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The Kenny Report | 22 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me for
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Speaker 2: another week here on the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 3: Tonight, will consumers and authorities say no to optus now?
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Speaker 3: After the telco's latest systems stuff up and management failure
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Speaker 3: costs lives?
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Speaker 2: How can we stop this happening again?
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Speaker 3: The Albenezy Labor Government's shocking betrayal of Israel is complete
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Speaker 3: as the Prime Minister recognizes the non existent state of Palestine,
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Speaker 3: rewarding terrorism and creating yet another stumbling block in relations
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Speaker 3: with the US. In the US, a stirring mass memorial
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Speaker 3: for Charlie Kirk. He is from the President and witnesses.
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Speaker 3: Kirk's widow, Erica forgive her husband's killer, I forgive him.
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Speaker 3: So much to talk about tonight, including the government's lies
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Speaker 3: and spin on globweble warming and climate alarmism exposed across
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Speaker 3: to Sophie Osworth in the UK, Christian Tate in the US,
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Speaker 3: and GEMATONIENI and Caroline Russo will help make sense of
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Speaker 3: it all back here at home, Let's get started. Anthony
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Speaker 3: Alberzi has now done on your behalf what he's probably
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Speaker 3: wanted to do since he was a radical leftist university
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Speaker 3: protester demonizing Israel at pro Palestinian rallies.
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Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah.
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Speaker 3: The radical leftist anti Israel protester Albanesi is now Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister and he gets to set our foreign policy, and
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Speaker 3: he's chosen this moment for Australia to officially recognize the
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Speaker 3: non existent state of Palestine today.
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Speaker 4: I'm pleased to be here with Minister Wong to announce it.
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Speaker 4: Effective today Sunday, the twenty first of September two thy
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Speaker 4: and twenty five, the Comwealth of Australia recognizes the State
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Speaker 4: at Palestine.
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Speaker 2: This moment.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister could hardly have timed this bad decision
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Speaker 3: any worse.
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Speaker 2: Along with the UK and Canada.
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Speaker 3: He has chosen to recognize this fictitious state at a
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Speaker 3: time when one half of the Palestinian territories Gaza, is
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Speaker 3: run by Hummas, the Islamist terrorists who launched the horrific
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Speaker 3: attack against Israel in October twenty twenty three. And the
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Speaker 3: world got to see right now, this very day, how
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Speaker 3: Hummas operates.
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Speaker 2: Now a warning, I'm.
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Speaker 3: About to show you some distressing footage of horrific events
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Speaker 3: in Gaza of Hummas gunment about to execute three men
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Speaker 3: in Gaza. Because while Albertezi and so many others on
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Speaker 3: the political left luck to blame Israel for everything that
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Speaker 3: happens in Gaza, the war, its continuation, the holding of hostages,
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Speaker 3: the terrorizing of the Ghazan population, well they're all happening
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Speaker 3: at the hands of Hummas, and footage out.
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Speaker 2: Of Gaza in the past twenty four hours has.
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Speaker 3: Shown the public execution of at least three people that
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Speaker 3: the terrorists accuse of collaborating with Israel. We of course
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Speaker 3: will not show you the executions, but they are there
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Speaker 3: on videotape as cold hard evidence of just how the
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Speaker 3: Islamist terrorists keep the population under control and keep the
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Speaker 3: war going. Hamas have executed other Ghazans for defying them
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Speaker 3: to collect aid deliveries and for trying to flee to
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Speaker 3: the safe zones that Israel has established. Hamas still holds
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Speaker 3: forty eight Israeli hostages, only twenty of whom are believed
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Speaker 3: to still be alive. But as Israel attempts to root
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Speaker 3: out the Hummas terrorists from Gaza City and finally end
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Speaker 3: the war and the threat against the Israeli people, Albanezi
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Speaker 3: thinks he's got a better idea.
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Speaker 4: Active recognition is based on the commitments received from the
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Speaker 4: Palestinian authority, including that the terrorists of Hamas cannot govern
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Speaker 4: Gaza again, Palestine recognizes Israel's right to exist in peace
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Speaker 4: and security, and the Palestinian authority will demilitarize and hold
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Speaker 4: democratic elections, driving broader reform to governance, finance, and education.
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Speaker 2: Really, that's all, It's that easy.
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Speaker 3: He just wants the Palestinian representative to do what they
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Speaker 3: have steadfastly refused to do for the past eight decades,
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Speaker 3: even when they've been offered a two state solution and
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Speaker 3: rejected it numerous times. He reckons Mahmud Abbas, who has
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Speaker 3: promised elections for twenty years.
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Speaker 2: He's twenty years into a three year term.
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Speaker 3: Al but easy, reckons it's okay now because a bus
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Speaker 3: is now promising elections again. And what about that little
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Speaker 3: matter of getting rid of Hummas?
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Speaker 5: Sorry, how do you ensure Hamas has no role in
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Speaker 5: governing Palestine?
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Speaker 1: You can't possibly do that, can.
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Speaker 6: You You do?
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Speaker 2: Yep?
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Speaker 4: Of course you can, carl As. A precondition of moving forward,
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Speaker 4: which is what we have said, We've recognized Palestine a
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Speaker 4: butt further diplomatic measures will be dependent of the commitments
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Speaker 4: that have been given.
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Speaker 2: Huh.
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Speaker 3: Instead of fighting humas, trying to eliminate and dismantle hummas,
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Speaker 3: you just negotiate humas away, You get rid of humas
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Speaker 3: with diplomacy. What genius do Albanezi and Penny Wong really
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Speaker 3: suggest that someone goes into strike an agreement with these guys.
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Speaker 2: We just show you.
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Speaker 3: We just showed you what they do and what they're
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Speaker 3: still doing. Let me warn you, I'm going to show
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Speaker 3: you some of these images again, because our PM is
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Speaker 3: really saying that he thinks these fanatics can be talked around,
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Speaker 3: they can be reasoned with, these death cult maniacs.
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Speaker 2: This is madness. This is stuff from the Albanesi government.
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Speaker 2: This is madness.
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Speaker 3: It is an obscenity, this nonsense that you can talk
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Speaker 3: to Islamus terrorists and talk them around, talk Hummas around.
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Speaker 3: Based on Australia's potential recognition of a non existent state.
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Speaker 3: What Albanesi government's diplomacy will do, of course, is.
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Speaker 2: Just hardened the stance of Israel. Lord Amine Goom.
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Speaker 7: I have a clear message to those leaders who recognize
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Speaker 7: a Palestinian state. After the terrible massacre of October seventh,
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Speaker 7: you are giving a huge prize to terrorism, and I
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Speaker 7: have another message for you. It will not happen. There
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Speaker 7: will be no Palestinian state west of the Jordan.
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Speaker 3: And it's also only going to put Albanesi further at
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Speaker 3: odds with the Americans, where Democrats and Republicans are much
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Speaker 3: stronger in their support for Israel than the Australian Labor Party.
