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Chuck and Buck 10-6 Hour 3: MMQB with Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: the Monday Morning Quarterback with Mike hom Grin and Hugh Millin.
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Speaker 1: Here's Chuckin' buck ah.
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Speaker 3: Yes, good morning everybody, Happy Monday to you all. What
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Speaker 3: a weekend, my goodness, So what a weekend? And here
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Speaker 3: we are all assembled on a Monday to talk about it.
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Speaker 3: Ashley Ryan's here, former Mariner, Bucky Jacobson. My name is
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Speaker 3: Chuck Powell. We are going to do Mariners baseball for
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Speaker 3: a nine o'clock hour today? No coach today, but man,
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Speaker 3: we can't go a Monday, not after that football game
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Speaker 3: at Loomanfield yesterday without hearing from our QB one. So
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Speaker 3: Hugh Millan is with us from now until nine o'clock
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Speaker 3: this morning. Good morning, QB one, Good morning.
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Speaker 2: How are you?
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Speaker 3: Uh? We're good, But that sounded a little exasperated. Did
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Speaker 3: you just finish a film session of frustration? Is that
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Speaker 3: what we're greeting being greeted with this morning?
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Speaker 2: Well? I feel like it's like getting a sweetish massage
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Speaker 2: at a luxury spa, and then you know, I also
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Speaker 2: have my ankles in a bear trap, you know, I
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Speaker 2: mean this is a very conflicting week. So somewhere else massage. Well,
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Speaker 2: you know, I could have gone another out, but it's
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Speaker 2: a family show, so.
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Speaker 3: You should try. Yeah, you should try one of their
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Speaker 3: different packages. Yeah exactly, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the budget packages ain't working for me.
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Speaker 4: Bear trap ankle massage doesn't sound good.
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Speaker 3: Well, thirty eight to thirty five loss to the Buccaneers,
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Speaker 3: high scoring affair. It was almost thirty points over the
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Speaker 3: over under yesterday. Where does the conversation start with you?
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Speaker 2: This morning. Well, you know, playing for Dawn James, he
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Speaker 2: used to say there's three phases of football, offense, defense,
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Speaker 2: and special teams, and he got to win two of three.
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Speaker 2: And you know, initially when he got established as the
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Speaker 2: Husky coach, he was renowned around the country for you know,
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Speaker 2: this remarkable kicking game. And and you know, in deference
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Speaker 2: to the man I respect more than anybody in my life,
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Speaker 2: including my own father. I'm going to say I don't
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Speaker 2: quite agree with DJ in that I've given it a thought.
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Speaker 2: I think due to the binary nature of scrimmage plays,
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Speaker 2: I think it's and I felt this way for decades.
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Speaker 2: I think it's about one fifth. I think how you
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Speaker 2: run it is one fifth. How you throw it, how
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Speaker 2: you defend the run is one fifth, how you defend
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Speaker 2: the pass, and special teams. I'm gonna back off DJ.
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Speaker 2: Instead of thirty three percent, I think it's about twenty percent.
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Speaker 2: So look, he's probably right, but just work with me
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Speaker 2: for the sake of the discussion. I think they're all
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Speaker 2: about one fifth. Think about this. Think about the four
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Speaker 2: phases for the for the Seahawks, how did they run
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Speaker 2: the ball well? The running backs nineteen carries one hundred
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Speaker 2: and twenty two. They had six point four yards. How
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Speaker 2: did you defend the run Tampa Bay running backs that
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Speaker 2: only had nineteen carries for forty one yards, So same
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Speaker 2: number carries one hundred and twenty two for Seattle, forty
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Speaker 2: one for Tampa. They have a two point two average.
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Speaker 2: How do you throw the ball, well, Sam Darnold, I
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Speaker 2: mean good god, yeah, yeah, three hundred and forty yards
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Speaker 2: and one hundred and thirty five passer rating. How about
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Speaker 2: the kicking game, Well, look, you could say it's a draw,
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Speaker 2: but you had you had two kickoff return the forty
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Speaker 2: one yard line, one of the forty six yard line.
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Speaker 2: You down a punt inside the six. Now you missed
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Speaker 2: a field goal they down inside the one. Let's be charitable,
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Speaker 2: the charitable to the Buccaneers to call that a draw. Now,
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Speaker 2: let's get to the pass defense. The pass defense is
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Speaker 2: so was so dreadful, the twenty percent of football was
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Speaker 2: so dreadful. And you know third and thirteen to seventeen
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Speaker 2: the NFL over the last three years, you combined, the
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Speaker 2: conversion rate between thirteen and seventeen yards is thirteen and
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Speaker 2: a half percent. The Buccaneers go three for four. The
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Speaker 2: chance of that, I've just ran the math because I'm
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Speaker 2: a geek. The chance of something that has a thirteen
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Speaker 2: point five percent probability of happening three or more times
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Speaker 2: out of four opportunities. That's a point eighty eight percent chance.
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Speaker 2: That's less than one in one hundred. That's the best.
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Speaker 2: That's the defense you saw overall on third down five
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Speaker 2: of seven for Baker Mayfield in passing, but also two scrambles.
