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INTERVIEW: Jerrod Carmichael Clarifies 'Slave-Play' Joke, Tyler The Creator Relationship, Dave Chappelle + More · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning.
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Speaker 2: Everybody is DJ en Vy Jess hilarious, Charlamage the guy.
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Speaker 2: We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest
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Speaker 2: in the building. Yes, indeed we have draw called Michael.
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Speaker 1: I'll be doing your voice in the showers more than
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Speaker 1: everybody's DJ. Like, think about you. Yeah, yeah, you know what.
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Speaker 1: Let's lean into all the gay. Sometimes when I'm naked,
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Speaker 1: I think about DJA. Yes, yes, yes, yes, happy to
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Speaker 1: see you. Happy to see you, bro. So I'm always
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Speaker 1: happy when people come right after donkey of today. Oh
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Speaker 1: my god, let me tell you something. I was responding
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Speaker 1: to you like Monique, like I was in my house
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Speaker 1: just pacing around. Just be like Leonard your mother said
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Speaker 1: about giving me. No, let's talk about that. So there's
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Speaker 1: a couple of things I want to make clear about that.
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Speaker 2: But let's shot off for people that don't know you.
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Speaker 1: People will see the ship. It'll be the video right
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Speaker 1: up next to me in the first coat with the
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Speaker 1: ear rings here today. Whatever. So how you doing first?
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Speaker 1: We'll get to that lady. No, No, you got some
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Speaker 1: ship to settle first.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So Charlamaine gave you donkey to day gave me donkey.
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Speaker 1: No, no, I'm gonna get into it. Okay. So first
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Speaker 1: of all, because the thing I want to clear up
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Speaker 1: and is very very important if people got a short
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Speaker 1: attention span, I want to make sure that they hear
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Speaker 1: this part first, because you report it on you You
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Speaker 1: played a clip of my stand up, but it started
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Speaker 1: at the punchline, and it like completely erased the setup
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Speaker 1: of it. And I really don't like that. It made
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Speaker 1: it seem like I was talking like I'm into some
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Speaker 1: type of race sexual slavery role play with my boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: which is untrue. It's so false, and I expect that
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Speaker 1: type of thing from TMZ because they have no humanity.
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Speaker 1: They don't care about the people that get hurt when
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Speaker 1: they report these sort of things. But you were a friend,
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Speaker 1: so I really didn't like that, Like, like I know,
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Speaker 1: you repeated it in the Neil interview. I didn't like
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Speaker 1: that that that was very very unfair. It was a joke.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, but I need you to watch the show
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Speaker 1: and anybody who watches the show, it's not what I said.
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Speaker 1: It is so false, it's so untrue, and I don't
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Speaker 1: like that because it's like, no, well, we'll get into
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Speaker 1: that later. Uh, it has nothing to do with my boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: It has nothing like the sex that we have. It
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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with sex. It's something that like
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Speaker 1: people have been reporting on and I really really don't
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Speaker 1: like it. It's about my boyfriend reading so much he
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Speaker 1: makes me feel insecure about my level of reading. And look,
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Speaker 1: I get it. It Like it's something that people have
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Speaker 1: been running with because one because I have a white boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: so like people like try and create some type of
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Speaker 1: crazy story out of that, like, and it's a small
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Speaker 1: group of people really like I read all the tweets
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Speaker 1: and it's like some gay black men and some klu
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Speaker 1: Klux clan members who don't like that I have a
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Speaker 1: white boyfriend. They agree on that, so congratulations, like the
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Speaker 1: Klan and doctor Lumar and you know, some people find
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Speaker 1: some common ground on that. But he's a human being.
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Speaker 1: He deserves respect. I deserve respect. I don't appreciate things
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Speaker 1: being misreported or like said about them in that way.
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Speaker 1: It's completely false. So I don't like that. I just
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Speaker 1: want to make that clear. That's that's not something. I
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Speaker 1: know you were just reading the news, but like you're
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Speaker 1: a friend, and I want you to like actually have
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Speaker 1: nuance with these stories like, look, I'm a human being
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Speaker 1: and like people are, people can get hurt. They're actually
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Speaker 1: real lives at stake with the things that you say,
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Speaker 1: and look, come after me, that's fine, but don't come
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Speaker 1: after like my my boyfriend. Well, I'm saying when that's
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Speaker 1: in the headline and that's reported like and then misreported
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Speaker 1: like oh he's into race slave play with his white boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: I don't like that headline because it's false. It is
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Speaker 1: not true at all. Now on to Dave Chappelle.
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Speaker 3: No, I want to stay to the joke, though in
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Speaker 3: context the joke still not a good joke.
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Speaker 1: That's on you comedy for a while. I got.
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Speaker 3: I got because you're still saying you're a slave.
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Speaker 1: No slave math is teaching you know, Listen, I'm talking
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Speaker 1: about my own personal insecurity. I'm an educated person. I'm
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Speaker 1: usually the smartest person in the room. He reads so
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Speaker 1: much it makes me feel like, oh do I even
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Speaker 1: know how to read? That joke works if I had
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Speaker 1: a black boyfriend, my boyfriend were black, that joke actually
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Speaker 1: works better.
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Speaker 3: And you the slave and the white person is the slave.
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Speaker 1: Listen, if you and you're from North Carolina, where you
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Speaker 1: know the first anti literacy laws were created in North
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Speaker 1: and soud Caline. You are sure, sure, but that's not
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Speaker 1: my roles comedian to started getting into like like literacy
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Speaker 1: laws and stuff like that. You completely lost that I
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Speaker 1: evoked provocative imagery sometimes in my jokes. Some people are
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Speaker 1: very sensitive to that. That's your right. You don't have
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Speaker 1: to laugh at that. You could like hear the word
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Speaker 1: slavery and completely shut off. That's completely fine, But don't
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Speaker 1: misconstrue what I said and don't like make it into
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Speaker 1: something that is not, because that's where I start to
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Speaker 1: get offended. I don't know that that the statement like
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Speaker 1: you said it like multiple times on the show, like, oh,
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Speaker 1: he's into slave role play with his white boyfriend. That's untrue.
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Speaker 3: I said it like that.
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Speaker 1: I think I've said Charlemagne, that is not the joke.
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Speaker 1: The joke's about me reading the jokes about my insecurity,
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Speaker 1: about like not being as well read when I be
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Speaker 1: in bed next to him and he's on. When I'm
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Speaker 1: in bed next to him and he's like on his
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Speaker 1: third novel of the month, I'll be watching breakfast club
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Speaker 1: interviews and I feel like, oh, I should read more.
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Speaker 1: That's what the joke is. The joke it has nothing
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Speaker 1: to do with sex, has nothing to do with the
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Speaker 1: type of sex that we have. And that's just absolutely false.
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Speaker 3: But still not a good joke when you're black and hey, listen,
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Speaker 3: that's on you. It's on you.
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Speaker 1: You do stand up and you figure it out for me,
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Speaker 1: the crowds laugh whatever. I'll say this about if the
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Speaker 1: crowd is.
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Speaker 3: The majority white, are they laughing with you? Are at you?
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Speaker 1: You know, it's fun. I'm actually I'm actually shocked. It's
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Speaker 1: like a pretty decent amount of black people coming out
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Speaker 1: to see you. I really appreciate y'all for coming out.
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Speaker 1: I want y'all to keep coming out too. I like
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Speaker 1: I like the seeing it really especially black women are
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Speaker 1: like in the crowd. They've been like talking to me.
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Speaker 1: They seem invested in my life, and it makes me
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Speaker 1: feel really really special. So I really like that and
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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Now, I want to move on to
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Speaker 1: the Dave Chappelle portion of it, because I've heard you
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Speaker 1: comment on that too. I deeply regret ever saying anything
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Speaker 1: about Dave Chappelle to the press. I want to say
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Speaker 1: that I'm sorry for that, because one I'm a huge.
