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Credlin | 25 February · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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  Speaker 2: tonight on Kredlin. Almost two weeks of silence, Tony Birk's mate,
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  Speaker 2: doctor Jamal Riffi confirms what we've known that he's working
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  Speaker 2: to repatriate the isis women and children. He's broken his
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  Speaker 2: silence and his comments given his proximity to the Home
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  Speaker 2: Affairs Minister, are outstanding astounding. A new Sky News poll's
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  Speaker 2: poll shows at Ankles Taylor has stemmed some of the
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  Speaker 2: vote lead to one Nation for their latest numbers show
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  Speaker 2: the party cementing in their block of votes. Our elections
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  Speaker 2: expert Tom Connell joins me in a moment with his analysis.
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  Speaker 2: I'll speak to a woman at the center of another
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  Speaker 2: David and Goliath battle over women's rights, this one in
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  Speaker 2: the Federal Court as she represents a small lesbian group
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  Speaker 2: that's fighting Australian Human Rights Commission to protect female only
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  Speaker 2: bass and that epic state of a union addressed this
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  Speaker 2: afternoon from Donald Trump, a record breaking nearly two hour
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  Speaker 2: long speech full of chairs and jeers as he poked
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  Speaker 2: the Democrats in the room ahead of the all important
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  Speaker 2: mid terms later this year.
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  Speaker 3: That is why I'm also asking you to end deadly
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  Speaker 3: sanctuary cities that protect the criminals and enact serious penalties
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  Speaker 3: for public officials that you should be ashamed of yourself.
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  Speaker 4: It was vintage Trump.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to that at a moment with James Morrow
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  Speaker 2: coming up.
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  Speaker 4: The first.
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  Speaker 2: The all we learn of the so called isis Bride's saga,
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  Speaker 2: the weirder it gets. At last year's election, doctor Jamal
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  Speaker 2: Riffi founded the group Friends of Tony Burke to campaign
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  Speaker 2: for Labours Tony Burke because he tried to hold his
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  Speaker 2: seat against a Muslim candidate. Now Riffi, who's also a Muslim,
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  Speaker 2: and Burke are obviously pretty close. There you go to
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  Speaker 2: mates dancing the night away. Well, for some time now, Riffi,
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  Speaker 2: a Western City GP, has been in Syria trying to
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  Speaker 2: facilitate the return of eleven female Islamic state accomplices and
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  Speaker 2: their twenty three children. Plus we now learn of another
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  Speaker 2: Australian previously thought to have been killed, but now apparently
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  Speaker 2: in an Iraqi jail. And yet, despite the well established
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  Speaker 2: links between Riffi and Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke, Burke
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  Speaker 2: wants you to think that he's had no involvement in
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  Speaker 2: any of this, that he doesn't even know where RIFFI is,
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  Speaker 2: he hasn't talked to him for ages he sees and
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  Speaker 2: you're supposed to believe then, that this good friend of Burke,
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  Speaker 2: without any authorization from the government, without any prior knowledge
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  Speaker 2: of the Prime Minister or Burke or their officers, has
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  Speaker 2: gone into a war zone armed with thirty four Australian
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  Speaker 2: passports from a government that insists there's been no special
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  Speaker 2: measures to assist these accessories to terrorism. Now, there's no
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  Speaker 2: way outside the normal rules that this could have happened
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  Speaker 2: without some special intervention by the government.
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  Speaker 4: Let's be clear.
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  Speaker 2: In order to obtain a renewer passport, applicants have to
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  Speaker 2: appear in person. If they're overseas, they have to come
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  Speaker 2: to an Australian embassy or consulate. Now, obviously these women
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  Speaker 2: have been in Assyrian detention camp and so would not
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  Speaker 2: have been able to appear in person, meaning that special
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  Speaker 2: measures must have been put in place to get them
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  Speaker 2: these passports. And picking up someone else's passport on their behalf, well,
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  Speaker 2: that requires a whole lot of rigmarole, let alone, collecting
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  Speaker 2: thirty four of them, So don't tell me the officials
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  Speaker 2: would have casually handed over thirty four passports to doctor
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  Speaker 2: Riffy so we could deliver them into a war zone
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  Speaker 2: unless he had authorization from someone very senior in government. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing, as we're told by Albanesian Burke, is
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  Speaker 2: utterly implausible. Both the Prime Minister and Burke insist they
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  Speaker 2: are not repatriating this women, unless, of course, with the
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  Speaker 2: approval and the knowledge of the government, presumably the Home
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  Speaker 2: Affairs Minister himself. Doctor Riffey is on a semi official
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  Speaker 2: mission to do privately what the government wants done. But
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  Speaker 2: does it want to wait up to now we.
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  Speaker 4: Know, don't we?
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  Speaker 2: Then Riffey had a secret meeting with Burke last year
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  Speaker 2: about the return of another group of these Isis women,
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  Speaker 2: and that during this meeting Burke asked government officials to
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  Speaker 2: leave the room so that he could speak in private.
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  Speaker 4: So Burke has formed he was also.
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  Speaker 2: Filmed out at Sydney Airport personally welcoming a planeload of Gazans.
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  Speaker 2: Now this is highly irregular for any immigration minister, but
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  Speaker 2: perhaps not for someone with a twenty five percent Muslim
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  Speaker 2: vote in their seat. Next week federal Parliament returns and
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  Speaker 2: the opposition leader of the Opposition has a new leader.
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  Speaker 4: It also has a.
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  Speaker 2: Whole lot more muscle on the front bench as a
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  Speaker 2: result under Angus Taylor Tony Burke. Well, he has a
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  Speaker 2: lot of explaining to do and he should be put
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  Speaker 2: under maximum pressure next week in the Parliament where he
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  Speaker 2: can't hide from questions as plainly he's hidden this week
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  Speaker 2: from the media. But again, here's the bigger question. In
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  Speaker 2: the wake of the Bonnai massacre, which police alleged was
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  Speaker 2: inspired by Islamic State, how can the Albedezer government be
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  Speaker 2: conspiring in any way with any person to bring Islamic
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  Speaker 2: state operatives back to Australia. And look, last week the
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  Speaker 2: legendary corruption buster Jeffrey Watson sc estimated that some fifteen
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  Speaker 2: billion dollars had been creamed off Victoria's big bill projects
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  Speaker 2: thanks to the organized crime gangs and the biking influence
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  Speaker 2: inside Australia's worst and most militant union, the CFMEU.