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Speaker 2: I mean, just look, you saw it. They were shredding
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Speaker 2: the defensive line for the Seahawks. When did one person
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Speaker 2: make their presence other than Byron Murphy hitting the quarterback
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Speaker 2: low in fifteen yards, Leonard Williams doing a headbutt after
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Speaker 2: the play, drawing a personal foul, Like the defensive line
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Speaker 2: was non existent, the pass rush, the ends, I mean,
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Speaker 2: we talked on Friday. The right tackle is in a
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Speaker 2: sixth year and he's had a worse Pro Football Focus
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Speaker 2: grade in every year. In his grade, this year's thirty six, Like,
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Speaker 2: how do you not beat him? Tristan Wurfs is a
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Speaker 2: great left tackle, but he's he was on the pups
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Speaker 2: coming off a knee as his grades are twenty five
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Speaker 2: points lower than the average, Like how do you not
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Speaker 2: get any pressure Baker Mayfield. It looked like seven on
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Speaker 2: seven football, and on all these big plays. You just
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Speaker 2: go back and you watch the tape, which I have,
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Speaker 2: and there's not there's not anybody that is touching Baker
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Speaker 2: Mayfield for the most part. There's nobody who would touch
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Speaker 2: him with a tennis racket. There's nobody who would touch
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Speaker 2: him with a fly rod. Like there's like he's just
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Speaker 2: back there. It's literally seven on seven, which is football
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Speaker 2: without lineman. So at any event, I just think, you
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Speaker 2: know that I was at the Cardinal game going into
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Speaker 2: the fourth quarter when the Cardinals only had three points.
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Speaker 2: I was going, this defense is just on pace to be,
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Speaker 2: you know, just epic. And then they had the collapse
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Speaker 2: against the Cardinals in the fourth quarter. And then now
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Speaker 2: whatever you saw Sunday, it's just like it is a
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Speaker 2: complete uh uh destruction. And and so everybody's got it's
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Speaker 2: got to be all hands on deck. It is totally
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Speaker 2: broken right now in the past defense department in all phases.
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean so then if you if you're not
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Speaker 4: getting pressure on him, then be really difficult, regardless of
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Speaker 4: who's in your defensive backfield to cover for very long
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Speaker 4: and just considering the way in which the rules are
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Speaker 4: set up, you can't do a whole heck of a
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Speaker 4: lot of tugging and touching back there. So I mean,
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Speaker 4: how much of the lack of past defense, the way
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Speaker 4: in which it looked like a seven on seven for
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Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield, how much of that is because of the
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Speaker 4: backups that were in there with Spoon and Love being out.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's it's some of it. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you know, the biggest play of the game, well, I'll
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Speaker 2: say the longest game when you remember Ameca Buca that
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Speaker 2: out and up on you know that was third and
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Speaker 2: thirteen and they get fifty seven yards. I mean the
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Speaker 2: four guys rushing, yeah, from left to right, Nuoso, Leonard Williams,
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Speaker 2: Byron Murphy and Boy Maffey. That should be that's like
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Speaker 2: going into training camp. That like, that's your all star four.
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Speaker 2: Like if you had one play win a game, you
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Speaker 2: might pick those guys right based on their history. And
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Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield, he takes a five step drops from shotgun,
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Speaker 2: which is the cool one of seven step drop plus
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Speaker 2: three hitches and he's got this clean lane. So and
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Speaker 2: on that play, you know you mentioned the injuries, So
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Speaker 2: I think that's pivotal. You've got you've got a second
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Speaker 2: third string cornerback over there that you're trying to protect
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Speaker 2: in Me andm I Pritchett, right, So you're trying to
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Speaker 2: roll the safety over the top and play a coverage
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Speaker 2: I'm calling kick six cover six kick, which means you
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Speaker 2: roll to the strong side and you have a safety
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Speaker 2: of the top. But that leaves one on one with
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Speaker 2: Job against a mecha Buca, and a mecha Buka has
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Speaker 2: free access, so he's gonna run up on you. Even
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Speaker 2: though it's third and twelve. He's gonna fake the sixth step,
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Speaker 2: speed out, third inside step, which Job has to honor
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Speaker 2: because because you know he could go over the and
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Speaker 2: complete that thing for twelve yards. But Mecca runs an
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Speaker 2: amazing route one step instead of three on his out
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Speaker 2: and up. He makes that decision on the fly. He's
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Speaker 2: up the top and there's no safety over the help
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Speaker 2: because you're rolling it. And and by the way, you
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Speaker 2: know they they coached Okada. He was he was in
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Speaker 2: a term called poachs where he's looking to the three
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Speaker 2: receiver side. There wasn't any real threat there. He could
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Speaker 2: have backed off so you got ocada number of times
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Speaker 2: just kind of you know, poor instincts and you give
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Speaker 2: up a fifty seven yard But to answer your question,
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Speaker 2: that would be an example of yes, you're trying to
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Speaker 2: cover for a backup corner, but you know what, the
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Speaker 2: Buccaneers at backup corners as well.
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Speaker 3: Hugh Melani is with us SARK QB one Monday morning
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Speaker 3: quarterback session. We're going an hour with Hugh today on
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Speaker 3: yesterday's loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers thirty eight to
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Speaker 3: thirty five, a game in which Sam Darnold and Baker
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Speaker 3: Mayfield put on a show yesterday. And look, I don't
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Speaker 3: know we'll go chronologically through some of these plays that
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Speaker 3: Mayfield made against our defense, but certainly the one that
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Speaker 3: I circled is that drive right before the two minute marker,
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Speaker 3: Right around the two minute mark of the game. I mean,
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Speaker 3: that was about as easy as it gets. I mean,
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Speaker 3: you go five plays, you complete four out of five passes,
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Speaker 3: you go seventy yards. I mean, you just knifed through
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Speaker 3: the second best defense in terms of points allowed in
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Speaker 3: the National Football League with really very little resistance at all.
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Speaker 3: From the twenty five yarder to Abuka to the twenty
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Speaker 3: five yard er to Autun to the touchdown to Shepherd.
