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NICK REINER MURDER RAMPAGE TRIGGERED BC HOLLYWOOD WEIGHT GAIN FEARS? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The Nick Reiner alleged murder
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  Speaker 1: rampage triggered because of Hollywood weight gain fears.
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  Speaker 2: Two people dead.
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  Speaker 1: To never be and their children's lives again, their grandchildren's lives,
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  Speaker 1: our lives. Rob and Michelle Reiner dead because of Hollywood
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  Speaker 1: weight gain fears that triggered the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us. Rob
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  Speaker 1: Reiner and Michelle Reiner brutally slashed dead in their own beds,
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  Speaker 1: slaughtered in their own home.
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  Speaker 2: It's just unthinkable.
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  Speaker 3: We are fully confident.
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  Speaker 4: That you'll convict Nick Reiner beyond the reasonable doubt of
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  Speaker 4: the brutal murders of his parents, Rod Reiner and Michelle
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  Speaker 4: Singer Reiner, and do so unanimous.
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  Speaker 5: Then, thank you very much, Ninda.
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  Speaker 6: Sources saint Reiner believes he's the victim of a conspiracy
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  Speaker 6: after killing his parents. Claims Reiner knows he killed his parents,
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  Speaker 6: but doesn't understand why he's in jail. Reiner thinks people
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  Speaker 6: are conspiring against him. Sources claim it's likely Reiner will
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  Speaker 6: plead not guilty by reason of insanity, placing the blame
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  Speaker 6: on unbalanced schizophrenia meds.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, Nick Reiner is sitting behind bars on the
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  Speaker 1: double murder charges of his father, Rob Reiner and mother
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  Speaker 1: Michelle Singer Reiner.
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  Speaker 2: Yet he thinks, hey, hey, Nick Reiner is the victim.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure how that flipped around, straight out
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  Speaker 1: to Dr Bethany Marshall joining us renown psycho Anas, author
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  Speaker 1: of deal Breaker, joining us from this jurisdiction. You can
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  Speaker 1: see her now on peacock and find her at doctor
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  Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com.
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  Speaker 2: How did that flip? They're dead, their throats were split
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  Speaker 2: in their bed.
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  Speaker 1: They sustained multiple knife wounds indicating they fought back. Yet
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  Speaker 1: he thinks he's the victim of a conspiracy. And number two,
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  Speaker 1: after I finished with Doctor Bethany Marshall, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: go to defense attorney Josh Coldry because I think the
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  Speaker 1: defense is leaking all of this in dribbles to tank
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  Speaker 1: the jury pool. But that said, how has he determined
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  Speaker 1: he's the victim? Doctor Bethany Well.
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  Speaker 2: Nancy, There's two possibilities.
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  Speaker 7: One is that he has been drug addicted for so
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  Speaker 7: long that he has a personality disorder that has developed
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  Speaker 7: that just compels him to manipulate people all the time,
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  Speaker 7: to always feel that it's everybody else's fault and he
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  Speaker 7: bears no responsibility. The other is that he could have
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  Speaker 7: a drug induced psychosis that is still lingering that causes paranoia,
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  Speaker 7: and that paranoia was an element in the slaying of
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  Speaker 7: his parents, for instance, feeling like they were the devil
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  Speaker 7: coming to get him, or the devil was going to
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  Speaker 7: get them, so he had to kill them to spare
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  Speaker 7: their souls, or some paranoid conspiracy like that that's still
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  Speaker 7: lingering on while he's incarcerated.
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  Speaker 1: I mean to Alexis Tereschuk in the courtroom, watching every
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  Speaker 1: move during the first hearings, Alexis Tereschuk, Crime Stories, investigative reporter,
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  Speaker 1: Alexis All of this.
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  Speaker 2: Is dribbling out.
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  Speaker 1: I believe leaked by the defense because let's look at
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  Speaker 1: who has access to Nick Reiner.
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  Speaker 2: To get his defense. Only his defense attorneys.
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  Speaker 1: They're the only ones speaking to him behind bars.
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  Speaker 2: He's in isolation.
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  Speaker 1: He is not around other inmates because they don't want
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  Speaker 1: him to be killed. They don't want him to commit
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  Speaker 1: suicide and pull in Epstein, So who else can he
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  Speaker 1: talk to?
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  Speaker 2: This is coming from the defense.
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  Speaker 1: These insanity theories, these schizophrenic.
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  Speaker 2: Theories, it's all coming from the defense.
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  Speaker 1: They are trying to skew public opinion before a jury
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  Speaker 1: has even struck Alexis.
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  Speaker 8: And his defense attorney at the time when I was
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  Speaker 8: in court was Alan Jackson, super high profile, you know
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  Speaker 8: him from the Karen Reid trial and many others. But
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  Speaker 8: he has said, white blank, he is not guilty by
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  Speaker 8: reason of insanity. And the way that he's going to
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  Speaker 8: do that is there are all these stories that are
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  Speaker 8: out there now about so Nick was on anti psychosis medicine,
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  Speaker 8: he was schizophrenic. He has been in rehab since he
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  Speaker 8: was fifteen years old. He is now in his thirties,
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  Speaker 8: so fifteen years of different rehibs in and out, in
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  Speaker 8: and out, in and out. His parents have tried to
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  Speaker 8: stop the addiction. They've tried to help him with a
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  Speaker 8: job so he would have his own money, so he
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  Speaker 8: wouldn't feel overshadowed by his father's amazing career. But then
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  Speaker 8: now the story's coming out allegedly that he has very,
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  Speaker 8: very concerned about the medicine that he's on because it
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  Speaker 8: was making him gain weight. And again, you're right, Nancy,
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  Speaker 8: no one else is visiting Nick except his attorneys.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall.
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  Speaker 1: Much has been made of Nick Reiner using meth methamphetamine.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it true that psychiatrists, medical professionals, psychologists, psychoanalysts all
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  Speaker 1: agree that behavior while high on methamphetamine mimics schizophrenic psychosis.