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  Speaker 5: Somebody had stomped on it earlier, the problem would have
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  Speaker 5: been fixed earlier. Now who had that responsibility? Bearing in
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  Speaker 5: mind these were government projects, Bearing in mind these were
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  Speaker 5: take taxpayers dollars being spent. I've took the view I'll
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  Speaker 5: maintain correctly. So there was a governmental responsibility.
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  Speaker 2: Well today we learn just the CFMU that's adding massively
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  Speaker 2: to the cost of building infrastructure in Victoria. The other
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  Speaker 2: main union in the construction industry, the AWU, has just
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  Speaker 2: managed to extract extraordinary pay hikes for its members working
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  Speaker 2: on one of the government's.
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  Speaker 4: Big build projects.
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  Speaker 2: Now these are the very projects that are already costing
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  Speaker 2: taxpayers at least fifteen billion dollars more than they should
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  Speaker 2: thanks to the CFMU.
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  Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong here.
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  Speaker 2: I don't begrudge anyone who works hard at pay rise.
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  Speaker 2: How could I I come from a family where my
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  Speaker 2: dad did manual work his whole life. But really, three
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  Speaker 2: hundred and sixty thousand dollars a year add in a
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  Speaker 2: bit of overtime for construction workers on a tunnel in Melbourne,
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  Speaker 2: now that's nearly four times average weekly earnings, and standard
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  Speaker 2: conditions include twenty six rostered days off a year and
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  Speaker 2: the side shoved down if the temperature hits thirty five
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  Speaker 2: degrees Honest, So is it anyone that Victoria's taxes are
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  Speaker 2: the highest in the country and that business is fleeing
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  Speaker 2: the state when we have a government that's completely incapable
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  Speaker 2: of delivering major projects on time and on budget, in
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  Speaker 2: part because it's in thrall to the unions, including Australia's
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  Speaker 2: most corrupt one.
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  Speaker 4: Bring on the election.
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  Speaker 2: That is what most Victorians are pleading at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's get the headlines now. Scute is politting
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  Speaker 2: a reporter, ribon spargo.
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  Speaker 6: Stubborn inflation is derailing hopes of interest rate relief as
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  Speaker 6: the Treasurer faces increasing pressure to reign in government spending.
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  Speaker 6: Inflation has remained flat at three point eight percent.
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  Speaker 7: Still higher than we'd like, and these are the sorts
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  Speaker 7: of numbers that we were anticipating.
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  Speaker 6: The largest inflation contributor was housing, including rental costs up
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  Speaker 6: six point eight percent. A bomb threat against the Prime
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  Speaker 6: Minister is being linked to a Chinese dance troupe Anthony
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  Speaker 6: Alberezi was forced to evacuate the lodge on Tuesday evening.
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  Speaker 6: Shen Yun performers were told to cancel their upcoming Australian
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  Speaker 6: shows or risk explosives being detonated at the PM's residence.
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  Speaker 6: The music group is banned in China, the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 6: has been heckled while addressing The Herald Sun's Future Victorious summit.
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  Speaker 6: Shouting broke out shortly after the Prime Minister took the
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  Speaker 6: stage small businesses. At least two people were escorted from
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  Speaker 6: the venue. One of them was holding a sign that
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  Speaker 6: read no new coal or gas.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to bring in my paddle in
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  Speaker 2: a moment. But Donald Trump the State of the Union today,
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  Speaker 2: it was epic. As I said, he's a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of how it all played out.
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  Speaker 8: The President had said his State of the Union address
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  Speaker 8: here at the US Capitol Building was going to be long,
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  Speaker 8: and he wasn't wrong. At just under two hours, it
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  Speaker 8: was the longest State of the Union speech on record.
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  Speaker 8: It started with a rousing reception. Democrat Al Green held
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  Speaker 8: a sign referencing a social media post President Trump's account
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  Speaker 8: shared about Barack Obama. The congressman was removed for the
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  Speaker 8: second time in two years after interrupting last year's speech.
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  Speaker 8: The President's approval ratings have been slipping, but Donald Trump
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  Speaker 8: focused on what he saw as his administration's achievements.
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  Speaker 9: And our enemies are scared, our military and police are stacked,
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  Speaker 9: and America is respected again, perhaps like never before.
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  Speaker 10: Touting the economy.
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  Speaker 9: A short time ago, we were a dead country. Now
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  Speaker 9: we are the hardest country anywhere in the world, the hardest.
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  Speaker 8: Delivering that even as it consistently ranks as the number
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  Speaker 8: one issue concerning Americans in a midterm You he made
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  Speaker 8: this about a political battle between Republicans and demo.
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  Speaker 9: If you agree with this statement, then stand up and
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  Speaker 9: show your support. The first duty of the American government
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  Speaker 9: is to protect American citizens, not illegal areas. We should
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  Speaker 9: be ashamed of yourself not standing up. They're blocking the
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  Speaker 9: removal of these people out of our country, and you
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  Speaker 9: should be ashamed of yourself.
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  Speaker 8: So now President Trump has set out his vision for
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  Speaker 8: the rest of his second term and laid out a
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  Speaker 8: path to the midterms.
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  Speaker 2: All right, told the men how to discuss this and more.
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  Speaker 2: Our national affairs editor at the Daily Telegraph, of course,
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  Speaker 2: a bit of a US political junkie, James Morrow, and
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  Speaker 2: senior reporter Carolyn Marcus.
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  Speaker 4: James, I watched most of that speech.
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  Speaker 2: I did have my head down at my computer at
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  Speaker 2: some stages, but I tell you what, it was mercurial
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  Speaker 2: ump and had all the theater we say from the
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  Speaker 2: Democrats and the Republican presidents there. In terms of referencing
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  Speaker 2: the crowd, we don't tend to do that in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: We've done it in a few budget speeches in recent years.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, you had some absolute war heroes in
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  Speaker 2: that crowd, and some lovely stories were told. The Olympians
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  Speaker 2: were there, of course. What were your key takeaways?
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  Speaker 11: Well, I mean there were some amazing stories that were
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  Speaker 11: told there, including war veterans. There was a war veteran
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  Speaker 11: it was one hundred years old who had a metal
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  Speaker 11: draped around his neck by Milania Trump who had shot
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  Speaker 11: down four Soviet jets in the Korean War in a
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  Speaker 11: previously never talked about, never disclosed mission. A real hero.
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  Speaker 11: But politically, this speech was a real masterstroke I think
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  Speaker 11: by Trump because it was very strategic and the Democrats
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  Speaker 11: made a huge mistake. They took the bait and as
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  Speaker 11: a result from the clips he played in many more
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  Speaker 11: Americans look at this and they say, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 11: no no. It is the American government's job to protect
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  Speaker 11: us and we don't have to have for illegal aliens.