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Speaker 3: I mean that drive just way too easy and sort
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Speaker 3: of emblematic of what you're talking about.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, as I'm looking at all the
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Speaker 2: big plays, you've got the coverages, they're all different. I
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Speaker 2: mean you got cover six, Cover thirty three, Tampa two,
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Speaker 2: Cover Sick, Cover one, Robbert Cover thirty three, Blaze, like
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Speaker 2: these are my terminology, but but it's all different. But
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Speaker 2: on that on that first one to Abuca, you've got
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Speaker 2: uh u uh, the Seahorks are and playing a cover six,
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Speaker 2: which is a role to the to one half and
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Speaker 2: and then you're playing quarters. That might not mean anything did,
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Speaker 2: but it's a it's a it's a a rolled covered zone.
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Speaker 2: But you've got to have a hole. There's a hole
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Speaker 2: there between Ernest Jones and Tyree s Knight that is
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Speaker 2: just way too wide and and Tyree Knight he reacts up. Uh.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of a sucker play where you you have
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Speaker 2: a little hitch in front of you at five yards,
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Speaker 2: but then you got a Mecca Abuka in behind you,
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Speaker 2: and so you have you have too much of a
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Speaker 2: reaction by night and so a mecha Buka comes wide
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Speaker 2: open into this hole. And and as I said, night was,
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Speaker 2: Jones was pushing too far to the three receiver side
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Speaker 2: for that cover. He was playing as this for the
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Speaker 2: football coaches out there, as if there was quarters on
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Speaker 2: both sides and there's only three under but he's got
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Speaker 2: a corner to one side, so he doesn't have to
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Speaker 2: push as far to the three receiver side anyways, huge
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Speaker 2: hole there, but that's a zone coverage breakdown and and
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Speaker 2: poor communication. And then on the on the autumn they
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Speaker 2: have uh for twenty five yards that that that you
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Speaker 2: just mentioned. They're in cover one with a robber with
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Speaker 2: a safety coming down. That's what the robbers. So you
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Speaker 2: get a deep safety and a shallow safety. Everybody else
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Speaker 2: is man to man to to Baker Mayfield's right, he's
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Speaker 2: got three receivers. Ernest Jones is the inside. So so
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Speaker 2: Ernest Jones he has he he has man a man.
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Speaker 2: His guy goes out. Emon Worry is the next guy
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Speaker 2: outside of him, and he goes to transfer and as
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Speaker 2: this and as if to say, Emon Worry, you take
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Speaker 2: that guy. I'll take your guy because they're crossing. I'll
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Speaker 2: take what's called the final number three. The the third
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Speaker 2: receiver counting from the outside. Ernest Jones was saying, I'll
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Speaker 2: take final three, you take two. But that's not what happened.
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Speaker 2: You had Emon Worry didn't take the two to the flat,
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Speaker 2: and so you had two guys covering three again counting
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Speaker 2: outside in. And then when Baker Mayfield on you know
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Speaker 2: that was a common theme and critical downs, he can't
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Speaker 2: keep him contained and so he breaks the pocket. And
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Speaker 2: now all of a sudden he looks over and he
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Speaker 2: sees ought like, oh, they're in mand of man coverage.
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Speaker 2: What's by the way, they played less than a handful
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Speaker 2: of times the whole game, but they're in mand and
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Speaker 2: man for one of the very rare times on either
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Speaker 2: tape or in this game. And they busted nobody's covering
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Speaker 2: at and I'll just dump it to him in the flat,
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Speaker 2: and of course he gets the twenty five yards and
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Speaker 2: then the final the touchdown that was also man and man.
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Speaker 2: But you let him out of the pocket. And you
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Speaker 2: know what the NFL in their stat portal, I looked
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Speaker 2: it up. The NFL has it officially five point one seconds.
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Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. You can't play man and
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Speaker 2: man for five point one seconds. That is on the
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Speaker 2: pass rush, you've got to contain and so I don't
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Speaker 2: put You know, Baker Mayfield, you know what when he
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Speaker 2: sees something developing off script, he's got the guts. He
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Speaker 2: plays with no fear and he just you know a
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Speaker 2: lot of quarterbacks with second guess, Hey do I really
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Speaker 2: have it? Is the safety going to loom over? He
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Speaker 2: saw it was open, he knifed it in there, got
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Speaker 2: the touchdown. But you can't let him outside the pocket
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Speaker 2: and give him five point one seconds?
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Speaker 4: Well, how I mean, you've kind of discussed a lot
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Speaker 4: of different stuff and I'm following where you're at. But
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Speaker 4: if they're having a hard time getting to the quarterback,
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Speaker 4: which then means you got to try to cover for longer,
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Speaker 4: which you can't do. So now you're gonna catch twenty
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Speaker 4: two Because it seemed to me like they were picking
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Speaker 4: apart in the zone that they were running on a
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Speaker 4: zone and they were picking it apart. Did they have
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Speaker 4: to run the zone because they were trying to send
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Speaker 4: extra guys to get to the quarterbacks so they didn't
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Speaker 4: have to try to cover for six seconds?
