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Rock Apes of Vietnam with Combat Veteran Bob O'Kelley on Spaced Out Radio · The Cryptid Huntress

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okay, all right, y'all. Well, we have a fantastic show
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tonight. My friend Bob O'Kelly is here in the studio with me tonight.
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Don't forget that right after this show, after Hours has a fantastic program set
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up for you guys, so be sure to check them out right after our
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show is over tonight. All right. So it is not entirely uncommon or
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out of this out of the question for soldiers who are returning from war to
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come home talking about seeing monsters, Okay, And I'm not talking about other
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people that are monsters. We're talking about cryptids, okay, and creatures of
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the night. But there's one sighting that is pretty popular and we've heard a
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good bit about, and that would be in Vietnam. During the Vietnam War.
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Some of the soldiers came home talking about in countering what they called rock
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apes, okay, the rock apes of Vietnam. It's one of the most
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interesting cryptid in my opinion. And my guest tonight had a run in with
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at least one rock ape while he was in Vietnam. His name is Bob
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Kelly, Bobo Kelly, and Bobo Kelly is a family friend, and my
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family's known him for quite a while, okay, and so tonight, Babo
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Kelly is here. He grew up in Atlanta. He graduated from the University
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of West Georgia in nineteen seventy and was immediately drafted into combat in Vietnam.
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Most of his early adult life was spent in Atlanta selling building materials. Later
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in life, he owned a residential construction company. In his late fifties,
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he was employed by the military contractor KBR as a truck driver Iraq during the
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recent war. There. It was there he wrote his first book, The
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Original Baby Boomer in a second, Bad Roads for Good Men. The Original
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Baby Boomer is a novel about his experiences in Vietnam. Bad Roads for Good
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Men is a novel about his experiences driving a truck during the Iraq War.
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Oh man, that's dangerous. On return to the States, he retired to
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Carrolton, Georgia, where he now lives. Since retiring, he has written
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four more novels, all under the pseudonym Roland O'Connor. All his books are
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available on Amazon, so you guys please go check those out. We'll talk
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about his books at the end of the show, but please help me.
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Welcome to Space Out Radio for the first time ever, my friend Bob O'Kelly.
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Hey Bob, let's see maybe did he not come up? There we
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go, Hey Bob, there we go. I got you surprise. How
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you doing tonight. I'm doing very well. Good it is. It's it's
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kind of late, I know, but I think I got you prepped for
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it. I gave you fear warning. We're gonna be a late night,
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you know. Yeah, absolutely, man, You're You're just a joy to
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have on. I know you. You came on my channel, the Crypton
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Huntress, and we talked about some of your encounters over there. But I
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think that this deserves a bigger audience. You have such a fantastic story,
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and uh and I can't wait for you to share it with my audience here.
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It's based out radio Tonight and you have written you've even written a brand
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new book. It hasn't been published yet completely, but but you have some
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fascinating stories and everything that you're interested in is kind of stuff that I'm interested
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into. Okay, absolutely, Not only do I have a Rock April Bigfoot
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type creature story, I'm interested in remote viewing, and I've written a novel
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that includes some of that. Is a novel and a kind of conspiracy theory.
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My first two books were more or less autobiographical, and then I and
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the only thing that holds out in common, all thread that runs through all
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of them is conspiracy one way or the other, you know, confascination one
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is kind of a local conspiracy. And then who wrote Shakespeare? And remote
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viewing and things like that. So well, Okay, Bob, I could
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not believe it. When I first met you. We were hanging out at
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a local a local watering hole, with my with my family was there.
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It was somebody's birthday, and I met you there and we were just we
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Yeah, we happen to be sitting beside each other, and one of us
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brought up remote viewing. It was odd because I don't I don't ever meet
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anybody that remote views, just having public Well, yeah, I first heard
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about it on the Art Bell Show. And I drove a truck at one
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point in my life and my I would schedule everything around the Art Bell Show.
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I would drive in the middle of the night so I could listen to
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it. And my favorite thing was the remote viewing. And then he had
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a lot about that too, and all all the big names and remote viewing
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were on this show. I would assume some of them had passed away by
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left, and so you know, I was interested in that. And then
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one day I was feeling in my computer and I came across online remote viewing
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the course and I took it, and you know, then you know,
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you've you've got just the thing. It's called sight monkey or something. They
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give some website and they give you a number and you remote view it and
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then you click it again and it gives you the picture of what you were
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remote viewing. And I was blown away by how successful I was, you
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know, And and so I wrote a novel that included that. And it's
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in this novel these students come to believe that Edward de Vere wrote Shakespeare.
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And they used one of them a historian and one of them an English major
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actress. And they use remote viewing to go back in history to see if
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they could find something to prove it. And I don't know why his stories
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don't do this. Maybe they do. If I was a historian, I
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would do it. And I may not tell everybody, but I would do
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it and see what I could find out, you know. Oh yeah,
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yeah, you don't want everybody to know you're a remote viewer. And that's
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something that I learned the hard way. Well, academic circles, they just
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so you know, exactly, Well, even in the big in community.
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Uh you know, it was harder for me to come out publicly as a
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remote viewer than it was a bigfoot researcher. Oh yeah, oh yeah,
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because I was too woo for some of those people evidence. You know,
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you're not going to be one hundred percent, but you can get a good
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percentage of it, That's right. It just works and they know it works.