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  Speaker 11: That's what normal people think. Going into the midterms, all
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  Speaker 11: of those images of Democrats carrying on and behaving like this.
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  Speaker 11: They took the bait, they didn't offer the president the
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  Speaker 11: respect of the office, and they wound up sitting through
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  Speaker 11: bits that were moving, that were gracious, that were really
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  Speaker 11: important in terms of policy, distinctions that should be black
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  Speaker 11: and white, and they acted like fools. And this, I
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  Speaker 11: think is really where the midterm election begins.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was ready to announce that. Susi Walla's chiefistas
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  Speaker 2: says they're going to really put the president front and
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  Speaker 2: center for the midterms race, and he holds the fortunes
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  Speaker 2: in their hand. This is their thinking. Certainly, Is that
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  Speaker 2: what you expect will happen?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I think so, because if they just make it
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  Speaker 11: a generic Republican race, then what will happen in the
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  Speaker 11: midterms is what normally happens in the midterms, which is
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  Speaker 11: that the incumbent party winds up going backwards of the polls.
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  Speaker 11: The Publicans can't afford to do that. It has to
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  Speaker 11: be a referendum on Trump his personality, and he needs
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  Speaker 11: to be out there, getting out the vote and getting
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  Speaker 11: out the base. That is the way that they hold
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  Speaker 11: on to their slim majority, perhaps even advance it.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Let's go to the Isis women. We don't call
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  Speaker 2: them brides on this program. They no innocence over there
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  Speaker 2: in Syria. We now know, after all the speculation and
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  Speaker 2: the misphone calls and the denials, that doctor Jamal Riffi
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  Speaker 2: is in fact in Syria, and he's got in his
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  Speaker 2: hand thirty four passports for these women and their children.
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  Speaker 2: He has now spoken and these are his words about
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  Speaker 2: this repatriation effort.
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  Speaker 12: What is your response to the opposition's criticism and the
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  Speaker 12: broader Australian view it seems of this group, we're.
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  Speaker 13: Not here to help anyone who is sympathizer of Isis.
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  Speaker 13: From my dealing with Zoo's women, I can find that
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  Speaker 13: there are gadding mothers, and I believe that as their
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  Speaker 13: love Australia, and I believe they stay in the camp
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  Speaker 13: made them realize the beauty of our country.
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  Speaker 2: Don't buy it, Caroline, I'm saying this out front here now.
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  Speaker 2: I don't buy it. I set through too many security briefings.
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  Speaker 2: I saw too many pictures of kids holding up severed
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  Speaker 2: heads and all the other horrors from that time, stuff
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  Speaker 2: I have seen that will never ever leave me.
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  Speaker 4: I don't buy it.
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  Speaker 2: Frankly, they can rot in hell, I'm tougher than the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister on this one, but are you one over?
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  Speaker 14: Certainly not.
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  Speaker 15: I don't buy it for a second either, Peter, and
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  Speaker 15: I don't think that makes us especially cynical. We've just
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  Speaker 15: seen the worst terror attack on our soil in which
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  Speaker 15: fifteen people Jewish people mainly were slaughtered at a Hunnaker event,
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  Speaker 15: and the motivation was allegedly isis the same ideology that
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  Speaker 15: these people willingly left their own country for to go
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  Speaker 15: and support husbands in fighting for it, for an Islamic
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  Speaker 15: caliphate in the Middle East, and to kill infidels. Anyone
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  Speaker 15: who's seen those pictures that you mention of children holding
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  Speaker 15: up severed heads, Australian children and other children at these
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  Speaker 15: camps in Syria attacking news crews with stones, which we've
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  Speaker 15: shown on Sky News in recent days, and saying that
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  Speaker 15: they wanted to slaughter them, won't for a second think
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  Speaker 15: that these children possibly have escaped radicalization. It is highly
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  Speaker 15: unlikely that they will come back in and be normal
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  Speaker 15: children again. And I don't believe children should be punished
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  Speaker 15: for the sins of their fathers or their mothers in
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  Speaker 15: this case, but sadly we cannot guarantee the safety of
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  Speaker 15: Australians back home, and frankly, I don't care if these
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  Speaker 15: people end up stateless. They forfeitted the right to be
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  Speaker 15: Australian when they left here to go and fight for
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  Speaker 15: a terrorist group.
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  Speaker 2: I think, James, this is the view of a lot
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  Speaker 2: of Australians. I think it's the overwhelming majority of Australians.
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  Speaker 2: There is concern about what's likely to be a lifetime
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  Speaker 2: own welfare, education costs, and the Victorian Premier and others
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  Speaker 2: have already said we can't see them fitting into normal schools,
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  Speaker 2: so they'll have specialized education offered to them. But New
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  Speaker 2: South Wales Premier has been pushed on the very real
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  Speaker 2: issue of housing for these people and concerns that they
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  Speaker 2: will get ahead of others in the queue.
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  Speaker 4: He spoke to this have a listen.
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  Speaker 16: I have made inquiries about previous cohorts that have come
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  Speaker 16: through and generally generally that stayed with family and friends
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  Speaker 16: relatives upon their return to Australia. I can guarantee that, yeah,
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  Speaker 16: if anyone were to pursue that whilst they we're here,
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  Speaker 16: they have to go through the process that anyone else
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  Speaker 16: had to go through.
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  Speaker 11: Do you buy this, James, No, no, sorry, Peter, I
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  Speaker 11: don't buy this because you know, first of all, I
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  Speaker 11: mean the whole question of family and friends, Which family,
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  Speaker 11: which which financial support may they have had from other
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  Speaker 11: people who may have shared their ideology when they went
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  Speaker 11: over there are these would be the same sort of
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  Speaker 11: people that they'd be coming back to stay with. I
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  Speaker 11: don't buy it that Chris Mins would say no, no,
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  Speaker 11: out of the back of the queue. We've got a
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  Speaker 11: ten year wait for public housing and you're just going
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  Speaker 11: to have to wait. And I don't know, couch surf
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  Speaker 11: asleep on your car, that's simply not going to happen.
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  Speaker 11: And we know that's not going to happen. And I
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  Speaker 11: think Chris Mins, who is normally a sensible kind of fellow,
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  Speaker 11: he feels very, very caught in the middle of this
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  Speaker 11: here because he knows where the people of New South
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  Speaker 11: Wales stand on and it's very close to where you
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  Speaker 11: and Caro sit on this, not where Tony Burke sits.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's also alive to the fact that it's
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  Speaker 2: burning him politically. He is obviously the premier of the
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  Speaker 2: state with a terror attack, because he was the one
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  Speaker 2: on Monday who made it clear that he's been in
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  Speaker 2: discussions or certainly that the state government and the federal
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  Speaker 2: government have been in discussions for months, so directly contradicting
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  Speaker 2: this line for the Prime Minister in Tony Burke Caro
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  Speaker 2: sort of related to all of this. You've got an
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  Speaker 2: update for us on this Islamic school teacher who lost
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  Speaker 2: his job over an assault at an anti Israel protest
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  Speaker 2: in Bondai.
