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Day 2 of the MoU · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: Day two of MLU Debate. Land and I have asked
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  Speaker 1: Matt Continetty to come in today. Matt, of course Wall
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  Speaker 1: Street Journal columnists. He is a senior fellow over at
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  Speaker 1: the American Enterprises too, one of our regular guests on Friday,
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  Speaker 1: and we'd like to get him midweek as well. Matt,
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  Speaker 1: when you go on to the commentary podcast, John Podhortz
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  Speaker 1: might well pull up the citation to a nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 1: one obscure Broadway show I Hate Hamlet know about the
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  Speaker 1: lead and haven't have something to bring to the table.
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  Speaker 1: All I've got is the Marvel Verse. Are you a
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  Speaker 1: comics book fan? Do you know that at all?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I know something about Marvel comics.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, all right, So Stanley and Jack Kirby came up
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  Speaker 1: with the Watcher EWA who I believe his name was,
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  Speaker 1: would just watch and not past judgment, not intervene. So
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  Speaker 1: that's what I want you to assess. Assume that persona
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  Speaker 1: of the Watcher. What do you see happening around the
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  Speaker 1: MoU that hasn't been released.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks to you?
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  Speaker 3: I see a few things happening. The first thing I
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  Speaker 3: see happening is that the Iran propaganda machine, in its
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  Speaker 3: echo chamber in the West, is at full throttle, painting
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  Speaker 3: this MoU as a total defeat of the United States
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  Speaker 3: and a victory for the Islamic Republic of Iran, which
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  Speaker 3: propaganda claims is now stronger than ever. The second thing
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  Speaker 3: I see is the administration trying to combat that narrative,
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  Speaker 3: but without disclosing much of the details of this agreement
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  Speaker 3: which will purportedly be signed on Friday in Europe. And
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  Speaker 3: so we're kind of left in this vortex of Iranian
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  Speaker 3: claims powered by not only social media but also the
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  Speaker 3: mainstream media, which was against the war from the beginning,
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  Speaker 3: and the Democratic Party, which is against anything that Donald
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  Speaker 3: Trump touches with. Really, President Trump and JD vance out
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  Speaker 3: there almost on their own saying that what you're hearing
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  Speaker 3: from Iranian propaganda is not the truth. The rest of us, though,
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  Speaker 3: need to see the actual details and find out and
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  Speaker 3: so far as we speak today on Tuesday afternoon, the
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  Speaker 3: actual document has not been released.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So let's deal with a third tributary into
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  Speaker 1: that stream of commentary, the propagandas the Democrats who don't
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  Speaker 1: like Trump, there are also the Obama IDEs who want
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  Speaker 1: to rehabilitate the JGPOA, And I think that's the easiest
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  Speaker 1: thing to knock down. The JGPOA was a detailed map
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  Speaker 1: to a nuclear weapon, a fast car to get there,
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  Speaker 1: and billion dollars for the road trip. Donald Trump's conduct
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  Speaker 1: over the last five months blew up the car, burned
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  Speaker 1: up the map, blew up the fighter plane that was
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  Speaker 1: waiting at the end of the map to take the
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  Speaker 1: Iranians on their way with the nuke, and it set
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  Speaker 1: them back to ground zero. Is there any merit at
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  Speaker 1: all in your view? And of course you might disagree
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  Speaker 1: with me that the JCBOA cannot possibly be better than
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  Speaker 1: where we are right now.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the GCUPOA was a terrible deal. Iran is much
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  Speaker 3: weaker than it was when the JCPOA was signed in
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  Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, But I would say that I'm not even
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  Speaker 3: sure this memorandum of understanding gets us to anything like
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  Speaker 3: a nuclear deal. From what I can glean behind the propaganda,
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  Speaker 3: from what the Administration is discussing from other reporting, it
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  Speaker 3: seems as if this agreement is that the United States
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  Speaker 3: will drop its blockade of Iranian ports in exchange for
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  Speaker 3: Iran opening up the Strait without tolls, and then the
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  Speaker 3: sixty days ceasefire will be extended for another sixty days,
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  Speaker 3: during which we will discuss a potential nuclear deal. I
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  Speaker 3: have to say that I am extremely skeptical, as I
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  Speaker 3: think most rational people are, that the Iranians will ever
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  Speaker 3: agree to give up their nuclear program. And so what
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  Speaker 3: I see this agreement doing is relieving the economic and
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  Speaker 3: political pressure from the administration that arose when Iran began
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  Speaker 3: its closure of the strait and we began our retaliatory embargo.