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  Speaker 7: Absolutely, Nancy. When you think of the delusions, the hallucinations,
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  Speaker 7: the paranoia, the mood swings, you know, you can take
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  Speaker 7: those symptoms and assume it's schizophrenia, but you it could
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  Speaker 7: be caused by many other factors. And in this case,
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  Speaker 7: my first thought was methamphetamine. Methamphetamine when I heard this story. So,
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  Speaker 7: methamphetamine mimic schizophrenia, which is organic and genetic in nature.
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  Speaker 1: And isn't it true that the use of meth meth
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  Speaker 1: amphetamine actually exacerbates if you do have schizophrenia, it exacerbates,
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  Speaker 1: it makes it much.
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  Speaker 7: Worse, Absolutely, Nancy. Or let's say you have latent schizophrenia,
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  Speaker 7: meaning your schizophrenic, but the symptoms have not yet emerged.
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  Speaker 7: If you start using methanphetamine, it will bring those latent
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  Speaker 7: symptoms out. So think about the fact that he was
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  Speaker 7: in eighteen rehabs from the time he was fifteen years old.
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  Speaker 7: Schizophrenia develops between the ages of eighteen and twenty one.
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  Speaker 7: It could be that he actually activated a latent schizophrenia,
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  Speaker 7: or because of all the methews, he just presented with
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  Speaker 7: the same symptoms as schizophrenia. One way to know is
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  Speaker 7: how long those symptoms last once he's behind bars. So
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  Speaker 7: let's say those symptoms of paranoia, the delusions, the hallucine
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  Speaker 7: nations go on for months. Once he's incarcerated. Then you say, ah, okay,
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  Speaker 7: he's no longer using math, but he's still acting schizophrenic.
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  Speaker 7: He's schizophrenic.
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  Speaker 2: But if those.
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  Speaker 7: Symptoms remit fairly soon, then we know it's propelled by
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  Speaker 7: the myth.
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  Speaker 6: Some psychologists claim meth amphetamine psychosis, a possible effect of
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  Speaker 6: heavy meth use characterized by paranoia and hallucinations, closely resembles schizophrenia,
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  Speaker 6: typically considered a thought disorder. Schizophrenia is also characterized by
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  Speaker 6: hallucinations and delusions, accompanied by reduced emotional expression, lack of motivation,
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  Speaker 6: social withdrawal, and poverty of speech. Studies show nearly twenty
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  Speaker 6: two percent of patients first treated for methamphetamine psychosis are
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  Speaker 6: later diagnosed with schizophrenia.
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  Speaker 9: I got totally spun out on uppers. I think it
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  Speaker 9: was coke and something else, and I was up for
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  Speaker 9: days on end, and I started punching out different things
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  Speaker 9: in my guest.
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  Speaker 2: Houts, like a friend, like like what like a stuff
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  Speaker 2: in I.
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  Speaker 9: Think I started with the TV and then I went
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  Speaker 9: over to the lamp and then progressive. I just everything
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  Speaker 9: in the guest house got wrecked.
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  Speaker 1: From the Dopey podcast and on that podcast, Nick Reiner
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  Speaker 1: has been very very candid about his addiction to various
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  Speaker 1: drugs heroin, marijuana, uppers, downs, including metha amphetamine and the
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  Speaker 1: reason this matters now to Josh Colesrue, joining US veteran
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  Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor, and founder of the Colsru
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  Speaker 1: Law Offices, The reason it matters now which drug he
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  Speaker 1: was addicted to is because how can he argue some
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  Speaker 1: type of mental psychosis as a defense when that psychosis
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  Speaker 1: could be actually the use of methamphetamine or some type
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  Speaker 1: of psychotic state brought on by the use of metha
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  Speaker 1: and fetamine. Because you and I know that voluntary use
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  Speaker 1: of drugs or alcohol is.
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  Speaker 2: Not a defense.
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  Speaker 1: So if he has now developed a psychosis because of myth,
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  Speaker 1: how can that be a defense?
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  Speaker 2: That's voluntary use of drugs.
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  Speaker 4: I've actually litigated this issue, Nancy, and the law in
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  Speaker 4: California actually covers this exact scenario. So what is important
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  Speaker 4: is what was controlling on the date of event. Was
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  Speaker 4: it the drug use potentially the methamphetamine, or was it schizophrenia.
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  Speaker 10: You can have both.
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  Speaker 4: You can have both schizophrenia and drug use. But what
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  Speaker 4: the judge is going to have to decide when he
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  Speaker 4: decides whether or not insanity is going to be even
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  Speaker 4: allowed to be used, is what was controlling. So if
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  Speaker 4: we find out that he had methamphetamine in his system
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  Speaker 4: and that he voluntarily took it within a reasonable period
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  Speaker 4: of time before he murdered his parents, the prosecutors will
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  Speaker 4: have a decent argument that insanity doesn't apply in this case. However,
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  Speaker 4: the defense has a great argument that he was suffering
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  Speaker 4: from psychosis that he has no control over. First, we
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  Speaker 4: know that he has a diagnosis for schizophrenia, right and
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  Speaker 4: that second that his antipsychotic medication had just been changed,
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  Speaker 4: And in medicine, that is a danger window. You know,
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  Speaker 4: Medicine is what keeps a psychotic mind tethered to reality.
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  Speaker 4: And third, look at what happens immediately following his arrest.
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  Speaker 4: He acknowledges that he murdered his parents, but he doesn't
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  Speaker 4: understand why he's in jail, and he believes that this
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  Speaker 4: case is a conspiracy. You know, that's not evasion, it's
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  Speaker 4: not delusion. It's a person who doesn't understand the wrongfulness
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  Speaker 4: of his actions, and under the law, that is what
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  Speaker 4: insanity really is.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you know what.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate everything you're saying, Josh Colsruye, but I believe
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  Speaker 1: his actions immediately after the murder show he did know
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  Speaker 1: what he was doing was wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Number One, he fled the scene.
