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Fake Heiress Anna Delvey in the Headlines Again · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Oh my stars, does it
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Speaker 1: never end with this woman, fraudster and a Delvi now
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Speaker 1: selling her home art. Not only is she selling her art,
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Speaker 1: it's actually on display to sell on Netflix's Owning Manhattan?
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Speaker 1: Does this woman ever stop one angle after the next.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. What is Owning Manhattan. It's the latest
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Speaker 1: addition to Netflix's empire of reality shows, and it is
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Speaker 1: set in the world of lux real estate. It follows
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Speaker 1: a guy who came from Bravos Million Dollar Listing and
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Speaker 1: about twelve agents in his real estate brokerage empire, and
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Speaker 1: they hustle across the city to make million dollar deals.
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Speaker 1: And now, how does Anna delviy fit into this? Because
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Speaker 1: the infamous con artist Anna Delvi aka Anna Serucan, if
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Speaker 1: you'll recall, she posed as a wealthy heiress to make
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Speaker 1: a name for herself in the social circles in the
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Speaker 1: city's art circles in New York. Over four years, she
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Speaker 1: defrauded banks, hotels, so called friends for over a quarter
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Speaker 1: million dollars. She became a media darling after the Netflix
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Speaker 1: mini series Inventing Anna. She was convicted. She served four
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Speaker 1: years behind bars for attempted grand larceny, larsening the second degree,
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Speaker 1: and theft of services. I don't know what good that
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Speaker 1: did her friends. They were never repaid. But this is
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Speaker 1: how she pops up on Netflix. The real estate agent
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Speaker 1: is showing a commercial real estate property in the New
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Speaker 1: York area of Hell's Kitchen. This particular site was on
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Speaker 1: Eleventh Avenue and it's a huge silver structure with different
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Speaker 1: sized windows. It's zoned for performing arts. While she's showing it,
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Speaker 1: she decides to host a party at the building to
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Speaker 1: show off all of its amenities, like the views from
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Speaker 1: the rooftop first floor that's set up to be an
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Speaker 1: art gallery. On the night of the party, the entire
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Speaker 1: space is blanketed with artwork, provocative artwork. People are going
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Speaker 1: in and out to look at the building, and one
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Speaker 1: of the agents becomes interested in one painting, and particularly
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Speaker 1: while walking through the Netflix camera pans over to the
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Speaker 1: wall and there is a girl painted on the wall
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Speaker 1: that looks very familiar, brown hair, thick black glasses, and
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Speaker 1: the paint. In one painting, she's looking over her shoulder
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Speaker 1: at a brick apartment building with a smaller but fancier
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Speaker 1: version of herself under the words no one is Safe.
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Speaker 1: In the Netflix special, a speaker says, who's this artist?
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Speaker 1: And we learn it's Anna Delvi's art. Yeah, it was
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Speaker 1: explained on Netflix quote. While she was in jail, she
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Speaker 1: decided to start painting. They decide to put her paintings
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Speaker 1: up and let people get interested enough to get their
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Speaker 1: phones out and take videos of the art. Now, this
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Speaker 1: is a mastermind scheme by the realtor who realized is
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Speaker 1: that by putting Anna Delvey's work on social media, it
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Speaker 1: will also catch the walls of the building, the lighting,
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Speaker 1: the ceiling high, everything wonderful about the building that's for sale.
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Speaker 1: Anna Delvey aka Annasorkin never misses a chance to trade
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Speaker 1: on her notoriety. What happened art aside? Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to Inside Edition.
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Speaker 2: She claims she was a wealthy heiress from Europe worth
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Speaker 2: more than sixty million dollars, but it was a lie.
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Speaker 2: Annasorkin went to prison for two years for defrauding banks, hotels,
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Speaker 2: and even her closest friends out of hundreds of thousands
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Speaker 2: of dollars. Her trial drew international attention.
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Speaker 3: This woman made national headlines posing as a wealthy woman.
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Speaker 1: Now, the woman.
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Speaker 2: Known as the SOHO Grifter is speaking to ABC's Deborah Roberts.
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Speaker 4: This is the first time you've sat down for television interview.
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Speaker 1: Why are you talking with us? Why not?
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Speaker 5: I would like to show the world that I'm not
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Speaker 5: this downgraedy person that they portrayed me to be.
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Speaker 1: You ask her who she really is? Did she tell
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Speaker 1: you Annasorgan is a very complicated character.
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Speaker 6: You might believe that annasoricon is a very gifted, clever,
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Speaker 6: wanna be businesswoman or a complete con artist. And there
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Speaker 6: are many people in her way who would tell you
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Speaker 6: that she is the classic con artist.
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Speaker 1: Why can't she be both? Why can't she be a
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Speaker 1: great business person and the ultimate scammer? I see her
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Speaker 1: as both. Take a listen hour cut one from the
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Speaker 1: Vanity Fair special Scandalous.
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Speaker 7: By twenty sixteen, Anna Delvey was a regular in the
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Speaker 7: NYC social scene, frequenting many popular downtown restaurants, bars, and clubs.
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Speaker 7: With an extravagant lifestyle and a seemingly endless supply of money,
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Speaker 7: Delvy was an enigma that was made for the.
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Speaker 1: Age of Instagram.
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Speaker 7: Always at the right place with the right people, living
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Speaker 7: her best life.