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Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle Dave Chappelle fan. I love Dave like. I
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Speaker 1: think he's brilliant. I think he's a bright light in
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Speaker 1: a dying industry. I think he's more important now than
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Speaker 1: ever before, because, like comedians are now just posting clips
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Speaker 1: that him doing crowd work online and calling it art
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Speaker 1: and it's not right. Dave Chappelle is an artist. He's
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Speaker 1: one of the few artists that we have, and I
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Speaker 1: care deeply about the work that he makes. With that said,
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Speaker 1: the criticism that I had had nothing to do with
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Speaker 1: the morality of the joke, had nothing to do with
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Speaker 1: the ethics of the joke. That's something that's also been misreported.
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Speaker 1: The criticism I had was that of a fan, someone
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Speaker 1: who respects him so much that I want him to
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Speaker 1: focus his genius on a wide range of topics. I
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Speaker 1: think like it started, but it started being really really
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Speaker 1: focused on one thing. Well, I'll say this. Look, that's
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Speaker 1: like I'm saying that about the slave yoall I'll say.
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Speaker 1: I'll say this. I'm also a big fan of jay Z.
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Speaker 1: If jay Z made three albums about trans people, I'd
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Speaker 1: be like, Hey, what's going on with jay? But jay
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Speaker 1: Z made three albums more than three albums about selling drugs.
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Speaker 1: You don't you just don't put him in that. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you don't pigeonhole them with dead no they jay Z.
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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I would love to get to a
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Speaker 1: jay Z argument. Jay Z was very personal, very emotional.
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Speaker 1: He always evolved. Four four four was incredible because it
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Speaker 1: showed growth and evolution and something you've never seen before
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Speaker 1: and rap, And that's a thing with comedy too. Comedy
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Speaker 1: doesn't grow, Comedy doesn't evolve, It's it's kind of stunted
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Speaker 1: like rap, and like we just started getting like real braggadocious,
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Speaker 1: like antagonistic with the crowd, and it can evolve, like
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Speaker 1: and we need smart people like Dave, like Chris Rock,
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Speaker 1: like myself to actually evolve the art form because it
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Speaker 1: is dying. It's so so important for people to go
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Speaker 1: up and do deep personal stories or have a deep
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Speaker 1: perspective about things going on in the world because it's
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Speaker 1: not happening but you see it online. Yeah, I know, Listen,
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Speaker 1: all I'm saying is And because I've talked about Dave
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Speaker 1: a lot, I don't want to talk about Dave anymore.
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Speaker 1: I honestly I called him an eagle manac, I'm a
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Speaker 1: eago maniac. I'm here to talk about me. I have
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Speaker 1: a show that I want to talk about, talk about. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know you know what. And I'll tell you honestly,
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Speaker 1: from now on, any thoughts I have for Dave will
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Speaker 1: be directed in a phone call to day. I'll never
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Speaker 1: do it again. I'll never I I do apologize for that,
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Speaker 1: Like I'm man enough to say that, I that is wrong.
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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't need it. I don't want the attention.
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Speaker 1: It's going on way too long, don't want it at all.
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Speaker 1: I'm here to talk about me. Did it change after
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Speaker 1: you got I guess taken out of context after this slave?
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Speaker 1: Because it never changed. No, it never changed. It had
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Speaker 1: like it had nothing to do with that. Like I
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Speaker 1: I think that again with the press, the same thing, TMZ.
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Speaker 1: It's funny because that's the thing that happened, Like, you know,
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Speaker 1: I get asked about Dave or Cosby or something like that.
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Speaker 1: Like it is almost like the press and like you know,
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Speaker 1: they want to perpetuate it. Beat well, it's just like, hey,
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Speaker 1: like what's going on with you? When this other black
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Speaker 1: man like John Laney don't get asked about Jerry Seinfeld
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Speaker 1: the way I get asked about other black comedians like that.
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Speaker 1: That's just like I don't like that either. These are
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Speaker 1: like there are few artists in this art form. There
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Speaker 1: are so few artists people actually doing art, people that
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Speaker 1: not doing podcasts, not doing like crowd work videos online,
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Speaker 1: people that are actually doing the art. He's one of
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Speaker 1: the few. I have a deep respect for him. And
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Speaker 1: that's that's all I'll say. And let's hope TMZ reports
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Speaker 1: everything I just said, because like I'm saying, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: apologize to myself for making like making this whole thing
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Speaker 1: get out of proportion, like I should never said anything again.
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Speaker 1: I really want to talk about me. That's what I'm
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Speaker 1: here for to talked about myself.
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Speaker 4: Seanaman.
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Speaker 2: He said he was upset because he could sider you
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Speaker 2: guys friends and that you went off the rail without
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Speaker 2: having a conversation.
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Speaker 1: Did you watch the show? Did you? I texted you
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Speaker 1: last night? You watch it? You've been watching it? Did
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Speaker 1: you watch the next episode? No?
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Speaker 3: I watched the first four, the first three.
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Speaker 1: You're gonna love the next episode. So respond to what
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Speaker 1: he said, because you know he considered you guys friends
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Speaker 1: and my friend. I want you to apologize.
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Speaker 2: But if you feel the way, I think that Charlamagne
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Speaker 2: should apologize him as well.
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Speaker 3: I don't feel like I want to apologize, don't you.
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Speaker 1: Well i'm talking about person. Would you want me to
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Speaker 1: give you one of these half assed bullshit industry? But
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Speaker 1: I don't feel like I need to apologize. I think
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Speaker 1: I made myself clear. I have no need for an
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Speaker 1: apology if it and I'm like, you know what, that
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Speaker 1: was wrong? But in the moment, well, I'll wait for
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Speaker 1: that when I'm in the shower thinking about d J.
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Speaker 1: And I know that's anyway I want you to. I
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Speaker 1: want you to watch this next episode because this next
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Speaker 1: week I'm gonna road trip with my dad to devilin,
10:55
Speaker 1: South Carolina, where he's from. That's where he was your
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Speaker 1: Monk's corner. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. No. The
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Speaker 1: episode is really good because I have a conversation with
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Speaker 1: him and I say things that I was afraid to say,
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Speaker 1: and this.
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Speaker 4: Is the reality.
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Speaker 2: Yea yeah, but just shooting at everybody I wanted.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to be said in the comment section that
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Speaker 1: I came with love. I came with candles and flowers
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Speaker 1: and love. That's right. Yeah, just come on, like just
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Speaker 1: I need you. I do have one more question about that, though, Like,
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Speaker 1: do you think a comedian should ever call another comedian
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Speaker 1: offensive or implied to another comedian is being offensive because
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Speaker 1: you could easily offend. I'll say comedians can do whatever
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Speaker 1: they want. I don't want to be a comedian who
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Speaker 1: speaks about other comedians. I make art that I like.
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Speaker 1: I make things that I want the world to see.
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Speaker 1: I focus all my energy and attention on myself and
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Speaker 1: my art and my work, and that's what I want
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Speaker 1: to be known for. And I don't care. I'm not
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Speaker 1: on Twitter talking about other comedians. I'm knowing podcasts like
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know me, I don't talk about anything
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Speaker 1: but myself like that. That's why I'm upset that the
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Speaker 1: whole thing got blown out of proportion because I don't
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Speaker 1: talk about anything other than myself. I'm I'm so focused
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Speaker 1: on my own work. I think it's important. I think
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Speaker 1: people should see it, and that's why I'm here. Okay.
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Speaker 2: Now, you also talk about black women being super supportive
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Speaker 2: when you first came out, but also being mad at
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Speaker 2: you at the same time.
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Speaker 1: Oh, because I got a white boyfriend. Yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's It's funny they met my boyfriend. They love him
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Speaker 1: like my boyfriend. My boyfriend is actually he's so real.
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Speaker 1: That's part of the reason, like that any lie about
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Speaker 1: him makes me upset because he's so he's so real.
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Speaker 1: My homegirl ivery loves Mike. Mike doesn't engage in small talk.
