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Ari Temkin on College basketball transfer portal open, How will Utes use Devon and Byrd (?) + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
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Speaker 2: M oh, Welcome back to the Shawn O'Connell Show.
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Speaker 3: Welcome man, Ari ten Kin Big twelve Radio. I tune
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Speaker 3: in and at the Big twelve studios, and I think
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Speaker 3: Ari's gonna have to inform me here, maybe an update
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Speaker 3: to the Twitter bio?
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Speaker 4: Ari, Welcome to the show. How are you, sir?
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Speaker 1: Do I have an update to the Twitter bio? What
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Speaker 1: did I do? Did I see Victoria? When is it?
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Speaker 3: Did I just not notice Bears draft for Second City
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Speaker 3: Gridiron last time I looked at your Twitter bio?
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Speaker 1: I don't think so. Yeah. I you know, I've I've
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Speaker 1: been a huge Bears fan my whole life. I know,
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Speaker 1: we've talked about the fact that I'm from Chicago, and
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Speaker 1: you know, it's funny because in my travels in media,
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Speaker 1: I've covered a ton of teams that I don't really
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Speaker 1: care for, at least, you know, not that I was
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Speaker 1: ever a fan of, specifically the Dallas Cowboys and had
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Speaker 1: a great time covering them. But yeah, I got an
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Speaker 1: opportunity here with the last few months to sort of
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Speaker 1: bring my passion and love for you know, college sports,
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Speaker 1: the Big Twelve and being able to cover the draft
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Speaker 1: for a team that I grew up loving. And it's
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Speaker 1: probably now and about to be and maybe the greatest period.
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Speaker 1: It's the history of the Chicago Bears.
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Speaker 3: I was in Chicago on Friday and Saturday for some
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Speaker 3: PFL fights. We were at win Trust Arena on the
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Speaker 3: DePaul campus doing some fights and every driver that I
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Speaker 3: had and we've been going to Chicago for seven straight
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Speaker 3: years now, this was the first time I felt buzz
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Speaker 3: around your Bears. This was the first time that people
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Speaker 3: were just like, man, this is going to be awesome.
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Speaker 3: And you know, they're an iconic franchise.
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Speaker 4: We were talking.
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Speaker 3: I'm talking to people about the where they think the
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Speaker 3: stadium should end up and things like that. But there's
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Speaker 3: a palpable optimism and energy that has not been there
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Speaker 3: in Chicago for the Bears for a while, for.
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Speaker 1: A long time. Dude, I mean it really, and I
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Speaker 1: mean you look back historically, it's this franchise and I
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Speaker 1: mean some of the greatest linebackers the game has ever seen.
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Speaker 1: You know, when you think about butt kiss and Singletary
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Speaker 1: and er Locker and you know, and so many others,
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Speaker 1: and you know, I mean defensively, just some absolute beasts,
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Speaker 1: but you know, never a quarterback. The Bears have never
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Speaker 1: had a four thousand yard passer. I mean, there are
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Speaker 1: franchises in the National Football League that have like five
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Speaker 1: or six passers that have thrown for at least four
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Speaker 1: thousand yards and Bears have never had a four thousand
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Speaker 1: yard passer. And Caleb got as close as any last
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Speaker 1: year and his first year within Ben Johnson's system. So
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Speaker 1: I mean, look, he had some things to clean up,
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Speaker 1: but it was still only year two for Caleb, and
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Speaker 1: we're one within a brand new system, and I give
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Speaker 1: him a complete mulligan for year one, considering the grease fire,
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Speaker 1: if you will, that existed for the coaching staff. And look,
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Speaker 1: I mean this organization has really been very, very poor.
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Speaker 1: You know, you trace him back at your Tallas and
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Speaker 1: they won tons of championships. But then you know, after
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Speaker 1: Hallis dies, they give the franchise over the McCaskey family,
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Speaker 1: and they've just been horrendous and it feels like every
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Speaker 1: move they made was the wrong move. And you know,
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Speaker 1: and and firing being able to hire Ben Johnson and
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Speaker 1: bringing Gable Williams at least in one year, it looked
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Speaker 1: like absolute God said for an organization that just had
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Speaker 1: not had much success. So you know, I'm joining the
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Speaker 1: chorus of people like that. But you know, at the
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Speaker 1: same time, you got to go prove it. And this
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Speaker 1: is I mean, I think ye'r two is more difficult
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Speaker 1: within this new system because now teams have film. You know,
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Speaker 1: now teams are gonna be able to scheme and gain
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Speaker 1: plans for the things that you did well when last
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Speaker 1: year is more of a surprise. So it should be fun.
