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Mega Edition: Ghislaine Maxwell And Deposition That Sealed Her Fate (Part 20-23) (4/26/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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In this episode, we're going to pick up where we
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left off with the Glen Maxwell deposition. McCauley, do you
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know if Jeffrey had sex with redacted Pagliuka object to
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the form and the Foundation? Maxwell? First of all, wouldn't
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have any knowledge of that. McCauley, We are going to
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take a quick break, So they take their quick little
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break and it goes from four thirty nine to four
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fifty four, and then it's right back to it with
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McCauley asking questions once again. McCauley, Miss Maxwell, we were
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talking earlier about the Journal, and I believe you said
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in two thousand and four, two thousand and five you
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are no longer working and responsible for that journal. Is
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that correct? Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell?
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What are you referring to this document right here? McCauley, Yes, Maxwell,
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I don't know who is the author of this or
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I can't tell you what is in here versus what
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would have been here when I was around. I can't
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testify to that, McCauley. Were you around in two thousand
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and four or in two thousand and five. Maxwell, I
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already testified that I was there when Jeffrey's mother passed away,
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and so you know I did visit for her passing,
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and I believe I was there for a couple of
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days in two thousand and five. McCauley, So, if an
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employee of mister Epstein in two thousand and four said
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that you were the employee's direct supervisor, would that be incorrect?
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Mister Pagliuca objection to the Form and the Foundation? Maxwell,
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what employee? What's the circumstances and what is the story?
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I don't know what you were asking me. McCauley, if
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redacted said, in two thousand and four, when he was hired,
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you were his direct supervisor. Would that be true? Maxwell? No, McCauley,
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were you in two thousand and four supervising redacted? Pagliuka
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objection to Form and the Foundation? Maxwell, I have never
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supervised redacted McCauley, did redacted take orders from you? Pagliuka
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objection to the Form and the Foundation? Maxwell, she worked
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for Epstein. McCauley, if redacted, said, you had knowledge of
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underage girls coming to Jeffrey's home for the purpose of sex.
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Would you contend that that is truthful. Pagluka objection to
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the form and the foundation of the question. Maxwell, I
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have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sorry, McCauley.
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If redacted said that you have knowledge of underage girls
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coming to Jeffries's home for the purpose of having massage
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involving sex, would you say that that statement is truthful,
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Miss Pagliuka, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell.
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I can't testify to what redacted said or didn't say. McCauley.
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I'm saying, if redacted said that you had knowledge that
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there was girls coming over to the house that were
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under age for the purpose of sex, would that statement
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be true, Mister Pagliuca. Objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell.
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I can't testify to what redacted said or didn't say,
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or what he thought. McCauley, did you have knowledge of
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underage girls coming to Jeffrey Epstein's house for the purpose
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of sex? Maxwell, No, McCauley, earlier, I believe you testified.
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Correct me if I'm wrong that the document that is
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in front of you, the thicker document, was a stolen document.
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Do you know who stole that document? Maxwell? I had
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read that redacted had stolen the document. McCauley. And where
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did you read that? Maxwell? I believe it was reported
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in the press. McCauley. Earlier we were talking about computers
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at Jeffrey Epstein's home. Did you have a computer that
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was your computer located in Jeffrey's home? Pagliuk objection to
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the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I've testified to the
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computer already, Even when I was around, there was a
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computer that people had access to. McCauley. So is redacted
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telling the truth when he says that he downloaded that
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book from your computer? Paglyyuka objection to the Form and
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the Foundation, Maxwell, I couldn't possibly tell you what redacted
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did or didn't do, or said or didn't say. McCauley,
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Was it on your computer? Maxwell? I already testified, I
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have no idea where this document came from. McCauley. Did
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you have a list of names of individuals with contact
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information for Jeffrey Epstein on your personal computer? Maxwell? Again,
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that wasn't my computer. I already said that that was
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a computer that lots of people would have. So I
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have no recollection of this document being on it. So
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I don't know where this came from. McCauley. I understand
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the computer at the house that you're referencing on a
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personal computer of yours. Did you have that document? Maxwell?
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I don't know where this document came from, so I
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can't possibly say this document was on my computer that
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I may have had access to. McCauley. On a personal
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computer of your own, did you have lists of phone
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numbers and contact information relating to Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell? Like everybody,
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I have an address book, but I can't possibly testify
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to where this thing came from. McCauley. Was it your
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address book or was it addresses that related to Jeffrey Epstein?
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Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation Maxwell, I
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don't know what you're asking me, McCauley. On your personal computer,
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the address book you are referencing, was it your address
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book with individuals you knew, or was it an address
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book for your employer, Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell, Jeffrey has his situation,
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and I have no This is Jeffrey's. It came from
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his home, so I can't testify to anything about this
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in that period of time, McCauley, So you didn't have
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on your computer a list of contact information for individuals
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that was related to Jeffrey Epstein. Maxwell, I don't recall
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exactly what I had back in two thousand and four
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and two thousand and five, so I can't say what
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I had back then that relates to his address, and
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I can't recall McCauley, So it is possible that someone
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could have downloaded from your personal computer a list of
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names and addresses that were affiliated with Jeffrey Epstein. Pagliuka
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objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell. This didn't
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come from any computer of mine, McCauley, But it's possible
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that someone could have downloaded a list of names and
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addresses affiliated with Jeffrey Epstein from your computer, mister Pagliuca,
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objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell. I already
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said I didn't have the computer there, so I don't
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know where this came from. I have no idea, McCauley.
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I'm going to read to you some testimony from redacted's deposition,
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and it's on page three seventy, and I want to
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ask you a question about it, if it's true or
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if it's false. Mister Pakliuka, I'm going to object unless
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you show the witness of the document. McCauley, I will
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pass it. We are not going to market. We will
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skip it. McCauley. Did you ever tell Redacted that he'd
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better watch out and better keep his mouth shut with
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respect to what occurred at Epstein's home? Mister Pagliuka objection
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to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, doesn't sound like
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anything I would say, McCauley. Did you ever threaten redacted
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in any way if he were to disclose information he
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learned from his employment with Jeffrey Epstein? Pagliuka objection to
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the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell. I'm happy to answer no.
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I never threatened him in any way, McCauley. Were you
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concerned that he was going to disclose that Jeffrey Epstein
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was trafficking underage girls? Pagliuka objection to the Form and
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the Foundation. Maxwell. First of all, there are so many
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things wrong with that question, but I have no knowledge
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of what you were talking about. McCauley. Have you ever
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contacted or instructed anyone to contact any witness in this
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case for the purpose of threatening them not to testify
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in this case? Pagliuka objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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I have never called anybody with any kind of reference
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to this case or anything you just mentioned. I never
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threatened anyone. McCauley. Have you ever directed anyone to call
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a witness relevant to this case and threaten them not
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to testify? Pagliuca objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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I have never done such a thing, McCauley. Did Jeffrey
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Epstein or you ever ask any female regardless of age
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to carry Jeffrey's baby for him? Pagliuka objection to the
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form and the Foundation McCauley, anything along those lines. Pagliuka
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objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, can you
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repeat the question please, McCauley, did you or Jeffrey Epstein
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ever ask any female, regardless of age to carry Jeffrey
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Epstein's baby for him? Mister Pagliuka objection to the form
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and the Foundation? Maxwell? Are you asking to this? McCauley
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just interrupt to become pregnant? Did you or Jeffrey Epstein
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ever ask any female to become pregnant and carry Jeffrey
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Epstein's baby for you or for Jeffrey. Mister Pagliuka objection
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to form. Maxwell, You need to be very specific. I
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have no idea what you're talking about. That's completely rubbish, McCauley.