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Speaker 2: Well, they only they only rushed blitzed four times and
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Speaker 2: a five or five or more four times, and where's
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Speaker 2: my stats on it was? It was three for four
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Speaker 2: for I think sixty Yeah. Here it is three for
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Speaker 2: four sixty eight yards in a touchdown. So when they
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Speaker 2: did blitz, it wasn't effective. I mean one of them,
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Speaker 2: one of those wide open the middle was a it
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Speaker 2: was a three under and two deep. They rushed six
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Speaker 2: and they tried to play zone with I just can't
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Speaker 2: express to you enough. If you don't know a lot
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Speaker 2: of football, standard zone is seven guys, could be three deep,
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Speaker 2: four under, could be four deep, three under, could be
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Speaker 2: two deep, five underd but standard zone is five. Sometimes
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Speaker 2: a lot of teams play with eight zone. You drop eight,
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Speaker 2: rush three. The idea that you would play zone with
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Speaker 2: just five guys. The holes are so gigantic, and yet
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Speaker 2: you don't get to the You better get to the
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Speaker 2: quarterback fast. So the Buccaneers did a great job of
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Speaker 2: past protection, I mean a great job and uh so, yeah,
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Speaker 2: there was a two deep three underzone. I looked up
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Speaker 2: the like, how often does the NFL do that? There's
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Speaker 2: been five attempts this season in all of the NFL
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Speaker 2: twenty three for all of last season running a two
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Speaker 2: deep three under zone it's a very uncommon coverage. And
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Speaker 2: guess what, Baker Mayfield, you know, just shredded it. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you know, I would love to have you. You know, look,
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Speaker 2: I'm just you know, hacked journeyman, but I would love
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Speaker 2: to have you play a five man zone. You know,
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Speaker 2: bring the pressure. I'll get rid of it quick. There's
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Speaker 2: gonna be so many gigantic holes back there that as
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Speaker 2: long as I have an awareness of, like, hey, somebody's
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Speaker 2: got to pop open, just get rid of the damn ball,
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Speaker 2: put my back foot in the ground and just throw
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Speaker 2: it somewhere, you're gonna find somebody open. So yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I mean they were doing a lot of things, trying
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Speaker 2: to to make amends for their injuries, and you know,
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Speaker 2: Emon worried. You know, he made some nice plays, but
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Speaker 2: you know there was a big dagger play on a
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Speaker 2: third what was it, third and thirteen. I don't know
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Speaker 2: who's number fifteen chuck for them, but a big dagger
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Speaker 2: play and Emon, yeah, uh, Emon Worry. And the you know,
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Speaker 2: it's a five under defense and he's the cruel defender,
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Speaker 2: so you're thrown over here, Emon Worry kind of he
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Speaker 2: gets sucked up on a on on a shallow defender.
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Speaker 2: That's what you're That's kind of the essence of zone
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Speaker 2: coverage when you're trying to hit it intermediate, show somebody
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Speaker 2: shallow to get your attention because that's where your eyes are.
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Speaker 2: You don't have eyes in the back of your head.
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Speaker 2: And then uh and then run somebody in behind your
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Speaker 2: helmet and and so that was just happening too often.
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Speaker 2: I mean, uh, I know, we're getting close to the end.
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Speaker 2: So so let me let me just take myself to
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Speaker 2: that the touchdown pass that that that a Mecca had
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Speaker 2: in the in the back of the end zone, right, yes, yeah,
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Speaker 2: third third and fifteen from the twenty yard line, and okay,
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Speaker 2: so balls on the left hash and this, by the way,
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Speaker 2: was the same pass concept that that Tampa Bay beat
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Speaker 2: the Falcons with it with a minute to go. So
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Speaker 2: I promise you they looked at this tape. I promised
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Speaker 2: to you that they on Friday, which is red zone Day,
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Speaker 2: I promised you they ran this play. Now, the plan
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Speaker 2: was in that play against Atlanta, the corner had been
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Speaker 2: off coverage. They allowed a Mecca, who's the widest receiver,
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Speaker 2: the number one receiver. It's trips right from Baker Macer's
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Speaker 2: field's perspective, it's left hash and my number one receiver
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Speaker 2: is a mecho again number one mean meaning not Jersey number.
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Speaker 2: Not that he's the best, but he's the closest to
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Speaker 2: the sideline. And against Atlanta he gets free access. He
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Speaker 2: nods in and that coverage he's able to take it
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Speaker 2: over the top to the post. The Seahawks played that coverage,
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Speaker 2: but they said, well, let's press and so but again
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Speaker 2: you've got Pritchett. He presses and he barely gets any
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Speaker 2: any jam at the line of scrimmage. He allows an
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Speaker 2: inside release and then and then the safety to that side.
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Speaker 2: This is a this is a cover four beater, a
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Speaker 2: quarters beater to that side, which means there's a safety
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Speaker 2: on that side. But he's not. He he's got to
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Speaker 2: play man to man if the slot receiver comes in
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Speaker 2: up on him on depth and and and and yet
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Speaker 2: the way the way the coverage, oh gosh, I wish
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Speaker 2: I had a whiteboard here. This is how it breaks down.
19:36
Speaker 2: You have you have Kobe Bryant is the safety on
19:41
Speaker 2: that side. He has the slot receiver come up on him,
19:45
Speaker 2: so he carried uh, he covers him. But there's he
19:49
Speaker 2: has help from the other side. In Okada, the term
19:52
Speaker 2: is called poach. Poach is where Ocada is going to
19:56
Speaker 2: be lined up on the single receiver side, away from
19:58
Speaker 2: the trips. Again from the offensive perspectives trips right, Okada
20:02
Speaker 2: is going to read anybody crossing over because the the
20:06
Speaker 2: split out on Okada side runs a shallow cross, so
20:09
Speaker 2: there's nothing vertical. So so if Kobe Bryant, as a veteran,
20:13
Speaker 2: would say, he should be able to feel like, Okay,
20:16
Speaker 2: I know I'm gonna get help from Okada. You can
20:20
Speaker 2: pause the tape on that a Meca touchdown, and you
20:23
Speaker 2: could say, Ernest Jones does a beautiful job of handing
20:26
Speaker 2: off the flat to UH to aim and worry and
20:29
Speaker 2: getting back underneath the slot UH inside breaking route. So
20:34
Speaker 2: Ernest Jones does a great job. Ocada does a great
20:37
Speaker 2: job approaching. It's not a hard job because the man
20:39
Speaker 2: over him doesn't go vertical. The man that runs a
20:41
Speaker 2: shallow cross. It's but Kobe Bryant, he he he knife
20:47
Speaker 2: see it on the slot as if it's it's pure
20:50
Speaker 2: man to man. And so there's you could from the
20:53
Speaker 2: end zone. You could pause the tape through we got
20:54
Speaker 2: three guys covering the slot. But we got Pretchett, man
20:59
Speaker 2: and man against the mecca. Does that make sense to you?