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  Speaker 4: He was in the court today.
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  Speaker 15: What can you tell us, Well, I can tell you
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  Speaker 15: he wants to teach again and he may get another chance, Peter,
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  Speaker 15: that's the troubling part. So he had his teacher's accreditation
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  Speaker 15: suspended after this assault, which is seeing on screen now
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  Speaker 15: at a demonstration on Bondi Beach in September. You can
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  Speaker 15: see him on the footage punching this guy repeatedly in
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  Speaker 15: the head. He was a Jewish man, the victim who
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  Speaker 15: is still fearful that he might meet more violence after
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  Speaker 15: this attack. In court today though, you said, Muhammad Brothikue
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  Speaker 15: escaped conviction, and he argued that at the time of
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  Speaker 15: the assault had been a feeling anxious and stressed because
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  Speaker 15: his brother was on a flow tiller heading towards Gaza.
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  Speaker 15: His lawyer said he had a family member who was
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  Speaker 15: on this voyage and that was causing a considerable amount
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  Speaker 15: of stress for himself. That his employer, presumably the school
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  Speaker 15: and yet to get this reference, also submitted a character
• 20:24
  Speaker 15: reference on his behalf, and the magistrate accepted he was
• 20:27
  Speaker 15: of good character, so he gave him a twelve month
• 20:31
  Speaker 15: conditional release order.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: No conviction recorded outside court.
• 20:35
  Speaker 15: Mister Raffique refused to issue a public apology for his victim. Apparently,
• 20:40
  Speaker 15: he said to the court he was sorry for what
• 20:42
  Speaker 15: he'd done. This really think you're in a position to
• 20:47
  Speaker 15: be teaching and mentoring students again. Would you like to
• 20:52
  Speaker 15: say anything to the victim?
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: He said, you're sorry for what he did. Would you
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: like to say that to victim? Are you upset that
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: this is court? You're not herele to work?
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Welliver, there is clearly a chatty bloke. Let's go to
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: inflation today, James. No change to headlines still too high
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: three point eight the ban obviously if the RBA they
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: like to see is two to three three point eight
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: today obviously is way above that. But the core metric
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: that they really will assess that has risen. This is
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the underlying numbers. They're three point four percent core inflations.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I think that those sorts of numbers are likely to
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: trouble the RBA, meaning we have more rate hikes coming,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: haven't we.
• 21:43
  Speaker 11: Well, yeah, we do. We don't have any indication that
• 21:46
  Speaker 11: they are at all serious about doing anything to do
• 21:49
  Speaker 11: anything about the problem which we have right now, which
• 21:51
  Speaker 11: is that we have no productivity in this economy, and
• 21:54
  Speaker 11: we have a government that keeps spending our money, churning
• 21:57
  Speaker 11: it back to us so that we can keep spending it,
• 21:59
  Speaker 11: presumably to keep it looking like the economy is rolling
• 22:02
  Speaker 11: and then driving inflation. And the indicator, Peter of how
• 22:05
  Speaker 11: unserious they are is that Chim Chalmers. He put out
• 22:08
  Speaker 11: a tweety put out of Steve and he said, and
• 22:11
  Speaker 11: we're really serious about the cost of living and that's
• 22:13
  Speaker 11: why we're going to be announcing more handouts to help
• 22:15
  Speaker 11: people with the cost of living. And it's like, no,
• 22:18
  Speaker 11: you've got this completely backwards. Stop the spending, let us
• 22:22
  Speaker 11: keep the money and then the economy will start to settle.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the handouts were the problem with inflation to start
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: off with last year. I'll leave it there, thank you both.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I was quick there wasn't very quick. We're gonna love
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: a new sting to kick off this section. Joining me
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: now Tom Connell, our chief election analyst. They made a
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: pretty picture there for you, Tom. Leading into this chat
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: we're going to have every fortnight about the Sky News
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Pulse poll. It's landed, we've got the data and what
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: we can say already it's slight. It's not overstated, but
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: a slight uptick for the Coalition ever since they dumped
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Susan Lee and brought in Angus Taylor.
• 23:12
  Speaker 17: It is slight, Peter, but I remember this just happened,
• 23:15
  Speaker 17: so it's not like things are all that settled when
• 23:16
  Speaker 17: voters are being asked about this. Let's have a look,
• 23:18
  Speaker 17: first of all, the primary vote, and we're looking at
• 23:20
  Speaker 17: the change here compared to our last pole when, as
• 23:23
  Speaker 17: you say, Susan Lee was leader. So the primary vote
• 23:26
  Speaker 17: coming in Labor is actually slightly down as well, so
• 23:29
  Speaker 17: down from thirty to twenty nine. But the big movement,
• 23:31
  Speaker 17: as you mentioned, one nation loses four percent and the
• 23:34
  Speaker 17: Coalition basically picks up almost all of that to go
• 23:36
  Speaker 17: from nineteen to twenty two.
• 23:38
  Speaker 10: So you know, it's sobering.
• 23:39
  Speaker 17: They're still behind the Coalition one nation, but there is
• 23:42
  Speaker 17: some movement where there's better signs as well, is digging
• 23:46
  Speaker 17: a little bit deeper.
• 23:47
  Speaker 10: So Susan Lee.
• 23:48
  Speaker 17: The final poll with her our Sky News Polse poll,
• 23:51
  Speaker 17: the final one with Susan Lee's net satisfaction showed just
• 23:54
  Speaker 17: how dire things had become, as you can see here,
• 23:58
  Speaker 17: total number of people saying she was doing a SATIS
• 24:00
  Speaker 17: factory job twenty two percent, but sixty two dissatisfied, so
• 24:03
  Speaker 17: net minus forty.
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: That is depth. I haven't seen any leader plumb in
• 24:08
  Speaker 10: Australian politics.
