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- 0:03Speaker 1: At four forty seven in the morning, a Road Greater
- 0:06Speaker 1: operator named Ronda Weber was running her machine along Fenwick
- 0:11Speaker 1: Mill Road when her headlights caught something in the mud
- 0:14Speaker 1: beside the asphalt. She stopped. She climbed down. What she
- 0:18Speaker 1: picked up was a university faculty ID card. The photograph
- 0:23Speaker 1: showed a man in his early thirties. The name printed
- 0:26Speaker 1: beneath it was doctor Eric Porter, but the card had
- 0:29Speaker 1: two magnetic strips where there should only be one. Someone
- 0:33Speaker 1: had rebuilt it. Rondo Weber had driven that stretch of
- 0:37Speaker 1: road for eleven years. She knew what belonged there and
- 0:41Speaker 1: what did not. She called the non emergency line at
- 0:44Speaker 1: six oh four that morning, and the badge sat in
- 0:47Speaker 1: a property queue for nineteen days before a forensic psychologist
- 0:51Speaker 1: named Janet Bishop pulled it out and understood what she
- 0:56Speaker 1: was looking at. That single object, a faculty ID card
- 1:00Speaker 1: with a duplicate strip, discarded in the dark along a
- 1:04Speaker 1: county road, would eventually unravel a scheme that had been
- 1:07Speaker 1: running for nearly a decade, a scheme so precise, so patient,
- 1:12Speaker 1: that its primary target had spent years assuming he was
- 1:15Speaker 1: simply losing his mind. This is the story of doctor
- 1:18Speaker 1: Eric Porter, and of the man who spent nine years
- 1:21Speaker 1: dismantling his reality from the inside. Eric Porter arrived at
- 1:26Speaker 1: Alderman University nine years before Ronda Weber found that badge.
- 1:31Speaker 1: He was thirty one years old. He had just defended
- 1:34Speaker 1: a dissertation on predictive modeling in cognitive load theory, and
- 1:38Speaker 1: Alderman had recruited him specifically because his work was unusual,
- 1:43Speaker 1: genuinely novel in a field where novelty is rare. Colleagues
- 1:47Speaker 1: described him as methodical, trusting, the kind of researcher who
- 1:52Speaker 1: color coded his draft folders and answered emails the same
- 1:55Speaker 1: day they arrived. Every morning, without exception, Eric walked three
- 1:59Speaker 1: mins miles before his first meeting. The route never changed.
- 2:03Speaker 1: He always touched the stone wall of Hollow Tower with
- 2:06Speaker 1: his left hand as he passed it. Not a superstition,
- 2:10Speaker 1: just a rhythm. His neighbor, Frank Moody, a retired school
- 2:14Speaker 1: principal of seventy three, noticed that Eric's Tuesday evenings were
- 2:18Speaker 1: sacred chess dinner conversation. Frank would later say that Eric
- 2:24Speaker 1: was the most consistently present person he knew, someone who
- 2:28Speaker 1: showed up exactly when and where. He said he would
- 2:32Speaker 1: that quality of predictability, it turns out, was something Ralph
- 2:36Speaker 1: Rogers had noticed too. Rogers was forty six when he
- 2:40Speaker 1: and Eric first met. He held the title Director of
- 2:43Speaker 1: Academic Technology Services, a position that sat adjacent to faculty
- 2:48Speaker 1: without belonging to it. He managed the university's digital infrastructure, servers,
- 2:54Speaker 1: repository access, credential systems, the quiet machinery that keeps research moving.
- 3:00Speaker 1: A colleague named doctor Wendy Cho described Rogers as aggressively competent.
- 3:07Speaker 1: The phrase is precise. He did not charm people so
- 3:11Speaker 1: much as overwhelm them with usefulness. Over the four months
- 3:15Speaker 1: following their introduction, Rogers made himself indispensable to Eric. He
- 3:20Speaker 1: attended department events he had no technical reason to attend.
- 3:24Speaker 1: He solved small problems before Eric had fully articulated them.
