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Episode 55: We Bring the Feels while Reviewing Episode 4 of the Obi-Wan Kenobi Series (SPOILER ALERT) · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello there, it's time for most things Kenobi.
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I prefer all things Kenobi but I suppose that's not the Jedi way
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as long as it's not all things Anakin.
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Hi everyone. Welcome to another episode of
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most things Kenobi. A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi
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and all things Star URS. I'm your host Leanne and I'm
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your host Lauren this week. We're going over episode 4 of
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the Kenobi series and everything that we felt it in this episode.
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We felt a lot of things. Yeah, this one was a little
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different. It was a little different but
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not bad different, just different.
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Yeah. Some of it could have been
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improved. Yeah, I would say that.
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I have mixed feelings about that episode.
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In general, I think, overall, I would say I loved it.
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But there are things same about it that I really didn't like or
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that I think could have been stronger.
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I will say. And as you and I have discussed
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part of it is like just my expectations.
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I need to manage. Yeah.
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And part of it is just like you really missed an opportunity
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there guys. Yes.
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I mean watching it through. I thoroughly enjoyed myself.
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I had yes. Moments where I was screaming
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and like, oh my gosh, what is happening?
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And then And of course, the end of the episode I was in tears.
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So yeah, the episode was great. And then you think about a few
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things and you're like, okay, it's like you said, you missed
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an opportunity here you could have maybe gone a little longer
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in this scene there. You know things right like well
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and it is the shortest episode so far.
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It's pretty short. It was like 30 minutes.
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Maybe yeah why when they could have yeah added I mean listen if
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you're given 50 minutes, use it. I don't get why, you know,
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unless there was shit, they had to cut, which all I can think is
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that if there was something cut, it might be because they had to
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change the editing of the last two episodes because there are
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rumors and and you and I don't generally buy into the rumor
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mill. We wait until we hear right from
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Lucasville. But rumors say that they had to
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re-edit the last episode because they're thinking of a season to
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which they originally had Had not been.
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So maybe they had to cut something out of this episode so
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that it made the last the new cut makes sense, but even so
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like, yeah, it feels like there's material missing.
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Yeah. Listen, I'm on board.
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If they're thinking forward, if it's done for a reason.
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I'm, I can always get on board with that.
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Like, forward thinkers. I'm here for please, for the
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love of God, in Star Wars, think forward because there is, this
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is where they have. I've done this.
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Yes yes but hmm what could those be LeeAnn?
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Yeah. What could those be anyway?
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Trying to stay positive positive?
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Things like Obi-Wan's getting his mojo back?
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So you someone compared it to like How Stella Got Her Groove
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Back, and it's like, how Obi-Wan Kenobi got his groove back.
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Oh it's so fun to see it. It was and there were true film.
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Moments, like filmography simnel cinematography lighting those
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elements. I was very pleased with.
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Yeah. Oh my gosh.
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Well, let's just dive right into the beginning, like the the
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beginning, the like Delirious, you know, taking him through to
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Japan him to beam. I don't know how to say it.
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Yeah, with him. Be yeah.
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Yeah. To the planet, Jim Beam where we
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all have cocktails. We all have a lot of alcohol.
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Great. He's everyone's happy and said,
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terrible old country music songs playing in the background as you
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soak in your back to tank but I digress.
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Welcome back to take. Now, I can't stop laughing.
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It's the Jukebox I hope extra Swayze is there in the
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background somewhere. No, he's back there somewhere.
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Roadhouse route. Yeah, like punching people
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anywho, we have diverged 45 minutes in fuck.
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Yeah, right the whole sequence. So it the back to tank was cool.
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Like the way it was intercut with like Anakin in his tank and
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ob1 in his and showing the burn. The on both their skin and the
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effect that has happened, but also that they're clearly like
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having this connection through the force.
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And it, yeah, didn't seem Pleasant for either of them like
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no, no, it was really cool to see that like and also, so
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fucking sad that these once Brothers cannot even bear.
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I need to feel connected anymore.
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I know it. That's What Hurts the Most when
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you think about this, just this specific moment.
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They're both in jail. I mean very injured in their own
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separate ways. They're both mentally injured as
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well by each other and how far they've come from the
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Brotherhood and the trusting of each other and the go through
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anything to save the other type of feeling that we got in the
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prequels and then, of course, throughout the Clone Wars series
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and it's it's just so depressing, but It was great how
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it was filmed, of course you spoke on expectations we wanted
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more wampie. Obi-Wan where he was kind of
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deliriously thinking or dreaming a fever dream of Clone Wars or
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Satine or anything. But yeah, I'm not mad at what we
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got, I'm just disappointed that we didn't get what we had hoped
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which there's a huge difference. People, you can still have a
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good episode and not get what you want.
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Yeah for sure. Like I I like what they're
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doing. I think it's really good.
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I do feel that it's very unlikely that we're going to get
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like if not now then when because I don't I don't know
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when I mean I mentioned that perhaps, you know, because they
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kind of move forward through that wake too quickly in our
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opinion. Yeah.
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Right. Hmm.
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They just went and while it's in character and totally on-brand
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for Obi-Wan Kenobi, to be like, listen, I'm okay, I we need to
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save us Skywalker. Like, it's totally on brand but
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maybe after he's done with his purpose of helping to save lay
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and get her back to the or Ghana's, maybe he'll have a
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moment where he reflects on some things.
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That's what I'm hoping. Yeah.
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That would be the only time I could see.
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It may be manifesting but I think we lost our, our Clone
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Wars moment maybe. Yeah, I think so too.
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And ultimately, I do think I am disappointed.
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With the fact that there was no time taken to discuss a like,
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larger implication of what happened to Obi-Wan like, it was
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a large large moment, drug Through Fire, and glass like and
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everybody's best friend, everyone that I talk to you
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said, this is the possibly, the most amazing thing I've seen in
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Star Wars ever. Yeah, the most violent, the most
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tormenting thing that Obi-Wan could go through And it makes
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the most sense. It's like the most poetic and
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then they don't say a fucking thing about it.