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Speaker 8: Is you know you're rewarding Hamas if you do that,
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Speaker 8: and I don't think they should be rewarded, So.
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Speaker 2: I'm not camp. Let's be clear about what's going on here.
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Speaker 3: Australia is selling out Israel and selling out Australia's national
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Speaker 3: interest in pursuit of hard left virtue signaling and hard
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Speaker 3: left anti Israel positioning. Albanese's newsstand is at odds with
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Speaker 3: our main security ally the United States, but it will
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Speaker 3: be welcomed by countries like China, Iran and Turkey. And
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Speaker 3: the terrorists reckon it is pay dirt for their atrocities
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Speaker 3: committed on October the seventh, nearly two years ago.
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Speaker 9: Let's philoin Governs about Oktober Philostine, I think has about
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Speaker 9: oktoberd Phil, Yeah, the.
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Speaker 3: Terrorists slaughtered entire families, burned them alive, shot dead young
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Speaker 3: concert goers, mutilated their bodies, raped the women and defiled
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Speaker 3: the bodies. The terrorists kidnapped this mother, Shii Bibas and
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Speaker 3: two beautiful little boys, Ariel and Kafir. They took them
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Speaker 3: away in terror and at gunpoint, and they later killed
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Speaker 3: them with their bare hands. And then they handed back
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Speaker 3: their bodies in coffins and tried to turn the ceremony
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Speaker 3: into some macabre propaganda event.
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Speaker 2: And the Albanese labor government, in the.
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Speaker 3: Name of our country, has rewarded them by giving them
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Speaker 3: what the terrorists pretend they want, a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 2: It's not what they want.
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Speaker 3: Of course, they want the destruction of Israel, and Australia
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Speaker 3: has given them a propaganda win.
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Speaker 2: Albanesi just doesn't understand that this is not just Israel's fight.
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Speaker 3: He doesn't understand that this is a fight for civilization.
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Speaker 3: This is where Western civilization has to stand up against
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Speaker 3: Islamist terrorism. Albanzi will not see, hear, or speak about
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Speaker 3: Islamist extremism. He just pretends this is all about an
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Speaker 3: imaginary country. So we're left with the tragic image of
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Speaker 3: our own prime minister. The Walter Mitty of global diplomacy.
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Speaker 3: Here is a national leader who cannot even keep his
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Speaker 3: own electorate office open.
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Speaker 2: Just think about this.
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Speaker 3: The prime minister of our nation who is closing and
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Speaker 3: shifting his electorate office because he cannot muster the wit
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Speaker 3: or the fortitude to stand up to a bunch of
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Speaker 3: gormless protesters is the same Antheony Albanzi who reckons he
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Speaker 3: knows how to settle the central conflict in the Middle
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Speaker 3: East that has confounded regional and global leaders for.
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Speaker 2: The best part of a century.
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Speaker 3: Albo, how about you see if you can impose the
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Speaker 3: rule of law at home and recognize the right of
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Speaker 3: an electorate office to stay open, before you pretend that
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Speaker 3: you can turn Islamist terrorists into a functioning government, recognize
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Speaker 3: an imagined new country, and end a shocking war with
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Speaker 3: nothing but words. I want to return to the lies
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Speaker 3: and deceptions of the Albanesi Labor government and their facilitators
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Speaker 3: in their bureaucracy and media are perpetrating over climate. I
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Speaker 3: told you last week the government's climate risk report was dishonest.
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Speaker 3: It deliberately aimed at frightening the public about global warming,
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Speaker 3: predicting environmental and economic disaster.
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Speaker 2: They even said it was a killer.
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Speaker 5: If global temperatures rise by three degrees, heat related deaths
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Speaker 5: will quadruple. Heat wave deaths increasing by three hundred percent
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Speaker 5: in Melbourne and Perth, four hundred percent in Western Sydney.
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Speaker 2: And we wonder why our kids are anxious.
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Speaker 3: These people recklessly instill fear into them for base political motives.
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Speaker 3: All this was pumped out to set the scene for
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Speaker 3: Labour's later as emissions reductions targets.
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Speaker 2: Now last week I pointed out one.
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Speaker 3: Clear giveaway that the report was dishonest was that it
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Speaker 3: failed to mention any benefits from global warming. Read the report,
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Speaker 3: listen to the Labor, Greens and Teals politicians and it's
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Speaker 3: all a horror story, not a single benefit, which just
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Speaker 3: flies in the face of the science, in the face
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Speaker 3: of the facts.
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Speaker 2: National Senator Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 3: Exposed the report's authors for talking up extra deaths from
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Speaker 3: heat waves but failing to mention fewer deaths from cold weather.
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Speaker 10: Did us to.
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Speaker 2: Make the potential reduction in deaths from cold and.
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Speaker 11: No we did not.
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Speaker 2: I might see more people from cold and peak to Australia.
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Speaker 3: We spcially looking at climate houses, so it was out
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Speaker 3: of scope for a report.
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Speaker 2: Out of scope.
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Speaker 3: Reality is out of scope for these people because their
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Speaker 3: scope is to spread fear and alarm for the government.
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Speaker 3: My colleagues at The Australian have dug deeper into this,
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Speaker 3: and rather than falling outside of scope, it turns out
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Speaker 3: that the Climate report authors went out of their way
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Speaker 3: to studiously avoid the facts. The official report that talked
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Speaker 3: up a frightening surge of heat related deaths cherry picked
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Speaker 3: data and ignored findings that temperature changes would see a much.
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Speaker 2: Larger drop in cold related deaths.
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Speaker 3: The Australian reported, So I thought we'd better check out
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Speaker 3: the source material, and sure enough a scientific paper cited
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Speaker 3: by the government's Climate Risk Report exist Here it is,
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Speaker 3: and this peer reviewed research by a camera academic, cited
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Speaker 3: by the government for all its bad news, actually contains
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Speaker 3: good news too. It says projected climate changes will lead
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Speaker 3: to an increase in heat related mortality in the UK
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Speaker 3: and Australian but also a decrease.
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Speaker 2: In cold related deaths. But wait, it gets a.
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Speaker 3: Lot worse than that, because when you drill into the numbers,
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Speaker 3: as Sky News contributor Chris Juelman did for The Australian,
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Speaker 3: you see the good news far outweighs the bad. After
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Speaker 3: examining the numbers, Yulman says the government's risk assessment could
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Speaker 3: have actually said that by the twenty eighties, Australia could
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Speaker 3: see three thousand fewer temperature related deaths each year because
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Speaker 3: the fall in cold related deaths will be more than
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Speaker 3: offset by the rise in heat deaths.
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Speaker 2: Allman went on to.
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Speaker 3: Say rightly that the Government Climate Service should correct this
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Speaker 3: omission if it's to retain any credibility, and this example
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Speaker 3: shows how its report is a polemic rather than a
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Speaker 3: piece of research. Yeah, this is a government which, along
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Speaker 3: with its political allies and the bureaucracy and elements of
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Speaker 3: the scientific community and much of the media, is prepared
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Speaker 3: to spread falsehoods, to dishonestly frighten the hell out of people,
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Speaker 3: including your children and grandchildren, just to bolster their political
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Speaker 3: aims and win support for their crazy climate and energy policies.