- 3:28Speaker 1: By February of that year, he had joined the Tuesday
- 3:31Speaker 1: chess dinners at Frank Moody's house, welcomed by Eric and
- 3:35Speaker 1: apparently at ease with both men immediately. Nothing about any
- 3:39Speaker 1: of this appeared unusual at the time. What was not visible,
- 3:43Speaker 1: what would only become visible years later through subpoenaed logs
- 3:48Speaker 1: and forensic reconstruction, was that Rogers had done this before
- 3:52Speaker 1: four positions at three institutions across fifteen years. At each one,
- 3:58Speaker 1: a faculty member in a technical or scientific field had
- 4:01Speaker 1: experienced what the records described as unexplained professional stagnation. Grants
- 4:07Speaker 1: that never materialized, papers that seemed to vanish from consideration,
- 4:11Speaker 1: colleagues who quietly overtook researchers who had once been ahead
- 4:15Speaker 1: of them. None of it was investigated as a crime.
- 4:18Speaker 1: Each institution processed it as an administrative irregularity and moved on.
- 4:24Speaker 1: Doctor Paul Strickland was a material scientist at one of
- 4:27Speaker 1: those prior institutions. When a journalist reached him by phone
- 4:31Speaker 1: years later, Strickland was forty four years old and running
- 4:35Speaker 1: a hardware store. He said he had left academia because
- 4:38Speaker 1: the work had simply stopped going anywhere he had always assumed.
- 4:42Speaker 1: He said that he just was not as good as
- 4:45Speaker 1: he had thought he was. That sentence would mean something
- 4:48Speaker 1: very different. By the time Rogers's trial was over. Back
- 4:52Speaker 1: at Alderman, Eric Porter had no reason to question the friendship.
- 4:56Speaker 1: Rogers was helpful on the present, consistent. He understood the
- 5:01Speaker 1: pressures of academic publishing in a way that most administrators
- 5:05Speaker 1: did not, and when Eric began slowly then more noticeably,
- 5:09Speaker 1: to feel that his research momentum was slipping, Rogers was
- 5:13Speaker 1: always there to explain it. Parallel development was common. Rogers
- 5:18Speaker 1: told him the field was simply moving fast. The self
- 5:22Speaker 1: doubt that crept into Eric's work over the following years
- 5:25Speaker 1: felt to Eric like his own. It was not his own.
- 5:29Speaker 1: The self doubt that crept into Eric Porter's work felt
- 5:33Speaker 1: to Eric like his own. It was not his own.
- 5:36Speaker 1: The first anomalous image is small a time stamp. Eleven
- 5:41Speaker 1: seventeen at night, on a Tuesday in Autumn, seven years
- 5:45Speaker 1: before anyone found anything on Fenwick Mill Road, the university's
- 5:50Speaker 1: digital repository logged in access to Eric's unpublished draft files.
- 5:55Speaker 1: The credentials belonged to Ralph Rodgers, director of Academic tech
- 6:00Speaker 1: Anology Services, with routine elevated access to faculty storage. One
- 6:04Speaker 1: access late at night before a colloquium where Eric was
- 6:09Speaker 1: scheduled to present. That single access would have meant nothing
- 6:12Speaker 1: in isolation, but it was not isolated. Over the following
- 6:17Speaker 1: five years, the repository logged seventeen instances, always Roger's credentials,
- 6:23Speaker 1: always late Between eleven at night and two in the morning,
- 6:29Speaker 1: always in the weeks before Eric had a presentation or
- 6:32Speaker 1: submission deadline. Seventeen accesses, seventeen windows into unpublished work that
- 6:39Speaker 1: Eric believed was private, and seventeen papers began appearing in
- 6:43Speaker 1: the academic record under a different name. The name was THEO. Larkin,
- 6:48Speaker 1: a graduate student well regarded serious about his research. Larkin
- 6:53Speaker 1: had no idea where the foundational material in his papers
- 6:57Speaker 1: had originated. Rogers had recruited him, godded him, framed the
- 7:01Speaker 1: work as collaborative development. To Larkin, it was an opportunity
- 7:06Speaker 1: to anyone examining the repository logs against the publication dates.
- 7:10Speaker 1: It was something else entirely. But here is the thing.
- 7:13Speaker 1: Nobody examined those logs for years, because nobody knew they
- 7:17Speaker 1: needed to. Eric raised his concerns twice. Both times he
- 7:22Speaker 1: walked away reassured. The first conversation was with doctor Hugh Satterley,
- 7:27Speaker 1: the department chair, who later recalled that Rogers had been
- 7:31Speaker 1: present in the room. Rogers listened, carefully, nodded, and offered
- 7:35Speaker 1: the explanation that parallel development was common in fast moving fields.