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And when the CI said they quit doing it, I do not believe
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them. You're into conspiracy theories, so of course you don't. I don't
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either. I believe they still do it absolutely, and I know that I
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do it. I'm a I'm a pretty pretty well accomplished remote viewer at this
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point because I do it all the time. I don't do it all the
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time, but I was able to do it. And the pictures that are
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in the book. The book is called Edward to Vere a Remote Viewing Society,
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and the pictures that are in the book are not the same pictures,
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but they're representations as close as I could draw him again of what I you
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know, what I viewed, what I drew, and then the picture next
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to it, what it was, you know, one of them. I
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drew the lines and I wanted it didn't mean anything. And then when I
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looked at the picture, it was the Golden gate Bridge, and I had
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all the supports and things in the right place. I was very I was
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shown you were on target. You were on targeting that and that's people don't
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understand how how psychic they really are. And you people don't understand. I
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try. I try to encourage people to tap into their psychic abilities. That's
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one of my missions. Yeah, has to do that. Can't chase or
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thank you for that super sticker. I appreciate that. We'd appreciate you at
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space, not radio. Yeah, and so Bob, okay, what how
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okay? How did you get so enlightened? Okay? Did it have anything
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to do with your experiences that you had back when you were in Vietnam?
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And now I really want to I really want to talk to you about your
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experience in Vietnam, And so, first of all, thank you for your
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service to our country and and also please tell my audience your story with that
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and from getting drafted right out of college to go fight in Vietnam to even
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that that evening where you had to fire upon something that was coming at you
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and it turned out to potentially be a rockey. Well yeah, as soon
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as you know, I lived in Carrollton, Georgia, and I went to
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college in Carrollton, Georgia. And it's just more or less a coincidence that
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I'm back here. I retired here partly because it's just so much cheaper than
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in Atlanta, you know, and I love this town. I have a
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good time. But when I left West Georgia, I was graduated in a
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December, and I was in the army by February. And and six or
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eight months later I was in Vietnam and I was new and you know,
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I was in the infantry. I've got the full nine yards. You know.
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It wasn't lucky about what I drew as a as a job. And
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uh so you know, I'm on my early mission. I can't remember my
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first, but it was first or second. And I was really green.
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And we're out in the jungle and it's night and we were circled like like
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circle the wagons. We're in a perimeter sleeping. Somebody's up, but uh
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most of the guys are asleep, and and it was my turn to be
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up. And I'm just sitting there with my rifle, just listening, and
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I hear something walking and walking is key here. Uh and and you know
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I can't really see. And I wake up a more experienced guy and and
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I said, he said, he said, I said, what is that?
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And he says, it's walking. I said, I know it's walking,
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and he says, headed this way, and he said, shoot that
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I won't say what And I fired my weapon into the dark, and this
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creature jumps kind of over me and into the perimeter. Then the captain of
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the we with a company commander, and he had set up a jungle hammock
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they call it. It's a hammock, you know, with a cover over
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it, and all that. The creature flipped him over and dumped him on
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the ground and ran out the other side. Okay, when I this is
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one thing that makes me credible, it's because I didn't know what I'd seen.
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I went fifty years without knowing what I'd seen. I knew there were
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rockets. I heard the Marines talk about them. And then I'm watching watch
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a lot of YouTube, and I don't know what it is about men my
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age, but we're fascinated with World War Two. And I watched a guy
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all the time named Mark Felt, and he's a well known historian YouTuber,
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and he not only did he did mostly World War Two, but he did
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some things about Vietnam. And he did one about rock apes, and I
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just clicked on it. I was going, yeah, I remember that rock
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ape, you know. And I did not know for fifty years that there
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are no apes that walk in Vietnam. Everything that's like that it swings in
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trees, right, And so I had heard about the rock apes from the
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Marines, and in this documentary that the North Vietnamese soldier song the Viet Kong
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song. And we're not talking two or three people here. We're talking a
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bunch of people. And it's not like one guy's in the woods and cass
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He's are seen by multiple people at the same time. The Vietcong saw the
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Aussie saw him. We saw him, both Marines and the Army. But
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when I saw one, I was like, Okay, a gorilla ran across
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the camp. I didn't know. I didn't know there were no apes that
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walked in Vietnam until I watched this video and I went, oh my god,
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that was a rock ape, you know. And I had no idea
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what i'd seen. So, you know, I don't think I don't remember
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for sure, but the term bigfoot and all it came out. You can
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know better than me. People begin to look for that in the early set.
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I mean, I know it's been there forever, but became popular to
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look for what in the early seventies, late sixties, I think is when
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Patty was what may have heard the term big foot, but it wasn't in
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my consciousness, you know. Yeah. It was not popular though. And
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the first book I wrote was very auto bio. It's a novel, but
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it's auto uh biographical, and uh, I what was I going here?
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I just oh, the novel, it's very autobiographical, and I mentioned this
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incident in it, but I just kind of blew over it because it wasn't
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that significant, you know. I treated as it was as though it was
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funny, because it was, you know, I'm flipping the captain out and
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all that. But I didn't go, oh my god, I saw a
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RockA it's if you read the book, the original Baby Boomer, and it's
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not. It's under the name Roland O'Connor, which is my pen name,
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and uh it's it's in there, but it's not in there as oh my
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god, I saw a bigfoot, you know. It's it's just just mentioned.