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Speaker 3: That is the sad reality, and the politicians should apologize
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Speaker 3: for this too. Chris Bowen and Anthony Albanesi ought to
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Speaker 3: correct the record and apologize, but I guarantee they won't
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Speaker 3: because when you start bowing to the facts, their whole
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Speaker 3: climate and energy House.
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Speaker 2: Of cards will fall down.
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Speaker 3: In the US early today our time, at least one
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Speaker 3: hundred thousand people gathered to mourn the passing of conservative organizer, influencer,
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Speaker 3: debate and evangelist Charlie Kirk. The stadium in Phoenix, Arizona
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Speaker 3: was filled, and thousands of others gathered nearby as a
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Speaker 3: cavalcade of US Republican leaders spoke from President Donald Trump down.
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Speaker 3: But without doubt, the central figure was Kirk's widow, Erica,
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Speaker 3: who not only forgave her husband's killer but also vowed
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Speaker 3: to continue his mission.
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Speaker 12: Chapters will grow, thousands of new ones will be created.
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Speaker 12: TPUSA Faith will add thousands of new pastors and congregations.
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Speaker 12: And Yes, Campus Evan will continue, and we will continue
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Speaker 12: to hold debates and dialogue, because when you stop the conversation,
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Speaker 12: when you stop the.
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Speaker 11: Dialogue, this is what happens.
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Speaker 12: When we lose the ability and the willingness communicate, we
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Speaker 12: get violence.
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Speaker 8: Charlie is bigger today than he was. Think about it
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Speaker 8: just two weeks ago. He's bigger today than he was
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Speaker 8: two weeks ago. Now, that may not help his friends
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Speaker 8: and loved ones, of which there are so many, and
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Speaker 8: may not help Eric and those beautiful children who have
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Speaker 8: to suffer so horribly through this moment. But they know
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Speaker 8: it's true. He's bigger now than ever before, and he's eternal.
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Speaker 8: He's eternal, and I just want to say we love him.
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Speaker 8: And he's looking down at us right now and he
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Speaker 8: say wow, Oh, that's a great crowd.
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Speaker 3: I'll have plenty more on this extraordinary memorial service later
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Speaker 3: with Christian.
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Speaker 2: Tape, but I just want to point out that on
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Speaker 2: the other side of the.
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Speaker 3: Political isle, among the liberal left in the US, there
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Speaker 3: is still hatred being spewed at Charlie.
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Speaker 2: Kirk and his memory.
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Speaker 13: But I am not going to sit here and be
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Speaker 13: judged for not wanting to honor any legacy this man
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Speaker 13: has left behind that should be in the dust pen
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Speaker 13: of history and we should hopefully move on and forget
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Speaker 13: the heat that he spewed every single day.
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Speaker 3: Look, this is pretty sickening and disturbing stuff. There are
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Speaker 3: many lies being told about Kirk, trying to pretend he
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Speaker 3: was racist, misogynistic, homophobic, and device.
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Speaker 2: If when, of course he was anything but.
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Speaker 3: One leftist activist though, who's gone public to correct this misinformation.
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Speaker 3: Van Jones is a former Obama staffer and a prominent
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Speaker 3: liberal left author and commentator who sparred robustly with Kirk
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Speaker 3: across the airwaves and cyberspace. And he's shared a touching
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Speaker 3: and revealing communication from Charlie Kirk just the day before
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Speaker 3: he died.
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Speaker 14: But the day before he died, he did something that
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Speaker 14: shocked me. He sent me a personal message and calling
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Speaker 14: for personal dialogue. Wanted me to come on the show.
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Speaker 14: He said we can be gentlemen together. He said we
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Speaker 14: could deal with our disagreements agreeably. And in the past
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Speaker 14: week and a half, just watching people talk about civil
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Speaker 14: wars and censorship and all this stuff coming out of
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Speaker 14: his death, I just thought it was important to let
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Speaker 14: people know don't put that on Charlie Kirk, because the
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Speaker 14: last day of his life he was reaching out to
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Speaker 14: have not more censorship, more conversation, more dialogue with somebody
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Speaker 14: who honestly was one of his adversaries.
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Speaker 11: Me.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well done to Van Jones for sharing that. Charlie
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Speaker 3: Kirk said we can disagree about the issues agreeably. It's
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Speaker 3: such an important message, and Van Jones agreed to he
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Speaker 3: too wanted to have that opportunity to agree to disagree.
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Speaker 3: But that interview that podcast episode that they were communicating about,
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Speaker 3: with each expressing their opposing views. Well, sadly that will
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Speaker 3: now never happen. I would welcome, as you know, leftist
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Speaker 3: politicians and commentators onto this program as I have done
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Speaker 3: in the past, because I want to disagree with them respectfully,
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Speaker 3: give you the privilege of hearing their arguments. We often
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Speaker 3: ask them, but they choose instead to not turn up
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Speaker 3: shoot barbes from Afar instead.
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Speaker 2: That's pretty sad.
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Speaker 3: We need a robust contest of ideas in the public.
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Speaker 2: Square and we're not getting it.
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Speaker 3: Let go for more now on Australia's recognition of the
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Speaker 3: non existent state of Palestine, I want to go to
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Speaker 3: Alex Ritchen from the.
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Speaker 2: Executives all of Australian Jeury. Thanks for joining us again. Alex.
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Speaker 2: First up, just your response. You knew this was coming.
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Speaker 3: We all knew this was coming, but to hear it
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Speaker 3: proclaimed and see the Prime Minister in New York announcing this,
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Speaker 3: what's your reaction?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, Chris, we knew this was on the cards
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Speaker 6: for a long long time. It's been Labor Party policy
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Speaker 6: since two thousand and one. A month ago, the Prime
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Speaker 6: Minister announced that this would be happening this week, so
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Speaker 6: there's no shock, but it hasn't less than the blow.
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Speaker 6: The community feels incredibly let down. Fundamentally, this is really
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Speaker 6: really poor policy. It plays into the hands of Humas.
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Speaker 6: They've already rejoiced in this announcement they viewed as a
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Speaker 6: step towards the ultimate annihilation of Israel. It's replacement with
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Speaker 6: a Holy Arab state, but ultimately an Now it's for
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Speaker 6: the Australian government to demonstrate why they've done this, how
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Speaker 6: this serves a national interest, how it advances the cause
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Speaker 6: for peace, because they've never made that case. All we've
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Speaker 6: seen since is a frame of relations with our most
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Speaker 6: important ally of the United States, that is really angered
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Speaker 6: by this move. We've seen going distance with Israel, which
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Speaker 6: is the key strategic and intelligence sharing ally. We've seen
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Speaker 6: local activists rejoicing, and I think they'll double down in
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Speaker 6: the extreme activism which is disrupting social cohesion in this country.
