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Spring Practice Insider: Is It "Natty Or Bust" For Ohio State Football In 2024? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Welcome to a very special live episode of Buckeyes tomorrow morning for Friday, March
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eighth. I'm your host Tom Moore. The Akron game in one hundred and
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seventy six days, the game he gets Michigan in two hundred and sixty seven
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days. Joined with by Tony Gurdiman, a Puckehudle. Like how we just
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cut to watch spring practice number two for the Buckeyes and then got to talk
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to a whole bunch of Ohio State players. Mostly he seemed like it was
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all defense. It was all defense today. Yeah, talked to Jim Knowles
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and a bunch of a bunch of returning Buckeyes on the defensive side of the
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ball. I guess, Tony, let's start with practice. Any big takeaways,
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any big observations from practice number two? Not really. The one thing
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I wanted to find out was the situation at Nickel behind Jordan Hancock and saw
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Lorenzo Styles junior there. Asked Jim Knowles about him afterwards and said he's obviously
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good size. This listened to sixty one one. But the speed is the
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other thing that they really liked there. I also think it's an underrated factor
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that he's been a receiver who's played inside and outside, so that's another little
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added bonus there. So he was working with the twos there, and of
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course Miles Lockhart worked with the threes at Nicol, So that's one of the
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things I wanted to go in and look at. Everything else seemed pretty similar
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to what we saw on Tuesday. They did mix up the offensive line a
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little bit because when we got here and they started out Downavan Jackson was with
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the twos. I don't think he's been demoted, just probably not just And
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also Luke Montgomery was with the twos. So they're just moving some guys,
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you know, just mixing and matching. Spring Practice number two always seems to
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me like this is the one where you figure out, Okay, what did
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I not look at practice one? And then you look at it practice because
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there's so much stuff that different stuff going on and you can only be in
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one place at a time, and you know, for me, it's okay,
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who did I not get pictures of the last time? But you know,
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it's just not much changes from practice one to practice too. It's just
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more of okay, gathering more of that initial data to then have stuff to
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compare it to Buck Guy's now head out for spring break. They will be
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off next week. Yes, well we'll see, we'll see how much that
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actually happens. I mean this is a pretty focused group. I mean this
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is a pretty driven group. I'm going to start. I'm going to start
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our conversation with Denzel Burke where a lot of great interview shows start. Denzel
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Burke said, I'm just gonna read the direct quote here. There were a
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lot of good direct quotes from Denzel Burke. Quote Natty or bust, We've
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got to win it all. That's break. That's uh. I think he
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means the national chance. He didn't specify, but yes, yes, yes,
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so National championship or bust. You know this, It's basically was more
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or less. I'm gonna paraphrase here. You look around and look at the
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talent you've got, but you know what the goals are. The goals are
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beat Michigan, win the Big Ten, win the National championship. So far,
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these fourth year players have not done that. So this is the year
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where you know, no more excuses, no more anything. The I think
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the fan base, the expectation is what it is, and it sounds like
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for a lot of the players, at least for Denzel Burke, that's the
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expectation as well. Yeah, And as I were listening to this, because
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we talked to like all of the juniors and seniors that came back. They're
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not all of them, but that was the bulk of who we talked to
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on defense, and I was trying to remember which of them was it that
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said this was a group decision, and which of them was that said this
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other thing. It's because they all sound the same in terms of what they're
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talking about the purpose. So I don't know if it was Jordan or Denzel
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said I want to leave with something, and it could have been JT.
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Moa, who also could have said it was a joint decision. Like they're
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all speaking from this this this experience, this collective experience, this collective decision
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that they got together and decided basically as a group, we're going to come
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back and if you can't come back, do come back. And that's what
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you've seen. And so they're all speaking the same language. And like every
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great team needs great communication, there's some good communicators out here well, and
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you hear some of the same stuff that when Brian Day's talking to the team.
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We hear some of that coming out their mouths as well, in terms
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of, you know, the no talent stuff and you know, all the
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real attention to detail kind of stuff. Burke talked about that at one point.
