's an unbelievable, beautiful, fourteen hundred hector private island in
18:52
Speaker 8: the middle of the Mediterranean. We were on a friend's
18:55
Speaker 8: boat and we stopped for a swim. Effectively, that's how
18:58
Speaker 8: we found it. Wham to the islands. We went on
19:01
Speaker 8: a hike barefoot all the way up to the top,
19:04
Speaker 8: and we were just captivated. And it stayed with us
19:08
Speaker 8: ever since, and over the course of many years we
19:13
Speaker 8: developed the opportunity to help realize its potential and transform it,
19:18
Speaker 8: but with a lot of restraint and care, because the
19:21
Speaker 8: land is so beautiful that really the architecture has to
19:25
Speaker 8: be fully integrated into it, almost rise from it. You know,
19:29
Speaker 8: it's not even a business for me, despite the scale
19:31
Speaker 8: of it. Not only the island, but we have five
19:35
Speaker 8: miles of beachfront directly across from the island, this beautiful
19:38
Speaker 8: peninsula with a lagoon on one side, the ocean on
19:41
Speaker 8: the other, beautiful white sand beaches. For me, this is
19:45
Speaker 8: it feels more like a challenge than anything else. The
19:48
Speaker 8: culmination of all of my experience in real estate, all
19:53
Speaker 8: of my travel, a lot of reflection on how I
19:57
Speaker 8: want to live, how I think people increasingly are wanting
20:02
Speaker 8: to live.
20:03
Speaker 2: So apparently how she increasingly wants to live is on
20:06
Speaker 2: a private island, and she thinks this is increasingly how.
20:08
Speaker 1: I too, I want to live.
20:10
Speaker 6: Yeah, it sounds nice, let's be nice.
20:12
Speaker 1: I can I get in? Actually I'm joking. I don't
20:14
Speaker 1: want to live on a private island in Albania. Sorry,
20:17
Speaker 1: I'm not leaving.
20:18
Speaker 6: I'm sure it's beautiful.
20:18
Speaker 1: This is my country. I'm not going on.
20:20
Speaker 6: I'll get to it in a moment.
20:21
Speaker 2: The Albanian people are furious about all of their mass
20:24
Speaker 2: protests going on. They're like firebombing politicians houses and I
20:28
Speaker 2: mean it's like really really heat it up because they're
20:32
Speaker 2: pissed off about what appears to be corrupt dealings with
20:35
Speaker 2: regard to her acquisition of this. They feel this island
20:38
Speaker 2: is a public asset that is now they did some
20:41
Speaker 2: you know, quick changes to make it possible for them
20:43
Speaker 2: to buy it. There's all kinds of shady figures that
20:46
Speaker 2: appear to be involved. There's questions about who even owns
20:50
Speaker 2: the land and how it was able to be acquired.
20:52
Speaker 2: Before I get to all of that, though, let's go
20:54
Speaker 2: ahead and take a listen to Jared Kushner talking about
20:57
Speaker 2: this same same island deal because.
21:00
Speaker 6: Ivanka her story.
21:02
Speaker 2: Oh, we were on a friend's boat and then we
21:04
Speaker 2: just we went swimming and we found this island. This
21:07
Speaker 2: is like very European settler.
21:10
Speaker 6: Colonial coded, right. We found the America and we discovered it.
21:14
Speaker 8: Right.
21:14
Speaker 2: In any case, here's Kushner identifying whose boat they were
21:18
Speaker 2: actually on and how this all went down to enable
21:21
Speaker 2: them to fulfill their wishes and dreams with regards as
21:24
Speaker 2: private island.
21:24
Speaker 6: Let's take a listen to that.
21:25
Speaker 7: I was on a vacation after we left government in
21:29
Speaker 7: the summer of twenty twenty one.
21:30
Speaker 1: We were on our friend net Rothschild's boat.
21:33
Speaker 7: We got picked up in Montenegro and then we started
21:35
Speaker 7: sailing over to Corfu and we spent a couple of
21:38
Speaker 7: days in Albania. One of the nights there, Prime Minister
21:41
Speaker 7: Rama came to the boat. I had not met him
21:43
Speaker 7: when I was in government, but I was very very
21:46
Speaker 7: impressed with his vision for what he wanted to do
21:48
Speaker 7: with Albania. I really didn't know anything about the country.
21:52
Speaker 7: I didn't understand the history and the darkness of the
21:55
Speaker 7: history with the communism and the terrible leadership actually led
21:58
Speaker 7: to it being fully undeveloped as a nation.
22:01
Speaker 1: But Eddie came in.
22:01
Speaker 7: He has One of the cool things I was attracted
22:04
Speaker 7: to is the fact that he seemed like a very
22:06
Speaker 7: skilled politician, is a very strong and smart leader. But
22:10
Speaker 7: also the fact that he was an artist. I thought
22:12
Speaker 7: it would be very cool to see what a country
22:15
Speaker 7: really led and built by an artist could be.
22:18
Speaker 2: So slightly it'st different story there from Jared. So first
22:21
Speaker 2: of all, it's apparently not Rothschild's boat, which we can
22:23
Speaker 2: run this slideshow of this mega what do they call
22:27
Speaker 2: the mega yachts, like one hundred and eighty million dollars.
22:30
Speaker 2: You can see it here. You've got the heliport, you've
22:32
Speaker 2: got the library, all the things that you would that
22:35
Speaker 2: one would expect on their friend's boat. Okay, so they're
22:38
Speaker 2: on Nat Rothschild's boat, and then the Prime Minister joins
22:42
Speaker 2: them to talk about how amazing Albania is, and then
22:46
Speaker 2: law and behold.
22:47
Speaker 6: They do this deal to acquire this.
22:49
Speaker 2: Island, and let's go ahead and put E six up
22:53
Speaker 2: on the screen to show you some of the backstory here.