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Speaker 1: That's the thing that I actually am trying to learn because.
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Speaker 3: Like I can my next book, why small talk sucks.
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Speaker 1: Hey, there we go. You got to meet my boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: and like he doesn't do it at all. If you
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Speaker 1: talk to him about the weather, he'll just be quiet.
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Speaker 1: And I'm trying to learn that. Like I'd be out
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Speaker 1: in the world just lying to people just like, oh, no,
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Speaker 1: good shirt, just like I have a lot of good
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Speaker 1: shirt conversations. It's all. It's all. I got to stop
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Speaker 1: doing that. I don't like that.
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Speaker 2: How does he feel when you because you talk about
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Speaker 2: your life on the reality show? How does you feel
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Speaker 2: when you talk about your sexcapage or even your conversation
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Speaker 2: with Tyler to createor how does it make him feel?
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Speaker 4: Funny do you have conversation before?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he knows all of it. I mean it's funny
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Speaker 1: because our relationship began. I started shooting the reality show,
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Speaker 1: and then our relationship began. So he like he came
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Speaker 1: in at a time when I'm dealing with a lot
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Speaker 1: of things, and the show is just about me, like
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Speaker 1: me trying to explore all these deep things about myself
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Speaker 1: and being in therapy, trying to work through problems, like
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Speaker 1: trying to trying to like I'm exposing it's the most
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Speaker 1: vulnerable show of all time. Like you've never seen a
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Speaker 1: show more vulnerable than this?
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Speaker 5: Did he make you more comfortable with that?
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Speaker 1: He makes me more uncomfortable life. But I think I'm
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Speaker 1: a better person because my boyfriend. I feel so much
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Speaker 1: calmer now. Like I'm a person that had a lot
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Speaker 1: of anxiety, and you could see it even in the
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Speaker 1: first episode. You could see like it's me trying to
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Speaker 1: get all my anxiety out. I think that's why the
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Speaker 1: audience feels that way. They feel a little awkward, because
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Speaker 1: that's that's how I felt. I think it transmutes into
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Speaker 1: the art form. I was somebody that was just like
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Speaker 1: constantly scared, constantly nervous, afraid of how I would be perceived,
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Speaker 1: Afraid of like you know, like coming in masculine environments
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Speaker 1: as a gay man, Like just terrified all the time,
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Speaker 1: afraid of the kind of sex I was having. I
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Speaker 1: was I was thinking about that because people have been
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Speaker 1: talking about like I put like a foot in my
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Speaker 1: mouth in the in the first episode, people call people yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, and I want to also want to set
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Speaker 1: the records right. He was Guatemalan. People say it's white toes.
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Speaker 1: He was Guatemalan. Maybe that doesn't matter to some people,
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Speaker 1: but it's like I told the tone, I've had some
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Speaker 1: black peet my mouth too. I was afraid of the
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Speaker 1: type of sex I was having. I thought it was
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Speaker 1: dirty and so wrong, and like I used to get
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Speaker 1: like HIV tests once a week because I thought I
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Speaker 1: was like I was having like dirty forbidden like god
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Speaker 1: forbidden sex, and I was like I viewed myself negatively
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Speaker 1: and the gay man that normal. No, no, that that
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Speaker 1: level of shame.
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Speaker 3: I'm talking about getting the HIV test.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. But and I'll say this, but that's that's also
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Speaker 1: the you know, actually an actual fact more straight people
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Speaker 1: get HIV now than gay men, like because straight people
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Speaker 1: don't check on themselves as much as gay men on
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Speaker 1: sexual health because you have to be and like like
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Speaker 1: you know that that's the thing that was actually psychological
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Speaker 1: that was me thinking that God was punishing me because
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Speaker 1: something I was doing was so wrong and that is
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Speaker 1: a horrible thing to live with. And people gay, straight, whatever,
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Speaker 1: have a lot of sexual shame. They're afraid of things.
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Speaker 1: So I was doing things like on camera to liberate myself,
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Speaker 1: like it was important for me to like eradicate that shame,
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Speaker 1: Like I put a foot, I put a foot in
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Speaker 1: my mouth for y'all. A lot of people don't think
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Speaker 1: you're really gay, though, and they think that you just
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Speaker 1: put the foot in your mouth to kind of prove
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Speaker 1: that you get And it was like if he was
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Speaker 1: really gay, you the stuff they dig on camp, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, only fans coming soon, I guess.
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Speaker 1: You know. There's a lot of silly things. There are
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Speaker 1: people who get that news from Twitter. They're crazy.
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Speaker 4: What did you meet your boyfriend? What did you mean?
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Speaker 1: How did you We met? Thro a mutual friend. We
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Speaker 1: met years ago in l A and then and we
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Speaker 1: started dating. Uh uh, it's been a year and a
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Speaker 1: half now.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't scene when you were I'm sorry the thing
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Speaker 3: with Tyler?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Just how are you doing. I'm good? How
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Speaker 1: you been I'm good? I look, hey, can I say
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Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you, and I don't mean that
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Speaker 1: in the condescending way, because people sometimes use pride like
16:29
Speaker 1: like I'm proud of you, like I'm above you. I'm
16:32
Speaker 1: so proud of you. I love you very very much.
16:36
Speaker 3: You don't try to disarmor.
16:38
Speaker 1: She's I'm can you tell to see me and listen
16:44
Speaker 1: showed up.
16:45
Speaker 6: Showed up by wiz camera in the green room, like
16:47
Speaker 6: years and years ago when I first started doing comedy.
16:50
Speaker 3: London, when London kicked him outcau.
16:51
Speaker 1: She didn't know who he was.
16:52
Speaker 6: I didn't know who he wasn't he He was just
16:55
Speaker 6: like okay, I'll leave him, Like no, wait, this is
16:57
Speaker 6: jer She was.
16:58
Speaker 1: Like, oh guy, yeah, no no. And I've been a
17:03
Speaker 1: fan of yours, like for for a very long time.
17:05
Speaker 1: We worked on time I gave just a TV. I
17:10
Speaker 1: saw I saw that she was a star, like you know,
17:13
Speaker 1: like look at me trying to take credit for how
17:16
Speaker 1: you was the one who got her own row what
17:18
Speaker 1: you're talking about. I saw my sister's Instagram. It was like,
17:20
Speaker 1: she's a star. She's incredible, She's a star. I was
17:24
Speaker 1: like like her, like I was, I was. I was
17:27
Speaker 1: in Dana Walden office and Fox like demanding, demanding they
17:31
Speaker 1: put you on the air because you and rightfully so
17:33
Speaker 1: like I don't need it out. Yeah yeah, listen, give
17:36
Speaker 1: her all credit to whatever you know. I'm like little Richard,
17:38
Speaker 1: I get overlooked for all types of ship anyway. No,
17:42
Speaker 1: You're incredible and I'm really really happy for you.
17:44
Speaker 5: I appreciate you.
17:46
Speaker 1: Know what I mean. I love you.
17:49
Speaker 5: Told us I was like, we need to get him
17:50
Speaker 5: up here so we can talk about it.
17:51
Speaker 1: I wanted to come to the New space and come
17:53
Speaker 1: when you were here.
17:53
Speaker 6: Yes, So I wanted to ask you about you and
17:56
Speaker 6: Tyler because y'all are actually really friends. Yeah right, yeah
17:59
Speaker 6: with that like for fun or did you really really
18:02
Speaker 6: have romantic feelings for Tyler?
18:03
Speaker 1: Yeah? I did. I was in turmoil over that for
18:05
Speaker 1: a year, and that's a hard thing to deal with.