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Speaker 6: What benefit will flow from this, It's impossible to see,
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Speaker 6: but the government needs to make the case.
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Speaker 3: With these latest executions in Gaza, we've seen exactly the
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Speaker 3: nature of the Hummas is the most extremists yet. Anthony
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Speaker 3: Albanezi says, of course, Hummas can have no role in
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Speaker 3: the future of Palestine. Yet he gives us no idea
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Speaker 3: of how to get rid of them. He wants to
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Speaker 3: cease fire, which would leave them in place in Gaza. Sure,
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Speaker 3: the onus is on Australia, the UK, Canada, other countries
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Speaker 3: supposedly recognizing a state to explain how on earth they'll
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Speaker 3: first get rid of Hamas and secondly ensure that they
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Speaker 3: don't emerge as the power brokers.
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Speaker 2: Again.
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Speaker 6: It just shows how detached from reality they are on
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Speaker 6: this issue. I mean, they can proclaim all they want
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Speaker 6: that Hummas will play no future role in the governance
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Speaker 6: of the Pasadian territories. But Hummas doesn't believe that. Hummas
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Speaker 6: believes that this is a huge gift of vindication of
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Speaker 6: their tactics of ultra violence and terrorism, which has led
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Speaker 6: to these political outcomes they've been craving. It centralized the
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Speaker 6: Palestinin cause on the world stage. It's led to Israel's
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Speaker 6: increasing isolation, exactly what they anticipated in exactly what they wanted.
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Speaker 6: And we can say that they can't play a part
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Speaker 6: and that you know they're now going to be excluded
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Speaker 6: from any political process they don't listen to reason. They
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Speaker 6: use brute force. And what happens in the Palestinin territories
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Speaker 6: is you have competing terrorist organizations and factions and the
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Speaker 6: most violent and brutal ie prevails. That's how Hummas held
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Speaker 6: sway in Gaza, and if they were allowed to, that
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Speaker 6: hold sway in the West Bank as well. So it's
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Speaker 6: really deluded policy to say that they're excluded, when in
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Speaker 6: fact they're ascended. They've just received a huge shot in
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Speaker 6: the arm and October seven will forevermore be their independence day.
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Speaker 3: The timing of this is terrible on so many fronts,
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Speaker 3: but of course we're very near. We're just days away
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Speaker 3: from the two year anniversary of the October the seventh atrocity,
23:58
Speaker 3: so this could have badly be rubbing the salt into
24:01
Speaker 3: the wounds of Israeli's more strongly. Also, of course, today
24:05
Speaker 3: it's Jewish New Year, a very important festival for Jewish people,
24:09
Speaker 3: So shine it over to you, Alex. But I've received
24:12
Speaker 3: some messages from Jewish friends looking forward to the year ahead,
24:16
Speaker 3: and they want in this next year what they've wanted
24:19
Speaker 3: for the last two years.
24:20
Speaker 2: That is peace in Israel and Gaza and the hostages back.
24:26
Speaker 3: Did you ever think that we would be going into
24:28
Speaker 3: a third year of this horrible hostage crisis.
24:34
Speaker 6: No, I didn't. And look it shows the futility and
24:37
Speaker 6: the limitation of the intercal community. I mean, the Australian
24:39
Speaker 6: government thinks that it can impose peace in a two
24:42
Speaker 6: state solution. They can't even get the hostage back. They've
24:45
Speaker 6: been living in the most treacherous, diabolical state for approaching
24:50
Speaker 6: two years now, and the interstual community is either unwilling
24:53
Speaker 6: or utterly unable to do anything about it. And they
24:56
Speaker 6: think they's somehow going to end an eighty year conflict
24:58
Speaker 6: and broke a piece between the sides. The fact that
25:00
Speaker 6: we're approaching two years and the fact that as you
25:02
Speaker 6: say and thank you for the greeting on our Roshashina holiday,
25:06
Speaker 6: it gives us a sense of perspective. It shows us
25:08
Speaker 6: that throughout three thousand years of connection with that land,
25:11
Speaker 6: we faced all matter of enemy people who have denied
25:14
Speaker 6: our connection to Jerusalem, to the land. We've lived and
25:17
Speaker 6: outseen them all and we know that ultimately will prevail them.
25:20
Speaker 6: This to regardless of the proclamations of Western governments.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again. Alex.
25:25
Speaker 3: Appreciate your time, Alex rich and they're from the Executive
25:28
Speaker 3: Council of Australian During and shout it over to any
25:31
Speaker 3: of our Jewish friends watching tonight.
25:34
Speaker 2: Now. Optus is facing tens of millions of.
25:37
Speaker 3: Dollars worth of fines now after its latest deadly stuff up.
25:42
Speaker 3: Four people died when the telco suffered a thirteen hour failure.
25:46
Speaker 3: We saw hundreds of emergency calls blocked. Here's the latest
25:50
Speaker 3: thanks to seven News.
25:53
Speaker 5: The Minister, her department and the Australian Communications and Media
25:56
Speaker 5: Authority were first emailed about the Optis out he affecting
26:00
Speaker 5: ten calls on Thursday around three pm. They didn't hear
26:03
Speaker 5: anything further until three forty pm on Friday and were
26:07
Speaker 5: told the outage had affected one hundred calls. Then after
26:10
Speaker 5: four pm they were told the outage had then affected
26:13
Speaker 5: six hundred calls and the department indicated there were three
26:17
Speaker 5: deaths linked. It was then Optus boss Stephen Rue held
26:20
Speaker 5: a press conference. His position is now under fire.
26:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's bring in the shadow Communications Minister Melissa McIntosh.
26:28
Speaker 3: He joins me live from Sydney. Thanks for joining us, Melissa.
26:31
Speaker 3: This is a terrible dilemma. Optus have failed in this
26:36
Speaker 3: regard previously. First of all, what sanctions should apply to
26:40
Speaker 3: the company from the government at this stage?
26:46
Speaker 2: Thank you.
26:46
Speaker 1: You're right, it's terrible.
26:49
Speaker 15: I think those initial feelings of devastation now feelings of
26:53
Speaker 15: frustration to hear that there have been so many failures
26:58
Speaker 15: in the process Opts, of course, and we're so devastated
27:03
Speaker 15: about these families. But there are questions, and you ask
27:07
Speaker 15: what should happen now. I've questions around the process of
27:10
Speaker 15: when OPTAs first alerted, which is required by law, first
27:14
Speaker 15: alerted the regulator and the Communications Department on Thursday, but
27:19
Speaker 15: the ministers saying she didn't hear anything until Friday afternoon.
27:24
Speaker 15: So the government has announced an investigation, but leading that
27:29
Speaker 15: investigation is the regulator. So the regulator, who has been
27:33
Speaker 15: caught up in this process where there has been failures,
27:36
Speaker 15: should not be the body that is conducting the investigation.
