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The Kenny Report | 23 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. Tonight, Labor's dealing with the Greens.
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister recommends a second preference vote for a
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  Speaker 2: radical Greens candidate in his own seat, and he says
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't even know who she is. The coalition spends
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  Speaker 2: up big on defense, with an extra twenty one billion
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  Speaker 2: dollars over five years to keep the country safe. And
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  Speaker 2: I speak with one hundred year old World War II
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  Speaker 2: veteran ahead of a unique new Anzac Eve com commemoration.
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  Speaker 2: Also tonight, Pauline Hanson just sit the Naberjipper Price, Joel
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  Speaker 2: Fitzgibbon and the Wednesday wrangle with Justin and Liz on
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  Speaker 2: the unbearable silence of the.
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  Speaker 1: TARLMP Monique Ryan, Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk about the alban eazy Labor government and their
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  Speaker 2: best mates, the Greens. You know, the mob they rely
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  Speaker 2: on to get anything through the at it. The Greens
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  Speaker 2: are the same mob that wanted to legalized drugs, have
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  Speaker 2: proposed death penalties or death duty sorry, and they also
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  Speaker 2: oppose negative gearing as well as aggressively demonize Israel. Labor
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  Speaker 2: does preference deals with the Greens in almost every electorate,
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  Speaker 2: and most Labour MPs rely on Green's preferences to get elected.
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  Speaker 1: That's how close they are. They're peas in a political pod.
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  Speaker 2: And after this election Labor might actually need the Greens
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  Speaker 2: to guarantee supply in the Lower House, in other words,
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  Speaker 2: to form government. Yet this is what we got from
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister at last night's leaders debate. Will you
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  Speaker 2: do a.
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  Speaker 3: Deal with minority parties?
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  Speaker 4: Prime Minister No, mister Dutton, not.
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  Speaker 5: With the Greens, but with independence. And that's not a
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  Speaker 5: truthful answer from the Prime Minister there. It's not that
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  Speaker 5: the Labor Party will fall over themselves to do a
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  Speaker 5: deal with the Greens.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's just you preference them untruth no deal with
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  Speaker 1: the Greens.
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  Speaker 2: If you believe that, well, you'd also believe Labour's promised
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  Speaker 2: that they were going to cut power prices by childred
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  Speaker 2: seventy five dollars a year, or you'd believe the dodgy
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  Speaker 2: costings from renewable energy lobbyists that Labour uses to claim
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  Speaker 2: that the coalition's nuclear plan will cost five or six
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  Speaker 2: times what it will actually cost, much less in fact
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  Speaker 2: than Labour's renewables plan.
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  Speaker 1: So I suppose that in this environment, words.
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  Speaker 2: Are useless when it comes to political falsehoods. It's better
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  Speaker 2: to look at actions. And what did Labor do the
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  Speaker 2: last time they formed minority government, Well, that was when
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  Speaker 2: Julia Gillard signed a deal with the Greens. They actually
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  Speaker 2: inked it in front of the cameras, and the upshot
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  Speaker 2: of that was a carbon tax. Yep, the Greens got
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  Speaker 2: what they wanted, but voters did not. And what about
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  Speaker 2: Anthony ob Easy's actions, Well, he says he will not
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  Speaker 2: do a deal with the Greens, as you just saw.
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  Speaker 2: But in his very own seat of Grainbler, on his
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  Speaker 2: very own how to vote card, he's giving his second
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  Speaker 2: preference to the Greens candidate. Yeah, Albanezi is recommending people
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  Speaker 2: give their second preference to Hannah Thomas of the Greens. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Thomas is your typical Green extremist, hardline against big business,
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  Speaker 2: against dispatchable energy, and against Israel. Here she is on
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  Speaker 2: social media with Green's Senator Marine Ferruki.
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  Speaker 6: Like so many in our Inner West community, I'm absolutely
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  Speaker 6: horrified by Israel's genocide in Gaza, which has resumed with
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  Speaker 6: increased ferocity since Israel broke the ceasefire.
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  Speaker 7: Our government still won't take any reelection, no sanctions, no
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  Speaker 7: ending the two War Armstreet, and no expelling the Israeli ambassador.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Hannah Thomas there, the prime minister's second choice
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  Speaker 2: for his own seat. Albanize says he won't deal.
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  Speaker 1: With the Greens. He won't do a deal with the Greens.
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  Speaker 2: But Labour's done a preference deal in his very own
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  Speaker 2: seat and quized on it today. Albaneze, he claimed he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't even know who that candidate is.
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  Speaker 8: I wouldn't have been able to tell you if you'd
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  Speaker 8: have asked me who the candidate was.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Prime Minister of the country is recommending that
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  Speaker 2: voters give their second preference to someone he claims not
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  Speaker 2: to know anything about.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Albo, here's a little reminder.
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  Speaker 6: My name is Hannah Thomas, and I'm your Greens candidate
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  Speaker 6: for Greenler. We'll fight for truth, treaty and justice with
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  Speaker 6: Post Nations people, and add to the cruel treatment of
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  Speaker 6: refugees and take a strong stand against Israel's genocide in Gaza.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Hannah Thomas says, a vote for her is a
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  Speaker 2: vote for Palestine, and Albo preferences her. Look, this is terrible,
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  Speaker 2: of course, this gives you an insight into the sort
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  Speaker 2: of people and the sort.
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  Speaker 1: Of attitudes that Labor is preferencing.
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  Speaker 2: The Greens will have enormous influence over Labor if they
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  Speaker 2: help them to form minority government. Labor will preference the
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  Speaker 2: Greens in almost every seat it holds right around the country.
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  Speaker 1: Sixty nine of.
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  Speaker 2: Labour's current seventy seven MP's were actually elected on Green's preferences.
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  Speaker 2: A vote for the Greens has long been a vote
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  Speaker 2: for Labor, but increasingly it seems that a vote for
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  Speaker 2: labor is also a vote for the Greens. The big
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  Speaker 2: focus from the coalition today was defense and their commitment
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  Speaker 2: to boost defense spending by twenty one billion dollars over
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  Speaker 2: the next five years.
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  Speaker 5: In Australia, Labour parties were eighty billion dollars out of
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  Speaker 5: defense at a time. They tell us that we should
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  Speaker 5: be try to bolster our defenses and you don't achieve
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  Speaker 5: peace through weakness, and the trouble at the moment is
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  Speaker 5: that we've got a weak prime minister, which is why
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  Speaker 5: we've had bad economic policy.