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But I have no idea what i'd say until the leader to the Mark
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Felton thing. That's fifty years He is a well known historian. Now he
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doesn't come out and say it's true, but he presents so much evidence that
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it is true that it is kind of kind of hard to deny it,
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you know. And so if they're there were rock apes in Vietnam, and
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I guarantee you there are, why not elsewhere, you know? And and
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I was on the phone with my brother and I and he asked the question,
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well, why don't they ever find the bodies? And I just said,
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well, my brother's named David, I said, well, David.
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Mark felt and addressed that in this thing in the jungle, nothing lasts very
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long. You know, when something's dead, it's not gonna it's gonna be
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gone in two or three days. With everything from I don't know if they
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have buzzer untill over there or not, but there's plenty of things that are
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going to eat the carcass quick and h and uh. So this is not
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much much hope of ever finding one. Another thing Mark felt to mention was
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tigers. And the day, the week before I went out on my first
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mission, all the guys that you know, when my platoon, were waiting
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on pictures to come back because they had killed a tiger. And I saw
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the pictures of the tiger, and Mark felt and mentioned that in this area
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there were tigers, and he had them out and it was exactly where I
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was exactly when we'd killed a tiger, except I wasn't there that day,
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and and the big and the bigfoot, and that's exactly what was going on
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there when when I was there too, you know. And wow, that's
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terrifying. I mean, I mean, there's so many things that that were
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terrifying for you, not only just being a young man being sent over there,
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drafted into the military, went straight into combat and uh, and you're
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worried about the enemy potentially killing you, but you have to worry about tigers
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and all the creatures in the jungles. And I wasn't worried about tigers.
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I really wasn't. You weren't, Okay, just they were the least of
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my worries, you know. Yeah, I get I do understand that that
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some g guys were attacked by tigers, and yeah, I'm not I wouldn't.
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Don't put that, but I'm pretty sure that Oh yeah, well I
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have. I have actually for the audience, I figured maybe i'd read a
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little a couple of excerpts from some of the research that I've done on the
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Rockies, so we can kind of give a description of what the Rockies look
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like. And I have some pictures to show like some drawings of some sketches
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of what they could potentially have looked like. And I know that from what
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you've described to me in the past, some of these sketches look pretty on
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point. I think. Here's here's one drawing that someone had did. So.
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The rocket is the name given to creatures spotted by multiple American soldiers during
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the war. Of course, before the Vietnam War, stories were going around
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about the jungle people. Now, the jungle people were bipedal and ape like,
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standing about six feet tall, very stout, very muscular. They had
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protruding stomachs, okay, and they recovered in hair that was either brown or
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black, with the exception of their knees, their feet, their hands,
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their faces, those were all hairless. They tended to live in more isolated
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remote areas of the jungle, keeping to themselves, and if a human happened
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to come in contact with them, they would become very aggressive and would attack
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them immediately. They were most active at dusk or during the night, and
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if they traveled, they traveled in packs, okay, And so that's that's
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kind of somebody looked like a human kind of, but also like a monkey
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or an ape that's more detail than I could see and what I saw,
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but you know that that picture would cover it. Yeah. Wow, Well
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there there's there's several different pictures of these rock apes that's a little more like
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what I I think I saw. I noticed it has hair on its chest
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and the other one didn't you know, I couldn't tell you. Well,
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it was dark, it was dark, and uh did anything. Didn't lab
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a rock at you or anything, because they saved these things re rocks.
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I didn't do that, but they were favorite. That's how they got their
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name when the Marines first encounter. The Marines were the first encounter and then
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they threw rocks at it, and that's how they got their name. Yeah.
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Well I do I have a quick story that I we can talk about
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as well, because you said the Marines encounter them too, But I actually
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have an account from the hundred and first Airborne Division. Where are they okay?
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Well, they were saying that the okay. So this is out of
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a book published by Craig PJ. Jorgensen called a very crazy, gi strange
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but true Stories out of the Vietnam War. He said this particular unit was
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taken a rest when in the trees about fifteen yards uphill from them suddenly began
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to The trees began shaking violently. Given their environment, the soldiers assumed the
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shaking was caused by the enemy and they needed to immediately prepare to be under
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attack. However, as they watched the trees, they saw what looked like
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an oblong something that had an oblong head and a face covered in reddish hair,
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possessing a huge mouth and dark, deep set eyes had emerged from the
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brush. When it fully emerged, the soldiers were able to get a better
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look. They saw it was about five feet tall, very muscular, covered
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in mannish matted reddish hair. It stood on two legs and examined the soldiers.
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Just as they examined it, the soldiers argued over whether or not the
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creature might be an orangeutine, and then it retreated back into the jungle.
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The captain said, do not fire on the creatures. Instead, they should
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throw They should throw rocks at it, is what he told them, but
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that backfired because the creatures began throwing the rocks back at them. At that
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point, the marines guessed there were hundreds of these creatures, too far overwhelming
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an amount to stick with their current plan. So they were told to use
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their bayonets to fight like hand, face to face combat, hand to hand
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combat. But and it sounded like an epic battle was going on. Apparently
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the Marines killed a bunch of these things and and left their bodies dead out
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in the field. And they literally says they their bodies littered the battlefield.