• 24:09
  Speaker 17: Angus Taylor his first pole along those same metrics a
• 24:13
  Speaker 17: lot more positive, So many more people think he's doing
• 24:16
  Speaker 17: a better job thirty three percent. But crucially, and this
• 24:20
  Speaker 17: is only early on so you'd expect this, not as
• 24:21
  Speaker 17: many people think he's doing a bad job thirty eight percent,
• 24:24
  Speaker 17: So the net satisfaction is minus five. Much better and
• 24:28
  Speaker 17: this is the crucial number. Twenty nine percent don't know
• 24:30
  Speaker 17: that's fair enough. They've just seen him. Where they go
• 24:33
  Speaker 17: will be crucial to his fortunes. Preferred Prime minister as well. Again,
• 24:36
  Speaker 17: he's closed the gap significantly here on Anthony Albanezi. So
• 24:39
  Speaker 17: the gap under Susan Lee between the two was twenty.
• 24:43
  Speaker 10: Two percentage points.
• 24:44
  Speaker 17: Now you can see, Look, it's still a pretty healthy
• 24:46
  Speaker 17: lead for Anthony Albanezi. But it's forty five to thirty four,
• 24:49
  Speaker 17: so eleven, so he's harved that gap as well.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just go back to the poll where you had
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: his net positives. Well it was a minor net minor actually,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: but you know what I mean. He had a twenty
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: nine percent of the population saying.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: That they don't know him.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: He is a high ish positive number.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: I think that was a thirty eight there.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: That tells you that, you know, for thirty three were satisfied. Sorry,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: the thirty eight were dissatisfied. That dissatisfied is low because
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: they really haven't had a good look at him, right.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: That could well change. Let's hope it goes more over
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: into the satisfied column, but the twenty nine percent don't know.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: That's what I would really like if I was sitting
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: in his office, I'd like the fact that you've got
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: twenty nine percent of the population out there that have
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: an open mind as to your boss.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: Right, So it's your.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Job now to color in the lines they've got around him,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: to move him into that satisfied column. And that's the
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: trouble for the prime minister. He has been around long
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: enough as Opposition leader and obviously as Prime Minister for
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: people to have a good look at him, and for
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: many people they'll have.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: Formed a view that will be hard to shift.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Taylor, on the other of the other hand, has got
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: basically an open paddock to kick in and this will
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: be his opportunity, particularly as they lead into the budget cycle,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: and given his background in business, given his background in
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: the Parliament, this should be an area where he is
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: on strong ground.
• 26:21
  Speaker 17: And Anthony Abertezi he was minus eighteen on a net
• 26:25
  Speaker 17: before this poll. He's now minus fourteen. So that's the
• 26:28
  Speaker 17: opportunity for the coalition. They're not going up against a
• 26:30
  Speaker 17: popular person. On the flip side, Anthony Ebernes has managed
• 26:33
  Speaker 17: to win enough votes, especially two party preferred, whilst being unpopular.
• 26:38
  Speaker 17: But yeah, so that's twenty nine percent, that's the opportunities,
• 26:40
  Speaker 17: you say, But yeah, minus five he's actually theoretically.
• 26:44
  Speaker 10: Much more popular than the Prime minister.
• 26:45
  Speaker 17: All beat As you say, Peter, that's what's going to
• 26:48
  Speaker 17: tip things one way or another. What the twenty nine
• 26:50
  Speaker 17: percent decide over the next few weeks months maybe.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Is and he is pushing hard on immigration. I think
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: he's got the opportunit unity presented by the government and
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: the appearances of double games on the return of these
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: isis women and the involvement or otherwise of the government.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: So that plays into where the coalition's losing votes to
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: One Nation One Nation though, Tom, you know they have
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: not flamed out. They are still strong. They're still ahead
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: of the Coalition by two points on Primary twenty four.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Is a strong result for a minor party that really
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: hasn't entered the frame in terms of government advertising. It
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: doesn't have the megaphone that the opposition all the Prime
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Minister has. So give me your analysis on One Nation's numbers.
• 27:38
  Speaker 10: Well, interesting to see where their votes coming from.
• 27:40
  Speaker 17: What we've compared here is the twenty twenty five election.
• 27:44
  Speaker 17: So people have voted at the twenty twenty five election,
• 27:46
  Speaker 17: which of them have gone to One Nation? Now this
• 27:49
  Speaker 17: was before Angus Taylor. Fifteen percent from Labor. That might
• 27:52
  Speaker 17: be high than some people think. So fifteen percent of
• 27:54
  Speaker 17: people who voted labor last election are now saying they'll
• 27:57
  Speaker 17: vote One Nation. Look at that figure though, thirty eight
• 27:59
  Speaker 17: percent Coalition, eleven percent Greens. So who knew there was
• 28:02
  Speaker 17: a venn diagram, but there is between Greens and one nation,
• 28:05
  Speaker 17: and a pretty high number from independence another. So clearly
• 28:08
  Speaker 17: soaking up vote there, which is we don't like the
• 28:11
  Speaker 17: major parties. Where has that gone since? Angus Taylor will
• 28:14
  Speaker 17: bring you an update of that now. So that labor
• 28:16
  Speaker 17: figure has actually dropped for one nation, interestingly enough, but
• 28:19
  Speaker 17: the biggest drop is coalition. They go from thirty eight
• 28:23
  Speaker 17: to twenty nine. Now that's still way too high to
• 28:25
  Speaker 17: be viable. You can't lose thirty percent if you vote
• 28:27
  Speaker 17: to one nation, but that's big progress. Very early on
• 28:30
  Speaker 17: in terms of the ceiling of one nation, well, this
• 28:33
  Speaker 17: was fascinating. We asked a question saying, would you ever
• 28:36
  Speaker 17: consider voting one nation? Now, clearly this is going to
• 28:38
  Speaker 17: always be a higher figure than actual number. All the
• 28:42
  Speaker 17: same forty eight percent, nearly half the nation saying they
• 28:44
  Speaker 17: could vote one nation one day. I mean we would
• 28:47
  Speaker 17: not have been saying that six to twelve months ago.
• 28:49
  Speaker 17: That's where it is as to why this is interesting
• 28:51
  Speaker 17: as well. So there's a ceiling for one nation theoretically
• 28:54
  Speaker 17: of forty eight percent, but also the main reason why
• 28:58
  Speaker 17: so far at least people not happy, No confidence in
• 29:01
  Speaker 17: other parties. So if you're one nation, that's not the
• 29:05
  Speaker 17: main reason you want people voting your way necessarily, that
• 29:08
  Speaker 17: might be why they go to you, and then they
• 29:10
  Speaker 17: can win them over permanently.
• 29:11
  Speaker 10: But I thought that was interesting.