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Speaker 1: But with no apparent cause for her fame. With me,
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Speaker 1: an all star panel to make sense of what we
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Speaker 1: know right now with Me Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author
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Speaker 1: of Red Flags and host of Today with Doctor Wendy KCBQ.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at wendypatrickphd dot com. Doctor Donna
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Speaker 1: Rockwell Special guests joining US clinical psychologists in both Michigan
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Speaker 1: and New York specializing in celebrity mental health on faculty
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Speaker 1: Saybrook University. Jim Ellis with a special guest joining US
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Speaker 1: certified fraud examiner, former fed with the FBI. Don't mess
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Speaker 1: with this guy. FBI agent twenty nine years now, Private
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Speaker 1: investigator at JKE Texas Private Investigator jke Texas dot com.
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Speaker 1: But first, I want to go to a woman I've
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Speaker 1: been dying to talk to, Rebecca Rosenberg with Fox Digital.
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Speaker 1: She's a crime reporter and author of a fantastic book
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Speaker 1: At any cost, Rebecca, who is this woman?
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Speaker 8: Who is this woman? Well, her family came from Russia.
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Speaker 8: They moved to Germany, and I believe her father was
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Speaker 8: actually a truck driver. She did not come from a
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Speaker 8: wealthy family and she just invented this identity when she came.
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Speaker 1: To New York. Now, her coming to New York was
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Speaker 1: quite a story. So Russian born moving to Germany, the
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Speaker 1: child of a truck driver. She ends up getting a
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Speaker 1: job or an internship that takes her to Paris. From there,
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Speaker 1: the position brings her to New York. I believe it
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Speaker 1: was mon talk. And then she very simply overstayed her visa,
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Speaker 1: which thousands of people do every year, but none do
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Speaker 1: it in this style. Anna Sorokan, take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut six our friends at Inside Edition. Is she
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Speaker 1: in a courtroom or at a red carpet event?
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Speaker 9: Anna Sorrikin is accused of posing as an heiress to
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Speaker 9: live an extravagant lifestyle, but it's what she's wearing to
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Speaker 9: trial that is making headlines. The twenty seven year old
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Speaker 9: defendant showed up wearing a form fitting black dress with
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Speaker 9: a plunging neckline and choker necklace. It's a look that
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Speaker 9: could backfire. Warren stylist John Karen.
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Speaker 10: Black dress definitely a no no. A hyper sexualize her.
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Speaker 10: It makes her appear to be like a seductress. The
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Speaker 10: choker kind of shows to me that she's trying to
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Speaker 10: be overtly sexy. The more sexy she appears to be, it.
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Speaker 9: Hurts her Sorakin is so obsessed with her clothes. She
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Speaker 9: refused to enter the courtroom because the outfit she was
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Speaker 9: given to wear was not up to her standards. The
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Speaker 9: angry judge told her this is unacceptable and inappropriate.
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Speaker 1: This is not a fashion show. Wow, well, you know what.
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Speaker 1: It didn't work. She continued wearing designer clothes to every
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Speaker 1: single court appears. But this goes way back. Her desire
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Speaker 1: for a lifestyle she could not afford started in her teens.
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Speaker 1: Take a listening to our buddy Jesse Palmer at Daily
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Speaker 1: Mail TV.
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Speaker 11: Anna, who interned at a trendy French magazine, reportedly managed
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Speaker 11: to scam extended stays in swanky Manhattan hotels, dinner at
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Speaker 11: high end restaurants, and flights on chartered jets to finance
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Speaker 11: her lavish lifestyle and keep the grift going. She allegedly
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Speaker 11: built banks out of thousands in cash.
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Speaker 1: And that's not all.
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Speaker 11: The fake heiress reportedly fleees her friend out of sixty
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Speaker 11: two thousand dollars for a world class trip to Morocco.
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Speaker 11: But Anna went too far when she attempted to take
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Speaker 11: out a loan for twenty two million dollars to finance
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Speaker 11: a visual art center she called the Anna Delvi Foundation.
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Speaker 11: In all, Anna reportedly scammed a total of two hundred
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Speaker 11: and seventy five thousand dollars.
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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's just me, but to you, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Donna Rockwell, joining US clinical psychologist Faculty, Saber University. Doctor Rockwell,
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Speaker 1: I don't know very many people except maybe Alois that
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Speaker 1: lives in hotels.
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Speaker 12: No, I guess we don't really know many people who
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Speaker 12: live in hotels. But it's very posh, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: To do that?
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Speaker 12: She might be a eloise poser, I guess, But you
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Speaker 12: know that makes her look really unattainable and like she's
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Speaker 12: got lots of money. So I think people in her
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Speaker 12: situation will do anything they can to look like they're billionaires,
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Speaker 12: not even millionaires.
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Speaker 1: And Rebecca Rosenberg joining us in Fox News Digital. Rebecca,
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Speaker 1: she wasn't just staying down at the Motel six. She
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Speaker 1: was staying at very very expensive and luxurious hotels.
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Speaker 8: Yes, she was staying at eleven Howard Street for a
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Speaker 8: very long time, racked up a bill that tens of
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Speaker 8: thousands of dollars. That's where she lived here for a
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Speaker 8: big chunk of.