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  Speaker 1: Number two, he hid from his family and from police,
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  Speaker 1: and there was a serious search for him, and he
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  Speaker 1: managed to elude police. He checked into a motel under
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  Speaker 1: his own name.
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  Speaker 2: He knew how to do that. To avoid being caught.
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  Speaker 1: He blacked out the windows in the motel with sheets
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  Speaker 1: so no one could see him. He realized he was covered.
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  Speaker 1: This is the inside of the motel. He realized he
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  Speaker 1: was covered with his parents' blood. And he goes and
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  Speaker 1: takes a shower, leaving a blood trail behind him, puts
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  Speaker 1: on clean clothes, clean shoes, clean shirt pants, washes his
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  Speaker 1: hair and then decides he's hungry and thirsty, walks to
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  Speaker 1: a seven eleven very calmly and his matching outfit goes
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  Speaker 1: straight to the refrigerated beverage area, gets a drink, and
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  Speaker 1: then goes and stands patiently in line and pays for
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  Speaker 1: his drink. He was hiding out. Then when police come
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  Speaker 1: to arrest him, he doesn't fight, he doesn't say anything.
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  Speaker 1: He holds his hands up. He knows why he is
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  Speaker 1: getting arrested. This video from our friends at CBS News
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  Speaker 1: and New York Post. I think that is going to
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  Speaker 1: be controlling, no matter what is cooked up between now
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  Speaker 1: and the trial crime stories with Nancy Grace joining me
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  Speaker 1: right now, guys, special guest Rob Shooter. He is the
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  Speaker 1: host of Naughty but Nice podcast, author of a brand
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  Speaker 1: new hit book on Amazon called It Started with a
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  Speaker 1: Whisper and you can find at Robsheeter dot substack dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you and Casey Anthony you're both on substack. My okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'll let that pass. Robsheeter, how does he think he
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  Speaker 1: is the victim? What can you tell us? What have
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  Speaker 1: you learned from sources that are communicating with Nick Ryner
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  Speaker 1: behind bars?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of information is coming. At first of all,
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  Speaker 3: I think I just want to emphasize there has been
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  Speaker 3: a sea tide in the sentiment of Hollywood. Hollywood is
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  Speaker 3: really really turned now. When it was clear that the
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  Speaker 3: family were no longer going to pay for this expensive
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  Speaker 3: lawyer and he was going to have a public defender,
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  Speaker 3: Hollywood now has turned. There was a lot of sympathy
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  Speaker 3: for Nick for his issues, for his mental health. Now
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  Speaker 3: people are really really angry, and I think they're going
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  Speaker 3: to get even more angry as more leaks come out
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  Speaker 3: of that state of mind. Now I'm told that he
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  Speaker 3: is so usual. He believes he's going to be out
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  Speaker 3: by March for his father's birthday. I think Rob Ryan
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  Speaker 3: his birthday is March sixth. We know they think he
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  Speaker 3: thinks there's a big consumption under.
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  Speaker 2: At the moment. I'm a rob shooter.
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  Speaker 1: You may be a PR guru, you may have worked
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  Speaker 1: for Britney Spears and Sean Diddycombs and so many others,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't see MD beside your name.
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  Speaker 2: Is that correct?
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  Speaker 1: You haven't graduated from medical school and gotten your specialty
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  Speaker 1: and your residency in psychiatric care?
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  Speaker 2: Have you?
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  Speaker 3: It's correct? Nnswer?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So when you say delusional, you mean that in
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  Speaker 1: the street sense, not in the medical professional sense, that
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  Speaker 1: he's having a psychotic delusion, which equals.
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  Speaker 2: In my world, Rob a defense at trial.
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  Speaker 1: So when you're saying he's delusional, you mean that in
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  Speaker 1: the street sense. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, That's what I'm talking about here, not a psychologist.
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  Speaker 3: A master's in political science, thank you very much, but
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  Speaker 3: not psychology. And so this is what people are saying
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  Speaker 3: on the streets. I talk to sources in Hollywood, I
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  Speaker 3: talk to movie stars, to executives of studios, to people
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  Speaker 3: out there, and they're saying that this is simply the
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  Speaker 3: reporting that we're getting is simply delusional. Because, like you, Nancy,
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  Speaker 3: they've all seen that video of him on CBS where
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  Speaker 3: he's going to drug stores, where he's walking around after
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  Speaker 3: the murders. He seemed to be in a sound enough
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  Speaker 3: state of mind that he knew to shower and cover evidence.
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  Speaker 3: And yet now he's claiming that there is a conspiracy
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  Speaker 3: out to get him.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Rob, sheoter, I'm going to try something out on
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  Speaker 2: you that.
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  Speaker 1: I usually do with a jury, and I've used this
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  Speaker 1: technique when proving a dui homicide. Two counterclaims by the
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  Speaker 1: defense that it was just an accident. It's not an accident.
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  Speaker 1: Each step was volitional, was intentional. You turn your car off,
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  Speaker 1: you walk in the bar, you have one drink.
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  Speaker 2: Two drink, three drink.
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  Speaker 1: Then you get your keys, then you pay your bill,
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  Speaker 1: then you walk to your then you put the key
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  Speaker 1: in the ignition. Then you started up, put it in
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  Speaker 1: reverse and start driving out on the open road. Each
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  Speaker 1: act is intentional. Let's think shooter. Think about what he
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  Speaker 1: did after allegedly murdering his parents.
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  Speaker 2: He leaves the scene.
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  Speaker 1: He leaves their bedroom, leaves them to decompose in their bed.
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  Speaker 1: When Romy, the sister, gets there at Rob, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to force you to think about this.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like it either.
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  Speaker 1: Romy comes in and sees her dad. She didn't even
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  Speaker 1: realize her mom was also in the bed dead.
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  Speaker 2: What was she like?