- 7:40Speaker 1: The second conversation followed the same shape. Eric left the
- 7:44Speaker 1: second meeting feeling, according to Saturly, genuinely comforted. Rogers had
- 7:50Speaker 1: been present at that meeting too. Both times, the person
- 7:53Speaker 1: Eric was describing sat in the room and helped explain
- 7:56Speaker 1: why Eric was wrong to be concerned. There is a
- 7:59Speaker 1: second image, which quieter than the time stamps, but harder
- 8:02Speaker 1: to explain. A faculty ID card, specifically a replacement faculty
- 8:08Speaker 1: ID card for doctor Eric Porter, processed through the campus
- 8:12Speaker 1: card office by a part time staffer named Marcus Teal.
- 8:16Speaker 1: Eric had not requested a replacement, his original card was
- 8:20Speaker 1: in his wallet, where it had always been. The replacement
- 8:23Speaker 1: was processed on a form that Teal later confirmed he
- 8:26Speaker 1: could not verify had come from Eric directly that card
- 8:30Speaker 1: began moving. Over three years, the Cognitive Science Buildings server
- 8:35Speaker 1: room logged forty one after hours entry events attributed to
- 8:39Speaker 1: Eric's card, forty one times that room was opened in
- 8:43Speaker 1: the middle of the night, and forty one times Eric
- 8:46Speaker 1: Porter was somewhere else entirely, his walk logs and phone
- 8:50Speaker 1: location data placing him at home or asleep, or on
- 8:55Speaker 1: his three mile morning route past Hollow Tower. Someone with
- 8:59Speaker 1: Eric's card was in that server room. Eric was not
- 9:02Speaker 1: the financial thread was thinner but precise. Two consulting payments
- 9:07Speaker 1: fees routed through a university vendor arrangement had been redirected
- 9:12Speaker 1: to an LLC. The LLC had been established using Eric's
- 9:16Speaker 1: name and a variant of his signature. Rogers had established it.
- 9:20Speaker 1: The money never reached Erik. It reached an account he
- 9:23Speaker 1: did not know existed, tied to paperwork he had never signed.
- 9:28Speaker 1: By this point, Janet Bishop had six weeks and a
- 9:31Speaker 1: stack of subpoenaed records. She had the repository logs. She
- 9:36Speaker 1: had the card office documentation. She had the server room
- 9:40Speaker 1: entries contradicted line by Eric's own movement data. She had
- 9:44Speaker 1: the journal submission records e mails sent in Eric's name
- 9:48Speaker 1: or through Roger's role as faculty liaison, withdrawing papers, resubmitting
- 9:53Speaker 1: under Larkin, adjusting bylines in ways that left no visible fingerprint.
- 9:58Speaker 1: Unless you had the out going mail logs from three
- 10:01Speaker 1: different open access journals, all subpoened. She had the full
- 10:05Speaker 1: shape of it. What she did not yet have was
- 10:08Speaker 1: the moment that broke it open. First. That moment had
- 10:12Speaker 1: happened in April, two months before Ronda Weber stopped her
- 10:15Speaker 1: road Raider on Fenwick Mill Road. Frank Moody was seventy
- 10:20Speaker 1: three years old, a retired school principal, and he played
- 10:23Speaker 1: chess with Eric Porter on Tuesday evenings. He had watched
- 10:27Speaker 1: Rogers come and go from Eric's life for years. He
- 10:31Speaker 1: had watched Eric's confidence erode in ways that Frank could
- 10:34Speaker 1: not quite name, but could not stop noticing. And in April,
- 10:38Speaker 1: something Rogers said made Frank Moody reach into his shirt
- 10:42Speaker 1: pocket and press record on his phone. The recording runs
- 10:46Speaker 1: twelve minutes in it, Rogers tells Eric that the investigation
- 10:50Speaker 1: the university has just opened a preliminary inquiry into publication irregularities,
- 10:56Speaker 1: is being conducted by people who do not understand the
- 10:59Speaker 1: technical complexity of Eric's field. Rogers tells Eric that the
- 11:03Speaker 1: stress is clearly affecting his health. Rogers suggests that a
- 11:07Speaker 1: medical leave would protect Eric's reputation while the situation resolves itself.