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Speaker 1: The time, the New York You know, it was really
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Speaker 1: interesting that she created this illusion that super rich and
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Speaker 1: super educated people fell for and I guess you'd call
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Speaker 1: it New York society until she went and basically invited
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Speaker 1: herself to be on a yacht in a bisa and
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Speaker 1: then after everyone got off at the end of the vacation,
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Speaker 1: she and her boyfriend turn around and get back on
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Speaker 1: and stay for another week or ten days. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Jim Ellis, you're the certified fraud examiner, former FBI agent
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Speaker 1: twenty nine years, for beat's sake. When you commandeer a
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Speaker 1: yacht with a captain and a staff and all the
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Speaker 1: food and you're out at sea and the gas that
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Speaker 1: is a huge bill, a huge bill.
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Speaker 13: And frankly, you know, she probably could have been stopped
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Speaker 13: and exposed at that point if any of these people
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Speaker 13: along the way you lost money, who got you know,
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Speaker 13: enticed by her story and it actually applied you know,
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Speaker 13: reason and common sense at a certain point, things wouldn't
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Speaker 13: have gotten as far as as they did.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's really interesting. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags. You can hear her on Today
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Speaker 1: with doctor Wendy k c b Q. Doctor Wendy, I
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Speaker 1: find it, Wendy Patrick, I find it really interesting that
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Speaker 1: the owners or the people that had rented the yacht
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Speaker 1: originally didn't go after her. Now they are really really
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Speaker 1: wealthy Hampton Nights, And I got to tell you something, Wendy.
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Speaker 1: I've been to the Hamptons a couple of times for
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Speaker 1: charity when I would be speaking to a group or
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Speaker 1: raising money somehow or other. That's the same, Wendy. I
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Speaker 1: couldn't wait till I packed up my little rental car
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Speaker 1: and got I mean, I knew I was a dog upstairs.
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Speaker 1: I did not get in. That was not where I
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Speaker 1: was supposed to be. And these rich people that got
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Speaker 1: ripped off but didn't report it, whether they didn't want
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Speaker 1: to look stupid or what. Yeah, no, that's right, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: I'm like you.
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Speaker 13: I'm more I'm more familiar with the Hampton in with.
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Speaker 8: The free breakfast.
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Speaker 1: Stealing it go ahead.
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Speaker 14: So this is the this is the problem with the
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Speaker 14: super super rich. And it is a problem because financial
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Speaker 14: responsibility should be everyone's responsibility. But they probably either.
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Speaker 12: Didn't know or didn't care.
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Speaker 14: Why do I say that, because we've covered so many
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Speaker 14: stories where you do have the ultra rich that are
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Speaker 14: scammed are defrauded by somebody like Anna, but don't consider
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Speaker 14: it in the balance to be worth their while to
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Speaker 14: pursue it, not realizing there may be so many other
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Speaker 14: victims that they might be preventing.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Where is Anna Delvey aka
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Speaker 1: Anna Sorkin? Now while she has been released from prison,
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Speaker 1: She's holding party after party in her New York apartment.
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Speaker 1: And that's while she was under house arrests and now
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Speaker 1: selling art. Whatever becomes of Anna Sorkin, the fake heiress
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Speaker 1: who ripped off her victims to the tune of over
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Speaker 1: a quarter million dollars, Remember what happened? I'm not quite
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Speaker 1: sure Rebecca Rosenberg what her motivation is other than just
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Speaker 1: living the high life. But imagine the impact she could
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Speaker 1: have made being the daughter of a truck driver. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm the daughter of a railroad worker and a bank teller,
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Speaker 1: and I know my parents worked overtime to send me
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Speaker 1: to college, send me to law school, and so much more.
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Speaker 1: She actually has a brilliant mind.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, but I don't think that if she had been
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Speaker 8: honest about her origins, anybody the people that she was
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Speaker 8: trying to hang out with the New York that they
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Speaker 8: would have really paid.
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Speaker 13: Attention to her.
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Speaker 1: We know she was born in Russia, grew up in Germany.
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Speaker 1: Her father worked at a transport company. It went and solved.
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Speaker 1: At nineteen, she left her parents and brother for Paris
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Speaker 1: to decide to pursue fashion. She has only ever spoken
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Speaker 1: very vaguely of her parents, as she terms conservative. But
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Speaker 1: while she's in Paris, she takes on the name Anna
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Speaker 1: Delvy and she shoots photographs for a fashion art magazine
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Speaker 1: named Purple. She only got four hundred euros a month
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Speaker 1: and she stayed financially dependent on her parents, who would
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Speaker 1: send her money pay for her apartment. Then she had
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Speaker 1: a breakup, headed to New York and she went for
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Speaker 1: a trip to Montalk and then Fashion Week, and that
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Speaker 1: really did it. When she was at Fashion Week, there
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Speaker 1: was no suggestion she would ever turn back. She went
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Speaker 1: from boutique hotel to boutique hotel, always handing out chrisp
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Speaker 1: one hundred dollars tips and putting off bills with promises
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Speaker 1: of wire transfers that never happened. So, Rebecca Rosenberg, I
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Speaker 1: know we've got the one victim Rachel Deloche Williams. But
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Speaker 1: that's two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. What about
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Speaker 1: all of the hotels and all of the other people
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Speaker 1: she ripped off.
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Speaker 8: Well, a lot of people didn't come forward. And actually
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Speaker 8: Rachel Delos was really interesting because at the end Rachel
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Speaker 8: actually couldn't get paid restitution because the jury did not find.
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Speaker 1: The broken deal of ripping her off.
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Speaker 8: That was kind of that was one of the charges
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Speaker 8: they did not convict on.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to hour cut five b our friends
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Speaker 1: at time.