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Did you or Jeffrey Epstein ask any female to become
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pregnant and carry his baby for either him or for you?
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Mister Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Go ahead, Maxwell.
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I can't testify to anything Jeffrey did or didn't do
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when I am not present, but I have never asked
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anybody to carry a baby for me, McCauley, or anything
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along those lines. Mister Pakliuka object to the form and
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the foundation. McCauley. I want to make sure we are
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talking about the same thing, not physically carry a baby,
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I mean become pregnant with a baby. Pagliuka objection to
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the form and the foundation. Mcaul I want to make
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sure that we're clear. Maxwell. I don't know what you're
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asking McCauley. That's why I want to make sure that
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we are clear. Maxwell, we are clear. I never asked
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anybody to carry a baby for me. McCauley. Do you
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know if Jeffrey ever asked anybody to carry a baby
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for him? Maxwell, I'm not going to characterize any conversation
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Jeffrey had with somebody else. McCauley, you are not aware
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of that? Is that your testimony? Maxwell, I am testifying
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I never have and I will not testify for anything
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for Jeffrey McCauley. Did you ever hear Jeffrey ask anybody
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to carry a baby for him? Maxwell, I don't recollect
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conversation about Jeffrey and babies in any form. McCauley, did
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Jeffrey ever tell you he wanted to have a baby, Maxwell,
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I don't recollect baby conversations with Jeffrey McCauley, so he
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never told you he wanted to have a baby. Maxwell,
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I don't have any recollection any baby conversation with him
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saying he wanted to have a baby. McCall, did you
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ever bring any females to the redacted house that were
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not your friend's children that were under the age of eighteen?
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Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I
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have never, ever, to my knowledge, brought anybody under the
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age of eighteen that's not a friend of my family
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or my nieces or nephews to that blank household. McCauley,
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earlier today, you testify it. I believe that with respect
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to your town home. Jeffrey paid for some of that
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and then gave you a loan. Is that correct, mister Pagliuka,
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objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell I said, actually,
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I think it was a loan. I believe it was
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a loan. McCauley, the whole thing, Maxwell, as best as
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I can recollect. McCauley, did you pay that loan back? Maxwell?
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I don't have any outstanding loans with them, McCauley, so
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you paid it back? Maxwell? I don't have any outstanding
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loans with them. McCauley. That's not an answer to my question.
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Did you pay back Jeffrey for the loans? Maxwell? I've
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paid back any loan I had with him. McCauley, you
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have or haven't? Maxwell have McCauley, were there any other
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gifts that Jeffrey gave you during that time period of say,
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nineteen ninety nine to the present, that were in excess
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of fifty thousand dollars? Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form
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and the foundation. Maxwell, what's the question again, McCauley, did
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Jeffrey give you any gifts in excess of amounts of
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fifty thousand dollars? I'm not talking about a scarf here
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or there are something insignificant from nineteen ninety nine to
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the present, Maxwell, I can't recollect any gifts. McCauley, Did
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he ever buy you a car? Maxwell? I really don't recall.
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I can't recall. It's a long time. McCauley. You can't
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recall if Jeffrey ever bought you a car? Maxwell. I
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believe he did buy me a car. I don't recall
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how much it costs. I don't recall any of the
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financial details of that. McCauley. Do you still have that car? Maxwell?
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I don't McCauley, how long ago did you get rid
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of that car? Maxwell? I don't recall all the cars.
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There was a car back, there was I don't recall.
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I'm sorry, McCauley, he supplied you with several cars. Pagliuca
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objection to the form and the mischaracterization of the testimony. Maxwell,
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I don't recall details of the cars. McCauley. Did he
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supply you with more than one car? Maxwell? Over the
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course of time, I've driven many cars McCauley that Jeffrey
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provided you. Maxwell. There were cars that could be driven,
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and I just don't recall them. McCauley, were they in
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your name? Maxwell? I don't recall, McCauley. You don't recall
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if Jeffrey Epstein ever put a car in your name. Maxwell,
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we are talking a long time ago. I don't really recall, McCauley.
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When's the last time you had a car from Jeffrey
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Epstein that you used? Maxwell? Two thousand, two thousand and one,
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two thousand and two. McCauley, do you recall what kind
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of car it was? Maxwell? I don't recall. I'm sorry, McCauley.
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Did Epstein purchase anything else for you besides the townhouse
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and cars that would be over the amount of fifty
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thousand dollars? Maxwell? I didn't say that he did. I
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set alone, McCauley, besides the loan. I'm sorry, you were right.
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Did you say you had a loan and you said
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you paid that back? Correct? Maxwell, that's my testimony. McCauley,
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anything else in excess of fifty thousand that he would
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have purchased for you? Maxwell, we are talking two thousand
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and two, two thousand and one. I don't recall any gifts, really, McCauley,
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when's the last time Jeffrey Epstein gave you a gift
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in the excess of fifty thousand dollars. Mister Pagliuca assumes
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facts not in evidence forman foundation. McCauley, you're saying you
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don't remember from two thousand and one and two thousand
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and two. I'm asking, when is the last time you
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remember Jeffrey Epstein purchasing a gift for you? Maxwell, I
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don't recall gifts in excess of fifty thousand. I barely
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recall gifts. I barely recall a lot of this. I'm sorry,
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I don't recall. McCauley. Is Jeffrey Epstein paying for your
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legal fees in this case? Maxwell? No, McCauley, is he
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paying for anything related to this case? Maxwell? No? All right,
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we're gonna wrap up there and we'll pick up where
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we left off in the next episode. All of the
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information that goes with this episode can be found in
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the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to
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the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna pick up
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where we left off with the Gallaine Maxwell deposition that
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led us to where we are today. So let's get
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right back to it, and as a refresher, cigarette McCauley
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is asking the questions, and glaiinn Maxwell is giving the responses.
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So let's get to it. McCauley, are you aware of
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any grand theft police report relating to Virginia Roberts Maxwell?
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I believe I've read a report in the press on that. McCauley,
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did you provide the press with a report on a
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grand theft by Virginia Roberts Maxwell? I don't know how
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the press got that story. McCauley, do you know if
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Virginia Roberts committed a grand theft? Maxwell? I only know
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what I read in the press. McCauley, did you ever
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state to the press that Virginia Roberts committed a grand theft? Maxwell,
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I've never had any conversation directly with the press. McCauley.
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Did any of your representatives ever inform the press that
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Virginia Roberts committed a grand theft? Pag Leuke objection to
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the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I have no way
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of knowing what my representative said to the press or didn't. McCauley,
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did they ever discuss with you the fact that they
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were going to report that Virginia Roberts participated in a
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grand theft? Maxwell, I don't know how. First of all,
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I don't know how, I know that I believe I
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read it in a press report. So McCauley, I'm going
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to mark this as composite exhibit Maxwell fourteen. Please, McCauley,
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I'm going to direct you to page GM zero zero
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one zero nine. At the top of that page, you
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were going to see an email address from Jeffrey Epstein
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on Sunday, June twelfth, twenty eleven, to redacted Maxwell. Yes, McCauley.