27:40
Speaker 15: So right now we're still have more unanswered questions. People
27:46
Speaker 15: are rightly feeling like they're losing trust in our most
27:49
Speaker 15: essential telephone service. They're also losing trust in the process.
27:56
Speaker 2: You're dead right.
27:56
Speaker 3: The investigation has to be done by someone completely into
28:00
Speaker 3: not somebody involved in this process. Look, we all know
28:03
Speaker 3: that technology can have a glitch. It's about how you
28:06
Speaker 3: deal with it now. Obviously, when the triple zero calls
28:09
Speaker 3: were not working for Optus, somebody needed to act and
28:13
Speaker 3: act quickly to let the CEO now know and to
28:17
Speaker 3: let governments and other authorities know.
28:19
Speaker 2: That took way too long.
28:21
Speaker 3: Was part of the problem here, the fact that it
28:23
Speaker 3: was overseas call centers who were notified first. Obviously OPAS
28:28
Speaker 3: has call centers overseas to save money. Have those money
28:32
Speaker 3: saving efforts jeopardized community safety.
28:38
Speaker 15: I think one of the top outcomes of this must
28:42
Speaker 15: be that all court centers related to triple zero need
28:47
Speaker 15: to be in our country. There's no in talk about sovereignty.
28:50
Speaker 15: It's the talk of the town right now. But there's
28:53
Speaker 15: no more important sovereignty than getting this right when people's
28:56
Speaker 15: lives are on the line. And there has been a major,
29:00
Speaker 15: major failure. And I think it's not in the recommendations
29:04
Speaker 15: of the previous review that was conducted, but I think
29:07
Speaker 15: it should be the top recommendation and it has to
29:09
Speaker 15: be implemented as a matter of urgency.
29:12
Speaker 2: I could not agree more. I mean, there's so many
29:15
Speaker 2: failings along the way here.
29:16
Speaker 3: But we're expecting a operator in a foreign country to
29:20
Speaker 3: upscale an alert about triple O numbers in Australia. They
29:24
Speaker 3: may not even really understand the importance of TRIPLEO in
29:28
Speaker 3: this country. We've got to get that stuff happening on
29:30
Speaker 3: it within our own shores, within our own borders.
29:32
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, Melissa, I appreciate it.
29:35
Speaker 3: Melissa Bacintosh there, who's the shadow Communications Minister.
29:37
Speaker 2: We've got to get to a break on the other side.
29:39
Speaker 2: We'll catch up.
29:40
Speaker 3: And give you more insight into that memorial service for
29:43
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk. I'll cross to Christen Tate in the US.
29:50
Speaker 3: As I mentioned at the top of the program, more
29:52
Speaker 3: than one hundred thousand people gathered early today our time
29:56
Speaker 3: to mourn the passing of Charlie Kirk.
29:58
Speaker 2: It was a stirring memorial which.
30:00
Speaker 3: Charlie's widow, Erica forgave her husband's killer.
30:04
Speaker 2: Have a look at this on.
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Speaker 10: The cross, our Savior said, Father, forgive them, for they
30:16
Speaker 10: not know what they do.
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Speaker 11: That man, that young man, I forgive him.
30:42
Speaker 3: That was an extraordinary moment and as I put to
30:45
Speaker 3: our US contributor, Christian Tate, it came at a time
30:48
Speaker 3: when American needs forgiveness and reconciliation.
30:53
Speaker 16: Yes, millions of Americans witnessed a profound act of courage
30:57
Speaker 16: and virtue when Erica forgave the killer.
31:01
Speaker 1: Of her husband.
31:03
Speaker 16: And I truly believe Chris that perhaps one bright spot
31:07
Speaker 16: of this horrible tragedy of Charlie being assassinated is that
31:11
Speaker 16: we are witnessing in this country right now a revival
31:15
Speaker 16: of faith, of mostly Christian faith. Every single speaker at
31:19
Speaker 16: this service glorified God. The Gospel was proclaimed by speakers
31:24
Speaker 16: like Tucker Carlson. I spent the weekend writing a piece
31:28
Speaker 16: for The Federalist about this sort of revival being sparked
31:32
Speaker 16: by Charlie's assassination. But when I started writing that last
31:37
Speaker 16: when I got the idea for this piece last week,
31:39
Speaker 16: it was because I myself actually started reading the Bible,
31:42
Speaker 16: searching for answers after this tragedy. I noticed so many
31:45
Speaker 16: people on social media saying they were doing the same.
31:48
Speaker 1: Many had gone to church for the first time last week.
31:51
Speaker 16: But then during this memorial service, I mean, we just
31:54
Speaker 16: saw this explode.
31:56
Speaker 1: Prayer.
31:57
Speaker 16: Elon Musk is now quoting sure On X, something profound
32:02
Speaker 16: is happening in this country, and it's just been really
32:06
Speaker 16: heartening to see.
32:08
Speaker 3: This is something that's different about American politics and Australian politics.
32:13
Speaker 2: We don't get that linking of religion with.
32:16
Speaker 3: Politics here in the same way traditionally it's been there
32:19
Speaker 3: in American politics on both sides of the aisle, really,
32:22
Speaker 3: but you're saying it's being energized now and we've seen that.
32:25
Speaker 3: We saw that very much in the memorial service for
32:27
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk today. Let's have a look at a little
32:30
Speaker 3: bit of what the President had to say there.
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Speaker 8: Charlie's murder was not just an attack on one man
32:37
Speaker 8: or one movement. It was an attack on our entire nation.
32:42
Speaker 8: It was an assault on our most sacred liberties and
32:44
Speaker 8: God given rights. The gun was pointed at him, but
32:48
Speaker 8: the bullet was aimed at all of us. That bullet
32:50
Speaker 8: was aimed at every one of us. But the assassin
32:53
Speaker 8: failed at his quest. Because Charlie's message has not been silenced.
32:57
Speaker 8: It now is bigger and better and stronger than ever before,
33:03
Speaker 8: and it's not even close.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very powerful point, Christian, one you've made
33:11
Speaker 3: before to us that Charlie Kirk's message and his turning
33:15
Speaker 3: point organization seemed to be flourishing in the wake of
33:18
Speaker 3: this horrible assassination. And you make this point about religion too,
33:22
Speaker 3: and we hear it there from the present because Charlie
33:25
Speaker 3: Kirk's message.
33:27
Speaker 2: Was overtly political.
33:29
Speaker 3: Of course, he was a Trump supporter and a Republican supporter,
33:32
Speaker 3: but he was as evangelical, if not more when it
33:36
Speaker 3: came to Christianity.
33:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was something that evolved over the years.
33:42
Speaker 16: I mentioned back when I met Charlie for the first time,
33:45
Speaker 16: he never really talked.
33:47
Speaker 1: That much about Christianity.