21:02
Speaker 2: Let me say that again, three guys covering the middle
21:04
Speaker 2: guy I think it was godwins. So he's a pretty
21:06
Speaker 2: good receiver. But then one on one with no like
21:10
Speaker 2: on a post where by the way, Pritchett allows an
21:13
Speaker 2: inside release on an inbreaking route, so he's got poor
21:16
Speaker 2: leverage just from the jump. And and so I promise
21:20
Speaker 2: you they practiced that because of that touchdown the game
21:23
Speaker 2: winner against the Falcons, and and they still didn't execute
21:26
Speaker 2: it with third and fifteen at the twenty, and so
21:31
Speaker 2: you know, it was just that kind of day. And
21:33
Speaker 2: I mean there's a long list of stuff. I got
21:36
Speaker 2: a Baker Mayfield, you know, quick blitzes or quick pressure.
21:40
Speaker 2: He just hits the slot, little hits for six or
21:43
Speaker 2: seven yards, keep the chains moving. I mean there, you know,
21:46
Speaker 2: what were they on third downs for a team? I
21:50
Speaker 2: mean I mentioned the past stats, but you know that
21:55
Speaker 2: they were seven four level sixty four percent. That's you know,
21:58
Speaker 2: you know, if you go sixty four percent by a
22:00
Speaker 2: seat for the season, you'll be number one in the
22:02
Speaker 2: NFL by ten points. Like you'll lap the field. If
22:06
Speaker 2: you do that, that's that's how bad Seattle was. So
22:09
Speaker 2: at any event you saw it, there's there's there's so
22:12
Speaker 2: many breakdowns. But Seattle tried a lot of stuff. I'm
22:15
Speaker 2: gonna tell you that that mostly zone, But they tried
22:19
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff and they just did not communicate
22:22
Speaker 2: route concepts. Well whatsoever. Lot I was sitting there saying,
22:27
Speaker 2: you couldn't you couldn't hit Baker Makefield with the tennis
22:29
Speaker 2: record or whatever the hell out you know a lacrosse
22:32
Speaker 2: defenceman's racket which is bucky you no longer than a
22:36
Speaker 2: regular racket, right like. But you could also say the
22:39
Speaker 2: same thing for guys catching the ball down the field.
22:42
Speaker 2: At the moment they touched the ball, freeze the tape,
22:44
Speaker 2: there's nobody around them. It was just an utter, catastrophic
22:49
Speaker 2: breakdown in past defense.
22:50
Speaker 3: Well, Baker may the numbers reflect at twenty nine for
22:52
Speaker 3: thirty three three and seventy nine yards two touchdowns. But
22:56
Speaker 3: our guy put up some pretty fat numbers as well.
22:59
Speaker 3: So we'll talk talk about Sam Darnold, including that late
23:02
Speaker 3: interception next with Hugh mellon Monday Morning Quarterback session rolls on.
23:08
Speaker 3: All right, we got some Mariners stalk coming away in
23:10
Speaker 3: the nine o'clock hour.
23:11
Speaker 2: We'll go all Mariners nine o'clock.
23:13
Speaker 3: Ryan Healy's gonna join us at nine thirty. We'll break
23:15
Speaker 3: down the weekend for you there. But of course we're
23:18
Speaker 3: doing a little Monday Morning Quarterback session as well, or
23:20
Speaker 3: QB one. Hugh Millan is with us for this hour.
23:23
Speaker 3: We've gotten through the porous defense portion of this hour,
23:28
Speaker 3: and now let's talk about our quarterback, who was brilliant yesterday.
23:32
Speaker 3: Twenty eight completions, thirty four attempts, three hundred and forty
23:35
Speaker 3: one passing yards, four touchdowns, but then a costly interception
23:39
Speaker 3: at the end of the game which destroyed a drive
23:43
Speaker 3: in any chance of winning the game. Sam was great,
23:47
Speaker 3: Hugh yesterday. How much blame do we have to put
23:50
Speaker 3: on him for that pick in a crucial moment.
23:54
Speaker 2: Well, I think there's some blamed for sure. We'll get
23:57
Speaker 2: to that. I think in the postgame show, you know,
24:02
Speaker 2: you see it live and then you see the uh
24:05
Speaker 2: the replay. And I think Trent Green is a really
24:08
Speaker 2: good guy. I think he's very thin in his analysis,
24:11
Speaker 2: and and you know, the way they showed it, it
24:15
Speaker 2: looked like there was a cream off the buccaneer helmet,
24:20
Speaker 2: and and you know he was intending to go to
24:23
Speaker 2: point A to point b uh and and so I
24:26
Speaker 2: think that had it not hit the buccaneer's helmet, I
24:28
Speaker 2: think that he dirts the ball lands on the ground.
24:31
Speaker 2: It was second and one fifty eight seconds remaining, and
24:35
Speaker 2: you're trying to go down and get a field goal, right,
24:38
Speaker 2: and but you know a couple of things going on
24:42
Speaker 2: there from a quarterback perspective. If I if I'll take
24:44
Speaker 2: you into what the quarterback meeting room would look like.