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The ri line says, this is the actual version they
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wanted me to send, which I changed, but this is
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back from my UK lawyers. Do you see that, Maxwell, Yes, McCauley.
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If you go down further, you're going to see halfway
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through the page, you will see your email address, the redacted,
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and you will see a statement that says thank you,
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I have it now. I'm working on the letter a little.
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I will send the final version tomorrow and whatever is
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in it will be factually accurate. Beneath that you will
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see redacted, who I believe you identified earlier as one
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of your attorneys. Maxwell, Uh huh McCauley, and you will
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see a letter starting the text of a letter. I
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want you to turn to the second page, which is
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GM zero zero one one zero. About halfway through the page,
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it says you will also presumably draw attention to the
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fact that, prior to filing or suit against mister Epstein,
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Roberts fled the US to avoid being arrested for grand theft.
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Police report available? And what grand theft were you referring
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to that Virginia Roberts committed tagluka objection to the form
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and the foundation. Maxwell, I don't know, However, I believe
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she stole money from somewhere where she worked. McCauley, how
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do you know that that was grand theft? Maxwell? I
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don't know how I know that, McCauley. So you authorized
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a statement that characterized that is grand theft without knowing
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whether it was grand theft? Maxwell? What month? What is
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the date of this, McCauley. The date of this is
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June twelfth, twenty eleven. Maxwell, So, I'm afraid such a
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long time ago. I'm not sure how I really couldn't
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testify as to how that language ended up in here. McCauley.
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Do you have the police report? It says, police report available.
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Do you have that document? Maxwell? I don't have that document, McCauley.
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Who does, Maxwell? I have no idea, McCauley. Would your
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lawyer redacted that document? Maxwell? I don't know who has
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this document. McCauley. What's your basis in that statement for
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saying that miss Roberts fled the US? Maxwell? Again, you
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are asking me for a statement that I made in
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twenty eleven, and I can't say what in twenty eleven
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exactly the basis of that statement was, McCauley, So you
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don't know whether or not that statement is true. Maxwell.
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This is in twenty eleven and it never went out,
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so I'm not exactly sure. McCauley. But you said in
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your email that you were working to make it factually accurate.
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Is that correct? Maxwell? That's what it says. McCauley. I'm
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going to mark as Maxwell fifteen a document dated February
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twenty fourth, twenty fifteen. Maxwell Exhibit fifteen email marked for identification. McCauley.
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This is an email from redacted who you've identified as
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you are redacted on February twenty fourth, twenty fifteen, to redacted,
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which I understand to be your email address and redacted.
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The subject line says VR crid rate prior case dismissed
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as prosecutor's founder, not to be credible. The message says
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Golaine some helpful leakage dot dot dot dot dot. What
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is it you were leaking to the press, mister Pagliuka objection.
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There is no foundation that she leaked anything, and you
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know that. McCauley, What was it that you were leaking
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to the press in that statement? Maxwell, again, I don't
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think that's what we're referring to. That's just referring to
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the press getting a hold of whatever story it is. McCauley,
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What was redacted leaking to the press, Mister Pagliuca objection
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to the form and the foundation. Maxwell. It doesn't say
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redacted was leaking anything. It doesn't say that, McCauley. The
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statement says helpful leakage. Is that correct, Maxwell? It says
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helpful leakage. That doesn't mean he leaked anything. McCauley, did
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you leak to the press information about the subject line
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VR cried rape prior case dismissed as sectors founder not credible? Maxwell,
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I don't no idea what redacted is referring to. I
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think he is referring to the press held the story.
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I couldn't testify to that. McCauley. Did you leak to
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the press information regarding the statement vr crid rate prior
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case dismissed as prosecutors found are not credible, either through
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you or through redacted answer? I think this is coming
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from the Daily Mail, McCauley. That is not my question.
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I'm asking whether you or redacted leak that Maxwell. I
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have no knowledge. I have no idea. I'm sorry, I can't.
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I have no recollection. I have no idea what she
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is talking about. McCauley. I'm going to mark this as sixteen.
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Maxwell exhibits sixteen email marked for identification. McCauley. This is
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an email addressed at the top from Jeffrey Epstein on Monday,
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January twelfth, twenty fifteen, to redacted, which I understand to
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be your email address. Reads. You can issue a reward
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to any of Virginia's friends, acquaintances, family that come forward
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to help prove her allegations are false. The strongest is
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the redacted dinner and the new version of the Virgin
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Islands that redacted practiced in an underage Georgie. Did you
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offer any rewards to Virginia's family or friends to contradict
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Virginia's story. That's the same strategy, just to interject here
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that Leon Black was using, basically putting a bounty out
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on the accuser. Friends and family, come forward, get some
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of my money. Maxwell, absolutely not. McCauley, did Jeffrey Epstein
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offer any rewards to any of Virginia's as he suggests here, friends, families,
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or acquaintances to contradict Virginia's story? Mister Pagliuca objection to
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the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I have no idea
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what he did. McCauley. Did he tell you he was
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going to offer rewards to Virginia's acquaintances, friends, and family
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to approve her allegations were false? Answer by Maxwell, He
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did not. McCauley. Do you know whether Jeffrey Epstein paid
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redacted to give testimony about Virginia Roberts? Maxwell, I don't
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know who redacted is. McCauley, so you don't know whether
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Jeffrey Epstein paid her. Maxwell, I don't know who redacted is. McCauley.
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Have you ever contacted any of Virginia's friends, acquaintances, or
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family regarding this case? Maxwell, I don't know who Virginia's
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friends or family are, and I have not contacted anybody
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related to her in any way, shape or form. McCauley,
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I will turn you. I believe it's the thicker document,
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which is Maxwell. I believe it was fourteen right there
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the compilation document, the GM at the bottom GM zero
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zero zero seven to one. You actually may want to
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turn the prior page seventy so you can see the
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email chain at the top of the page. Mister Pagliuca,
23:53
I don't have a zero zero zero seven to one, McCauley.
23:57
It's the second page in that document, pag Leuka, Okay,
24:01
McAuley is stated Friday, March eleventh, twenty eleven from Maxwell
24:05
to Jeffrey with the title daily Mail. And there is
24:08
a forward from redacted to you and a number of
24:11
other individuals that's on the cover page. And as you
24:14
scroll to the second page, you are going to see
24:17
that part of the chain that I'm asking about, and
24:20
that is the chain at the bottom, which is dated
24:22
three ten, twenty eleven from redacted, and it says we
24:26
think we should think about the letter to the editor.
24:30
School can be University. Age of consent in Florida is
24:33
complex see below. If you are sixteen years old, a
24:36
sexual relationship with someone eighteen to twenty four is legal
24:40
in Florida two persons between sixteen and twenty four Florida
24:44
Statutes seven ninety four dot five. A person twenty four
24:48
years of age or older who engages in sexual activity
24:52
with a person sixteen or seventeen years of age commits
24:55
a felony in the second degree. So as soon as
24:57
you turn sixteen, you are able to have sexual or relations,
25:00
and you can have sexual relations with the minor under
25:03
the age of eighteen until your twenty fourth birthday. Why
25:06
were you concerned with the age of consent in Florida?
