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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 374 - Web Of Intrigue · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: Repent of any saint's juice to get up the true
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  Speaker 1: down a rabbit hole from the junis the mob David
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  Speaker 1: bery Rood, best foods in.
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  Speaker 2: The pure, when the sea.
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  Speaker 3: It's rainy nights, ship the lights, the breaks at sids,
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  Speaker 3: never been rides, friend, the basting and the fun free
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  Speaker 3: of the tunic, and here we go.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what to say now, and thank you Roger.
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  Speaker 4: We appreciate it for a second for.
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  Speaker 2: Me, Well, I thought about it, Joe, and I think
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  Speaker 2: for the continuation of what's that? What's that? What's the
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  Speaker 2: term where you have consecutive consonant sounds?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: That means me, damn it. I'm sure the audience some
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  Speaker 2: some folks will know what we're saying. Consecutive consonants. There's
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  Speaker 2: a term for it. But after just says and here
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  Speaker 2: we go, maybe I should come on here and say.
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  Speaker 5: Hi, Joe, or we could say and here we go
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  Speaker 5: in Spanish, which would be somewhat appropriate.
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  Speaker 2: What do you say that?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, because we focus focus a lot on Cuban exiles,
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  Speaker 4: I know that will be some of our focus tonight.
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  Speaker 4: I just couldn't figure out and here we go in Spanish?
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  Speaker 4: And time so that's to end an Oh, so that's true.
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  Speaker 4: If it's not on Fuego, I don't know. We'll figure
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  Speaker 4: it out, how relation.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Norman? God damn it alliteration? Yes, how are you, sir?
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  Speaker 4: Happy Friday?
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  Speaker 2: Ny and Norman? You got it? I am well, sir,
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  Speaker 2: for a windy, windy as Friday night. I figured I'd
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  Speaker 2: put us in the cozy studio tonight, Joe. You know,
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  Speaker 2: everybody feels nice and toasty by the fire and then
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  Speaker 2: out the window and make love in the bear skin
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  Speaker 2: rug if so desired.
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  Speaker 4: I imagine that's what Scott's background is.
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  Speaker 2: But background in real life, Yeah, in real life.
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  Speaker 4: But let's welcome the medal winners.
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  Speaker 2: In av Yeah, that doesn't that doesn't rhyme?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, South to West got the gold medal. Congratulations sir.
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  Speaker 4: And how are you the double B number two?
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  Speaker 2: Brandon?
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  Speaker 4: What's up?
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  Speaker 2: Money?
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  Speaker 4: And Trey again? I guess that's why they call me Trey.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you know dose Trey.
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  Speaker 4: Uh? Do you remember that line from do you know
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  Speaker 4: the movie Stripes? I know that definitely doesn't outdate you.
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 2: I remember when it came out, Joe.
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  Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, but the drill star goes,
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  Speaker 4: I noticed her only last, he goes, I'm piecing myself.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's a great, great, great movie. It's a great movie.
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  Speaker 4: The second half falls off a little bit, to be honest,
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  Speaker 4: but it is a great movie, mister James Smith.
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  Speaker 2: Not as good as Porky's but close.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Tiny Dancer, Happy Friday, everyone, Yes, indeed one is ready.
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  Speaker 4: Sally across the pond. No metal for Sally, but we
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  Speaker 4: love you anyway, hope all as well. Hope the kiddies
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  Speaker 4: are well.
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  Speaker 2: We translate her, let me translate her comment, what's up?
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  Speaker 2: I mean over here that means what's up?
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  Speaker 4: Anthony Thripp, who is enjoying the morning in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: I believe God bless you. You covered selling son of
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  Speaker 2: a bit.
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  Speaker 4: You you.
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  Speaker 2: Know what could be flying tonight with David Faery. That's right,
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  Speaker 2: we know it's coming down outside the window. Over there
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  Speaker 2: behind Jose.
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  Speaker 4: Paula ready with Italian sausage, pasta and a nice Chianti.
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  Speaker 2: What's his name? Paula just saying.
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  Speaker 4: My question is hot Italian sausage or sweet Italian sausage?
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  Speaker 4: Because tomorrow Rob I am going to my family's annual
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  Speaker 4: meatball dinner and it has hot sausage, delucious homemade meatballs
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  Speaker 4: by my aunt, I guess and technically cousin and brazol
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  Speaker 4: and uh we we we do. All the cousins do
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  Speaker 4: a contest to see who could eat the most, and
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  Speaker 4: we stopped it after a bunch of us threw up
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  Speaker 4: one night. Roger, what's up, buddy, Yeah, let's go, Harold,
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  Speaker 4: what's up, buddy? Zendar hellosendor, howdy do you do, sir? Uh,
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  Speaker 4: let's see mister Claude Williams. And Eugene says, howdy as well.
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  Speaker 4: Let's get this rodeo started.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it, gentlemen and lady mm hmm and
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  Speaker 2: uh rob yes, uh oh, Brandon coming through dropping ten
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  Speaker 2: ten memberships?
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  Speaker 4: Holy Nike, you won't guess who god one?
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  Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know. I think my chat is lagging, slacking, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I haven't caught up yet. No, it was.
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  Speaker 4: My chat.
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  Speaker 2: Just you just broke the chat for me. That will be.
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  Speaker 2: That's okay, It's all good now.
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  Speaker 4: Mister John Limback got one.
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  Speaker 2: I got. He is lucky. He gets he gets them
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  Speaker 2: all the time.
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  Speaker 4: Well, if you interact and tune in, you get them.
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  Speaker 4: And that's why I think I got one as well,
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  Speaker 4: Thank you double be Uh James King Umbrella man. Hey, Uh,
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  Speaker 4: Krista Marie got one?
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  Speaker 2: Hey hot tea, Krista Marie.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, mister Matt Fraser Uh Fraser, Yeah Fraser Uh two
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  Speaker 4: seventy four one thousands, Winston Smith Marshall T vol I
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  Speaker 4: think it's Tennessee Volunteers. Is my guest? Uh? And Wilt
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  Speaker 4: three three three? Congratulations everyone? Hell yeah, thanks Brandon, And yeah,
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  Speaker 4: Joey Scars is now a new remember right ah? And
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  Speaker 4: then Rob get it ready again?
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  Speaker 2: Oh shit, whoo Jesus Brandon coming to you like Santa
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  Speaker 2: Claus dropping it out of his bag.
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  Speaker 4: He really is Santa Claus. Yes, we appreciate your support
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  Speaker 4: of the show and and your friendship as well. I've
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  Speaker 4: been happy to call him a friend and we love you, buddy,
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  Speaker 4: So thank you. And let's see if I'm missing anyone.
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  Speaker 4: Ashurey coming, uh, he says mister hit turning.
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  Speaker 2: I saw him in here somewhere.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure I'm there yet. The chat's popping,
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  Speaker 4: so I don't know what this thing is. I think
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  Speaker 4: it's a high emoji. Mister Tony Holman, how are you, sir?
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  Speaker 4: Who of course joined us a couple of nights ago.
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  Speaker 4: Scott Edwards John John says, I am not a crack er.
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  Speaker 2: Dan Quigley, I think he is the real.
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  Speaker 4: Yes early candidate for uh comment of the night. We
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  Speaker 4: played a video from Max Good excuse of the year
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  Speaker 4: of these people that have like a well financed fucking
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  Speaker 4: operation going and a fake JFK Jr. With no teep.
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  Speaker 4: Norman Culner, how are you sir? Let's see if I'm
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  Speaker 4: missing anyone, turn Horse, Yes, I am getting to you
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  Speaker 4: solving the case tonight. Right, Yes, that's what we probably
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  Speaker 4: we'll probably just start our hands up and be like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: we don't know.
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  Speaker 2: You're definitely gonna muddy the waters tonight, Turn I'm sure yes.
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  Speaker 4: Paul Denicci, Hello, boys, how are you? Hoe? And I
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  Speaker 4: want to see mister Derek Ward, what's up tonight? Fellas
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  Speaker 4: how are you the d W what's up? D And
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  Speaker 4: lastly but not leastly, mister Robert Few Ye, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I know you were going to struggle with that one
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  Speaker 2: was too. Yes, there is a medal for that, Robert,
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  Speaker 2: it'll be it's it's in the mail. Be on the lookout.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, and uh oh and uh Prova wand just
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  Speaker 4: coming in. Hello from the Emerald Isle.
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  Speaker 2: Well, hello, sir, I believe that is Ireland, is it not?
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  Speaker 4: I think so, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I love the people from across the across the oceans. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: come hang out here. It's breakfast for them, or it's
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  Speaker 2: the middle of the night for them, or yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean they love to come and hang and talk
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  Speaker 4: JFK and get some actual research. And I also want
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  Speaker 4: to wish a happy birthday to a friend of the show,
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  Speaker 4: Matt Crumpton. It's his birthday today of solving JFP.
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  Speaker 2: Being a Christmas baby sucks for you, but happy birthday.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah's It's hard to get two presents, right. I would
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  Speaker 4: always just get one for family member who's their friends.
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  Speaker 2: My kids birthdays is two weeks after Christmas, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: always like shit, all right.
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  Speaker 4: So Rob, what are we going to be getting into tonight?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Joseph, we're gonna beginning into a lot of horses,
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  Speaker 2: assery and foolishness in New Orleans to be specific. But
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  Speaker 2: I thought we'd started out by laying some groundwork, okay
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  Speaker 2: with the CRC. Okay, h Now the CRC, because I
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  Speaker 2: think it's important for context to know who these groups are.
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  Speaker 2: We say them all the time, like dr E or
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  Speaker 2: the CRC or the fr D or the who the
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  Speaker 2: fuck knows, But so let's lay a little ground. We're
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  Speaker 2: here for the CRC.
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  Speaker 1: UH.
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  Speaker 2: They were the Cuban Revolutionary Council. They absorbed a former
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  Speaker 2: group called the Fronte revolutionary O democratic O or they
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  Speaker 2: otherwise known as the f r D. Okay, yes, I
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  Speaker 2: mean all these groups, you know people leaving special though
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  Speaker 2: Joe because it the head of it. Were the leaders
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  Speaker 2: of five major anti castro groups. So they came together
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  Speaker 2: to form the basically the United Front Right for a
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  Speaker 2: Democratic Revolution in Cuba, and they were known as the
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  Speaker 2: military arm of the FRD was known as Brigade twenty
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  Speaker 2: five six, who you may have heard of. BRIGADI was
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  Speaker 2: eventually composed of almost fifteen hundred men who were trained
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  Speaker 2: by US Army specialists at two sites on the south
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  Speaker 2: coast of Guatemala. The leaders in the organization was composed
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  Speaker 2: of the FRD Executive Committee were a bunch of people
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  Speaker 2: you never heard of. Tony Verona, Manuel Artemee who you've
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  Speaker 2: all heard of, some others confoses. So in sixty one,
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  Speaker 2: the State Department pressured FRD leaders to accept the MRP,
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  Speaker 2: headed by Manny Manuel Ray Rivera, into the FRD. The
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  Speaker 2: inclusion of Ray's group into the Alliance of Cuban exiles
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  Speaker 2: was reportedly also terribly important to the White House. Gee
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  Speaker 2: I wonder why, which wanted to broaden the political base
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  Speaker 2: of the FRD. In an effort to attract Ray and
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  Speaker 2: his group into the FRD, Tony Verona resigned voluntarily and said,
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  Speaker 2: fuck you guys, I'm going home. Doctor Murro Cardono was
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  Speaker 2: a former Havana jurist who broke with Castro after serving
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  Speaker 2: him as his first prime minister. Now right before the
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  Speaker 2: Bay of Pigs invasion, the Cuban Revolutionary Council was formed
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  Speaker 2: to coordinate and direct FRD activities with US government support.
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  Speaker 2: Ie CIA funded basically much like we know the CIA
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  Speaker 2: funded the DRE folks, like to the tune of a
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  Speaker 2: lot of money a month. They were doing the same
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  Speaker 2: thing with the r C. Well we'll get there, I promise.