24:48
Speaker 2: They it squeezed formations where you had a Cooper cup
24:52
Speaker 2: down in close to the left tackle cross that there,
24:56
Speaker 2: there's there's a four down lineman and and then there's
25:00
Speaker 2: four second layered defenders. The protection that Seattle was in
25:05
Speaker 2: was is a very common protection where you basically say, hey,
25:08
Speaker 2: we got we got a six man protection. We're gonna
25:11
Speaker 2: send the center to the right and the back charbonnet
25:15
Speaker 2: is gonna who's lined up on the left, he has
25:18
Speaker 2: he has any blitzer off the left side, and so
25:21
Speaker 2: in that in that protection, you you definitely think of
25:24
Speaker 2: it like I got three strong and I got three
25:27
Speaker 2: week So if they bring four strong or four week.
25:30
Speaker 2: I got trouble, got me and so and and so
25:34
Speaker 2: the weak side would be in this case would be
25:37
Speaker 2: Darnold's left side, the side to the running back because
25:39
Speaker 2: the tight end is to the right, even though he's
25:41
Speaker 2: not blocking. So so, so I'm just saying how we
25:44
Speaker 2: would talk in a quarterback meeting room. Okay, we we
25:46
Speaker 2: got three, we got three week handled, we got four.
25:49
Speaker 2: We we can't handle four week. They they they blitzed,
25:53
Speaker 2: you know, a veteran safety coming off the edge, and
25:56
Speaker 2: that constitutes four week. And so now you say you've
26:00
Speaker 2: got to throw it to You got to throw the
26:03
Speaker 2: to the hot to the side of where they're blitzing,
26:06
Speaker 2: because it can get really dangerous to say, well, I've
26:09
Speaker 2: got four week, but I'm gonna throw the hot away.
26:13
Speaker 2: I'm gonna turn my eyes away from that. That is
26:16
Speaker 2: generally not how your coach. So so Darnold, he said
26:20
Speaker 2: he could have thrown it to Horton out out on
26:23
Speaker 2: an out route to the right side. That's true. And
26:26
Speaker 2: if a guy comes from depth, there are times you
26:28
Speaker 2: can break the rule. It's like E before E except
26:31
Speaker 2: after C. Right, you've heard that, Well, there's a ton
26:34
Speaker 2: of words that that break that rule. I'll give you
26:37
Speaker 2: one science. So let's break down the science of this play.
26:41
Speaker 2: Had Tory Hart Horton, he is playing with his inside
26:46
Speaker 2: leg back, so on his speed out, it's either you
26:49
Speaker 2: know what, usually it's your inside leg is forward, and
26:54
Speaker 2: it's either a four step or six step out. Like
26:56
Speaker 2: I'd said a mecha book. On that six step out
26:59
Speaker 2: out and up, it's a gray area, Chuck buck that
27:04
Speaker 2: if you have a five step speed out, whether I
27:07
Speaker 2: can recognize I have pressure off my left, but I'm
27:13
Speaker 2: gonna throw to wide open receiver. The Buccaneers are going
27:16
Speaker 2: a three D three under zone, and so trying to
27:20
Speaker 2: throw to Horton, Then what happens if he gets ear
27:24
Speaker 2: hold and he's looking behind. I mean, you already had
27:27
Speaker 2: a situation a fumble against the forty nine ers where
27:30
Speaker 2: Donald was looking to his left. Now it wasn't a blitz.
27:33
Speaker 2: It wasn't on Donald Abe Lucas got forklift, and I
27:36
Speaker 2: don't understand how people can blame that on Sam Darnald.
27:39
Speaker 2: He's in the process of throwing if his hand gets hit.
27:42
Speaker 2: He's not a running back. You don't hold him to
27:44
Speaker 2: the same standard of a running back. That he fumbled
27:47
Speaker 2: to say that he choked at the end of that game.
27:50
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just I'm gonna wear out my forehead
27:52
Speaker 2: with my palm on that assertion. But again to the
27:55
Speaker 2: point of you want to be throwing into the pressure.
27:58
Speaker 2: And so Cooper up, he runs a little And by
28:02
Speaker 2: the way, nice job of designing by the Buccaneers. They
28:05
Speaker 2: take a page out of Mike McDonald's play. But because
28:08
Speaker 2: the guy who's on IF again quarterback meeting room, Sam,
28:12
Speaker 2: who's who's the curl flat defender on our left? We
28:14
Speaker 2: got three deep three under it. Curl flat is is
28:17
Speaker 2: is shallowing to my left, curl flat shallowing to the right,
28:19
Speaker 2: and then we got a hook zone defender in the middle.
28:21
Speaker 2: Those are the three shallow defenders. The the curl flat
28:25
Speaker 2: player to my left, Donald's left. He started from the
28:29
Speaker 2: b gap on on on the right side of the
28:33
Speaker 2: and so the DeVante David is on my right, but
28:36
Speaker 2: he's buzzing out all the way to look, that's Mike
28:38
Speaker 2: McDonald's stuff right there. And and so he gets to
28:42
Speaker 2: a spot he jams up Cooper Cup. I thought Cup
28:46
Speaker 2: should have you know, he he knew it was a blitz.
28:49
Speaker 2: He should have not tried to get more depth, so
28:51
Speaker 2: he tried to go up the field at the time David.
28:53
Speaker 2: By the way David grabbed his shoulder should have been
28:56
Speaker 2: uh uh, defensive holding should be like like that official
29:00
Speaker 2: will get a minus a double minus because he missed
29:05
Speaker 2: that the LaMonte Dort just yanked. He materially impeded his progress.
