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Talks to Frazer Gregory & Si Hart about their choice of The Seeds of Death (5/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blump. Pen knife for doing quicker,
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  quicker, quicker. Go.
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  Welcome back to Hamster with a Blunt Pen Knife, the Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast that doesn't know how much form is too much.
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  Can you ever have too much foam? Yes, I love being covered in it
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  me, and I'm not being rude there.
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  I love a bubble bath and I I keep getting told off for using
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  a whole like radox in one bath. That's a lot of fun.
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  That's a lot of Radox. I know.
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  Well, sometimes I do pretend I'm Patrick trouting in the bath,
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  going, Oh my word. There are images that will be
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  now engrained in the mind of the listener the whole week.
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  Yes. I look very nice as well.
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  Thank you very much. Still, for those of you who are
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  just joining us, I am Fraser. I am joined with Si Say hi Si.
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  Hi, Si. And Josie.
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  Hi, Joe. I'm marching on a Welsh cake.
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  Hello, You're well traveled with your food this week.
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  I know, right from Newcastle. A Welsh cake from Sainsbury's
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  continue. Right, I was.
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  Well, I was just going to recap on what's happened on the story
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  so far. So the Doctor and Sarah Jane
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  have landed in the Antarctic. They found a crazy looking seed
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  pod, which is all went a bit thing from one of the world.
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  Boises turned up from Only Fools and Horses and tried to kill
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  them. They went back to the UK.
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  It's all went a bit of ventures and where are we now guys?
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  What's all of episode 5? So we're sort of in a Manor
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  house in the country right now. Amelia Ducar has just done her
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  espionage, but there's dossier, old lady, you know consider me
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  available for any future assignments to Roberts.
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  We've just had a cliffhanger that shouldn't work of a big
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  wobbly plant coming towards the screen, yeah.
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  Hang on a minute. What?
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  That's the wrong, bloody story. In fact, if someone's listening
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  to this right now, they'll be very confused.
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  If someone's listening, anyone, Does anyone listen to us?
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  Episode 5 What's the cliffhanger to the last episode I can't even
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  remember? Which?
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  Which story? Of the season Death, Fraser.
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  It's Zoe and she is big silhouette.
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  She's hiding a great, great big light.
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  I forget that. Yes, because the mirror line has
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  been cracked out for about the three thousandth time.
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  And beautifully too. And Phipps unfortunately, is no
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  longer with. Us he has.
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  Had his four episodes and went off to the BBC bar.
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  The chips are in for Phipps. And the poor old phone machine
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  is pumping it out at a rate of knots across Hampstead Heath.
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  Yes. Do you reckon, do you reckon the
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  kind of like had did that few from the deep and just went oh
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  that was great, right, get the foam in lads.
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  Awesome. We'll have some more of that job
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  lot and. Then had any foam since the end
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  of the Dominators, so it's been a little while.
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  And then a. Lot of fun at the end of the
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  Dominators, yeah? And I've kind of turned and
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  went, bad news, you know, we're going like, you know, proper
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  serious next season. Would be on earth boned.
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  It's all going to be you know, serious hot Tyfi.
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  It's going to be no foam, guys, What am I doing?
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  With this, the job lot in the back I'll.
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  Use it all in this one. The last person to use the foam
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  machine is Michael Ferguson, in color in the clause of Access.
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  Oh. Does he?
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  Oh yeah, that that quantum accelerator thingy.
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  That's it, yeah. But there it genuinely just
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  looks like. There's something about it in
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  black and white, isn't it? Because I'll tell you what, I
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  was just about to confess that. Do you remember the beginning of
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  the mind dropper when you know the volcanic planet of Dolkis is
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  subsuming in the TARDIS and you see the TARDIS materialize of
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  all the foam around it? As a child, I was convinced that
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  was lava. That's what lava looked like.
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  Absolutely convinced. But now unfortunately polished
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  up on, you know, VH, not VHS DVD.
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  I can see what it really is. But yeah, it just goes to show,
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  you know, you can convince a child.