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Speaker 1: And of course I'm sure youths fans remember Jalen Johnson
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Speaker 1: who is coming off an injury from last year and
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Speaker 1: played well at the end of the season. So hopefully
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Speaker 1: he can come back fully healthy and be you know,
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Speaker 1: the shutdown corner that he's been for the Bears since
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Speaker 1: he's joined the league.
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Speaker 3: All Right, we're not going to make this Bears Radio today,
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Speaker 3: so I want to One of the things that has
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Speaker 3: been really one of the things that's very interesting to
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Speaker 3: me in these last few years, both in the Pac
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Speaker 3: twelve and then now in the Big twelve, has been
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Speaker 3: the sort of rise and I don't like saying fall,
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Speaker 3: but that's the correct way I think to characterize it
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Speaker 3: of Dion Sanders, especially when it comes to a perception
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Speaker 3: standpoint with him as a coach. And that may be
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Speaker 3: unfair because he was dealing with some really significant health
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Speaker 3: challenges last year that, whether he wants to admit it
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Speaker 3: or not, absolutely did hurt his ability to be a coach.
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Speaker 3: And he says his health is good now. But it's
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Speaker 3: been really for me interesting to see how people react
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Speaker 3: to Dion and by extension, Colorado football. And right now
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Speaker 3: it seems like the mood towards Colorado football and the
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Speaker 3: public opinion is set on skepticism and almost humor regarding
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Speaker 3: the Buffs. And I didn't expect this was not on
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Speaker 3: my bingo card, but the images coming out of spring
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Speaker 3: football of the Buffalos, people going like, man, this is
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Speaker 3: a tiny team, Like physically the players are too small,
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Speaker 3: and then of course people dive in and there's fourteen
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Speaker 3: guys on the roster that are listed at one hundred
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Speaker 3: and eighty five pounds or less. And now, rather than
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Speaker 3: questioning personnel decisions, at least coaching personnel decisions, and how
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Speaker 3: do you replace this player?
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Speaker 4: Or that player.
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Speaker 3: The question has gone so far as to say, hey,
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Speaker 3: does Dion have a roster that is made up of
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Speaker 3: guys with small bodies?
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Speaker 4: Like their bodies are too small?
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Speaker 3: And I didn't think we would get to this point
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Speaker 3: two years after we're talking about is.
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Speaker 4: He the best coach in college football right now?
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Speaker 3: So first of all, is that roster too small based
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Speaker 3: on what we have seen?
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Speaker 4: And how far can this fall for Dia?
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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because so there's so many ways
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Speaker 1: to talk about this. I'm so glad you brought this up.
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Speaker 1: O see so one, yes, maybe you know one of
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Speaker 1: their biggest, most high profile transfers five to ten, one
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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five pound receiver from Sacramento State and
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Speaker 1: San Jose State named Danny Scadero, who had twelve hundred
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Speaker 1: receiving yards for San Jose State last year. He led
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Speaker 1: the he led the country in receiving yards five ten,
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Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five pounds. And then I don't
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Speaker 1: think Julian Lewis is that big of a dude either,
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Speaker 1: And so it felt like those are the two guys
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Speaker 1: that were featured in that video and it did look
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Speaker 1: comically small and look this is oh see where Dion
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Speaker 1: lives like he lives in the margins. It's either love
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Speaker 1: or hate. There's no in between. And when you think about,
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Speaker 1: you know, any time they've been counted out and the
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Speaker 1: expectations have been so low, which is about where they
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Speaker 1: are right now, they seem to exceed those expectations. It's
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Speaker 1: when the expectations in the sky high and people are
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Speaker 1: you know, putting summers and Dion's name, that seems that
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Speaker 1: things seemed to go sour. And I do think that
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Speaker 1: there's good reason for optimism this year, you know, whereas
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Speaker 1: last year it was absolute grease fire. And I mean,
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Speaker 1: to your point, like there's some pretty legitimate reasons for it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, beyond not spending the entire offseason with the team,
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Speaker 1: there was obviously confusion over his status. I would sure,
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Speaker 1: I would be sure internally, you know, I imagine some
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Speaker 1: of the players knew what was going on, but you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure there had to be a lot of confusion
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Speaker 1: and that that led to just a really bad season.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think Cayden Salter was throwing to a
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Speaker 1: really bad offense where you know, it was way more
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Speaker 1: of a pro NFL style that worked for Sugar Sanders,
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Speaker 1: it worked for what they were doing previously. But you know,
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Speaker 1: if you've got a you know, a freshman quarterback and
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Speaker 1: Julian Lewis, and you've got a veteran quarterback and Kayden Salter,
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Speaker 1: and then you've got this long and the two off
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Speaker 1: of the coordinator with a former NFL head coach, you
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Speaker 1: know that runs more of an NFL pro style, Like
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Speaker 1: that's just not going to fit. They needed more of
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Speaker 1: a what they have now. And Brendan Marion coming in
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Speaker 1: as their offensive coordinator, so and Maryon's a guy that
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Speaker 1: comes you know previously as the head coach at sax State.