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  Speaker 3: It gets us out of that problem, But the larger
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  Speaker 3: problem of Iran's nuclear program, I think will remain unsettled
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  Speaker 3: for a while yet to come.
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  Speaker 1: So let's talk about why so many of the people
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  Speaker 1: who supported the war and seventy percent of the Republican
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  Speaker 1: Party and Republican leaning respondence to Pew said they supported
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  Speaker 1: Trump when he started the war, had a favorable review
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  Speaker 1: of Iran. You wrote the book The Right, The one
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  Speaker 1: hundred Year War for American Conservatism. I think defending Israel
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  Speaker 1: figures prominently today, though it might not have been in
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  Speaker 1: the original foundation of the right, but that President Trump
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  Speaker 1: may not have known how very, very touchy the right
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  Speaker 1: is about Israel. Do you think there's a blind spot there.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: I think President Trump understands the importance of Israel to
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  Speaker 3: the conservative populist coalition. That's why he was pro Israel
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  Speaker 3: from the get go. That's why he said when he
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  Speaker 3: became a candidate in twenty fifteen that he would deny
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  Speaker 3: Iran a nuclear weapon. Why he went to Apak the
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  Speaker 3: following spring and gave a tremendously pro Israel speech. Why
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  Speaker 3: he's supported the Abraham Accords, Israeli sovereignty over the Golan,
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  Speaker 3: Operation Midnight Hammer, Operation Epic Fury, the deal that released
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  Speaker 3: the hostages in Gaza. And he understands, and so I
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  Speaker 3: think he's aware that a deal that gave Iran everything
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  Speaker 3: it wanted, that was sanctions, relief, in cash upfront, in
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  Speaker 3: exchange for vague nuclear promises would break the Republican coalition,
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  Speaker 3: not just because so many Republicans care passionately about the
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  Speaker 3: defense of Israel, but because Republicans care about the defense
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  Speaker 3: of the United States of America. And there's no doubt
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  Speaker 3: that Iran poses a threat to the United States of
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  Speaker 3: America and its support for terrorism and its funding of
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  Speaker 3: terrorist proxies that have killed Americans, and in a nuclear
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  Speaker 3: program and missile program that eventually could reach the United States,
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  Speaker 3: but could certainly reach our allies not just in the
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  Speaker 3: Middle East, but in Europe as well. So that's again
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  Speaker 3: why I'm skeptical that this bridging document, which it seems
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  Speaker 3: to me to be, would actually lead to an Iranian
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  Speaker 3: nuclear deal. Now, it could well be that the Iranians
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  Speaker 3: are going to say, sure, yes, in exchange for all
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  Speaker 3: these promises, you're making a financial aid, we do agree
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  Speaker 3: to the complete and verifiable dismantling of our nuclear program.
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  Speaker 3: But I seriously doubt it. And here's what I like
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  Speaker 3: in our current moment too, Hugh. The document that's being
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  Speaker 3: described sounds to me a lot like the document that
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  Speaker 3: was presented to the Palestinians in the first term, where
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  Speaker 3: Trump said, look, if you make peace with Israel's stop
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  Speaker 3: trying to destroy Israel, We're going to build all these
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  Speaker 3: wonderful things for you, and all the money will flow.
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  Speaker 1: In.
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  Speaker 3: The document that's being described now about Iran reminds me
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the document and PowerPoint presentation that Trump
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  Speaker 3: gave to Kim Jong un in the first term, where
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  Speaker 3: he said, look, Kim, if you give up your nuclear program,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to build resorts on the coastline of North Korea.
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  Speaker 3: In both cases, once the tatulitarian adversaries revealed that they
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  Speaker 3: had no interest whatsoever in giving up their ideological demands,
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  Speaker 3: El Trump walked away and went and did something else.