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  Well, well. You've just got a suspended
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  disappoint. If you haven't you, you've just
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  got to sit there and go. Actually, lava doesn't look like
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  film and just go. That's what they're going for,
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  they're going for. Lava on Docus looks like this.
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  Well, there you go. And I see Martian sea pod
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  exploding on the Earth. Also looks like SOAP studs, yes,
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  we see in action. Should we go and see all the the
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  martial larva? Right.
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  I'm so pleased you didn't steal my beginning to episode 6,
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  because you people have a habit of doing this, you know, nicking
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  all the best intros. In many ways, we have the same
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  mind. In five. 4. 321.
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  Off we go. What do you?
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  Suggesting we're the same Time Lord so.
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  Do you think then, Fraser, if you think the Seats of Death is
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  average, and I think you probably think the Space Pirates
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  is fairly average, I think most people think it's average at
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  best. So we on a sort of like a
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  decline as we head towards the war games.
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  What kind of running out esteem I think this is this is the
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  problem with this this episode this story.
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  So you know it's it's indicative what's happening behind the
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  scenes at the minute you know that you know the production is
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  it's kind of sorry. It's chaos behind the scenes.
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  It's it's in a dreadful, dreadful.
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  Size, yeah. Yeah.
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  Yeah, you know, producers. Have you guys heard?
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  The prison in space, The big Finnish version of the prison in
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  space? I've read a synopsis of the
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  prison in space and that was enough.
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  Every horror that you could imagine about that story the the
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  poor woman in charge, yeah, is spanked in the climax to teach
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  her a lesson for getting above herself.
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  I mean, it's so incredibly sexist.
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  It puts Mission to Magnus in the shame.
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  Wow, that's probably a good thing that someone actually
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  went, you know, who was it? David Murray said.
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  I do. Not doing this.
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  But that would have been made if he would agree to do it.
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  Yeah, the only person who would have liked that would have been
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  phrased for eyes surrounded by all those women.
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  I mean, even, you know, you get to the War Games itself, you
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  know the War Games has got no rate to work.
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  Was it? You know it's.
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  Ten, I think. That works.
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  It works. But it's got no right to, you
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  know, it's it's, you know, 10 episodes long.
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  Yeah, it's last minute. There's no budget for sets.
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  The sets are just drapes, you know, It's got absolutely no
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  right to to be anything what it is.
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  And I think obviously Michael and Tyran sticks all the kind of
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  saviors. You know.
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  David Maloney and Dave. You know you can you can point
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  at 10 sticks you know at this point and say this isn't this
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  man. You know going from doing what
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  he did with the war games going into then season 7 where he's
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  producer leaves after one story and he has a you know producer
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  that he's worked with that he's cut his teeth with, that he
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  knows and he gets a new guy coming in and and then from what
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  happens from there onwards you know.
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  Your talent sticks is the city of the end of Doctor Who.
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  It has been said. You know.
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  It is a rousing turnaround though, isn't it?
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  After sort of 12 weeks of I mean, I love this, but I can see
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  why people wouldn't or get a bit tired of it.
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  So it is like 10 episodes of something just incredible at the
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  end and and because it's capping off both season 6 and trout and
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  and the 60s and black and white. It's got to be something
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  special, and it is, yeah. Definitely.
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  Fusion saved my life and Miss Kelly went well.
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  That doesn't sound like fusion. His personnel record must be
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  quite something. They're very nice to him, you
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  know. I just got boxed each side of
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  his logs by by that Ice Warrior there, didn't you?
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  Oh, who's this fella? This is James Gregson.
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  So this is the equivalent of, say, what's the name Masters
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  coming in in Silurians? Yeah, absolutely.
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  He's. Got underpants on the outside of
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  his clothes instead of a lovely. Yeah, he's he's the government
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  boss, basically, of Tmat who's coming in to tell them you're
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  doing it all wrong. But he's not.
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  He's not. He looks a bit like a Silurian,
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  doesn't he? I'm sorry.
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  That's right. Yeah.
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  Too. Many essays.