29:10
Speaker 2: So at any rate, so now Donald is coming up,
29:12
Speaker 2: He's just trying to dirt the ball and he throws
29:15
Speaker 2: it and it's just you know what, sometimes, as I
29:18
Speaker 2: said last night in the post game, philosophically, you have
29:21
Speaker 2: to decide his luck part of sports and and and
29:24
Speaker 2: how do you feel about luck? Is luck? Part of baseball?
29:27
Speaker 2: Is luck part of golf? Like like you you you
29:30
Speaker 2: know you at the British Open, you you miss uh
29:34
Speaker 2: clearing the bunker by six inches. They would have rolled fine,
29:37
Speaker 2: but you plug it, you know, six inches below like
29:40
Speaker 2: like you said, well it's a bad shot. Well it's
29:42
Speaker 2: also a little bit unlucky, right, Like, so where does
29:44
Speaker 2: luck play? Sam Donald had the ball kareem off that
29:49
Speaker 2: he was throwing it to point A in space, and
29:53
Speaker 2: the kareem off the helmet caused the ball to go
29:57
Speaker 2: to point B, and I think it was an enough
30:00
Speaker 2: to mean an interception. But there's a lot going on there.
30:04
Speaker 2: I tried to describe some of the elements. But from
30:06
Speaker 2: a quarterback perspective, he's going to say, well, I wish
30:09
Speaker 2: I would have directed a different protection. But guess what
30:13
Speaker 2: there was the threat because of the squeeze formation. There
30:16
Speaker 2: was a thread of four week to the left side,
30:19
Speaker 2: and there was a thread of four strong. So if
30:20
Speaker 2: he had to handle that, if you knew in the
30:22
Speaker 2: aftermath that they were gonna run that blitzwell you'd say,
30:25
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call my protection where I put my center
30:27
Speaker 2: to the left and my back to the left. Now
30:30
Speaker 2: I can handle four week, but I but I cannot
30:33
Speaker 2: handle three strong to the right. If I can't handle
30:37
Speaker 2: three strong, obviously they're only you know, my right guard
30:40
Speaker 2: and right tackle. That's my two on my right, But
30:43
Speaker 2: I can't handle another one's That would be Monday morning. Quarterback, say, Sam,
30:47
Speaker 2: you should have said sent the center and a running
30:50
Speaker 2: back to the left side, because then you could have
30:51
Speaker 2: handled the four week. Well, guess what, they could have
30:53
Speaker 2: ran three strong. They could have ran four strong, and
30:56
Speaker 2: then you would add the same problem right just on
30:59
Speaker 2: a different side, So you know, it's just kind of
31:02
Speaker 2: one of those things that happens in ball, and it
31:03
Speaker 2: happened at the wrong time for CP. Yeah, no doubt
31:05
Speaker 2: about it.
31:06
Speaker 3: Otherwise, he was just a tremendous More on the quarterbacks,
31:08
Speaker 3: and our final segment of Monday Morning Quarterback Today coming
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Speaker 3: up on the other side. Hre Millin with US Sports
31:14
Speaker 3: Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, all right, just one
31:28
Speaker 3: more segment of but Monday Morning Quarterback Today. We're gonna
31:31
Speaker 3: talk to baseball in our nine o'clock hour, But we
31:33
Speaker 3: had to lean on our QB one to talk about
31:35
Speaker 3: that thrilling loss, unfortunately to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Seventy
31:39
Speaker 3: three points put on the board. Unfortunately the Buccaneers end
31:43
Speaker 3: up with three points more, thirty eight to thirty five
31:45
Speaker 3: the final. But man, what a show put on by
31:48
Speaker 3: former Carolina Panthers teammates Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield. We've
31:52
Speaker 3: already talked about what Mayfield did to our defense. Sam
31:55
Speaker 3: did similar things to theirs.
31:57
Speaker 2: Hugh, Yeah, and I think that we're seeing that the
32:01
Speaker 2: idea that he could really be the Seahak quarterback for
32:03
Speaker 2: a long time. You know, he just freshly turned twenty eight.
32:06
Speaker 2: I mean he has a fifty three yard or that
32:08
Speaker 2: seam route that he threw it to JSN. He threw
32:11
Speaker 2: that so early because it was a safety high and
32:14
Speaker 2: deep at the anticipation. Beautiful ball that boot left though,
32:17
Speaker 2: the one he hit to Derek Young where he got
32:20
Speaker 2: his arm hit for thirty six yards over by the sideline.
32:23
Speaker 2: I mean, what's the probability on that with that running
32:26
Speaker 2: to his left with the guy in his face. Unbelievable
32:28
Speaker 2: degree of difficulty. How about the over route to Cooper
32:30
Speaker 2: Cup and man coverage where he had to step up
32:32
Speaker 2: He wasn't even on balance. And now, hell of a
32:36
Speaker 2: catch by Cup over by the Sea Owks sideline. But
32:38
Speaker 2: that's a man to man beater twenty four yards. The
32:41
Speaker 2: boot left. One play, he had a boot left where
32:44
Speaker 2: he had to pull up right in a quarterback pull up.
32:47
Speaker 2: He goes to the fourth receiver. It's his JSN on
32:50
Speaker 2: the backside end route into a tight zone. There's defenders
32:54
Speaker 2: all over. He puts his stuffs the ball in the
32:56
Speaker 2: mailbox for twenty two yards and then that touchdown passed.
33:00
Speaker 2: We had to to Horton with three twenty five to go.
33:04
Speaker 2: In the game, fourth and two at the plus twenty one,
33:06
Speaker 2: you got Charles Cross got beat early in the play.