22:57
Speaker 2: So there had to be a change made to the
23:00
Speaker 2: status of the island in order for this acquisition to
23:04
Speaker 2: be made, and lo and behold Zager. The timing on
23:07
Speaker 2: this is really very special for Avonka and Jared. Right
23:11
Speaker 2: after Avanka's father was an inaugurated president is when that
23:15
Speaker 2: change in status was made by the Prime Minister so
23:18
Speaker 2: that they could acquire this island. And I just think
23:20
Speaker 2: that is I think fate coming together for them to
23:23
Speaker 2: bless this acquisition. Is what that looks like to me
23:27
Speaker 2: In any case, some people in Albania for some reason,
23:31
Speaker 2: but if wre up on the screen not super excited
23:34
Speaker 2: about this deal and the selling off of this island.
23:38
Speaker 2: This actually is pretty horrifying. You could see here this
23:41
Speaker 2: is a protester who was assaulted in being dragged by
23:44
Speaker 2: private security guards. They're already and this is on the island.
23:48
Speaker 2: There already were protests that were ongoing at this point,
23:51
Speaker 2: and then the revelation of this video just shocked the public.
23:55
Speaker 2: And so as you can imagine, the protests have only
23:57
Speaker 2: escalated since these private security guards drag this protest to
24:02
Speaker 2: the cops were apparently standing by just watching this as this.
24:05
Speaker 3: Occurred, Albanian Prime minister responds, it is very important we
24:08
Speaker 3: remain welcoming, we remain fair. Under no circumstances do we
24:12
Speaker 3: receive the stigma of being a country where investors are
24:14
Speaker 3: met with hostility. There's absolutely no chance that the investment
24:17
Speaker 3: will stop as long as I am here. The Albanian
24:20
Speaker 3: government has also previously defended the development as in compliance
24:22
Speaker 3: with environmental rules. Developers have also said they intend to
24:26
Speaker 3: move forward with the project. Our focus remains on responsible stewardship,
24:30
Speaker 3: environmental enhancement, job creation and creating.
24:32
Speaker 1: Long term value for local communities.
24:34
Speaker 3: We respect the ongoing public institutional process, the chairman of
24:37
Speaker 3: the development person said to Reuters.
24:40
Speaker 1: So that's the status. I mean, who amongstuff has not
24:42
Speaker 1: been on.
24:42
Speaker 3: A Rothschild meggiacht and then gotten in for a swhim
24:46
Speaker 3: after talking to a prime minister to go to an
24:48
Speaker 3: island to buy said island and also be related the
24:52
Speaker 3: daughter and son in law of the President of the
24:54
Speaker 3: United It's very normal, very relatable story. I will say,
24:58
Speaker 3: you know, on the Rothschild front, this is the one
25:00
Speaker 3: where will it remains to me the most one of
25:04
Speaker 3: the most important Epstein stories. With no additional reporting that
25:07
Speaker 3: has come out that email, which I flagged consistently at
25:11
Speaker 3: the time where the remember this is the Roschel family
25:15
Speaker 3: is large.
25:15
Speaker 1: They're talking about Nathaniel Rothschild.
25:16
Speaker 3: I believe he's like a hereditary heir in the British Parliament.
25:20
Speaker 3: But obviously they're all part of the same family, and
25:22
Speaker 3: there's different branches of this. This one relates to the
25:24
Speaker 3: Swiss family, although Nathaniel Rothschild's name, if I remember, was
25:27
Speaker 3: in the Epstein Black Book. So this remember where Arianda
25:32
Speaker 3: Rothschild hired Epstein to negotiate that settlement with the Department
25:36
Speaker 3: of Justice regarding the EDMONDU Rothschild bank in Switzerland, where
25:40
Speaker 3: they actually paid Epstein almost as much as the fee
25:44
Speaker 3: that they ended up settling with the Department of Justice,
25:47
Speaker 3: and it was like fifteen if I remember, it was
25:48
Speaker 3: like twenty five million for Epstein and an additional ten
25:51
Speaker 3: million for that woman Kathy Rumler, who was the General
25:54
Speaker 3: Council at Goldman and also previously was a Deputy White House.
25:57
Speaker 1: Council under Obama.
25:59
Speaker 3: And then it was settled either with Loretta Lynch or
26:02
Speaker 3: with Eric Holder at the Obama Justice Department. To this day,
26:05
Speaker 3: Nobody has any idea why that why they paid Epstein
26:09
Speaker 3: that large amount of money to negotiate the deal, or
26:12
Speaker 3: what discussions he ever had with any of those senior
26:15
Speaker 3: people over at DOJ.
26:16
Speaker 1: That's all we know.
26:17
Speaker 3: And then they actually clawed back some of that settlement
26:20
Speaker 3: later on.
26:20
Speaker 1: Just so you're all clear.
26:21
Speaker 2: So Nat Rothschild this is according to the AI on Google. Okay,
26:27
Speaker 2: they say he has not been publicly linked to Epstein. However,
26:31
Speaker 2: his ex wife, the late British socialite and Ladies of
26:35
Speaker 2: London star was Annabel Nielsen, was deeply intertwined with him.
26:40
Speaker 2: The DOJ document release revealed numerous emails between them. She
26:44
Speaker 2: referred to Epstein as babe and honey and offered to quote,
26:47
Speaker 2: put a little group of girls together for him when
26:50
Speaker 2: he's in Europe. So anyway, not necessarily him, but the
26:54
Speaker 2: ex wife seems to have been tied in. In any case,
26:57
Speaker 2: I just want to show some of these video of
26:59
Speaker 2: the protests in Albedia just so you can get a
27:01
Speaker 2: sense of the size and scope. I believe this is
27:04
Speaker 2: E five that we have vio of the protests, which
27:07
Speaker 2: again with multi day long, thousands of people in the streets,
27:11
Speaker 2: you know, not that large of a country here, so
27:13
Speaker 2: people pretty upset about the about this change in status
27:17
Speaker 2: and selling off of their resources for this mega luxury
27:21
Speaker 2: resort that is being planned by Jared Ivanka. I also
27:25
Speaker 2: think there's there was another deal in I think it
27:29
Speaker 2: was in Bosnia nearby that fell apart for similar reasons
27:33
Speaker 2: because there was such a big uproar against.
27:37
Speaker 6: The Trump name.