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  He doesn't even need the mask. I love this, where they're
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  trying to explain what's happened and how imposable it
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  all is. So we sent them up to the
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  rocket. And then Miss Kelly went up,
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  went up to the moon. She went up by rocket.
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  No, no, she went to T Matt and was suddenly working again for a
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  bit. I can detect Terence here as
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  well. Sort of this fun.
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  The absurdity of it, yeah. Well, this is what Terence gets.
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  Terence gets out apart, you know, Terence, you know, you
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  know, pads in two ways. He has his characters, you know,
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  get together in a room and argue or he has, you know, some
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  fantastic chasing. So he's kind of, you know,
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  getting the hung of it as you go, you know, I mean, he gets
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  better. Because this is, this is him
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  cutting his teeth and I think this is where you know the shows
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  that it's best when you give, you know you, you produce those
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  or you give you your script edit as that opportunity to learn on
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  the job as it were. You know if Bob Holmes just went
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  straight into season 12 without, you know, shadow and turn
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  sticks. You know if we hadn't hung
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  around at the start of season 15.
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  You know, short of show Tony read the ropes.
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  Things are going to be a lot worse.
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  Can I bring us back to Michael Ferguson for a second?
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  Cuz we've just had the sun silhouetted shot of the eyes for
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  you man, that's excellent. And as a way of telling us where
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  we are, that's very dramatic, yeah.
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  And I really like the futuristic design of the weather control
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  station as well. But also the film work is
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  beautiful. It's so clear and on DVD.
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  I'm sorry on Blu-ray, that is going to look stunning.
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  Yes, because the season 2 episodes looked amazing on
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  Blu-ray and this one. Another bar set on 2 levels like
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  in episode 5. That's bit unusual.
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  It is, isn't. It.
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  Oh miralon. Yeah, yeah.
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  And I think sort of in terms in terms of the scale of the story
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  now, you know like we've gone to the moon, we've been to the base
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  on the Earth, we've seen the team has captured all over the
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  place. We're now at the we've been out
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  on location and now we're in the web like we've we've covered a
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  lot of grounds. We have.
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  We've been all over the place. I love that the web controls are
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  basically. Wet or dry, this is and this is
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  it. Turn everything to dry and then
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  blast it. That's it.
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  That's simple. You know, I could probably get
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  on with technology. Remember.
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  Yeah, I wonder what's happened to the Gravitron at this point.
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  Or is the Gravitron not there yet?
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  What's that? What was that, 2020?
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  No, it was 2070, I think. Oh, OK.
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  Well, I don't remember where we are in this one.
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  I don't know. There's always.
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  Something about 2021 or something is a couple of years
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  back. Actually this is harking back to
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  that. I remember when I did the Fury
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  from the deep commentary with Mark Dodick and we were saying
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  like it's really unusual that we're doing sort of a future
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  Earth story, future Earth story where they're not venerating
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  some fabulous new bit of technology like the Gravitron,
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  like the computer in the Ice Warriors, like the compute or
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  team at in this. It is just sort of a drilling
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  project. But this absolutely is that.
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  This is a good question, and for both of you, I'm going to throw
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  it at Fraser. First, is Seas of Death a best
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  of the trout and ERA as we see the trout and ERA out?
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  Because it's doing based on the seas, it's doing monsters, it's
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  doing all the things that we sort of know in this era.
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  It is, but there's another story that I would point to to say
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  this is your this is your Troton primer, if you want.
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  You know, a feel of what the trunk near us like you know in
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  the current reduction that's going to give you a little bit
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  of room for improvement and but also going to give you a really
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  solid story. Oh, I wonder what that could be.
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  Is it the crotons? It must be the crotons.
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  Only enough. It's not.
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  It's the Dominators. Is it?
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  No, really. You kidding me?
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  What a surprise. I mean that's I don't.
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  I try not to talk about it too much, really.
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  This is I'm trying but. To be.
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  Honest. You get much space under siege
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  in that, do you? You don't.