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  Speaker 9: This is a big, big announcement and it sends a
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  Speaker 9: signal to the world as well that we are serious
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  Speaker 9: about defense. We can't take anything for granted anymore. If
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  Speaker 9: there's a lesson out of Ukraine, it's that you've got
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  Speaker 9: to be able to stand up on your own two feet,
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  Speaker 9: at least until your allies can come.
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  Speaker 1: And support you.
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  Speaker 9: And I think with the election of President Trump, America
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  Speaker 9: is moving to a America first posture.
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  Speaker 1: We still have a strong.
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  Speaker 9: Relationship with the United States, but we can't take anything
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  Speaker 9: for granted.
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  Speaker 2: I'll have more on all this with Senator Jasimpa now
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  Speaker 2: nabajimper Price later in the program, but also on the campaign.
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  Speaker 1: Let me make a pretty important point.
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  Speaker 2: On labor and its promises. Here's what they promised last time.
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  Speaker 8: We will put it in place mechanisms that provide cost
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  Speaker 8: of living relief.
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  Speaker 6: Under labor, you'll have a government which cares about cost
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  Speaker 6: of living and has plans to deal with It'll.
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  Speaker 8: Build people's living standards up a better future with real
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  Speaker 8: plants to addresses the cost of living.
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  Speaker 5: And to ease the pressure that too many Australians are
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  Speaker 5: feeling during this full blown cost of living crisis.
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  Speaker 8: Taking pressure off the cost of living, but dressing cost
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  Speaker 8: of living issues to take pressure off living standards.
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  Speaker 1: Meaningful help with your cost of living.
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  Speaker 2: The reality is, of course, that the cost of living
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  Speaker 2: has only increased. We've been in a per capita recession
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  Speaker 2: for most of Labour's term. Mortgages, grocery prices, and electricity
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  Speaker 2: prices have all skyrocketed rather than been lowered as Labour promised,
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  Speaker 2: Which is why this question and answer was so telling
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  Speaker 2: in the Leader's debate last night.
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  Speaker 3: Are you prepared to repeat that pledge that in another
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  Speaker 3: three years time?
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  Speaker 8: Oh, we certainly want people to be better off in
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  Speaker 8: three years time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how badly Labor has performed. They came to
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  Speaker 2: power promising to make us better off and they failed.
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  Speaker 2: So now they won't even try to promise to make
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  Speaker 2: us better off. They just say they want people to
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  Speaker 2: be better off.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we all do, Albo. We all want to be
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  Speaker 1: better off, but we're not.
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  Speaker 2: Labor has promised one thing and delivered the opposite. I
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  Speaker 2: spoke last night about the ABC and how it's misusing
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  Speaker 2: your tax dollars last Sunday's Compass program. The Easter Sunday
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  Speaker 2: edition of Compass No Less Spruit, a new religion founded
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  Speaker 2: by artist debraah Kelly on the back of Trump's election victory.
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  Speaker 2: It seems to be a so called religion of Trump
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  Speaker 2: derangement syndrome, also of climate alarmism, queer culture, anarchy, and lord.
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  Speaker 1: Knows what else. You couldn't make this stuff up.
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  Speaker 4: It is a covertly indigenous theology which is profoundly anarchistic, collectivist,
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  Speaker 4: queer feminist, worshipful of earth and its entwine systems.
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  Speaker 1: It's witchcraft, your taxpayer dollars. They're hard at work.
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  Speaker 2: Are religion tailor made for the ABC, perhaps the only
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  Speaker 2: religion to suit them at the ABC. Well, I just
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  Speaker 2: want to share another example of the national broadcaster abusing
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  Speaker 2: your tax dollars. The ABC is advertising for a senior
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  Speaker 2: advisor Diversity and Inclusion. In fact, it's two jobs, one
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  Speaker 2: full time and the other part time, only three days
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  Speaker 2: a week. I wonder if that's working from home. And
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  Speaker 2: these jobs pay pretty well, from one hundred and six
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  Speaker 2: thousand up to one hundred and thirty thousand dollars a year,
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  Speaker 2: and of course they come with fifteen percent superannuation. If
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  Speaker 2: you're interested, you'd be required to analyze work, workforce data,
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  Speaker 2: and employee feedback to identify diversity and inclusion trends, gaps
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  Speaker 2: and opportunities in other words, create a spreadsheet and divide
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  Speaker 2: employers by sexuality, race, and gender and the like. Interestingly,
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  Speaker 2: the ad notes the ABC also aims to achieve a
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  Speaker 2: gender balanced workforce. I thought we weren't supposed to see
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  Speaker 2: the world in such binary terms, But looking at their
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  Speaker 2: latest diversity report, Auntie employs almost fifty six percent women
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  Speaker 2: and forty three and a half percent men. Maybe that's
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  Speaker 2: why they need another diversity advisor to address this imbalance
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  Speaker 2: and employ and employ more people who.
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  Speaker 1: Identify as men. Look, as you know.
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  Speaker 2: The only diversity they do not have at the ABC
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  Speaker 2: is the one thing their extra diversity officers will not address,
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  Speaker 2: and that is ideological or political diversity.
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  Speaker 1: None of the other diversity should matter.
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  Speaker 2: We shouldn't care whether people are men or women, are African, Indigenous, Caucasian,
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  Speaker 2: or Asian. We shouldn't care if they're gay, straight, or bisexual,
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  Speaker 2: or what religion they are. But we do need different
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  Speaker 2: ideas at the ABC. We do need a contest of ideas.
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  Speaker 2: And the trouble is that the ABC all we get
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  Speaker 2: is an ideological monoculture. The only diversity is various shades
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  Speaker 2: of green left, and that means they're taking a lot
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  Speaker 2: of taxpayers dollars under false pretenses. Let's cross the Queensland
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  Speaker 2: down and catch up with the One Nation leader and
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  Speaker 2: founder Pauline Hanson. Thanks for joining us, Pauline, to tell
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  Speaker 2: you what if you ever left politics, that's a good
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  Speaker 2: job for you.
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  Speaker 1: Diversity and inclusion at the ABC, they.