33:48
Speaker 16: He was very focused on, you know, the typical Republican
33:51
Speaker 16: things like tax cuts and making government smaller. But as
33:55
Speaker 16: he grew and as he started a family and got older,
33:58
Speaker 16: that really became the best rock of his message is
34:01
Speaker 16: that to restore the country, we need to restore these
34:04
Speaker 16: values that were fundamental in the founding of this nation.
34:08
Speaker 16: And Trump is president. Trump is absolutely correct that this
34:12
Speaker 16: assassination has emboldened Charlie's message and the movement he worked
34:17
Speaker 16: for to another.
34:19
Speaker 1: Level that none of us could have expected.
34:22
Speaker 16: The message tonight from so many of these people that
34:24
Speaker 16: remember Charlie was to put on your armor and fight, fight.
34:28
Speaker 1: For the restoration of the country, fight for truth and
34:31
Speaker 1: fight for Charlie and his memory, and to defeat the darkness.
34:36
Speaker 16: And that's really kind of the common thread through all
34:40
Speaker 16: these people that knew Charlie and spoke this evening.
34:43
Speaker 3: Now people have different ways of fighting in politics, and
34:47
Speaker 3: the President again looked at a bit of a contrast
34:50
Speaker 3: between him and the light. Charlie Kirk stalls when it
34:53
Speaker 3: came to political battles.
34:54
Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 8: He did not hate his opponents.
34:57
Speaker 2: He wanted the best for them.
35:00
Speaker 8: That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent
35:06
Speaker 8: and I don't want the best for them.
35:07
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I am sorry Erica.
35:11
Speaker 8: But now Erica can talk to me and the whole
35:13
Speaker 8: group and maybe they can convince me that.
35:15
Speaker 2: That's not right.
35:15
Speaker 8: But I can't stand my opponent.
35:18
Speaker 2: Hey is such a strange individual.
35:21
Speaker 3: Donald Trump just an amazing I mean, that's as close
35:24
Speaker 3: as you get to humility from Donald Trump. He's effectively
35:28
Speaker 3: saying that Charlie Kirk was a better person than me.
35:32
Speaker 1: I mean, this is why we all love Trump. He's
35:35
Speaker 1: just so honest. He says what's on his mind.
35:37
Speaker 16: In a moral sense, of course, the Charlie kirk Erica
35:41
Speaker 16: Kirkway is correct in a political sense.
35:43
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with Trump.
35:45
Speaker 16: I mean the leftist ideology that seeks to silence anyone
35:49
Speaker 16: who disagrees with them. That ideology does need to be defeated,
35:54
Speaker 16: and so that fighting spirit of Trump.
35:57
Speaker 1: A lot of us appreciate that.
35:59
Speaker 3: Kristin, thanks so much for joining us on what's been
36:01
Speaker 3: a momentous day for Americans and especially for yourself.
36:04
Speaker 2: I really appreciate you joining us.
36:07
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Chris.
36:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, after the break we'll go to the UK.
36:11
Speaker 3: We'll catch up with Sophie Osworth because don't forget the
36:14
Speaker 3: UK has recognized Palestine too.
36:17
Speaker 2: Don't go away, you.
36:23
Speaker 3: Know, talking about respectful debate and the contest of ideas.
36:27
Speaker 3: There's something I should mention to you, and that is
36:29
Speaker 3: that you hear a lot from me about people demonizing Israel,
36:32
Speaker 3: and there is far too much of that going on,
36:35
Speaker 3: But neither should people demonize Muslims when we try and
36:38
Speaker 3: deal with these issues. You hear me talk a lot
36:40
Speaker 3: about Islamist extremism. Islamist extremism, Islamist terrorism is a massive
36:46
Speaker 3: problem for this country, for the entire world, especially for
36:50
Speaker 3: the Middle East full Europe. We have to combat Islamist extremism.
36:55
Speaker 3: We have to be able to talk about that openly
36:57
Speaker 3: and honestly all the time. That it doesn't mean demonizing Muslims.
37:02
Speaker 3: We've got to be very careful about demonizing Muslims. And
37:06
Speaker 3: I mentioned that because you will see some news coverage
37:08
Speaker 3: about a guest who was on one of our programs
37:10
Speaker 3: last night on this channel, and that guest should not
37:13
Speaker 3: have been on this channel. Now those stations doing taking
37:17
Speaker 3: measures to make sure that doesn't happen again. But I'm
37:21
Speaker 3: not in the business of denigrating my colleagues. It was
37:23
Speaker 3: just a mistake that was made. But we don't demonize Muslims.
37:27
Speaker 3: In fact, it is Muslims who suffer most at the
37:31
Speaker 3: hands of Islamist extremists, and it's Muslims who are our
37:34
Speaker 3: most important allies in combating Islamist extremism.
37:39
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to mention that tonight before we
37:40
Speaker 2: go on.
37:41
Speaker 3: With more on these issues, because as I said at
37:43
Speaker 3: the top of the program, it's not just Anthony Albanezi
37:46
Speaker 3: and Australia who was now recognized the non existent state
37:49
Speaker 3: of Palestine. The poems have done the same along with Canada.
37:53
Speaker 3: He is Britain's Prime Minister, Kirstarma.
37:57
Speaker 17: In the face of the growing horror in the Middle East,
38:00
Speaker 17: we are acting to keep alave the possibility of peace
38:04
Speaker 17: and a two stage solution that means a safe and
38:09
Speaker 17: secure Israel alongside a viable Palestinian state. At the moment
38:16
Speaker 17: we have neither ordinary people Israeli and Palestinian deserve to
38:23
Speaker 17: live in peace.
38:26
Speaker 3: Same hopeless misdirected words there from Kiyostarmer that we've got
38:30
Speaker 3: from Anthony Alberansi.
38:31
Speaker 2: Let's go to the UK now and catch up with.
38:33
Speaker 3: Sophia's with Europe correspondent and Skye News contributor. Thanks for
38:37
Speaker 3: joining us again, Sophia. There's politics always in these moves.
38:42
Speaker 3: I would argue that Anthony Alberanesi has recognized Palestine partly
38:46
Speaker 3: because of that's his long held political position as a
38:50
Speaker 3: socialist Left faction member, but also because he thinks it
38:53
Speaker 3: is politically beneficial for him. Now, is there a sense
38:57
Speaker 3: that domestic politics could be driving Kios Starmer as well?
39:02
Speaker 18: Yeah, great to be with you, Chris.
39:03
Speaker 19: Look, there absolutely is a feeling here on the ground
39:06
Speaker 19: in the UK that this is a decision to try
39:09
Speaker 19: and boost secure Sarma's popularity here on the ground in Britain.
39:15
Speaker 18: But there's been a lot of discussion this morning in
39:18
Speaker 18: the media.
39:19
Speaker 19: That what is this going to achieve, Chris, similar to Australia.
39:23
Speaker 18: What is the result of this going to be?