27:38
Speaker 2: And so I don't know if they've really grappled with
27:41
Speaker 2: how much people have discussed for them, both here and
27:44
Speaker 2: around the world. Like I think they're kind of cut
27:46
Speaker 2: off from reality of how much antipathy and horror there
27:51
Speaker 2: is that the idea of like this becoming and the
27:53
Speaker 2: Albanians are calling it quote unquote Trump Island. Let me
27:57
Speaker 2: put the last piece here up on the screen. I
27:59
Speaker 2: don't know this is E eight. I don't know if
28:01
Speaker 2: these two stories are related, but they might be related.
28:04
Speaker 2: And like you wanting to get the Weaponization Fund into
28:07
Speaker 2: the show, I've been wanting to get this into the show.
28:09
Speaker 2: Peter Thiel, who is major backer of JD Vance, seems
28:12
Speaker 2: like his political project has sort of come to fruition yere.
28:15
Speaker 2: You know, some of the companies they invested in are
28:18
Speaker 2: very and helped to found are very influential in this administration.
28:21
Speaker 2: He's got a bunch of his politicians who are now
28:23
Speaker 2: in office, including Jadie Vance, who may well be the
28:26
Speaker 2: heir apparent to Donald trumpel though there's now some question
28:29
Speaker 2: about that.
28:29
Speaker 6: Apparently.
28:30
Speaker 2: In any case, right at that moment when it all
28:32
Speaker 2: seems to be come together for him, he is leaving
28:34
Speaker 2: the United States and he is decamping to Argentina, which
28:38
Speaker 2: is raising a lot of questions about why. One of
28:42
Speaker 2: the things people are pointing to is this potential billionaire
28:45
Speaker 2: at tax in California, which would be pennies. I mean,
28:48
Speaker 2: it would be minuscule in terms of his net worth,
28:52
Speaker 2: the amount that he would have to pay into this.
28:53
Speaker 2: So I'm not buying that whatsoever. And in any case,
28:56
Speaker 2: he didn't have to flee the country. He could have
28:58
Speaker 2: just left for well, he's whatever.
29:00
Speaker 1: You know, He's addressed that before. He said there's a
29:03
Speaker 1: segment of.
29:04
Speaker 3: Him on Rogan talking about how he couldn't decide if
29:07
Speaker 3: he should leave California, if he should.
29:08
Speaker 1: Leave the US.
29:09
Speaker 6: Oh really, what do you say?
29:10
Speaker 1: It's very teal esque.
29:12
Speaker 3: And there's about ninety thousand ums that are in the
29:15
Speaker 3: comp the general thesis was, if I'm going to leave California,
29:19
Speaker 3: there's no reason that I shouldn't just leave the United
29:20
Speaker 3: States because it's going to be the same problem he's Look,
29:23
Speaker 3: the billionaire tax is an excuse. It's basically like he
29:26
Speaker 3: thinks there's like failed governance.
29:28
Speaker 1: I don't know why would go to Argent failed governance?
29:31
Speaker 2: Like you're the guy who helped to put this government
29:33
Speaker 2: in place, yes, so.
29:35
Speaker 3: You know, Look, he's an eccentric, hyper techno libertarian. These
29:40
Speaker 3: people effectively live lives of teleportation, like whenever it comes
29:44
Speaker 3: to their private jet.
29:46
Speaker 1: There's that book I'm totally blank on the name.
29:49
Speaker 3: Ryan Holliday wrote it Conspiracy. This is off the top
29:52
Speaker 3: of my head, it's about the Gawker case. But I
29:55
Speaker 3: remember reading that and I was like, this is an insane,
29:57
Speaker 3: insane way where it's like every place that teal is
30:00
Speaker 3: that he has a car which is idling twenty four
30:03
Speaker 3: hours a day in case that he wants to get
30:05
Speaker 3: in said car, and then a jet which is on standby.
30:09
Speaker 3: I mean he lives on multiple continents between the U
30:11
Speaker 3: and he's got houses all over the globe, houses in Miami,
30:15
Speaker 3: Los Angeles. I think he has new Zealand citizenship. Yeah,
30:19
Speaker 3: and he's got a bunker out there. I'm pretty sure
30:21
Speaker 3: he's got another citizenship too on top of that.
30:23
Speaker 1: Really, I'm pretty sure.
30:24
Speaker 3: Isn't he even German? I think he's German, so he's
30:27
Speaker 3: got like three passports. I just I wouldn't take it
30:30
Speaker 3: as like some denunciation necessarily.
30:32
Speaker 2: I'm not taking it as a denunciation. I'm taking it, well,
30:35
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm taking it as. But some
30:37
Speaker 2: are saying that here's a guy who is at the
30:40
Speaker 2: forefront the bleeding edge of AI okay development. So one
30:45
Speaker 2: possibility is he's looking at this and it's like this
30:48
Speaker 2: may not work out well.
30:49
Speaker 1: Now.
30:49
Speaker 2: To your point, him and a bunch of these other
30:51
Speaker 2: all gark billionaires have already been in their doomsday mode
30:55
Speaker 2: for quite a while.
30:57
Speaker 6: I think is part of.
30:58
Speaker 2: The like the the nihilism that has allowed them to
31:02
Speaker 2: fling themselves wholeheartedly into AI development, even though many of
31:07
Speaker 2: them know that there is a significant possibility that it
31:10
Speaker 2: certainly destroys society, if not all of humankind. You know,
31:14
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys would talk openly about how
31:16
Speaker 2: they think that it's not one hundred percent but some
31:18
Speaker 2: significant possibility that continuing this direction will literally lead to
31:22
Speaker 2: the end of humankind, which til when he was asked
31:25
Speaker 2: about whether he cares whether humankind persists or not. When
31:29
Speaker 2: Rosstautad asked him, that he was a little unsure. So
31:32
Speaker 2: that's discomforting. So you have that. Another possibility is that,
31:36
Speaker 2: you know, he sees the political trends, things that are
31:38
Speaker 2: going to be like broad sort of not necessarily civil war,
31:41
Speaker 2: but societal collapse here because of how divided the country
31:44
Speaker 2: is and how dysfunctional, et cetera. The other possibility is
31:48
Speaker 2: that he sees that there's massive political backlash to the
31:52
Speaker 2: Trump administration, is like, let me get out of here
31:55
Speaker 2: before the heat gets too hot, because people are gonna
31:57
Speaker 2: be furious at anyone who was associated with what's going
32:00
Speaker 2: on here. And the other possibility is just that you know,
32:03
Speaker 2: he he is very tied in with Abby er Malay
32:06
Speaker 2: and Argentina. They'll basically let him do whatever he wants
32:09
Speaker 2: with this like networked state, or he can basically like
32:12
Speaker 2: be his own little emperor in his own little city
32:14
Speaker 2: state there and so he can live out his tech
32:17
Speaker 2: god dreams. But all I'm saying is I think it's
32:20
Speaker 2: noteworthy that both the president's daughter and Peter Teel are
32:24
Speaker 2: both like, you know.