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  Speaker 2: All the groups within the CRC maintained their separate identities,
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  Speaker 2: the leaders expressing publicly their unity, especially during the period
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  Speaker 2: prior to the planned invasion. The regrouping included the following
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  Speaker 2: Cuban exile leaders doctor Jose Miro Cardona, Board of Directors,
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  Speaker 2: Tony Verona, Housteau Carrillo, Carlos Savella, Antonio Masseo, Manual Ray,
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  Speaker 2: and Manual Artemate. CRC committees were organized in key cities
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  Speaker 2: in the United States and delegations appointed in Latin American countries.
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  Speaker 2: So this place, you know, the CIA is following a
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  Speaker 2: plan that they have when it comes to funding these
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  Speaker 2: anti Castro Cuban organizations, and they're following a blueprint, you
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  Speaker 2: know where they're having these groups scattered all throughout the
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  Speaker 2: United States, or at least delegates of them, and putting
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  Speaker 2: them up in key major cities and also disrupting things
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  Speaker 2: in Latin American countries and all over the world. In
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  Speaker 2: some cases. The failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion
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  Speaker 2: resulted in Castros capture and imprisonment of over one thousand
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  Speaker 2: of the almost fifteen hundred Brigades members, which pretty much
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  Speaker 2: wiped him out.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he was ready for them, for sure, he was.
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  Speaker 4: He was.
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  Speaker 2: The dejected leaders of the CRC, who had been sequestered
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  Speaker 2: for security reasons at the start of the invasion were
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  Speaker 2: later taken to the White House for a personal visit
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  Speaker 2: with President Kennedy, who expressed his regret and assumed responsibility
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  Speaker 2: for the invasion failure. So that's pretty crazy to me
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  Speaker 2: that they invited the dejected leaders to the White House
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  Speaker 2: to meet with Kennedy, and Kennedy told them blatantly to
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  Speaker 2: their face, my bad, folks. Sorry, I fucked up. I
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  Speaker 2: know a lot of people died and got captured, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: All right. But did he actually because he never really
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  Speaker 4: committed to having air support or he was just being
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  Speaker 4: the bigger man and taking responsibility.
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  Speaker 2: I think he took responsibility, and part of that is
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  Speaker 2: that he didn't send their support. So Shortly after the
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  Speaker 2: unsuccessful invasion, Manuel Ray withdrew his organization, the MRP, from
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  Speaker 2: the Council, and by October sixty one, the CRCA completely
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  Speaker 2: absorbed the FRD. Cordona remained at the Helm, which had
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  Speaker 2: been enlarged to include the Revolutionary Action and a faction
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  Speaker 2: of the thirtieth of November Movement. While some unification had
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  Speaker 2: been achieved, the Cuban exile groups were plagued by factionalism
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  Speaker 2: personal rivalries for leadership roles in conflicting programs. Nevertheless, the
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  Speaker 2: crc was still considered the principal unifying organization of the
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  Speaker 2: Cuban exile community, although no anti Castro leader emerged who
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  Speaker 2: could command broad support of the community. After the Missile Crisis,
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  Speaker 2: the policy of the United States toward Castro Regine changed drastically.
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  Speaker 2: In his book The Losers, Paul Bethel, former press attache
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  Speaker 2: at the Havana Embassy, noted, there is no doubt that
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  Speaker 2: Kennedy and his brother consciously set about to the business
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  Speaker 2: of stopping all efforts to unhorse Fidel Castro from outside
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  Speaker 2: exile attacks and from Cuba's internal resistance movements. So there
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  Speaker 2: was a drastic change after the Missile crisis when it
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  Speaker 2: came to overtly trying to remove Castro from power. Right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they set up the h what was it
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  Speaker 2: called when they they forbade people from going off in
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  Speaker 2: the country. Oh, it was the UH.
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  Speaker 4: Could continue to County or something, right.
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  Speaker 2: Something like that. And yeah, because a lot of these
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  Speaker 2: anti Castro Cubans and exiles and guerrilla fighters and freedom fighters,
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  Speaker 2: they were charged with it Neutrality Act, that's what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Bam mhmm. Yeah, that was that was the Kennedy's tool
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  Speaker 2: to try to control these people, is hit them with
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  Speaker 2: the Neutrality Act. Yes, Norman, it was right there, right there,
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  Speaker 2: and I dug it out. Baby. Uh let's see, so
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  Speaker 2: let's I didn't need to read the whole damn thing here.
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  Speaker 2: But uh, here's where it gets interesting. The CRC was
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  Speaker 2: revamped and doctor Antonio Say elected president. Although Tony Verona
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  Speaker 2: was still a dominating force in the organization. Government funds
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  Speaker 2: to the CRC were cut off Joe on May one,
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  Speaker 2: sixty three and can no longer support its Latin American delegates.
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  Speaker 2: So while funding was still going to the DRE at
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  Speaker 2: this time, the CRC had been cut off in May
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  Speaker 2: of sixty three. Which keep in mind here, when we
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  Speaker 2: look at the folks who were associated with the CRC,
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  Speaker 2: one could see why a lot of these people could
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  Speaker 2: be considered suspects. Okay, but we'll get there, I promise.
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  Speaker 4: And they went to funding, uh, went for funding to
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  Speaker 4: other people, possibly, yes, possibly mafia.
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  Speaker 6: But.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much the CRC was pretty much dunski. You know,
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  Speaker 2: by the time, probably right around the time that Lee
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  Speaker 2: Harvey Oswol was starting up his Fair Play for Cuba
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  Speaker 2: Committee in New Orleans, you know, summer sixty three. Basically
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  Speaker 2: the credibility of the CRC then took a severe blow.
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  Speaker 2: In June, the Miami News revealed that a highly publicized
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  Speaker 2: commando rate on Cuba purportedly on June twenty first, was
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  Speaker 2: actually a hoax. According to the newspaper, although Doctor Marseo
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  Speaker 2: did not say it, sources related the proposed landing of
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  Speaker 2: up to three thousand commandos was a fraud that ballooned
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  Speaker 2: with a tacit consent of other publicly minded CRC members.
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  Speaker 2: Following the revelations, Doctor Marceo resigned as president of the
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  Speaker 2: CRC and was succeeded by Tony Verona. Okay, now you
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  Speaker 2: watched our our presentation that we did back in November.
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  Speaker 2: Tony Verona factors highly into Santos traffic conte ship that
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  Speaker 2: was going on with other folks in New Orleans. Very interesting, dude.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I believe I believe he is going to
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  Speaker 4: be highly featured in the next two chapters of the
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  Speaker 4: Oswald Puzzle. Yes, Larry and David hinted on our show.
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  Speaker 2: Now to further lay the groundwork here for the CRC,
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  Speaker 2: we move over here, we'll go to the middle here
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  Speaker 2: with CIA funds. Two public relations firms were hired Lynn
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  Speaker 2: Jones Associates in New York, Abrams Osbourne in Miami. These
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  Speaker 2: firms issued statement signed by the CRC, although they had
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  Speaker 2: been written by the CIA, and after the October missile crisis,
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  Speaker 2: the Kennedy administration withdrew much of his support from the
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  Speaker 2: CRC and other militant exile groups. However, the CIA continued
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  Speaker 2: to provide the CRC with Do the math, Joe, one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and thirty seven thousand dollars a month.
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  Speaker 4: Over one point three mil.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, say, at one point five million a year, that's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of money in nineteen sixty three per month. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: In April sixty three, Cardona resigned, claiming Kennedy had chosen
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  Speaker 2: the path of peaceful coexisting with the Castro's government. He
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  Speaker 2: felt the US had become a victim of a master
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  Speaker 2: played by the Russians and angrily stated that the struggle
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  Speaker 2: for Cuba is in the process of being liquidated by
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  Speaker 2: the government. You see how pissed off these anti Castro
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  Speaker 2: Cubans are, Joe. They are talking mad shit about Kennedy
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  Speaker 2: at this point because they think he's a giant pussy Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and he won't let them do their thing, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they these these anti Castro Cubans don't realize,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you keep fucking around. The Russians are in
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  Speaker 2: Cuba now with nuclear weapons pointed at its sixty miles
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  Speaker 2: off our shore. You can't fuck around with them. But
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  Speaker 2: these guys, these pissed off exiles, still think that they're
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  Speaker 2: going to show up on the shore and a fucking
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  Speaker 2: dinghy with a knife and a thirty year old World
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  Speaker 2: War two rifle and somehow kill Castro and over through the.
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  Speaker 4: Government, right right, yeah, and you know, take out guard
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  Speaker 4: posts and all these little things that we're trying.
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  Speaker 2: So you see there's a at that time, the government
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  Speaker 2: had a giant problem on its hands. They're funding the ship.
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  Speaker 2: The CIA is funding the ship out of these anti
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  Speaker 2: Castro groups to the tune of a ton of money
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: a month. All of these groups have operations like operations
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: divisions like the d r A, the c r C
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: where they you know, they're funding operations.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: And training right the military applies, that's where a lot
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: of this money is going.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can understand the dichotomy where part of
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: our government is giving these groups money to fund and
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: do all this ship, but then another part of the
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: government is saying no, no, no, nay nay, you even
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: go off the shore, We're going to rescue for violation
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: and Neutrality Act and put you in jail.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: Right, right, and and and and especially FBI versus c I.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: A Hey in particular, right, FBI was trying to keep
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: all these people in county, and and the CIA was
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: kind of funding them too.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: So there's interagency conflict like we talk about all the
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: time as well.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: And why is this important, Joe, Because in nineteen sixty
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: one through nineteen sixty two, the New Orleans Chapter of
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: the CRC occupied in office in the Newman Building at
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: five point forty four Camp Street, the same address it
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: was stamped on Corlas Lamont's pamphlets that Lee Harvey Oswold
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: handed out crimes against Cuba. This was the building where
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: anti Castro activist and accused JFK assassination conspirator Guy Banister
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: also had his office, which is problem. During this period,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: banister associate and good buddy Sergio R. Coustin Smith was
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: quote much like Carlos Brgia.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Sergio R.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Costin Smith was the quote official delegate for the New
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Orleans Chapter of the CRC. Although in the CRC, Joe
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: was not the only member like Carlos Bringa Okay, CRC
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: much bigger, much more CIA operatives entrenched within doing dirty business.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: That's why I think it's important that we take a
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: closer look, Joe at some of these members of the CRC.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: And while I don't know an official member, okay, but
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: David Ferry was doing a lot of work with the CRC,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: and I mean a lot. He was good friends with
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Sergei R. Kasha Smith. He was seeing there with them,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: meeting with them, eating with them, hanging with them, training
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: with them. Right, we know he was around Banister's office
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: a lot. So that is why we're going to be
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: taking a closer look at some of this stuff that
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: people have to stay tonight, because I think that sets
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: the table pretty good.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Joe, I think so too. And one of the people
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: who headed the New Orleans CRC was none other than
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Francisco Frank Artees.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Right, So Sergio R. Conscious Smith stepped down as the
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: facto delegate of the CRC, if you will, in nineteen
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: sixty two, and I don't know if there was any
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: leadership at all officially in the New Orleans chapter until
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: nineteen sixty three. I think there may have been there
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: may have been a peer of time in there where
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: they were just pretty much running roughshot and doing whatever
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: they wanted. Now, some prominent members of the New Orleans
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: chapter of the c RC that you may have heard
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: of before, again, like Sergio Acasia Smith, like Frank Bartes. Okay,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: the Rodriguez is plural, okay, Augustine Guietard, which is Silviodio's uncle. Okay,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: carlos Kiroga, maybe you've heard of that guy. Mm hmmm, right,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: and many many more which we're going to get into
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: here tonight. So I was going over this with Joe
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: the other night, and I'm like, he's like, so, what
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: do you got? I said, A bunch of shit from
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: a lot of people you've never heard of?
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Was I lying?
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: You were not?
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: I was not?