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  Speaker 7: Wouldn't even give me a second look. I think you
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  Speaker 7: should go into politics, Chris. I think you covered this
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  Speaker 7: quite nicely. I can see you on the floor in
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  Speaker 7: Parliament espousing these views.
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  Speaker 2: You tell them they need more redheads, tell them they
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  Speaker 2: need more right wing redheads.
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  Speaker 1: Beat them at their own game, divers. Now give us your.
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  Speaker 2: Thoughts on the coalition announcement today from Peter Dutton and
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty. Twenty one billion dollars extra in defense over
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  Speaker 2: the next five years. Not much detail, if any, about
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  Speaker 2: what it will be spent on. We know they're going
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  Speaker 2: to go for that fourth squadron of the Joint Strike Fighter.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good move. What else, what else would the
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  Speaker 1: money be spent on?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we know that there's a problem with personnel
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  Speaker 2: and recruiting and maintaining staff. Do you think we've got
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  Speaker 2: enough on the table from this announcement today?
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  Speaker 7: Well, it's a start, Chris, and that's what's important about it,
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  Speaker 7: and I'm back it for they. We do need to
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  Speaker 7: put more money into defense. I've done five defense programs
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  Speaker 7: with through the Parliament and I've learned a lot, you know,
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  Speaker 7: from the submarines over to Afghanistan, to the air force,
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  Speaker 7: the border force, and we do need to ensure that
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  Speaker 7: we have national security for our country. I don't feel
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  Speaker 7: confident or feel safe under the Labor government because Albany
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  Speaker 7: has disregarded the Chinese being.
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  Speaker 1: In our waters.
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  Speaker 7: He thinks that just because they call him handsome board
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  Speaker 7: boy that he gets on well with him. By tellyo,
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  Speaker 7: what I've been told is the word handsome handsome boy
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  Speaker 7: is actually an insult. So it's really an insult. It's
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  Speaker 7: not a compliment to alban easy. So they probably want
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  Speaker 7: to keep him there. He's not going to put up
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  Speaker 7: defense funding by no means we're way behind the eight ball.
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  Speaker 7: I think it's good moved by the coalition. And when
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  Speaker 7: Don Ferro said the other day, he said, oh, well,
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  Speaker 7: if we get in trouble we need defense, we can
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  Speaker 7: call one New Zealand give me a break. I don't
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  Speaker 7: think New Zealand will be able to defend us against
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  Speaker 7: China or anyone else.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't say that tod the that must have scared
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  Speaker 2: passed me. I didn't realize that was Don Farrell. Was
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  Speaker 2: it New Zealand?
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  Speaker 1: I mean they have no defense force effective. I suppose
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  Speaker 1: it's a.
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  Speaker 7: Pretty ABC Last Sunday, I'll check it out.
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  Speaker 2: This hasn't figured very prominently really, the debate here. I
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  Speaker 2: still can't get over the way Anthony Albanisi, instead of
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  Speaker 2: admonishing China or demanding more information from China over those
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  Speaker 2: live firing exercises in the Tasman Sea, he essentially made
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  Speaker 2: excuses for China ran the argument from Beijing. And he
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  Speaker 2: hasn't exercised much to alarm about Russia dealing with Indonesia either.
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  Speaker 1: No, he hasn't.
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  Speaker 7: And I've got to ask people, you know, if there
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  Speaker 7: is a war to breakout between Taiwan and China, where
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  Speaker 7: are we going to stand with it? With the Labor government,
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  Speaker 7: what are they going to do about it? Will they
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  Speaker 7: actually try and defend Taiwan being taken over or what
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  Speaker 7: are they going to do? This is important questions need
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  Speaker 7: to be asked of Elmaneesi because they said, you know,
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  Speaker 7: you could disrupt over there in about twenty twenty seven,
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  Speaker 7: So we've only got a couple of years that this
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  Speaker 7: may happen. And if that be the case, we're going
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  Speaker 7: to have a labor government by the looks of the polls,
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  Speaker 7: and I hope not so even that with Russia, with Indonesia,
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  Speaker 7: we haven't been told the truth. He hasn't been forthcoming
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  Speaker 7: to tell these strange people what is going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got to get to speaking of Poles, I've
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  Speaker 2: got to get to your thoughts on preference deals. I've
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  Speaker 2: talked a lot at the top of the program about
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  Speaker 2: Labor and the Greens preferences. You've changed a lot of
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  Speaker 2: one nation preferences to favor the Coalition in the last
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  Speaker 2: couple of days, including in Peter Dutton's own seat of Dixon,
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  Speaker 2: where he's.
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  Speaker 1: Got a very narrow margin. What have the coalition given
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  Speaker 1: you in return?
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  Speaker 7: Well, they didn't give anything to us in return. Why
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  Speaker 7: it came about chrisis. We've always had the Coalition ahead
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  Speaker 7: of Labor, Teals and the Greens. We've always said that,
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  Speaker 7: but we had minor parties before the coalition preference flow.
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  Speaker 7: But since Clive Palmer came out and said he's actually
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  Speaker 7: going to preference the teals and labor before the holition
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  Speaker 7: members of Parliament.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that's not.
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  Speaker 7: On because if we went out before Clive Palmer did,
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  Speaker 7: our preferences would possibly flow to him, which would flow
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  Speaker 7: to the tills and flow to the labor. And therefore
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  Speaker 7: that's why we changed it in about ten or eleven seats.
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  Speaker 7: So we change it so we would give our second
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  Speaker 7: preference to the call it and Government, especially Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 7: He's on a one point seven percent margin, so it
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  Speaker 7: is imperative that Peter Dutton gets back in and wins
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  Speaker 7: his seat.
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  Speaker 1: And I would not.
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  Speaker 7: I don't trust Clive Palmer. He's talk about you know,
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  Speaker 7: someone has done the wrong by his preferences putting out there.
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  Speaker 7: That's a load of rubbish, absolute rubbish. They would have
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  Speaker 7: control of it, they owned the graphics, they would have
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  Speaker 7: sent it to the printers. This is a cover up
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  Speaker 7: because he knows it's been a backlash. He's got his
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  Speaker 7: own candidates walking away from him, he's got volunteers that
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  Speaker 7: won't hand out how about cars for him now? So
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  Speaker 7: it's been a backlash against Clive Palmer. And I'm pleased
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  Speaker 7: to see it because he's not good for the country.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well done and well said. Thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: Alline Pauline has in their Live from Queensland.