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So they they this happened according to some eyewitness accounts. Well, that's more
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detailed than anything I heard when I was over there. But I did hear
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more or less the same story, you know, you did. I think
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to some of these I think the creature that I saw was more like five
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feet tall than six feet tall, maybe somewhere in the middle. But uh
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yeah, uh so he said it was five feet tall, you know,
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maybe a little taller than Okay, So this actually got a name. It
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was called the Battle of dong Din, Okay, that was they called it
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that. Yeah, that's what that was in this book. So it went
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down in history. Uh so, Yeah. I mean it makes you wonder
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because there's so many different types of sasquatch what I consider to be sasquatch all
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over Asia. Okay, we have like in Nepal, we have the Yeties,
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we have the yurine in China. You know, there's all sorts of
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different names for them, but they all are very similar. Where's that in
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That's right whatever? Yeah, the jetty, Yeah, that would be in
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the pal I guess all over the world. I mean, I'm a big
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foot field researcher. I've seen big foots. Okay, we have them all
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over the country here in the United States, up in Canada, even down
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in South America, Central America. They're everywhere. I wouldn't be surprised at
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all, especially in South America some of that jungle is So that's another thing
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I kind of learned from the Mark Fountain thing. I did not realize that
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the jungle we were in, it rarely had any human beings ever been there.
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You know, I just you know, I just assume somebody was there
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sometime, but no, so there was plenty of room for them to exist
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and not be known. And I also believe in Indonesia they did just recently
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capture a that fit the descript and you know, they hadn't known was there
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before, So you know, it happens. I mean, they're coming up
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with new discoveries all the time. Now, in my opinion, I think
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that our governments, our militaries have had full knowledge of all of these creatures
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of the Sasquatch types for a while now. Were so you guys were absolutely
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not debriefed on any of these no ape creatures. No, no, they
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ask us about it at all. That I'm that I recall, Well that's
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interesting. Well that's that's really cool that you that you encountered out of it.
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It was terrifying. Now how long how long were you stationed in Vietnam?
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How long did you stay? I was, I wasn't there quite a
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year. I got an injury to my eye. It was it wasn't really
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a combat one. I didn't get a purple heart or anything. But they
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sent me home because I was going to lose my left eye. It's just
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that simple. But I didn't. Oh my gosh. Yeah, wow,
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well that's it. What's an actually good thing that you didn't have to see
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over there more than a year. That's a long time I mean to be
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in combat. Yeah. Yeah, it changed me. It's just but you
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know a lot of people, it actually changed. It just changed it made
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it didn't break me, and uh, it made me better. Actually,
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you know, the self discipline that I have, and I can trace all
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that back to the military and stuff, and I do have good self destined
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So it made me more aware of how things really are, you know,
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and and how nice and how well we have it here, oh yeah,
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compared to uh, lots of places. But I tell you another thing was
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you. I would encounter the North, the Vietnamese, and I had I
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liked them, to be honest with you, and some of them were living
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these simple lives and grass huts, and to me it looked like that's the
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way you ought to live, you know, not like we do with all
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this stress and pressure and everything. And you know, they didn't seem unhappy
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to me. If you know, here we would call it poor, but
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they didn't. I don't think they thought of themselves as poor, you know.
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Oh no, wow. Yeah, it's it's what life is, what
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you make of it, really. And some of the richest people don't have
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a whole lot of money. That's richest people are miserable, and the richest
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people with money are the miserable ones. Probably, yeah, they got more
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bills, yeah, yeah, yeah. One wealthy man told me, he
29:48
said, you know, it's exactly the same thing as when you don't have
29:52
money, as when you do, you just add more zeros to the bills
29:56
you can't pay, you know. I mean that's right, stay on the
30:02
uh you know, on the on the verge all the time. You're not
30:11
ready to He's just not happy, you know. Yeah. Oh yeah,
30:18
uh well yeah it was Long Island Bigfoot. He's in the chat today,
30:22
that's my friend Mike. Uh. He did at least one tour in Afghanistan
30:27
and uh maybe maybe more. I don't remember how many, but but he
30:33
had he he went through it and uh and it is he's talking about one
30:37
year that turns into many years of reclamation to society. And uh yeah,
30:41
it's it's got to be super tough. If if I was having trouble,
30:45
I didn't know it, you know what I mean. Yeah, true,
30:48
I got divorced and I'm not too good at being married now. A lot
30:55
of people aren't. Okay, that's pretty common. Career was sketchy, to
31:03
say the least. I've done everything from being a stockbroker to drive a truck,
31:10
you know. And it's not just any truck. You were driving trucks
31:14
in Iraq. I mean, like you went back recently, like I hadn't
31:17
been that long ago. What made you want to do that? That's dangerous
31:22
body. I don't know board him. I guess, oh, California.