33:09
Speaker 2: Charbonnet whiffs. There's pressure all around him, guys, you know,
33:13
Speaker 2: guys in his face, his arm. That was heroic. He
33:16
Speaker 2: finds a way to produce a touchdown out of what
33:19
Speaker 2: could have been a sack. Three times over. I look,
33:23
Speaker 2: the guy's playing his freaking ass off, and you know,
33:27
Speaker 2: you could really see how this guy's playing himself into
33:30
Speaker 2: being as I said, you know, you know, I don't know,
33:33
Speaker 2: three four five, six year quarterback for the Seahawks.
33:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been just sensational. It seems to be getting
33:38
Speaker 3: better every week. I do have to ask you. We
33:40
Speaker 3: haven't had a chance to talk about this. We only
33:42
Speaker 3: got a couple of minutes left on Seahawks today, So
33:45
Speaker 3: I just want to ask you. I mean, you were
33:46
Speaker 3: struggling getting on the board yesterday, you finally had a
33:50
Speaker 3: drive going, and then all of a sudden, you summon
33:52
Speaker 3: Jalen Milroe off the bench for an option pitch left.
33:56
Speaker 3: Did it seem like strange timing to you?
33:59
Speaker 2: Well, it's like strange timing first and ten at the
34:01
Speaker 2: thirty eight for all the reasons you discussed. But I
34:04
Speaker 2: hate the scheme. If you're gonna run a speed option,
34:08
Speaker 2: I like the speed option in one of two ways.
34:11
Speaker 2: Put run away from the trips receivers, run to the
34:14
Speaker 2: single receiver side, induce the overfront and people pushing to
34:19
Speaker 2: the formation, and then go to the backside. And then
34:23
Speaker 2: you've got to uh, you've got to attack the nd
34:26
Speaker 2: man on the line of scrimmage. The angles are better
34:28
Speaker 2: if you if you attack the open side. What's the
34:30
Speaker 2: open side away from the tight end, you're coming downhill more.
34:34
Speaker 2: The pitch relationship is better. Here's the problems. I know
34:37
Speaker 2: you said we have just a couple of minutes. They
34:38
Speaker 2: were in a pistol formation, so you had Canine. He
34:42
Speaker 2: had to sprint as fast as he could and so
34:44
Speaker 2: the relation the pitch relationship was not forty five degrees
34:47
Speaker 2: because of the formation. Canine was a little behind him
34:50
Speaker 2: and out of the vision of of of Milrow. Yeah,
34:55
Speaker 2: Derek Young misses the end man online scrimmers, but you're
34:57
Speaker 2: not option anybody. Option football is eve one man unblocked.
35:01
Speaker 2: Let the quarterback and attack his inside arm pit, make
35:05
Speaker 2: that guy freeze and then pitch it out. So they
35:07
Speaker 2: didn't even really really try and run an option because
35:11
Speaker 2: they didn't option off of anybody. They the angles because
35:15
Speaker 2: they're running at the tight end and they're running to
35:17
Speaker 2: the trips receivers. Now you have Darnold trying and give
35:19
Speaker 2: some some eye candy by going in motion. But you
35:23
Speaker 2: still had an overload because you're running to the tight
35:26
Speaker 2: end side, You're you're flowing on a speed ups the
35:30
Speaker 2: quarterback sprinting out. They haven't Milroe hasn't thrown run the
35:33
Speaker 2: ball yet, so it's essentially a wildcat. And so while
35:36
Speaker 2: you're running laterally because of this wide formation that everybody
35:40
Speaker 2: who's flowing to the quarterback is also flowing to Canine.
35:43
Speaker 2: And then finally you had you had the non dominant
35:46
Speaker 2: right handed quarterback pitching. Uh you know, three sins on
35:51
Speaker 2: the pitch. Too hot, too fast behind the guy, and
35:56
Speaker 2: too high. So so I don't put that on Canine whatsoever.
35:59
Speaker 2: All for all the reasons there, I think it was
36:01
Speaker 2: an ill fated play. The other reason I like it
36:03
Speaker 2: is if it's all out blitz again to the weak
36:05
Speaker 2: side where there's nobody there, then you can option off
36:08
Speaker 2: the end man. But very ill. Look, you just don't
36:12
Speaker 2: see do you see that from Kyler Murray. Do you
36:13
Speaker 2: see that from Lamar Jackson? Do you see that from
36:16
Speaker 2: any of these athletic quarterbacks a speed option in the NFL?
36:19
Speaker 2: I don't. If you do it, it's it's exceedingly rare.
36:22
Speaker 2: So I think there's a reason why it's rare. And
36:25
Speaker 2: I'll just close with this with Milroe. He there's some
36:28
Speaker 2: people who talked about him pushing to be the starter
36:32
Speaker 2: in training camp a lah Russell Wilson. That obviously didn't materialize.
36:36
Speaker 2: He didn't even push number two. And now we've we're
36:39
Speaker 2: five games into this season. He's played three plays, and
36:44
Speaker 2: based on the formula for yards based on the down
36:47
Speaker 2: and distance, there has not been a successful play of
36:51
Speaker 2: those three. We're five games into this haven't had a
36:54
Speaker 2: successful play from Milroe. Hasn't challenged the backup let alone
36:59
Speaker 2: the starter look finite corno opus. That is the end
37:03
Speaker 2: crowns the work. Our ancestors for thousands of years have
37:06
Speaker 2: been trying to jump the gun. So I don't want
37:08
Speaker 2: to commit that fallacy. There's a lot of time for
37:10
Speaker 2: Jaylen Milroll, but you have to say at this juncture
37:13
Speaker 2: what you thought you might have had from Jaylen Murroll
37:17
Speaker 2: we've seen none of it yet. Yeah, great stuff.
37:20
Speaker 3: Thank you, Hugh.
37:20
Speaker 2: We appreciate it. Hugh.
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