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  Speaker 3: And I expect we'll have something similar happened this time.
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  Speaker 3: Perhaps we'll have an extended ceasefire that then is extended
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  Speaker 3: again and again through the midterm elections. But at the
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  Speaker 3: end of the day, I still believe President Trump is
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  Speaker 3: a backstop to creating a path for Iran to rebuild
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  Speaker 3: militarily and to rebuild the nuclear infrastructure that President Trump
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  Speaker 3: and Prime Minister net and Yahu have destroyed.
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  Speaker 1: So many of our friends and colleagues who have been
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  Speaker 1: open about supporting Donald Trump throughout much of his presidency
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  Speaker 1: even when we don't like something. Have just really come
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  Speaker 1: out very strongly against this deal, including all of our
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  Speaker 1: friends at Commentary or colleagues over at Commentary, but no
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  Speaker 1: one has been more piercing than Ben Dominich, who you
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  Speaker 1: share fridays with. Let me played for you Ben last
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  Speaker 1: night on Brett Baar's show, cut number two. We don't
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  Speaker 1: have that ready yet. All right, I will simply tell you,
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  Speaker 1: Matt he said, I heard it, Okay, he does not
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  Speaker 1: want a hill billy Obama. That's pretty devastating. What do
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  Speaker 1: you make of that?
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was a very strong argument by Ben
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  Speaker 3: on Special Report, and it was interesting to see that
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  Speaker 3: it got quite a bit of positive reaction on the
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  Speaker 3: social media accounts afterward. I think what Ben was surfacing
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  Speaker 3: is the ongoing foreign policy debate in the Republican Party
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  Speaker 3: and with the Trump coalition. And I also think that
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  Speaker 3: he understands that Vice President Vance really is the point
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  Speaker 3: man on this diplomatic track with the Islamic Republic of Iran.
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  Speaker 3: In many ways, it's almost an audition for the Vice president's,
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  Speaker 3: you know, expected presidential campaign in twenty twenty eight. And
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I want that to be the case.
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  Speaker 3: If I'm running for president, do I really want to
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  Speaker 3: tie my political fortunes to the decisions of a radical
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  Speaker 3: jihadist government that does not have any interest in mind
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  Speaker 3: other than extending its influence throughout the Middle East and
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  Speaker 3: ultimately waging war against the Little State in Israel and
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  Speaker 3: the Great State in the United States. So I think
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  Speaker 3: then laid out the stakes very well. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: we've adopted the hill Billy Obama policy, and I think
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  Speaker 3: the Republican Party will reject one in the end.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, I agree what was elegant about it? And
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  Speaker 1: the death description that devas page and sticks like tricky
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  Speaker 1: dick niction Jill Billy Obama. If one of those are
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  Speaker 1: like low energy Jeb, it's one of those descriptions that
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  Speaker 1: it's ketilli, o'mark. I'll be right back with Matt Continenty.
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  Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere America. A lot more to talk about
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  Speaker 1: those back America. I'm here with Matt Cotton, Eddy of
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  Speaker 1: the AEI and the Wall Street Journal. Free expression vertical. Matt,
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  Speaker 1: have you ever read The White Fortress about Norwegian Vermont
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  Speaker 1: heavy water facility that Churchill spared no expense or effort
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  Speaker 1: or lives to destroy because it was Hitler's path atomic weapon.
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  Speaker 3: I have missed that one, Hugh. It's one of many
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  Speaker 3: books you have read, and I have a lot of
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  Speaker 3: summer reading to do. You.
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  Speaker 1: I recommend the White Fortress because they did everything they
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  Speaker 1: had to do to destroy it in order to keep
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  Speaker 1: Hitler from getting an atomic weapon. And I feel that way
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  Speaker 1: about Iran because I believe they will use it, and
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  Speaker 1: the president has said that. In Marco Rubio has said
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  Speaker 1: that do you believe that, Matt if they get the device,
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  Speaker 1: they will use it.