- 11:12Speaker 1: Rogers recommends gently that Eric consider allowing THEO. Larkin to
- 11:17Speaker 1: take formal authorship of the disputed papers, at least temporarily,
- 11:22Speaker 1: to reduce the administrative burden on Eric while he recovers,
- 11:27Speaker 1: and four times in twelve minutes, Rogers says I'm the
- 11:31Speaker 1: only one who actually understands what you're dealing with. Not once,
- 11:37Speaker 1: four times. Frank Moody gave the recording to Eric's physician.
- 11:41Speaker 1: The physician gave it to the provost, The provost gave
- 11:45Speaker 1: it to Janet Bishop, and within days of Rogers learning
- 11:48Speaker 1: that an investigation had been formally opened, he drove to
- 11:52Speaker 1: Fenwick Mill Road and discarded a box of materials from
- 11:56Speaker 1: his car. What Rogers did not know, or perhaps didnay
- 12:00Speaker 1: not considered, was that Ronda Webber drove that stretch of
- 12:03Speaker 1: road every morning. She had driven it for eleven years.
- 12:08Speaker 1: Picture what Rogers must have imagined. A back road before dawn,
- 12:12Speaker 1: a box dropped at the shoulder, a problem disappearing into
- 12:16Speaker 1: the dark Instead. At four forty seven in the morning,
- 12:20Speaker 1: Weber's road greater swept through the area. She stopped. She
- 12:24Speaker 1: got out. She found the badge, a Faculty ID card
- 12:27Speaker 1: bearing two photographs where there should have been one. She
- 12:31Speaker 1: called the non emergency line at six oh four. The
- 12:34Speaker 1: badge sat in a queue for nineteen days before Janet
- 12:38Speaker 1: Bishop pulled it. Two faces on one card, one of
- 12:42Speaker 1: them belonged to Eric Porter, the other did not look
- 12:46Speaker 1: like Eric at all. Now consider what that card meant
- 12:49Speaker 1: in the context of what Bishop already had. The server
- 12:52Speaker 1: room entries attributed to Eric, forty one of them, each
- 12:57Speaker 1: contradicted by Eric's own location data, suddenly had a mechanism.
- 13:02Speaker 1: Someone had been using a card with Eric's credentials and
- 13:05Speaker 1: a different face. Someone had walked into that room, and
- 13:09Speaker 1: the log said it was Eric, and it was not.
- 13:13Speaker 1: The image that had looked like fraud looked like something
- 13:16Speaker 1: more specific. Now it looked like systematic erasure. Each access
- 13:21Speaker 1: built a paper record of Eric as the active user
- 13:24Speaker 1: of his own research infrastructure at times when Eric was
- 13:28Speaker 1: never there. If the scheme had run its course, that
- 13:31Speaker 1: record would have remained Eric's name on after hours access logs.
- 13:35Speaker 1: He could not explain a consulting LLC in his name.
- 13:39Speaker 1: He had never operated papers in a graduate student's name
- 13:43Speaker 1: that carried his ideas without his knowledge. And at the
- 13:46Speaker 1: center of all of it, Rogers, present at every conversation
- 13:50Speaker 1: where Eric raised concerns, present at every reassurance, the only
- 13:55Speaker 1: person in Eric's professional life who consistently explained to Eric
- 13:59Speaker 1: why his instincts were wrong. Picture Rogers in that server room.
- 14:03Speaker 1: It is two in the morning. He uses a card
- 14:07Speaker 1: that says Eric Porter, he accesses files that belonged to
- 14:11Speaker 1: Eric Porter, he leaves. The log confirms that Eric Porter
- 14:15Speaker 1: was there. It is not dramatic, It is administrative. That
- 14:19Speaker 1: is exactly what makes it effective. One question remained for Bishop,
- 14:23Speaker 1: for the DA and eventually for the jury. Had this
- 14:27Speaker 1: been the plan from the beginning or had it evolved?
- 14:31Speaker 1: Had Rogers chosen Eric Porter specifically, or had opportunity shaped
- 14:35Speaker 1: the method. The answer came from the cell block, not
- 14:39Speaker 1: from any document Bishop had subpoened. Rogers had been assigned
- 14:43Speaker 1: to sell adjacent to Curtis Avery, an unrelated fraud defendant
- 14:47Speaker 1: awaiting his own trial. Over four days, Rogers described the
- 14:52Speaker 1: Alderman scheme in enough detail that Avery's attorney offered cooperation
- 14:56Speaker 1: to the prosecution. What Rogers said in that cell block
- 14:59Speaker 1: for filled in the one gap Bishop's records could not
- 15:03Speaker 1: the internal logic of the scheme narrated by its architect.