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  You don't. But I think you know to say
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  that, you know Trump's year is all just based on the siege is
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  is kind of it's it's inaccurate. You know you have you have
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  season five, which you know has a few of those stories in, but
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  not all of them. Not all of them are based under
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  siege stories. I would suggest the power of the
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  Daleks and the Moon base are both based on the sieges as
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  well. Yeah, but so enemies, the world
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  isn't, you know, the ice, I suppose ice was is a bit based
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  on the CG isn't? It abominable Snowman.
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  Yeah, but you know, things like the mind rubber, the Crotons,
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  the invasion. 6. Space play with four.
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  Games, yeah. Before that sort of Macrotera
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  underwater menace. Although they are sort of all
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  settings where monsters are clamoring about and menacing
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  people. Sorry, Ferguson, Watch again.
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  Look at this. The two of them silhouetted and
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  acting brilliantly, and Fuchsian's body language, where
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  he sort of cowards is, is, is Great Joe.
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  I actually think it is. The last great gasp of the
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  Trouncer monster story and they're going out with with a
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  bang with this one, so there we go.
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  I think if the Troun ended here, if you know you get to the end
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  and. Had died, engulfed in fun?
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  Pretty much, pretty much. Someone needs to, you know go
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  with anti foam into the foam desert and you know that's
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  that's the doctor and he comes staggering out and he's like.
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  And, you know, regenerates on the floor, I think.
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  Yeah, you've got a perfectly good sort of planet of spiders.
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  You are bold like this, Fraser Gregory, you know.
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  I think that would be you know Planet of Spiders.
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  You look at that and you go, that is like the best of of
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  Pertway, isn't it? That's like that's got all the
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  elements you want in there. The War Games is.
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  Is very different to most of the trouncing era, which is is
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  really great and it's it's quite unlike anything else.
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  Weirdly enough, I think the WAR games is the most complex trout
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  story since Power of the Daleks in terms of like transaction and
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  plotting. Yeah, which is is quite
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  phenomenal really when you consider within three years in
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  between. Fellows, who is this ramshackle
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  fellow who's just suddenly turned up in the plot?
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  Oh, Doctor Who's back. Look at his lovely new
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  sideburns. This of course of a few problems
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  when they go to the film sections that they did a few
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  weeks. Back like now, when you did say
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  in the previous episode that it is a shame that Zoe didn't know
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  she had the smiles to figure out.
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  But this sequence in a bit. I see episode 6 where he's
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  throwing everything you can at that balloon.
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  I mean, trout and goofing about is the best thing in the world.
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  I wouldn't swap any of that. It's just I just feel it's a bit
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  of a. So it's all a bit short.
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  The only thing that's better than trout goofing around is
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  trout and padbury goofing around together.
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  We're going to get beautifully. Here we go.
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  But laugh. Here we are.
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  Trouten foam film. Fabulous.
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  Foam film Fabulous. Yeah.
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  Oh my. Wow.
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  He's just so. When when we were growing up and
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  watching this episode. So we've got this.
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  I bought this at Christmas 1987 with my first ever wage packet,
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  so I was put to work very early. I've been to work with my dad
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  over the Christmas holidays and out on the van with him and so
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  he they paid me £20 which is just amazing.
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  I could buy two Doctor Who videos with that.
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  So I did. But my brother who is 6 years
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  younger than me, he thought Transom was that.
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  Transom was his favorite Doctor Who because he was funny and he
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  loved the way he ran in the Five Doctors and he loved all the
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  running and goofing around in the phone sort of as a youngster
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  when when he was watching this. So there's something about his
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  doctor I think that appeals to to children very much, even
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  though the performance is. Yeah.
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  When he comes back he's not quite ever the Doctor he was
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  when he's on sort of in his own era, he media bits are always
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  played up and the more mysterious and I think I
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  described it as elusive, parts of his performance and character
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  are are played down. But it's things like this where
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  this must have been so wonderful for children watching at the
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  time that it's just. He's throwing everything at this
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  balloon and Oh no, it's not working.
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  And it's. Just he finds things out by
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  accident. And that's.
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  You know, T.O.K Hadley was saying that to me the other day
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  when he was recording the cellar is that he kind of misses this
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  sort of ramshackle Dr. that improvises and.