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I mean, the message is getting through, and you would think,
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yeah, you would expect the message to get through, because when these guys
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came, a lot of them to Ohio State, they were probably thinking,
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all right, three years off to the NFL, gonna beat Michigan three times,
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maybe win two, I don't know, maybe three national championships. You
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know, the Big Ten Championship is just just a given when they showed up.
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They showed up in twenty twenty one, and it was just sort of
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okay, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, you
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beat Michigan, if you get to play Michigan and then you go win the
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Big Ten Championship, that's just what happens every year, and that has not
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been their experience. So you know, it makes sense that this is that
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they were able to kind of round everyone up and run it back for another
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year. Denzil Burke again in a moment of extreme candor, you know,
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was asked, you know why you just had to come back, And the
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first thing was he said, was well to make more money because he was
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projected he was given a late first early second round projection and said I can
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do better than that, and betting on himself and with the realities of nil.
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Now it is no longer a make the money or don't make the money
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conversation. It is a do you want to make some money here and bet
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on yourself or do you want to take more immediately? So that was interesting.
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He also Tony was asked about the wide receivers. This is another that
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you don't want to read too much into this, but I'm gonna read a
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little bit into it. The three names he said, the first three names
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when he said when he talked about the wide receivers Carnell, Karnell, take
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mec Mecha Abuka, JJ Jeremiah Smith. Interesting. This is just this is
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much like each of these individual practices. This is just a data point.
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But when you get guys who are just sort of you know, it's not
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like I'm going to name the entire wide receiver room just so I don't leave
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anyone out like That's sometimes that's how Ryan day is He's like, he doesn't
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want to name someone because he doesn't want to leave anyone out. Denzil Burke
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is about as straightforward as it gets, and so when he says that,
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it's you know, he kind of followed it up with, you know,
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I don't want to put too much on him, but like, you know,
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it's kind of like, yeah, it's there for him to be the
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next dude here, you know. And you can contrast that with when he
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was When Denzel Burke was asking about Jeremiah Smith at the Cotton Ball in the
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days leading up to the Cotton boll and he said, and I want to
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say it first, and now we're here, he's seen it. So this,
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to me, I have always been I've been the opponent of day one
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starter. Like You've talked about it, Mark Giveler's talked about it, Kevin
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Noon, I've talked about it. Generally. If you guys are like in
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agreement on something, I know I'm in the right to stay away. But
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if denzel Burke is talking about somebody that, like, I don't need any
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more proof than that. So gosh, I guess I was. I'm not
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going to say it, but no, it's too it's too soon to say
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for sure. If he's talking about somebody that that means, and if he's
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talking about somebody in a positive way, yeah, you know that's significant to
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me. And you know someone else he was talking about in a positive way
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was Jermaine Matthews said, you know, that's my guy. That's you know.
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He was asked is he going to be like the next Denzel Burke?
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And he didn't want to, you know, he's a different guy and all
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that kind of stuff, but you know very clearly he is a big believer
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in Jermaine Matthews, who is just going into his second year now. And
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you got a chance to talk to talk to some folks about Jermaine Matthews as
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well. Yeah, grabbed Jim Knowles and asked him basically, because my question
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is what happens if Denzel Burke or David Snigmnosen goes down. Because at times
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last year they would just move Jordan Hancock over. Now, when Nathan Ransom
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went down last year and Soundny Styles had to play strong safety, there was
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no other Nickels, so Jordan Hancock couldn't go, So they started Jermaine Matthews.