• 29:12
  Speaker 17: Forty two percent, thirty three percent they're won over by policies,
• 29:15
  Speaker 17: twenty one percent the leadership of Pollen Hanson, and four
• 29:17
  Speaker 17: percent the addition of Barnaby Joyce. So he hasn't been
• 29:19
  Speaker 17: a game changer, but that doesn't necessarily hurt him. He's
• 29:22
  Speaker 17: trying to win a new South Wales Senate spot and
• 29:24
  Speaker 17: I don't think he'll have much trouble doing that.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: No.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: I think that's exactly right on the Barnaby Joyce point.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: But the top industry is where there is opportunity for
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: the coalition if they start to clawback people thinking that
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: they have got some answers that the government too labor
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: could claw back, but I think that's unlikely. Thank you, Tom,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: that's great. We'll see you in a fortnight's time. Right
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: quick break after the break, there's another big landmark case
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: on Sex versus Jenner in the federal court. It's a
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: small lesbian organization that's taking on the mighty taxpayer funded
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Human Rights Commission to protect spaces for women only. I'll
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: speak to someone involved in just.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: A moment.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Welcome back with the PMS, calling on his team to
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: look for savings ahead of the May badget. But I'll
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: show you some footage. They don't even know what savings are.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Let's go now, though, to the David and Goliath battle,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: or Divena or Goliath battle. I think it should be
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: in the federal court as a lesbian group is challenging
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: a decision by the Human Rights Commission after the Commission
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: declined the group's request for an exemption under the Sex
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Discrimination Act to be able to hold lesbian events for
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: those born female only now. The exemption was sought by
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: the Lesbian Action Group in light of more and more
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: cases of trans women so biological men seeking to access
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: public spaces and public events designed for women only.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: At every point, this group's asserted that it's not driven
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: by a desire to discriminate against transgender people, but rather
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: to protect what they want to be only female spaces.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Joined me out to discuss this legal action. Spokesperson for
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: the Lesbian Action Group, Nicole Mowbray and Nicole.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: Thank you for your time.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I'm following this really closely because because it really is
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: now like the Sele Grover's case, a testing of the
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: decisions that have been there in the Federal Court under
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Justice Brommage, that put together under the definition of the
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Sex Discrimination Act, sexuality based on biology and gender based
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: on identity.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Is that how you see it?
• 31:40
  Speaker 14: Yes, absolutely so. The Sex Discrimination Acts was changed in
• 31:46
  Speaker 14: twenty thirteen and they took the definition of man and
• 31:49
  Speaker 14: woman as adult human male and adult human female out,
• 31:55
  Speaker 14: So how can you protect sex based rights when you
• 32:02
  Speaker 14: don't have a definition of sex anymore? And they inserted
• 32:06
  Speaker 14: gender identity. So what we're seeing playing out legally is
• 32:11
  Speaker 14: that gender identity is preferencing sex based rights and that
• 32:18
  Speaker 14: that's the case for us. We've been forced to have
• 32:24
  Speaker 14: males who identify as lesbians in the lesbian community. There's
• 32:29
  Speaker 14: been no consultation. This is what the Australian Human Rights
• 32:33
  Speaker 14: Commission are expecting us to just, you know, accept that
• 32:38
  Speaker 14: males can be lesbians. And we say no, you know,
• 32:44
  Speaker 14: old school lesbians you are.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: We're on a unity ticket there because I mean a
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: difference with lesbians visit e. Trans women, which are biological men.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Is that lesbians the same sex attracted like same sex attracted.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: But this is a question of identity. These are biological
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: men or biological women who identify for a range of
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: reasons with another gender, but that doesn't make them the
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: other sex.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: And so how do you square that circle?
• 33:18
  Speaker 14: Well, it's very difficult. We fully support trans people having
• 33:21
  Speaker 14: their own events, and they do. There are plenty of
• 33:24
  Speaker 14: trans only events where anyone who's not trans is not
• 33:28
  Speaker 14: invited and not welcome, And we're just saying we want
• 33:32
  Speaker 14: to have the same opportunity to have lesbian only events,
• 33:36
  Speaker 14: single sex events. It doesn't mean we hate trans people.
• 33:40
  Speaker 14: It doesn't mean we want them, you know, nasty things
• 33:43
  Speaker 14: to happen to them. It just means that we're drawing
• 33:46
  Speaker 14: a boundary and we would like to have that boundary respected.
• 33:49
  Speaker 14: And you know, for trans people to live their best
• 33:52
  Speaker 14: lives just as we live our best lives, that's all
• 33:55
  Speaker 14: we want.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: And I think that's a view.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just going to say, I think that's
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: a view that we all share for trans adults, and
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I don't want to go into a toilet and find
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: a man in my toilet. A biological man, however, self
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: described in a toilet. I don't think young girls need
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: to go into a toilet and encounter a male a
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: public toilet. Now that's not to say you can't have
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: a set of toilets somewhere that anyone can go into.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: You to self describe unisex toilets, that's fine. But I
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: still want the right to my own spaces. And I
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: think this is where the madness. I mean, who would
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: have thought a lesbian group would have to be finding
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: changes to legislation done by a female prime minister labor
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: prime minister, and that you would be shouted down by
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: the left as not being progressive enough.
• 34:49
  Speaker 14: That's correct. And the horror of this, Peter, is that
• 34:53
  Speaker 14: this is the Human Rights Commission, who should have the
• 34:56
  Speaker 14: rights of lesbians, you know, as part of their man
• 35:00
  Speaker 14: they don't have our rights, then they're not protecting our rights.
• 35:04
  Speaker 14: In fact, they're actually discriminating against us. And that's the
• 35:07
  Speaker 14: horror of this. And the other horror is that it's
• 35:11
  Speaker 14: the tax payer that's ultimately paying their costs to take
• 35:15
  Speaker 14: us to call on.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just pick up that point because I think
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: it's really important. I think I've got your website details
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: there to go on the screen. But I mean, let's
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: not understate the fight you're up against here. They've got
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: all the resources of government. They're a federally funded Human
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Rights commission, they can hire themselves hot and cold running silks.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: You're a small group, a volunteer group, and you're basically
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: taking them on. Not just for the rights of your
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: lesbian group. I have to say, you're fighting for my
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: rights too, and the rights of all with the single
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: sex Spain and girls.
• 35:48
  Speaker 14: Yeah, that's right, and there should be a way that
• 35:52
  Speaker 14: sex based rights and gender rights, gender based rights can coexist.