31:29
Filling up my truck, and I heard two guys talking and one of them
31:33
said, oh, so and so just got back from Iraq. He drove
31:37
a truck over there and made all this money and everything. And I said,
31:41
and I just listened. I didn't say anything to him. And then
31:45
when I called home that night, I was married then, and I said
31:48
to my wife, expecting to hear her say, oh, hell no,
31:53
I said, you know, I to take a job in Iraq. I
31:56
can drive a truck, and I'm a combat veteran. And she just had
32:06
two friends. She worked for the people that manage Lake Altuna, I know,
32:10
you know where that is? Lake a damn and all that, and
32:17
she worked for a government contractor that ran that thing. And two of her
32:22
friends had gone over there and they had just gotten back that day, and
32:25
they were telling her how much money she made and how you know, And
32:29
she said, maybe that isn't a bad idea. So when I got home,
32:34
I went online at KBR and put in an application. Three hours later
32:39
they called me and tentatives to background check. They hired me. So on
32:47
January first of two thousand and six, I got on an airplane and went
32:52
was trained and uh went over there and did that. And it was between
33:07
the time I took the job and went over there, things kind of went
33:10
downhill. And it was a little rougher than I thought it was gonna be,
33:15
I'll be honest about that. But you know, I just like,
33:22
I liked working around the other men. I like the camaraderie. I liked
33:27
the cooperation, getting things done and all that kind of stuff. And I
33:32
was well suited for that type of life. Had I known about being an
33:37
expat out of the country working for the wallfields or whatever when I was younger,
33:43
I would have been well suited to do that, you know. But
33:45
I didn't know until I was older. I was fifty nine years old when
33:50
I went over there, so, but they don't know what the ally jags
33:53
that went all that. I was a little old, but the guys that
33:58
were working there were not young, were mostly pretty old. Oh yeah,
34:04
well, okay, so you're you're when you would drive a truck. You
34:07
said earlier tonight that you would listen to art Bill and heart Bill is one
34:10
of my favorites. And you love the remote viewing shows. I love the
34:14
Time Traveler shows and Males whole of course, and I do base my shows
34:17
for my remote viewing. My friend Barry gives me blind remote viewing targets that
34:23
correlate a lot of to a lot of the art Bill shows. Uh and
34:29
including bugs the man who claimed to have shot two sasquatch and buried the Mountain
34:34
Texas. And so I have a really soft place in my heart there for
34:37
Art Bill his shows. Now you yeah, and do you know sometimes you
34:46
can even pull them up on YouTube and listen to the old art Bell shows.
34:53
And like I said, I'll schedule my day. I would drive the
35:00
truck, go part go, get loaded somewhere and then you know that would
35:06
usually be in the afternoon, drive a few hours and then go to the
35:08
truck stop and sleep to sleep. And I would get there early where I
35:13
could get a parking place without having to be the super truck driver backing in
35:17
between two trucks and the dark that are you know, with six inches on
35:22
each side and uh, and then I would just get up and and listen
35:29
to heart bell all night and just drive all night. And that's and then
35:31
when the sun came up, the guys in the rest areas would leave and
35:37
I'd pull in one of those holes and take another nap and then keep on
35:40
going, you know. And and I just really enjoyed that show. And
35:49
it was really he was really good. When I when I hear that theme
35:52
music, I just get all excited, you know. I know, I
35:55
think a lot of us do we all do, because I think that really
35:59
it was really great if you couldn't sleep at night and he turned to radio
36:02
on the alarm clock radio by my bed. I'd listened to it when I
36:06
was in college, and uh and listen to art Ville at night, late
36:08
at night, and people driving late at night. It did help us all
36:12
stay up late. Oh, nothing like it. Okay, I have to
36:15
I have to ask you this question too. Say you were in Iraq.
36:19
The Middle East holds a lot of paranormal and supernatural stuff, okay, including
36:25
something that I'm very familiar with, the Giant of Kandahar. That was an
36:29
Afghanistan, not Iraq. But did you have any kind of experiences when you
36:32
were in the Middle East working as a truck driver that were supernatural. It's
36:43
kind of hard to say, and I say, that's like this one night,
36:49
Well, it could be that this is not supernatural, but thanks kept
36:53
blowing up in front of us, and it was like, uh, maybe
37:00
it was a satellite, maybe somebody was I don't know what, but every
37:04
seemed like everywhere we'd go there'd be an ied and there was and they blow
37:07
up before we'd get there, and uh, it was just kind of strange.
37:12
And uh but you know, I thought, well, maybe that you
37:15
know, maybe there's satellites and they're looking. I don't know, but you
37:17
know, it was just just one of those nights when it was like,
37:23
I don't know, it was very strange. And it's where I was though,
37:29
and I'm fascinated by this since i've been there. I wish I had
37:32
known more when I was there, but I was right where the Assyrian Empire
37:37
was, you know, and all of that, and we could see the
37:40
runs and stuff like that, and you know that gets into the the A
37:47
knock and all that, and you know there's there's a what is the guy's
37:53
name, Paul Wallace? Have you ever heard of him name? I've heard
38:00
that name before. He's a he's a preacher. He's an Anglican preacher,
38:06
and he has, you know, decided that that a lot of the a
38:14
lot of the allegends we take is not true or true. And there's a
38:16
lot of people that feel that way, I know. Yeah, yeah,
38:21
And I raised both hands too. Yeah. I believe that's you. You
38:24
know, you know, the Bible calls God yahweh as far as he's concerned,
38:29
that is a space ali and he makes a strong case too, you
38:32
know. And then then you got the stories of the Annochy and all that
38:37
and all that was in that area, and it is, I don't know,
38:45
it's a that's a different feel about it. It's a different vibe.
38:51
And I've gotten sensitive to vibrations in my old age, and it's just a
38:54
whole different vibe over there. Okay, well, how how how did all
39:01
the things that you've experienced when you're you know, prior, prior things you've
39:06
done in your life? You are such a spiritually evolved human now, and
39:09
I know that just from I mean, you go to yoga every day and
39:13
stuff. I mean, you are so active with Daddy. You're just very
39:16
enlightened. But you can but you can move like a what a thirty year
39:22
old. I mean, what kind of flexibility you got with the coffee shop
39:25
the other day, which I go there every day too. One of the
39:29
guys, another guy that I could move like a thirty year old woman.