32:25
Speaker 6: What, private island type life. That seems like the direction.
32:27
Speaker 3: I think it's all the above what you just said
32:29
Speaker 3: with Look, he's always been a doomer whenever it came
32:33
Speaker 3: to American politics, I will say, I mean, in some
32:35
Speaker 3: it was incredibly insightful. There's a book, George Packer, Unwinding
32:40
Speaker 3: That's what it's I think, has written. In twenty thirteen
32:42
Speaker 3: he interviews Teal. I think about this a lot because
32:44
Speaker 3: he's one of the only people in public life who
32:46
Speaker 3: would say it. He said, I think the next president
32:47
Speaker 3: of the United States will articulate American decline, where the
32:50
Speaker 3: entire story of American politics is that they're always trying
32:53
Speaker 3: to articulate a story of American progress. And if this
32:57
Speaker 3: was before Trump came on the scene, came down the
32:59
Speaker 3: escal it was one of the main reasons why back
33:01
Speaker 3: Trump in two thousand and fifteen. I want to say
33:03
Speaker 3: it was one of the first people the major like
33:05
Speaker 3: industrialists or not oligarchs or whatever, to support Trump is
33:09
Speaker 3: because he was like, no, I think that the country
33:11
Speaker 3: is going downhill, and so this has kind of been
33:13
Speaker 3: his vision of the US now.
33:15
Speaker 1: For some time.
33:16
Speaker 3: It combines with the technolibertarian dream for Argentina and for Malay.
33:21
Speaker 3: My take, though, if I were to ever talk with
33:23
Speaker 3: these people is how would you bet on the political
33:25
Speaker 3: stability of Latin America Argentina fascist dictatorship to socialists to
33:31
Speaker 3: libertarian I'm like, yeah, that's not a very stable political snay.
33:35
Speaker 6: The World Bank, yes, really get that problem.
33:37
Speaker 3: They cut their hands out to the United States, to
33:39
Speaker 3: the World Bank, their own population, you know.
33:42
Speaker 1: I mean, look, they changed their minds all the time.
33:44
Speaker 3: Their modern government artifice as again as I understand, it
33:47
Speaker 3: is only a few decades old, Like they had a
33:50
Speaker 3: dictatorship in living memory, you know, like people alive who
33:54
Speaker 3: were like fifty in Argentina spent most of their lives
33:57
Speaker 3: under a dictatorship as opposed to this hyperinflation.
34:00
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the country that you would bet
34:01
Speaker 2: on if they reverted back to the tat Like, he's
34:04
Speaker 2: not afraid of a dictatorship as long as he's in
34:06
Speaker 2: good with the leader of said dictatorship.
34:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what's the story of that is that, oh
34:10
Speaker 3: they get overthrown like pretty quickly and violent revolution. Like
34:13
Speaker 3: why would you ever bet your political future on that one.
34:17
Speaker 3: I also, again with just some limited personal knowledge, he's
34:19
Speaker 3: a weird guy.
34:20
Speaker 1: Okay.
34:20
Speaker 3: People were obsessed with Antichrist and teleportation. Literally we're like
34:25
Speaker 3: going all over the world and you know, being spotted
34:28
Speaker 3: at chess clubs and reading books about obscure christian the out.
34:33
Speaker 1: They're not normal people, all right.
34:35
Speaker 3: So and that's where sometimes you shouldn't read. You know,
34:38
Speaker 3: sometimes there's like an easy political answer, and there's also
34:41
Speaker 3: like sometimes you have a one eighty two IQ and
34:43
Speaker 3: you're just freak.
34:44
Speaker 2: The other thing is if it was related to like
34:47
Speaker 2: the impending AI apocalypse, I don't know why you would
34:50
Speaker 2: think that. Archie and I'm something that he you know,
34:53
Speaker 2: can put that together.
34:53
Speaker 1: But who knows.
34:54
Speaker 6: Who knows?
34:55
Speaker 3: If I had to flee anywhere, I mean, he's a
34:56
Speaker 3: New Zealand citizen, that's where I would go.
34:58
Speaker 1: It's the most beautiful place. They got a lot of
35:01
Speaker 1: they got a lot.
35:02
Speaker 3: Of nice natural resources, small population, it's isolated from the
35:06
Speaker 3: rest of the world.
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Speaker 1: It seems like a cool place. I would love to go.
35:09
Speaker 3: By the way, New Zealand. I hope you let me in.
35:10
Speaker 3: All right, Let's get to Ken Clippenstein. He's standing by.
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Speaker 2: So there is a mystery that I've been tracking rather
35:18
Speaker 2: closely of this new Jersey congressman named Tom Keane, who
35:22
Speaker 2: has been missing for over three months. At this point,
35:25
Speaker 2: Mike Johnson says he's working remotely. We have no information
35:28
Speaker 2: about what's going on other than it's some sort of
35:30
Speaker 2: a health issue.
35:31
Speaker 6: So to speak.
35:32
Speaker 2: To this and many other instances of a lack of
35:36
Speaker 2: transparency with regard to health issues or are rapidly aging
35:40
Speaker 2: political class. Here in DC, we have the nation's foremost
35:44
Speaker 2: expert on such matters, independent journalists Ken Clippenstein, and he
35:48
Speaker 2: joins us now.