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They show it like it's rude. The the imagery showing that
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they're connected and everything and but like they're not talking
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about the emotional work that Obi-Wan would have to do to.
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Hmm. Like he just basically pops out
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of the back to tank. Never gets back in.
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It gets dressed and gets on the road to helping layout which
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Like you said, it's very on brand but this entire show has
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not leaned that way. You know, the whole through the
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whole show is implied. It's a slow character study and
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it's about the emotional depth at this character has never
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really gotten to show on screen and the first time they have a
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really perfect opportunity to let him actually speak about any
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kind of trauma that it character they doesn't.
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And of course, classic Obi-Wan It doesn't say a fucking thing,
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doesn't even act like his food and it's like, as audience.
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So we're waiting for that moment because you're showing us all
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the emotional baggage, he's carrying and then we don't get
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the validation of seeing him work through that he's just done
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and on his way. So, yeah, I felt disappointed in
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that not saying I don't like it. Like I still like it, I love the
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episode but that was I'm just like it was just an opportunity
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missed. And granted the shows not over
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and I will write correct with hopeful judgment until the very
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end. I'm They still have plenty of
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room to blow my fucking mind. So oh yeah.
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I mean I'm keeping the hope alive.
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What did have been perfectly placed in this episode in that
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moment? Damn right.
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It would have. Yeah so it feels a little like
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dare I say burn that they didn't add it in there.
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I mean maybe there's some other crazy shit we can't.
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Imagine I'm saying coming up but like there there are things that
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They know that we don't, I'm just going to leave it to the
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professionals, but as far as that particular opening scene,
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would I have liked to have seen more, absolutely about 10
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minutes more, what happened, 10 months more and, you know, to to
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just kind of speak on that a little more.
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He doesn't really have any money, really knows, well enough
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to talk to, so it could have been a moment where he could
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have reached out to Qui-Gon, because he's so alone, right?
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He's he's more connected with Leia, then He is from any of
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these you know, the tallest of the, the world.
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So it's being a newcomers that we met in this episode.
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He doesn't know them very well and this is a lot of baggage
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that he's carrying. So yeah, I really hope there is
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a moment coming, where maybe he turns inward and we get that so
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I'm not losing hope. No, I'm not either.
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I did hear that they had originally intended, Obi-Wan and
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tala to be like in love, sort of huh, what?
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it's not anymore but they had originally played with that idea
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and like I would have been fine with that but they decided to
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know if I would have they decided to not go that route but
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I mean nothing against Allah I think she's one badass bitch but
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like I think it would have taken away from the fact that we're,
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this is about Obi-Wan dealing with the past and his
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relationship with a brother that he is lost maybe in season two
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or three? Well maybe.
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Yeah, I mean, I'd be fine if I, the man needs some fucking like
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humanity. Take that shirt off.
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He saw you and Humanity. I went sexual.
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It's what it is. I was thinking take that shirt
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off out of a back to tank. Like what, whoa, what it's hot
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on. Eat anyway, sorry.
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It's so funny. It's so telling about both of
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us, right? Okay with it.
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If you are Laura. No, I am fine with it.
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Yeah, I mean, I've cheap I'd that we finally saw him without
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a shirt. Granted, it was under horrific
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circumstances. Like really they always give us
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what we asked. But like, with a Twist, we need
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to be very specific with how we asked.
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I think it's like just Being Obi-Wan without a shirt off,
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please? Yes.
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You're right. Work anymore.
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Is it? The rules of manifesting you
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need to be very specific. Yes, you do?
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Yes, you do. Oh my God.
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Yeah, I know the first time you and McGregor is actually likes
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it with muscles that he's like burnt to a crisp.
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He's burnt to a crisp and floating and backed.
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I mean, it's not what we wanted, but we asked for it somewhere.
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It is be careful what you wish for, okay?
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So after backed up He's dressed like he walks in dressed like a
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Jedi again. Yeah.
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And then, yeah, I again, like, we talked about this, in our we
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won Kenobi. Support group that we just had
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this morning which is great. You should sign up.
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If you haven't done it yet, you should definitely sign up.
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It's great. You're super fun but like no one
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on the show. Like says, it's like he just
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walked. Anyone?
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Tell him? Yeah, a captain off.
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Yes, take the Jedi, robes off. Like I know it's like I'm gonna
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Wear My lightsaber. I'm gonna just dress like I used
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to, in Attack of the Clones and I'm gonna have my same old
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haircut. No one's getting no big deal.
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Nothing to see here, folks. Keep it pushing, I guess I get
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it though. I mean, you could argue, he's
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becoming more of his Jedi roll, so put the Jedi robes on but
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bitch you're going into the the Palace of the inquisitors like
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maybe, Kind of possibly, maybe put something else grungy on so
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that no one knows like or uniform like dressed like one of
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them. Oh, man.
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That's not cool, but it doesn't. Tala have a spare.
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Granted, it was probably cut for a woman.
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I was gonna say it's clear that the peplum top.
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He could probably try and work that in a Peplum talk.
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I top, I'd pay money to see this journal.
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I need you to draw this. No wait, don't wait no pause.
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I'm not sure. I do want to see this.
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I'm changing my mind. What is wrong with us?
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Like God, I did like how it was great, though, which we also
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talked about in our group that like it's like what he wore in
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Attack of the Clones. It's almost that exact same
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tunic and tabard. The like the outside is great,
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but the inside is white, like, he's still good at his core even
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though he's going through all this trauma, basically.
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Yes. Like that, symbolism of it.
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We got some new characters in this episode we did.
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So what did you think of this new characters?