39:34
That's a woman, like a thirty year old woman. Dang, that's pretty
39:37
good. That's pretty good. So so that but that's awesome. But I
39:42
mean, you, you've experienced so much in your life, and you've been
39:45
through so much from the high I gotta think you you've Vietnam War, I
39:51
mean, to be a combat veteran. Uh, you you've seen, You've
39:53
seen it all. You've seen a lot, and uh, and it is
39:57
it has made you a very wise man. Okay, I do you think
40:00
that? And no one, you didn't know anything about those rock apes when
40:04
that was happening to you. That's why my story is credible, because I
40:08
didn't even know what I've seen myself, you know. And yeah, and
40:15
I am it's kind of bragging, I suppose, but I'm pretty much awake.
40:22
And I don't mean woke, I mean awake. And and uh,
40:31
that's what my latest book is about, kind of a great awakening on Earth.
40:36
It's this book is ready I've got some personal things I need to do
40:40
before I publish it, and uh so I want to get those. It'd
40:46
be nice if it was already available, but it's not because I got to
40:52
take care of some things and I want to do a little better job of
40:54
the marketing. I don't care who your publisher is. If you well,
41:00
unless you're one of the really big ones, you're gonna do your own marketing,
41:05
uh yourself, even if you're with Rand McNally or whatever. That's no,
41:12
no, that's that's the map company in that's the textbooks. Yeah,
41:16
I remember them for school in a while. No matter who you're with,
41:21
you're gonna do uh your own marketing, unless you're one of the really big
41:25
guys you know, uh name big Foot, I mean Harry Potter, Harry
41:35
Potter, you know. Yeah, Well that's I'm to help you bringing on
41:42
shows and stuff. So we're gonna get your books out there. Bomb so
41:45
people, uh people. Yeah, I think that you have so much knowledge
41:51
and your books are great. I mean I've read your Edward to Veer,
41:53
the Remote Viewing book that the Remote Viewing Society, that that's a great book,
41:59
and you just sent me over your new your new book. Publish it.
42:02
It's a good it is a good book, but it's so many people
42:07
don't even know what it has a very kind of restricted market, you know.
42:13
You know, I know the people listen to this, no, but
42:16
the general public, you know, they just go, what's remote viewing?
42:20
You know? And well, well it's getting out there more though, now,
42:22
Bob. And when I first started talking about remote viewing, I got
42:27
laughed at and people rolled their eyes at me, and they're like people,
42:30
So I hate to put it this way. Well, I don't hate to
42:35
put it this way. It's just the truth. People are very materialistic and
42:38
if if it's not matter, it doesn't exist. And that's just not true,
42:44
you know. And right, so well, but our but the CIA
42:52
utilize the remote viewing, okay, and I believe they probably still do.
42:55
I mean our government, I don't believe me. I think small common I
43:00
think police departments are doing it more and more. I mean I I've actually
43:05
remote viewed some things for potentially for police departments, okay, and uh,
43:08
and it's it's stuff that my team is done, and it's missing persons cases,
43:14
cold cases. That's what we're realized for absolutely, And and they they
43:19
take our they take our data, and uh, and some of my team
43:22
we've actually I mean, I have located people before, and they're all deceased,
43:27
every one of them that I found so far, except for some of
43:30
the people that I know that we're kind of missing. Uh they had just
43:32
gone out for a walk and didn't call their wife back or something, do
43:35
you know what I mean? So yeah, but yeah, I get emergency
43:38
calls sometimes where people are like, you gotta help me locate somebody, you
43:43
know. But but yeah, locating the place where the body is exactly what
43:49
happened to them, I'm able to do a deep mind probe on them to
43:52
find out who hurt them, where they located, what happened. And I
43:57
get information, okay, and it's it's legitimate stuff, and uh, And
44:01
I may not get results that day to find out like, well, was
44:05
I right or was I wrong? Or what was even my target because they
44:07
are blind targets. But hey, a month down the road, I find
44:10
out that I was the body was located, and I was one hundred percent
44:15
correct with most of my data, so that would be like ninety nine.
44:20
I could do it, But I think you're bit much better at it than
44:22
I am, you know, oh, well, thank you. I don't
44:25
know, I don't know. I mean, everybody's good at it. I've
44:28
just done more of it than a lot of people than you have. It's
44:31
a it's a skill kind of listening to yourself and it is and trusting yourself,
44:39
distinguishing uh, feelings and energies. You know. Yeah, it's it's
44:53
important. That's why I like to I have a show where I do remote
44:57
viewing targets on Thursday nights on my channel and uh and I think it's so
45:00
It's just it's such a joy that to get to share like remote viewing with
45:05
people and to encourage other people to tap into their there are psychic abilities mom,
45:10
And uh and I think that you you encourage people to do the same.