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They did that out of because they couldn't. They couldn't put Jordan Hncock
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there. So I asked him Mills, like, if that happens this year,
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is Jermaine Matthews able to go? He's like, oh, we did
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it last year. I'm like no, but if you can't, if you
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you're not moving. Jordan Hancock like, are you so confident in Jermaine Matthews
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that you don't need to move? Jordan Hancock's like, yeah, Jermaine is
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there now, He's he's to that point. So like I would in past
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years, like under Kerry Combs, he would be a third starter, like
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he would be part of the rotation. I don't think that's gonna happen here,
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but they are going to have to play more players. That's something else
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ask Knowles, like, have you guys talked about that, like among the
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status like we started to you know, it's still very early, but they
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know like they're gonna have to play players, and you're gonna you're gonna have
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to communit. Communicate that to the young guys that you're gonna play, Communicate
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that to the older guys like you're gonna we're gonna pull you out at times
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just because it is a long season, but yeah, I was. I
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was interested to find out a couple of things, and that is one of
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them. In terms of Jermaine Matthews, it's to the point now where it's
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not a it's not robbing Peter to pay Paulsy. You know, both guys
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have plenty of money and they can load it to you like we're all good
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here. I mean, I take a brief diversion from Denzel Burke. Just
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to transition off of the Leath and Ransom conversation, Leathan Ransom talked about the
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fact that he has a Liz Frank issue. That was the injury he suffered
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in his left foot. It's like that's like one of those like bones in
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the middle. I think Demetrius knocks when he broke his foot right at the
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end of the twenty eighteen Michigan game. I think that was the same thing.
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And he said, this is one of these things where you're told how
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long it's supposed to take, and much like his leg injury in the Rose
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Bowl, he was able to get back a lot sooner than expected. Credited
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trainer Adam Stewart, who's one of those this is another one of these names
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that I think average folks don't necessarily know. But it's one of those names
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that the people in the building talk about a lot, just in terms of
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training and rehab and you know, getting guys back, and when guys talk
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about you know, you know, I'm in the building basically twenty four to
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seven trying to get back from this for the Michigan game, the Bowl game,
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whatever it is. That's the guy they're working with. He's you know,
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he said, he basically started feeling more or less one hundred percent during
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winter workouts. I think they're going to be a little patient with him and
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work him back a little more gradually. But he is out there. He
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was not one of those names that you know, they said not gonna play.
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He was out there having a safety like him, having a safety like
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Caleb downs back. Uh. George Denzel Burke was asked about that. He
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said, let me find it. Oh, he's gonna be able to jump
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a lot more routes knowing that they have your back. I mean, having
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that safety, having that eraser behind you lets you play more aggressively as a
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corner, which you know, I think when you look at the fact that
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Ohio State has not necessarily produced as many interceptions as many turnovers. The last
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couple of years, as you might have expected, safety play has been,
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you know, inconsistent. Let's say, at times, if you know you've
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got someone like Caleb Downs behind you, you can be a little more aggressive
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and that can pay off in a lot of different ways. And Jordan Hancock
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talked a little bit about that as well, saying he wants more interceptions this
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year. He's planning to get more interceptions. He's setting the target right now
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at about five. He had a couple last year, dropped a couple,
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you know, so that is stuck with him. But yeah, if you've
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got somebody back there as at center fielder that you can trust and you know
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it's going to be back there, you can be a much more aggressive,
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and you can design things to be more aggressive. But the freedom that that
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gives the corners to not necessarily worry so much. And now get Bert once
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and you might get yanked. But I don't think you're going to see Jim
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Knowles because I think they've kind of played passive a little bit last year.
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Just let's cool up on the sixty yard gains. Let's just let's keep stuff
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in front of us. Maybe now they can continue to edge out into the
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more aggressive silver bullet type of defense that a lot of people want to see.