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  Speaker 1: Thought it looked like a bloody pillow or a lump
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  Speaker 1: of sheets. Had her mother wiggled down to the bottom
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  Speaker 1: of the bed and covered herself up in sheets trying
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  Speaker 1: to get away? Think about it. You have to think
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  Speaker 1: about it. A jury has to think about it. Why
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  Speaker 1: couldn't she tell her mother was there in the bed
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  Speaker 1: beside her father? How was she contorted so as to
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  Speaker 1: escape Romy's vision?
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  Speaker 2: What did he do?
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  Speaker 11: Then?
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  Speaker 1: Goes to his poolhouse, gets into his clothes, his cabinet,
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  Speaker 1: his dresser, drawers, his closet, gets out his clothes, clean clothes,
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  Speaker 1: packs them, leaves, gets himself to a motel, checks in,
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  Speaker 1: showing his identification, taking the key, going to his room,
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  Speaker 1: getting in there, washing himself, washing his hair, putting on
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  Speaker 1: clean clothes.
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  Speaker 2: We don't even know where the bloody clothes are, where
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  Speaker 2: they discarded? And where's the weapon?
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  Speaker 1: Did he dispose of the weapon? We have sources telling
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  Speaker 1: us the weapon hasn't been found. So did he discard
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  Speaker 1: it like Brian Coburger did? Did he have that wherewithal
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  Speaker 1: think think use your noodle? Then he's like, wow, I'm hungry,
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  Speaker 1: walks to his convenience store, goes in, gets a drink,
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  Speaker 1: and walks out, perfectly composed, pays for it. Knows to
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  Speaker 1: stand in line that from our friends at CBS. When
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  Speaker 1: you think of all of his actions one after the next,
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  Speaker 1: after the next, and I've got so much more, that
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  Speaker 1: was the abbreviated version that shows he was intentional and
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  Speaker 1: he knew what he was doing.
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  Speaker 3: Shooter, I can't argue with you, Nancy. I've seen that video.
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  Speaker 3: Hollywood has seen that video. People as more information comes
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  Speaker 3: as why do.
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  Speaker 2: You keep talking about Hollywood?
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  Speaker 1: Because I think the rest of the country cares what
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood thinks.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: The only reason I cares because that's a jury pool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's why. That's why people in Hollywood, people
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  Speaker 3: in California are going to be on this jury. And
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  Speaker 3: so I think now, as more and more information comes out,
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  Speaker 3: it's a very valid question. You asked, how is all
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  Speaker 3: this coming? Guy, that's a different subject. But when all
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  Speaker 3: this information comes out, people are taking notice. This is
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  Speaker 3: still a story that people are fascinated by, are tuned into.
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  Speaker 3: Often in our world, Nancy, they move on very quickly
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  Speaker 3: to the next new thing. This has not happened in
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  Speaker 3: the Rob Ryan A case. People are still talking about him.
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  Speaker 3: Just at the Golden Globes a few nights ago, he
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  Speaker 3: was the talk of the red carpet. So there's still
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  Speaker 3: intense intense interest in this, an intense interest in the
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  Speaker 3: evidence and information that is leaking out to reporters like
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  Speaker 3: me number one.
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  Speaker 2: To correct you again, Rob, this is not a story.
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  Speaker 2: This is real, Okay. I love my parents.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to walk in and find them both
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  Speaker 1: slaughter their throats, slit in their bed, plus multiple stab wounds.
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  Speaker 1: They sacrifice their whole lives to help me. Okay, that's
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  Speaker 1: what this is about. It is not a story Number one,
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  Speaker 1: number two.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Red carpet, red marpet. Don't care. What's the talk of
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: the red carpet? What red carpet? I don't care.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Now it is significant because these people, all yacking and
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: buzzing could make up the jury pool. That's the only
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: reason that I care. Now, I want to talk to
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: you about something else you said. You said that their
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: attention has stuck to this story. What you make it
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: sound like the public has the attention span of a gnat.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: What you think I'm going to forget the writers were murdered.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: We have an awful habit of consumers of information, I'm
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: talking about everybody here, of moving very quickly, our cell phones.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: The way we consume information now makes stuff happen awfully fast.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: And I have been involved with, I have covered, I've
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: reported on some really big stories that tomorrow we're not
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: talking about anymore. And I'm not saying that's a good thing.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: I think it's a bad thing. But I understand people's
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: busy lives, their families, their children, and why they've got
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: so much on their plate. It's hard to stick with something.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: This story is different. It is sticking. People are talking
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: about it. As much passion about this within the world
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: of the media, maybe not within the world of the public,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: but there's still so much passion in the story. I
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: think it's because it's such a horrific story. This is
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: just so hungri when you talk about your parents, Nancy,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: when you hear this story, everybody thinks about their parents.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Everybody thinks about ROMEI walking into that bedroom and seeing
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: what she saw, and the scene was so horrific. She
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: couldn't even tell that there were two bodies, not one,
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: there were two bodies there. And so I think all
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: this added up together means that we're going to have
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: a really, really deep dig, a deep look into this
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: horrific story and the end that he's coming out slowly
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: but surely. And there's a lot more video footage too.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: My sources tell me there are cameras in that hotel,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: There are cameras in the lobby, there are cameras in
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: the hallway. Anybody that's checked into a fancy hotel in
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: LA can tell you that there is a lot more
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: evidence to come out.
• 21:53
  Speaker 12: So approximately three point forty this afternoon, Los Ange Police
• 21:57
  Speaker 12: officers along with the Los Angeles City Fire Department, responded
• 22:00
  Speaker 12: to the two hundred block of Chadbourne Avenue here in
• 22:03
  Speaker 12: the city of Brentwood. Upon arrival, they determined that there
• 22:06
  Speaker 12: were two deceased individuals inside of the residents.
• 22:10
  Speaker 13: LAPD responded to a residence the residents of Rob and
• 22:15
  Speaker 13: Michelle Reiner, located in West Los Angeles Division. At that location,
• 22:20
  Speaker 13: they found two deceased adults, a male and a female.