- 15:07Speaker 1: The records showed what had happened. Rogers in that cell
- 15:11Speaker 1: explained why he believed it had worked. He was wrong
- 15:15Speaker 1: about that, but the reasons he believed it had worked
- 15:18Speaker 1: illuminate something that the logs alone cannot show. Rogers had
- 15:22Speaker 1: not improvised. This the pattern across four positions at three institutions,
- 15:27Speaker 1: each one involving a technical or scientific researcher, each one
- 15:32Speaker 1: involving unexplained professional stagnation, was not coincidence and was not accident.
- 15:38Speaker 1: It was a method, refined, patient, and designed to leave
- 15:42Speaker 1: the target believing that the failure had come from within themselves.
- 15:45Speaker 1: Paul Strickland had believed it. He had left academia at
- 15:49Speaker 1: forty four, running a hardware store, certain only that his
- 15:52Speaker 1: work had stopped going anywhere. Eric Porter had believed it
- 15:56Speaker 1: for years. He had stopped submitting papers. Fourteen months before
- 16:00Speaker 1: the badge appeared on Fenwick Mill Road. He had reduced
- 16:03Speaker 1: his conference presentations. The self doubt had become indistinguishable from
- 16:08Speaker 1: his own voice. That was not an accident. That was
- 16:11Speaker 1: the design. The trial lasted eleven days. Rogers had walked
- 16:16Speaker 1: into the proffer's session and confessed. Three days later, he recanted.
- 16:21Speaker 1: The jury heard both things, the confession and the decision
- 16:25Speaker 1: to take it back, and returned verdicts on nine counts
- 16:28Speaker 1: wire fraud, identity fraud, theft of intellectual property. The recantation
- 16:33Speaker 1: have not helped him. What a man says freely and
- 16:36Speaker 1: then denies, saying tends to follow him into the deliberation room.
- 16:41Speaker 1: THEO Larkin co operated fully with investigators, His papers were retracted,
- 16:46Speaker 1: he was not charged. The record reflects that he had
- 16:49Speaker 1: believed himself a legitimate collaborator throughout Rogers had never told
- 16:54Speaker 1: him where the drafts originated. Larkin left Academia. Whether that
- 16:58Speaker 1: departure was chosen or compared by the weight of what
- 17:01Speaker 1: had been done in his name is not something the
- 17:03Speaker 1: court record's answer Janet Bishops six weeks of reconstruction had
- 17:08Speaker 1: surfaced something the DA had not initially anticipated. The financial layer.
- 17:13Speaker 1: Two consulting payments redirected to an LLC Rogers had registered
- 17:18Speaker 1: using a variant of Eric's signature and Eric's name, added
- 17:22Speaker 1: federal wire fraud to what might otherwise have been a
- 17:25Speaker 1: purely institutional matter. That detail the money is what transformed
- 17:30Speaker 1: an administrative irregularity into a federal case. Without it, Rogers
- 17:35Speaker 1: might have been processed the way his prior four targets
- 17:38Speaker 1: had been processed as a personnel problem, a transition a
- 17:42Speaker 1: file closed without charges. That distinction matters enormously. At three
- 17:47Speaker 1: prior institutions, the same pattern had played out a technical
- 17:52Speaker 1: or scientific faculty member, unexplained professional stagnation. Rogers moving on
- 17:58Speaker 1: within a few years, and not one of those incidents
- 18:01Speaker 1: had been investigated as a crime. They had been absorbed
- 18:04Speaker 1: as ordinary friction, the kind of friction that academic institutions
- 18:09Speaker 1: are very practiced at absorbing. Paul Strickland's name surfaced during
- 18:13Speaker 1: Bishop's background work. He had been a material scientist. He
- 18:17Speaker 1: was forty four when he was reached by phone, and
- 18:20Speaker 1: had been running a hardware store for years. His comment
- 18:23Speaker 1: that he had always assumed he simply was not as
- 18:26Speaker 1: good as he had thought arrived in Bishop's notes as
- 18:29Speaker 1: a single sentence. It carries more weight than almost anything
- 18:33Speaker 1: else in the case file. It carries that weight because
- 18:37Speaker 1: it is the intended outcome. Rogers had not designed a
- 18:40Speaker 1: scheme to steal credit and then leave a trail of
- 18:43Speaker 1: visibly damaged people behind him. He had designed a scheme
- 18:47Speaker 1: to steal credit and leave people who believe they had
- 18:50Speaker 1: simply stalled, People who internalized the failure as personal, people
- 18:55Speaker 1: who did not look for another explanation because the most
- 18:58Speaker 1: available explanation that their own abilities had not been sufficient,
- 19:02Speaker 1: felt true. Eric had felt it for fourteen months before
- 19:06Speaker 1: re rendez Eber stopped her road Greater on Fenwick Mill
- 19:09Speaker 1: Road at four forty seven in the morning. Eric had
- 19:12Speaker 1: not submitted a single paper. He had pulled back from conferences.