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Speaker 1: We know about that. You know that go go Brendon
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Speaker 1: Marion offense that he runs. So I'm more optimistic about
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Speaker 1: this team this year. I mean, do I think they're
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Speaker 1: gonna be, you know, ten win team competing for a
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Speaker 1: big twelve championship. No, But I think they definitely get
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Speaker 1: back to a bowl game. And I think this is
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Speaker 1: the year where Julian Lewis emerges as one of the
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Speaker 1: best quarterbacks in this league because I just think they
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Speaker 1: finally have an offense that makes sense for the players
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Speaker 1: they have, like they have not a running game at
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Speaker 1: all since has been there. It's been basically abysmal. And
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Speaker 1: I think again with with this go go offense to
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Speaker 1: Brendon Marion, you know they'll have that too. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: the first thing I thought when I saw that video
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Speaker 1: is their number one portal addition is a five to
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Speaker 1: seven hundred and seventy five pound receiver from San Jose
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Speaker 1: Stay with thirteen hundred receiving barks last year, So like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: some of these guys are not going to be the
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Speaker 1: most depressive guys off the bus for sure. Well.
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Speaker 3: I made some people mad listening here on the Home
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Speaker 3: of the Youths last week because I was like, you know,
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Speaker 3: there's not as obvious of like an eyeball, an eye
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Speaker 3: test passing defensive line room right now at the University
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Speaker 3: of Utah. We're accustomed to them having at least like
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Speaker 3: a couple of guys that are six five sixty six,
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Speaker 3: three hundred pounds plus, you know, and the group right
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Speaker 3: now is talented, but they're smaller, and it freaks me out.
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Speaker 3: I'm just like, because we've grown so accustomed to that
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Speaker 3: being a position of strength at the University of Utah,
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Speaker 3: and maybe it still will be, but it's not in
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Speaker 3: a way that you can identify if you're like sitting
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Speaker 3: next to your grandma and they're like, WHOA, who's number
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Speaker 3: ninety nine? You know, it's it's not that way right
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Speaker 3: now for Colorado in their entire roster. It seems it's
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Speaker 3: not that way for Utah on the defensive line, which
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Speaker 3: if you're a bus fan, I can understand being alarmed,
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Speaker 3: because I am alarmed in some ways for Utah's d
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Speaker 3: line without the size that they usually have.
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Speaker 1: Well, and that's a really interesting point because I mean, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it feels like it doesn't really matter over the years
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Speaker 1: the personnel side who they are. You know, there's always
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Speaker 1: going to be a turning players that are really good.
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Speaker 1: But it feels like with Utah, like it's just plug
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Speaker 1: and play and it's just whoever the next guy is
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Speaker 1: is going to become the next guy that's an absolute star.