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Well, and I heard a couple of people today talk about being a
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little more diverse in some of the scheme stuff they're going to do. And
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we heard that, I think on we heard that from someone I think on
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Monday this week as well. You know, this is the advantage of Okay,
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you have veteran guys, so they know, you know, you don't
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need to go back to square one with here's okay, here's how we will
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line up. You've got that it's year three in this gym Noles defense,
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so you know he has talked about sort of unpacking that toolbox and taking out
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a few more tools it. You know, it's very easy to say that
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this time of year. We'll see what it looks like come October in November,
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but it feels like logically they should be able to be more diverse on
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defense and more aggressive. Well, I don't know, if you're over there
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over here with Jim Knowles, when he was talking about what they can do,
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He's like, you know, and if you get hero canoe, maybe
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we could put we can plug that in and go with a double league all
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I'm like, then He's like, yeah, you know, get a five
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man front, bare front. We can you know, Jack Sawyer and I'm
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trying to teach Jack Sawyer and J. T. T too moloas some outside
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linebacker stuff so that they can put those two guys with some defensive tackles,
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you know, like a five man front. And really just he said,
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it's about finding me the best eleven. So if you've got five guys like
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that front, that are the best eleven. And then he did clarify like
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we're still four to five, yes, but you've got to be multiple and
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then four two five with the quote, you know Sonny Styles as part of
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that linebacker crew a four one and a half five and a half. Yeah,
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and so there's obviously that versatility that that he has. They can do
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different things there. So yeah, when you've when everybody's coming back, you've
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got to then find ways to utilize them, which he also talked about uh
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several times three linebackers and including c J. Hicks and Sunny Styles in the
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same same alignment with Cody Simon game powers, as he said he may have
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been the most improved linebacker defensive player last year from the course of like now
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till the end of the season, and so he's another guy that could factor
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in as that fourth linebacker. One of the fun things about spring is there's
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a little bit of overlap of the last year guys and the this year guys.
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So, for example, Stool Chambers, who graduated off the NFELL,
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was actually here in the building today just kind of doing some workout stuff.
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And you know, so you'll still see some guys who's like, wait a
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minute, you don't you don't work here anymore, but you don't even go
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here. He he was here today and he actually had you know, classic
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Steel Chambers. We always talking about him as one of the best interviews,
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always want to always you know, it was always kind of like, I'll
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go do that table. I'll go I'll go talk to Steele. You guys
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can do who talk to whoever. He had a great question for Cody Simon.
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He sat down and said, you know, I saw Cody, you
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have a green dot helmet. What is that? What is that like?
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Because remember they are bringing in the helmet radios like the NFL has, and
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so Cody Simon was talking about that a little bit, said you know,
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it's it was a little loud. Today they're still like they're still very much
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figuring this out. And you know, he was saying like, oh,
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we don't have to signal anymore, Like, well, I don't know,
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I don't know if we know if we're going to signal anymore. It just
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this is very very much a you know, the first day you just got
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your you know, you just got your first uh whatever iPhone or laptop or
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whatever, and you're still like they're still in the like, oh, I've
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got to update the software, I've got to go whatever. But it's you
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know, this is this is the time of year when take take all the
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time you need to figure out, Hey, how much do I need to
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communicate? When do I need to communicate, What do I need to communicate?
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How do I then communicate to the other people. Because at one point
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during practice I saw Ryan Day standing right next to the quarterbacks and you know
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they were then he was like talking to the quarterbacks, and then the quarterbacks
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were talking to the guys in the huddle. So I think it was kind
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of a you know, dry run sort of thing for some of the young
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quarterbacks there as well. That's going to be in a year filled with a
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million different changes in college football, that feels like one that we probably need
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to be talking about more. Yeah, and when you mentioned this before the
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show, I was like, shoot, nobody none of us asked Jim Knowalls
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about that had been a great opportunity. Why are we not as good at
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our jobs? Why steel Chambers better at our jobs than we are? That's
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my question. So frustrating, But there, I mean, this is also
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our first time to talk to you knows. I'm just am I making excuses.
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Yes, the newness of it now they've talked about there will still be
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some signals, like for you know, uptemp by, when you're doing things
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quickly, you're still gonna have to have signals. Do totally off topic,
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but not really. Do you remember your first radio that you ever got,
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like your very first own personal radio? I do, yes, And what
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was it? It was like a little clock radio thing that my fondest memory
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of listening to the clock radio was either listening to We didn't have cable,
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so I would listen to the Rangers and Knicks games on the or the Mets
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games if they were not on Channel nine on the radio. W fa N
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Sports Radio six sixty AM out of New York for sports radio station in the
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country. That and also listening to the little local radio station on mornings when
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it had snowed to find out if I had school or headed two hour delay
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or what the deal was? What about? What about you? This feels
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like this is setting up with great Tony Gurderman's Now it's not a great story.