25:09
Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and foundation of the question. Maxwell,
25:15
I wasn't concerned. I think this was somebody sending me
25:18
the statute for informational purposes. McCauley, who is redacted? Maxwell,
25:24
He is the person who redacted boss. I believe I
25:27
don't know what the relationship is. McCauley. I didn't hear you,
25:30
Maxwell redacted. I'm not sure exactly. McCauley. Why would he
25:35
be sending you information addressing concerns about the age of
25:38
consent in Florida. Mister Pagliuka objection to the form and
25:42
the Foundation. Maxwell, I think he was just trying to
25:46
be telling me details that would happen. Virginia in eleven
25:49
was claiming she was fifteen, and we thought she was seventeen.
25:52
I didn't know what the statutes were in Florida, and
25:55
I think he was just trying to be helpful so
25:57
I would know. McCauley, did you have a concern that
26:01
you had violated the statute in Florida? Pagliuka objection to
26:05
the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, No, McCauley, did you
26:09
have a concern that Jeffrey Epstein had violated this statute
26:13
in Florida? Maxwell, I'm not concerned what happened with Jeffrey.
26:17
I'm only concerned with what happens with me. McCauley, did
26:20
you communicate with redacted about the sexual consent age in Florida?
26:24
Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. It mistates
26:28
her testimony. Maxwell, I wasn't concerned. I think he was
26:32
actually being helpful and stating what the statute was. McCauley,
26:37
I'm going to turn you now in that same stack
26:40
to the Bates number GM zero zero zero eight eight
26:43
at the top of the email you were going to
26:45
see Jeffrey Epstein dated June eighth, twenty eleven to you,
26:49
and it's got a line Vanity Fair. If you go
26:51
down the chain you will see where it says under
26:53
your email. Do you have a problem with anything I said?
26:57
Were you communicating with Jeffrey to confirm what stated you
27:00
could put in any press releases you were given? Mister Pagliuka,
27:04
objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell, Any interest
27:08
I have is in accuracy, McCauley. Were you confirming with
27:13
Jeffrey Epstein what information you could put in a press release?
27:16
Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, Again,
27:21
I'm only looking for accuracy, McCauley. Why would you ask
27:25
him if he had a problem with anything you were saying? Maxwell?
27:29
If there is anything I characterize that is not correct, McCauley,
27:34
that's not what you said. You said. Do you have
27:36
a problem with anything I said? Pagliuka objection to the
27:40
form and the foundation. There is no question pending McCauley,
27:44
there is, Pagliuka. That's not a question, it's a statement. McCauley,
27:49
don't interrupt me. McCauley, did you say, do you have
27:53
a problem with anything? I said, Maxwell, that was asking,
27:56
in my parlance, that I wanted him to check it
27:59
for accuracy. McCauley, did he tell you there was anything
28:03
inaccurate about that statement? Maxwell? Again, I have to read
28:07
the whole thing to figure it out. McCauley, were you
28:10
coordinating with Jeffrey Epstein during this time period in twenty
28:13
eleven regarding statements that you were issuing to the press. Pagliuka?
28:18
Did you withdraw the last question? McCauley, I'm not withdrawing anything.
28:22
I'm asking a question. Pagliuka, there was a question pending.
28:26
You didn't let the witness answer the question. Then you
28:29
moved on to another question. So I'm asking for clarification
28:32
for the record. Now, which question are we answering? McCauley,
28:36
There is an answer. The question was did he tell
28:39
you anything there was anything in the statement inaccurate about
28:43
the statement? And she said, again, I read the whole
28:46
thing the witness. I would love to McCauley. Maxwell said
28:49
that she would have to read the whole thing to
28:51
figure it out. Pagliuka then she started reading it, and
28:54
then you asked another question. McCauley. That's the question, Pagliuka.
28:59
I'm wondering if it's still pending McCauley. It was answered. McCauley.
29:04
Were you coordinating with Jeffrey Epstein during the time period
29:07
in twenty eleven regarding the statements you were issuing to
29:10
the press Pagliuca objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
29:15
I only wanted to be accurate in any factual statements
29:18
that I made. McCauley, You knew at the time that
29:21
Jeffrey Epstein had been convicted for sexual abuse of a minor.
29:24
Is that correct, mister Pagliuca. Objection to the Form and
29:28
the Foundation. Maxwell. He was sentenced, I believe, for underage
29:32
soliciting an underage prostitute. McCauley, you knew that he was
29:37
a registered sex offender. Maxwell. Yes, McCauley, you were coordinating
29:42
with them with that statement that you were going to
29:45
be making to the press to confirm whether they were accurate.
29:47
In your words, mister Pagliuca, objection to the Form and
29:51
the Foundation, Maxwell, I was not coordinating with Jeffrey. He
29:55
had details that I did not have. I was not
29:58
party to his case. I need to have information in
30:01
order to be able to respond, so I was not
30:03
coordinating with them. I was merely asking for details that
30:07
I could have. McCauley. Did Jeffrey write any of your
30:10
press statements for you? Maxwell? No, McCauley did he draft
30:14
any of them? Maxwell. I have a lawyer who was
30:16
working on this, and that was I asked. I believe,
30:20
as I recollect, asked him for information to make sure
30:23
I was being accurate in the representations for whatever I
30:26
was discussing. McCauley, did Jeffrey provide you with any drafts
30:30
of statements to provide to the press, Maxwell, I only
30:34
recall drafts from my lawyer, McCauley. I will mark this
30:39
as Maxwell seventeen. McCauley, this is an email from you
30:43
on January tenth, twenty fifteen, to redact it the statement
30:47
you had before you earlier that if you can pull
30:50
that in front of you, the one page press release
30:52
that you gave you might not know it from memory.
30:55
Was the press release that you issued with the statement
30:57
about Virginia issued in or around Jim January second, twenty fifteen. Maxwell,
31:03
As best as I can recollect, McCauley, I want you
31:05
to turn your attention to the document I just handed you,
31:08
which is Bates number zero zero one, zero four to
31:11
four from you to here adacted. It says in the
31:14
first sentence, I'm out of my debt to understand defamation
31:18
other legal hazards, as I don't want to end up
31:20
in a lawsuit and at me from anyone if I
31:23
can help it. Apparently, even saying Virginia is a liar
31:26
is a hazard. You knew at the time you called
31:28
Virginia a liar in early January twenty fifteen that that
31:32
was something that would result in a lawsuit. Is that correct,
31:35
mister Pagliuka objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
31:40
I have legal advice that I took, McCauley, but you
31:43
knew in early January by making a statement calling Virginia
31:46
a liar that you are subjecting yourself to a legal
31:49
dispute with her. Mister Pagliuka, objection to the Form and
31:53
the Foundation. Maxwell, I took legal advice as to what
31:57
should be said and not be said, and the legal
31:59
advice that came from the United Kingdom was Pagliuka interjects,
32:03
you are not allowed to talk about any legal advice
32:06
that you got from anybody that's a lawyer. Maxwell. Sorry, McCauley,
32:11
so is it correct without telling me that you talk
32:13
to your lawyers about that you knew because this is
32:17
dated January tenth, that when you made this statement in
32:20
early January January second of twenty fifteen, you knew that
32:24
calling Virginia a liar would subject you to legal action.