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I don't care about them but I understand why they're in it and
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I'd like to see more. I feel bad about the guy who
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sacrificed himself for All of this.
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Yeah, but I mean, that's the call.
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I'm not justifying it, but when you're in it, you're in it.
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And there's always that risk. Yeah, and it was just a shame
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that one of them had to had to die to save them.
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But what I really did like was the absolute horror on the
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female characters face after they came back, it was she had
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no words. She had nothing in her eyes.
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No, emotion on her face. That was legit.
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That was real. Yeah.
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And that's the kind of reaction. I would have if I lost a
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partner, a friend, a comrade and I liked the phrase.
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Like, well, guess your soldiers now and it's like, yeah.
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If you're going to do this, it's not just standing around in a
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back room plotting. It's actually getting out there
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and fighting because that's what's going to count.
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It takes both because if you think about it, Luke Skywalker
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was out there fighting doing Leah was the one plotting
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Planning getting resources where they needed to be inspiring, you
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know, that sort of thing. It takes all of those pieces.
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Yeah, but unfortunately, it's never without sacrifice yet.
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We see that in every single Star Wars movie at least and probably
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the show's to probably be like, you know, I mean, we won in a
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new hope that you just see it everywhere every single Episode
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has some great sacrifice made and it's always very
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heartbreaking, but you know rebellions are built on Hope but
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also a lot of blood, you know, and a lot of sacrifice.
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And this is like the very beginning of of that Rebellion.
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I know I think it shows like the mindset that people people have
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got to change their mindset instead of hiding.
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They have to start coming out and facing and dealing with
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this. Not just Obi-Wan but everyone
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who's fighting for the good. Mmm-hmm, everyone's really
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scared at this point. I don't think the fear goes away
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the longer than the war goes on in the Galaxy but you know, it's
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safety in numbers. So the more you have the more
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you feel like, okay, now we're fighting for a cause it's just
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very there on. Very perilous ground.
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Yeah. When there's only two or three
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banding together at a time. Yeah.
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Because there's way more Empire and they're way more visible
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which makes them Seems stronger, but as we saw a little girl, a
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badass Smart Cookie woman and Obi-Wan, the shadow of a Jedi.
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Basically, infiltrated rescued layer and got out of there.
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Yeah, so they're not they're not infallible which it was so fun
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to watch all of that because yeah, I was nervous.
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I was very nervous for tawa. I thought she wasn't going to
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make it out. Yeah, I really I thought she was
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going to be the Sacrifice. That was going to be me.
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I didn't want that. I didn't either lie like her
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character I do too because she is like the conscience.
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You know, she's the one who speaks just what we're all kind
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of like thinking and feeling where everyone around is very
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repressed and like, isn't ready to open up.
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She's just like, because she's already made that choice, right?
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She was in the Empire and realized her mistake and now
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she's trying to make amends and do the right thing mmm-hmm. so,
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I was I, I loved how she was just like Being a fucking boss
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from the minute, she walked in there and power stance.
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Boss, Bitch words, she looked him in the eye.
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I mean, you saw her falter she had to make a decision in that
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moment. Yeah.
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And then she just straighten her spine and spoke with authority.
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Send good acting very good because you have to see that
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transition in her eyes basically and like a just a little bit of
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her mouth moves, and you know, what's going on in her mind and
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then when she speaks there is no like Haitian in her voice.
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It's so good. I love when she said, then why
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am I wasting my time on you or know, right.
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Oh man is so great. I know and there's a lot of good
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facial acting in this one. Riva was another one when she
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was struggling to talk to Leia before they took her in that
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torture chamber. Yeah, you could see she didn't
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want to come on strong with a little girl.
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And in fact, she kind of alludes to I was in your position once
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and it makes me wonder about her character, right?
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Like, I got to know. I know I've got a really.
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I hope they reveal by the end of this.
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I hope they don't leave it. Like, it's looked at the
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audience decide for yourself, right?
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Like, no. Tell us.
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We want to know exactly how us happened.
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She's so fascinating because she was talking about, she had a
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Droid, she knows what it's like to be alone, and it's like, hmm,
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what does all of this mean? It's so exactly.
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And I loved when Leia, well, number one, she resisted with
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her own little force abilities that she didn't even know there
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was. She resisted Riva trying to get
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into her mind which fuckin AI love Leia and the like, is this
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a staring contest? Comment, I know like, oh my God.
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It's like this little girl doesn't even know how much power
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she has. Yeah, and she just says, like a
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kid, this is a staring contest. That would have pissed me off.
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Oh my God. I got so angry.
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If I was dreaming, I'm literally trying to enter your mind and
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you're saying, this is a staring contest, like a like, fuck you.
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Yeah. After me like step outside and
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cry. Rage tears.
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Before I went back and yeah, because real is real strong,
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right? Yeah.
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Real strong. I real effective.
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But then, then she tried to calm her method kind of reason level
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with Leo and a little on a little bit, almost worked.
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Yeah, but just like the layout, Ghana.
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We know, she resisted all the way.
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I mean she was going to the torture.
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She was gonna let that machine happen.
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What? A brave.
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Brave character belongs to God. This is everything I want.
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From my Leia Organa Skywalker in a character from start to
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finish, honestly. Yes.
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Did you like the parallel also? And I'm like, jumping a little
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ahead because I do want to talk about some other stuff that
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happens before this. But when ob1 rescues her and he
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takes her down off of the machine and they're standing
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face to. I faced the lighting is Empire.
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Strikes Back when Han gets put in carbonite and she says I
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didn't tell them anything. And Obi-Wan says I know.
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I did not catch that and you just gave me fucking Goosebumps
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because it's like, I love you. I know, is like the same
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lighting that I was just like, oh my God, and I didn't even
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think of this, it adds a whole new layer.
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Now, to that scene, in Empire, for Leia and I just like, oh, it
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made my heart turned to ice. Oh my, I am.