35:48
Speaker 6: Great to see you, Ken, Hey, guys, good to be back.
35:51
Speaker 2: Shout out to your substack, everybody, go and subscribe for
35:54
Speaker 2: Ken's reporting on this and many other important matters. I
35:57
Speaker 2: wanted to start with the President of the United States
35:59
Speaker 2: because we're going to to gate the dearontogracy here in America.
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Speaker 6: Obviously, let's start at the top.
36:04
Speaker 2: Yesterday, there was quite a remarkable moment where tedlu for
36:06
Speaker 2: about six minutes just grilled Marco Rubio on Trump falling
36:11
Speaker 2: asleep in meetings, which he now does all the time.
36:13
Speaker 2: Like as a matter of course, it is rare that
36:15
Speaker 2: you have some lengthy White House meeting that doesn't end
36:19
Speaker 2: up with Trump like hitting rem sleep in front of everyone,
36:22
Speaker 2: everyone just pretending not to notice. So let's go ahead
36:24
Speaker 2: and take a listen to a little bit of this exchange.
36:27
Speaker 2: It starts off with tedlu playing a clip for Marco
36:30
Speaker 2: Rubio where Trump is obviously falling asleep next to him.
36:33
Speaker 1: Let's look and.
36:34
Speaker 9: What American farmers grow and produce has a fair shot
36:37
Speaker 9: to be sold around the world on an issue after issue.
36:40
Speaker 1: That's been the case. You talk about foreign eight reforms.
36:43
Speaker 9: This is not our money, this is taxpayer money.
36:46
Speaker 10: Sector Rubio, have you been at more than one meeting
36:50
Speaker 10: where President Trump has fallen asleep? That's false, that's false.
36:55
Speaker 10: I've never seen him fall asleep.
36:56
Speaker 9: On the contrary, the guy doesn't sleep, which is a
36:58
Speaker 9: big problem because he calls me at two.
36:59
Speaker 1: In the morning.
37:00
Speaker 9: He calls me at five in the morning, and you know,
37:02
Speaker 9: I like to sleep a little bit, maybe not twelve
37:04
Speaker 9: hours or at.
37:05
Speaker 1: Least six, so pee works. The other day he was
37:07
Speaker 1: at the Oval office in sector will be at twelve
37:10
Speaker 1: thirty am. I don't know what you're talking about.
37:11
Speaker 10: Several I'm going to show you at a moment a
37:15
Speaker 10: video that shows.
37:16
Speaker 1: You just lied to Congress.
37:17
Speaker 10: Oh okay, so this is a video of a cabinet
37:20
Speaker 10: meeting literally from last month, where Donald Trump is sleeping
37:25
Speaker 10: while you're talking.
37:26
Speaker 1: Please show this video.
37:28
Speaker 9: We'll coalition of countries to line up behind the piece deal,
37:31
Speaker 9: behind the boarder piece. And it's still every day is
37:34
Speaker 9: a challenge. But it's been driven personally by the President.
37:37
Speaker 9: It's the reason why we're involved in this whole Ukraine
37:39
Speaker 9: Russia conflict. That's not our Award's not the president's war.
37:42
Speaker 9: This war started. It never would have happened if you've
37:44
Speaker 9: been president. But this war's going on and the president
37:47
Speaker 9: is trying.
37:48
Speaker 1: To end it.
37:49
Speaker 10: You are literally talking about issues of war and peace
37:52
Speaker 10: and Donald Trump is.
37:53
Speaker 1: Sleeping right next to you.
37:56
Speaker 10: If Donald Trump cannot stay awake at these important meetings
38:00
Speaker 10: where the cameras are rolling, imagine what he's like when
38:03
Speaker 10: the cameras are not there. So I'm going to ask you,
38:06
Speaker 10: have you been at classified meetings where Donald Trump has
38:09
Speaker 10: fallen asleep waiting.
38:12
Speaker 9: I've never been in any meeting where're fin and the
38:13
Speaker 9: things you're showing me now he was not falling.
38:15
Speaker 2: Asleep, unbelievable and My favorite part of the second clib
38:18
Speaker 2: is that Trump is like out and then he wakes
38:21
Speaker 2: up and looks at Marco and then he's just like, yeah,
38:23
Speaker 2: I'm going back to the sleep. I mean, it's incredible
38:26
Speaker 2: and this happens all the time, and Rubio has to
38:28
Speaker 2: be the Oh no, I've never seen him fall asleep.
38:30
Speaker 2: That's what you just showed me. That he's not asleep.
38:33
Speaker 2: I think the White House has said this is extended
38:35
Speaker 2: blinking or something like that.
38:36
Speaker 1: Yeah.
38:37
Speaker 11: So President Trump is actually the second oldest president at
38:40
Speaker 11: seventy nine, and on this month, this very month is
38:44
Speaker 11: the occasion of his birthday, and he will become the
38:46
Speaker 11: oldest president in US history. And in addition to that,
38:52
Speaker 11: I assume you guys have seen all the photos of
38:53
Speaker 11: his discoloration on his skin, on his hands, things like that.
38:58
Speaker 11: The White House did announced that he has what's called
39:01
Speaker 11: chronic venous insufficiency, which is like the veins and ability
39:05
Speaker 11: to pump blood to extremities, which in itself is not
39:08
Speaker 11: a life threatening condition, but it's often a consequence of.
39:12
Speaker 1: Another condition that someone has.
39:14
Speaker 11: That's usually something you see that's like related to something else,
39:17
Speaker 11: and that's something else we don't know, it could be
39:20
Speaker 11: something as serious as heart failure, or it could be
39:22
Speaker 11: something less serious. We just don't know because we get
39:25
Speaker 11: these kind of summarized, you know, brief releases from the
39:29
Speaker 11: White House. But it really is an extraordinary moment in
39:32
Speaker 11: American history, not just with you know, Trump being the
39:34
Speaker 11: oldest president later this month, but his predecessor Biden being
39:37
Speaker 11: the oldest president at that time.