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  Speaker 2: That is a big issue, the Clive Palmer Trumpet of
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  Speaker 2: Patriots mob.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I don't know why people would vote for them.
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  Speaker 1: I know some of you do.
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  Speaker 2: You have your own reasons, but remember that his preference
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  Speaker 2: recommendations could be very very damaging for the Coalition. A
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  Speaker 2: lot of them going to teals and the like before
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  Speaker 2: the coalition. So remember you have control over your preferences.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to vote for the Trumpet of Patriots
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  Speaker 2: number one, don't forget go number two for the Coalition candidate, otherwise.
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  Speaker 1: Your vote will end up going to labor.
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  Speaker 2: Let's bring in the former defense minister, the former Labor
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  Speaker 2: Defense Minister, Joel Fitzgiven, to get his take on the
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  Speaker 2: election campaign this week. Thanks for joining us, Joel. First off,
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  Speaker 2: I've got to give your thoughts on this announcement today.
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  Speaker 2: As I said before, not much detail, but twenty one
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  Speaker 2: billion dollars extra over five years from the Coalition for defense.
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  Speaker 1: I'm presuming you would agree.
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  Speaker 2: That that's good to see that funding allocation.
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  Speaker 10: I was looking forward to it. Chris, and I'll always
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  Speaker 10: welcome more money for defense. I have very firm views
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  Speaker 10: about our strategic outlook and the sort of force we
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  Speaker 10: need to both to take care of ourselves. We're out
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  Speaker 10: necessarily relying upon others. So I was looking forward to it.
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  Speaker 10: But it was a bit disappointing, I have to say, Chris.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, the current government will be spending by the
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  Speaker 10: end of the decade twice what it's spending now, and
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  Speaker 10: it's current trajectory going from around fifty billion dollars to
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  Speaker 10: around one hundred billion dollars. Peter's announced some more money today,
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  Speaker 10: but two problems. He hasn't said where the money's coming from,
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  Speaker 10: and I mean that's been a bit of a problem
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  Speaker 10: right throughout the campaign, and nor has he nominated where
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  Speaker 10: he's going to spend the money. He made some passing
• 18:48
  Speaker 10: references to guided missiles and to drones, but nothing more
• 18:55
  Speaker 10: specific than that. So it's pretty hard for me to
• 18:59
  Speaker 10: say anything too positive about it, to be frank, and
• 19:02
  Speaker 10: it's a bit disappointing.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: We know there's that extra squadron of joint strike fighters
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: on the list, three billion dollars worth there, and we
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: know that our defense forces desperately need drone. So we'll
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: see if there's more detail on that in the days
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: to come. What about the leader's debate last night on
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Channel nine, What did you make of that? A lot
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: of people scoring it narrowly for either Peter Dutton or
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi.
• 19:25
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I found it as tough as did the journalists
• 19:28
  Speaker 10: both on the nine panel and in the newspapers today
• 19:31
  Speaker 10: to call it it was very very close. Again, they
• 19:36
  Speaker 10: both acquitted themselves, I think very very well. I think
• 19:40
  Speaker 10: maybe we're scoring at the wrong way. I mean, Alban
• 19:43
  Speaker 10: Eazy only need to play safe the last five minutes
• 19:47
  Speaker 10: in the game now howbos eight points in front. He
• 19:51
  Speaker 10: needs to just run down the clock and I think
• 19:53
  Speaker 10: he did that very very well. Peter of course has
• 19:57
  Speaker 10: to be more innovative, more exciting. He needs to try
• 19:59
  Speaker 10: a few things, and I think he did that well
• 20:02
  Speaker 10: last night too. But again there were no big mistakes
• 20:05
  Speaker 10: from either of them. And I've said it before, I
• 20:07
  Speaker 10: don't think these debates count for much unless someone makes
• 20:11
  Speaker 10: a big mistakes and it goes viral the next day.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: I mean I think with the Poles as they are,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton really need to really needed to thump for
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanez. He put him right back on his haunches
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: at some stage, and he didn't do that. They just
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: had a good willing contest, both of them sprouting off
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: about political lies.
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: Bulk billing was in free fall because the incoming Liberal
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: government the last time they won, ripped fifty billion dollars
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: out of the hospital system. This minister, when Peter was
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: the Health Minister, tried to introduce the GP tax, which
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: would have abolished bulk billing all together. You ripped eighty
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: billion dollars out of those two items in two thousand
• 20:51
  Speaker 8: and four.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Minister, you couldn't slice straight in bed. Honestly, this is unbelievable.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: It can go to abuse. Well, it's just the abuse.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: That's a sign of desperation.
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: Should frankly as he's lying, that's a sign of desperation.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton also pointed out that the six hundred billion
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: dollar figure for nuclear is dodgy. Is all get up
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: about five times what it really is. With this sort
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: of this sort of debating and these sorts of falsehoods
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: being put about, how do voters actually work out fact
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: from fiction?
• 21:23
  Speaker 10: Well, they can't other than to rely on comment others
• 21:26
  Speaker 10: like gil In, journalists writing the newspapers every day. I mean,
• 21:30
  Speaker 10: when they start talking about budget projections over the ten
• 21:34
  Speaker 10: year period, it's a bit like lies, damn lies and statistics.
• 21:38
  Speaker 10: So they both can be absolutely right at the same
• 21:41
  Speaker 10: time while arguing a different case. And it's if possible
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: for people at home who don't really understand and shouldn't understand,
• 21:48
  Speaker 10: shouldn't be expected to understand how the budget works, it's
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: still possible for them to come to a conclusion. So
• 21:54
  Speaker 10: from the perspective of the candidates, I'm not sure that's
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: a good thing or a bad.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Now let's talk about the outcome I would have
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I thought. I think the polling is so messy and
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: the swings and roundabouts in various seats and states are
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: going to vary so much that anything is possible. But
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: with that caveat, everything points to what you've talked about
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: from the get go, and that is the probability of
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: a labor minority government.