- 19:16Speaker 1: The self doubt had had enough time to calcify into
- 19:19Speaker 1: something that felt like self knowledge. Frank Moody seventy three,
- 19:24Speaker 1: a retired principal who had spent a career watching how
- 19:27Speaker 1: people speak to one another, had noticed. He had noticed
- 19:31Speaker 1: the phrase not once, four times in twelve minutes. He
- 19:35Speaker 1: had held his phone steady and let it record. That
- 19:40Speaker 1: recording reached a physician. The physician escalated it. The provost
- 19:45Speaker 1: contracted Janet Bishop Rogers, informed of the investigation, drove to
- 19:50Speaker 1: Fenwick Mill Road, and threw a box of materials from
- 19:54Speaker 1: his car into the dark. The badge landed in the
- 19:57Speaker 1: mud and stayed there until morning. Eric Porter returned to
- 20:01Speaker 1: Alderman University the following January. His papers were restored to
- 20:06Speaker 1: the academic record. The work attributed where it had always belonged,
- 20:10Speaker 1: Restored to the record. That phrase deserves a moment. The
- 20:15Speaker 1: research existed, it had always existed. What had been taken
- 20:20Speaker 1: was not the work itself, but the connection between the
- 20:23Speaker 1: work and the person who had produced it. What Rogers
- 20:27Speaker 1: had systematically dismantled was not Eric's output, but Eric's ability
- 20:32Speaker 1: to recognize his own output as his. That is a
- 20:35Speaker 1: precise and difficult thing to repair. A journal can reattach
- 20:40Speaker 1: a name to a paper. It cannot reattach the fourteen
- 20:44Speaker 1: months of silence, the withdrawn conference presentations, the point at
- 20:48Speaker 1: which Eric's own doubt became indistinguishable from his own voice.
- 20:53Speaker 1: Paul Strickland is still running the hardware store. The four
- 20:56Speaker 1: prior incidents at three institutions over fifteen years were never reclassified.
- 21:02Speaker 1: They remain in whatever administrative files still hold them, processed
- 21:06Speaker 1: as personnel irregularities, closed without charges. The people at the
- 21:11Speaker 1: center of those incidents were never formally identified as targets
- 21:15Speaker 1: of anything. If they are alive and aware of the
- 21:17Speaker 1: Rogers conviction, they received that information the same way anyone
- 21:21Speaker 1: does from outside after the fact, with no official acknowledgment
- 21:26Speaker 1: that what they experienced had an ad There is something
- 21:30Speaker 1: specifically corrosive about a method designed to make its target
- 21:33Speaker 1: the explanation for their own diminishment. The cruelty is structural.
- 21:38Speaker 1: It does not require Rogers to be present in the
- 21:41Speaker 1: room while the damage accumulates, it only requires that the
- 21:45Speaker 1: target keep interpreting their own silence as evidence of their
- 21:48Speaker 1: own limits. Frank Moody had known something was wrong before
- 21:52Speaker 1: he could have articulated what it was. A seventy three
- 21:56Speaker 1: year old man with a chessboard and a phone proved
- 21:59Speaker 1: to be the hin the entire case turned on. Eric
- 22:03Speaker 1: Porter walks three miles every morning. He still touches the
- 22:07Speaker 1: hollow tower wall with his left hand when he passes it.
- 22:10Speaker 1: That detail is small, It matters anyway. Some things survive
- 22:14Speaker 1: what was done to them. This show is made by Obamedia.