39:39
Speaker 1: I mean, this is all really unusual. Yeah.
39:41
Speaker 3: And the thing is, Ken, what you've always been excellent
39:43
Speaker 3: in flagging, is just how bipartisan of a phenomenon this is,
39:47
Speaker 3: and everybody just seems to cover up their own old
39:50
Speaker 3: and decrepit individuals. One of the more recent stunning cases,
39:55
Speaker 3: which this one even isn't necessarily age related, but just
39:57
Speaker 3: shows how they cover up health of public officials is
40:01
Speaker 3: Tom Keane. He's a GOP congressman. He's been missing for
40:04
Speaker 3: literally three months. Nobody knows why. Nobody even knows what
40:08
Speaker 3: is going on. The Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson,
40:11
Speaker 3: just gave us an update yesterday saying is under the
40:13
Speaker 3: care of health care providers. There's no scandal, don't worry.
40:16
Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.
40:18
Speaker 12: I talked to Tom a couple of days ago, maybe yes,
40:21
Speaker 12: maybe Friday or Saturday.
40:24
Speaker 1: He's in good spirits.
40:25
Speaker 12: But as his public statement that went out yesterday explained,
40:28
Speaker 12: he's dealing with a health issue. He's under the care
40:31
Speaker 12: of health care providers and they've told him he leeds
40:33
Speaker 12: it a little bit longer to recover.
40:34
Speaker 4: Now.
40:34
Speaker 12: That's all I can say. That's all he said. It's
40:37
Speaker 12: not a scandalous thing at all. People deal with health issues.
40:40
Speaker 12: Maybe that's the news flash for you, but even members
40:43
Speaker 12: of Congress gets sick as well. Right He's dealing with
40:46
Speaker 12: that right now. Tom Kane is an extraordinary member of Congress.
40:50
Speaker 12: He has delivered for the people of New Jersey. He
40:52
Speaker 12: ran without opposition in the primary yesterday, and he deserved
40:55
Speaker 12: to because he has been a phenomenal member of Congress
40:58
Speaker 12: and a great member of our team. Here comes from
41:00
Speaker 12: a long legacy of public service in his family, as
41:03
Speaker 12: you know, is a famous family.
41:05
Speaker 1: He is going to be back. He'll be back.
41:06
Speaker 12: He's he's working remotely right now, as he explained in
41:09
Speaker 12: a statement yesterday, and he's he's anxious to come back
41:11
Speaker 12: in person and be here voting every single day.
41:13
Speaker 3: So his saw scandals Ken, He's coming back. He's actually
41:17
Speaker 3: working remotely, even though he literally cannot work remotely, like
41:20
Speaker 3: you can't vote remotely.
41:21
Speaker 1: What do we know about this guy? About Tom Kane?
41:24
Speaker 1: Surprisingly little.
41:25
Speaker 11: As you guys know, I cover national security as well,
41:28
Speaker 11: and looking at the story, I realized it is literally
41:31
Speaker 11: easier for me to find out what the Pentagon is
41:33
Speaker 11: doing and planning in like covert operations and things that
41:36
Speaker 11: it is trying to find out what the congressman, like,
41:38
Speaker 11: this is what's happening with him. There was a very
41:42
Speaker 11: mysterious oblique reference in the New York Times where one
41:46
Speaker 11: of his staff someone identified as a staffer of his,
41:49
Speaker 11: uh you know, was asked, okay, like why can't we
41:51
Speaker 11: get a photo or like a proof of life. It
41:53
Speaker 11: was almost like they're talking about bin Laden and where
41:55
Speaker 11: is where is he? And the guy and the guy
41:58
Speaker 11: says something very mysterious. He says, where there are no cameras?
42:01
Speaker 1: Yeah we have that.
42:02
Speaker 3: I don't know what that on the screen. He literally said,
42:05
Speaker 3: where Tom is? There are no cameras? What does that
42:10
Speaker 3: even mean?
42:11
Speaker 1: And I don't know, you know.
42:13
Speaker 3: He also what's so crazy is he won his primary
42:17
Speaker 3: and recently put out a statement went.
42:20
Speaker 1: After the DEMOCRATCS.
42:20
Speaker 3: He won his primaries endorsed by Donald Trump, even though
42:23
Speaker 3: nobody has seen him. We literally have no idea what
42:26
Speaker 3: is going on.
42:26
Speaker 11: Ken, Yeah, and I literally tried to run. I call calls,
42:30
Speaker 11: and I realized it's like this is harder than I'll
42:32
Speaker 11: just go back to National security because I can't figure
42:34
Speaker 11: out what's going on here.
42:36
Speaker 1: And this is one of two people that disappeared.
42:38
Speaker 11: At the same time, there was a Democratic congress woman
42:40
Speaker 11: who disappeared for I think it was a month at
42:42
Speaker 11: that point, and she had undergone eye surgery. To her credit,
42:45
Speaker 11: there was this backlash against I think she's eighty seven
42:48
Speaker 11: or something, and she announced that she won't be running
42:51
Speaker 11: for reelection after this backlash. But there really needs to
42:54
Speaker 11: be a norms update around Congress, because there's at least
42:57
Speaker 11: an expectation that, you know, you have the White House
42:59
Speaker 11: medical physicians, and there's some amount of like they're expected
43:02
Speaker 11: to say something about how stuff like yes not They
43:04
Speaker 11: don't say enough, but there's.
43:06
Speaker 1: Some kind of expectation in Congress.
43:07
Speaker 11: They don't have any reporting requirements your I stuff, and
43:10
Speaker 11: it's like there shouldn't there be something that some guy
43:12
Speaker 11: can't just disappear for two months without even like, shouldn't
43:16
Speaker 11: the constituents have some way to know, Okay, he's gone.
43:19
Speaker 11: Maybe I'm fine with that, but at least we have
43:20
Speaker 11: some idea of what's going on.
43:22
Speaker 2: I mean, another case sort of similar to that is
43:25
Speaker 2: John Fetterman. Like you listen to him speak, he can barely,
43:30
Speaker 2: he can barely put a sentence together.