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: No, Yeah, go ahead, And I'm sure a lot of
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: our audience here might not know about them either.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: So well, that's why we're here to bring it to
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: your attention because a lot of people I had never
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: heard of and don't know who the hell they are.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: You know, Yes, that's a problem. Oh I love it.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah I do too.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: This is going to be a banger.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, Sergio or Conscious Smiths comes up. A name does
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: come up frequently. In this case.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: He was.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Very much on the radar during the Garrison investigation. I
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: believe he was. He got the hell out of New
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Orleans at some point shortly before Garrison or shortly after
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Garrison reopened his investigation, and actually moved to Texas. Dallas
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: to be specific, which is odd, but okay, not everywhere
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: you're going to go. Sergio runs to Dallas. Now, of
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: course they subpoena him to come back to New Orleans.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: He says, nah, I'm good. If you want to talk
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: to me, come to Texas.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: So they do.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: They do. They go talk to me in Texas. Nothing
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: ever happens to him. I'll save that one for when
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: we get to Joe. That's that person we've never heard of,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: because it has something to do with what you're going
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: to talk about, Okay, something about what I'm going to
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: talk about, okay, ish an interview with Michael jay Finny.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Michael jay Finny somebody you've never heard of. But he
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: was a good, allegedly good friend of David Ferries.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: And was he a good guy?
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know that he had not seen David Ferry
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: though since nineteen sixty three at this time, okay.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: At the Garrison, at the time of the Garrison investigation.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: No, this is during the HSCA investigation.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, so we haven't seen him in like fifteen years
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: or Yeah.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: They were calling through the the old French quarter there,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: turning up a whole bunch of kafuzes.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: There's not a lack of them there, that's for sure. Yeah.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: But this guy either was a friend or knew very well,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: if you know what I'm saying, Michael Finney. He says
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: that he hasn't seen Dave Ferry since nineteen sixty three,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: although I'm sure he knew he died in sixty seven. What, Joe,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: what are you looking for?
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: Just as the guy's name and what's coming, I don't
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: know what's coming, but I know it's gonna be funny.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, Fairry knows what's coming. A whole lot of that
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: out the window. Okay.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: In the course of speaking and spending time with David Ferry,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: he had told Michael Finney that he had admired President
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Kennedy until until the Bay of Pigs happened. Then Fairies
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Ideology did a one to eighty, he said after that
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: he was very vehemently anti Kennedy. Fairy was an intelligent man, okay,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: which he was. We've heard him talk. Yeah, and fun
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: to be around. Yeah, depending on who you are, I reckon.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: Because I would I would have hung out with him,
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: not in that way, but I'm sure I would have
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: had some good laughs.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Oh and where's that picture of Joe on his knees
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: a boy?
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: Oh no, don't do it. Don't do it, don't do it,
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: don't do it.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: All right, we'll save that for remembers.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, save that for remembers.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, fine, Yes, father Fairy, forgive me for my sins.
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: Uh m hm, oh man, Young Joseph, I'm going to
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: need to see you back in the directory after this.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: Yes, it's a picture of my confirmation sponsor.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Were you in the picture, like eleven, twelve or thirteen?
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: I believe?
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, smooth, young boy. Yeah, David Fairry's favor. H okay, yeah,
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: tune next week from Yeah, become a member. Become a member.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: If you'd like this again, trust me, you won't want
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: to miss this picture.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: It's good, oh boy?
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Uh, yes, very fun to be around because he was
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: doing things that were exciting Joe, such as dropping people
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: by parachute into Cuba to cause trouble. So during the
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: time that David Faery is highly involved with the CRC,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: he is flying to Cuba, taking them supplies, guns, and
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: even dropping motherfuckers out of his plane his Cessna. Yeah,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: for to infiltrate or just say welcome home. I don't know.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and little known fact as your boy had his
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: Sesna solo license before he had his driver's license.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: I used to David Ferry, Yeah, a kreamas and young guy,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: I love it, but.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I did used to flysas Cessna's seventy nice small,
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: small small planes.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: You could have dropped some supplies in Cuba and he
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: kept flying and made it back.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. Definitely, at least pamphlets, pamphlets let
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: you go.
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Fairy had a simple plan that he said would eventually
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: over throw Castro. Ready for this plan of David Ferries,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: I am. The plan would go something like this. People
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: would wear certain color shirts or jackets on certain days
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: and taking part in certain acts of sabotage depending on
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: the color of their shirt or jacket against places like
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: electric companies and water works, et cetera. The infrastructure of Cuba.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: So call it a half baked plan if you will.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: But everybody with red shirts on a Tuesday is going
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: to fuck with any kind of you know, electric electrical
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: telephone poles or you know stations, transfer stations, you know,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: blow shit up basically the water works. You know, put
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: yourself back in back in the stone age, you know,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: just kill your own country's water supply and electricity, you know,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: so you can go home and have to shit in
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: a bucket, which they may have been doing before that anyway,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: who knows.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, but you're right, attacking infrastructure was definitely.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: A goal, right, But he's already thinking clan destinedly, like,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: how can we do is you know, without people knowing.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not a great plan, but it's a plan.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: You know, everybody with green shirts attacked the water works.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Everybody with red shirts on a Wednesday, you attack the
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: electrical shit, you know. Everybody wearing yellow on Friday you
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: burn the sugar fields, you know, like, I don't know,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: it's a plank.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: Everyone in pink show up at my apartment on Saturday.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: See on Louisiana Parkway Sunday.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: Oh man, we are having fun. We are having fun tonight, sir.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Oh. By the way, another prominent member of the CRC, Joe,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: what was somebody by the name of ors Pagana who
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: we've been talking the shit out of for the past
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Ferry met with Oris Pania and possibly are conscious Smith
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: at the Lakefront Airport. Remember Fairy taught Orris Penia says
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: that very taught Paynia how to fly Cessna. Then he
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: was in the cockpit with this dude for like fourteen hours,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: you know, over the course of lessons. Right, So this
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: is Michael Finney. Whoever the fuck this guy is corroborating
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Orris Pania of all people. Now, it promised them that
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: they the squadron would train fighters against Castro after the
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Bay of Pigs. And before the Bay of Pigs, this
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: activity went on, meaning training camps close to New Orleans
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: like Lake Ponta Train and others. Faerry had a light
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: observation plane rebuilt in the rear of a business on
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: an airline highway and it was fliable. Finney City flew
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: in it. This is the plane that O'Sullivan was looking
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: for when he testified to the Warrant Commission that Faery's
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: plane was not fliable during sixty three, but it was
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: investigations to be able to prove that this plane was
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: available to Ferry. Another plan that Fairy had was to
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: use a sub submersible vehicle. There would be battery powered
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: and take two men, okay, at least sixty miles to Cuba.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: After that it would end up on the ocean floor
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: in like a coke can.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Like that's submiserable that went down to the Titanic.
• 41:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: But yeah, if you think I'm getting in a sub
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: that ain't really a sub that might have been built
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: by David Fairry, you are fucking crazy. Yeah, especially with
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: David Fairy, because if that suction didn't kill you, the
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: other one might if you get my drift, imagine being
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: tracking the sub with David Fairy.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: Jesus, would you do it just for the stories? No? No, no,
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: you could take him.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I could take him, but I can't drive a sub.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: No, but.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Look too fuck around. Maybe it might be in my twenties,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: but Rob the Triple Big Bad Bob is not getting
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: on a fucking sub. I don't care if it's twenty
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: thousand feet long, nuclear powered, whatever the fuck? Fancy shit
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: they got going on right now. Mh no, that's like
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: top fear. I hate the ocean. You put me in
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: a fucking box I can't get out of. At the
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: bottom of it, I am I'm Looney Tunes bro stick
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: for me because I'm done. I'm killing everybody on that motherfucker.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: I didn't know you hate hated the ocean.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like that. I don't like being in water.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: I can't see the bottom in it. I don't like
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: weird ship brushing up against my leg or stepping on
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: a fucking crab or no. No, I'm good.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Slacker Dan with maybe the comment of the night so far, Scott,
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: you're gonna have someone off.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: That much like much like an armpit. The cockpit is
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: that area right beside the inner thigh and balls.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: And also notable, also notable, Rob is that you bring
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: was part of the CRC until I believe I think
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: it was June sixty two, and then he switched to
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: the DRE which I think was it, which I think
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: was the time that around the time the funding got
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: caught off.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the time when Sergio kind of quit
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: being the head guy and they just kind of not disbanded,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: but just dissolved a little bit, if you will, into
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: something not as formal as they used to be. And
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: then the guys, some of them went and did their
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: own shit, some went independent, some hung around, still met
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: unofficially in people's houses and shit like that. So again
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: we have Ferry back in the sub. There would be
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: battery powered. Yeah, okay, the men would have to wear Joe,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: you have to wear this according to Fairy skin diving gear,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: so that means skin tight. You could only wear a snorkel, okay,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: a pair of speedos.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: What's a snorkel gonna do?
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: It's skin diving gear. Bro. You had to have flippers,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: a speedo and a snorkel. That's all you could wear
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: in David Fairry's sub. Okay, Okay, it's for ease of
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: access purposes. David Fairry doesn't want you coming up for
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: air very often. You need a snorkel. Oh lord.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Then he didn't know what they would attack with this sub.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: He worked on the submissible and he tested the electric
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: motor and gears himself. So this is actually something that
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: David Faerry is trying to do. He's building a fucking sub.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean however crazy an idea was he was
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: committed to the collas, that's for sure.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Wow, Finny stated that that's that. All This was happening
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: very fast, and they had about thirty members when the
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: parents started to upset. So I don't know what kind
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: of club Finny was in with Ferry, but apparently there was,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: oh my god, thirty members whose parents started that they
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: were spending a little too much.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: Time with their sons, which indicates that they are miners.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: But we'll get there. At the time, Finny was only
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: sixteen years old, and he couldn't understand what upset them
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: so much. You know, just sixteen, We're hanging out.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: With the Dave Fairy, you know what I mean, going
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: in this man made.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Wearing skin diving outfits.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: What's the problem. Yeah, they really are Trey.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: And so Finny went home and told his parents about
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: bombing Cuba. Oh why would you do that? Why would
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: you do that? You gotta know that's not gonna go over.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: You know, you just come home from building a sub
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: all day with David Ferry and you sit down at
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: the family dinner table. You say, he said, what did
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: you do today?
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I skipped school today. You know, I
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: got I got to build a sub over Dave's house.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: We're gonna go bomb Cuba in it. And the parents
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: are like mortified, like what the fuck? He says he
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: was bewildered by their response. So the parents checked out
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: this squadron and found out that it was not chartered
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: or sanctioned by the c A, and kids had to
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: drop out. Finny can now understand, looking back through the
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: eyes of an adult, how this must have upset people
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: that knew all the implications of what the squadron was planning.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: He felt that they would carry out their plan until
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: the heat came down from the parents. So Ferry had
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: these kids convinced that they were going to be part
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: of invading Cuba, right, Okay, we call that child labor now,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: you know, hey, free free child labor. Come on, boys,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: come on back to come on back to the crib.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Benny feels that he might have seen Lee Harvey Oswald
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: at an encampment of the Falcons north of the lake
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: during an encampment sometime in nineteen sixty three when it
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: was real cold out Whenever the hell that may have
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: been had to be. I doubt it was cold in August,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: in July and June in May. Maybe early May had
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: to be spring, right, had to be early early in
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: November or October. That we don't know about.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: No, early winter, January, February, March. Yeah, you think, let's see.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: He then thought a moment and said that it actually
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: might have been in nineteen sixty one when he saw
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: the Harvey oswell, not sixty.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: Three, which of course it's a problem. That's a problem. Yeah.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: He did not get back until June of nineteen sixty two.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Finnaden says he went to fairies parties occasionally at sixteen
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: and thinks that he met Clay Shaw at one of these,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: but he's not sure.
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: Hm.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: So that is Michael Finney's HSCA interview, and that's only
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: one page of it. It's one of these incomplete things
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: that Malcolm Blunt found, uh, you know, raiding the archives
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: at some point.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: When I read you was page two of the interview
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: with Michael Finni. We don't have page three or one
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: or however long this thing is. This is one page
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: from Michael Finny. Okay, and we got all that, Yeah,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: crazy oy cavaultagavlta. It's right next we have an interview
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: with George Bosh again, same thing and incomplete interview. I
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: have page two, So if there's page two, there must
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: be a page one, and it's labeled incomplete, which means
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: there must be more than two pages.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: So but.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: What goes we got here on page two? Okay again,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: George Bosh, Joe you never heard of him?