• 35:56
  Speaker 14: It's just a matter of respecting each other's need for
• 35:59
  Speaker 14: in space, yes, and respecting each other's boundaries. That's all
• 36:03
  Speaker 14: it is. And yet we have to have this insane
• 36:06
  Speaker 14: and ridiculous trip to various courts in order to try
• 36:11
  Speaker 14: and work this anim.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: So, Nicole, I've often been stopped by labor women and
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: a couple of Greens actually, who have said to me,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: keep fighting, keep fighting for this issue. We can't do
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: it internally anymore. You know, it's breaking our hearts that
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: we've lost our rights. Given they would argue, the left
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: spin at the vanguard of this for so long. We
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: need conservative women like you speaking out. I mean, are
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: you are you fighting labor people or Greens voters or
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: other supporters on the left coming up to you and
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: telling you how important it is that you take on
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: this case.
• 36:46
  Speaker 14: Oh look, I used to be a paid up member
• 36:48
  Speaker 14: of the Greens and I know a whole cohort of
• 36:50
  Speaker 14: women who have absolutely either been kicked out of the
• 36:53
  Speaker 14: Greens or a Flynn and they're horrified. And I'm I'm
• 37:00
  Speaker 14: in that basket as well. The left of God and
• 37:04
  Speaker 14: know it's on.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: This they've gone crazy, They've jumped the shark. As we'd say, Nicole,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: keep fighting. Very welcome on this show. We're on a
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: unity ticket and they said on this issue, and my
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: audience are absolutely behind you. And I'll put those details
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: up again if anyone wants to help support this cause,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: this fight, as Nicole rightly says, for all women and
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: girls across the country or after the break, liberal luminary
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: luminaries have doubled down and caused to strength and immigration
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: standards to improve our way of life. They're calling for
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: discrimination in our immigration program.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: This is a big deal. After the break.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw that reporting The Herald's
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: on today that the cameras the CCTV near the Richmond
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: injecting room they very controversial. Hero and Ice that all
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: goes there injecting room have not been working for five years.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: That's because the gun doesn't want them to work. Let's
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: bring in my panel and those pivotal speeches. Yesterday at
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: the Aspire conference, this is the John Anderson Conference in Sydney.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: A whole of senior liberals were there for a panel
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: discussion about immigration, including Josh Friedenberg and Tony Abbott, and
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: they were demanding that our policy which has always been
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: non discriminatory, so can't discriminate where people come from, can't
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: discriminate on other things like religion. They are saying, no,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: we actually do have to discriminate. We do have to
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: put Australia's national interests first. They also warned that high
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: intake levels were straining social cohesion and housing. We know that,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: and then Peter Costello knocked it out of the park,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: linking a heavy migration to both our falling birth rate
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: and our economic pressures.
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  Speaker 4: Have a listen. I do think we have to have
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: a big.
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  Speaker 9: Program, a lot of focus on Australian bands and a
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: lot of focus on our national mess.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: That we need to move.
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  Speaker 8: To a immigration course.
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  Speaker 13: Huge does.
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  Speaker 4: Discriminate.
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  Speaker 10: It discriminates on the basis of what's.
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  Speaker 18: In the national interests, and that is the type of
• 39:21
  Speaker 18: person that we want in this country.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: It's not a right to come to this country. It's
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: a privilege to come to this country.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Right, joining me now the executive national manager at One Nation,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Lee Hanson, and senior fellow at the Menses Recent Center,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Nick Cata. Now, I am not saying that any of
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: those people on the stage say that our policy should
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: discriminate on race or religion. But what I am saying
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: is they are now rejecting, Nick, this idea that we
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: take whoever wants to apply, that we open the doors
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: in the way we have for many, many years, but
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: in fact that we do start to discriminate if you're
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: coming from countries that don't share our values. If you
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: don't share our values, then you're no longer welcome. And
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I think this is the fight that we will now
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: have on this issue between now and the next election,
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  Speaker 2: not just on how many are coming, but the standard
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: and the quality of those who come.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: That's right, Peter, and I think this is up. This
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: is Bondai has pushed this to the fore. I think
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: before Bondai the Coalition could get away comfortably just talking
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: about the numbers. You know, that was the easy bit, right.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: It's obvious we've got far too many people coming to
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: this country and that overseas migration is huge. But now
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Bondai has really focused attention on the quality of those migrants,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: how suited they are. And it's not just obviously at
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: the extreme end we have the danger of extreme Muslim terrorists,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: but it's at every level. I was talking to an
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: employment provider in Fairfield in Western Sydney last week. He
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: told me that the big problem in placing people in
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: jobs is they don't have the language. So these very
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: basic things we have to address. We just can't go
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: letting people in, whatever their language, skills, whatever their beliefs,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: whatever their ideologies, whatever their background, we need to discriminate.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: And of course one nation has forced the politicians to
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: have the conversation that you know that I know they're
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: having at the barbecue, they're having at the path they're
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: having at their workplace about the sort of Australia we're becoming.
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: Correct spot on Peter, we have been leading the way,
• 41:32
  Speaker 7: and it's great to see that other people are starting
• 41:35
  Speaker 7: to speak up and have this conversation as well. I
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: don't see it as about discriminating. I see it as
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: about ensuring that we allow those people, the right people
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: into our home. It's our home, our country is our home.
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: It's about assimilating, it's about the right skill sets, it's
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: about contributing to a prosperous country. And at the end
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: of the day, it's ensuring that we are safe and
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: the people that we are a allowing in are not extremists,
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: which exactly we're talking about from Bondai and other extremists.
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: So yes, we do need to have the difficult conversation
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: and one nation is leading the way and we will
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: continue to lead the way.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the Prime minister's thumping of the table
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: today to say he wants ministers to find billions in savings.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: This is the head of the May budget. We've had
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: obviously movements in interest rates on the back of inflation
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: because the government spends too much. He says, now they're
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: going to sort of cut their cloth accordingly. But I'll
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: tell you what, Nick, I cannot believe how ignorant the
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: finance minister Kadie Gallagher is about about savings. Have a
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: listen to this in estimates.
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: So you're saying that's net of spending decisions, you reduced
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: expendsh of one hundred and forteen billion.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: It's a gross figure.
• 42:57
  Speaker 10: That's gross, right, What is the net figure?
• 43:00
  Speaker 14: I don't have that available.
• 43:03
  Speaker 10: Is it positive or negative?
• 43:05
  Speaker 14: Well, I just don't have that figure.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: And not only Nick did they that was at a
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: poor showing there was a quantum of savings that they
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: claimed were savings, but all they were were savings out
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: of multiple areas, multiple budget lines that there were transferred
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: over here and spent. So at the end of the
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: day you pull out your pockets and you've got no
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: money in them. There's no saving at all. You just
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: put money into one pocket, transferred it to the other
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: and then spend it. It's spending.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: That's deeply troubling.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: That clip you just played of Kadie Gallagher, the Finance minister.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: When you think of the labor finance ministers of old,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: you think of Peter Walsh for example, or the great
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: finance ministers for the coalition government Nick mentioned or you
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: know these were that they knew that the finance minister's
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: job is just to say no, you can't have that space.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: He would be inundated. He or she'll be inundated with
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: please from ministers, we want to do this program or
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: that program. The Finance Minister just said no, I don't
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: think Katie Gallagher is in that league, do you.