32:28
Isn't that correct? Pakluka objection to the form and foundation
32:32
as to what you knew. Whatever she knows would be
32:35
privileged McCauley, I'm asking if she knows. I'm not asking
32:39
her to tell me about the privileged communications. Maxwell. All
32:42
I can say is I asked a question and received
32:45
legal advice. All right, folks, We're going to wrap up
32:48
right there, and in the next episode we'll pick up
32:50
where we left off. All of the information that goes
32:54
with this episode can be found in the description box.
32:57
What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
33:02
We're gonna pick up where we left off with the
33:04
Glen Maxwell deposition as we continue to consume this elephant,
33:08
one bite at a time. McCauley, this is an email
33:13
dated January fifteenth, twenty fifteen, from Jeffrey Epstein to you Maxwell.
33:18
Uh huh, McCauley. It states, in the first line, do
33:21
you want redacted to come out and say she was
33:24
the girlfriend during the time? Pagliuca objection to the form
33:28
and the foundation of the question. And actually the word
33:31
is redacted. There is no vowel in there, McCauley. I
33:34
was just trying to pronounce it. McCauley. This email reads,
33:38
do you want redacted without a vow to come out
33:40
and say she was the girlfriend during the time? Who
33:44
was Jeffrey Epstein referring to Maxwell? I believe he was
33:47
referring to redacted. As we know now, they're talking about
33:52
chocolate sauce, the so called girlfriend of Jeffrey Epstein. McCauley,
33:58
Why was he asking if you wanted acted to come
34:00
out and say she was the girlfriend? Pagleyuka objection to
34:04
the form and the foundation. Maxwell. The way the press
34:08
and you were characterizing me is if I was with
34:11
Jeffrey throughout this entire period of time and I was not. McCauley.
34:16
Was Redacted with Jeffrey during this period of time? Maxwell?
34:20
I believe she was. McCauley. Did Jeffrey come out and
34:23
tell the press it was redacted and not you that
34:26
was with him as he is proposing here. Answer, I
34:29
don't believe he did. McCauley. Did you want him to
34:33
do that? Maxwell? No, I don't think I asked him
34:36
to do anything. No, McCauley. So do you know in
34:39
January of twenty fifteen, was redacted his girlfriend Maxwell? Twenty fifteen.
34:45
I have no idea who was his girlfriend in twenty fifteen. McCauley,
34:50
I'm sorry you were correct. In the period of nineteen
34:52
ninety nine to two thousand and two, was redacted his
34:55
girlfriend Maxwell? They spent a lot of time together. McCauley.
35:00
Did you talk to redacted about going to the press
35:03
and saying that she was the girlfriend and not you? Maxwell?
35:07
I have never spoken to redacted. McCauley. Was blank offered
35:11
any money to make a statement that she was the girlfriend?
35:14
Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I
35:18
have no idea. I have never spoken to redacted, and
35:21
I don't know anything. I have no idea Maxwell. Exhibit
35:25
nineteen email marked for identification McCauley. That's an email from
35:29
Jeffrey to Maxwell dated January twenty fifth, twenty fifteen. Maxwell,
35:35
Uh huh, McCauley, I will direct your attention to the
35:38
bottom email, which is from you on Saturday, January twenty fourth,
35:42
twenty fifteen. It says I would appreciate it if redacted
35:47
would come out and say she was your girlfriend. I
35:50
think she was from the end of nineteen ninety nine
35:52
to two thousand and two. Does that refresh your recollection
35:56
that you asked Jeffrey to have redacted come out and
35:59
say she was his girl friend? Maxwell? I'm sure I
36:02
would have loved anybody to come out and say that
36:05
they were with Jeffrey rather than me. McCauley, Was that
36:08
an accurate statement you were asking to be made to
36:11
the press? Mister Pakliuka objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell,
36:16
when is this McCauley, twenty fifteen. The statement is whether
36:20
she was the girlfriend from nineteen ninety nine to two
36:23
thousand and two, as the email reads, Maxwell, what is
36:27
your question, McCauley. My question is was that an accurate
36:31
statement you were going to be giving to the press. Maxwell.
36:34
I didn't make the statement, and redacted never came out,
36:37
so it's completely mood McCauley. My question is was it
36:42
an accurate statement that redacted was the girlfriend from nineteen
36:45
ninety nine to two thousand and two or were you
36:48
just making that up for purposes of deflecting press from you?
36:52
Mister Pakliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
36:57
as I said, they spent a lot of time together.
36:59
And to this, McCauley interrupts her. Were you also his
37:02
girlfriend from nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and two? Answer?
37:06
I don't know if I would ever have characterized myself
37:09
as his girlfriend, but redacted at the time was with
37:12
them as much, if not more than I was. McCauley,
37:15
I will mark this as Maxwell twenty Maxwell Exhibit twenty
37:19
email marked four identification McCauley. This is an email. At
37:23
the top, it's bates labeled zero zero one zero six zero.
37:27
At the top is a chain from Jeffrey to you
37:30
on January eleventh, twenty fifteen. If you look below, I'm
37:34
going to start at the bottom of that chain, which
37:36
is January eleven, at nine fifteen from Jeffrey, and he
37:40
wrote redacted, do you have an article coming out in
37:43
Monday's paper? If so, could you please forward us a copy?
37:46
Do you know what redacted Jeffrey was referring to there, Maxwell,
37:50
I don't know, McCauley. If you look up the email chain,
37:53
do you see an email address from redacted responding to
37:56
that letter? Maxwell? I do, McCauley, Oh, that would be
38:00
redacted that Jeffrey was emailing at the time according to
38:03
this chain. Correct, Maxwell, it certainly looks like it, McCauley.
38:08
The email from redacted to Jeffrey is nothing. On Monday,
38:11
I'm working on several possible articles about unfairness in the
38:14
legal process that allows false charges to be inserted into
38:18
legal documents with no opportunity to respond. And do you
38:22
see above that Jeffrey's email to you that says, quote
38:25
careful Maxwell, is that to me or to redact it? McCauley,
38:30
Jeffrey to redact it at the top. Why was Jeffrey
38:33
telling you to be careful? Mister Pagluka objection to the
38:36
form and the foundation? Maxwell, I have no idea, McCauley,
38:41
what was he concerned about with redacted suggestion in that
38:44
email below? Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell,
38:49
I can't possibly know. McCauley. Did you discuss with him?
38:54
Why he told you to be careful. Maxwell, I had
38:57
limited contact with him. I don't recall where this goes
38:59
in the chain. Why he was telling me to be careful.
39:01
I have no idea. McCauley. Did you respond to this email? Maxwell?