18:07
Speaker 1: Of course, is like I've seen people online talk about
18:10
Speaker 1: as awkward as cringe. Yeah. Yeah, having feelings for your
18:13
Speaker 1: best friend is very awkward, very very cringe. I'm thankful
18:17
Speaker 1: that he did it because I've never seen a conversation
18:21
Speaker 1: like that played out on television or in any space,
18:25
Speaker 1: and I thought it was really really important. I've never
18:27
Speaker 1: like I've never seen like a black man expressed feelings
18:30
Speaker 1: for another black man like that ever before. And I'm
18:33
Speaker 1: trying to make art that I wish i'd seen as
18:36
Speaker 1: a kid. I'm trying to make things and put things
18:39
Speaker 1: out there that I needed, and so it was really important.
18:42
Speaker 1: I thought it was a really important conversation. I'm so
18:44
Speaker 1: thankful to Tyler for doing it.
18:45
Speaker 6: Because when you say he called you stupid, like he
18:50
Speaker 6: laughed about it, did that really hurt your feelings or
18:52
Speaker 6: it's just like, oh, because I.
18:54
Speaker 1: Getting caught a stupid bitchy but stupid bitch.
18:59
Speaker 5: I know black all my that's feed to be a
19:00
Speaker 5: bit all the time.
19:01
Speaker 6: So it was just like, okay, cool, But it really
19:05
Speaker 6: did hurt you see what he said?
19:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was watching it. I stayed up late for
19:09
Speaker 1: that too. I've made a sandwich. I was up at
19:11
Speaker 1: three in the morning. I wasn't feel about it. You
19:15
Speaker 1: staying up late to watch Tyler. I was on FaceTime
19:18
Speaker 1: with him. Oh yeah, yeah, no, like like you know,
19:23
Speaker 1: he's emotionally evolved. I'm the one that's trying to catch up.
19:26
Speaker 4: Get jealous at all.
19:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's jealousy for sure. Jealousy. I'm jealous of him.
19:31
Speaker 1: He goes to the gym, like you be getting hit
19:33
Speaker 1: on the stuff. Like it's like, yeah, there's a lot
19:35
Speaker 1: of jealousy. I'm learning to deal with that, like I'm trying.
19:39
Speaker 5: To How does he deal with it?
19:43
Speaker 1: I mean that's a question for him. I think, Yeah,
19:45
Speaker 1: we talk about it. That's the thing public. Yeah, yeah,
19:48
Speaker 1: I'm public, but but that's something that we talk about.
19:51
Speaker 1: That And that's kind of the point of the show.
19:53
Speaker 1: Like all these things, these feelings that you don't talk about,
19:57
Speaker 1: things that you could just harbor, you could go to
19:58
Speaker 1: sleep at night, never say, like we talk about these things.
20:02
Speaker 1: It's so important. What do you think about teleperformance? I
20:04
Speaker 1: know just asked you that Tyler is an aesthetic genius sonically.
20:09
Speaker 1: He has chords that I mean, I think that's part
20:12
Speaker 1: of the reason we became friends, because there's a certain
20:14
Speaker 1: sound that I think we both relate to. He's he's great,
20:19
Speaker 1: He's one of them. He said, you're trying to I
20:20
Speaker 1: bet y'all saw my best friend trying to fuck me
20:22
Speaker 1: on camera. I thought it was funny. That was funny. No,
20:27
Speaker 1: I love the performance. The performance itself was great, like
20:30
Speaker 1: and I don't want to be a distraction from his work.
20:33
Speaker 1: It's great. I'm thankful that he had the conversation, and
20:36
Speaker 1: I think he's one of the few like him Beyonce,
20:39
Speaker 1: like he wanted a few live performers that deserve all
20:43
Speaker 1: the praise that they get. He's so incredible.
20:45
Speaker 4: What's your relationship now, y'all?
20:46
Speaker 1: Cool?
20:46
Speaker 4: After the conversations, I mean he's.
20:48
Speaker 1: Making jokes about it. We cool. I mean we moved on,
20:53
Speaker 1: like I have. You know, I've definitely moved on. It
20:57
Speaker 1: was a very, very tough moment in my life, and
21:00
Speaker 1: I have nothing but gratitude for him for doing that
21:03
Speaker 1: on camera as wild right, But it was hard off camera.
21:06
Speaker 1: That was a difficult thing to deal with off camera.
21:08
Speaker 1: A whole year friend, Yeah, yeah, I was. I was
21:12
Speaker 1: on music Soul Child have crazy mode for why not
21:16
Speaker 1: reach out to him during that year? He called me
21:18
Speaker 1: a stupid bitch, Charlainne. Did you watch the show? Thank you?
21:24
Speaker 1: But that's your friend, somebody you love and care for.
21:26
Speaker 1: What I was thinking of, like, well, why would he
21:28
Speaker 1: let a whole year go by?
21:29
Speaker 3: Why would either wanted him let a whole year?
21:30
Speaker 1: Well, it's very easy. So that's the thing. It's very
21:32
Speaker 1: easy for things to like just fall back into the
21:36
Speaker 1: elephant in the room, like, Okay, we're not going to
21:38
Speaker 1: talk about it. We just go to breakfast. Like I
21:41
Speaker 1: have that same relationship with my parents where it's like, oh,
21:43
Speaker 1: there are things that we don't really want to talk about,
21:46
Speaker 1: so we don't and we engage in small talk. We
21:49
Speaker 1: talk about everything else, and and and that's what the
21:52
Speaker 1: show was. The show was an excuse to have a
21:54
Speaker 1: difficult conversation that I'd otherwise be afraid to have. How
21:57
Speaker 1: is when you were sitting there eating it with Tyler,
22:01
Speaker 1: it felt like, and I know in TV time, I
22:02
Speaker 1: don't know how long it was, but it felt like
22:04
Speaker 1: there was just a long moment where y'all said nothing
22:07
Speaker 1: parts he says, I'll call you next week. How long
22:10
Speaker 1: was that whole scene? I mean it was longer. It
22:15
Speaker 1: was longer than what you saw, no conversation. Yeah, I
22:18
Speaker 1: mean that's how real life plays out sometimes, you know.
22:21
Speaker 1: And and I like the show because the show lives
22:24
Speaker 1: in silences. It lives in like moments like there's a
22:28
Speaker 1: credit Elvis Mitchell that like called me, and it was
22:31
Speaker 1: like I really loved the silence of the show. I
22:34
Speaker 1: really loved that it kind of lives and they they
22:37
Speaker 1: are these moments where the show takes its time.
22:39
Speaker 4: I was asking about your family.
22:40
Speaker 2: You know, how was it with your family seeing everything
22:44
Speaker 2: up close and personal, because at one time you said
22:46
Speaker 2: it was difficult when you first came out to talk
22:47
Speaker 2: to your family.
22:48
Speaker 1: No, I haven't.
22:48
Speaker 4: I haven't seen it.
22:49
Speaker 1: You haven't seen it. I'm having sex dreams about you
22:53
Speaker 1: and you didn't sell. I'm joking. I don't want to
22:54
Speaker 1: make you uncomfortable.
22:56
Speaker 2: Uncomfortable I sup your family, but now it's don't care.
23:03
Speaker 2: I know you're super you're super straight. You got to
23:06
Speaker 2: chain all like it's just like anybody that a little Okay,
23:12
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to start.
23:13
Speaker 1: I didn't mean. I'm joking. I didn't want to like anyway, whoa,
23:21
Speaker 1: that's not true.
23:23
Speaker 2: You'll got me like Cameron now, Like, yeah, I was asking,
23:28
Speaker 2: so how is that your family seeing everything?
23:31
Speaker 1: My dad's super nervous, uh episode his episodes coming up
23:35
Speaker 1: this week, you know, like he'd be calling me, like
23:38
Speaker 1: pretending he's just checking on me, you know, but he
23:41
Speaker 1: really wants to know about it. It's a wild thing.
23:43
Speaker 1: Like just imagine me and from where I'm from, you know,
23:46
Speaker 1: your son's all HBO every week dealing with personal family things.
23:51
Speaker 1: That's insane. That's insane. So I respect my family for
23:56
Speaker 1: dealing with these things on camera. They know that that's
23:58
Speaker 1: my way. And and uh, yeah, he's a little nervous.