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Speaker 15: Prosecutor Catherine mccau says the defendant has not assent to
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Speaker 15: her name as far as we can determine, also noting
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Speaker 15: that Soroken is Russian born, not German, though she could
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Speaker 15: be deported to Germany no matter how the trial turns out,
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Speaker 15: as she's reportedly overstayed her visa under the name Anna delve.
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Speaker 15: She arrived in New York with a high priced wardrobe
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Speaker 15: and was known for handing out one hundred dollars cash tips,
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Speaker 15: reportedly saying at different points that her father was a diplomat,
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Speaker 15: an oil baron, or involved in the solar panel business,
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Speaker 15: none of which are the case. People who knew her
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Speaker 15: said she often asked others to use their credit cards
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Speaker 15: to cover cab and plane fares and then failing to
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Speaker 15: repay them.
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenberg Netflix multi episode creation Inventing Anna. What is it?
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Speaker 8: It's a show based on her life stole, so based
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Speaker 8: on it kind of glamorizes her. I'd see her criminal
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Speaker 8: activity in New York which she was convicted, and she
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Speaker 8: sold her life rights to Netflix for them to do
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Speaker 8: the show.
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Speaker 1: This woman cons she cons big. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut too from Vanity Fear.
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Speaker 7: Prior to their departure, Davis's manager told her Delvi's bill
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Speaker 7: and room charges were starting to mount and were still unpaid.
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Speaker 7: As a result, the hotel changed Delvy's room code and
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Speaker 7: detained all of her personal belongings. To renew her visa,
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Speaker 7: Delvi said she had to spend intervals of time out
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Speaker 7: of the country, so she decided to embark on an
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Speaker 7: adventure to Morocco. She invited her New York City circle
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Speaker 7: of friends. This trip was the quintessential example of the
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Speaker 7: lavish lifestyle that delv was known for. A private villa
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Speaker 7: with a personal butler, all for just a mere seven
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Speaker 7: thousand dollars a night during their trip, DELV making one
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Speaker 7: excuse after an Chris Williams to pick up the tab
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Speaker 7: more and more frequently, eventually covering costs for dinner and
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Speaker 7: expensive Moroccan dresses. A stark change from the day's DELV
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Speaker 7: would pay for everything. Then, one morning, DELV was informed
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Speaker 7: by a hotel employee that they did not have a
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Speaker 7: working credit card on file. DELV brushed this off as
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Speaker 7: an issue with her bank, but soon after Williams was
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Speaker 7: prussured into putting down her credit card by hotel management
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Speaker 7: staff and security members.
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Speaker 1: Jim ellis joining us former fed with the FBI. Have
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Speaker 1: you ever seen anything like it where a person who
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Speaker 1: is so obsessed with a lifestyle or getting money actually
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Speaker 1: has alternate identities and scams and lies to even their
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Speaker 1: closest friends, their lovers.
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Speaker 13: Oh absolutely, I mean in her heart and astoric is
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Speaker 13: a con and she basically just cares about herself and
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Speaker 13: she doesn't care what's.
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Speaker 1: Left in her wake.
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Speaker 13: And I've seen this through my career, both as an
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Speaker 13: FBI agent and as a private investigator. People act the
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Speaker 13: same way. I'm familiar with one con artist who dressed
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Speaker 13: up He's a Southern Baptist boy from Louisiana, and he
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Speaker 13: dressed stuff like a Hasidic jew complete with clothing and makeup,
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Speaker 13: so he could go vouch to other people in the
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Speaker 13: Jewish community for himself. I mean that people will go
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Speaker 13: to no ends to satisfy their greed, to satisfy their
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Speaker 13: one for fame and power.
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Speaker 1: How do you untangle a case.
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Speaker 13: Like this well, I mean, obviously from a law enforcement perspective,
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Speaker 13: you don't even know about it till somebody who reports it.
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about her personality. She goes to trial, she
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Speaker 1: goes to trial. I want you to hear what the
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Speaker 1: attorney said in court. Take listen to our cut seven
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Speaker 1: air friends at GMA. She has a fake until she
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Speaker 1: can make it.
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Speaker 16: Those words from the defendant's own attorney, who claims she
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Speaker 16: never intended to commit a crime, but prosecutors call her
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Speaker 16: a fraud and a liar who would do almost anything
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Speaker 16: to prolong her life of luxury. This morning, the fate
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Speaker 16: of an alleged scam artist is now in the hands
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Speaker 16: of a jury, both sides wrapping up arguments for a
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Speaker 16: case that's drawn international outrage. The style savvy defendant even
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Speaker 16: turning heads in court wearing an animal print dress. She
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Speaker 16: called herself Anna Delvi, a fashionable globetrotter who prosecutors say
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Speaker 16: was pretending to be a high flying German heiress living
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Speaker 16: a fairytale life of glitz and glam among Manhattan's elite.
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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, take a listen to her and a sroken
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Speaker 1: in her own words are cut nine from the BBC.
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Speaker 1: Did you get a thrill from him?
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Speaker 3: I mean, were you satisfied when you got away with something,
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Speaker 3: when you achieved something, when you slipped under the radar
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Speaker 3: and didn't have to pay. Was it thrilling?
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Speaker 5: Because in my head another thought that I was cheating
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Speaker 5: or getting away with anything. In my head, like anybody
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Speaker 5: that would borrow from them that would be getting back.