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Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I'm sure the current head
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Speaker 1: coach had some you know, was definitely a he had
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Speaker 1: a role in that, but we don't know how much, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, because so much of what's what was happening
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Speaker 1: behind the scenes at this point is not well known,
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Speaker 1: and so I think there's a lot of like hope
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Speaker 1: and and expectation and look, I mean, you know, they're
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Speaker 1: not just going to turn this, this this important asset
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Speaker 1: of the football program over to somebody that they haven't
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Speaker 1: fully you know, I don't don't have full belief that
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Speaker 1: he's going to be the guy. But until he proves it, like,
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Speaker 1: it's a legitimate question and concern. And I think, you know,
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Speaker 1: it helps that he's a specialist or the guy that
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Speaker 1: has been a defensive mind. He's been aun the program
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Speaker 1: for a lot long time. So I guess it's a
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Speaker 1: long winded way of saying like, yeah, maybe physically this
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Speaker 1: is not the Utah team we're used to, but I
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Speaker 1: still think this is going to be a really good
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Speaker 1: defensive line because there's a credibility that they've built in
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Speaker 1: my eyes with the coaching staff along the defensive line
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Speaker 1: that I don't think leaves with Kyle Whittingham.
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Speaker 3: All Right, I have to I can't believe I haven't
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Speaker 3: asked you this question yet. I'm asking a lot of
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Speaker 3: people in the football world. We're all thrilled, and I
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Speaker 3: have been talking about the fact that we're all thrilled
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Speaker 3: over the fact that Bird Ficklin and Devon Dampier are
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Speaker 3: still on this Utah football roster, and I think it
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Speaker 3: bodes well for Kevin mcgiven, who's going to be a
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Speaker 3: guest on the show here in about fifteen minutes in
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Speaker 3: his first year as the offensive coordinator. But it also
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Speaker 3: begs the question, how do you use these guys? And
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Speaker 3: I'm putting Ari Tempkin in charge of coordinating an offense
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Speaker 3: or at least deciding how reps are split up and
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Speaker 3: how usage happens for and obviously talent, talented Devin Dampierre,
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Speaker 3: who is a dual threat and was incredible even while
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Speaker 3: battling pretty significant injuries last year.
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Speaker 4: And then this young guy behind him, who half of the.
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Speaker 3: Fan base is like, he's better, and a couple of
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Speaker 3: guys that we've had come on the show with NFL
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Speaker 3: credentials say his upside might be higher. Maybe he's not
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Speaker 3: as ready as Devin Dampier, But this Bert Fickland kid
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Speaker 3: is like, physically he's Devin dan Pierre, just a bigger
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Speaker 3: version with a better arm.
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Speaker 4: Maybe, So how do you use these guys? Because I'm
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Speaker 4: putting Guary temp Could in charge.
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Speaker 1: No, I mean, it's a great question, and I think
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Speaker 1: it's probably one of the more underappreciated stories nashally when
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Speaker 1: it comes to looking at Utah. And I mean, I
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Speaker 1: think it starts with the fact that last year he
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Speaker 1: was employed in a way that obviously you know, was
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Speaker 1: hugely helpful and showed you the potential of him. But
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Speaker 1: now he's going to be employed. I think it a
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Speaker 1: completely different way under in a completely different offense that's
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Speaker 1: similar to the back offense, but I mean will definitely
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Speaker 1: be different and have different ankles to it. I mean
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Speaker 1: it's a different guy, you know. I think, Look, I
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Speaker 1: wonder my first question is will there be a legitimate
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Speaker 1: competition in fall camp or is this just going to
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Speaker 1: be the damp Pier show. He's the guy with the experience,
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Speaker 1: he's the guy that you know started the games last
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Speaker 1: year and it's already his Or will there be Should
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Speaker 1: there be a legitimate competition between the two heading into
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Speaker 1: fall camp? And I would say yes, I mean absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Now you know, again you want to get more reps
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Speaker 1: for your guy in fall camp. That's going to be
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Speaker 1: a starter in a new offense. But I'm at the
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Speaker 1: point now where I think I saw enough from Fickland
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Speaker 1: where I'd like to see if he can he can
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Speaker 1: take the job. And you know, ultimately, i'd imagine damp
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Speaker 1: Pier to win the job and then it's like working
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Speaker 1: him in I think, in different spots and.
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Speaker 3: I have not I have not heard that sound on
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Speaker 3: a phone call in so many years. I didn't even
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Speaker 3: know that phones still made that sound when they dropped.
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Speaker 4: That was crazy.
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Speaker 3: That reminded me of like old you know, Corden phones
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Speaker 3: middle school.