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: No, it's not spelled the same as Orlando. Oh right, right,
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: no relation, just.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: I mean it might be Bouche bo Yeah.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just just to make it clear for our audience.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: S h. However, you say that in Louisiana and.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: M hm uh Cherry help us there.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Bouche was interested in flying and this brought him in
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: contact with Faery. Fairy had hair when he first met him.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Why why later he saw Fairy and Fairy was bald
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: because of some type of accident. He thinks some kind
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: of aircraft anti freeze had dripped on his head and
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: melted his hair, his fucking head?
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: What this is his goald? What? What?
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: I guess he was working on airplane with Dave Ferry
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: one time and he saw anti freeze drip on his head,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: and he thinks that that's what made him bald Okay,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Fairy flew many of the cadets around the New Orleans
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: lake front, if you know what I'm saying. Bouche once
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: flew with him over Ay Seminary Seminary Seminary north of
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Lake ponta train, and Ferry mentioned that he was either
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: a priest at one time or that he had studied
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: for the priesthood. You know, Joel, Uh, I used to
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: be a priest, a man of God if you will,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: would you like?
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: Until they kicked me out.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Bouche thought that he might have indicated Ferry had his
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: own plane at the time and was doing well. Ferry
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: was very intelligent. Again, this is another guy saying this.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no doubt he was extremely intelligent, extremely.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: And to Bouche's knowledge, to Bouch's knowledge, he never had
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: any tendencies towards homosexuality.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: He must have not been his type.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he must have been ugly. George must have been fugly,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: ugly boy.
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: But again, if you heard, if you if you've ever
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: heard Fairy talk for real, he doesn't sound like a mamo,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: you know, like he's not overly flamboyantly gay, right, he
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: looks like a normal dude. Well, I take that back. Uh,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: he talks like a normal dude.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: No, he has like a deep voice, nothing like how
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: he was portrayed by Joe Pesci and nothing.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So George was surprised to learn later from others
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: that David Ferry had drinking parties at his house. So
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: George must have not been invited to the drinking parties.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: Jill told you he wasn't his type, the.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Original P Diddy boy d Faerry P Diddy.
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, what's up, Timothy, Ryan, how are you?
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: We're just having a little fun here, Timothy.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you'll have to go back for some laughs.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well they're not over, so stick around. Let's see.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Bousche left the Cap around fifty six or fifty seven
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: and did not hear of any of these Cuban issues
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: or Fairiy's troubles with the airlines until much later. Bousch
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: remembers Fairry as a decent sort of guy. The decent
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: sort of guy there was mostly interested in flying and
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: teaching flying to kids.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: Right, and of course kids. Fifty six fifty seven is
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: way before the Cuban drama, right, I mean, cashtro Batista
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: was still power at that point.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sit right here in between my legs and grab
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: this stick here, young junior, Now pull back on the stick.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Put your feet right here on my feet. These are
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: your petals. These are your rent of pedals you know.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: Well, actually rob a lot of the cessnas that I
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: flew they had. There were two seats in the in
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: the sestos and both had petals and.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Paddles. Yeah, and.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: Uh, what's the fucking thing you drive with? I'm biking
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: on the name shool. Yeah. Uh so as I was
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: being trained like the the lady that did it at
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: the time could take over if necessary, right, and she
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: would say, get your foot of shit, you know, the
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: petals on the handles, the wheel or the pedal. Yeah, so.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, needless say, there's a lot of grabbing going on
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: in the sestna of petals and paddles and sticks.
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: It's very yeah, it's very close.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Fairry and Bouche went to the squadron to help them
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: get started with the cat program. Ferry did not like
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: the idea of girls learning anything about flying. Those bitches
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: is grounded. No girls allowed here in this club.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: He might have been, he might have been ahead of
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: the game on that one.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: He was even against them being in the Civil Air
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Patrol and against them being in the Girl Scouts apparently.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: Right, and again this is nineteen fifties, so.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, uh. Bouche went to the squadron meetings for two
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: or three months and remember seeing Lee Harvey Oswald there.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: He can remember because there were there were only twelve
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: or so people at those meetings as opposed to sometimes
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: sixty years seventy at the Lakefront. Bush did not have
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: any social contact with Oswald, but remembers him as quiet, timid,
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: if you will. He remembers others by faces, but cannot
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: put names on them because they did not gain the
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: note of ride that Oswald did. Of course, he cannot
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: place Oswald and Ferry together at any other place other
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: than those meetings. But again remember George Bouch ugly not
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: invited to the parties. Okay, Bouch last saw Fairy when
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: he George Bouch was driving a bus. Ferry was handing
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: out leafless on Canal Street and Elk's place, and he
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: waved to Bouche after seeing him. Busch didn't know what
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: the leafless were about, but later saw a television that
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: this group were handing out leaflets about Cuba. He cannot
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: remember if they were around the same time as Oswald
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: was arrested. Why is this Does this sound familiar to you,
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Joe or am I having a deja vu moment?
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: No?
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: It doesn't know. Hey, hey, christ And you've got gifted membership.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: Other way, yeah you did, thank Yeah and Christa send
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: me an email at the Lonecoming Podcast at gmail dot com.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: I have a theme song for your podcast to share
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: with you.
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: WHOA.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to make you put your email
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: in the chat, so send send one to me and
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: I'll send it back to you. Let's see here. Bouche
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: stated that he never visited Ferry's apartment on Atherton Drive
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: or on Louisiana Parkway. He has no knowledge of the
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: parties that went on there. Again, because he was ugly,
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: very buck teeth, he suggested to follow he might be
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: able to help us one James Llewellyn from Dave's hometown.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Check him out. Jean Sherlac, a radio man whose family
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: owns the Fern Crest Day Children's School. If you want
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: to know more about Dave Ferry, apparently Jesus Christ Yeah, yeah,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: all right, Joe. Next up, we got some contact with
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: do I have. I don't know what we got going
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: on here. Okay, hsca outside contact report with a mister
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: John Irene.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 8: Yes, another person I have not heard about. Yes, I
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 8: r io n yes correct.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, not to be confused with Jeremy Irons. John Ireon.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Investigators Bob Burris and Lawrence Larry Delsa met with mister
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: Irion at his home and continued the interview from October
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: seventy eight with photos and information pertaining to five thirty
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: one Lafayette Street, otherwise known as the Office of Guy
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Banister Joe and photos pretending to Sweet Dave Ferry during
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: his cap days and in the later period sixty through
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: sixty four in New Orleans. Mister Irion stated that he
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: saw Ferry last during the beginning of the Garrison investigation
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: at Fairi's Louisiana Avenue apartment. Okay, so this is a
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: fairly recent hanging out with Ferry. He said. Ferry was
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: very depressed, very paranoid, and very sickly looking. Ferry said
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: that the investigation was driving him crazy. He said that
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: he didn't know Lee Harvey Oswald, damn it, and that
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: he'd never known to Clay Shaw. This conversation occurred sometime
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: in nineteen and sixty six. Mister Irion stated that he
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: always liked and still liked Dave Ferry to this day.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy eight, he but but he would tell
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: investigators anything that he remembered with the hope that it
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: would help lay the matter to rest. Okay, So this
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: guy went to the parties at Louisiana Avenue Parkway. Loved
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: him some, Dave Fairy, and still did fifteen years later,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: after nineteen sixty three. But he'd helped him out. Uh So,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: let's get to this interview with John Irion.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: James says, this is the sickest, most disgusting, greatest longe
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: governing podcast ever. Yeah, we were having fun. That's what
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: we'd like to do here.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: We will take it this hold on to your seat.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: We ain't anywhere near being done. Mister Irene stated that
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: he was a little surprised at no one from the
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: federal government, like the FBI or the Secret Service that
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: ever contacted him during the Warning commissioned investigation due to
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: the fact that he knew Dave Ferry very well, if
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. He believes that al share
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: me might be the only person that knew Faerry in
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: his last days better than him. The Internal Mobile Security
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Unit was made up of approximately twelve to fifteen members.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: So apparently this is some kind of special unit Senator,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: special unit George Senator that David Ferry put together that
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: was made up of approximately twelve to fifteen young boys.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: They were from the Cat Program and the Falcon Squadron
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: and about four of the people who were not connected
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: to either of those organizations. They just happened to be
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: young boys.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Al sharing Me was a member. One of the photos
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: he was shown was of a Lynn Taylor. Mister Ivyan
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: remembers her her Oh, we have a female in the myths, uh,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: from the Cat Program, and remember that she had a
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: sister named Pam and that she had dated Al share Me.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Her father, name unknown was a con man that swindled
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: a lot of money from a group of Catholic priests
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: in California. One of the schemes that was discussed was
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: a business from Columbia that would harvest a nut. I'm
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: not shooting you man. Uh hold on, did I read
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: that right? Yeah. One of the schemes that was discussed
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: was a business from Columbia. Okay, I got talking. I
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: guess to talk about the country now, a city that
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: would harvest the nut and crush it for its oil
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: and chemical content that was supposed to be valuable. Al
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: share me went to South America to check something like
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: that out. He went to go down and check out
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: some nuts. Arion hasn't seen the tailors are sharing me
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: in years. So this is their get rich quick scheme, Joe.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: They're going to crush nuts, extract the valuable milk nut
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: or nut milk, and make something with it. Apparently out
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: of nuts. You know where the other nut milk came from.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: Maybe he was going to marry Sherman.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. A. Leonard Wiley was another member of the IMSU
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: or the CAP. I remembers him as Wally or some names,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: such as that he thinks that he was a private
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: or corporal in one of the units. He remembers Wiley
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: as having a bad temper that would flare up easily.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: Wiley would fall into the group of people that Ferry
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: was always trying to help because of broken homes or
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: personal problems i e. Easy victims.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: Yes, i e. Jeffrey Epstein did the same thing.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: Easy victims yeah, very easy to groom. Irian did not
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: know about Wiley marrying or murdering. Oh wait, what the fuck?
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Holy shit? Okay, well, apparently Leonard Wiley ak Wally ended
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: up marrying and murdering dancer Marilyn Moon from Jack Ruby's
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: Carousel Club. How's that for a small world? It's crazy
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: he married her and murdered her. I remember hearing the
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: name Marilyn Moon being one of Jack Rube's dancers.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, did you have a different stage name.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Marilyn Moon was her stage name.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 9: Okay, yeah, that's crazy, Marilyn Moon Row Yeah right right,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 9: kill me. I bet she made that name based off that.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Irianne says that William Dalzel looked like a man he
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: remembered from around Banister's office or Ferry's apartment. And oh,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: by the way, another CRC member, Joe William Dalzel.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: I did not know he was part of the CRC.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, him was? And was him?
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: Was?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 7: Uh?
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Oh, Irene remembered an incident when he
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: was with Banister at the office. Okay, and Irene and
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: Morris Brownlee went to Banister's house on Argonne Street. Wait
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: a minute, hold the mother f and phone.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: Joe, Okay, are we going to look up the location
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: of Argon Street?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: Somebody else lived on motherfucking Argon Street. You may have
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: heard of that. I've been meaning to show his fucking
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: house for two weeks. Everybody say hello to Riis Panna's
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: house on Argonne Boulevard or street or whatever where Pennie
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: was living in nineteen sixty three.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Wow, And and look at that landscaping.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Well this is a recent picture, Joe.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: That's true, that's true.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: I mean that's pretty nice digs for Hispania, you know. Yeah,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: did the Timmy Cuban bar owner or Hispania. He told
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: me he beat my ass, He take my ass.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: FBI in formant Warren with Warren Debris probably paid some
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: of it. Wow, that's a nice house.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: So he lived right down the street from God Banister
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: apparently or his pinion. Hmmm. Interesting. They stayed late talking
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: about politics, and he was impressed with the intelligence of
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: one Fred Lee Chrisman, who he says he met at
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Banister's house.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: What what.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 6: What?
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: What? Small world?