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Speaker 5: I felt like they portrayed me as like someone who
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Speaker 5: is very manipulative, which I don't think I am. And
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Speaker 5: I was like never really like too nice of a person.
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Speaker 5: I was never like really trying to talk my way
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Speaker 5: into anything. I kind of just told people what I
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Speaker 5: want and like they either gave.
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Speaker 1: It to me or not, and I just moved on.
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Speaker 1: She taught them into what she wanted through lines. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Donald rockwell, we really need a shrink. How can she
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Speaker 1: take hundreds of thousands of dollars in luxury hotels, clothing
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Speaker 1: that she got her friends to pay for, racking up
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Speaker 1: credit cards she'd never pay back, hundreds of thousands of
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Speaker 1: dollars in credit cards, all based on lies. I mean,
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Speaker 1: she had to know that was wrong. She wasn't just
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Speaker 1: faking it, fake it till you make it. She was
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Speaker 1: outright lying for goods and services.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, she was outright lying. That's how we see it.
23:02
Speaker 12: It's interesting, you know, because a person who has early
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Speaker 12: life narcissistic.
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Speaker 1: Wounds, okay, I see, I don't know what that means.
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Speaker 12: What it means that someone is only really thinking about themselves.
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Speaker 1: You said, a narcissistic wound. What's a narcissistic wound? I
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Speaker 1: know who narcissist, But what's a narcissistic wound?
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Speaker 12: When we're babies, If our mother or primary caretaker doesn't
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Speaker 12: look at us and say, who is a pretty baby?
23:28
Speaker 12: Is a pretty baby? We don't know that we exist.
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Speaker 12: So without early life mirroring, meaning the parent or the
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Speaker 12: caregiver is looking at you, you know you're existing, you're
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Speaker 12: smiling back, there becomes a deficit that develops in a person,
23:43
Speaker 12: and that is who becomes a narcissist or a self
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Speaker 12: serving person in adulthood, and we probably know many of
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Speaker 12: them in our own lives. However, in the context of same,
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Speaker 12: there's something called acquired situational narcissism, which means that the
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Speaker 12: situations that we come into after a baby, in other words,
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Speaker 12: like Anna when she was in her nineteen and in
24:06
Speaker 12: her twenties, is enough to turn us into that kind
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Speaker 12: of a person, meaning all for me and none for you.
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Speaker 12: And how does she get away with that? She gets
24:17
Speaker 12: away with it because she's in denial, which is a
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Speaker 12: psychological coping mechanism, So the only way that she can
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Speaker 12: do these things is to not have a conscience, to
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Speaker 12: not think about it. So she has a sense of
24:31
Speaker 12: acquired situational narcissisms because of her situation, and then wanted
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Speaker 12: more of it and more of it and more of it.
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Speaker 12: And what people don't really understand about saying is that
24:41
Speaker 12: it is as addictive as heroine. The second we get
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Speaker 12: a taste of the spotlight, most of us we want
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Speaker 12: more and more and more. And that's what happened with Anna.
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Speaker 12: She was in denial. She was projecting anything that she
24:55
Speaker 12: was thinking about herself onto other people. She asked for
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Speaker 12: what she wants did, as we just heard on the tape,
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Speaker 12: she got it or she didn't get it, and she
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Speaker 12: moved on. She did not have a conscience to think
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Speaker 12: about is this the right thing? Am I hurting anybody?
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Speaker 12: That's not how these people think. And it became more
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Speaker 12: and more and more because the same is addictive.
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Speaker 1: You know, Wendy Pasture. She may have justified it in
25:18
Speaker 1: her own mind, certainly not defending her because this is
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Speaker 1: irrational rate, this is not reasoning, it's irrational. She was
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Speaker 1: taking from rich people in the Hamptons. I'm talking to
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Speaker 1: like thirty million dollar homes with you know, guest houses
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Speaker 1: that are you know, bigger than our homes or apartments.
25:39
Speaker 1: She was taking from someone that could afford it, Like
25:43
Speaker 1: she overstayed on the yacht for a week because somebody
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Speaker 1: else much richer than her was paying for it. So
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Speaker 1: I wonder in her mind is she justify it that way?
25:53
Speaker 1: Only had it.
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Speaker 14: Been a very short amount of time with something overall
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Speaker 14: weekend or maybe even a week. But the amount of time,
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Speaker 14: the duration that this went on, there was no conceivable
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Speaker 14: way in her mind that she possibly could have thought
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Speaker 14: she would pay any of it back. You know, she
26:07
Speaker 14: may have faked it until she made it when she
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Speaker 14: first got to New York, but when stealing money from
26:11
Speaker 14: others over that period of time.
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Speaker 12: Faking it is fraud.
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Speaker 14: Hopefully that was a sound by somebody who's at her trial,
26:17
Speaker 14: because there's no other ways circumstantially you can justify that
26:21
Speaker 14: many victims over that.
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Speaker 1: Long period of time, and even now it's still all
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Speaker 1: about her. Take a listen to our friend Emily Mateless
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Speaker 1: at the BBC cuts in why.
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Speaker 3: Do you think so many people believed you?
26:34
Speaker 4: Then?
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Speaker 3: What was it in your personality that could convince people?