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  Souls things by accident and it's I think it is a distinctly
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  classic who. That's what.
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  That's what the Doctor was when I was young.
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  I like I didn't. I'm still not convinced about
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  this world conquering God, walking around being a lonely
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  Angel. I preferred him when he was just
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  an eccentric. WINS by the skin of his teeth.
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  I think that's far more interesting.
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  Dynamic, dynamically and character driven.
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  You know, you were saying about him being a child and loving the
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  humor of Trout. Actually, Trout used to scare me
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  a little bit as a kid. And it wasn't because he was
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  scary. It was because, like, I'd watch
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  a John Pertley story and he was so stalwart and confident.
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  I was like, oh, we're all right. Yeah.
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  As a kid I was like, I'm in safe hands.
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  I'd watch the mind rubber, which I think was my first one of my
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  first Trout VHS's. And he's like, oh, my God.
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  And he's always panicked and he's always showing fear.
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  And so as a kid, I was like, oh, I don't think this is going to
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  end well. The Doctor's panicking a lot,
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  but I do. That is a rare thing in The
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  Doctor that Trout and Taps into absolutely is showing the
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  Doctor's fear. Yes, don't get that very often.
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  And and and that, I mean Speaking of Planet of the
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  Spiders and John Pertwee is brought down by his fear because
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  he's not been afraid ever before, because he's so
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  resolute. And suddenly he's against
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  something that absolutely terrifies him.
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  Yeah. I think Tom Baker taps into that
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  that element well as well, you know, and that sort of
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  uncertainty, that lack of, you know, confidence in, in knowing
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  exactly what the solution is. You know, Patrick Trouten, you
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  know, has he's, you know, flaps a little bit where was, you
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  know, Tom Baker, the 4th Doctor really leans into that in his
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  way. Oh, I don't know how I'm going
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  to get out of this, but I will just.
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  Keep going and keep going and keep going.
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  But with Baker, I feel like he knows he will, yeah, with trial.
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  And I feel like he don't think he's going.
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  You're not. You're not entirely sure that he
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  is going to find an answer to this.
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  Which is why when he comes, like in the last scene between him
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  and Slaw in this, where he's standing there sort of a bit
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  heroic, it's so unusual. It's.
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  It's quite jarring, isn't it? And dark, but we'll get into
• 22:45
  that in episode 6. Look how young Fraser Eyes and
• 22:50
  Wendy Papri look in these film sequences.
• 22:53
  Oh, so gorgeous. Look at them.
• 22:56
  They're just so good together. It just light up the screen,
• 23:00
  even just walking around the corner of a base.
• 23:03
  I hate to keep saying this because, but this is the sort of
• 23:06
  thing as a kid that I wanted to be doing, tiptoeing around
• 23:09
  bases. This was absolute gold for me as
• 23:15
  a kid. Yeah, you want to be yet?
• 23:18
  Sneaking around and hiding from the monsters.
• 23:23
  Yeah. Wendy Patrick.
• 23:25
  Something that's slightly futuristic and slightly
• 23:28
  different to your normal everyday world.
• 23:30
  She says in a commentary. You know, in episode 6 where
• 23:33
  she's laughing. She's like, I wonder if they
• 23:34
  took it out. Oh no they didn't.
• 23:41
  Are we still in the age where you can only edit a few times?
• 23:45
  I think so. Well then, that makes us.
• 23:48
  Do it? Not quite at, yeah.
• 23:53
  So basically the weather control Bureau is our is our sort of
• 23:58
  extra element isn't it in five and six.
• 24:01
  Now how we say in six part as we always get the extra plot
• 24:03
  element. So we head here and it's just
• 24:06
  basically another base to run around in.
• 24:10
  There. Lots of corridors, lots of.
• 24:14
  Lots of jeopardy. Lots of hunting behind lights.
• 24:17
  Oh, come on. That is the most pantomime
• 24:19
  moment of this whole story. Them two behind.