• 22:22
  Speaker 10: That's right, and I'm not walking away from that prediction yet,
• 22:26
  Speaker 10: but I have to say that as each day goes by,
• 22:30
  Speaker 10: it looks more likely or more possible for Albo to
• 22:36
  Speaker 10: secure a majority. It's been a pretty bad campaign for
• 22:39
  Speaker 10: the Coalition. I have to say they started in a
• 22:42
  Speaker 10: good position. Not much as gone right for them, and
• 22:46
  Speaker 10: I have to say have a little bit of a
• 22:48
  Speaker 10: bit of luck along the way too. I don't think
• 22:50
  Speaker 10: you deny that.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think some of the distractions have been good
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: for him. But he really has campaigned a lot more
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: confidently than he did last time, that's for sure.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Mind you didn't said a very high bar last time
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: at all.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Thanks very much for joining us, Joel. I appreciate it, Joe.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: It's given there the former Labor Defense Minister. We've got
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: to get to a break. I'm really looking forward to
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: sharing something with you on the other side of this break.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I speak with a.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: One hundred year old World War II veteran ahead of
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: a unique new Anzac Eve commemoration tomorrow. Now, this program
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: will not be airing here at five o'clock tomorrow night.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I don't like missing a night of the Kenny Report,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: but in this case it's worthwhile for a very special reason,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: and it's to do with Anzac Day. And the reason
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: that the Kenny Report will not be airing here tomorrow
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: night is because we will be broadcasting.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Live a special anzac Eve event.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Lest we forget, it's put on by the Australian Remembrance
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Foundation for the first time. This event will be staged
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: on the steps of the Sydney Opera House, so it's
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: bound to be absolutely spectacular as well as very moving.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: And one of the veterans appearing at this event will
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: be one hundred year old John McCauley. I spoke with
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: John earlier today. He had a tough upbringing in out
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: back South Australia and then Broken Hill where he worked
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: in the local bank as a seventeen year old. But
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: on the day he turned eighteen years old, at the
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: height of the Second World War in nineteen forty two,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: John McCauley enlisted.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I started today by asking.
• 24:34
  Speaker 11: Him why, and I felt an obligation to do what
• 24:39
  Speaker 11: I could to support Australia at a very critical time.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: It wasn't long before you'd done your training and you
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: were there in New Guinea as an RBAF radar operator.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Can you remember what you felt like at the time.
• 25:02
  Speaker 11: Well, it was a novel experience for me. Of course.
• 25:10
  Speaker 11: There was a lot of uncertainty. The only thing that
• 25:14
  Speaker 11: was certain was the discipline that I had and the
• 25:18
  Speaker 11: training and the expertise that I had in the film
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: of the radar equipment. That was my motivation at that time.
• 25:36
  Speaker 11: It was to do what I had to do towards
• 25:43
  Speaker 11: defending Australia at a critical situation.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: An absolutely critical time. But you were only eighteen and
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: nineteen years old. Can you remember the emotions at the time.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: There would have been some sense of excitement, but do
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: you remember the fear and the camaraderie.
• 26:04
  Speaker 11: Well, the camaraderie was absolutely vital. My friends were young
• 26:13
  Speaker 11: same age as me, and there was a cooperation between us,
• 26:21
  Speaker 11: all of all the young young men that we were
• 26:25
  Speaker 11: doing something that was right and proper at the time.
• 26:31
  Speaker 11: That was that was supported by the discipline that we had,
• 26:38
  Speaker 11: the rules we had to follow, the work we had
• 26:41
  Speaker 11: to do. That's what kept us going, and we made
• 26:47
  Speaker 11: our own enjoyment and fun amongst ourselves. We were a
• 26:56
  Speaker 11: world to one another. That's my understanding now of what
• 27:03
  Speaker 11: it was like those years ago.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: You've reached your century now you're one hundred years old,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: but you kept many of those friendships from your time
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: in your guinea for many many decades after the war.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Didn't you.
• 27:19
  Speaker 11: Yes, we were lifelong friends and we kept our relationships
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: going for many, many years.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Is that why Anzac Day is so special to you?
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: To remember those people? It's all right, John, Yes, difficult memories.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: You still march. You marched last year year at age
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: ninety nine years?
• 27:59
  Speaker 11: Were I do so to honor the memory of not
• 28:09
  Speaker 11: only my comrades that I hadn't in radar, but also
• 28:15
  Speaker 11: of course all those thousands of others that felt likewise
• 28:26
  Speaker 11: and served Australia and performed duties according to their to
• 28:36
  Speaker 11: their work in the various forces, the Army, Navy and
• 28:44
  Speaker 11: Air Force. So that's my motivation in taking part in
• 28:50
  Speaker 11: the in the annual Anzact Day march, to remind myself
• 28:59
  Speaker 11: of of the friendship, to honor their memory.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: It's so special, John, It's so special that you're still
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: doing that and that other people and younger generations can
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: learn about this and keep the tradition going and honor
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: everybody who served this country. And so tomorrow night you're
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: going to be part of a very special service at.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: The Opera House.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: The less we forget sunset tribute, that's going to be
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: a very special occasion, isn't it.
• 29:30
  Speaker 11: Yes, yes, I'm looking forward to that and taking part
• 29:37
  Speaker 11: with people that have from similar attitudes and desires to
• 29:54
  Speaker 11: honor the memory of those who have gone before us
• 30:00
  Speaker 11: and have did their duties to serve as ray and
• 30:05
  Speaker 11: keep it safe for our families and for all Australians.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: John, it's an honor to speak with you, and let
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: me just say one word on behalf of myself and
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: I'm certain all of our viewers, and that is thank
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: you so much to you and your colleagues for your service.
• 30:31
  Speaker 11: Yes, well, thank you for that expression. But yeah, it's
• 30:40
  Speaker 11: it's it's a feeling that we have all Australians who
• 30:47
  Speaker 11: will have on Hansact Day that they also remember all
• 30:55
  Speaker 11: those who have served and and have kept Australia safe
• 31:05
  Speaker 11: and the wonderful country. Is that. It is.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Just extraordinary, isn't it not?
• 31:13
  Speaker 11: Bad?
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: For one hundred years old and those memories are more
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: than eighty years old and they still bring back powerful emotions.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: For John, what an honor it was to meet John.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: He and his late wife Margaret, had three children, and
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: John now has nine grandchildren and thirty great grandchildren. Don't
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: forget that that ceremony five o'clock tomorrow night live here
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: on sky in place of this program, lest we forget
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Harbor Sunset Tribute. It should be absolutely wonderful and you'll
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: be able to keep an eye up for John now
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: coming up. Just sit at now Berjibber Price joins me
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: live plus the Wednesday Wrangle with Justin and Liz on
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: the unbearable silence of.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: That TLMP Monique Ryan.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Let's now catch up with the Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: also in charge of government cost cutting. Just into Namba
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Jimpa Price joining us live from Darwin. Thanks for joining
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: us to center.