39:25
Speaker 19: Now, just on the front of the Daily Mail today
39:27
Speaker 19: it says a mask claims victory after step Sarma hands
39:31
Speaker 19: out a prize for terrorism. And these are the sort
39:34
Speaker 19: of front pages we're seeing here in the UK. I
39:37
Speaker 19: love looking at the British front pages every day, Chris,
39:40
Speaker 19: because it often sets the agenda for the day.
39:43
Speaker 18: But there is a lot of concern about what will
39:46
Speaker 18: this achieve.
39:47
Speaker 19: He put this out in a carefully manicured and articulated
39:51
Speaker 19: six minute video via social media yesterday Chris.
39:54
Speaker 18: This was not done in the House of Commons.
39:56
Speaker 19: This was produced and then we knew it was coming
39:59
Speaker 19: and then dropped yesterday afternoon local time. So there is
40:03
Speaker 19: concern what does this mean and what will it achieve?
40:07
Speaker 3: And indeed, yeah, and it's impossible for Alberaneesi and Keir
40:10
Speaker 3: Starmer and and Karni and others to deny that this
40:13
Speaker 3: is rewarding terrorism because the terrorist organizations themselves are saying you, beauty,
40:18
Speaker 3: you've done this because of October the seventh, that actually
40:22
Speaker 3: saying it. So it's just shocking to see. But like
40:25
Speaker 3: Australia in many ways that going back to the broader
40:28
Speaker 3: domestic political scene, you've got a government that's very unpopular
40:32
Speaker 3: and struggling in.
40:33
Speaker 2: The polls, but the opposition is not capitalizing.
40:37
Speaker 3: The Conservatives again in all sorts of disarray even though
40:42
Speaker 3: the government is on the nose.
40:43
Speaker 2: Tell us what's going on there?
40:47
Speaker 19: They absolutely are, Chris, I mean, the Conservatives here are
40:51
Speaker 19: in free fall in terms of their ratings and popularity.
40:54
Speaker 18: Kemy Beadenoki, opposition leader here for.
40:57
Speaker 19: The Conservative Party, is struggling and there's a story in
41:01
Speaker 19: the UK papers here that there's been a social media
41:04
Speaker 19: account set up Kemy Countdown, which is counting down to
41:08
Speaker 19: when they can first have a vote for the leadership
41:11
Speaker 19: in November, to perhaps topple her.
41:14
Speaker 18: Now.
41:14
Speaker 19: She has really struggled here since taking over in what
41:18
Speaker 19: was a pretty difficult job when the Conservatives lost that
41:22
Speaker 19: election last July in a whopping defeat by the Labor government.
41:27
Speaker 19: She has a tough job, but she doesn't seem to
41:29
Speaker 19: have the cut through and Nigel Frage is the one
41:32
Speaker 19: that really Labor are concerned about. They're not concerned about
41:35
Speaker 19: the Tory Party.
41:37
Speaker 3: Well, the toy should be concerned about Nigel Farrage too.
41:40
Speaker 3: He seems to be dominating UK politics now in a
41:44
Speaker 3: way that Donald Trump has done across the Atlantic.
41:48
Speaker 18: Well, it's interesting this morning, Chris on radio here in London,
41:52
Speaker 18: they're talking about policies that Nigel Ffrage has on migration.
41:56
Speaker 18: They're saying, this is on the front page. This is what.
41:58
Speaker 19: Nigel Frage is doing. The Conservatives are not even in
42:02
Speaker 19: the mix here, Chris. This should be extremely concerning for them,
42:06
Speaker 19: particularly with some of their key figureheads defecting to Reform
42:11
Speaker 19: and I expect to see more of this. So it's
42:14
Speaker 19: really labor versus reform here in the UK, not Labor
42:18
Speaker 19: versus the Conservatives.
42:19
Speaker 3: Great analysis on the ground as ever, Sophie, thanks so
42:22
Speaker 3: much for joining us. Sophie O's with their Live from London.
42:25
Speaker 3: We've got to get to a break. On the other side,
42:27
Speaker 3: we've got Gematon Union Caroline Drusso hopef sought out to
42:30
Speaker 3: Labour's lies on zero Here the fantasy World being presented
42:34
Speaker 3: by Chris Bowen and Anthony Albanezi.
42:41
Speaker 2: Let us sort out the problems of.
42:42
Speaker 3: The world with Gematon Uni here on the desk from
42:44
Speaker 3: GT Communications and across in Perth we've got Caroline Russo
42:48
Speaker 3: Sky News contributed.
42:49
Speaker 2: Great to have both of you on, especially at the moment.
42:52
Speaker 3: This issue of Optus, because you guys have both got
42:55
Speaker 3: a bit of experience when it comes to issues of
42:57
Speaker 3: the crisis management.
42:59
Speaker 2: How much could have managed this mess?
43:03
Speaker 20: Carrow, Oh, I'm not sure that they could have. They
43:08
Speaker 20: could have done this worse actually, And the thing that
43:11
Speaker 20: I suppose, apart from the subjects, apart from the fact
43:14
Speaker 20: that you know, people have passed away here and this
43:17
Speaker 20: is a really serious failure, it doesn't seem that they've learned. Chris,
43:22
Speaker 20: and I'm no expert in telecommunications or anything.
43:24
Speaker 1: Like that, but after the data breach.
43:27
Speaker 20: From a couple of years ago and Kelly bay Rosmarin
43:30
Speaker 20: standing down and the absolute debarkled that was their public
43:35
Speaker 20: relations strategy and their external communications and all of that
43:41
Speaker 20: crisis management was an absolute binfire. Here we are but
43:45
Speaker 20: a couple of years later, different CEO, and we're seeing
43:49
Speaker 20: we're seeing something you know, separate issue, but equally really
43:53
Speaker 20: really poor external communications on this and general will have
43:57
Speaker 20: you know something better to say in a technique cool sense,
44:00
Speaker 20: but just looking at it. When something like this goes wrong,
44:04
Speaker 20: everyone should be going back afterwards to work out how
44:07
Speaker 20: you sought this out so that you can handle it
44:09
Speaker 20: better next time. And it just doesn't appear that they've learned.
44:11
Speaker 2: Yes, spot on.
44:13
Speaker 3: You've just got to remind yourself every moment of the
44:15
Speaker 3: way here people have lost their lives because of this
44:17
Speaker 3: stuff up And Jemma, this is the key point, right
44:20
Speaker 3: You can't I've been through this in some of my
44:22
Speaker 3: previous roles.
44:23
Speaker 2: You can't spin stuff right now. What you've actually got
44:27
Speaker 2: to do is know the facts and fix the problems.
44:30
Speaker 2: Then you can tell people about that.
44:31
Speaker 3: But if you don't know your own business, how can
44:34
Speaker 3: you communicate it.
44:36
Speaker 21: There's a couple of things I want to say about this.
44:37
Speaker 21: The first one is obviously I'm not in the room,
44:39
Speaker 21: neither of you, and it's very easy sometimes things are obvious.