45:13
So I think that's awesome. Let me tell you what happened when I
45:16
was writing this book. I created a character. Okay, uh you know
45:22
every universities in Atlanta, my daughter went to school in a great school,
45:28
and uh uh, I credited character a male character who's a history major and
45:38
a female character who is a theater and English major. And you know,
45:45
they they're going to chase down who wrote Shakespeare? And I created another character,
45:51
a male who was a math professor at Emory and he and I didn't
45:57
want to accuse Emory of you know, I didn't want to get sued,
46:00
so I wasn't going to say Emory is involved in what remote viewing caps remote
46:07
viewing business. And I met somebody, well, you know here at West
46:14
Georgia and Carrollton to college, same college I went to has a paranormal department
46:17
and that's their psychology. And I met the head of that and I was
46:27
telling her this and she said, well, you must be talking about Corey
46:30
Brown. And I went, what do you mean. She says, well,
46:32
Corey Brown is a math professor at every and he has an all campus
46:38
remote viewing business. And I went, your kid, And so in the
46:44
book, I thought, I either got a call Corey Brown and get permission
46:47
because this is too close and and so I just changed it to a female
46:52
character and went on, you know, they were called. But I was
46:59
blown away the fact that, you know, there had to be a little
47:02
psychic going on there for me to come up with that out of the clear
47:07
blue and it be true, you know, And I was, yes,
47:13
I think you're referring to Courtney Brown. That's what the far sight is.
47:15
He's a Corey. But it was close enough. I hadn't. I had
47:17
to look at up Courtney. I just looked it up. Yeah. He
47:24
has a really popular YouTube channel and they do remote viewing. They do remote
47:29
viewing targets live on air and stuff. And that's a little different than the
47:32
way I do it. In my team. We do it. We we
47:35
actually do these targets. We do it in private, you know. And
47:38
my team is completely private. They don't do this publicly whatsoever. And uh,
47:43
and I but I don't. I don't do my targets live on air.
47:45
I'm not trained to do it that way like Courtney Brown does it.
47:49
Yeah. I haven't seen him in a while, but he has a team
47:55
of remote viewers. Yeah, good ones. Structure of the pyramids too.
48:00
Have you ever done that? I did that one. Actually, that was
48:04
a blind target. I just did that about it this past month. And
48:07
uh, and let me tell you. I'll just give you a teaser.
48:09
Okay, it was giants and ets ets with in conjunction. I mean it
48:17
was it was a group effort, Okay, a bunch of ets, so
48:22
I think so yeah, I mean, I you can go watch my show
48:24
I had a it was a blind target with a lot of cool data.
48:29
A blind target. It was a blind target. Absolutely, that's really good.
48:34
Yeah, oh that's the best way to do it, because if it's
48:37
not blind, it's not really remote view and then it's just being the s
48:43
right. Well, well, yeah, you can. You can get a
48:45
front you can get a front load of target every now and then those are
48:46
it's okay when you've been doing a long time. But technically, like CRV
48:52
Cordant remote viewing, they need to be blind. Yeah, there's different modes
48:55
of it. So yeah, yeah, I'm so tickled that you know about
48:59
this. Blind makes more skill than doing it because oh yeah, I love
49:05
blind targets and that's like my favorite thing. Well, if you know what
49:07
it is, you have to fight your imagination. You know, your your
49:13
imagination is battling with your intuition if you see what I'm getting at, and
49:19
if you don't know, you can just go slap playing on your intuition,
49:22
you know. And and yeah, I mean even when you don't know what
49:29
the target is, you still have to your brain is still makes to what
49:32
you're seeing. So that's a that's an issue too. But there's a there's
49:37
a box to put all that information in. So yeah, it's I can't
49:39
give a remote view aforce right now, but yeah, it's it's all the
49:44
same. You get into, oh my gosh, have a bug of discernment
49:49
about just just vibrations and and energy flows things that you just kind of as
49:59
you get older, you learn to feel, you know, you just do
50:02
you think that potentially, you know, when you were in Vietnam, and
50:07
this was back when you were a young man, you really had to become
50:10
one with nature, right, I would assume like you really had to trust
50:14
your intuition and your gut. And I think that that that's a lot of
50:19
what I'm experiencing today is trusting intuition and going with my gut. But it
50:22
was like on a heightened level. I have to imagine back then when you
50:23
were in Vietnam and rockets, you know, coming at you and all that
50:28
kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, And the some of the original remote
50:32
viewers were kind of discovered in Vietnam because they had uncandid abilities to know where
50:39
the enemy was and all that, and they were put into the government program
50:45
because they appeared to have psychic abilities and so wow, yeah, well I
50:58
think it's name Monacle. What's his first name? Uh huh. He was
51:07
one of those. He was a Vietnam guy and he's like supposedly the world's
51:14
best. I think he was. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, there's
51:16
there's there's a lot of really amazing, highly skilled remote viewers out there,
51:22
and a lot of them are you know, and from like Vietnam era,
51:28
you know, like you're you're eight, you know what I mean, and
51:30
uh yeah, a little older than me. Yeah, absolutely, so this
51:37
is they've been they've been doing this for a long time. I mean they
51:40
started doing from what I've been told, they started doing reteviewing and implementing it
51:45
during the Cold War. Okay, but it might have been even before that,
51:49
but that's what I've been told. Well, they were afraid the Russians
51:51
were doing it, so they say, well we got to do it too,
51:53
and they got INGOs Swan, who he was like the guy that it
51:59
was a psychic and he designed the program. And yes, yes, yeah,
52:06
Engo Swan that that's actually the methods. We use his methods in our
52:10
remote viewing when I was trained in it, uh, the Ngo Swan method.
52:14
So yeah, very yeah, very very interesting stuff, very interesting.
52:19
But you're you're an interesting man. The head of my team trained me,
52:22
he had some Yeah that's a whole other story. We won't go there,
52:27
not right now. But yeah, the head of the head of my big
52:29
foot team taught me. Oh yeah, yeah, he trained me for a
52:31
long time, our whole team. Yeah so yeah, but uh but yeah,
52:38
long Island, Bo, that's a great comment. Remote viewing is the
52:42
future and you're just doing it now. That's right. I'm doing it right
52:45
now. I'm on it, dog on it, and and we're putting it
52:47
out there because I think it is the future. It's the past, the
52:49
future in the present. Yeah, in my opinion. Yeah, yeah,
52:55
well what okay, so Bob, tell what you have planned for your future?