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I need a second. I didn't break that connection.
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I'm at the parable fan. No, you're not.
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I didn't I didn't notice it. I noticed the lighting the first
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time I watched it. I was like that really reminds
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me of, because that seed and Empires, so fucking iconic.
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But the it read like under lighting anybody, but then the
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dialogue didn't hit me till I watched it again and I was like
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that's like direct call back to what Han says her maid.
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Hartman really is just like, that's brilliant.
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Yeah, well, I just as just oh, when the lights go down and
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Obi-Wan's lightsaber is seen taking out the first Storm
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Trooper and then it goes dark and the other ones.
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Like, what the hell is going on, baby, there's no way up.
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It's like you're gonna die. Shut up.
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Yeah, you're gonna die too. And, here's how Obi-Wan lights
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is lightsaber again, and takes him out and it's just the
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lighting. And the the shot like it's shot
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from above. Of yeah, to get a wide scope.
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That gave me chills. Like it was so good to see him
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use that lightsaber again and I'm glad he's getting his mojo
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back. Yeah and like without the
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hesitation that we've been seeing, he just he just straight
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up kills two people like cinnamon bun.
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People know. This is proof that.
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No, it's like, yeah. He doesn't even like cut off
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limbs, you know, like he usually does he just straight up fucking
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kills them? And then he kills like a hallway
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of people leaders. Like he's definitely has no
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problems with. Let's let's talk about the
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hallway scene. I was getting I told you when I
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text you. I'm getting very big Citadel Arc
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vibes from the Clone Wars. Yes big time.
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Yes oh my gosh, I loved I loved it, I loved it.
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I did too, you said to and it's so true.
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I'm sure everybody notice it when he was doing, he does the
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like twirl and spin and then he like, rotates the blade.
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It gets back into his classic, Obi-Wan, opposed, and just for
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one second before, then he turns back to Leia.
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And it's like, the muscle memory is coming.
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Back is of the, like, the way he feels when he's working with a
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lightsaber and a lot, it's got to feel good, right?
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Because goddamn, does it look good?
24:39
I mean, it's Great to see you and a lightsaber again.
24:43
It's so nice. It's Obi-Wan live action.
24:46
Like, can you still believe we have this in our lives.
24:50
Currently? Yeah.
24:52
And the way he held that water back, oh my God.
24:57
That was I was so I have like a fear of water.
25:00
Like I don't like water because I've almost drowned like at
25:04
least once and right, that gave me like such bad heart.
25:08
Palpitations watching that scene.
25:10
Scene and even after watching it more than once, I still feel so
25:16
nervous during that. It's crazy.
25:18
It's so cool. So do you remember?
25:21
I thought it paralleled maybe not on purpose but it gave me
25:25
the parallel from the Clone Wars where Anakin held back fire.
25:29
Yeah. From Ahsoka.
25:31
And I believe it was a Le Sakura, right?
25:34
Yeah. On that ship.
25:35
And they learned to go and had the lurmen ark.
25:38
Yes. And he Right before, like they
25:41
had to end up crashing on that planet, but he held the fire
25:43
back until they were safe. Behind the door, just sprinted
25:48
towards the door and just barely made it.
25:51
And so I got it was interesting because that's fire and this was
25:55
water. Yeah.
25:56
The Anakin and Obi-Wan like yes. Opposing elements thing.
25:59
Also to see all of the colors there.
26:01
Blade every yes. Yes, yeah, yeah.
26:04
I loved it, too. I thought it was really cool.
26:06
I guess. So that in particular, and also
26:11
the scene in the torture chamber, whatever.
26:14
Like those are both direct call-outs to video games.
26:19
Correct. Yeah.
26:20
And also when I think it was either Riva, I think Riva was
26:25
walking with some Troopers. They were in black and that was
26:32
straight from yes. One of the was it Fallen order?
26:35
I don't have a played the game, but I saw that and I was like, I
26:39
love it. I love A nods to video games.
26:42
Yeah. Because they exist and they're,
26:44
they're part of the story, their Cannon.
26:45
So yes. Yeah.
26:47
So that was I mean, that's cool. I mean, apparently it's like a
26:50
direct ripoff and some people were saying to that, Sam Witwer,
26:56
right? And what were tweeted?
26:59
Hey, Obi-Wan stealing my moves. Always.
27:01
Yeah. It was it was Starkiller rights
27:05
doing the exact thing that Obi-Wan was doing in the room.
27:08
When he rescued layout, Right. Yes, correct.
27:11
Yeah. Which I'm not mad at either
27:14
know. I love influences.
27:16
Well, especially that too. Because Jedi Fallen, is that
27:19
that's not Jedi fall in order, but it's not at all.
27:22
Sam Witwer Force Unleashed course.
27:25
I knew it was something with an F.
27:26
Thank you. You're welcome.
27:28
It's just nice that they're like pulling stuff from Force
27:31
Unleashed because I don't even think it's considered Canon
27:33
anymore, right? So it's like that isn't I don't
27:37
think it is because a star killer.
27:39
Yeah. I'm not sure though love I do
27:42
jute like I just hmm. I just like that they nodded to
27:46
that and then the the calc Estes scene with the water right?
27:52
Isn't Cal the one who like, the water, I think I haven't played
27:55
the game so I'm not sure I could be misquoting.
27:57
But like they were also saying at the beginning everyone was
28:00
saying 20 be one like nobody's broken into the inquisitors
28:02
palace or whatever but apparently, calc Estes has.
28:07
So I just think it's It's interesting that they're making
28:11
a nod like directly to these video games, and then also kind
28:15
of like not tying it in correctly.
28:19
It's like, yeah, he has been there and according to some of
28:22
the people we talked to you today.
28:23
Like Vader knows Cal cast. This is.
28:26
Yeah, they're so yeah. I don't know.