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: Not at all?
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Let's go to childcare league because I think this is
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: a really hot button issue.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: For the campaign.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Sixty six percent of Australian so almost seventy two thirds
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: of Australian say we want choice when it comes to childcare.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: They're sick of sixteen billion dollars going out the back
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: door every single year but tied to unionize childcare only.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: They want choice for parents. But also we find at
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: the same time in this inquiry in Victoria into the
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: systemic failures of child childcare center safety, and we know
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: there's an individual charge with a one hundred and fifty
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: charges of sex crimes related to children that the profit
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: motive in a lot of these childcare centers. This is
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: the claim was put ahead of the care of the children.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: And this is where parents say we want more choice.
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: Correct and look, as a parent myself who has been
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: through this process, and had to struggle with childcare. I
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: wholeheartedly understand many parents.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: You know, great if you've.
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: Got support and family support to help with childcare, and
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: the grandparents are in a position that they are retired
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: or semi retired to do so, but not everybody has
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: that fortune.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: We are now at the position.
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: Particularly in rural and regional areas as well, where they
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: don't have access to this institutionalized childcare, and then the
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: few that are available, parents are actually now going and
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: registering for their unborn child just to get on the
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: wait list. So as soon as they're pregnant, they're going
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: in and rolling because they know at some stage they
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: are going to need that support and help. So one
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: nation absolutely supports a policy that enables the childcare support
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: to follow the child, enable greater choice for the parents,
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: and we need to explore that now with that equally
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: enabling the parents to receive those those subsidies or the
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: grandparents or other family members. It needs to be heavily
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: considered at the same time. So whilst we might consider it,
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: we have to make sure there's no loopholes, because at
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: the end of the day, it is sixteen billion dollars
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: a year in regards to childcare payments. So for example,
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: having a grandparent, this is my personal belief, but having
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: a grandparent who might live in the granny flat out
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: the back and doesn't work, who would normally look after
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: the grandchildren anyway, I personally don't believe they should get
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: taxpayer funding to therefore take on that. So we have
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: to make sure there aren't the loopholes aren't there. That
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: is a sound, structured process outside of institution, and it
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: still is safe for our children. The safeguards are there.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: I am just thrilled with finally having the debate. It's
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: been something I've been fighting for myself for many years.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: For those who watch you regularly, they will know that.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Nick Kata, Lee Hanson.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: Thank you both.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Quick break, Arthur break, Kel Richards Wednesday words, we've got
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: some good ones.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: We'll see a.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Scene welcome back, bringing in my good mate, the wonderful
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: broadcaster words with extraordinary Kel Richards, Thank you, Kel. This
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: is one we've both got a number of times from
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: our viewers, so I'm glad we're able to do it tonight.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Because Paul wants to know why do our politicians have
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: the title the.
• 47:30
  Speaker 18: Honorable Well, it's an ancient feudal title. In fact, it
• 47:35
  Speaker 18: came into English from Anglo Norman French in the year
• 47:38
  Speaker 18: thirteen eighty two, so it's not new. It originally was
• 47:42
  Speaker 18: the case that anyone who was a baronet or roughly
• 47:44
  Speaker 18: that equivalent, was entitled to be called the honorable, so
• 47:47
  Speaker 18: he could be called, you know, the honorable, the baron
• 47:50
  Speaker 18: of Battersea or whatever. I just made that one up.
• 47:54
  Speaker 18: And remember the earliest parliaments, the earliest advisory bodies for
• 47:58
  Speaker 18: kings were nobles. Consequently, the earliest parliaments, everyone was the
• 48:03
  Speaker 18: honorable because they already had that title. They were a lord,
• 48:05
  Speaker 18: they were a baron. And as those parliaments changed over time,
• 48:09
  Speaker 18: the title didn't. The name came down in the parliaments
• 48:13
  Speaker 18: even though the barons and the lords disappeared. So in effect,
• 48:16
  Speaker 18: this ancient feudal title descended from barons and lords to
• 48:21
  Speaker 18: train drivers and suburban lawyers, which is how and they're
• 48:26
  Speaker 18: not all called the honorable. Now you'll know this better
• 48:29
  Speaker 18: than me, Peter, But I think only ministers.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: There's a commentation that's right.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Should only be ministers, can only be ministers. They have
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: to be members of the Executive Council. In technical terms,
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: so that can be parliamentary secretaries, there can be an
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: assistant ministers, anyone in that broader ministry group. Shadow ministers
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: don't count. It's going to be ministers. And of course
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: that we used to have the term the right honorable.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Some people still say that, but that is wrong.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: It's gone.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: It left where we moved away from the Privy Council.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Although I think honorable still is an affectation.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: Of lord mayors.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: I think there's still lord mayors that have got the
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: right honorable title. Let's go to Fay who wants to
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: know talking through your hat?
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: What's that one mean? And where do they come from?
• 49:16
  Speaker 18: What it means is being incoherent, just talking nonsense, talking
• 49:19
  Speaker 18: stuff that doesn't make any sense at all. It's first
• 49:23
  Speaker 18: recorded in an American newspaper called The New York World
• 49:25
  Speaker 18: in the year eighteen eighty eight. And I've consulted every
• 49:28
  Speaker 18: expert I know, and none of them have the answer.
• 49:31
  Speaker 18: No one can give a definitive answers to where it
• 49:33
  Speaker 18: came from. Which as a wordy that fascinates me. I
• 49:36
  Speaker 18: think that's really interesting. I looked at all of their
• 49:39
  Speaker 18: guesses and I decided the most likely guess is the
• 49:44
  Speaker 18: lady linguist who suggested it comes from the image of
• 49:49
  Speaker 18: holding your hat over your mouth while you're talking, so
• 49:52
  Speaker 18: your voice is muffled, hence incoherent and what you're saying
• 49:56
  Speaker 18: makes no sense. Now that's the best guess they have.
• 50:00
  Speaker 18: They are the experts, but I think it's a likely guess.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, we're out of time. I had one more, but
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: I'll roll that into next week. Is a great one.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Jeff who wrote to us on behalf of his wife Maria.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Maria watched next week. We'll have yours then I'll leave
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: it there.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: Thank you. Kel all right, that's it for me. He's
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: Andrew