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: After for all, Fairy was also there, So Dave Fairy
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: knew friendly christmin guy Banister Morris Brownlee was there. Fairies
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: little buddy that says Fairy is also president, and he
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: remembers that Fairy stated that there wasn't much difference between
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: the Catholic Church and Communism, just a priest. Iren believes
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: that Chrismin slept at Banish's home that night because they
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: all left except him. Hmmm.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: Into that.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: A lot of confusery going on around here, Joe.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: Maybe he was just too drunk to dry.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe he was, you know, didn't have anywhere.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: Else to go, so yeah, maybe he got Uh.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: They were such good friends, you know, banished President. You
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: don't need to pay for a hotel. You stay in
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: my house.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: Crazy crazy craziness. A.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: Doc Riira is vaguely remembered by Iren is being associated
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: in some of the ferry, but the exact connection is
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: not clear. The investigators did not have the first name
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: or alias of doc Irion remembers this man as being
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: involved with the Cubans and arcocious Smith. Rieira was also
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: seen at the office of what prominent New Orleans lawyer Joe.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: That would be.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: Three syllables. Yeah, I know.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: The lawyers. Uh, the mobs, the mob yeah yeah.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: Marwise, Greg Gil yes, thank you, and possibly New Carlos
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: Marcelo and Guy Banister. Irion does remember that Fairy and
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: some of the guys built a man. What all right?
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: So I'm sorry, what is going on here?
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: Hey, Peaches?
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: Irian does remember that Fairy and some of the boys
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: built a man from the bones out to the skin
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: by studying books on anatomy. What the fuck were they
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: playing around with dead bodies and like rebuilding a man
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: from the bones out to the skin. Like, what are
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: we doing here?
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: Hey? Kind of sounds like that. I have no idea.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: Movie, Jesus, we start with the skeleton boys, and we'll
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: take this other body here. We're gonna open up, We're
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: gonna put his organs in the skeleton, and then we're
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: gonna sell the skin over the skeleton in the bones. Okay.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of weird shit going on before
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: people had, like, you know, a thousand TV channels and
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: cell phones and computers, a lot of time on their hands. Apparently,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: you gotta learn anatomy some way, Joe, there's only someone
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: you can teach from the outside. Wow, Okay.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: To this day, Irene can remember many of the bones
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: and muscles that Ferry pointed out to him.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: What is going on here?
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: It was one of Faery's many interests, Joe. This was
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: done in the lab that they built at Fairies Airline
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: Street address. So apparently he just didn't have an apartment
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: on Louisiana Parkway. He had a secret laboratory an Airline
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: Street to dress where he was building subs and fucking
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: with dead bodies apparently. And I don't know what else.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: Where do you even get them?
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: Dude, I don't know.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: I know, it's just nuts.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Ferry got into an argument with Irene's brother over what
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: the inside particles of an atam or see.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: I believe that because it's so specific.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you know what I mean. You just
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: can't make ship up like this.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: You can't. It's not like this.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: No way left the field. Yes, the brother was some
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: kind of physicist, and Ferry was bragging that he knew
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: about this subatomic particle before many of the so called
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: doctors around the US. Farry also bragged that he was
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: one of the first men to know about Russia putting
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: up the first sputnik. Irean to this day can't figure
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: out if Ferry was just provoking his brother or telling
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: the truth. The two brothers part of company at the airport,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: shouting at each other. Okay, Jose du Vernari, whoever that is,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: said Irianna said he looks familiar and believed that he
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: knew him from around the International House or the International Trademark,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: if you will. Some guy named Guterarez a photo from Dade, Florida,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: Dade County, Florida Sheriff's Department. He might have been one
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: of the few outsiders to train with the IMSU. They're
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: showing him pictures of people now, you know, and he's
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: recognizing some of them. Douglas Lethidge, an old time flying
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: buddy of Ferry. He recognized. He's in a uniform that
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: looks like it was Army Air Corps. Irene remembers his
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: photo being in Faerry's apartment, but he never met the man.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: Excuse me. A Bill Martin who was known from being
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: around planes at the airport. Ah another Martin, Florencio Villeria.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: Name and photo are familiar only Frank Sturgis early photos
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: of looked like a man that used to be around
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: some of the IMSU training grounds. Jim Graffeo, a friend
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: of Fairy, strong guy with a bad temper aka a
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: bad dude. Never a good combination, Never a good combination.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: Mister Iren remembers Lee Harvey Oswald from the CAP program
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: when Oswald was going there through basic training, but does
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: not remember him and taking part in any of the
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: quote unquote regular activities aka parties at Dave's house. This
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: was approximately fifty six to fifty seven. Upon viewing Oswald's
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: photo in the New Orleans Time begin of May thirty
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: sixty eighty, stated that Oswald would probably not have been
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: allowed to wear a uniform unless he completed his training
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: in probationary period, but he does not recall him seeing
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: him as a regular, which we know is not true
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: because we actually have a picture of Oswald in his
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: CAP uniform, just saying maybe Joe can find that while
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: we well, I finish up here. The other photo in
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: the same news article shows, from left to right, but
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: not identified in the photos, a Joseph Thompson, Kathrey Carter,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: then mayor just Slepts Morrison. So you have the mayor
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: of New Orleans hanging out with Dave Ferry and the
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: boys in the CAP program, caught in a photo a
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: Robert Boylston. John Iren himself and David Ferry. Mister Irene
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: stated that he remembers that day and showed the investigators
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: two other photos in that day, which was an inspection day.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: None of the photos showed Oswald, though the uniforms and
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: all three photos were not the same, and mister Irene
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: stated that this might be photos from two different days
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: but involving the same people. Looking back. Irene stated that
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: he knew Dave Ferry from approximately fifty six to sixty six,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: both in cap and socially. He cannot remember specifically any
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: time that Oswald and Ferry were together, but states that
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: their contact is highly probable due to the many courses
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: that Ferry taught.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: I did add it to the screen and Oswald is
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: wearing a T shirt.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah this this is not the right photo, Joe. There's
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: actually a photo of Oswald in a CAP uniform. He's
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: just by himself from like chest up. Okay, see if
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: you can find that one. Okay, he's got a logate,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: you know, one of his little hats on, and I
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: believe he's got cat pins on his you know shirt. Hm,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: I got it, you got it? Yeah, Okay, let me.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: See if I could share this correctly On with one shot. Boom.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: There he is Cadet Civil Air Patrol Lee Harvey.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: Oswald nineteen fifty five.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can buy it. What's sold for eleven hundred
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: and fifteen dollars. Wow.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: Wow, Is this Harvey or is this Lee?
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: We will never know, Joe, We'll never know. He appears
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: to have a thick bull neck with attached to ear lobes.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: There is a photo of Harvey Anley.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: Who knows.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: He cooperated with members of the DA's office Jim Garrison
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: by answering their questions, but he did not appear before
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: a grand jury, and he's not sure of all the
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: details of his statements due to the time lapse and
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: non usage of Garrison. For whatever reason. He was not
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: talking into joining the Marines. It was never a member
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: of the Marines, as the investigators reported Satan. He did
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: become a Catholic, though a dirty Catholic due to the
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: interested Fairy showed the religion very one time asked Ireon
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: to make a full confession to him as a priest,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: but Iren declined. This occurred at Fairies gas station.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: All right, hold on, God, I already have to put
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: my eye drops in because I was crying.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: Coming to the men's bathroom with me for a second.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: Come in, have a seat. I have a seat on
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: the tole. All right, I'm gonna stand over here on
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: the other side of the partition.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: Here.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: You sit right there, and uh, I want you to
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: confess all your sins to me. Tell me what you
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: do at night, laying in your bed all alone, jar
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: of Aslena baby oil by side and a couple of tissues,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: maybe a sock. Tell me your deepest, dirtiest thoughts as
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: you lay.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: I have no idea, man, that's craziness.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: Mister Iren's opinion of Fairy is that he was a
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: dynamic leader, very intelligent. Here's another guy, third one a
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: row talking about how intelligent this dude was, but with
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: a flaw in his character that always seemed to have
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: him at odds with people around him. This became more
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: apparent in Fairies last three or four years. Mister Irin
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: identified the following photos as being familiar or related knowledge
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: of the persons. Number one, Yeah, g Ray gil Irion
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: knew him as Fairies attorney and Irene was flown to
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: Miami by Gil on a commercial flights to testify on
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: behalf of David fair Fairi's character. So Ireon is one
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: of the guys they sent to Miami to tell them
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: what a great guy David Fairry was there at Eastern Airlines. Yeah. Wow,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: as did guy Banister by the way.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a character witness I believe they call it.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ferry worked as an investigator for g Ray Gill,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: who had who had him doing some work for Carlos Marcello.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: Ferry got g ray Gill off of a case that
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: the I R S had against him, and Irene felt
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: that this endeared Fairry to Guil and impressed others. So
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: this is why David Ferry, old scum of the earth.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: David Ferry, not a real investigator by the way, was
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: hired by g Ray Gill as his personal investigator because
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: David Ferry had gotten out of gotten him out of
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: some hot water with the I R S. Did I
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: know that Number seven Jack Martin? Ferry and Martin were
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: always arguing and he did some type of work together
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: for Banister and Gil.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: That is both true.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: M Yeah, So that is John Irene Joe. Wow.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: So he was a character witness of the Eastern Airlines thing.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: Huh. Yeah. And the last thing I got and I'll
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: set it up for you, and that because I got
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: some more skuffuzy after you get done, is than going
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: on and on like this. My tear ducks are swelling.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: I have here an HSCA contact report with a mister
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: John Sullivan from nineteen seventy eight. Joe Staff investigator Lawrence LJ.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: Delsa met with mister John Sullivan at his office on
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: Saint Charles Street. Mister Sullivan is the manager and head
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: of records for the Louisiana Unemployment Security Office. Now, the
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: reason we're gonna mention this here is because of all
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: the SKAFFUSI going on to the Texas Employment Commission that
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: we talked about for our little presentation. For the past
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks, he finding more and more things that
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: are suspect.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: Have another one for you shortly.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, here's what he had to say. Mister Sullivan told
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: Delsa that a mister Hermano Messina, now deceased, was the
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: head of records for the Louisiana Unemployment Security Office in
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: New Orleans in November of sixty three. In that month,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: mister Messina turned all of the records over to either
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: the FBI or the Secret service and they were never returned.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: Sullivan said that he knows there were no copies made
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: by them and there were no other records on hand
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: at their office. Basically, what this guy's saying is, the
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: FBI shows up shortly after Lee Harvey Oswald is arrested
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: or killed in Texas at the New Orleans unemployment office
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: and makes them turn over all of their records, right,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: and they have no copies. So the FBI took everything
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: and never gave them back, which is interesting. So Joe,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: I'll let you pick it up from there, my friend.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: All right, Yeah, so I was tasked with doing a
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: little Frank bartez uh little mini deep dive. And here
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: I am using mister Robb's power point like that. Yeah,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: it's great. I love it. That's why I use it.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: And this is Oswalt's employment time.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: Go back to that first picture, Joe, real quick.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I have the video queued up, and we should.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: Point out some people here in this Okay, point them out.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: Oh I thought you were gonna do it.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know. They all look the same to me.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: Wow, much like the Chinese. They all look the same
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: to me. Yeah, I continue with your presentation.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: Joe, Okay, So look, I looked at Oswalt's employment timeline
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: and we're going to go through the video in a
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: second of I believe it's August tenth at the New
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: Orleans courtroom, but you know it goes through all of
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: Oswalt's employment commission blah blah blah. And I found an
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 4: interesting commission warrant commission exhibit number two four sixty two,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: Like we didn't have enough of them. Lee's unemployment visits
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: and what And I kinda this is a layup for you.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: What is missing from this?