• 24:21
  That. Yeah, it's like that moment in
• 24:23
  The Horns of Nymond, isn't it? Where they're just hiding behind
• 24:25
  the two computer banks, completely in plain sight and
• 24:28
  still getting away with it. Oh, look at this grand Marshall
• 24:32
  talk about bling. And he's played by Graham
• 24:38
  Lehman, who turns up quite a lot around this sort of time.
• 24:42
  So he is the. The old controller in the Macro
• 24:46
  Terror, he is in fury from the deep.
• 24:50
  He's one of the people on the base, he's the Commander here,
• 24:54
  he's one of the Time Lords in the Three Doctors, and he just
• 24:59
  just turns up every so often. Just a little roll and it's
• 25:02
  really, really good. I can't really tell what he's
• 25:05
  saying off the time. I'm glad I got the subtitles on.
• 25:08
  Which is odd isn't it? Because he's the one who isn't
• 25:11
  the heavy breathing Ice Warrior, so you should be able to make
• 25:14
  him out better. Where we sculpted is it?
• 25:22
  Oh, no, no, I'm. Not doing another zippy
• 25:25
  impression, but I think it does. Surprise, you get to know
• 25:29
  Bangal. There must be nowhere, right?
• 25:34
  You did get very well for Asia. It does show just what a superb
• 25:43
  job Alan Benyon is doing now. Oh.
• 25:45
  Absolutely. And it's it's a really, really
• 25:51
  good performance behind Latex and the mask that he can't see
• 25:54
  out of. I think his slaw, his God, Let's
• 25:58
  see if I can do this is Leah is Leah and Azaxi, Jesus Christ.
• 26:03
  Only an adopting commentary are very distinct.
• 26:10
  Yes, he makes them all slightly different, which is really good
• 26:13
  considering it's basically the same performance.
• 26:17
  It's the same costume with a cloak.
• 26:21
  I shall. I shall leave it to Nina Thomas
• 26:23
  from The Monster Repelled on commentary.
• 26:26
  She says Benyon was the nuts. Because he's done.
• 26:31
  He's done a lot of incredible theater work.
• 26:34
  I think he's right now, actually.
• 26:37
  He's just up the road, if he's still with us.
• 26:41
  Again and it's. One of those things that when
• 26:43
  Big Finish did their first ice water story, which was Red Dawn,
• 26:47
  wasn't it that it felt wrong that Alan Bennion wasn't playing
• 26:51
  the Ice Lord in it. But did you notice Matthew
• 26:54
  Brenno plays the Ice Lord in that he's absolutely tapping
• 26:57
  into this? Yes, he's really channeling
• 26:59
  that, yeah. And did you also notice?
• 27:02
  You should you should been a been a hero.
• 27:05
  Then there's only one thing left for him.
• 27:07
  For him, there he goes. He gets Miral on.
• 27:12
  What a character. Well done, Terry Scully.
• 27:15
  That's really dramatic, I think the way the he points, right.
• 27:18
  The camera, he knows, yeah. And the light comes, yeah.
• 27:21
  They get so he knows they're watching them kill Fusion, and
• 27:24
  then he points straight at the camera.
• 27:28
  The fusion came right in the end, which is again a very
• 27:30
  Terranstics. Yeah.
• 27:32
  Character note, Isn't it that someone who's done wrong comes
• 27:36
  right at the very last minute? It's like Dr. Lennox, isn't it?
• 27:39
  He does. Yep.
• 27:42
  Does, yeah. A character in distress does the
• 27:44
  right thing. And then you get Isotope for his
• 27:47
  dinner. Uh.
• 27:48
  Huh. So yeah.
• 27:50
  So not good, but they're always you know.
• 27:52
  Not by Benton. Not by Benton.
• 27:56
  Did you notice the transition there a second ago, then
• 27:59
  watching on the screen to then being in the studio?
• 28:02
  Yeah, yeah. That's a.
• 28:04
  Really stylish transition for the time.
• 28:06
  It transitioned in, you know you had it went from the.
• 28:11
  The people on Earth watching the video to then transitioned into
• 28:15
  the action on the moon and then back out again.
• 28:19
  Yeah, I have a friend who always says the troutanira for him.
• 28:25
  Here we go. No, no Troutan.