• 32:13
  Speaker 12: Thanks for having me Chris, Hello everyone.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Big announcement today from the Coalition. I think a welcome announcement.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Even Joel Fitzgibbons says it's welcome in terms of his
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: general aim twenty one billion dollars extra for the defense
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: over the next five years. Where's the money going to
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: come from?
• 32:31
  Speaker 12: Well, you know, as I've been tasked with the job
• 32:34
  Speaker 12: of government efficiency going forward, obviously we need to be
• 32:38
  Speaker 12: able to win government so we can have a look
• 32:41
  Speaker 12: at the books and understand across all portfolios where there
• 32:45
  Speaker 12: is we know that there's a lot of government waste
• 32:48
  Speaker 12: and where we can redirect those funds to things like
• 32:52
  Speaker 12: our national defense, which is in a terrible situation and
• 32:57
  Speaker 12: has been weak under Albanezi, which is why we've seen
• 33:03
  Speaker 12: Chinese government warships circumnavigating our country, and more should have
• 33:09
  Speaker 12: been done in order to bolster defense in our country.
• 33:13
  Speaker 12: So I'm very pleased that we are going to invest
• 33:16
  Speaker 12: in our nation's defense and an increase spending and put
• 33:23
  Speaker 12: our spend to two point five percent of GDP in
• 33:26
  Speaker 12: terms of our defense, which is really quite necessarily, quite
• 33:30
  Speaker 12: necessary in these really uncertain times.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it should be there all the time, never should
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: have sunk so low.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: But look, there's no doubt that there's tens of billions
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: of dollars of government spending and wastage that is there
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: to be found. But has our politics become so reactive
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: now that you can't even identify any of that in
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: the lead up to an election because you get screaming from.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: The government about it.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Or is it a matter if you have to wait
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: till you get into the government to find where all
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: the waste is.
• 33:56
  Speaker 12: Yeah, look, I mean there is a lot of work
• 33:59
  Speaker 12: to be done, and like I said, I think we
• 34:01
  Speaker 12: need to be able to see what's going on within
• 34:03
  Speaker 12: the Treasury, to understand the lay of the land, to
• 34:06
  Speaker 12: be able to know where we can you know, divert
• 34:10
  Speaker 12: funds to be able to do things like bolster our
• 34:13
  Speaker 12: defense in our country. That is just the fact of
• 34:16
  Speaker 12: the situation. And you know, on the other hand, then
• 34:20
  Speaker 12: you've also got the Prime Minister who has failed in
• 34:24
  Speaker 12: many ways, He's wasted a lot of Australian's taxpayers dollars,
• 34:29
  Speaker 12: who will try to make out as though we're going
• 34:31
  Speaker 12: to cut from the front line, which is simply not true.
• 34:34
  Speaker 12: But we've seen how this Prime Minister can't lie straight
• 34:38
  Speaker 12: in bed at night and falsify the circumstances. I mean,
• 34:43
  Speaker 12: you know, they're able to find money willy nilly and
• 34:47
  Speaker 12: throw it around all over the place and not come
• 34:50
  Speaker 12: up with the numbers when it comes to their push
• 34:53
  Speaker 12: for renewables and then make up lies about six hundred
• 34:57
  Speaker 12: billion dollars. But no, we want to be responsible and
• 35:01
  Speaker 12: that's what I think the Coalition has always been about.
• 35:03
  Speaker 12: Responsibly handling the books on behalf of taxpayers in our
• 35:08
  Speaker 12: country and knowing where we can redirect taxpayers funds to
• 35:13
  Speaker 12: support our country in practical ways, in ways that we
• 35:18
  Speaker 12: know is going to provide outcomes, it's going to make
• 35:21
  Speaker 12: our country safer. At the same time, I want to.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Ask you about political preferences and preference deals. We know
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: the labor of prefacing the Greens just about everywhere, even
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister preferencing a radical Green in his own seat.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Yet there's been these arrangements from One Nation today where
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: they're going to preference the coalition. That's going to be
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: good for the coalition.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Labour always trying to quate that.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: You know, the Coalition gets prefaces from the One Nation,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: that's no worse than getting preferences from the Greens. But
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: is there any difference? Do you have any serious problems
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: with One Nation policies? It caused a lot of issues
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: in indigenous relations back in the day. Do you have
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: any problems with poor enhancement on those issues now?
• 36:02
  Speaker 12: Oh, look, let's face it. I mean the Greens are
• 36:05
  Speaker 12: absolute radicals. The One Nation aren't radical like the Greens.
• 36:11
  Speaker 12: I mean the anti Semitism that we have seen increase
• 36:15
  Speaker 12: in our country and the division that we've seen increase
• 36:17
  Speaker 12: in our country is ridiculous. You know, One Nation supports
• 36:21
  Speaker 12: efforts like what we want to do in the Indigenous space,
• 36:24
  Speaker 12: which is to audit the billions of dollars that has
• 36:27
  Speaker 12: been spent year in year out, which is to hold
• 36:29
  Speaker 12: the Royal Commission into sexual Abuse in Indigenous communities. And
• 36:33
  Speaker 12: these are very important issues that the Prime Minister has
• 36:39
  Speaker 12: failed on all accounts across the area of Indigenous affairs,
• 36:43
  Speaker 12: has no plan for, would ignore the voices of vulnerable
• 36:48
  Speaker 12: victims in remote communities along with the Greens. The Greens
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: are a very dangerous party who are anti Australian. Let's
• 36:57
  Speaker 12: face it, one nation is not anti Australian, so the
• 37:01
  Speaker 12: Prime Minister to compare the Greens to one nation is
• 37:04
  Speaker 12: utterly ridiculous. And as I've said, you know they've supported
• 37:08
  Speaker 12: motions like holding a Royal Commission to sexual abuse in
• 37:11
  Speaker 12: Indigenous communities and other measures, so there is no comparison
• 37:16
  Speaker 12: at all when it comes to them.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Let me then go to Indigenous issues and the Greens.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I was sort of replay an exerpt from the candidate
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Hannah Thomas, who is running in the seat of Graindler
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: against the Prime Minister. The candidate the Prime Minister is
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: preferencing and note at the start of this clip what
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: she says about indigenous issues.