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: Rob his four eight sixty three visit. Yeah, leisedly, but
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: they have.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: Every date he either got a check or I believe
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: you got a check mail to the PO box from
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: the Texas Unemployment Commission. But I thought that was very interesting.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: And no four eight again, it's crazy. And these are
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: all these different forms and you know, probably out of
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: state unemployment forms type of thing. Then I found an
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: HSCA Oswalt chronology and Rob, you will not guess what
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: they reference for this. It's absolutely nuts. Okay, so I'm
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: gonna fast forward here. We're going to April seventh. Hold on,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: let me see if I miss something. April fifth, os
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: went Oswald went out walking with Marina in June. He
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: was carrying his rifle.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: So, according to Oswald, this is the same day he
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: was let go from Jagger's child Stowball. Yes, uh, pissed
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: he's got his rifle.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: Yes, with his daughter and Marina. I mean, how how
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: stupid is this? And when I show you what this
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: is what they're referencing m N L Marina and Lee.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: So this is from Marina's book, Yeah with what's her name?
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: The CIA? Yeah, ah ship child.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: Help us, Uh, the one that interviewed Lee in Russia.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 10: Craziness and then you know they have everything blah blah
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 10: blah blah blah blah. Yes, Oswald left the apartment with
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 10: his rifle on the Sunday and stayed out all day.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 10: When he came home for supper at six that night,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 10: he no longer had the rifle. I mean, how much
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 10: bullshit did that?
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: Lady? Fucking sup you? With Marina?
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: Oh? Crazy? A lot southwest in turn.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: In April eighth, which is of course the date of
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: the manifest that we've talked about, right, got up as
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: usual and left the apartment as if he was going
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: to work again. He was out all day. Only one
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: of his activities is known. He visited the Texas Apployment Commission,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: which we have credible evidence, many documents that says that
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: he did not visit that day and told his sympathetic
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: ladies there that he was out of a job. Lee
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: had supper at six. I mean, just these details are
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: just like red flags to me.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: Who puts his timeline together.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: The HSCA, oh god, that's what I'm and there and
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: look again, another reference to Marina and Lee. Lee no
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: longer pretended to go to work. He told Marina that
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: it was a holiday and he was going to collect
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 4: his paycheck.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: What he is it on Tuesday?
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: Maybe a Jewish holiday, It's easy. April tenth, Oswald told Marina.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: So again, he's telling Marina, according to Marina and Lee,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: that he lost his job on the day of the
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: Walker shooting and he's been, you know, practicing blah blah blah,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: although we have no evidence of that, and I just
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: thought that was so silly. Now we have. The twelfth,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: he followed the claim for the unemployment benefits, which we
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: do know happened, and the thirteenth, the Mornstules came to
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: the apartment on the evening of April thirteenth to bring
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: an Easter gift for the Oswald Child June blah blah blah.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: And I'm just going to skip forward to that, so
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: we're gonna get to who was Frank Bartes? Okay, and
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: before I play the video, I'm gonna go to this slide.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: His kryptonym was a M surf one. This is from
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: the Mary Firth Federal Foundation. Francisco Frank Bartes CIA source.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: Bartes headed the New Orleans Cuban Revolutionary Council CRC and
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: was also FBI informant and a CI informant. And his
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: contact was Warrenrews.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: Bruce.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: No, I don't say it like that. I'm not going to.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: Low was Bartz's case officer as.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: Of sixty one. Yeah. Yeah, so talk about some guy
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: playing full side three sides of the fence. Really.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He's a CIA source contact whatever you want to
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: call him, and an FBI informant and an anti Castro
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: uh angry Cuban exile mm hmmm. Wow. And and he's
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: high out the CRC.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, for New Orleans for sure. So let me
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: stop sharing this as I learn this new thing of ours,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 4: this thing of Oz and get to the w D
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: s U video of Oswalt in the courtroom.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: My c RC members, Okay, and again, let's identify these
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: guys for people you're looking at. You're gonna be looking
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: at Frank Bartz. You're gonna be looking at uh Silviodio's uncle,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: Augustin Guittart. You're gonna be looking at Rodriguez and his
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: brother and his father.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, Oswalt's alleged first contact in New Orleans, Cuban contact.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: And I believe carlos Kiroga is there as well. Yeah,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: so a let see your c members, folks.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: Let me see if I can play this at half
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: speed because it has no audio. Let's see if this
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: works so we can get some good looks, because I
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: honestly don't know which one bartest is, so maybe you
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: could help me with us.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: I believe he's the one in sunglasses.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: Him.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: No, No, that's the old man, uh Rodriguez. Oh okay,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: that's the father of Emilio and Arnesto, the one right
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: in the front there that you barely saw him turn.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: That was him. Yeah.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: And you have Lee here trolling.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: Hanging out in the courthouse saying yeah, I see you guys.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: So this one and right here, yes, let me let
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: me pause it to get a because I did clip.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: This this guy.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 11: Yes, I believe that is Frank Bartees Jesus Christ. It's
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 11: like the who's who of Cia anti Castro Cubans here.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and many of them are wearing sunglasses in a
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: building in nineteen sixty three.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 4: I wear my suw and glasses at night. Which one
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: is he?
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: I believe this. I don't know if these are the
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: guys or if this is Brignier, Hernandez and Cruz. I
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: can't remember.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Manuel Cruz, Yeah, I think you're right, Miguel, Yeah, Miguel.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: Now there's old man back there. They said they're all together,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: they all know each other. There's there's the guide book
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: for the Marines that Oswald gave when he went into
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: his store. Yeah, not he put he come in my store.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: He give me this book. He say, you want to
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: help us. He's secretly cast your lover.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: Not not in great quality. In Amazon, it would be
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: considered the lowest quality.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's a very loved copy, if you will. Pages
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: is a little stuck together l H. Oswald.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 12: Yeah right, yeah, see right here he named he's naming
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 12: right here? Oh, let me go back.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: Was that Bartas.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah here? Yeah, I think I don't know, Like you said,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: they all looked, they all looked. That's some black suits.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: Who the fuck knows?
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 4: David Boylan probably knows. We'll ask, we'll ask him when
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 4: he comes.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: Back on in titles for this song bitch okay, and
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: then of course international trademark.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 4: Oswalt is not the third. He goes back on the
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 4: sixteenth to hand out leaflets again, pause it right.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: Here, Joe, all right? That tall guy okay, that is
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: handing out leaflets. That's Charles Steele, okay, allegedly just some
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: rando that he saw at the Louisiana Unemployment office, okay,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: and paid five dollars to hand these things out. Now
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: there is another person helping Oswald hand out leafless that
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: we'll get to in a second that I have identified,
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: and it's very interesting.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 4: And the tall guy you mean on the left here.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, just and this is I think one of
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: those other guys on the right and the white shirts
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: is the other person helping him hand leaflets out. I think, right, well,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: which one?
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: Well, lucky for you, I have later my power point
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: Oswalt's letters to the Fair Play for Cuba Committee saying
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 4: he paid everyone two dollars, two people, two dollars. I
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: believe it was two dollars.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: And I think the Warrer Commission can never identify the
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: other person. They got Charles Steele, but they couldn't never
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: identify the other person. Well, the HSCA identifies him, and
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: it's very interesting who the fuck he is? But we'll
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: get there problems.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: So again, this is that point five speed.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: There goes Judy Baker and her lad skirt.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 4: Hold on, let me go back to this as we
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 4: see Oswalt's smile off the camera. Oh shit, oh god,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: it's so quick, too slow, And no, I'm not I'm trying.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: There we go.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: You caught him.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 4: He is not a care in the fucking world.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: Nope, loving life.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: And whoever these dark complexed men are behind him?
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: Who the fuck knows Cubans? I would assume.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't, I don't know. They don't seem very
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: just off.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: I'll give you two dollars in a hand job. Help
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: me out.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is uh oh, this is the tall guy
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: right right, and this is this the guy they say
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: that was Shelley. No, no, who might have just been
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: smoking a sig. Look at his short. I respect that
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 4: a don doesn't wear shorts. That's just that's the Sopranos quote.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: Uh, there's the Don walking down the street with yeah,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know on his waist, and then we go
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: there to the W to the I love it.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 4: It's crazy, man, right, So who is Bartest? And I
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 4: have some documents to show here once I kind of figure.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: It out, Norman, let's just spell a myth here, a myth,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: a myth here real quick. No, not Ted Cruise's dad.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: That is a Chucky Baker bullshit claim that we do
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: not acknowledge here at the Limbum podcast.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: Did she come up with that? Uh?
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: She confirmed it. I don't know who first said it,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: but oh yeah it was Take Cruise of Dance, Miguel Cruz. No, no, no, no, no,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: all right, So who was Frank Bartiz?
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, like we just showed this, there we have.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: This is from nineteen sixty seven. We're gonna go a
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: little We're gonna jump around a little bit. But there
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: has been no information which involves Frank Artes cuban exile
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: in Garrison's investigation. Yeah, however, as a New Orleans citizen.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 4: He was prominent in Cuba, opposed to Castro, head of
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: the CRC count CRC in New Orleans and known to
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: Gerald Gerald Patrick Ming Rivera Galder Rivera too, and the
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: l Board Harry Leboard.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, asset also in New Orleans and also involved in
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: the training camps. Thank you welcome.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: Subject and alien former president. We're talking about Bartes here
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 4: of the Cuban railways.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, swinging dick.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he was pretty big. Front was approved for contact
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: use in January nineteen sixty one, like we saw on
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: the previous Mary Ferrell slide and May nineteen sixty seven.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 4: Of course, I'm sure he was approved throughout those dates.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 4: For Project JM eight, the FBI imposed no objections to
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 4: these contacts. He was to furnish information concerning Cuban rail ways.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: He was granted a provisional operational approval on for January
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty one for contact and assessment for you was
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: on Project j MATE.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: So he was an FBI informant before being approached by
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: the CIA. That's why they have that in there. The
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: FBI interposed no objections to these contacts, which means he
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: was an FBI informant before he was a CIA asset.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 4: Wow, okay, thank you. This approval was canceled on August
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: thirty one. August thirty first, sixty one, Yeah sure. On
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: seven October sixty five, subject was granted another POA for
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: use as a pilot in the Congo. Oh bartest went
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: to the Congo too?
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah wow?
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: Who else went to the Congo.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: Morales Rip Robertson, Westboro Morales, Monkey Morales.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah. He was covertly investigated with favorable results and
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: received in operational approval on fifteen November sixty five for
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 4: use as a PM pilot in Africa. He returned to
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: the United States on February eleven, sixty six, and his
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 4: clearance was canceled on October sixty six. So that's interesting.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 4: Subject is how old rob.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: For seven?