• 28:29
  Are you laughing at Trout and running on the spot?
• 28:35
  I have a friend who always says the troutanira for him.
• 28:38
  Is Patrick Tranton talking to people from a screen?
• 28:42
  Because he does it so often that he's talking to the audience out
• 28:46
  of the television and it's it's wonderful.
• 28:50
  But also the Tranton era is him surrounded by lots of phone
• 28:54
  running around and asking around, do you know?
• 28:57
  Beautifully. This is outside as well I'm
• 28:59
  really. Yeah, for years I was as well.
• 29:03
  It's great film work. Well, it's healing, isn't it?
• 29:05
  They got a bit more so well. Fuck me, We've got to take that
• 29:10
  phone machine to Ealing. Use it all boys.
• 29:14
  Use it all boys. Sorry.
• 29:19
  This is a question purely for Sy right now.
• 29:22
  Yes, Sy, have you ever been covered in that much white
• 29:24
  stuff? Frequently in the bath.
• 29:37
  Do you have anything to add? No.
• 29:41
  No, just shaking his head. Sorry.
• 29:46
  Jamie. Is this Pete Trout and clowning?
• 29:49
  I think it must be. It is, Oh no, and in full town
• 29:57
  comes back. I'm wondering where, at this
• 29:59
  point where where we're in comedy or whether we're in
• 30:02
  drama. I think, I think we've sort of
• 30:04
  lost the difference between the two.
• 30:08
  It's just the faces he pulls are just so magnificent.
• 30:12
  I'm not sure any other doctor could get away with a sequence
• 30:16
  that absurd. Can you imagine Peter Davison
• 30:19
  doing that? No.
• 30:21
  I can imagine Tom Baker doing it because he does it in the
• 30:23
  nightmare of Eden and it's pretty agonizing.
• 30:26
  Yep, but it feels right for Patrick Trounson, doesn't it?
• 30:31
  It does, yeah, it doesn't. Well, and then like I said, you
• 30:34
  you contrast factor. How he is in episode 6 when he
• 30:38
  confronts the honestly because. It's really well-rounded and
• 30:45
  very well for out performance. I think by him, his doctor is
• 30:49
  full of full of layers like that.
• 30:53
  So I've got a question for you then.
• 30:54
  Sigh. OK.
• 30:56
  Because you were within the target novelization in the break
• 31:02
  between record and. How does Terrence managed to
• 31:07
  convey the fun of Pat Trout and Fallen Around in form on script
• 31:12
  on on in the novel? Well, I have to admit, I'm not
• 31:18
  sure I've ever actually read the Novel of Scenes of Death, which
• 31:22
  is dreadful because I have a bit.
• 31:25
  I know for a fact that this was a book that I got after I had
• 31:29
  the video, and I've watched the video so many times, I don't
• 31:32
  think I ever read the book. So I feel this this may have to
• 31:37
  be rectified very shortly because give.
• 31:39
  Me a minute. I'm just getting a call.
• 31:41
  Hello. Yes, how?
• 31:44
  Hello. Jason Miller of the book club.
• 31:48
  How are you today? Yes, you do have very strange
• 31:51
  opinions about Warriors of the Deep.
• 31:52
  What's that? Yes, I've got news in about
• 31:55
  Cyhart. There's a target book
• 31:57
  novelization that he hasn't read.
• 31:58
  See to death. He's doing a commentary on it
• 32:01
  now. Are you going to book him in for
• 32:03
  that one soon so he's forced to read it?
• 32:05
  Thank you very much. Yes, I will get the
• 32:08
  assassination out against him. Thank you very much for your
• 32:11
  call. Goodbye.
• 32:11
  OK. Sorry, folks.
• 32:12
  Keep. Continuing.
• 32:13
  So, yeah, sorry about that. It's time for.
• 32:17
  So to be honest, Fraser, I don't know.
• 32:20
  Oh. Should anybody actually know the
• 32:23
  answer to this question because it's been years since I've read
• 32:25
  it, please pop it in the Twitter thread below.
• 32:32
  Find it there. Yes.
• 32:36
  OK.