44:43
Speaker 21: But I do want to acknowledge I haven't been in
44:45
Speaker 21: the room and been party to any of the decisions
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Speaker 21: that would to appear in relation to the external piece
44:50
Speaker 21: that would appear to be terrible decisions. My first observation
44:53
Speaker 21: would be the minute that there was a problem with
44:55
Speaker 21: Triple zero.
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Speaker 1: Why was there not an.
44:58
Speaker 21: Instant media release to every newsroom the country there are
45:01
Speaker 21: problems with Triple zero. If you need to call Triple
45:03
Speaker 21: zero and you have a problem, this is your default.
45:05
Speaker 21: I mean, that is the first thing you would do
45:07
Speaker 21: in a situation like that. Why did it take so
45:10
Speaker 21: long to be escalated internally and then of course externally.
45:13
Speaker 21: And I noticed from the paper today that a media
45:16
Speaker 21: conference was shut down by the Optics team after seventeen
45:19
Speaker 21: minutes four people died.
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Speaker 1: If that media conference needs.
45:23
Speaker 21: To run for an hour questions to be answered, then
45:26
Speaker 21: that media conference runs for an hour. And like I said,
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Speaker 21: I wasn't part of the decision to shut that down.
45:32
Speaker 21: But unless someone was heading off to have a kidney transplant,
45:36
Speaker 21: there is no reason to cut that short. It speaks
45:38
Speaker 21: to have it looks like it looks like someone has
45:41
Speaker 21: something to hide, whether or not they do. It's the
45:43
Speaker 21: perception versus reality. And I just you know, I deal
45:49
Speaker 21: with this in my daily life. It's my day job,
45:52
Speaker 21: like you said in your previous roles, and it is
45:54
Speaker 21: a really intense, difficult situation. And if I have empathy,
45:59
Speaker 21: it's because I understand how difficult.
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Speaker 2: This would be.
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Speaker 21: They have to wear the weight of those lost lives.
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Speaker 1: They have to wear the weight of.
46:06
Speaker 21: That and nothing can make up for that. But when
46:08
Speaker 21: it comes to transparency, now is the time for transparency accountability.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, the issue is so serious that followed the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister all the way to New York City.
46:19
Speaker 4: Quite clearly, Optus's behavior is completely unacceptable. We have made
46:25
Speaker 4: that very clear.
46:26
Speaker 2: Should the Chief Executive consider his position?
46:29
Speaker 4: I would have thought I'd be surprised if that wasn't occurring.
46:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, Second, the CEO doesn't really fix the problem though,
46:38
Speaker 3: that's the primeency.
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Speaker 21: Next, I'm saying that it was deliberate, but it's systemic.
46:41
Speaker 3: I think one of the problems if you've got in
46:43
Speaker 3: call centers overseas, how can you expect people who are
46:45
Speaker 3: overseas to be in tune with what's going on in Australia.
46:48
Speaker 2: To me, that's one of the key things that would
46:50
Speaker 2: need to change.
46:51
Speaker 3: I want to move on to another issue where the
46:53
Speaker 3: government has been guilty of misleading us deliberately.
46:56
Speaker 2: Here's a reminder of what they were preaching on climate
46:58
Speaker 2: alarmism last week week. Here's Chris Bowen.
47:02
Speaker 4: Cascading it will get worse over time, compounding each impact
47:07
Speaker 4: of climate change will make another impact worse.
47:11
Speaker 3: Just on last week there, now, Caroline, it's so obvious
47:14
Speaker 3: and clear now with some forensic analysis that this spent
47:17
Speaker 3: twenty million dollars of taxpayers money getting their climate service
47:21
Speaker 3: to pump out climate fear porn that deliberately suppressed any
47:27
Speaker 3: good news and made the bad news sound worse.
47:31
Speaker 20: Yes, and it was very electorally successful for them. And
47:34
Speaker 20: it's I think the comments over the last couple of
47:36
Speaker 20: days from Chris Bowen have been really quiet in lightning
47:40
Speaker 20: because he's like, oh, well, we'll just spend more money. Like, bro,
47:43
Speaker 20: that's our Money's what is the.
47:46
Speaker 1: Outcome of all of this? Last year?
47:48
Speaker 20: Our emissions went up, So you're spending money, You're spending
47:52
Speaker 20: more money.
47:53
Speaker 1: But what is the actual result that.
47:56
Speaker 20: Is being achieved here? And at some point, Chris, they're
48:00
Speaker 20: going to run out a runway because you can only
48:02
Speaker 20: play this game for so long. You can only have
48:05
Speaker 20: so many rebates and so much this and so much
48:07
Speaker 20: that before you know, it becomes unavoidable that everyone has
48:13
Speaker 20: to face a reality that whatever the policy is, it
48:17
Speaker 20: is not producing whatever the desired result is. And we've
48:22
Speaker 20: we've seen it from companies, we've seen it from former leaders,
48:27
Speaker 20: you know, overseas and whatever. The way that net zero
48:30
Speaker 20: is being shopped around as it currently is, it's not
48:34
Speaker 20: doing what they say it's going to do.
48:36
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that.
48:37
Speaker 3: And apart from all the politics and the policy missteps,
48:40
Speaker 3: what I hate is the way they're deliberately putting the
48:42
Speaker 3: fear of God into our children.
48:43
Speaker 2: That is unforgivable. Now we've only got a minute less left.
48:47
Speaker 3: Con Genma, I want to let you have a say
48:49
Speaker 3: on recognizing Palestine. We knew what was going to happen,
48:52
Speaker 3: but isn't it horrible to see our government do this
48:54
Speaker 3: on the national stage, the international stage.
48:56
Speaker 21: Well, I mean it's Rosha Shana for those who don't know,
48:59
Speaker 21: that's Jewish Year, and imagine imagine that. I don't believe
49:02
Speaker 21: the government didn't know, and I don't believe that they,
49:06
Speaker 21: you know, can say, oh, you know, it doesn't matter.
49:07
Speaker 21: It's it's a deliberate thing and it's very much on
49:10
Speaker 21: brand for them. And I guess I want to say this.
49:13
Speaker 21: You know, they've wrapped a whole bunch of conditions around it.
49:17
Speaker 21: None of those conditions will be met. You and I
49:19
Speaker 21: know that history dictates the fact that no conditions set
49:24
Speaker 21: by the Albanese government will be met within the timeframe
49:27
Speaker 21: that they have set.
49:28
Speaker 1: So what are you going to do?
49:29
Speaker 21: Prime Minister, what are you going to do?
49:30
Speaker 1: Senator Wong?
49:31
Speaker 21: Are you going to roll back this nonsense and admit
49:33
Speaker 21: that you were wrong because history is already judging you.
49:37
Speaker 2: So poorly on this on Gemma spot On. Absolutely Thanks
49:40
Speaker 2: for joining us, Caroline and Jematon.
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Speaker 3: Uni will see you next week. That is all the
49:44
Speaker 3: time we've got for you tonight. I'll see you tomorrow
49:46
Speaker 3: at five o'clock.
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Speaker 2: Here's