24:01
Speaker 1: My my mom is an evangelist, so she feels as
24:05
Speaker 1: long as she gets the word of God out there,
24:07
Speaker 1: like she's a good she's all good. Yeah. Yeah. My
24:09
Speaker 1: mom is one of the few people in the world
24:11
Speaker 1: who is exactly who she says she is, and that's
24:14
Speaker 1: caused some tension in our life. But I also totally
24:17
Speaker 1: respect her.
24:18
Speaker 3: How did your mom? How do you think black women
24:20
Speaker 3: in general will feel about you referring to your mother
24:23
Speaker 3: as a bitch?
24:23
Speaker 1: Oh? Man, that's been the family been the family been having.
24:28
Speaker 1: They got a group chat without me talking about that.
24:33
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny that I actually didn't consider that
24:37
Speaker 1: like when I said it, And maybe that's me being inconsiderate,
24:39
Speaker 1: and maybe there is some like latent hurt that is
24:44
Speaker 1: coming out when I when I say that, I actually
24:46
Speaker 1: wasn't saying I love my mother. I have a deep
24:49
Speaker 1: respect from my mother, and I only said it. I
24:52
Speaker 1: say it kind of casually, kind of gay, like just
24:55
Speaker 1: on stage. I say it just nonchalantly. I just I
24:59
Speaker 1: call people bitches and niggas all the time, Like I
25:03
Speaker 1: you know, listen, you.
25:04
Speaker 3: Can call your dad a nigga. You can that a
25:06
Speaker 3: bit with your mom.
25:07
Speaker 5: But you're gonna get mad at Tyler for a year
25:09
Speaker 5: because he says.
25:10
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't it was the dismissal of the emotion. Yeah,
25:14
Speaker 1: it wasn't just that. It was that that was all
25:16
Speaker 1: he said. But no, with my mom, now that's something
25:18
Speaker 1: that we talked about. I would rather focus on the
25:23
Speaker 1: emotion behind it. It's like it's easy to get hung
25:25
Speaker 1: up on it. Actually get really really angry at my
25:27
Speaker 1: family when they start talking about, like, you know, my
25:30
Speaker 1: dad called He's like, I don't like that you call
25:32
Speaker 1: your mom a bitch. I'm like, that's the worst thing
25:34
Speaker 1: we've done to my mother. Like I think, I think
25:37
Speaker 1: as a family, we've done worse, you know. And and
25:39
Speaker 1: I think that it's easy sometimes that surface level conversation
25:44
Speaker 1: is all people have access to. It is the thing
25:46
Speaker 1: that people want to talk about because it's easy. But
25:48
Speaker 1: just don't say that word. It's like, Hey, what's behind
25:51
Speaker 1: that word? Why do you think I'm saying? Do you
25:53
Speaker 1: see the hurt in my eyes? Do you hear it
25:55
Speaker 1: in my voice? Like, I'm hurt and I'm revealing a
25:57
Speaker 1: lot in this show, and the family can't talk about
26:00
Speaker 1: that sometimes, so they just focus on the very easy thing.
26:03
Speaker 5: So more so, why did you call her a bitch?
26:06
Speaker 1: Well? Why am I hurt?
26:07
Speaker 3: Yeah?
26:08
Speaker 1: What's the cause of the hurt? Like you know, like
26:10
Speaker 1: I feel rejected by my creator. That's a difficult thing
26:13
Speaker 1: to live with. Like, you know, I'm not the only
26:15
Speaker 1: person that's living with like some issues with their parents,
26:18
Speaker 1: with their mom or you just you don't see eye
26:20
Speaker 1: to eye and it makes you feel bad about yourself.
26:22
Speaker 1: That's how I feel. And that's a really really hard
26:24
Speaker 1: thing to live with. And I'm trying to make art
26:28
Speaker 1: and trying to make sense of all of it, but
26:29
Speaker 1: it's really tough. What would you say to people who
26:32
Speaker 1: would say your mom is homophobic? But when I look
26:35
Speaker 1: at it, I say, no, she's very religious, So I
26:37
Speaker 1: think she's looking at it through the religious of religion. Yeah, yeah,
26:40
Speaker 1: and I think that. I think at some point you
26:45
Speaker 1: have to think about how you got to the place
26:50
Speaker 1: that you are. I had a really good conversation with
26:53
Speaker 1: my mom about even her finding religion and needing religion
26:58
Speaker 1: about the hurt, the disappointment in her life from her
27:02
Speaker 1: dad and from other people in her life that led
27:05
Speaker 1: her to needing God as much as she does and
27:07
Speaker 1: depending on God as so much she does. And we
27:09
Speaker 1: were having a really, really good conversation that my dad
27:12
Speaker 1: woke up and interrupted. It was yeah, yeah, but you know,
27:16
Speaker 1: but you have to explore your life. You got to
27:19
Speaker 1: explore the reasons why, because you can hurt people, like
27:22
Speaker 1: I know, like people call it faith whatever, but they
27:25
Speaker 1: are human beings and like your opinion, my mother's opinion
27:29
Speaker 1: of me matters so much. Absolutely. I also wondered when
27:33
Speaker 1: you was It was a scene where you was It
27:35
Speaker 1: looked like you was literally sitting in the closet, I'm
27:37
Speaker 1: not trying to be funny, and you were saying how
27:39
Speaker 1: you felt spiritually unclean.
27:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, you said you felt like a black buck and
27:43
Speaker 3: a cup.
27:44
Speaker 1: I wondered what your mother thought about that, especially the
27:47
Speaker 1: spiritually unclean part. Yeah, you know, my mom said she
27:50
Speaker 1: said a funny thing because she saw the hookups and
27:54
Speaker 1: like how much I talk about sex in the show.
27:56
Speaker 1: She was like, the one thing she did say about
27:58
Speaker 1: the show, she was like, I just want you to
28:01
Speaker 1: note that your body is a temple, you know, And
28:05
Speaker 1: I got mad. I got offended by that because I
28:07
Speaker 1: was like, I see the grosses you buy. You be
28:09
Speaker 1: eating Beanie Whenies, you know, wies, little little hot dogs,
28:13
Speaker 1: little hot dogs cut up in parking beans. I was like,
28:15
Speaker 1: you invite Beanie Whenies into your temple, you know, my
28:19
Speaker 1: temple was actually that's actually, that's the actually that's maybe
28:23
Speaker 1: I'm from the South, that's like it. But but but
28:25
Speaker 1: but my mom. Yeah, yeah, man, we only have time.
28:29
Speaker 1: That's like a whole special work. So why I guess
28:31
Speaker 1: my thing though, is why I keep living like that?
28:33
Speaker 1: If you feel like you said, you feel like a
28:34
Speaker 1: black white book in a cook strong Well, a lot
28:38
Speaker 1: of the show is me trying to figure out, like
28:40
Speaker 1: working through those things, like working through the shame that
28:43
Speaker 1: I have, working through a lot of the problems that
28:46
Speaker 1: that I have in my life. Yeah, it's it's a feeling.
28:49
Speaker 1: I expressed my feelings, and I'm expressing them on camera
28:52
Speaker 1: for the world to dissect, for you know, people to
28:54
Speaker 1: kind of therapize. But I it was a feeling I
28:58
Speaker 1: was having in that moment, and I was conflicted about it.
29:00
Speaker 1: Isn't that a racial component if you're saying you feel
29:02
Speaker 1: like a black buck, and there's a part of you
29:03
Speaker 1: to ask to be like why do I keep hooking
29:05
Speaker 1: up with all these white men? Yeah? But I mean
29:08
Speaker 1: that I've been reading a lot and so that was
29:10
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, there there's all types of components. There's
29:14
Speaker 1: a sex addiction component to it, just like why why
29:18
Speaker 1: do I need sex to heal? Why do I turn
29:22
Speaker 1: to that to feel better about myself? Like a lot
29:25
Speaker 1: of it's unhealthy, Like I definitely exhibit a lot of
29:28
Speaker 1: unhealthy behavior in the show.