43:31
Speaker 6: His political views have completely.
43:33
Speaker 2: Shifted, and yet voters are just stuck with this guy
43:36
Speaker 2: who's not remotely what they thought they were getting, and
43:39
Speaker 2: who also is not upfront whatsoever about whatever is going
43:42
Speaker 2: on with him, you know, health wise, et cetera. And
43:45
Speaker 2: so you're right, it's not just like it's not just
43:47
Speaker 2: the elderly. There's also these these various health conditions that
43:51
Speaker 2: get covered up.
43:53
Speaker 6: Wasn't there an issue didn't you? Was it you that uncovered?
43:55
Speaker 2: We had a member of Congress who was literally living
43:57
Speaker 2: in hospice care, unbeknownst to anyone and undisclosed certainly to
44:01
Speaker 2: her constituents.
44:03
Speaker 11: Yeah, she was in a memory care facility in Texas.
44:07
Speaker 11: This was k Granger, and she herself had disappeared for
44:10
Speaker 11: I think a year, and that hadn't even come out,
44:13
Speaker 11: you know, which is a scale in itself that these
44:16
Speaker 11: people can disappear for that long and nobody even notices.
44:18
Speaker 11: And I think to myself, Okay, if there's no discernible
44:21
Speaker 11: difference in the work product when they're gone, what does
44:24
Speaker 11: that tell you about what it is they do? Do
44:26
Speaker 11: they do anything? Is this all just being run on
44:29
Speaker 11: autopilot out of their offices. So there's the gerontocracy issue,
44:34
Speaker 11: and there's a health issue, which of course overlaps with
44:36
Speaker 11: the gerontocracy one, because as you get older it's easier
44:38
Speaker 11: to have health health issues. But what's striking about that
44:42
Speaker 11: is there's been much less attention on the latter case.
44:45
Speaker 11: There's at least some consciousness around I. I've been talking
44:47
Speaker 11: about gerontocracy for years now, and it's getting much easier
44:50
Speaker 11: to talk about now than it was several years ago.
44:52
Speaker 11: That's not the case with the on the health side,
44:55
Speaker 11: Like the Rand Corporation, the Pentagon backed think tank, they
44:59
Speaker 11: actually put out a court a couple of years ago
45:02
Speaker 11: warning and they're.
45:03
Speaker 1: Obviously not an activist outfit.
45:05
Speaker 11: By any means or even really political saying like this
45:08
Speaker 11: is a national security threat. Like we have guys on
45:10
Speaker 11: the Gang of Eight on you know, we have senior
45:12
Speaker 11: intelligence officials read into stuff and like, what is the
45:16
Speaker 11: plan for if they start going a little battie, Like
45:19
Speaker 11: they were just worried about it from a counter intelligence perspective,
45:21
Speaker 11: and they flagged it as a national It was a
45:23
Speaker 11: great report, and it's just funny that it's like it
45:25
Speaker 11: can get to these organs, but it's like hard for
45:29
Speaker 11: washing like kind of media to process.
45:32
Speaker 3: It's very strange, Cam, what are some of the other
45:35
Speaker 3: cases that you found that are just totally insane that
45:37
Speaker 3: our audience may not know.
45:39
Speaker 11: So, so there are five cases of congress members of
45:42
Speaker 11: Congress that died in office this term alone, and we
45:45
Speaker 11: were just talking off camera. Yeah, there was, and prior
45:48
Speaker 11: to that, there were another four in the previous term,
45:51
Speaker 11: I believe, And so all of this is really unusual,
45:53
Speaker 11: the amount of and if you look at the cases,
45:56
Speaker 11: it's like several people that had cancer and then ran
46:00
Speaker 11: for office beforehand, like Jerry Connolly. So it wasn't like
46:04
Speaker 11: it just came out of nowhere. It was clear that
46:06
Speaker 11: they had health issues. Another case was George Scott, a
46:10
Speaker 11: congressman Democratic congressman from or sorry David Scott from Georgia,
46:16
Speaker 11: and he had a run in with media where someone
46:19
Speaker 11: was pushing on in a wheelchair and he started cursing
46:21
Speaker 11: out a reporter for taking a picture of him, like
46:23
Speaker 11: in public, in front of the Congress, and so it
46:26
Speaker 11: was like this open secret that this guy's seen now
46:29
Speaker 11: and then he dies and it's this whole thing of like, oh,
46:31
Speaker 11: so sad. How could anyone have seen this coming? And
46:34
Speaker 11: it was like, I'm not making this up. I just
46:37
Speaker 11: clicked on some of his he was reading from a
46:38
Speaker 11: piece of paper, kind of pausing, looking down. I just
46:42
Speaker 11: watched some of his random videos on his YouTube page,
46:45
Speaker 11: and he one of them was him recalling being at
46:48
Speaker 11: the premiere for the what was the movie?
46:52
Speaker 1: The Charlton Heston movie, the.
46:54
Speaker 11: What is it the like in nineteen fifty, nineteen fifty.
47:01
Speaker 1: Yeah.
47:02
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's like I'm not even digging that far to
47:04
Speaker 11: find this stuff.
47:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, they're counterexamples. Like Bernie still seems very sharp, right,
47:10
Speaker 2: and he just introduced some legislation on AI. So he's
47:13
Speaker 2: like I would say he's probably the best in Congress
47:16
Speaker 2: in terms of understanding the likely impact and thinking of
47:19
Speaker 2: legislative solutions, et cetera. But yeah, I mean overall, as
47:23
Speaker 2: you age, it's going to be a problem for you,
47:25
Speaker 2: both health wise and in terms of your mental state.
47:29
Speaker 2: There's been a lot, I think post Biden, there's been
47:31
Speaker 2: a real public awareness and concern about the aging nature
47:36
Speaker 2: of our politicians. Have you seen that have an impact?
47:40
Speaker 2: I know you mentioned one one congresswoman who said, look,
47:43
Speaker 2: I'm not going to file for reelection. Have you seen
47:46
Speaker 2: more of these people willing to step aside and say, Okay,
47:49
Speaker 2: this is getting ridiculous. Maybe I should go, like spend
47:51
Speaker 2: some time with my grandkids or something and let someone
47:53
Speaker 2: else do this job.