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It's just I do remember my first radio. It would have been like
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nineteen eighty two or something. So you can google this, just a little
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smurf Am radio and just put like google smurf Am Radio nineteen eighty two or
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something like that, and it's just the little smurfhead blue man. I think
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it's like at wrist, you know. And I'll tell you what. Back
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then, there's no difference between AM and F'M radio and all had the same
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music. So it was pretty cool, all right. So I told you
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wasn't a good story with that. I'm just curious after that diversion. I
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think I've hit most of my diversion. I think I've hit most of my
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most of my Denzel Burke quotes. The only one that I wanted to hit
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on was he was asked about will Howard transfer quarterback, and he kind of
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said, like, well, it's only been two practices, you know,
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I kind of want to say more, but and that's like, yeah,
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I mean it's too it's been two practices, but he's not going to gas
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anyone off ifits you know. So that's and you know, it's been two
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practices. You don't know the off yet. It's fine, that's not that's
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not a problem yet. But that's another one of those like I kind of
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want to talk to Denzel Burke again in two weeks and see if we have
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the Jermaine Smith change of tone that you mentioned earlier. Well, and you
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said earlier how some guys will just run through names, and so we're talking
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to Jordan Hancock and I'm like, it's probably too early, but do you
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want to do you have any assessment for the slot receivers. It's like,
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oh, yeah, they're all good. You know, you got you got
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you know, Bryston Rodgers is good, Brandon Innes is good, you know,
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Kean Gray has kind of been going back and forth. He's good,
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of course, mech you know, he's good. And so like the the
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the example of everybody's good versus I need to see it. Yeah, you
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know, but you know, and Jordan Hancock could say, I've seen all
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of those guys last year, so he knows what's what's happening. But it
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is very early, and we get ushered out right before the seven on seven
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stuff starts, right before the eleven on eleven stuff starts. But we will
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eventually get to see some of it, and we'll see, uh, we'll
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see if Denzel Burke is lying to us about some people. I suspect he
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is one of those people that I think I would take his word as closer
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to Gospel than just about anyone else in the building, just because it's like,
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need I need you to tell me something that is not great, Because
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this is the time of the year. This is the time of year when
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it's like, you know, it's spring frameing and baseball, it's spring football.
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Everything's great. Everyone's in the best shape of their life. Everyone,
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you know, everyone who has gained ten pounds has gotten so much stronger,
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everyone who has lost ten pounds has gotten so much faster. It's all good.
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All the news is good. Everyone is gonna be back for the season.
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No one has no one has a serious injury. Everything's wonderful. Everyone's
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going to go undefeated this year. When you have someone who is willing to
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shoot you straight on some of that stuff, that's that is incredibly valuable.
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I'm just I keep talking and I keep thinking. I hope that the nice
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things that we're saying about denzil Burke is not calling Denzel Burke to not get
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invited out to talk to us anymore. I hope he's he's I think a
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respected veteran voice on the team, and I think people know he's gonna you
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know, he's It's not disrespectful, it's just honest. Yeah. Well,
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and the first time I remember, the first time we ever talked to denziel
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Burke as a true freshman, I like walked away like that is a mature
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guy. And it's I guess at that point it shouldn't have been any secret
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that he was able to win a starting job. Now. The talent level
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here now is much higher than when he arrived. Jordan Hancock talked about that
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as well. But he has always been a very serious guy, even as
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a true freshman. It's just very matter of fact, like, you know,
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there's no hope for you, no wishery. It's just like this,
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this, this, and it reminded me back then of talking to Bradley Roby,
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who was, you know, my plans to retrod as a freshman start
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for two years, go to the NFL as the first round. You know,
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it's like and Denzel Burg has this you know, plan, plan,
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plan. Sometimes things happen where you're like, well it just I adjusted my
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plan, but I'll also benefit greatly from it, you know, get more
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money, that sort of thing. Bigger and faster. Jordan Hancock has added
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weight with you know, I wrote about that this morning. Terms I went
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through the minutia of the roster, and I think that the team has gained
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thirteen inches in height and one hundred and thirty pounds something like that. But
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also Jordan Hancock has put on like ten pounds to be able to handle the
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full time aspect of him playing nickel, because last year he wasn't full time
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until like the last five games of the season when Laythan Rantsm was out.