53:01
What are what? Tell us about your books, because we've got a
53:05
few minutes and this will take a while. Tell my audience about your books
53:07
and uh and also where they can find them. Well, they can find
53:10
them all on Amazon. But it's not under Bob O'Kelly, it's under Roland
53:15
O'Connor. And like I said earlier in the first book, Okay, when
53:22
I worked in Iraq, I worked with a whole bunch of young soldiers and
53:28
uh. And I was amazed at how little they knew what happened to my
53:31
generation, their generation behind with the draft and all. So I said,
53:37
I don't write a book, and I began to write about We actually wrote
53:42
about growing, you know, graduating high school and coming down here to go
53:46
to college from Atlanta and uh. And then you know, the draft is
53:55
on your back the whole time. You fluck out you go in the army,
53:59
you know. And and also there was huge social change. You know,
54:05
when I started at West Georgia, on the Sundays when you went to
54:10
eat, you had to put on a coat and tide. When I left,
54:15
everybody had hair down to their butt and co ed dorms and the place
54:20
was wide open within four years. That was that much change, and that
54:24
that was a bit traumatic. I will not that it wasn't fun. It
54:29
was, but you know, it's just a huge change, and I wanted
54:35
to write about that. And I also wrote about the book starts in Carrollton,
54:42
and you know, I go to Vietnam and I come back and I
54:45
have to do all the things necessary to fit back into society. And so
54:52
I wrote that book. And then the guys interact said, well, if
54:53
you can write that, why don't you write one about us. We had
54:57
a lot of downtime over their record duties. And so I wrote a book
55:01
about driving a truck interact. That is not a subject that people are like
55:09
chomping at the bit to know about. But on the other hand, I
55:13
don't know of anybody that's ever written a book about They write books about war.
55:17
They always write books about soldiers and war. They never write books about
55:21
contractors and war, you know. And and it's it's it's a decent book.
55:25
Yeah, it's like a pretty good book. And then what did I
55:28
do? I wrote, Oh, I wrote the one that I'm not so
55:31
proud of. You gotta have a dog and all of them. And then
55:38
that's about I just I don't want even promote that book. Okay, you
55:45
finally, Amazon, you'll just go Mark Twain craptic books, you know,
55:49
and uh okay, and uh so I also here back into conspiracy. Oh
55:57
yeah, in my hometown, well, Fayetteville, where I lived as part
56:01
of the Atlanta Atlanta and there was a death. A woman and her baby
56:09
died in childbirth and she was a preacher's husband and the doctor that attended was
56:16
a deacon in the church, and there was a lot of talk, a
56:21
lot of people weren't convinced that this thing, that this was not it was
56:24
on the up and up right, and uh, within three months the preacher
56:31
had remarried and boy, eyebrows were raised. Now I'm not saying he did
56:37
it, but I'm id this is I'm not using real I don't even name
56:44
the town, you know, being a lawsuit, but because I don't know
56:49
that he did it. But in my book, this character did do it.
56:52
And uh, and that's a pretty decent book too, you know.
56:59
So it is a conspiracy, but it's kind of a local conspiracy. The
57:02
next one was about the Kennedy assassination because most of you know, they teach
57:10
to teach, they teach the history that that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy and
57:21
people just accept that now, but nobody believed that in my is not no
57:25
way, you know, and totally one of the dangers when you're my age
57:34
is writing for people my age. I have to write for a more broad
57:39
Republican than that. So I created a millennial character who discovers that her grandmother
57:45
worked for Jack Ruby, who everybody my age knows who that is. He
57:52
owned He's the one that shot Lee Harvey Oswald and he owned the stripped to
57:55
him right and with the mafia. And this girl discovers that her grandmother was
58:02
a stripper. Bob, Seriously, he has knowledge. He has knowledge.
58:12
I think you had some pictures of the Grassy Nole and the gunmen and oh
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man, let's see I is chasing a minute. Oh that sounds awesome.
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Bob, Thank you so much. Listen, we've run out of time,
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so I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for being here
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with us today at Space Out Radio. And you guys please go get Bob's
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books, Bad Roads for a Good Man and The Original Baby Boomer, and
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there's several other books out there. And Bob's got a new book coming out
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too, but it's under Roland O'Connor that's available on Amazon, So you guys
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go check him out and go get his books. And Bob, I hope
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that you will come back and hang out with me again in the near future.
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Okay, okay, all right, awesome, Bob, thank you so
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much. I just had a great time with you tonight, so we'll see
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you soon. Okay, okay, okay, see Bob. Alright, alright,
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y'all, that was awesome. I hope you guys enjoyed having Bob here
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as much as I did. And you guys please go hang out after hours
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right after this, they've got a show going on in about one minute.
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I hope you guys will hang out with me this week on my channel,
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The crypton Huntress, where I have live shows every Wednesday at one pm Eastern
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Thursday at eight pm Eastern. I'll be back here next weekend on spaced Out
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Radio. I will be letting you guys know who my guests are this week.
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I hope you guys have a wonderful week. And until I see y'all
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again, stay safe out there, I hope