39:06
If you don't have it, I didn't respond. McCauley. Did
39:09
you ever delete emails during the period of January of
39:12
twenty fifteen? Maxwell? I have every email that you have
39:16
asked for in discovery that I have gave you. McCauley,
39:20
That's not my question. Did you ever delete emails in
39:23
January of twenty fifteen? Maxwell? I have not deleted anything
39:28
you have asked me for in discovery. I have given
39:30
you everything that I have McCauley, that is not my question.
39:34
My question is, did you ever delete emails in January
39:37
of twenty fifteen? Maxwell? In the normal course of my work,
39:41
there are emails from spam that I delete. That is
39:43
the type of email that I've deleted. Anything that is
39:46
material to what you want, I have not deleted. McCauley.
39:50
How do you know that, Maxwell, Well, anybody or anything
39:54
that has to do with Jeffrey or redacted or women
39:57
or anything of which I know you were interested in
39:59
of which I have anything I would not have done
40:02
because I don't want to subject myself to this. She's
40:06
cut off by McCauley. Have you had your computer forensically
40:09
copied for the purpose of this litigation? Mister Pagliuca objection
40:14
to the form and foundation? Maxwell? Has someone made a
40:18
copy of your computer for purposes of this litigation? Maxwell? No, McCauley,
40:23
Are you a citizen of the United States? Maxwell, I
40:26
am McCauley. Are you a citizen of England? Maxwell, I
40:30
am McCauley. Are you a citizen of any other land? Maxwell? Teramar?
40:36
Really they have their own land there, Huh Okay, I
40:38
guess McCauley. That's the name of your charity project that
40:43
deals with the oceans. Is that correct? Maxwell? Yeah, I'm
40:46
French as well. McCauley. Has Jeffrey Epstein funded Taramar for you?
40:51
Answer from Maxwell? He did give me some money to Taramar, Yes, McCauley.
40:55
How much? Maxwell? I believe it was fifty thousand and right.
40:59
Here's the ree O case that I've been talking about.
41:02
If you just want to bear bon z Errico case
41:04
here it is right here. She got money from his
41:07
malfeasance therefore she's just as guilty as he is, point blank, period.
41:12
But still no Rico McCauley. Earlier today, you said you
41:17
were in the process of resolving to sell of your
41:19
town home. Where do you intend to live once your
41:21
town home is sold? Maxwell? That's a good question. I
41:24
don't have an answer for you yet. McCauley. You don't
41:27
have a present plan. Do you intend to live in
41:29
the United States? Maxwell? I don't have a present plan. McCauley.
41:33
Are you living outside of your town home right now
41:36
or are you still there? Maxwell, I'm just CouchSurfing. CouchSurfing?
41:40
Is it okay? McCauley. Has Jeffrey Epstein ever purchased a
41:43
company for you or put a company in your name?
41:47
Mister Pagliuca an objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
41:52
I have no recollection, McCauley. Is there a Glenn Maxwell Corporation,
41:56
for example? Maxwell? No, not that I'm aware of that
42:00
has anything to do with me. There may be one
42:03
with someone else owns were started, but not one that
42:06
is related to me. McCauley. I'm going to take a
42:09
short break and make sure to keep it short because
42:11
I know you wanted to. I just want to wrap
42:14
this up what I have left. It's now five point
42:16
forty nine and we are off the record. They're back
42:19
on at six and McCauley's once again asking the questions. McCauley, Maxwell,
42:26
do you recall being subpoenad for a deposition back in
42:28
two thousand and nine? Maxwell? I do, McCauley. Why did
42:33
you avoid giving your deposition in that case when you
42:36
were subpoenaed and had the opportunity to tell your side
42:38
of the story. Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
42:44
That's not what happened, McCauley. What happened Maxwell, as best
42:48
I recall, I was subpoena and the date was set
42:51
for the subpoena, and everything was set, and I believe
42:54
it was with Brad Edwards. Correct me if I'm wrong.
42:56
And Brad Edwards failed to show up for the subpoena McCauley,
43:00
So your testimony is Brad Edwards did not show up
43:03
for the deposition that had been set Maxwell. Correct. McCauley,
43:08
did you give any statement that your mother was ill
43:10
and therefore you couldn't take your deposition and had to
43:13
leave the country indefinitely? Maxwell that's an entirely separate situation.
43:17
Brad Edwards was involved in the redacted I believe you
43:20
know is when fake suits were created in Jeffrey's case
43:24
and redacted and redacted, and Brad Edwards worked for that
43:28
firm McCauley, and mister Edwards worked for that firm Maxwell.
43:31
So when the subpoena came, Brad Edwards was involved with
43:34
redacted in the case. So when I was called for
43:37
subpoena then and I had a subpoena dayton time set,
43:41
Brad Edwards went awall, meaning he failed to respond to
43:44
calls and failed to get in touch with my attorneys
43:47
even though a Dayton time was set for the subpoena.
43:49
And so that's what happened to that subpoena. It just
43:52
didn't happen. McCauley. We may be talking about two different cases.
43:56
So I will ask the question again. Was there ever
43:58
a time where you were subpoena to sit for a
44:00
deposition that you cannot make it because you said that
44:03
your mother was ill? Maxwell? So that is the same
44:07
subpoena that Brad Edwards failed to turn up for. And
44:10
when I think five or six months passed between a
44:12
period of time. I can't characterize it exactly. A period
44:16
of time passed where he then resurfaced and asked for
44:19
a new subpoena to be a new time to be set,
44:22
and because he had contacted the press and done all
44:24
sorts of things that you guys are familiar with. I
44:27
believe it was my lawyer suggested that I should have
44:30
some sort of protective order. And I believe between the
44:33
time for when Brad Edwards resurfaced after they're adacted for
44:37
creating fake cases in Jeffreys and other people's cases, in
44:41
between the time when there were trying to figure out
44:44
the protective situation for me, my mother was sick. She
44:47
is eighty nine. She was eighty nine at the time,
44:50
so they we can all we all have parents, so anyone,
44:53
I don't know how old your parents are, but any
44:56
parent or godparent, any individual who was in their late
44:59
eighties or ninety we can understand as health issues. So
45:02
my mother's health was deteriorating very rapidly at that time,
45:06
and we had issues at home with who she would
45:09
talk to and had a manager her health care situation,
45:13
and so I went home. They were still arguing about
45:16
protective orders, She gets interrupted here by manager. Is it
45:19
your testimony that there was not a date set for
45:22
your deposition at the time you left to go see
45:24
your mother? Maxwell, I don't believe so. All right, folks,
45:29
we're gonna wrap up this part here and then the
45:31
next episode we'll pick up where we left off. All
45:34
of the information that goes with this episode can be
45:37
found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
45:42
back to the Epstein Chronicles. This episode, we're going to
45:45
dive right back in to that Glaine Maxwell deposition and
45:49
pick up where we left off. Now. The next section,
45:53
McCauley is asking about Glaine Maxwell and her friendship with
45:57
the Clintons. McCauley, are you friends with the Clintons? Maxwell,
46:01
I am McCauley. Did you attend the wedding of Chelsea
46:05
Clinton a few weeks after the date was set, let's say,
46:08
a few weeks after you left to go see your
46:10
mother who was ill. Maxwell. I don't recall exactly when
46:14
I left, but it was before a few weeks before.
46:18
I don't remember the exact timing of that, so I'm sorry.