• 22:23
  Speaker 13: Through the night, working with the Coroner's office, they were
• 22:26
  Speaker 13: able to identify them definitively as Rob and Michelle Reiner.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: There were multiple stablisers as they lied, they fought, they
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: knew what was happening to them.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: It was a horrific scene. There was blood everywhere.
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: This is a tragedy and just what beautiful souls they were.
• 22:46
  Speaker 14: He was arrested in a public area in the Exposition
• 22:50
  Speaker 14: Park area near the University of Southern California campus. He
• 22:54
  Speaker 14: was approached by the officers and he was arrested without incident.
• 22:56
  Speaker 14: There were no indications that there was no indication that
• 23:01
  Speaker 14: he was going to resist or anything like that. He
• 23:02
  Speaker 14: didn't flee or anything like that. He was taking into
• 23:04
  Speaker 14: custody without issue, and he was transported to our Police
• 23:09
  Speaker 14: are Coorts facility.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: As we go to air tonight, we are learning that
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Nick Reiner behind bars on the double murders of his father,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Rob Reiner and mother Michelle Singer.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Reiner says he is the victim.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: He thinks he's behind bars because of a conspiracy that
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: he shouldn't be there.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Also, we are learning about claims.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: And maybe this would only work with a Hollywood jury,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: that Hollywood fears of weight gain somehow triggered a murderous
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: rampage allegedly.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I think to Sidney Sumner, a Crime Stories investigative reporter,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: What this means?
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: And you know, I'm just a trial lawyer living far
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: far away from LA I think what they're going to
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: try to or what they are claiming. What some experts
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: are claiming is that Nick Reiner had begun get to
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: gain weight on his meds, his prescribed meds to combat
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: weight gang.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Is God forbid you gained a few pounds.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Especially in Hollywood, they changed Reiner's meds and thereby that
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: medicine change, that medication change pushed him into.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: A psychotic state.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Is that the claim all because of weight loss fears
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the meds, weight gain fears, the meds were changed and
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: that triggered a psychotic episode.
• 24:45
  Speaker 11: That's exactly the claim. Nick Reiner was complaining about the
• 24:50
  Speaker 11: weight gain associated with his anti psychotic medication. And this
• 24:55
  Speaker 11: is very common, Nancy. This affects a lot of people
• 24:58
  Speaker 11: who are taking this kind of medication because it alters
• 25:01
  Speaker 11: your brain chemistry, so people report excessive cravings for high
• 25:07
  Speaker 11: fat and sugar foods and also not being able to
• 25:11
  Speaker 11: tell when you're full. That's a big reason people overeat
• 25:15
  Speaker 11: on these anti psychotic mets. So Nick Reiner approached his
• 25:19
  Speaker 11: doctors concerned about his weight gain. And you can tell, Nancy.
• 25:23
  Speaker 11: I mean, it's very clear those videos, the one that
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: he posted to his YouTube as a young man. I
• 25:27
  Speaker 11: think he was twenty one at the time of that video.
• 25:31
  Speaker 11: He's now thirty two. It's very clear that Reiner has
• 25:34
  Speaker 11: gained a significant amount of weight. And his doctor said,
• 25:38
  Speaker 11: you know, this is a valid concern. We can try
• 25:41
  Speaker 11: to adjust your medication to see if there's one that
• 25:43
  Speaker 11: would lessen these side effects for you, and apparently that's
• 25:47
  Speaker 11: what led to this psychotic break. That other medication did
• 25:51
  Speaker 11: not have the same effects on his mental stability as
• 25:55
  Speaker 11: the previous medication that he was on for nearly six years,
• 26:00
  Speaker 11: according to these sources, and he gave that up just
• 26:04
  Speaker 11: to try and lose some of this ways.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, Sidney, I've got another question for you. You know
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: you are reeling this off as if it's fact. Have
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: you considered the source of this information? Do you know
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: the source?
• 26:17
  Speaker 11: No?
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not, because the only people that would know any
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: of this would have to be the defense team, right.
• 26:24
  Speaker 11: So that's where you heard me say. Sources claim we
• 26:27
  Speaker 11: don't know where this is coming from, and the people
• 26:30
  Speaker 11: who are reporting this as fact, they're not revealing what
• 26:34
  Speaker 11: that source is. So yes, it's all very suspect. This
• 26:38
  Speaker 11: is best speculation because we don't know where this information
• 26:43
  Speaker 11: is coming from.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: So Rob Shooter the claims this is all over weight gain,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: that nobody wanted him to gain weight?
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: God forbid? Do you hear that?
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Do you hear how crazy? How ridiculous that is? It's
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: being spun out by news sources.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: It sounds crazy because it is crazy and what we
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: know about Nick looking into him, looking into his history,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: is he has been a very very troubled man for
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: a very very long time. You played him on a
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: podcast just a few moments ago, and he admitted on
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: the podcast that he smashed up his mom and dad's
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: guest has. In fact, he said the first thing in
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: the house he smashed was the television, which is very
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: interesting to me because that's where his parents and his
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: grandparent became super super famous. So he had rage there.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Nick has been an angry, toxic young man for a
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: long time, long before he was frightened about gaining weight.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: And so this story is ludicrous. It sounds ludicrous because
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: it is guys.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Of course, our friend Harvey Levin, who by the way,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: is also a.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Lawyer, a very astute lawyer. He runs TMZ. Of course,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: he has rushed.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: To the same and is churning out a documentary, a
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: TMZ documentary called tmzs the Reiner Murders.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: What really happened?
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Interesting, Harvey, in case you're listening, that you already know
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: what happened before there's been a single hearing on the evidence.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Wonder where you're getting your information, Harvey. But that said,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Listen to what Levin says.