29:31
Speaker 5: But I think it also.
29:34
Speaker 6: He's not the only one who's feeling that way obviously,
29:37
Speaker 6: So you're saying, like people therapized. I mean people can
29:40
Speaker 6: like get some type of therapy from your show, because
29:42
Speaker 6: you're not the.
29:43
Speaker 5: Only person that has these conflicted feelings.
29:46
Speaker 6: I have friends who have talked to me about the
29:48
Speaker 6: same thing that you're that you you know that you're
29:51
Speaker 6: putting out there on the show that you're actually going
29:53
Speaker 6: through this and on the camera on camera.
29:57
Speaker 5: You know it actually it it rings.
30:00
Speaker 6: I don't know, like some type of like awareness to you.
30:03
Speaker 6: Oh damn no, I'm not the only person feeling like this, and.
30:05
Speaker 1: You're a good friend because I hope that they bring
30:09
Speaker 1: it to you because they know that you're a safe
30:11
Speaker 1: place and that you won't make them feel shame for
30:14
Speaker 1: anything that they're feeling. That's the difficult thing. It's hard.
30:16
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I'm out here, I'll be getting crucified
30:19
Speaker 1: every week. But it's hard to reveal things about yourself
30:23
Speaker 1: because you're afraid. You're afraid people are gonna throw stones.
30:26
Speaker 1: I've definitely been afraid. I feel like a turtle without
30:28
Speaker 1: a shell.
30:28
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's good because you're opening yourself
30:30
Speaker 2: up to people that might be going through the same
30:32
Speaker 2: problems that you're going through and too scared to share,
30:34
Speaker 2: or too scared that.
30:35
Speaker 1: I was too scared. I lived most of my life terrified,
30:39
Speaker 1: terrified to reveal anything about myself, like just trying to
30:42
Speaker 1: just living behind a mask. It's so unhealthy, and I
30:46
Speaker 1: was really hurting myself. And I'm putting myself out there
30:49
Speaker 1: so that people can feel and see that it's okay.
30:53
Speaker 5: And that's why I was so shocked.
30:54
Speaker 6: I was like, wow, he I feel like I'm watching
30:57
Speaker 6: something that I'm not supposed to know about him. I'm feeling,
31:00
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Just to be that vulnerable
31:03
Speaker 6: on a show. What made you want to do it now?
31:06
Speaker 3: Like?
31:06
Speaker 1: Well, because after I came out, I realized that there
31:11
Speaker 1: are other things I needed to come out about. I
31:14
Speaker 1: think everybody's in a closet about something, and I was
31:18
Speaker 1: in a closet. It was more than just being gay.
31:20
Speaker 1: It was about of feelings that I have. I was
31:23
Speaker 1: in a closet about you know, sex, addiction, or how
31:28
Speaker 1: I am as a friend or all these things. Like
31:31
Speaker 1: just like I was a closeted person. I was holding
31:33
Speaker 1: everything inside and the show was an outlet for me.
31:36
Speaker 1: I'm an artist, and I use art as a means
31:40
Speaker 1: of expression and as a means to heal, and so
31:44
Speaker 1: the show just felt like a natural. I was doing
31:47
Speaker 1: all these shows, I was doing stand up, and stand
31:49
Speaker 1: up started being kind of a form of therapy. It
31:52
Speaker 1: was like a re associated therapy that I would just
31:54
Speaker 1: go up and I would talk about a problem that
31:56
Speaker 1: I have, a deep personal problem that I have, and
31:59
Speaker 1: the response from the audience started being better. That's what
32:01
Speaker 1: I mean. Like people coming to the shows, like like
32:04
Speaker 1: the heckles that I get as a comedian are so thoughtful.
32:07
Speaker 1: Like no comedian gets like the thought like people turn
32:09
Speaker 1: into therapists in the.
32:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not.
32:12
Speaker 1: I watched that. Yes, I was like, those heckles aren't
32:14
Speaker 1: real the audiences. No, No, like people are smart. I
32:18
Speaker 1: believe that. I believe that, like Twitter isn't just the
32:22
Speaker 1: that's not what the world is it. Yeah, listen, sometimes
32:26
Speaker 1: I search your name to make me feel better about myself.
32:30
Speaker 1: Charlot made no, but but I like no, all my my,
32:38
Speaker 1: the heckles that I get are thoughtful responses because you
32:41
Speaker 1: open yourself up and people open themselves up like like
32:44
Speaker 1: they they respond in kind And so I'm glad you're
32:48
Speaker 1: good friends and your friends who are expressing themselves to you.
32:52
Speaker 4: How did you deal with the sex edition? Sex Edition?
32:54
Speaker 1: I'm still I'm still.
32:56
Speaker 5: He's dealing with it, trying to figure it out.
33:00
Speaker 1: And I'm getting my candle everywhere. But now shows you
33:05
Speaker 1: you just be on grind before your boyfriend.
33:07
Speaker 3: You was on grind just that was old.
33:09
Speaker 6: That was that had to be before your boyfriend, before
33:12
Speaker 6: my boyfriend.
33:13
Speaker 1: And you know, but yeah, sex sex sex is something else. Man.
33:18
Speaker 1: You gotta keep watching the show. You gotta watch. Do
33:20
Speaker 1: you get all the episodes yees three. I'm waiting on
33:23
Speaker 1: the link. Can you send the link with all the
33:25
Speaker 1: episodes because I want to see all of it. Yeah.
33:27
Speaker 1: You had a good explanation, though, you said, because you
33:30
Speaker 1: waited so long to come out.
33:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, so now you feel like a seventeen year old.
33:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, making up making up for lost time, Like
33:38
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, they're they're at Like my emotional maturity
33:43
Speaker 1: level was a bit delayed. That's it's a little embarrassing
33:46
Speaker 1: to admit, but true. But even that, I do think
33:52
Speaker 1: there are certain aspects of my personality that I inherit
33:54
Speaker 1: from my father. I've been reading about that a lot,
33:57
Speaker 1: just like being you know, you you learn how to
34:01
Speaker 1: be a man from your dad, And I learned hes
34:04
Speaker 1: gonna get mad because he's gonna watch this, always throwing
34:07
Speaker 1: me under the bus. But it's just true, like it's
34:09
Speaker 1: something you learn therapy that like, oh, this is how
34:12
Speaker 1: you model yourself as a man, and and and so
34:16
Speaker 1: we look to sex as a as a form of
34:19
Speaker 1: validation for my manlihood, like to make me feel like
34:22
Speaker 1: a man. What you're saying is absolutely true. And I've
34:26
Speaker 1: said that numerous times too. But I guess for me,
34:28
Speaker 1: I'm with I'm with women. Yeah, so to do that
34:32
Speaker 1: with other men. You got a dady from the Caro Carolina,
34:34
Speaker 1: I got daddy from sciecingline and well not looking at
34:36
Speaker 1: you like more of a man because you sleep with
34:37
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys. Yeah. Well here's the thing. I mean, Listen,
34:39
Speaker 1: the difference between me and my dad is that I
34:41
Speaker 1: don't leave a trail of children, you know what I mean. Like,
34:45
Speaker 1: I'm thankful for that, thank god, because if I was straight,
34:48
Speaker 1: i'd have seventeen kids. Like that's the only difference. Yeah, yeah,
34:56
Speaker 1: thank god for that. There is a part in the
34:58
Speaker 1: show where your friend with the the mask. Yeah, one
35:02
Speaker 1: of the most honest moments I've seen on the show
35:04
Speaker 1: as far as when he says to you, this isn't honesty.
35:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got all these cameras because that's what it
35:08
Speaker 3: feels like.
35:08
Speaker 1: It feels like it's a curated To me, it feels
35:10
Speaker 1: like it's a curated exhibition of your sexual exploits.
35:13
Speaker 3: Yeah.