46:21
Can you repeat your question, McCauley, did you come back
46:24
to the United States to attend Chelsea Clinton's wedding. Maxwell,
46:29
I attended Chelsea Clinton's wedding, but I don't know if
46:32
I came back specifically for that or not. McCauley, when
46:35
we were looking at the flight logs earlier, there was
46:37
a flight where you ended up in redacted. I believe
46:40
it was in redacted. Do you know how you got
46:43
clearance to land at that redacted? Maxwell, I need to
46:47
have a look at whatever the document is, McCauley, it's
46:50
one of the flight logs. It was on the flight
46:52
with redacted. When we were talking about you landed at redacted.
46:57
I know you're a pilot. Do you know what you
46:59
had to do to get clearance to land at the
47:01
naval base? Well, that's nice landing at naval bases, mister Pagliuca.
47:06
If you need to look at something to answer the question,
47:08
you can. If you can't answer the question without looking
47:11
at something, just indicate such Maxwell, Regardless, I wouldn't have
47:16
any knowledge of that McCauley was redacted traveling with you
47:20
on the flights that you were on with redacted. Maxwell,
47:23
I would have to look at the document. I wouldn't
47:25
know if she was on all of them or not.
47:28
I don't know, McCauley. Do you recall her being on
47:31
any of them? Maxwell, To the best of my recollection,
47:35
I think she was. I don't recollect exactly what flight
47:37
she was on or not. McCauley was one of the
47:41
co conspirators physically in the non constitution agreement? Is that correct,
47:46
mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the Foundation? Maxwell.
47:51
I have never seen the document, but my understanding I believe,
47:54
is that she was. McCauley. Did you ever stay the
47:57
night ever at Redacted's house? Redact? Have you ever stayed
48:01
the night there? Maxwell? In his home? Redacted? Maxwell? Yes, Maxwell,
48:07
I don't believe I did. McCauley. Are you aware of
48:10
anybody providing Jeffrey with two twelve year old girls as
48:13
birthday presents? Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell. No, McCauley.
48:21
Are you aware of anybody ever providing Jeffrey with French
48:24
girls under the age of eighteen as a birthday present?
48:27
Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell. No. McCauley,
48:33
do you know whether redacted provided girls under the age
48:36
of sixteen to Jeffrey for the purposes of sex. Pagliuca
48:40
objection to the form and the foundation, Maxwell, I am
48:45
The answer is no, I don't know anything about that. McCauley.
48:49
Did you ever witness redacted bringing girls under the age
48:51
of eighteen to any of Jeffrey's residences and we're talking
48:55
about Jean Luke Brunel here, I would guess mister Pakluka
48:58
objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I don't
49:02
recollect redacted coming to the house with girls period. McCauley.
49:07
Do you, when I say house, I'm including the US
49:09
Virgin Island home. Do you recollect redacted bringing foreign girls
49:13
under the age of eighteen to the US Virgin Island's house? Maxwell,
49:17
I don't recollect anything like that. Perjury, one hundred percent perjury.
49:21
Right here, there is not a doubt in the world
49:24
that Jean Luke Brunell was bringing these girls to America
49:27
from Europe and elsewhere for these idiots to abuse. And
49:31
speaking of Jean Luke Brunell, maybe somebody should ask Steve
49:34
Manoochin what he was doing working with the dude. McCauley,
49:38
do you know how Jeffrey Epstein made his money? Maxwell? No,
49:41
McCauley was redacted one of his clients. Maxwell, I have
49:45
no idea, McCauley. What do you know about the relationship
49:49
between Jeffrey Epstein and redacted Maxwell? Are you talking today, McCauley, Yes, today, Maxwell,
49:55
I have no idea, McCauley. Do they have a business relationship, Maxwell,
50:00
I have no idea, McCauley. Did they have a business
50:03
relationship during the time that you were working for Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell?
50:07
I believe in the nineties when I was there, they
50:10
had a business relationship. McCauley. Did they have any other
50:13
kind of relationship? Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell.
50:19
The only relationship I am aware of is the business relationship, McCauley.
50:24
Do you know why Less Wexner sold the New York
50:26
House or gave the New York House to Jeffrey if
50:29
you know, mister Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation.
50:33
And just so we're aware in the redaction here it's redacted,
50:36
but it's obviously less Wexner. So when I can fill
50:39
the redactions in with confidence, I'll do that. Maxwell, I
50:43
know nothing about that transaction. McCauley. Can you list for
50:46
me all the girls that you have met and brought
50:48
to Jeffrey Epstein's house that were under the age of eighteen.
50:51
Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
50:56
I could only recall my family members that were there,
50:58
and I cannot make a list of anyone else because
51:01
that list it never happened that I can think of. McCauley,
51:05
I'm talking about the time you were working for Jeffrey Epstein.
51:08
Can you list all the girls that you found for
51:10
Jeffrey Epstein that were under the age of eighteen to
51:13
come work for him in any capacity? Pagliuka objection to
51:17
the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I didn't find the girls. McCauley,
51:22
you choose the word, Pagliuka. If you have the question,
51:25
ask it, you don't choose the word. McCauley, list all
51:29
the girls you met and brought to Jeffrey Epstein's home
51:31
for the purpose of employment that were under the age
51:34
of eighteen. Pagliuka objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
51:39
I've already characterized. My job was to find people, adults,
51:43
professional people to do the jobs I listed before. Pool person, secretary,
51:48
house person, chef, pilot architect. McCauley, I'm asking about individuals
51:53
under the age of eighteen, not adult persons. People under
51:56
the age of eighteen, Maxwell, I look for people, or
52:00
tried to find people to fill professional jobs in professional situations. McCauley,
52:05
So Virginia was under the age of eighteen, correct, Maxwell,
52:10
I think we've established that Virginia was seventeen. McCauley, Is
52:13
she the sorry go ahead? Is she the only individual
52:16
that you met for the purposes of hiring someone for
52:19
Jeffrey that was under the age of eighteen? Mister Pagliuca
52:23
objection to Form and Foundation mischaracterizes her testimony. Maxwell. I
52:28
didn't hire people, McCauley, I said met Maxwell, I interviewed
52:33
people for jobs for professional things, and I am not
52:36
aware of anyone aside from now Virginia who clearly was
52:40
a masseuse age seventeen. But that's at least that's how
52:43
far we know that I can think of that fulfilled
52:46
any professional capacity for Jeffrey. McCauley, List all the people
52:51
under the age of eighteen that you interacted with at
52:53
any of Jeffrey's properties. Maxwell, I am not aware of
52:57
anybody that I interacted with other than obviously Virginia, who
53:00
is seventeen at this point. Maxwell Exhibit twenty one email
53:05
marked for identification. McCauley, I'm showing you what's been marked
53:09
is Maxwell twenty one. It's from an email dated January
53:12
twenty first, twenty fifteen, from Jeffrey to you. Is that
53:16
you can take a moment to take a look at it.
53:19
Is that a statement that Jeffrey Epstein wrote for you
53:22
to be issued to the press. Pagliuca objection to the
53:26
form and the foundation? Maxwell. The question was McCauley, is
53:31
this a statement that Jeffrey Epstein wrote for you to
53:34
be issued to the press. Pagliuca, same objection, Maxwell. Is
53:38
there any other emails that you have that surround this
53:41
that would allow me to know what? Does this have
53:43
a context? McCauley. These were produced by your counsel, so
53:47
to that extent that there are emails that surround this.