• 28:22
  Speaker 15: Before everyone knew Nick was suffering from Schitzo effective disorder,
• 28:26
  Speaker 15: he was using meth and that makes Skitzo effective disorder
• 28:30
  Speaker 15: even worse. And he had a filing out first.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Again, that's from the TMZ the Reiner murders.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: What really happened on Fox One? Question back to you,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. The entire documentary is defense fueled. It's
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: all about the defense. I see this as a way
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: to taint a jury pool. That said, what he just
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: said fits hand in hand with what I'm arguing.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: What came first the chicken or the egg?
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Was he using meth and it triggered a schizo like episode?
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Did he have schizophrenia or Skidzo effective disorder and then
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: used myth and exacerbated it. I mean, any jury in
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: the right mind is not going to forgive someone or
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: give them a haul pass for double murder which was
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: triggered by their own voluntary use of meth amphetamine.
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: You know, Nancy, I watched the documentary this morning, and
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: I have to say, when I was listening to Harvey Levin,
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. In a case consultation,
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: we would never ever, ever talk about a patient like that.
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: It's really premature to know if the schizophrenia.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Wait a minute. I can't believe I'm
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: in the position of defending Harvey Levin. But he is
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: not Nick Reiner's shrink.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, except he's not bound by the same duty that
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: you are.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: It's samaric.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Can remember we're not in communist China or Russia. You
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: can say whatever he wolves do.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: But he's putting a.
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: Lot of information out there, like you said, that will
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: taint the jury pool. But actually also he's making it
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: sound so simplistic and so reductionistic. And we can't just
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: say that because someone went off their medications and they
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: became violent. It's usually a confluence of factors. What I'm
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: going to say is the whole weight gain story makes
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: absolutely no sense to me from the standpoint that now,
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: when patients complain of weight gain on these psychotropic medications,
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: we prescribe a GLP one like think Munjaro or ozembic
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: or met Foreman, which is a medication for type two diabetes,
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: and these medications can be very effective in controlling the
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: weight gain. You don't normally take somebody like Nick reinor
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: off a medication unless he's already becoming destabilize. So I
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: would guess I would hold this theory lightly that he
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: had started using he was relapsing, he was using meth,
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: and because of that, they had to switch up medications
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: because the other medications were no longer working.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: In program in twelve step programs, what we teach our
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: patients is when you pick up a drug, when you
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: pick up alcohol, play it forward and try to anticipate
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: the negative or dangerous consequences of your choices.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Even our friend Harvey Levin at TMZ's documentary tmzs The
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Rhiner Murders, what really happened? Even though it's extremely defense
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: oriented and defense skewed, Even Levin says the reason doctors
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: change Reiner's meds was because he Nick Reiner was concerned
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: that he was gaining weight.
• 31:58
  Speaker 15: Listen, the reason doctors changed Nick's meds was weight gain.
• 32:04
  Speaker 15: He was unhappy with his weight.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: TMZ The Rhiner Murders.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Hollywood legend Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle, they didn't
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: deserve this, a sun that they had spoon fed every privilege.
• 32:17
  Speaker 10: Possible, and they did everything they could with Nick.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Tonight Nick Reiner behind bars.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: But thinks he should get to go home. He thinks
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: he's the victim in this scenario.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: What is his life behind bars? Joining us?
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: They're in La Alexis Tereschuk Crime Stori's investigative reporter.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: What about it? What can you tell me?
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: So he is in solitary confinement. He is not around
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: any other innate, still for his protection. He is no
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: longer on suicide watch, but they are still checking on
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: him every fifteen minutes to make sure that he is okay.
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: And then his day is just filled with nothing. He
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: gets breakfast delivered at about six o'clock in the morning,
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: five or six o'clock in the morning. Then lunch comes
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: between ten thirty and eleven. Both of these are cold meals,
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: nothing fancy. And then dinner comes at six and it's
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: a hot plate.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: And that's it.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: That's what he does.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: That's his whole day.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: He is allowed.
• 33:13
  Speaker 8: You know, he showered the day of his court hearing
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: when we saw him in court last week, and he
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: has had his haircut since he first appeared in court
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: in December. But other than that, he's not doing anything.
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: He's just in his cell twenty three hours a day.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Put her up.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Are you suggesting that it's that different from his life before?
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Did he have a job? Was he a volunteer somewhere?
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Have I missed that? Because he pretty much did nothing before?
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: So no, what had impact he was? How is that
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: different from his life before he was arrested?
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: Well, before he was arrested, he was living in his
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: parents thirteen and a half million dollar home in Rerunlin, California,
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: which is luxurious and I know that.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: But what was he doing? You say he's got nothing
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: to do? Well, what was he doing before? Alexis Tereschuk? Nothing?
• 34:03
  Speaker 8: Well, he made a movie almost ten years ago. But no,
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: he did not have a job. He wasn't volunteering. He
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: would go on various podcasts and talk about his life.
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: But his parents were so concerned about him and his
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: mental health that for a fun holiday party, they didn't
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: even leave him at home. They asked Conan O'Brien if
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: they could bring him to the party. They couldn't even
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: leave him alone for two hours to go and enjoy
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: a party.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Joining me right now, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix, former Warden MDC
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Brooklyn also served Warden Sheridan, Oregon.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Former Senior Warden US Department.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Of Justice with the Federal Bureau of Prisons, the founder
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: and president of a New Daylight Foundation, author of Who
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Are You See It?
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Say It? Seize It?