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 5: I think like maybe believed I was smart and I
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Speaker 5: was working on something that was that could have like
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Speaker 5: a great potential and that would be successful.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 5: I don't feel like it has much to do with
26:50
Speaker 5: my personality. I guess like I really believed in myself
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Speaker 5: and not what I was doing.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 5: It's hard to explain. I guess like people just see
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Speaker 5: like I'm challenged and I was focused, and I work
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Speaker 5: hard and I could make them a lot of money.
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenberg worked hard and what every time I see
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Speaker 1: a foo or a post of her. She's on a
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Speaker 1: luxury trip, or she's shopping at what well.
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Speaker 8: I think I think a lot of her victims wanted
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Speaker 8: to believe in her success because it meant their success too.
27:24
Speaker 8: You know, she's saying, Okay, I'm going to build this
27:27
Speaker 8: annadelby Foundation in Manhattan for twenty two million. And you
27:31
Speaker 8: know one of the persons, one of the people she
27:34
Speaker 8: do with, the architect, well for him, you know, he
27:37
Speaker 8: he wanted to be involved in that big project, so
27:40
Speaker 8: he wanted to sort of believe the lie because it
27:42
Speaker 8: would ultimately help him. So I think a lot of
27:45
Speaker 8: it was people wanting to kind of believe it was
27:48
Speaker 8: true because there was an advantage to them.
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Speaker 1: These are just some of the things. And I want
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Speaker 1: to go to you on Jim Ellis that we have
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Speaker 1: uncovered falsifying financial documents from international banks wait for it,
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Speaker 1: totally approximately sixty million euros securing a loan of one
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Speaker 1: hundred grand after lying to bank reps with CTI, depositing
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Speaker 1: countless bad checks and to other banks. I guess you
28:18
Speaker 1: know how you flow to check, You deposit a check,
28:22
Speaker 1: you would draw the funds and then you try to
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Speaker 1: short up from another bad account so that won't fall through,
28:29
Speaker 1: and then another You basically play rop a dope on banks.
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Speaker 1: That was totally nearly eighty thousand dollars. That doesn't include
28:38
Speaker 1: the money she conned off our friends, never paying them back,
28:43
Speaker 1: theft of services almost a half a million dollars. I
28:47
Speaker 1: mean that's a lot of money, Jim.
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Speaker 13: Oh, absolutely, it's a lot of money. And you mentioned
28:54
Speaker 13: earlier you weren't sure how she ever worked hard. She
28:58
Speaker 13: worked hard in preparing all these fraudulent documents and passing
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Speaker 13: all those bogus checks and coming up with stories that
29:08
Speaker 13: were plausible but yet not too specific. The life of
29:12
Speaker 13: the con is hard work, and they do it for
29:17
Speaker 13: the for the power, they do it for the money,
29:19
Speaker 13: They do it for the same. I think she solved
29:22
Speaker 13: the banks as her potential savior. You know, you think
29:25
Speaker 13: of of like Elizabeth Holmes with Sarnos. You know, was
29:30
Speaker 13: she a genius or was she a scam artist? You know,
29:34
Speaker 13: if if Sorkin was able to produce all these phony
29:39
Speaker 13: documents and convince a bank to lend her twenty two
29:42
Speaker 13: million dollars.
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Speaker 1: So why explain that to us some mere mortals? What
29:46
Speaker 1: do you mean produce phony documents and convince big banks
29:49
Speaker 1: to learn her a lots of money.
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Speaker 13: Sure it happened, you know, she apparently was really adept
29:56
Speaker 13: in Adobe photoshop. I mean, she was taking documents and
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Speaker 13: altering them to convince the bankers that she had Swiss
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Speaker 13: bank accounts, that she had trust documents, and she had
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Speaker 13: lawyers and CPAs or accountants over in Europe. And it
30:14
Speaker 13: was going, at least to a certain extent, probably till
30:18
Speaker 13: it hit the underwriting department, the people in the back
30:21
Speaker 13: of the office who make sure everything's all the boxes
30:26
Speaker 13: are checked. It was it was painting a picture of her,
30:29
Speaker 13: of exactly who she was claiming to be. And I
30:33
Speaker 13: think if she she probably she possibly could have felt
30:37
Speaker 13: that if she was able to land that loan. In
30:41
Speaker 13: her mind, she probably was going to pay all those
30:43
Speaker 13: people back that she had scamped.
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Speaker 1: In her mind.
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Speaker 13: It's in her mind, and she may have we don't know.
30:50
Speaker 13: She's kicking the can down the road. She's getting her
30:53
Speaker 13: next victim, and when that, when it comes time to
30:56
Speaker 13: pay them back, she'll worry about that later. It's never ending.
31:01
Speaker 13: I mean, it's what brings down every ponzee scheme in
31:04
Speaker 13: the end, and This wasn't a large scale ponzee scheme.
31:07
Speaker 13: But you know, some of that money she scammed through
31:12
Speaker 13: those phony checks that she deposited with City Bank and
31:15
Speaker 13: the loan she got from City National Bank, she used
31:20
Speaker 13: to pay some of her debts that to the hotels
31:25
Speaker 13: and other businesses so that she could stay afloat and
31:27
Speaker 13: maintain that illusion.
31:29
Speaker 1: Well, Jim Ellis, I guess what you're saying is she
31:32
Speaker 1: would pay back the hotels to the extent that she
31:35
Speaker 1: could get them to allow her to stay there for
31:38
Speaker 1: even longer. I mean, what does it mean to kayta check?