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: No say it for seven forty seven sixty seven your
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: boys hockey number. And it's not because of Trump, believe me.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: Years old. Born in Havana, Cuba. He was formerly president
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 4: of the Consolidated Railways of Cuba and also owned sugar
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: and rice plantations. He left Cuba because of his opposition
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 4: to Castro entered the US on January fourth, sixty one.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: And FBI report dated June fourteen sixty three from Non
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: Orleans concerned a visit by Bartes to the New Orleans
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: FBI office in which he offered his services to the
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: US government and said he would be willing to cooperate
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 4: with the US government in any acceptable plan the US
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: might devise to combat Castro's government with no thought of
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 4: personnel gain or favor. On December twentieth, sixty six, Bartes
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: called the New Orleans Domestic Contact Division, I believe that
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: stands for to inform that office that his mother had
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 4: arrived from Cuba and would be willing to provide information, okay.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 4: He also stated that a cousin, a twenty nine year
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 4: old pallerina Alicia Cruz Bostilio, not a communist and still
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 4: residing in Cuba, would be willing to help the US
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: if she was approached in the proper manner. So here
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 4: he is trying to get his family to, you know,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: over to the United States and also offer intelligence. Right.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: There was no record of Alicia Bastille Leo inn Office
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 4: of Security Indices and no indication that these offers were
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: acceptable acceptable by the agency. This is also just another
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 4: thing Bartes appeared. I think this is from the HCA.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 4: New Orleans CRC occupied the Newman Building of course, five
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 4: forty four Camp Street, sixty one sixty two. Antonio de
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 4: Varonna came to New Orleans to speak on behalf of
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 4: CRC on November fifteenth, sixty three. Which is interesting was
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: government funding for CRC cut off on May first. Bartes
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: appeared with Brigner at court hearing and argued with Oswalt
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 4: on August twelfth. The same day, Bartes claims to have
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: warned his FBI contact that Oswalt was quote a dangerous
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 4: man end quote. Bartes was also instrumental in bringing Gerald
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: Patrick Hemming to New Orleans in late June of nineteen
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: sixty two, met with Hemming and two others in Miami.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: CI crip for CRC was am Budd Bartes, an informant
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 4: for CIA's Domestic Contact Division. Guy Banister found Friends of
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 4: Democratic Cuba to fundraise for New Orleans CRC group and
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: helps ARCATCHA Smith get office at five forty four Cantrey
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: Blah blah blah. So interesting stuff here. And uh, let's
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: see this is HSCA volume X.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: Now real quick, you see folks, all of these prime
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: suspects in New Orleans. You see how they're all interconnected.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: They all knew each other, They're all in this, running
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: in the same circles. These names keep popping up over
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: and over. Nothing is a coincidence in New Orleans. Nothing.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: These people are connected.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: I mean you saw right there. Guy Banster founded the
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: Friends of Democratic Cuba to raise money for the CRC,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: strictly a fundraising operation, which we'll get to here in
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: a minute. Okay, eyewitness inside Banister's office.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 4: At the time of the Secret Service investigator. Let me see.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 4: During the course of the investigation, the Secret Service ascertained
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 4: that the New Orleans chapter of the CRC had occupied
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: an office of five forty four Camp Street for about
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 4: six months during sixty one to sixty two. At that time,
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 4: Sergiocachia Smith was the official CRC delegate. The Secret Service
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: also learned that Arcocha Smith had been fired from his
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: position by the Miami CRC headquarters in early nineteen sixty two,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 4: allegedly because he did not have the confidence of the
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 4: New Orleans Cuban exile community and replaced Lewis Rebel replaced
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 4: Arcata Smith. At the time of the Secret Service investigation.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 4: Another Cuban exile, Frank bart has headed the New Orleans
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: CRC delegation and maintained offices in his home at Metairie,
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 4: the suburb of New Orleans. After an extensive investigation by
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 4: the FBI and the Secret Service regarding the disability that
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: Oswald rented office space at five forty four Camp Street,
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 4: the Warren Commission the Warrenport concluded there was no evidence
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: that Oswald ever maintained in office at that address. That's true.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 4: Warren Commission said he didn't, But I'm going to show
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 4: you a letter from him shortly that might be contrary
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 4: to that. Then this is just a document talking about
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 4: him informing on Gerald Patrick Hemming. This is July of
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 4: sixty two. Remember we talked about how we got Heming
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 4: to come to New Orleans in sixty two and his friends. Yep.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 4: Bartes advised that the see our Cuban Revolutionary Front group
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: in New Orleans has approved the idea of looking at
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 4: possibilities of establishing establishing oh a training camp in the
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 4: vicinity of New Work Orlans, but we have not definitely
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 4: decided to establish such a camp.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: Again, these are training camps funded by the CIA, and
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: then shut down by the kennedys mm hmm.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 4: Via the FBI, yep or the same in the last
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 4: paragraph here, Uh, now we have a c I A.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 4: I believe, I don't know that this might be the
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: rest of the FBI Bartes. This is the rest of
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: the FBI document. Bartes advised that he would keep the
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 4: f B I advised of any developments in this regard.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 4: So who knows what what Bartes was really up to.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: This is a c I A document, uh talking about
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 4: Bartes And I'm not going.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: To read that first section at the very very bottom.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 4: Proposal made to New Orleans Cuban refuge Refugee Group for
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 4: the military training of a refugee group in the State
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 4: of Louisiana, nineteen seventies.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: The CIA funding the CRC to open a training camp
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: in the United States for the purpose of purpose of
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: training Cuban refugees to attack Cuba.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 4: And right, you have the CIA funding it, you have
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 4: the FBI trying to shut it down, you have the
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: Kennedy administration trying to shut it down. Post Bay of Pigs.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 4: It's a freaking mess.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: And if you think it didn't piss him off, you're wrong.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: Right. I'm not gonna let me see. I'm not going
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 4: to read all.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: This he'sus informing on him and the board and Howard K.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 4: Dave right, which just confirms that he was. He was
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 4: giving information to both the CIA and the FBI. When
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 4: Bartes returned to New Orleans, according to him, he contacted
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 4: the local office of the FBI and asked them if
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 4: he could and his words clear Laric Labourd. Bartes said
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 4: that at the time. Later the FBI did contact Ravel
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 4: and told him it's just a function in the weed
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 4: stuff that we've already gotten a part of. But so
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 4: this is We've talked about this a lot in the
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 4: show Rob. This is Lee's August first letter to VT
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 4: Lee of the Fair Fair Play for Cuba Committee. I
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: put in B instead of a P. That is my fault,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 4: and he goes. I rented an office as I in
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: my efforts to start a branch of the FPCC in
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 4: New Orleans, rented an office as I planned, and was
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 4: promptly closed three days later for some obscure reasons by
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 4: the renters. They said something about remodeling, et cetera. I'm
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 4: sure you understand. So we talk about Lee having an
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 4: office in on you know Guy Banister's five forty four
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 4: Camp Lafayette Street. Apparently he was kicked out after three days,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 4: so maybe that lends credence to why only some of
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 4: his pamphlets had five forty four Camp Street on it.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Through After that, I worked out of
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 4: a post office box and by using that's spelled wrong.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 4: Street demonstrations and some curricular work have sustained a great
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 4: deal of interest, but no new members, though the efforts
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 4: of some Cubic exile gusanos. A street demonstration was attacked
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 4: and we were officially cautioned by police. This incident robbed
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 4: me of what support I had, leaving me alone. Nevertheless,
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 4: thousands of circulars were distributed and many many pamphlets which
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 4: your aufice supplied interested. We also managed to picket the fleet,
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 4: that is, the Navy fleet when they docked when it
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 4: came in, and I was surprised that the number of
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: officers who were interested in our literature. I continued to
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 4: receive through my post office box inquiries and questions, which
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 4: I shall endeavor to keep answering spelled wrong to the
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 4: best of my ability. Thank you, Signed Lee.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: Harvey Oswald, that's the best spiller.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 4: No, And then he writes them again on August twelfth,
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 4: which is eleven days later, continuing my efforts on behalf
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 4: of the FPCC in New Orleans, I find I even
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 4: cured the displeasure of the Cuban x worms. Here I
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 4: was attacked by three of them, as the copy of
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 4: the enclosed summons indicates, I was fined ten dollars in
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 4: the three Cubans were not fined because of quote lack
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 4: of evidence end quote. As the judge said, I am
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 4: very glad I am stirring things up and shall continue
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 4: to do so, as he did on sixteenth. This incident
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 4: was given considerable coverage and the press on local TV
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 4: news broadcast. I'm sure it will be to the good
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 4: of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. Letter furnish from
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 4: Lee Hervey Oswald and this is all.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: In now is different from the August first letter.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 4: Yes, so this is the August twelfth letter.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, So he wrote a letter on the first talking
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: about the worms, the gasano's in a scuffle.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 4: Well, the worms he used here, but he used gasanos
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 4: on the on the first letter.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that's Spanish for worms. Okay.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 4: I didn't know that. Yes, weird, very weird, very weird.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 4: And and then he writes again on the seventeenth, which
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 4: is five days later. Okay, dear mister Lee, which of
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 4: course is mister V. T. Lee the FPCC since I
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 4: last you, since I last wrote you August thirteenth about
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 4: my arrest and finding New Orleans for disrupt destruct disruptive
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 4: te disrupted literature, which might also I think he spelled
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 4: that right. For FPCC, things have been moving pretty fast.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 4: On August sixteenth, I organized a FPCC demonstration of three people, right,
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 4: That's what we just went over with the video. This
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 4: demonstration was given considerable coverage by WDSFU channel six and
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 4: also Buyer Channel four TV station. Due to that, I
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 4: was invited by Bill Stucky also spelled a wrongly. STUKEH
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 4: got a Lovely to appear on his TV show called
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 4: Latin American Focus at seven thirty pm Saturdays, w TSU
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 4: channel six.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: Otherwise there's Latin listening post.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah. After this fifteen minute interview which was on which
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 4: was film on magnetic type at four PM for rebroadcast
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 4: at seven thirty, I was flooded with callers and invitations
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 4: to debate et cetera, as well as people interested in
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 4: joining the FBCC New Orleans branch. That is that, then,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 4: is what happened up to this day and hour. You
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 4: can you can, I think, be happy with the developing
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 4: situation here in New Orleans. I would, however, like to
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 4: ask you to rush to more literature, particularly the White
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 4: Sheet Truth about Cuba regarding government restrictions on travel, as
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 4: I am quickly running out reading running spunk wrong. Yours
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 4: truly the agent, and I thought that was interesting, Rob
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 4: all right? Like multiple letters within what less than three weeks? Crazy?
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know, James, you guess is as good as ours?
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: Who was he? Who was he? M?
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 4: That's uh?
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: Back me here, yes, sir? Okay. Now, the HSCA talked
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: to a lot of Guy Banister's secretaries that were in
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: his office, MH. Louise Decker being one of them. She
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: didn't work there long, and in fact, she didn't work
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: there in nineteen sixty three, but she worked in his
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: office from October of sixty one to January of sixty two,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: which is prime Castro hate in season. Subject was located
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: at her place of employment at the Civilian Defense Office
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: in Slydale, Louisiana, Trey. She states she is now married
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: and resides at Box seven seventy one m BYU Liberty Roads,
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: Slide Deal, Louisiana. The following is the snopsis of said
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: interview and then again this was done on May twelve,
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: seventy eight. So for the NCA, subject states she was
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: employed a guy banished his office for only three months,
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: but while there she observed numerous persons entering and leaving
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: his office. She helped set up his files using an
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: FBI filing system. She stated that Banister had files on everyone,
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: including Castro, Sergio Arcasia. Smith and Banister had frequent talks
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: about raising fund ones in the office. And by the way,
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: at that time, Sergio was head of the CRC and
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: was running meetings out of five point forty four Camp Street,
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: same building Banister at his office. Bill Nets, another former
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: FBI buddy of Banisters, joined up with him for a
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: short time in an effort to gain a contract from
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: the Miss sew or misshu Basse, but the effort failed.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: She never saw any munitions in the office, that is,
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: guns or grenades or wasn't.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 4: Wasn't Bill Niski the person that that discovered Banister dead. Yes, well,
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 4: uh went to the house.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the other Gumar found him Bill and then they
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 2: brook in the house and yeah wow wow okay.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: David Ferry visited his office frequently, but she never saw
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: Clay Shaw at the office. Okay. She heard about Banister
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: and Jack Martin's dispute from Joe Nuba new Bro. She
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: saw carlos excuse me, carlos Kiroga, Grady Durham, David Lewis,
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: and Delphine Roberts in Banister's office frequently. Again, carlos Kiroga,
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: Grady Durham who he founded the his Cuba thing with,
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: David Lewis, one of Jack Martin's little protege, but buddies
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: who said some interesting things. And Delphine yeah, friends of
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: Democratic Cuba. Yes. A photo book supplied by this committee,
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: numbered n C bunch of order from one to one
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 2: hundred and ten was shown to Louise Decker with photos
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: seventy two and seventy three missing, was viewed by subject
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: with negative results. After a discussion about the photos, the
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: subject identified the following Jack Martin, David Ferry, Banister, carlos
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: Kirogo YadA, YadA, YadA. Subject further states the Banister was
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: an arch conservative and made calls to Washington frequently, and
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: to her knowledge, received direct calls from Jay edga Hoova frequently.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and even China. Banister confirmed that they were
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 4: in contact shortly before his death.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, I believe. I love it, Joe, I love it.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 4: I love it. We're flowing here, Bro, we're cooking and.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: We're about to We're about to make some more suit.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: Deputy Leonard Spears from the East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff's
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: Office advised us on December fifth, nineteen sixty three. This
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: is the FBI, by the way, that sometime within the
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: twenty four hour period following the assassination of Kennedy, a
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: film strip was shown on one of the local TV stations.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: This strip was from station WDSU in New Orleans, which
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: we just saw and reflected the activities of Oswald and
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: others in that city concerning them distribution of pamphlets for
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in the summer of
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: sixty three. One of the individuals passing out pamphlets was
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: recognized by Spears. Okay, and it wasn't Charles Steele. It
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: was the other guy.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: This man's name was James Harlowe McCurley, formerly of fifteen
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: thirty six North twenty third Street in Baton Rouge. That's
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: the Red Stake, Louisiana. McCurley is a suspected homosexual, and
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: in connection with these homosexual activities, he uses the name Madeir.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: You can just call me Madeir, Joe Madeir.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 4: I'll call you that from now, stop at stop at
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 4: stop at Meda.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: McCurley was arrested by the Sheriff's Office and City Police
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: Department on March sixteenth, nineteen sixty three, in a raid
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: on the Black Lamp Lounge at sixteen twenty eight Main Street.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 4: So sounds ol saus you reckon.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: McCurley has several previous arrests by the Baton Rouge and Beaumont,
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: Texas Police departments. Most of these are for Joe disorderly conduct,
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: although one charge is for rape and probably not of
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: a woman. Not that that's anybody you understand, yes. Uh
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 2: Spears stated that in viewing the film strip, McCurley was
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: actually shown passing out the leaflets and when he ran
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: out of the leaflets, he walked over to Oswald and
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: received the new supply. McCurley has previously been employed as
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: a cook for Tidle House in both Baton Rouge and
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: New Orleans. His date of birth is eleven, twenty four,
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: thirty seven. He is a white male six foot two
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: and a half inches tall, weighing one hundred and seventy
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: five pounds, brown hair and blue eyes. His FBI number
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: is two nine nine DASH three nine seven D. The
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: last arrest known to Louisiana authorities was on March twenty second,
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 2: sixty three, when he was arrested with his brother. Okay,
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: so we have James Farlow McCurley and his brother, now
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: Richard Letsch McCurley, on a charge of disorderly conduct. Oh,
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: by the way, Joe. His brother, Richard McCurley is also
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: a suspected homosexual. Records of the Baton Rouge Police Department
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: reflected it. Richard was born February twentieth, nineteen thirty six
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: as a white male, six foot one, one hundred and
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: seventy three pounds, brown hair and haes lies. His last
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: known address is fifteen thirty six North twenty third Street,
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: Baton Laruge, Louisiana, and his FBI number is six forty
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: nine DASH six one three B. Richard has also been
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: employed as a cook by the Title House in the
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: Baton Rouge area. Now, I don't know if this is
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 2: like a waffle House competitor or.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 4: I love.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: Damn it. Oh man, the second page didn't come out
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: when I printed it. Look.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 4: Oh no, it's going going into the burn barrel.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: Oh man. There were some juicy stuff on that page.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 4: And and I think this is a good time rob
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 4: to uh to recognize uh.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: Dick McCurley stage oh, Richard, Dick McCurley.