28:28
That was kind of a weird. It was like almost like a
28:32
mistake but maybe those people didn't know about Cal I suppose
28:37
they should what we would maybe. Helped him.
28:41
I haven't played the game but I know his entire story, just
28:45
because I read about it. Oh, you did.
28:46
So yeah. I like I have to know.
28:50
Listen, I would play the game but I'm afraid of crying because
28:55
of his adorable little Droid that's always on his back and I
28:58
feel bad for it. So that's literally, the only
29:01
reason why I'm not playing it, but I've seen the scenes with
29:03
him and Vader fighting, and like, gives me a girl.
29:06
Boner, every single time I see any kind of Any kind of scene
29:11
from that which is makes me want to play the game.
29:14
So it's the, I got to make a decision.
29:16
You might have to just commit to it.
29:19
Well, there's a part 2 coming out.
29:20
They just missed part 2 of Fallen order.
29:23
So, anyway, we die. What did you think about Vader
29:27
faders? Small scene, which it was so
29:31
great to see him storm down a hallway.
29:33
Yeah, it's off to see him like be fucking scary is.
29:40
Gentry like a refreshing thing. She knows sounds weird, but it
29:45
really is because now it's like now when you watch the original
29:48
trilogy you know why everyone's fucking scared of that guy
29:52
exactly. Like you don't you don't get
29:56
that from the original material. So the fact that they're kind of
29:58
like backfilling that now and like showing us why he's so
30:02
fucking terrifying. It's really fun.
30:05
It's really fun. And did you happen to notice
30:07
that? He, I'm assuming he He called
30:10
all of his people together in order to have this moment with
30:13
Riva in front of everyone, he had all the other inquisitors,
30:16
the brothers and sisters there to stand, and watch the trial of
30:19
Riva if you will, while he addressed her, which is so, it's
30:24
so vader-like. I want everyone assembled to
30:27
watch how I'm going to end this bitch's life because she is
30:29
subordinate to me, acted subordinate to the rules and
30:33
stuff, but she had a plan. And now, poor little Lola, is
30:38
the damn tracking device. I know.
30:40
Which is so sad because Lola is actually a Droid that doesn't
30:44
annoy me. When she like, Leo will hold her
30:49
against her chest and her little wings.
30:50
Flutters, I love that. I think it's a it's actually
30:54
very sweet and she doesn't feel like it has.
30:56
Sometimes they put a Droid in because it feels like they're
30:58
trying to sell stuff. Yeah.
31:01
It's like oh another cute droid buy merch 100%.
31:07
But it seems like Leigh has only little friend because she knows.
31:10
Stacked apart in all the rest but she doesn't have to act the
31:13
part if she's with her Droid. Like I really like that.
31:16
It's a soothing, like, you know, you carry around your stuffed
31:19
animal. Yeah, child.
31:21
Yes, exactly. It's like her security blanket.
31:24
Yeah. Which I mean, it's very, it's
31:27
really, it's really sweet. So, I think they got out of
31:30
there too fast. Yeah, who wasn't?
31:35
Well, I think I think the robe the cape with Leia underneath
31:40
it. I mean I don't know how else
31:41
they were going to get her out of there and like, Toto.
31:43
My God, the trench coat thing just can we not that?
31:47
That wasn't it was, it was silly.
31:49
It was like, laughable, truly. And like I laughed at it and I
31:53
hope they meant it as funny because if they meant it is
31:56
serious, it was no, it's just it's an odd back to the All
32:02
Trilogy humor that we do adore at this time.
32:04
Exactly. So the I'm trying to like trying
32:08
to, like, take it as that, but I turned in my boyfriend were
32:12
watching this and I'm like, if you were one of these people in
32:15
this room, wouldn't you notice? It's like I would notice that
32:19
right away, be like the fuck. Is there a child under that
32:22
trench coat? What's going on?
32:24
Even before that, I would notice Obi-Wan Kenobi, walking through
32:28
a fucking Landing Pad there, like it, putting a Hat on, isn't
32:32
good enough. Damn.
32:35
Anyway, why don't you just wear a sign that says, Obi-Wan
32:40
Kenobi, general of the Grand Army of the Republic, like want
32:45
it? Obi-Wan, Kenobi's that way?
32:50
Yeah, right. And with over one, t-shirt.
32:53
Yeah. Ta'ala has a shirt on.
32:56
This is, I'm with, I'm with stupid.
32:59
I'm stupid. So my God Leia's would say I'm
33:03
not. Yes it for yeah.
33:06
Yeah. Oh my God.
33:08
Yeah. That whole thing was, it was
33:10
fine. It was, it was funny at least.
33:14
Yeah. It was.
33:16
It was Star Wars e. Yes.
33:18
You know, we don't come here for 100% realism know, and we talked
33:24
about it. This a bit already that like,
33:27
the episode felt like a Clone Wars episode, right?
33:30
It was, you know, You know, there were so many times where
33:33
they had these harebrained ideas of how they were going to sneak
33:37
aboard a ship or get inside like the Citadel or whatever and then
33:40
they just like roll with the punches and there's always a
33:43
plan B and all this shit and like the way tala like walks in
33:47
and is talking on her comlink at like full volume next to people.
33:50
Yeah, she was talking way too loud.
33:52
Yeah. And nobody notices, except that
33:54
guy who's next. She breaks, which, whatever.
33:57
It's fine with that and like it could do what you gotta do.
34:01
Well liked You're expecting it to be super realistic.
34:04
That's not realistic. But if you look at it like it's
34:08
Star Wars and it's like a nod to clone wars, then it's like, this
34:12
is very well done in that regard because it's very similar to
34:18
those, like ridiculous scenarios, that always seem to
34:22
work out really well. Right?
34:24
Right. There's, there's two things I
34:26
want us to talk about before we wrap things up.
34:31
Number one, it was just a little scene but I wondered because we
34:36
haven't talked about it, but I wondered.