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: My name is Hannah Thomas and I'm your Green's candidate
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: for Greenler. We'll fight for truth, treaty and justice with
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: First Nations people and to the cruel treatment of refugees
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: and take a strong stand against Israel's genocide in Gaza.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Now, you of course suppose the voice Jasinterra. You and
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I argued about that publicly and privately. But does that suggest,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: of course the Greens still have an agenda there when
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: it comes to treaty and and truth and is that
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: something that they might negotiate with Labor if they have
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: to form minority government.
• 38:07
  Speaker 12: Absolutely, I mean the Greens are completely out of touch
• 38:11
  Speaker 12: when it comes to Indigenous issues. It's the reason why
• 38:14
  Speaker 12: Lydia Thorpe left the Greens because she understood the fact
• 38:17
  Speaker 12: that they weren't interested in listening to Indigenous voices. They
• 38:20
  Speaker 12: have their own agenda. I mean, it's quite infantilizing the
• 38:24
  Speaker 12: Greens that we have in the territory who talk a
• 38:26
  Speaker 12: big talk about treaty and culture and all those things,
• 38:29
  Speaker 12: but they're behind outfits like the Environmental Defenders officers who
• 38:34
  Speaker 12: exploit Aboriginal people and make up fake Indigenous dreaming stories.
• 38:39
  Speaker 12: For their own agendas to block projects. This is what
• 38:42
  Speaker 12: the Greens are all about, thinking that they know what's
• 38:44
  Speaker 12: best for Aboriginal people when they're completely out of touch.
• 38:47
  Speaker 12: I mean, it was a former Green staffer who now
• 38:50
  Speaker 12: works for Our Watch who tells journalists how to report
• 38:53
  Speaker 12: on domestic violence and indigenous affairs and tries to gaslight
• 38:58
  Speaker 12: us to suggest that, you know, violence is not part
• 39:01
  Speaker 12: of traditional culture, when we've got traditional cultural payback going
• 39:04
  Speaker 12: on in places like the Northern Territory, and when those
• 39:07
  Speaker 12: of us who've had the lived experience know that violence
• 39:11
  Speaker 12: is accepted in traditional culture. So the Greens are dangerous.
• 39:14
  Speaker 12: They're interested in their agenda, which is a radical agenda.
• 39:18
  Speaker 12: They're not interested in supporting Indigenous Australians to become well,
• 39:22
  Speaker 12: you know, get off welfare dependency and economically independent, stand
• 39:28
  Speaker 12: on their own two feet. They want to use Aboriginal
• 39:31
  Speaker 12: people for their own vote to maintain power. Again, look
• 39:34
  Speaker 12: at Lydia Thorpe. She left the Greens because she discovered
• 39:37
  Speaker 12: what they're actually really like.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Great to talk to you, thanks for joining us, Thanks
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: for having me just into now b jimber Price.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: They're joining us alive from Darwin.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Let's get into the Wednesday Wrangle now and joining me
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: on the desk as usual as the late debate co
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: host Liz Stora. Good to see you, Liz. And joining
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: us from Melbourne is columnists, broadcaster and man about town
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Justin Smith.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Great to have you back on, Justin Look, I was
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: going to sort of study.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Start off with the sound of one hand clapping and
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: that is the prominent TEARLMP Monique Ryan, who wouldn't speak
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: to Laura Jays yesterday and then last night there was
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: a candidate's forum on refugees issues in Melbourne.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Have a look at what transpired.
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  Speaker 13: My question is actually about political integrity. How can the
• 40:24
  Speaker 13: voters of Kuyong trust your campaign when your husband was
• 40:28
  Speaker 13: caught stealing a core flud of a rival campaign opponent.
• 40:33
  Speaker 13: Would you like to address maybe some trust issues that
• 40:36
  Speaker 13: your campaign might have when your husband, from inside the
• 40:40
  Speaker 13: house is acting in that way.
• 40:46
  Speaker 9: This is.
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  Speaker 1: Liz. It went on for a while.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: She was given the opportunity to respond, chose not to.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: This woman does not want to speak anymore.
• 40:56
  Speaker 14: No, And this is the woman who said in her
• 40:58
  Speaker 14: maiden speech different the tills are going to be honesty, integrity, transparency,
• 41:05
  Speaker 14: and it's going to be really interesting to see how
• 41:07
  Speaker 14: the tills go second time around the Mulberry Bush, because
• 41:10
  Speaker 14: you only get to pull that one trick pony once.
• 41:13
  Speaker 14: If you're going to stand up and run for the
• 41:15
  Speaker 14: first time saying we're going to be so different all
• 41:18
  Speaker 14: those flogs in parliament you always lie to you and
• 41:20
  Speaker 14: pull the.
• 41:21
  Speaker 12: Wool over your eyes.
• 41:22
  Speaker 14: We are going to be the standouts. We are going
• 41:24
  Speaker 14: to set a new standard in Parliament. Well, this many
• 41:28
  Speaker 14: years later, we know that not to be true. So
• 41:31
  Speaker 14: what do they got to run on now?
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's exposed as a hypocriticism.
• 41:35
  Speaker 11: She justin.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Becatt.
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  Speaker 3: I've never really understood the idea of silence anyway. When
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: you I mean, I've never understood people who appear on
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: a media outlet that that completely and utterly agrees with
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: them all the time. During a campaign, surely wouldn't you
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: try and speak to somebody brand new. You've got the
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: opportunity to reach an audience and to get your message
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: across some people who actually may dislike you, and you
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: got the opportunity to win them over. That's something that's
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: really changed in Australian politics as everybody just sort of
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: wants that they don't. They don't want those questions anymore.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: You know, you think about the howards of this world
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: and the keetings of this world. They wanted the questions
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: they have because it gave a chance to sell it,
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: sell it.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: I could not agree more. Now I'm going to take
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I show you a long grab. Now share it with
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: our viewers and with our wranglers, because I think this
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: is very, very important. It's a brilliant bit of advocacy
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: on his own, behalf by the Shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: But the background here is that seven years.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Ago, when he was asked about women being used in
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: combat roles in armed services, he said, no, I've been
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: on the front line in Afghanistan. I know what it's
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: like to be under fire, and I don't think it's
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: fair on the other soldiers there to have a woman
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: in their ranks. So he was asked about that today
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: and listen to how he dealt with it.