31:41
Speaker 13: Well, t kya check. And it's a lot harder nowadays
31:46
Speaker 13: than they used to be because the float, which is
31:48
Speaker 13: the time that the check is deposited in the one
31:50
Speaker 13: bank and actually clears in the originating bank, it's so
31:54
Speaker 13: much shorter. But you basically take a check and you
31:59
Speaker 13: present it to a bank that you know is worthless,
32:02
Speaker 13: or it may appear it has funds, but by the
32:05
Speaker 13: time that check is presented for payment to the originating bank,
32:09
Speaker 13: there aren't any funds available.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Anna Delvisorcan who was placed
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Speaker 1: on house arrests. What she was released from jail for
32:30
Speaker 1: a nearly three hundred thousand dollars heist that we know
32:34
Speaker 1: of making a name in the headlines again. This time
32:38
Speaker 1: her provocative art appears on a Netflix special. But you know,
32:45
Speaker 1: cable TV lets you see what they want you to see,
32:50
Speaker 1: and that is not who Anna Sorcan really is. Who
32:56
Speaker 1: is she? Take a listen to our friends at GMA,
32:59
Speaker 1: Good Morning America.
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Speaker 17: New York City jury finding socialite and Asauric, a so
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Speaker 17: called SOHO grifter, guilty on eight counts, including grand larceny,
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Speaker 17: attempted grand larceny, and theft of services to.
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Speaker 11: Jurors obviously believed our point of view and followed our
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Speaker 11: logic and acquitted her for the top charges.
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Speaker 1: I'm sad and that she was convicted of some of
33:18
Speaker 1: the other charges.
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Speaker 17: Sorgan was acquitted of two charges, including the most serious,
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Speaker 17: attempting to steal more than one million dollars from City
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Speaker 17: National Bank.
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Speaker 1: Jay Rebecca Rosenberg joining us from Foxy's Digital, explaining the
33:30
Speaker 1: split verdict. What was she convicted on and on what
33:34
Speaker 1: was she acquitted?
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Speaker 8: She was acquitted on trying to score this massive twenty
33:39
Speaker 8: million dollars loan, which was one of the top charges
33:43
Speaker 8: that was the attempted grand larceny and she was acquitted
33:46
Speaker 8: of stealing the number kind of varied that around seventy
33:51
Speaker 8: thousand from Rachel Deloche. That was the trip that she
33:54
Speaker 8: invited her best friend at the time, Richard Deloschan, to Morocco,
33:58
Speaker 8: where they stayed in the seven thousand and night riod
34:01
Speaker 8: outside a marakesh and at the end of the trip
34:04
Speaker 8: she stuck her with the bill.
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Speaker 14: She persuaded her to put the.
34:08
Speaker 8: Entire ship on her credit card and she would pay
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Speaker 8: her back. So those were the two main counts she
34:12
Speaker 8: was acquitted on and then she was convicted in She
34:19
Speaker 8: was convicted in the chartered plane incident.
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Speaker 1: Right, well, let me let that side. Canra Becca Eisenberg
34:26
Speaker 1: the chartered plane incident? What was that?
34:29
Speaker 8: So it was called Blade is the company, and she
34:33
Speaker 8: persuaded them to fly her without paying up front to
34:38
Speaker 8: a Berkshire Hathaway conference in Omaha and basically was like,
34:44
Speaker 8: I'll pay you later, and they thought she paid them
34:47
Speaker 8: later and she didn't. And that was about thirty five
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Speaker 8: thousand dollars.
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Speaker 1: It was a chartered flight, a chartered flight incident. Okay,
34:56
Speaker 1: so she ends up going to not jail, but to Rikers.
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Speaker 1: Is anybody on the panel familiar with Rikers? Okay, yeah,
35:07
Speaker 1: just by reputation. Yeah, you don't want to go there
35:10
Speaker 1: unless you have to take a Listen to Anna Sorokan
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Speaker 1: speaking to our friend Deborah Roberts at ABC.
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Speaker 4: Dorekan says she's paid for her mistakes her time behind bars,
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Speaker 4: including nineteen months in New York's infamous Rikers Island jailed,
35:27
Speaker 4: some of it in solitary confinement. You're being held in Rikers,
35:30
Speaker 4: one of the most frightening jails in the country.
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Speaker 1: What was that like for you? Were you terrified in.
35:38
Speaker 5: A way that was therapeutic? I mean it's a therapeutic
35:42
Speaker 5: I for example, use the time, like to read a
35:44
Speaker 5: lot and to write.
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Speaker 4: You've heard that, you've said that it's the prison's kind
35:48
Speaker 4: of a waste of time.
35:49
Speaker 5: Yeah, taking a person, straping them off everything, putting them
35:54
Speaker 5: somewhere where they have pretty much very few opportunities to rehabilitate.
35:59
Speaker 5: So how is this supposed to help someone who already
36:02
Speaker 5: had to resort to life of crime?
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Speaker 1: And that tells me right there that Anna delviy aka
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Speaker 1: Anna Sorokan learned nothing from our time behind bars. Wendy
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Speaker 1: Patrick nothing.