34:37
If you noticed it, when he's in the hallway and the
34:41
Stormtroopers sense that he's around.
34:43
Mmm. And he does the finger move?
34:46
Yes. And kind of directs their
34:48
attention away from where he's hiding.
34:50
Hmm. I'm just going to be real, that
34:54
turned me on. Yeah, I mean, it's like him
34:58
starting to use the force. Again, it was really you.
35:02
And I have always said, like, why is it so hot when he uses
35:05
the force, when the new? Yes.
35:07
Whenever a Jedi, like use the force like that, like hold back
35:10
water or whatever. The hell that is that they're
35:12
doing like in the innocence of ryloth where he like uses the
35:17
force to like control those giant beasts.
35:20
It's like Ridiculously sexy. I don't know why but it is.
35:24
Yeah, yeah. But it was also kind of like a
35:27
kylo. Ren moment when he uses the he
35:29
uses that finger moved to direct the light saber and cuts.
35:32
No can half. Oh yeah, it's just the slightest
35:36
movement and it does so much. It's just really, I love anytime
35:42
Jedi uses the force, I just love it.
35:45
It just looks particularly good when Obi-Wan does and yeah
35:48
always makes it look very nice. Well it's also a Wrecked not to
35:52
Alec Guinness. Does that on the yeah the New
35:55
Hope on the Death Star. Great Point.
35:58
Yes. Does the same thing, they turn
36:00
their head and he sneaks off going the other direction.
36:02
So yeah, he's just like starting to get back into shape.
36:09
I really love it. I really loved it.
36:13
And we got to talk about the tomb.
36:14
Yes. I was going to say that fucking
36:18
tomb, kind of a big deal and like, master master sinube is
36:25
the first hardcore. Said they person refers?
36:28
Why did I they show at? I was just like, oh my God.
36:33
And if you don't watch the Clone Wars series, yeah, you don't
36:37
know the depth of this character?
36:40
Yeah. Like he was into integral with
36:45
Ahsoka. Like yeah, I hated seeing him
36:49
there. I hated it.
36:50
I did too because he was already very old and wise in the Clone
36:55
Wars. So to think that that elderly
36:58
gentleman was yeah, I'm assuming they're all dead, right?
37:04
Like I'm guessing because the way they're held in that orange,
37:09
whatever is really reminiscent. To what they do with luminara in
37:13
Rebels which is fucking freaky. It's really freaky.
37:17
So like you know, spoilers if you haven't seen this, don't
37:21
listen further. But like there's a moment in
37:23
Rebels. Where the grand is it?
37:25
The grand Inquisitor? I think it is right.
37:28
He lures KN using luminara's corpse-like animates her see ya
37:36
beer. It I don't even know to like
37:38
trap Jedi So yeah, this whole hallway is full of even a Jedi
37:45
youngling, like a child. Is there?
37:49
The look on the child's face every one of their faces were
37:52
like in shock. Yeah.
37:54
But the child's face, I mean, and that was the last one they
37:57
showed ya which and it's just so horrific.
38:01
I mean, it's such a Barb to Obi One in particular after having
38:06
gone back into the temple, and seeing all the dead children,
38:10
and then seeing the Hologram of Anakin killing them to then.
38:15
See that not only did they kill them, but they took them their
38:19
little dead bodies. And it's like why like, what are
38:23
they using those for? Well, I think I honestly it has
38:29
to tie into the importance of grow goo in the Mandalorian
38:33
because He's grow grew is the only Jedi specimen that they
38:36
think they have left to use. Mmm, for whatever their, you
38:42
know, the cloning or whatever they're trying to do is they
38:44
keep trying to take his blood right there.
38:47
Trying. Yeah.
38:49
So if you think about it, if maybe these were not fully dead
38:53
Jedi or they went willingly thinking that, you know, they
38:56
would just be imprisoned and then this happened because if
39:00
you I just they're going to use them for something.
39:05
Yeah, there's a purpose. They're there for a reason.
39:09
Oh, 100% on the flip side, I could see them totally using
39:14
these bodies as like, a shrine to their success, but there's
39:18
other ways of doing that and I still think they're being kept.
39:23
Yeah, kind of on the back burner for use in some way and maybe
39:27
it's like what they did in Rebels by reanimating corpses to
39:30
draw out. I could totally see that.
39:32
Yeah, we already have evidence that they do that.
39:34
So it's creepy as hell. Yeah.
39:36
It's yeah. Because like if you think of it,
39:39
if it was like them on display as like a whole of, I don't even
39:46
know what's the term. It's like how back in the olden
39:49
days when they would destroy like a group of people, they cut
39:52
off their heads and put them on a pike, like, outside, dog
39:55
Castle. As like, this is what will
39:57
happen to you. If you rise up against the king
40:00
or whatever, Ever the fuck. These are, but this is
40:04
downstairs is hidden. Yeah, this is like, down below
40:07
the ocean in the basement hiding in a secure, vaulted area.
40:12
Where, where you keep cadavers? Yeah, it's like they don't want
40:18
people to know what's down there.
40:19
Vader knows the inquisitors know, the emperor.
40:23
Probably knows, I would guess, but I'm guessing it's the
40:26
emperor's doing. I was.
40:28
He's the one who's dabbling in the Clone shit, constantly.
40:31
Yeah. Right.
40:32
I just Re-watch the end of bad batch season 1.
40:35
Hmm again, never watched it. Spoiler alert.
40:41
But they take, oh my God. Lama.
40:44
Su I think, is her name, she's one of the kaminoans the like
40:48
lead kaminoan. Scientists at the very last
40:51
episode, I think, or the second-to-last.
40:53
They take her. And like, she becomes like even
40:59
against her will she has no choice.
41:01
She is now forced To work for the emperor and they have great
41:05
projects for her to work on and then you never see her again.
41:09
And it's just like she's the one who created the Clones.