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Doctor Hendrix. Thank you for being with us. So let
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: me understand something, Doctor Hendrix. He has three hots and
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: a cop In other words, three meals and a place
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: to stay.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Alexis Tereschuk made much of the fact that two of
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: those meals could be cold.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: That sounds like cereal.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: And fruit in the morning, with juice and a sandwich
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: and chips at lunch. So when she says cold like
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: it's the end of the world, it's not. Then he
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: has a hot meal in the evening. He has practically
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: unfettered right to see his lawyers. He has a right
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: to go to a library. He has a right to
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: see a spiritual counselor if he wishes. He could likely
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: see family, but I don't think they're visiting since he
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: allegedly murdered his parents.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: She makes it sound like it's hell on Earth. It's not.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: In fact, hold on, doctor Dwayne Hendricks.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: A lot of famous people have survived the Twin Towers.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: If Paris Hilton could live there for a while, I
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: think I think Nick Reiner will to Robert Downey junior
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: iron man, Harvey Weinstein, piece of crap.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Let's see who else the game. Robert Durst.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Conrad Murray convicted of killing Michael Jackson. Robert Durst, I
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: don't know how many people he killed, Rick James, Steve O,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Danny Masterson from that seventy show, Eric Holder, just so
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: many people have been in Twin Towers and survived.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: So, doctor Dwayne Hendricks, how bad is it?
• 36:42
  Speaker 10: I don't think it is as bad as the La
• 36:44
  Speaker 10: County Jail. From all reports, they actually have a better
• 36:48
  Speaker 10: food than you there at the Twin Towers. The other
• 36:52
  Speaker 10: thing that I find interesting is that they have their
• 36:54
  Speaker 10: own in house psychiatry staff and mental house staff at
• 37:00
  Speaker 10: this particular jail, which is unusual because of MDC Brooklyn
• 37:06
  Speaker 10: and other jails that I'm aware of. Typically you're psychiatrists,
• 37:11
  Speaker 10: and you're you know, you have psychologists and those type
• 37:13
  Speaker 10: of professionals. But for them to have their own in
• 37:17
  Speaker 10: house psychiatry staff, but it tells me they're at a
• 37:20
  Speaker 10: different level as it pertains to their mental health treatment
• 37:26
  Speaker 10: and their healthcare treatment for those individuals. So I believe
• 37:28
  Speaker 10: that this particular jail is probably a little bit more
• 37:32
  Speaker 10: high end than you know, your La County Jail, Rikers Island, MDC,
• 37:39
  Speaker 10: Brooklyn and other places that we've talked about in the past.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: When Alexis Tschuk says he has a cold breakfast and
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: a cold lunch, that's not that bad if you're talking
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: about cereal with milk and juice and fruit and a
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: sandwich with chips.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Is there something wrong with that? Hendricks?
• 38:01
  Speaker 10: No, No, not at all. I mean the national standards
• 38:04
  Speaker 10: is for individuals to have at least one hot meal
• 38:08
  Speaker 10: every three days if they're on lockdown, and obviously he's not.
• 38:12
  Speaker 10: I mean, he's in some sort of solitary confinement, and
• 38:15
  Speaker 10: I would beg to believe that it's more more of
• 38:18
  Speaker 10: a mental health unit. That they're probably keeping him without
• 38:22
  Speaker 10: a cellmate, and he's whenever he goes out to whatever
• 38:25
  Speaker 10: recreation they give him, you know, every couple of days,
• 38:28
  Speaker 10: or his shower or his phone calls. I'm sure he's
• 38:32
  Speaker 10: being moved with multiple staff and he's probably just not
• 38:35
  Speaker 10: having any interactions with other inmates at the jail.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: So so cushy is the mental ward in the in
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the jail as compared to GP Well.
• 38:50
  Speaker 10: I mean the thing about it is, you know, of
• 38:52
  Speaker 10: course being in jail, but itself can be mentally the
• 38:56
  Speaker 10: last you know, cause mental issues so to speak.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Well, get frustrated and lonely. I don't know that I
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: would call that a mental issue. Hendrix.
• 39:10
  Speaker 10: Well, I'll just say this, the fact that he's not
• 39:13
  Speaker 10: in general population with the mental condition that he has
• 39:18
  Speaker 10: will actually help both the defense and the prosecution in
• 39:22
  Speaker 10: this case, because documentation is going to be very important,
• 39:26
  Speaker 10: especially upon his arrival, the measure that he was on,
• 39:31
  Speaker 10: the evaluation that he had. I know, their policy is
• 39:34
  Speaker 10: for the individuals to see the have a full physical
• 39:38
  Speaker 10: and a mental health evaluation within ninety six hours of
• 39:41
  Speaker 10: their arrival. So the documentation, the decisions to put him
• 39:46
  Speaker 10: on suicide watch, the decisions to take him on suicide watch,
• 39:50
  Speaker 10: the decisions to keep him on the mental unit. Right now,
• 39:55
  Speaker 10: I'm not sure if they're going to do an insanity
• 39:58
  Speaker 10: plea and or are they going to do any valuation
• 40:01
  Speaker 10: in that regard, but it's very important that you know
• 40:05
  Speaker 10: they do all their you know, if they're saying they're
• 40:07
  Speaker 10: gonna be checking on them every fifteen minutes, all that
• 40:09
  Speaker 10: documentation is going to play a really key role in
• 40:13
  Speaker 10: this particular case, because it's going to be a lot
• 40:16
  Speaker 10: of back and forth in regards to his personal responsibility
• 40:20
  Speaker 10: for these crimes.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: So he's got basically a private room, and he's got
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: room service because where he is they bring him his
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: tray of food and then give him about an hour
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: to eat a nice, leisurely eat meal. Then they come
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: back and collect the tray. Nick Reiner's getting room service
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: in his private room. Sidney Sumner, I looked up the menus.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: You know what. Let me throw this to Rob Sheeter Shooter.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Listen to this breakfast cereal bread cake, milk, coffee, fruit.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Fruit juice. Nobody brought me that this morning.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, Lunch to dinner, hamburgers, chicken, veggie patties, tacos, lasagna,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: fish patties served with potatoes or fries, special meals for
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: dietary concerns.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, nobody's bringing.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Me chicken or veggie patties or tacos or lasasagna.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: I mean really, And to hear.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Alexis Tereschuk tell it, he's having bread and water.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: That's simply not true.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: No, it's not true that they're eating fine in this prison. However,
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: this is somebody who is used to eating lobster and caveat.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: This is one of the most entitled, one of the
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: most privileged young men in that jail, and so it
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: has to be a shock to his system. Do I
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: feel sorry for him? Absolutely not, Nancy. But I don't
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: think it is accurate to say that his life hasn't
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: dramatically changed from the lap of luxury to a small
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: prison cell.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Wait, are you saying that he's not living in daddy's
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: poolhouse and getting a ten thousand dollars a month allowance
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: on top of the free car, the free home, the
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: free gas, the free raid, my sub zero refrigerator every
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: night whenever you feel like it. Everything's free plus ten
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is different. Is there a reason
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: it shouldn't be It should be different.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: It has to be different, and I hope that he
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: is aware of that. It just makes me so sad
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: of the life that he squanted.