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Speaker 14: It also tells us that she is admitting that she
36:17
Speaker 14: resorted to a life of crime, which contradicts everything she
36:20
Speaker 14: said before the trial and even in some interviews after
36:22
Speaker 14: the trial. She knew because she wasn't working, as you
36:25
Speaker 14: pointed out several times, there was no way she was
36:28
Speaker 14: going to be able to repay these loans. But sitting
36:31
Speaker 14: through the trial, sitting in Riker's Island prison therapeutic you
36:35
Speaker 14: have to wonder whether she received special treatment. We don't
36:38
Speaker 14: know one way or the other, but it is very
36:40
Speaker 14: interesting that her attitude apparently hasn't changed.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure she got special treatment because she had managed
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Speaker 1: to convince everyone that she was a celebrity that deserves
36:49
Speaker 1: special treatment. You know, Rebecca Rosenberg, I'm not sure I
36:52
Speaker 1: understand the not guilty on the sixty grand she ripped
36:57
Speaker 1: off from Rachel Delight Williams. Was this is Jerry's thinking?
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Speaker 15: Well.
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Speaker 8: I spoke to a couple of jurors after the verdict
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Speaker 8: and they kind of felt that in the end, Rachel
37:08
Speaker 8: came out ahead, even though it was this like really
37:10
Speaker 8: stressful situation for her where she had put the payment
37:15
Speaker 8: for this trip on her work visa card and just
37:19
Speaker 8: you know, it was a sum of money that was
37:21
Speaker 8: greater than what she earned as a salary. But eventually,
37:26
Speaker 8: you know, she did, she did end up with I
37:32
Speaker 8: think her book advance was three hundred thousand dollars. I
37:34
Speaker 8: don't know what she got paid from HBO. So I
37:37
Speaker 8: think that they just didn't feel that bad for her.
37:39
Speaker 1: But why because why do they not feel bad for
37:42
Speaker 1: Rachel Williams.
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Speaker 8: Because she was also using Anna Soroken. You could say,
37:47
Speaker 8: like she, you know, it's sort of weird, like she's
37:49
Speaker 8: going out with Anna all the time, and Anna it's
37:52
Speaker 8: always paying for absolutely everything. You know, I personally wouldn't
37:58
Speaker 8: feel that comfortable if I was going out with somebody,
38:01
Speaker 8: even if they were much wealthier than me, with them
38:04
Speaker 8: flitting the bill every time. So I think that was kind.
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Speaker 1: Of their reasoning. Take a listen to what happens immediately
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Speaker 1: when she walks out from behind bars are cut fourteen
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Speaker 1: inside edition.
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Speaker 4: If you walked out of prison a free woman, HI
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Speaker 4: on a What was the first thing you did that brought.
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Speaker 14: Me my phone?
38:21
Speaker 1: So I got on social media.
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Speaker 6: She came out of prison and immediately set down to
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Speaker 6: do this interview with us and immediately went on social
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Speaker 6: media and immediately started to resume kind of a glamorous life.
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Speaker 1: So the first thing she does is on social media.
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Speaker 1: What does that tell you? Doctor Rockwell, the same thing and.
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Speaker 12: Tells you, Doctor Gray, that she didn't feel all bad
38:46
Speaker 12: about one thing through this entire event, that there's a
38:50
Speaker 12: lack of conscience, and that she was loving the spotlight
38:54
Speaker 12: and she couldn't wait to get back into it. As
38:56
Speaker 12: I say, it's an addiction. It makes the horror flash
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Speaker 12: in your mind. You have endorsements, your brain comes alive
39:05
Speaker 12: with your own image, and you love it. You salivate
39:08
Speaker 12: over it. And that's what happened to Panna Sorkin.
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Speaker 1: Jim ellis Certified Fraught Examiner, are now with his own
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Speaker 1: firm JKE Texas dot Com. Jim shopaholics or people that
39:21
Speaker 1: get a thrill out of buying things. I think Anna
39:24
Speaker 1: Sorokan aka n Anna Delvy got a thrill of some
39:30
Speaker 1: sort of this fake life she was leading. Do you
39:35
Speaker 1: think someone like her can turn over a new leaf
39:40
Speaker 1: or is this just who she is?
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Speaker 13: Well, that's a good question. I mean I always hope.
39:44
Speaker 1: I did say what you hope, Jim ellis you investigated
39:49
Speaker 1: so many con guys, what do you think they don't stop?
39:53
Speaker 13: I mean, as you pointed out, she immediately got back
39:57
Speaker 13: on social media. And I agree with doctor Rockwell that
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Speaker 13: it was for the endorphent rush of getting that hit,
40:06
Speaker 13: of getting that fame and putting out that projection. But
40:08
Speaker 13: I think it's also a certain aspect that is rebuilding
40:13
Speaker 13: her stature so that she can now see where she
40:18
Speaker 13: can get her next meal ticket from. But who in
40:22
Speaker 13: the right mind would want to work with somebody that
40:27
Speaker 13: just got out of prison for defrauding hundreds of thousands
40:31
Speaker 13: of dollars from the people she was closest to.
40:34
Speaker 1: Well, as predicted, Annasaurican aka and Adelve has appeared again.
40:41
Speaker 1: She won't go away. Has she ever considered going home?
40:45
Speaker 1: Is there any way to deport this woman? After being
40:49
Speaker 1: placed on house arrest and throwing one high profile party
40:52
Speaker 1: after the next in her apartment and again that's under
40:56
Speaker 1: house arrest, she is now pursuing her art. Anne has
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Speaker 1: landed on a Netflix series, but regardless of Netflix, she
41:07
Speaker 1: will be best known for her storing role in court.
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Speaker 1: Don't worry, you haven't heard the last of Anna Delvey
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime stories. Signing off goodbye friend,