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 4: But uh on our members only. Not two days ago.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 4: Last Wednesday, Sally identified James Hosty's younger brother as John
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 4: Thomas Hosty of none other than the New Orleans PD. Yes,
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 4: and that was a really good find. And I just
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 4: want to give her credit for that, because we've.
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: Forgot identified him and she confirmed Yeah.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And she sent me a lot of corroborating evidence,
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 4: obituaries and other things I'm not going to send to
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 4: my email and try to put on my power point now.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 4: But good work, Sally. And isn't that crazy. I mean,
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 4: imagine that type of source, right, if you're Hosty having
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 4: your brother on the force of the NPD.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: You know, craziness, craziness, and you know, just to sum
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: all this up, Joe, I think I'll save this other
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: thing I got for members only next week because if
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: we we're running a little long in the tooth here,
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: but that's we like to do, as happens. But there's
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: a lot of juicy information and tidbits here, folks. You know,
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: we go back to New Orleans often and just find
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: treasure troves of shit. Now it doesn't mean anything, I mean,
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: it could mean something, but it does prove that all
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: these guys are connected, or they know each other, or
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: their FBI informants or their CIA sponsored and they are
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: all surrounding Lee Harvey Oswald. I wish I had a
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: nickel for everybody who says that they saw Lee Harvey
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 2: Oswald handing out leaflets on Canal Street. I mean, it
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: must have been a full house, Joe, of people, including
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: Dean Andrews or Aspayania, you know bart Is, the mccurly brothers.
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like everybody and their brother just happened
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 2: to be just happened to be in front of the
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: trade mark on Canal Street, or just happened to be
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: at the Fractice. Yeah, it's insane how many people said
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: that they saw this, So there there there There had
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: to be an announcement of some sorts or some communication
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: between parties that was like, you know, shit's about to
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: go down today. You know, you might want to be
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: there to check it out. Yeah, I don't know, but
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: it's a lot.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 4: Especially when you talked about that the FBI was possibly
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 4: taking photos from across the street.
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of the Fractice Tottlehouse locations were later converted to
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: staking eight kitchens, so something like a waffle house before
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: waffle house title house. Nice.
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 4: Nice. Yeah, I wish. I wish there was a you know,
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 4: Texas to Portal History DPD document collection in New Orleans,
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 4: And maybe there is, and we just don't know about it,
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 4: and it's online. But I wanted to highlight a comment
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 4: from James Smith earlier. Bartes isn't in the Congo group
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 4: photo unless he's listed under an aka, and I believe
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 4: he is referring to the picture of Renee Garcia with
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 4: the umbrella and Rip Robertson and all the other Cubans
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 4: and scaffoozas and Congo. I don't know what Frank Bartes
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 4: was in that photo. He might be. We will ask
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 4: David Boylan next time he comes on in April. For sure,
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna ask that. I'm writing it down so.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: And you know, also, Joe, I didn't.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 4: I didn't.
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: Get around to printing it out. But there was a
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: forty five page interview. It was done by the HSCA
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 2: with Raymond Forshers, you know, the Reverend Raymond Shears, leader
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: of the Lap of your Panthers. Yes, and I know
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 2: he was interviewed extensively by Garrison. But the HSCA stuff
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: is pure gold.
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 2: And you know he was a friend of David Fairry.
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 4: Was he wasn't he all that ice skating trip too?
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 6: No?
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 4: No, no, he wasn't.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: He was a friend of David Fairry. Uh, I think
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: starting in like sixty five. So he wasn't his friend
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty three, but later.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 4: Got it, got it.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 2: And what he says, David Ferry told him all kinds
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: of shit, like all kinds of shit.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 4: I bet, I mean when you're doing drugs and near
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 4: hosting parties. Uh, you know, loose lips, sink ships, grip.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: Dis yes, whatever, you just said Joe, you know what,
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: I just whatever, whatever I tried to say, uh.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 4: Uh yeah.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: And that Tony.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, that that is uh that is one of
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 4: the more and receiterious things as compared to, uh the
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 4: Doyle film, who I think was coincidental.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're from Oregon, just some randos that
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: just happened to be walking down the street with the
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: Jay the John T. Martin stuff. And that's suspect as hell,
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: suspect as hell given who he was. I mean, he's
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: right wing minute men who loved doctor, who loved General Walker,
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: right and it happened to be meeting General Walker and
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: then going to New Orleans.
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 4: I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's kind of like,
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 4: you know, there are all these different operations and agendas
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 4: going on at the same time, agency agendas, and we
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 4: kind of just throw our hands up and like, who
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 4: the hell knows what kind of you know, reindeer games
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 4: were being played there between the different agencies, between the
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 4: different Cuban exile groups. It's craziness. It's just it's that's
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 4: why it's so hard to kind of unravel. I hope
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 4: we didn't confuse you more in this episode, and you
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 4: learn something. But I know, I definitely did you.
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 2: Just see all of these players that we've been talking
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: about for years and years and years, how interconnected they
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 2: really all were. And they were all surrounding Oswald in
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 2: the summer sixty three prior to the assassination, like sharks
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: with blood in the water, right, right, So what does
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: that tell you.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 4: There was an operational interest in Oswald?
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 2: But see, that also makes me think too, Joe, because
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: it goes from that extreme where Oswald is up VT
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: Lee's ass and he's all about FPCC and all about
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: all this shit and provoking the Cubans and all this stuff, right,
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: and then at the end of August it all stops,
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 2: stops at Halts for some reason, and then he's like,
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: all right, fuck it, I'm going to Mexico.
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And people like Bart has stopped informing on Oswald
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 4: around then, as well, as David Boylan pointed out towards.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: But then we have Oswald after he comes back from Mexico.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: Everything's don't work out the way he planned for them
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: to work out in Mexico. He comes back to Dallas.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: But what does he do, Joe. He does not live
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: in Dallas under his own name, right, he doesn't even
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: tell his wife where he's living. Yeah, because maybe, just
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: maybe he figured out what the fuck they were doing
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: to him in New Orleans and he was like, all right,
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to go through all this again, because
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 2: he didn't once he got back to Dallas. It wasn't
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 2: business as usual for Oswald what he was doing a
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 2: couple months ago. Right, he stopped writing VT Lee, stopped
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 2: pimping the FPCC, He's quit that narrative all together, and
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: he focused on get a job and going to work
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: every day. Yeah, and also name someplace with it. Nobody
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: knew who he was or where he was.
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and also attending Walker meetings with Michael Payne. I mean,
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 4: what the hell is going on here? I just I
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 4: really don't know, and it's crazy. And Sally asked a
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 4: good question. Will there be a show Wednesday, which would
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 4: be Christmas Eve? And I could say no because I
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 4: have a Christmas Eve obligation girlfriend's family. I don't know
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 4: exactly how we're going to figure that out. Maybe we
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 4: do it Tuesday. I don't know. Well, Rob and I
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 4: will talk offline about how we handle that. There's also
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 4: I think something on New Year's Eve. Is a Wednesday,
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 4: so listen, it's the holidays. We're going to figure it out.
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 4: We don't know, just like we don't know what the
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 4: fuck is going on here.
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: It'll be one of three options, Sally. Either will pre
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: record and the show will come out Wednesday, or we'll
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: do it. We'll move it to Tuesday or Monday and
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 2: do it live. Or I was due by myself Wednesday night.
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: I'm an old spinster. We'll figure it out.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you will miss me. And yeah, he did stop
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 4: going to his typing classes. Yeah during the April.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: Oh it's kind of hard to go, you know, to
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 2: your typing class when you're when you're in another state, Joe.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, or when you're carrying your rifle with your with
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 4: your infant daughter on the street, or which makes no
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 4: sense whatsoever. And I for all the great things the
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 4: hsc A did, I can't believe they constructed this timeline
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 4: based on Marina and Lee. I'm like, it was shocked
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 4: to me.
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 2: Well, they had a lot of skaffuses working for him,
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 2: and some of the suffuses were not as smart as
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 2: the others, that's true. And they were short on funding
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 2: and t and things got rushed and not double checked,
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: and it is what it is. Better than nothing is
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 2: what we call it around here. Yeah, but with that
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 2: being said, Joe, grab the damn dog.
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 4: I'll grab by if I can get her by his.
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 2: Belt loops and drag him and his parasols dancing ass
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: on in here where. Yeah he did not, but he said,
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  Speaker 2: we love you. We appreciate a wonderful week.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 13: Thank you, thank you, thank you, Brandon, double blessing. Then
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 13: with membership, people and the sea, we greatly appreciate.
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 2: There's a movie and it's talking up Dave Ferry.
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  Speaker 14: The Greatest Crimes, the reason the name of justice quotation
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 14: as Jim Garrison's I think against him in this strange case.
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  Speaker 13: And if we don't see you before the holidays, Merry Christmas,
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 13: Happy Swans, happy and all.
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 2: That, that's we're restless. Yes, just the holidays season, just
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 2: the reason for the season. No, David Ferry is not
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 2: the reason for the season. That's that would be Jesus Joe.
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 2: By the way, all right, folks, that's it for us.
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 2: I'm Rob Clark, he is Joe Borelli, and we are
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: the Lonegoming Podcast and we are out of this Sach