• 43:00
  Speaker 9: Worked in the ADF for twelve years eight months and
• 43:03
  Speaker 9: I worked with women all the time. In fact, I
• 43:05
  Speaker 9: did the first close quarter Battle integrated course with females
• 43:09
  Speaker 9: at the end of twenty eleven. LI Fire counter Terrorism
• 43:12
  Speaker 9: drills down at Swanbourne. I was taught surveillance and counter
• 43:15
  Speaker 9: surveillance by women, very very good at what they do.
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: I ran. I was an instructor on the first integrated
• 43:21
  Speaker 9: SAS selection course where we had females come through. So
• 43:25
  Speaker 9: to take an a lecture from Richard Miles, I mean,
• 43:28
  Speaker 9: it's below the belt, really what he's saying. And that's
• 43:31
  Speaker 9: what I say seven seven years ago. I mean, you
• 43:35
  Speaker 9: bought you, but you said it. I did say it,
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: and I'm not going to disown who I was seven
• 43:41
  Speaker 9: years ago. Again personal experience. When I think about some
• 43:45
  Speaker 9: of the things I had to do in a close
• 43:47
  Speaker 9: combat unit up at Bindoon not far from here. Live
• 43:50
  Speaker 9: fire drills where you practice a man down very anaerobically,
• 43:55
  Speaker 9: very aerobically intensive. You need fine motor skills you're firing
• 43:58
  Speaker 9: live rounds. I remember picking up an eighty five kilo
• 44:01
  Speaker 9: mate with my pack and webbing and my leg's buckling.
• 44:03
  Speaker 9: Now I did that in training, but I work with
• 44:05
  Speaker 9: men who did that under fire in combat for a
• 44:08
  Speaker 9: fallen mate. So I'm not going to resile from what
• 44:12
  Speaker 9: I've said in the past. You want honesty and you
• 44:14
  Speaker 9: want integrity from politicians.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: I said what I said. But the thing that Ustralian.
• 44:18
  Speaker 9: People need to know that under a Dutton led coalition government,
• 44:21
  Speaker 9: we will have a policy that is open to all
• 44:24
  Speaker 9: Australians for combat roles. Nothing is changing. This is Richard
• 44:27
  Speaker 9: Miles playing politics with the ADF, playing politics with women
• 44:31
  Speaker 9: in the ADF and using them as political props, and
• 44:33
  Speaker 9: it's shameful.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Now, there are two things I really love about this
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: justin One is that this is a bloke speaking from experience.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: It's fine for Richard Miles and these others behind desk
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: to call it out.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: He's had his life.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: On the line in the trenches in the battlefields of
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Afghanistan a number of times, so he knows what he's
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: talking about.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: But secondly, on the political.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Debate, he says, no, I'm not to repudiate what I
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: said back then.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: That's what I said. I'm not going to pretend I
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: was wrong then.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: But I'm sticking by the coalition policy now, which is
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: to allow women to get into.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Any role they qualify for.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: But don't ask me to pretend and sort of repudiate
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: what I said in the past.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: And I just found that refreshingly honest to say.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: It's a really good answer, and I think it's probably
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: because mister Hasey has fought harder things and a few
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: questions from journalists from people like he's tough to He's
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: come up against a lot harder and I kind of
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: agree with you. I think it's refreshing. I'd like to
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: hear people talk like that a little bit more where
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: this policy ends up landing. That's I don't think the
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: military has ever has come across a tougher question like
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: that in recent times what they do about it? So
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: it's you know, changing world, isn't it. But yeah, I
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: like the answer.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Incredibly Frank E. Strange, Liz, what's your take on it?
• 45:57
  Speaker 14: Can I just say I find it utterly disgusting that
• 46:01
  Speaker 14: men who have actually served are being brought to task by.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: People who would not know the first.
• 46:08
  Speaker 14: Thing to do in the heat of battle. I was
• 46:10
  Speaker 14: listening to another veteran when the Libs stood down their
• 46:13
  Speaker 14: candidate because they didn't like his comments on this particular issue.
• 46:17
  Speaker 14: Was in a seat the Libs were never going to
• 46:18
  Speaker 14: win anyway, So it's neither here nor there in the
• 46:20
  Speaker 14: big scheme of things. But vets were calling into radio
• 46:25
  Speaker 14: stations saying a woman can't pull me out of a
• 46:28
  Speaker 14: burning vehicle.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: A woman can't.
• 46:30
  Speaker 14: And then you've got someone saying I picked up an
• 46:32
  Speaker 14: eighty five kilo man. My own legs buckled. Look at
• 46:36
  Speaker 14: the size of hasty mate. If you're a man in
• 46:39
  Speaker 14: a combat zone, a woman has a very limited capacity
• 46:43
  Speaker 14: to help you out in the same way. Biological, Well,
• 46:52
  Speaker 14: that's because not our standards justin and we shouldn't speak.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Not true, that's not true.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: They're talking about No, that's not true. They're talking about
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: the essay. The essay is taking women in the in
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: the UK and they are not changing. They're not changing
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: the standings. Eventually, the selection course.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: To see the hasn't changed.
• 47:12
  Speaker 14: True since the Neapolic era. That is how bad I'm
• 47:15
  Speaker 14: talking recruit I'm.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Talking about the sas in the UK. They have not
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: changed their selection course.
• 47:21
  Speaker 14: If women will see that, only the sas who go
• 47:24
  Speaker 14: to war, the vast majority aren't sas.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: You thank you for that lesson. I understand exactly, well
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: why it's a fraud. It's a fraud issue and if
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: the van when women and that's the point.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: We all want equality of opportunity obviously, but who am
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I to say that I would be happy with the
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: woman on alongside me in combat situation.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I've never been anywhere near that. Exactly.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: This bloke Andrew Hasty, He's done it a number of
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: times and his opinion outweighs Richard Miles one thousand fold.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: I'm afraid it's a valid opinion. I'm not knowing that.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Good on you justin, thanks so much for joining us
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: sance again, Lizliz will be back at ten o'clock with
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: the late debate.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: I got to get out of here. You're going to
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: have a commercial break for a change after this, and
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: then you'll have Peter Credlin with Credlin from this very desk.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I'll see you next week. Don't forget five o'clock tomorrow.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: That sunset tribute on Anzac Eve.