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Prior to that, he was and on passing down. So he's he's bigger
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and stronger and also trying to maintain that same speed agility. All right,
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So that's that we'll wrap it up for Day two of spring ball. Another
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very interesting day here inside the Woody Haes Athletic Center. Really really good interviews.
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I mean, it's this is I you know, it's spring everyone should
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be excited, but it's like it's genuinely exciting and interesting to be in here.
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There's so many interesting players to see, so many interesting guys talk to.
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Well, we'll wrap this up with the what happened after practice as we're
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in here for interviews that I always feel like, so that's always some of
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the most interesting stuff because that was the last year we would always see Marvin
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Harrison in here on the Monarch machine. Every single day you'd see Marvin Harrison
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and here on the Monarch machine after practice today on the Monarch machine. Carnel
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Tate, Brandon Innis, coach, o Waantweet, and Jayden Ballard. That's
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just one of those. Next time we're in here, let's see who's on
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the Monarch machine. It's interesting, Tony, how all the really good receivers
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seem to be also the ones who worked the hardest. It's real weird how
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that happens. Also got to see at one point Caden McDonald, the second
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year defensive tackle, was working with erk Mensa, the first year defensive tackle,
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and I tweeted out a picture also of j T. Twemloau working with
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Edward Houston just on this is all like real minor stuff. It's just like
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little footwork stuff or whatever. But that's the stuff where you know we talk
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all the time. But the culture in the wide receiver room or the culture
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in the defensive line room, this is where the culture gets passed down because
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you know, there was there was someone out there a few years ago helping
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j T. Twomolo know JJG j T Twumolo is helping Edric Houston, and
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in a couple of years Edrid Houston will be helping someone else. Yeah.
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I saw Lincoln Kenol's doing that Tuesday with Julian saying just helping through a drill,
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saying, just preparing him for what what is going to be happening.
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So yeah, I mean it's nobody can get through this on their own.
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They've all had somebody help them. And this is part of the paying it
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forward aspect, Kevin. So that'll do it for today. I hope you
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guys enjoyed that. A little bit of a little bit of this, a
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little bit of that, but a lot of interesting stuff. We're going to
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have all of these interviews uploaded in their entirety at YouTube dot com slash bucke
23:18
Huddle a little later on if they're not already up there. It should be
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a lot of a good stuff. The Denzel Birk one I made, I
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delayed the start of the live show to put the Denzel work one up already
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so you can watch the Denzel Burk one. The Natty or Bus quote comes
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about six minutes into that, but the entire thing is worth worth watching,
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worth listening to. We'll probably do some morning shows featuring some of those clips
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in the coming days as well, because I know you guys generally generally like
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those shows, and where we've got a lot of guys we talked to this
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week and a lot of a lot of new stuff to share with you.
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So where when we're when we are doing all that sharing, we'll be doing
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that at YouTube dot com, slash bucket Huddle, and of course at bucket
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huddle dot com. That's where Tony Kevin and I cover the team, Mark
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covers recruiting. There's some recruiting news potentially bubbling as well, and had some
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couple of recruits in for practice on Thursday, and then got our whole team
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of x's and those guys making you a smarter football fan all at Buckey Huddle
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dot com. We hope to see you there. That'll do it for today.
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Thank you guys all for joining us. Have a great day. We'll
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talk to you tomorrow