47:54
Speaker 1: Oh definitely.
47:55
Speaker 11: Gary Peters of Michigan released the statement, and they're openly saying, like,
47:59
Speaker 11: you know, I've got to give a chanceance to the
48:00
Speaker 11: next generation to have a shot here because the incumbancy
48:03
Speaker 11: advantage makes it so hard for new blood to come
48:06
Speaker 11: in completely aside from just like the raw number of
48:09
Speaker 11: the age, it's like when someone's had a seat for
48:12
Speaker 11: years and years, it's really hard to let the composition
48:16
Speaker 11: of the Congress change. So he put out a statement
48:18
Speaker 11: saying attributing his not running for reelection to needing to
48:21
Speaker 11: give the next generation a chance. The Illinois Senator Dick
48:28
Speaker 11: Durbin made a similar statement. So we're definitely seeing change,
48:31
Speaker 11: no question, in part because of I think the catastrophe
48:35
Speaker 11: of Biden made it impossible for people to ignore this problem.
48:39
Speaker 11: But it's it's a serious problem in Congress because Congress
48:42
Speaker 11: is not really democratic in the sense of like every
48:45
Speaker 11: member has an equivalent amount of power, like the chairs
48:47
Speaker 11: have enormous amounts of power, and all of the almost
48:50
Speaker 11: all the chairs, particularly on the Democratic side, which literally
48:54
Speaker 11: goes off of They generally go off of seniority in
48:56
Speaker 11: a way that the Republicans don't.
48:58
Speaker 1: Necessarily.
48:59
Speaker 11: That means that you have a bunch of seventy and
49:01
Speaker 11: eighty year olds with like the lion's share of the
49:04
Speaker 11: power in the committee, because if you're just a rank
49:06
Speaker 11: and found member of the committee, you have nothing like
49:08
Speaker 11: the power that the chair, that the chair of ranking
49:10
Speaker 11: member does. So so to me, that's like the big problem.
49:14
Speaker 11: It's like, shouldn't we pick the leaders of these committees
49:17
Speaker 11: based on I mean, maybe it is the oldest person
49:19
Speaker 11: that's the best suited for it, but you know, presumably
49:22
Speaker 11: sometimes that's not the case.
49:23
Speaker 3: I'll tell you, Yeah, seniority system was a disaster and
49:27
Speaker 3: really was one of the worst things about Congress. In fact,
49:30
Speaker 3: it's one of the few good things that GOP did
49:32
Speaker 3: in I think it was in the Tea Party era actually,
49:34
Speaker 3: where they kick the seniority system on their side. But
49:36
Speaker 3: you're absolutely right, seniority is it's just kills any legislative advancement,
49:43
Speaker 3: the generational Well.
49:44
Speaker 11: These guys are in charge of like possy on Internet
49:46
Speaker 11: and it's like an eighty year old like.
49:48
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
49:49
Speaker 2: This is no.
49:50
Speaker 3: The seniority system locked up the United States Congress for
49:53
Speaker 3: almost a fifty year period and it was I mean,
49:56
Speaker 3: if you want, you can read the Master of the
49:57
Speaker 3: Senate book about this. There's several other and the Robert
50:00
Speaker 3: carry articulates it incredibly well about how much progress it
50:03
Speaker 3: actually held up at the time.
50:05
Speaker 1: It really really needs to go. Anything else can before
50:07
Speaker 1: you go.
50:08
Speaker 11: I would just point out that, yeah, there's been a
50:10
Speaker 11: huge change on the age question, and I think the
50:12
Speaker 11: health one is another thing that yes, I hope gets
50:15
Speaker 11: you know, debated more, because obviously there's a balance you
50:18
Speaker 11: have to make between someone's privacy, even a member of Congresses,
50:22
Speaker 11: but there's just nothing in terms of transparency for what
50:25
Speaker 11: the public gets to know.
50:26
Speaker 1: And so I hope that's the next thing.
50:28
Speaker 6: I don't really have that much.
50:30
Speaker 2: If you want your privacy, like go live a private life.
50:33
Speaker 2: You know, people are electing you. I just you know,
50:36
Speaker 2: a level of disclosure would be nice. And kodos to
50:40
Speaker 2: you who sort of shamed Susan Collins into revealing what
50:42
Speaker 2: was going on.
50:43
Speaker 6: With her tremors. So yeah, she says, it's a what
50:47
Speaker 6: is it called?
50:48
Speaker 2: Can it's like a benign some sort of benign trummer.
50:51
Speaker 1: She claims that it's a what is it essential tremor?
50:56
Speaker 11: That's the term for it, which is something that I mean,
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Speaker 11: is a whole no, their complicated issue, but.
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Speaker 1: I'll let the help.
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Speaker 11: And it was crazy because of something that everyone could see.
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Speaker 11: And I was like, I thought, oh, for sure this
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Speaker 11: has been reported before. I literally couldn't find any mention
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Speaker 11: of it anywhere.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it started going viral because in her reelection
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Speaker 2: ad she was like taking shoes out of a box
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Speaker 2: and visibly shaking so much. And if you just watch
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Speaker 2: her and so look, people can evaluate for themselves. But
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Speaker 2: you you know, I should put the information out there's
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Speaker 2: so visibly going on with you what is it so
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Speaker 2: that voters can decide whether this is what they you
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Speaker 2: know what they're seventy three. I thought she was to
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Speaker 2: bring chicken. She's not even one of the oldest ones, Sager.
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Speaker 1: My god, Yeah, she's been in office for thirty years.
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Speaker 1: You're from Maine. It's one of those beautiful states. The
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Speaker 1: license plate for Maine literally says vacation land. Enjoy it.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's like it got just just you know,
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Speaker 1: go buy a lake or whatever.
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Speaker 2: I have a feel I don't get it. She may
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Speaker 2: have that opportunity, so we'll see how it goes. In
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Speaker 2: any case, Ken shout out to your substack. Everybody, go
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