41:12
She's the one who created Omega and like took all of the DNA
41:19
from Jango Fett and created all of the like clones and and
41:23
everybody from that and it's just like so what the fuck else
41:26
is she doing? Because we know Palpatine comes
41:28
back. It's just by doing that by
41:32
having A team comeback. It literally means that no one
41:35
necessarily is really dead when they're dead.
41:39
Which they weren't any way in Star Wars like go, you get
41:42
thrown data, reactor shaft, you're coming back to life
41:45
somewhere even if you're cut. Yeah, but like yeah, I don't
41:49
know, I'm just like they've mentioned a cloning facility in
41:55
Mandalorian season two, there's this weird shit in ob1.
41:59
They've talked about his weird cloning shit and bad badge.
42:03
Like if you're watching all this stuff you're seeing Dave, filoni
42:08
put Little things here and there and here and there and it's like
42:12
when are we going to find out what the big picture is because
42:15
I feel like at some point it's going to come to a head.
42:18
We're going to see liver. Yeah.
42:20
It's like there is some secret projects.
42:23
The Empire is working on that's like hinted at in every single
42:26
show and I can't wait to see like what that's going to turn
42:30
out to be. It's going to be horribly it
42:32
show. Is it going to appear on, you
42:34
know, which season of which show, you know.
42:36
Yeah. And like we've said, I really
42:38
feel like Like all of this stuff is all just one big it's just
42:41
Star Wars, you know? Like it's just all one big show.
42:44
They're just telling it in different spokes of the sixth
42:47
wheel. Would you know can we just
42:49
appreciate that for like five seconds?
42:52
Yeah. That is so cool.
42:54
We are living in the like, the way the world of Star Wars right
42:58
now, like, it's not all great, but holy shit.
43:01
At least we have it. Yeah, yeah.
43:05
Someone was like, how are you guys going to ever, like, run
43:07
out of ideas for? Episode 4, the podcast of like
43:10
how so much material coming. I don't think we'll ever run out
43:17
of stuff to talk about on here. Even if it's even if it's like
43:22
movies TV shows stuff like that. If we run out of that, we have
43:26
an infinite amount of written material to cover.
43:29
Oh my gosh. Yeah.
43:31
I mean, there's never a way that we won't have a reason to talk
43:35
about stars. You know why?
43:36
Because we want to and we enjoy doing it.
43:38
Yeah, exactly. And speaking of love, we need to
43:44
end this episode the way that that episode ended with the shot
43:48
of Leia, taking Obi-Wan's hand and holding it.
43:54
I was in tears. I sent you a voice message.
43:57
Crying. Yeah.
43:59
My heart felt beautiful. Like that was like a gift to the
44:03
audience. It was to give Tobi one as well,
44:07
but because anyone who's been a fan of his for All these years.
44:12
And we've seen him put through some of the worst shit to have a
44:16
little. Sweet innocent Soul, reach out
44:20
and just take his hand without fear, like so many people
44:23
wouldn't, like, dare touch him, you know, because he's for so
44:27
many reasons like as an adult. Like if you see another very
44:32
wounded person, and I don't mean like physically, I mean, like in
44:35
emotionally traumatized person, sometimes they don't want to be
44:38
touched, you know. So you have to like Read that or
44:41
a but a child is like very innocent.
44:44
And maybe isn't picking up on nuances and like for her to just
44:49
reach out without being afraid and just take his hand, it was
44:52
like the thing. He needed that.
44:54
He probably didn't even know he needed and as it and maybe she,
44:58
maybe she did pick up on it through her force, her use of
45:01
the force, maybe she felt his vibration, you know?
45:05
Then this is what this, and I think she loves him at this
45:08
point. She respects him and cares for
45:10
him. well and she thought he was dead you know and then for him
45:14
true to come and rescue her and she's been through something
45:17
very traumatizing like she might have needed that comfort as well
45:20
and to see that she isn't like a Jedi where she doesn't like you
45:25
know hold that really tight and like pain is very personal she's
45:29
like she's child who either needs Comfort or is willing to
45:32
give Comfort like that was I just loved that they had that
45:37
that was solea to me you know I think of her like In A New Hope,
45:42
comforting Luke and like, yeah, she's just always the strong one
45:46
who protects and cares for and like is trying to do the best
45:51
thing for her Squad, you know, and is always like yeah she's
45:54
the last one out in Empire Strikes Back on Hoth she stays
45:58
until it's very dangerous, you know?
46:00
And it's like this little moment was so perfect and it just I was
46:05
just literally like melted like a nice goal I was just like oh
46:09
my God we Got somebody being nice, Obi-Wan, Obi-Wan needed it
46:15
so badly. And it came from his best
46:17
friend's daughter. Like it's just beautiful.
46:20
And the reason why Leia is such an important character and why
46:25
she is such a successful leader, the most successful leaders lead
46:30
with empathy. They serve the people that
46:33
they're leading. They understand them and they
46:38
try and meet them where they are and even as As a child, she was
46:42
doing that and you know there's all these scenes where Leia is
46:48
stuck in these positions and she says, someone will come for me.
46:52
Someone is coming for me. I know it.
46:54
Someone I'll have a whole Army come and then we see a new hope
46:59
somewhere along the line. She learned that she's going to
47:01
have to do it herself. Yeah.
47:04
And she's not waiting around for anyone to come save her and so
47:08
we see her mature from. I mean Lee as a child.
47:12
A child needs protected need saved.
47:15
They are, there's only so much they can do because they are a
47:18
child. Yeah, but she becomes a self
47:21
rescuing princess by growing through all of this and
47:25
learning. There may not be any help and
47:28
I'm going to have to do this on my own, if people show up and
47:31
help great, if not, I'm gonna get out of this one way or
47:34
another, and it's her leadership, her understanding of
47:37
people, and her just her sheer empathy.