53:50
This is what we were given Maxwell, Okay, I don't
53:54
know whether he wrote this. Obviously he wrote this and
53:57
sent it to me. I don't know if this is
53:59
a post of phone call we had. I can't recollect exactly, McCauley.
54:03
Do you know if this statement was issued to the press. Maxwell,
54:08
the only press statement that was issued is the one
54:10
that you have McCauley. When the paragraph refers to you
54:14
being in a long term, committed a relationship with another man,
54:17
who is that other man? Pagliuka, You don't have to
54:20
answer that, McCauley. I'm asking the identity of a witness
54:23
in a statement she is giving. Pagliuka, she didn't give
54:26
the statement. McCauley. Jeffrey is writing to her. I'm asking
54:30
who is he referencing to a long term relationship. You're
54:34
going to refuse to let her answer the question, Pagliuca. Yes, McCauley.
54:38
I would like to state for the record he is
54:40
refusing to allow her to identify potential witnesses in this litigation.
54:44
So we will get back to that question later on. McCauley,
54:48
do you recall when you were traveling with Virginia Roberts
54:51
that you would be responsible for holding her passport? Pagliuka
54:55
objection to the Forum and the Foundation. Maxwell, I already
54:59
testify I don't recall traveling with Virginia. McCauley. Do you
55:03
recall whether Jeffrey Epstein when he was traveling with a minor,
55:06
someone under the age of eighteen, someone would hold their passport.
55:10
Mister Bagliuca object to the form. Maxwell. I couldn't testify
55:14
to what Jeffrey did or didn't do. McCauley. You never
55:18
observed him gathering a miner's passport and holding it during
55:21
one of the trips you were on. Maxwell, I don't
55:24
have recollection of that. McCauley. Are you familiar with a
55:27
company called Hyperion Air Incorporated? Maxwell, I am McCauley. Is
55:32
that a company that you are affiliated with? Maxwell? No, McCauley.
55:37
Is that a company that Jeffrey owns? Maxwell? I knew
55:40
it back in two thousand and one, back when I
55:42
was working. I have no idea what that is today. McCauley.
55:46
What about je Ge Are you familiar with that company
55:49
JEGE Incorporated? Maxwell? I don't recall it. McCauley. You don't
55:55
recall it, Maxwell. It vaguely rings a bell. I don't
55:58
remember what it relates to. McCauley. What about the Jeffrey
56:01
Epstein Virgin Islands Foundation Incorporated? Are you familiar with that company? Maxwell? No. McCauley.
56:08
How about Jay Epstein in Company Incorporated? Maxwell? Again, I
56:13
don't recall his business names and affiliations. McCauley, how about NESLLC?
56:19
Are you familiar with that name? Maxwell? Again, I think
56:22
that was one of his businesses, but I don't recall. McCauley.
56:26
Do you know what that business did? Maxwell? I don't. McCauley.
56:30
How about New York Strategy Group Incorporated? Maxwell? I don't. McCauley,
56:35
what about Glenn Maxwell Company? Are you familiar with that company? Maxwell?
56:40
I never heard of it. McCauley. Is that a company
56:42
you are on record of being either a board member
56:45
of or having a position of authority in? Mister Pagliuca
56:49
objection to the Form and the Foundation, Maxwell, I've never
56:54
heard of that business. McCauley, what negative on flattering, private
56:58
or potentially embarrassing information? Does Jeffrey Epstein know about you?
57:02
Pagluka objection to the Form and the Foundation? Maxwell, I
57:06
imagine none. McCauley, does he know does he have any
57:10
knowledge of any illegal activity that you have conducted? Pagliuca
57:14
object to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell. If you
57:17
want to ask Jeffrey questions about me, you would have
57:20
to ask him. McCauley, have you ever been involved in
57:24
any illegal activity? In your lifetime, mister Pagliuka objection to
57:27
the form and the foundation. Maxwell. I can't think of
57:31
anything I have done that is illegal. McCauley. Have you
57:34
ever been arrested? Maxwell? I have a DUI in the
57:37
UK a long time ago. McCauley. Is that the only
57:40
arrest you have on your record? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley, I
57:44
will mark as Maxwell twenty two this email. This is
57:47
dated January twenty first, twenty fifteen. It's from Jeffrey Epstein
57:52
to you, forwarding the Guardian, and I would like you
57:55
to look at the chain of emails so you understand
57:58
and have an appreciation for who is is on this.
58:01
It's a three page document. The bottom of the email
58:04
appears to be a message from There is a at
58:06
the very bottom there is the signature block for redacted,
58:09
redacted and redacted, and above that there is a message
58:12
from redacted. Do you see that? Maxwell? Uh? Huh McCauley.
58:17
Do you know who redacted is? Maxwell? I do not, McCauley.
58:21
Above that there is a message from redacted and you
58:25
It says, so this isn't getting better? Latest from our
58:28
chums at the Guardian. And above that will you see
58:31
on January twenty first, an email from you where you
58:34
wrote see below and right above the chain you will
58:37
see Jeffrey Epstein to you on January twenty first, and
58:41
his statement to you is this will now end. But
58:44
I think a dismissive statement is okay? What did he
58:47
mean by his statement? This will now end? Mister Pagliyuka
58:51
objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell, I have
58:54
no idea, McCauley. Did you discuss with them what he
58:58
meant by that statement This will now end? Maxwell, I
59:01
don't recall McCauley. Was he taking action to ensure that
59:05
that quote? This will now end? Maxwell? I have no idea, McCauley, Maxwell.
59:13
Exhibit twenty three email marked for identification. This is an
59:16
email from If you look at the chain at the top,
59:19
you will see it's from you to Jeffrey on January
59:21
twenty seventh, and the email at the bottom of the
59:23
chain is from Jeffrey to you on January twenty seventh.
59:27
He states, what happened to you and your statement? Question
59:30
mark question mark and you put at the top. I
59:32
have not decided what to do Maxwell, Uh huh, McCauley,
59:37
Why was Jeffrey interested in making a statement for you
59:40
to the press. Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
59:45
I don't know that he was interested. We made a statement,
59:48
and then I was being advised to make additional statements,
59:51
and I never did. McCauley. Was Jeffrey communicating with you
59:55
regularly on the additional statement you might make Pagliuka objection
1:00:00
to the form and the foundation? Maxwell? No, I've communicated
1:00:04
with them very little, as little as possible. McCauley. Why
1:00:08
did you feel that you had to keep them informed
1:00:10
of statements you were making to the press. Pakliuka objection
1:00:14
to the form and the foundation. Maxwell. I didn't feel
1:00:17
I had to McCauley. Then why were you communicating with
1:00:21
them about statements you were making in the press Pagliuka
1:00:25
objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell. Insofar as
1:00:29
this is the case, it's really all about Jeffrey. It's
1:00:32
not a case about me. All right, folks, We're gonna
1:00:35
wrap up right there, and in the next episode we'll
1:00:37
pick up where we left off. All of the information
1:00:41
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