35:13
Speaker 1: I don't see that.
35:14
Speaker 3: I don't see the truth that you're trying to reveal.
35:17
Speaker 1: You. Look, my job is to remain truthful through all
35:21
Speaker 1: of it, and to be truthful on camera and to
35:23
Speaker 1: like just be like myself, I stay out of the
35:25
Speaker 1: editing room, and there's some truth to that. Yeah, this
35:28
Speaker 1: is definitely something that's truncated to thirty minute episodes for
35:32
Speaker 1: people to consume and enjoy. But I'm truthful in it.
35:38
Speaker 1: That's what's important to me, that I'm truthful and I'm
35:40
Speaker 1: really going through these things, like none of that's made up,
35:43
Speaker 1: none of that's for the show, none of that's for
35:45
Speaker 1: the camera. Like these things, I'm really going through real
35:48
Speaker 1: problems in my life.
35:49
Speaker 3: What is this show doing for you that therapy can.
35:52
Speaker 1: Been using it as a form of therapy, because therapy
35:56
Speaker 1: is exploring yourself and exploring your past, but it's not
36:01
Speaker 1: necessarily confrontation. I still needed a tool to be confident
36:07
Speaker 1: enough to have a conversation with my dad that I'd
36:10
Speaker 1: be terrified having otherwise, Like you know, if I'm home
36:13
Speaker 1: in North Carolina, I'm just like, you know, smiling, being
36:16
Speaker 1: a good son, being the son that they want me
36:18
Speaker 1: to be. And I'm not saying the real things, asking
36:22
Speaker 1: the real questions when the camera's on. I've become like
36:25
Speaker 1: a journalist for my own life, Like no, no, no, what's
36:27
Speaker 1: that shit you said? Ninety eight? You know, I get
36:29
Speaker 1: real real, but but without the cameras. I'm afraid you
36:34
Speaker 1: think if y'all did family there, but you think you
36:36
Speaker 1: would be still afraid, Like, yeah, I want to get
36:38
Speaker 1: my family to well. I think individual is really important
36:41
Speaker 1: because you need to work on yourself and you bring
36:43
Speaker 1: that to your life, you bring that to the people
36:44
Speaker 1: in your life. I think that's really really important. And
36:47
Speaker 1: it's funny because therapy is one of those things. I know,
36:48
Speaker 1: you talk about it a lot, and it's easy, Like
36:52
Speaker 1: I don't want people to get a negative like I know,
36:54
Speaker 1: like some of the comments would be like, oh, everybody's
36:56
Speaker 1: always talking about therapy, but those are people that need
36:58
Speaker 1: therapy the most. But like, it's an excuse to talk
37:02
Speaker 1: about yourself, that's all it is. It's just an excuse
37:05
Speaker 1: to explore things in your life that you wouldn't normally
37:07
Speaker 1: explore things that you and those things manifest as health problems,
37:10
Speaker 1: they manifest in in ways that you wouldn't imagine. They
37:13
Speaker 1: manifest problems in your relationship, problems with raising your kids. Like,
37:17
Speaker 1: these things are real, they'll come out. It doesn't just
37:20
Speaker 1: stay bottled in. It harms your body, it harms your spirit.
37:23
Speaker 1: So it's worth talking about. And I want my family
37:26
Speaker 1: to do it. I think that it would be beneficial
37:28
Speaker 1: to all of us. But I'm doing it. That's really
37:30
Speaker 1: really important that I'm doing it. I'm I'm working on
37:33
Speaker 1: myself constantly.
37:34
Speaker 3: You do show how much of a shitty friend you
37:36
Speaker 3: are too?
37:37
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, what you did? I know? I know. Can
37:39
Speaker 1: I tell you you can't be a best man in
37:41
Speaker 1: a wedding and show up an hour later? Yeah, to
37:43
Speaker 1: the wedding.
37:44
Speaker 3: It's not your wedding and then compare it to jury duty? Why?
37:47
Speaker 3: You know?
37:48
Speaker 1: Look when is it heart? Because I'm a performer, and
37:53
Speaker 1: so I look at weddings as a show, like, all right,
37:55
Speaker 1: what is this show that we're going to? But but
37:58
Speaker 1: I I love Pool and you know, I actually got
38:01
Speaker 1: to Ahad. We've been talking a lot. I hope that
38:04
Speaker 1: he liked the episode. Like he's a very sweet, thoughtful
38:08
Speaker 1: friend and inspired me so much, And so I know
38:11
Speaker 1: I was a bad friend. Again. It's hard exposed like
38:13
Speaker 1: the show. I'm like the villain of my own show.
38:15
Speaker 1: I'm Eric Kane on my own show. Like I'm like
38:17
Speaker 1: people are like because I'm exposed, I'm exposing myself in
38:21
Speaker 1: a real way, Like the like some of the worst
38:23
Speaker 1: parts of myself I'm putting out there unedited, just like
38:26
Speaker 1: letting it, letting the world see and judge and criticize.
38:29
Speaker 1: But I feel bad for that, like I felt bad
38:32
Speaker 1: an episode of It's something I'm deeply apologetic for. I'm learning.
38:36
Speaker 1: I'm still growing. I'm learning to not be as selfish. Sure,
38:40
Speaker 1: that's a means of self protection. Like I'm selfish because
38:42
Speaker 1: I'm scared. Uh, And I'm learning not be as afraid.
38:46
Speaker 5: What about with jazz? How are things with jazz.
38:48
Speaker 1: Just as good? Isn't she a good actress?
38:51
Speaker 5: Was she acting?
38:52
Speaker 3: For real?
38:52
Speaker 1: She's crying on command? She's so good?
38:54
Speaker 3: So I was not crying on command.
38:58
Speaker 1: She's good, she's good. Listen, listen, if I may say
39:01
Speaker 1: so myself, I got a good eye. You know, you
39:04
Speaker 1: you the lead just but you know it is another
39:06
Speaker 1: justice out there. It's pretty big. Another thing you say
39:09
Speaker 1: on the show is being honest is cool until you
39:11
Speaker 1: have a reason to lie. Yeah, it's well because it's
39:16
Speaker 1: like I was living alone and I was the most
39:19
Speaker 1: honest that I'd ever been. I was just like I
39:22
Speaker 1: had no one could, no one was going home with me,
39:25
Speaker 1: so there was no there was no reason to like
39:30
Speaker 1: lie to protect. But then I got into a relationship.
39:32
Speaker 1: I finally, I mean, it took me a long time.
39:34
Speaker 1: Took me thirty five years to find someone that I
39:36
Speaker 1: love deeply to be in a loving relationship. I'm so
39:39
Speaker 1: proud of it. I love them very much. And out
39:42
Speaker 1: of that love, sometimes I can fall into traps where
39:45
Speaker 1: I'm lying about myself because I want to protect the relationship.
39:49
Speaker 1: It's a habit, it's a real masculine habit. Or I'm lying,
39:52
Speaker 1: but I'm the protector, Like I'm lying for a good reason.
39:56
Speaker 1: You kind of justify it, and some like lies b
40:00
Speaker 1: omission are there's still lies. He's like, but I when
40:04
Speaker 1: I have someone that I care about, somebody that I love,
40:08
Speaker 1: it's easy to slip into that old habit of of
40:11
Speaker 1: of lying because I want I want him to feel
40:13
Speaker 1: good about me. I his image of me is really
40:16
Speaker 1: really important to me.
40:18
Speaker 3: And he says, it's hard to tell the truth to
40:19
Speaker 3: people you love.
40:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you not feel that way? Do you not
40:22
Speaker 1: feel that way? Sometimes? Like like yeah, because the consequences
40:25
Speaker 1: are so the stakes are so high. I say that
40:28
Speaker 1: to my mom, Like like, sometimes I'm talking to my
40:30
Speaker 1: mom I'm like, hey, be careful what you say to me,
40:31
Speaker 1: because I'll remember it for the rest of my life.