47:41
She, we see it with our I want the man was hurting and all it
47:45
took was a Simple Touch of her hand.
47:48
Like a silent, I understand. And I'm glad you're here.
47:52
Yeah, it's what she communicated.
47:53
And it was how many times have we needed that in our own lives?
47:57
Yeah, you know, well, Engineers to see big strong man, who knows
48:01
things and has been through things and has grown.
48:04
And, you know, can can do all these things to save everyone
48:08
and her little hand saved him in that moment, you know.
48:13
Yeah, and the way he, he squeezes her fingers and like,
48:17
rubs his thumb across her fingers.
48:19
It was just like, you never get to see him.
48:23
No, give that it really reminded me so much of Qui gonn with
48:28
Anakin. Yeah.
48:30
And it was making me think that like how Obi-Wan has he
48:35
basically took on taking care of Anakin as a child right at the
48:40
same age, that Leia is right now.
48:42
Can was 19 when he went to the temple and Leia is 10 in this.
48:47
So, it's like, he has experience with children at this age and
48:52
like, it's like, it's coming back to him and you could see
48:54
that like there, is this like paternal side to him where he
48:58
does care for people and like, with Numa, you saw it as well
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and it's like, no mama to see that he's like Getting that
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tenderness and also has an innocent place to give it back
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as well because he never gets to show emotion or affection.
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You know, it's like he's a good Jedi, he doesn't get attached.
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And I just think that this scene was so perfect and I was just
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really grateful to see it. Yeah, it is what the last
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persons hand that Obi-Wan caresses is satine's after she
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dies. Yeah, that's a really good.
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And honestly, I actually wrote a post about this Obi-Wan doesn't
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touch anybody. It's true like he will
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occasionally touch Anakin or Ahsoka but it's like really
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rare. He often, especially in Clone
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Wars stands, with his hands behind his back or like with his
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arms folded so that he can't or doesn't touch people, but he he
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tells the teen constantly and so true.
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So like And I haven't watched the prequels with this in mind
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so maybe you know he's more touchy-feely.
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I mean definitely hugs old decks that's true.
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The dino d-bag. Yeah.
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So you know it's just it's just interesting because when he has
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physical contact with people it seems like a very deliberate
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Choice. Yeah.
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I just yeah I don't know. I I think it was what we all
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needed. Yeah, really.
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I'm so I'm so thankful for this episode.
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I'm so thankful for that scene. I'm thankful to see Obi-Wan back
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and Adam again and I can't wait for the next to I say it every
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week when we record. I can't wait for the next one.
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Yeah, I know it's hard to wait. I almost wish I just waited till
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they were all out but it would get spoiled like if you go on
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Tumblr, 10 minutes after the episodes, over someone has
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already like Taking screenshots and put them out.
51:04
So, yep. There's no way to like, not get
51:06
it spoiled unless you just don't go on online.
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So, we'll just have to survive a few more days until the next
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one. We've got this, we've got this
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long, we can do it. This is what we were born for
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our question for you this week. What do you think?
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The inquisitors are doing with all those bodies entombed in
51:36
their basement? Yeah.
51:39
Are they going to use them? Or is it just a slap in the
51:43
face? I think, hey, I think they're
51:44
going to use them. Hey, I do too.
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And if if for what, yeah, what why what are they there for?
51:51
What is the purpose? We've seen a little bit of it in
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Rebels but we're curious what your theories are.
51:56
So hit us up Next week's episode.
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You guessed it. We're reviewing episode 5 of the
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Kenobi series and whatever awaits us.
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I'm excited and scared and everything in between some
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please join us back here so we can review it and talk about it.
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So, listen or comments from last week, we're going to go back to
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our patrons because they had some good input about episode 3
52:25
and David Jedi Master, Zen actually pointed this out which
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I didn't notice. He said it could be just me, but
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is part 1, part 2 and part 3 of all of these episodes mimicking,
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the part 1, part 2, and part, 3 of the sequel's he says, part
52:43
one is the kidnapping of a young woman which takes place on
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Tatooine Part 2 Intrigue in a set on a water world and a neon
52:52
underworld Clone Trooper death sticks spice Pusher LOL.
52:56
Hmm and then part three Anakin versus Kenobi and a fire scene
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and I thought that was kind of a brilliant take on it.
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I never thought of that but it's an excellent observation.
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It's really true. Yeah.
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Like I hadn't thought of it either, but the parallels are
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pretty, pretty obvious. I guess, when you, when you say
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it like that day sergeant. Like that.
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Thank you David, we appreciate it and also our girls e.
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She says regarding Obi-Wan's, brother.
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I wonder if it's a nod to one of the unused screenplay versions
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for the Return of the Jedi. I read somewhere a while ago,
53:30
that apparently in one version, Owen was supposed to be
53:33
Obi-Wan's brother, but that was cut from the final version for
53:36
the movie. Also, a really good point that I
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obviously did not consider in. This is why our patrons are
53:43
amazing. But yeah.
53:44
Oh my gosh, seriously, I didn't even know.
53:46
That was an alternative version that they had been playing with
53:50
on ya for Owen. But I like imagine how different
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things would be if oh it was only one so different.
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Oh my God, I'd be okay with it but the the sick Burns between
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both of them would make sense because yeah right do that
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siblings in general yeah it's just a given on YouTube.
54:13
We got a comment from Piera and they said four Codes one and
54:17
two. I was like, okay, that's a good
54:19
start promising but four episodes three and four.
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I was screaming and gasping and on the verge of tears, loving it
54:26
so far same. Yeah, same.
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I would say same same here and on Instagram, we got a comment
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from Alpha, Sapphire 17. They said episode 3 was awesome.
54:38
ASF. Yeah, it's right.
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Yep. Especially the Vader scene.
54:44
He's basically a horror villain now.
54:47
Oh my God. Yeah, same love it.
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