• 42:33
  Speaker 11: Nancy.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: This is somebody who really did have it all and
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: now has nothing.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Greece.
• 42:50
  Speaker 9: I got totally spun out on uppers. I think it
• 42:53
  Speaker 9: was coke and something else, and I was up for
• 42:55
  Speaker 9: days on end and I started punching out and things
• 43:00
  Speaker 9: in my guest house.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Like a friend, like what like a stuff?
• 43:04
  Speaker 9: I think I started with the TV, and then I
• 43:07
  Speaker 9: went over to the lamp, and then progressively I just
• 43:10
  Speaker 9: everything in the guest house got wrecked.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: That from the Dopey podcast.
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: He was not crying, he was not upset.
• 43:18
  Speaker 11: His face looked very clear.
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: His head was completely shaved.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: He's aware of his actions.
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: He's insane, a homicidal person who refuses to get sober.
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: Whose content eighteen rehapp in seventeen years joining us.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns. He is a chief medical examiner Terran County.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: That's fort Worth, never lack of business. He is the
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: star of a hit podcast, May Him and the Morgue,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: and he is the esteemed lecturer at TCU's Burnett School
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: of Medicine.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Doctor Kindle Crowns, thank you for being with us.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Many people believe that, like we were told in the
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Coburger case, that the four students went to sleep and
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: woke up in heaven, That's not what happened. One of
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: the female victims was to have thirty times in the face.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Her teeth were stabbed out as she thought for her life.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Same thing here.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: What do the multiple stab wounds as well as the
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: slitting of their throats, what does that tell you?
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall crowds about what happened.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: So usually when we see multiple stab wounds of this nature,
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: it's always almost always a homicide case. Occasionally you might
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: see them suicide. But what you're seeing is these individuals
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: are attacked, they're laying in bed, throats are slit. They're
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: going to have a few minutes where they're going to survive.
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: As they're bleeding out, they're going to.
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: Be in pain.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: Depending on how deep their throats are slit, they may
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: have had their trachea, which is their windpipe slit as well,
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: so they're going to be inhaling blood while they're struggling
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: to fight against whoever's stabbing them. Now there's stab wounds,
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: you know, coming to the chest and other areas of
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: the body. They might be trying to fight back defensive
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: wounds of their hands and their forearms. And during this
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: few minutes while they're bleeding out in life is ebbing
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: away and they're struggling against the assailant before they pass
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: out from loss of blood, they're feeling all the pain
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: from these multiple stab wounds. And the thing is is,
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: you know, usually in meth amphetamine associated cases, we see
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: this kind of overkilled to the whole process where they
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: just keep stabbing and stabbing. Even after they're dead, they'll
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: continue to stab and leave more wounds on the body.
• 45:34
  Speaker 9: Two.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Josh Colesrod, veteran trial lawyer joining us out of Phoenix. Josh,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: what do you believe will be gained from that motel room?
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about the evidence.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Do you think there was drug paraphernalia in the room
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: which could defeat.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: And insanity defense?
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: If it shows he was using drugs at that time,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: that could defeat his claim that he did all of
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: this because he was insane. Do you believe that his
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: blood was drawn immediately at the time of rest to
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: show if drugs were in a system. A few days
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: had passed since the murders, would the drugs have dissipated?
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, what can we hope to glean from his
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: backpack and from his hotel room?
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: So the evidence that was seized is going to be
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: very revealing. What it's going to show is number one,
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: was this person using drugs? And they'll be able to
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: tell through a variety of ways. Number one, they'll do
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: blood draws to see exactly what was in his system
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: and how much. Now, the blood draw doesn't exactly tell
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: when drugs were used, but it does give us circumstantial
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: evidence of how it was used and also how much
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: was in his system at the time that the crimes
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: took place. Typically, those results take between or eight weeks
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: before we.
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: Can get them. Now.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: They'll also look at other circumstantial evidence, such as what
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: was discovered in his backpack, and they'll look at the
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: drug paraphernalia. And they'll also test the drug paraphernalia for
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: resin to see if it's consistent with methodphetamine used, crack, cocaine,
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: and other hard drugs, to see if maybe he was
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: using drugs at or near the time that he committed
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: the murders.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: I believe that the booken agent that booked him in
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: the hotel is going to be a witness. I believe
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: that possibly an uber or taxi driver that drove him there,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: if there is one, is going to be a witness.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: I think that the hotel room, which by the way,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: was ocean front with a beautiful view, I think that
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: evidence gooling from that room could tell us. Did he
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: wash his hair, did he brush his teeth? What happened
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: to his old clothing? Should we trace his route to
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: look for the weapon? Is there drug paraphernalia in the room?
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Is there drug paraphernalia or drugs in his backpack? What
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: is revealed in his blood? This investigation is going in
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: one thousand different directions right now. The state is building
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: its case, as.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Is the defense. If you know or think you know anything.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: About this case, please dial toll free eight hundred two
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: two two eight four seven seven, repeat eight hundred two
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: two two eight four seven seven. We remember an American hero,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Deputy Constable Aaron Armstrong, Caldwell Counties Constables, Texas, shot dead
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: in the line of duty, leaving behind his grieving parents.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: American hero Deputy Constable Aaron Armstrong Nancy Gray signing off
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: goodbye friend.