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Speaker 4: Hello, Ari, sorry about the draft call. Continue with your answer.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I was talking and
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Speaker 1: suddenly I was gone. I don't know if I said
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Speaker 1: something that upsets somebody, but you know, and ultimately, look, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I would think if they had a legitimate competition in
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Speaker 1: fall camp, that Dan pierr WU to win the job.
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Speaker 1: And I think you're looking at, you know, utilizing mcgiven's motion,
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Speaker 1: heavy multiple formation attack, you know, with Sickland. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'd like to see him and somewhere between eight and
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Speaker 1: fifteen plays per game, and I think you put them
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Speaker 1: in different spots, you make them the majority of rusher.
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Speaker 1: But you know, let's say out of eight eight to ten,
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Speaker 1: eight to ten plays per game, if he has won
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Speaker 1: throwing attempt per game or one every other game, and
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Speaker 1: those eight to ten plays, now you had another wrinkle
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Speaker 1: of film that they've got to watch for and we
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Speaker 1: really get to see the potential of his arm. But look,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think in this situation, it's embarrassment of
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Speaker 1: riches and you know the fact that you're able to
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Speaker 1: keep him both of these guys quite frankly, and losing
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Speaker 1: both the head coach and offensive coordinators is a huge coup,
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Speaker 1: and you know, it shows that he's really committed to
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Speaker 1: this program moving forward. So it's you always have to protect,
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Speaker 1: I guess against guys that have all kinds of talent
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Speaker 1: that are leaving to the portal. And the fact that
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Speaker 1: he did leave after this season, I think says that
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Speaker 1: you know he's here for long haul. So I think
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Speaker 1: a big part of this this year is about developing
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Speaker 1: him behind Dan Pierce that he takes over next year
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Speaker 1: is the unequivocal starter. And then this year it's working
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Speaker 1: him in again between eight and maybe eight and fifteen
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Speaker 1: plays per game and the high end of fifteen. And
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Speaker 1: if he's out there for fifteen plays in a game,
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Speaker 1: you know, and he's attempting two passes, I think that's
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Speaker 1: huge because it's you know again, I mean, we see
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Speaker 1: his speed chips off the page at you. And when
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Speaker 1: you have that kind of a backfield already with Dan
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Speaker 1: Pierre being able to run the ball, and then you
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Speaker 1: bring Fickland back out there, it's too many weapons to
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Speaker 1: account for and far too many rush lands to have
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Speaker 1: to fill. So I think to going back circling to
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Speaker 1: the initial point. This is one of the more intro
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Speaker 1: rereading storylines that probably isn't getting the enough attention nationally.
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Speaker 1: When people talk about Utah, we'll talk about Utah. You
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Speaker 1: talking about Devin Dampier. And I don't think enough people
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Speaker 1: watched and saw what bur Ficklin did last year to
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Speaker 1: recognize that this guy's a big time playmaker and they
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Speaker 1: need to get the ball in his hands more.
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Speaker 3: Ten touchdowns in very limited reps. So he's a player,
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Speaker 3: all right. Last thing before I let you go, We
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Speaker 3: have spent the last several months talking mostly college hoops
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Speaker 3: when you join us on the show, and then the
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Speaker 3: college hoops transfer portal opened and half of the eligible
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Speaker 3: players decided that they were jumping into it. NCAA and
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Speaker 3: College Football Competition committees they made some rule changes to
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Speaker 3: try and slow this down a little bit. On the
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Speaker 3: football front, going from two portals to one. Now they've
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Speaker 3: introduced the ghost transfer penalties. Whether or not they're enforceable
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Speaker 3: to be determined. Is there something that can be done
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Speaker 3: about the system and the madness in college hoop?
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's insane when you think about the portal
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Speaker 1: window has never been shorter, and yet there's still more
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Speaker 1: people in the portal than ever before. I mean, the
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Speaker 1: portal window is stripped from like sixty days over a
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Speaker 1: couple of years ago to now what is fifteen days?
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Speaker 1: Fourteen days, So it's it's crazy that the number of
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Speaker 1: players year over year has dramatically increased despite less time
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Speaker 1: for the portal to be open, which goes to show
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Speaker 1: you that, like, it doesn't really matter how long the
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Speaker 1: portal is open. You know, guys are going to find it.