40:34
Speaker 1: Every word that she says. It's so curious. Yeah yeah,
40:38
Speaker 1: but some.
40:39
Speaker 3: Things I feel like need to be said.
40:42
Speaker 1: Yeah some things. Yeah, some things, But you know it takes. Look,
40:46
Speaker 1: you want to say the truth with love and care,
40:48
Speaker 1: you know, but you the truth needs to come out.
40:50
Speaker 1: You don't want to hold onto anything. And sometimes lashing
40:54
Speaker 1: out isn't truthful. Sometimes lashing out.
40:56
Speaker 3: Is just you emotion.
40:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're being emotional about not saying the truth, like
41:01
Speaker 1: you're actually doing the opposite of absolutely is Michael an
41:06
Speaker 1: industry plant? Yeah? What what was that? Who said that
41:11
Speaker 1: we got? We got? Uh? Was that? Like a Corey
41:14
Speaker 1: holcom thing?
41:15
Speaker 5: Is love?
41:19
Speaker 1: I wish? Is that energy on a special? Cory is
41:22
Speaker 1: so funny? Corey? Corey is so funny. I was like,
41:25
Speaker 1: laughed so hard at Corey just when I was a
41:27
Speaker 1: young comic, like just watching them and it's like, man,
41:30
Speaker 1: you got like, don't get old. Yeah, his audience has
41:33
Speaker 1: to be Yeah, it's like Jesus Christy, I mean funny,
41:36
Speaker 1: it's funny, But but are you am I an industry plant?
41:42
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I wish the Illuminati was real. I
41:45
Speaker 1: wish that I could be a plant. I had fucking
41:47
Speaker 1: sign up in a heartbeat. No, I actually, unfortunately, I
41:50
Speaker 1: had to work hard to get where I am at
41:52
Speaker 1: the like like think and expose. I'm exposing so much
41:55
Speaker 1: of my life. That's the thing. Like sometimes you get
41:57
Speaker 1: these criticism from people who've made nothing, and I'm like,
42:00
Speaker 1: you know, that's what's offensive to me. It's like, no
42:02
Speaker 1: focus on your own work. I've worked very, very hard
42:05
Speaker 1: to get where I am. And but yeah, if I
42:08
Speaker 1: could have sucked the dick to get to the top,
42:09
Speaker 1: I suck because you want to do it. No, I'm
42:14
Speaker 1: joking saying. I'm saying as a joke. I'm saying as
42:17
Speaker 1: a job like like like like I talk cause Littlerell
42:20
Speaker 1: was defending you on clubs. You know. You know the
42:22
Speaker 1: funny thing too, you know. I also like if I
42:25
Speaker 1: make now sound like a rapper, But like like a
42:28
Speaker 1: lot of these comedians who like criticized me, it's like no, no,
42:30
Speaker 1: Like before I came out, coming out was the hardest
42:33
Speaker 1: thing I ever did in my life. I was like afraid.
42:35
Speaker 1: I also I had multiple specials. I had uh sitcom
42:39
Speaker 1: on NBC that ran for three three seasons. I had
42:42
Speaker 1: I was faking. I was getting other people shows like
42:44
Speaker 1: I was. I was more successful than I'm straight. So
42:48
Speaker 1: then to pretend that like, oh, like he came out,
42:51
Speaker 1: like that's silly, that's silly. I don't even entertain that.
42:53
Speaker 1: It feels like you've been trying to come out like
42:55
Speaker 1: the past three h field things you did though, because
42:57
Speaker 1: there was the other it was another reality show that
42:59
Speaker 1: was kind of even oh like the well, well I
43:02
Speaker 1: did documentaries about my life. Yeah, yeah, that was like
43:04
Speaker 1: that was my soft launch.
43:09
Speaker 3: Yeah.
43:10
Speaker 2: Yeah.
43:10
Speaker 1: People were just like kind of dispisted, but whatever. In
43:12
Speaker 1: the stand up, well, that's when I was being truthful.
43:15
Speaker 1: I said it like it was. It was truthful. I
43:17
Speaker 1: said it ten tolls down, like this is who I am.
43:20
Speaker 1: And it's a hard thing. It's scary. Revealing something about
43:23
Speaker 1: yourself is really really scary. And that's that's the thing.
43:25
Speaker 1: Like with criticisms, I'm like, listen, look at yourself, look
43:28
Speaker 1: at your own art. If you are to criticize me,
43:30
Speaker 1: please make sure you're making art that you care about
43:33
Speaker 1: more than a podcast, more than any of these things.
43:36
Speaker 1: Make sure you're making a tangible thing that people care
43:39
Speaker 1: about before you start attacking me.
43:41
Speaker 3: I don't think being gay on TV is as shocking
43:43
Speaker 3: as it once was.
43:45
Speaker 1: It was shocking in my personal life. That's all I care. Like.
43:48
Speaker 1: The art that I make is about the difficulty that
43:50
Speaker 1: I had. I'd tell my mother that and that's hard.
43:54
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like sure, like yeah, maybe yeah, maybe the
43:57
Speaker 1: landscape is changed. I'm thankful for any gay person. And
44:00
Speaker 1: it came out before. That made it a little bit
44:01
Speaker 1: easier for me, but it was still a very difficult
44:04
Speaker 1: thing to reveal about my life. And there you know
44:07
Speaker 1: that's that's not easy. It wasn't easy. I can tell
44:10
Speaker 1: you're ready to go back. I want to ask because
44:11
Speaker 1: you just mentioned something. You said that you had all
44:13
Speaker 1: of this great stuff going on before you came out.
44:15
Speaker 1: So do you feel like coming out as gay is
44:17
Speaker 1: taking away the focus on on everything.
44:21
Speaker 3: You've done in your career?
44:22
Speaker 1: Now still exists streaming on Hulu? What's My Man? What
44:26
Speaker 1: happened to you? Mac? Was out there?
44:28
Speaker 3: I google you? What's gonna come up to say?
44:31
Speaker 1: What you said? If you google Dave, it's all transgender
44:33
Speaker 1: stuff things I talked about. Watch the show. I hope
44:36
Speaker 1: people watch the show like if you if you see
44:38
Speaker 1: the show, you'll see the truth. You know, I'm confident
44:40
Speaker 1: in that, Like you know, I think this, like up top,
44:43
Speaker 1: I was just upset because something untrue. Was I say
44:46
Speaker 1: enough things, enough true things to talk about, like I
44:50
Speaker 1: don't need any lies, like like I don't need any
44:54
Speaker 1: of that. But yeah, I'm I'm making art about my
44:58
Speaker 1: life and and I'm really proud out of it. I
45:00
Speaker 1: hope people watch the show. That that's the important thing.
45:03
Speaker 1: I tent you out episodes. Please send it just and
45:05
Speaker 1: is it an episode of the show.
45:07
Speaker 2: Damn me, I'm sitting online looking at clips, looking at
45:11
Speaker 2: stand ups that you've done because they.
45:14
Speaker 1: Know each other, we've met before, about you in the shower,
45:19
Speaker 1: you in the showers, and they just send me anything
45:22
Speaker 1: wanted you old himself.
45:26
Speaker 3: Because it comes on I mean after Bill ma.
45:28
Speaker 1: I mean I liked, but it also comes on after
45:31
Speaker 1: Bill mar which is a great leader. Yeah, I'm already
45:33
Speaker 1: watching TV on. I think the show is funny, kind
45:38
Speaker 1: of funny, funny like man, y'all so straight. Yeah, it's
45:46
Speaker 1: just Paul funny, like Jesus Christ, you are so straight.
45:51
Speaker 7: Congratulations call Michael, ladies and doing that brought you a candle.
46:08
Speaker 7: Thank you very much and I have to check out
46:09
Speaker 7: the reality show Fridays on HBO Max.
46:11
Speaker 4: Thank you brother for joining us, Thanks for having me
46:14
Speaker 4: very much.
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Speaker 1: Wake that answer up in the morning Breakfast Club