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Speaker 1: If they're going to find it. I think the problem
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Speaker 1: right now is a lot of these guys at the
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Speaker 1: portal are just using it to gauge what their market
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Speaker 1: value is. And you know, because they may have heard
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Speaker 1: through the grapevine about hey, you know there might be
17:46
Speaker 1: some money here if you come here or whatever. I mean,
17:47
Speaker 1: right like, people are in their DMS, or they've got
17:49
Speaker 1: in our mediaries reaching out, or it's tampering, but it's
17:52
Speaker 1: not really tampering because you've got like your three levels
17:55
Speaker 1: removed from it. And so you get a sense of
17:57
Speaker 1: like guys just want to They've heard a lot of noise,
18:00
Speaker 1: so they enter the portal in order to see if
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Speaker 1: there's any of that no way substantiated, and then they
18:03
Speaker 1: go back and say that they're you know, current school. Hey,
18:06
Speaker 1: this is what I'm getting. You know, are you able
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Speaker 1: to match that? You know? Look, I go back to
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Speaker 1: the only way to fix this is through some sort
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Speaker 1: of collective bargaining agreement, because it is you do have
18:15
Speaker 1: an egregious situation. I mean, Rob Wright is this perfect
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Speaker 1: example of it. You know, right was at Baylor. He
18:21
Speaker 1: agreed to a you know, a new deal if you will,
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Speaker 1: and then turned around and basically use that to shop
18:26
Speaker 1: himself to BYU. And I'm not sure of the particulars
18:29
Speaker 1: of what he signed with BYU, but can't imagine it
18:32
Speaker 1: was just a one year agreement. And now he's off
18:34
Speaker 1: in a free agent again. And so I think like,
18:37
Speaker 1: without the presence of some sort of collective bargaining agreement,
18:40
Speaker 1: it almost feels like none of these contracts are enforceable,
18:43
Speaker 1: and even if they are, you know, they're they're they're
18:46
Speaker 1: in some cases, guys are getting you know, guys are
18:48
Speaker 1: being sued by universities, but they're by the time these
18:51
Speaker 1: things get through the through the legal system, they're already
18:54
Speaker 1: long gone, and so it's pointless. So yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know, a collective bargaining agreement would not be good
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Speaker 1: for the players because they wouldn't be free agents every year.
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Speaker 1: They'd have to be you know, they would have to
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Speaker 1: ascribe to whatever the confines of the contract would be.
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Speaker 1: But it would at least give us some you know,
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Speaker 1: some semblance of normalcy in a situation to which everybody's
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Speaker 1: a free agent every year, regardless of how many years
19:20
Speaker 1: you've agreed to. I mean, there was talk even in
19:23
Speaker 1: football that Soresby signed a two year deal before last
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Speaker 1: year with Cincinnati and that Cincinnati was suing him because
19:28
Speaker 1: he agreed to a two year deal, they'd paid him
19:30
Speaker 1: for one year, and his agents are basically saying like, yeah,
19:32
Speaker 1: you paid him for the one year. That was it.
19:33
Speaker 1: Now we're off. So again, there's like absolutely no recourse
19:36
Speaker 1: for these schools unless they sue them, but even then
19:38
Speaker 1: again they're leaving, and by the time it goes to
19:40
Speaker 1: the legal system, they're already long gone and onto the
19:42
Speaker 1: NFL or somewhere else. So it is. It's clearly to
19:46
Speaker 1: me the biggest issue in all of this, and there's
19:48
Speaker 1: no Act of Congress or no executive order that's going
19:51
Speaker 1: to undo what needs to be done. Through some sort
19:54
Speaker 1: of a collective bargain agreement. It's the only fix to
19:56
Speaker 1: all these problems that exist right now with an NI
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Speaker 1: on the transit.
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Speaker 3: Portal, Ari, I always appreciate your time and your insight.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me again today.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate the opportunity O see great talking brother. Be
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Speaker 1: well and take care. We'll talk him soon.
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Speaker 3: That is Ari Temkin. We will talk again soon, but
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Speaker 3: it's not gonna be that soon. We're gonna give him
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Speaker 3: kind of the rest of the spring and summer off,
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Speaker 3: and then we'll talk with Ari down at Big twelve
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Speaker 3: Media Days and relaunch from there.