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  Speaker 3: There's no reason to believe they won't. They've given us
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  Speaker 3: every indication that they mean what they say. And this
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  Speaker 3: is true believers.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: That's the thing about true believers and fanatics is you
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  Speaker 3: have to take them at their word. I think people
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  Speaker 3: dismissed Vladimir Putin for many years when he said he
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  Speaker 3: wanted to reconstruct the Soviet or Russian Empire, and then
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  Speaker 3: he had the direct invasion of Ukraine in twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 3: I think many people thought that Hamas was contained in Gaza,
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  Speaker 3: and sure it continued with its genocidal fantasies, but every
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  Speaker 3: so often Israel could go in and mow the lawns,
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  Speaker 3: so to speak, and everything would be fine. Instead we
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  Speaker 3: had October seventh, So we must act. I think under
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  Speaker 3: the presumption that if Iran were to obtain a nuclear
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  Speaker 3: weapon and have a missile that it could attach that
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  Speaker 3: weapon too, it would use it. And so that is
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  Speaker 3: why Operation Epic Fury and Operation Midnight Hammer were necessary,
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  Speaker 3: and that's why I'm glad they succeeded.
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  Speaker 1: We agree on that. I wish people would begin with
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  Speaker 1: that rather than the Tokyo Rose talking points from Iran,
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  Speaker 1: but we've covered that. Elliot Cohen, I have a great
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  Speaker 1: deal of respect for you.
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  Speaker 2: You never trumper.
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  Speaker 1: He sat down with Aaron McClain on the School of
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  Speaker 1: War yesterday and he said, look, I need more humility.
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  Speaker 1: Never Trumpers need more humility. But then he went on
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  Speaker 1: to dismiss Woodcoffin, Kushners real estate developers and transaction driven.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not so quick to dismiss these people who are
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  Speaker 1: transaction driven in real estate developers. I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: means they're going to do a bad deal. I also
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  Speaker 1: think though they're used to maybe deals that need to
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  Speaker 1: be worked out over two months and four months and
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  Speaker 1: six months, as opposed to in the timeframe we've had.
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  Speaker 1: How much of the problem here is that it's Vance, Woodcoffin,
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  Speaker 1: Kushner and not Ruby, o Hegseeth and Ratcliffe doing the selling.
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  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 3: I think the President went with the Hawks at the
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  Speaker 3: beginning of this year and was convinced I believe that
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  Speaker 3: Iran's missile production was reaching the point where America had
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  Speaker 3: to intervene. It just so happened that intelligence coincided with
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  Speaker 3: the uprising in Iran, and that's why we got Operation
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  Speaker 3: Epic Fury. But because of the closure of the Strait
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  Speaker 3: of Hormuz and the economic and political fallout from the war,
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  Speaker 3: it now seems that the negotiators are in charge, and
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  Speaker 3: that's Vice President Vance, Jared Kushner, and Steve Wikoff. And
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  Speaker 3: what I would say is, rather than thinking of this
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  Speaker 3: MoU as a nuclear deal, which I don't believe it is,
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  Speaker 3: I believe it's opening more room to talk about nuclear
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  Speaker 3: I think of it as a hostage deal. And in
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  Speaker 3: this sense, Trump is in the long line of American
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  Speaker 3: presidents who are paying economic benefits to Iran in exchange
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  Speaker 3: for hostages. In this case, the hostage is a strait
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  Speaker 3: of Hormuz, and so I look at this deal similarly
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  Speaker 3: to the deal that created the ceasefire in Gaza, where
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  Speaker 3: there was, of course the use of force. The spear
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  Speaker 3: was the IDF and the offensive in Gaza City, But
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  Speaker 3: nonetheless there was a deal reached where a cold in
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  Speaker 3: the Middle Eastern Powers working with the United States, pressured
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  Speaker 3: Hamas to release all of the hostages, living and dead,
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  Speaker 3: and to have a ceasefire. And even though Hamas has
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  Speaker 3: disregarded that deals measures to disarm, and even though Hamas
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  Speaker 3: continues to rule about forty percent of the Gaza strip,
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  Speaker 3: the immediate problem that was besetting the region and of
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  Speaker 3: course bedeviling the state of Israel, which was the hostage crisis,
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  Speaker 3: that was solved. And so I think of what's happening
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  Speaker 3: right now through the same lens, the Iran nuclear program.
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  Speaker 3: The Iran nuclear programs buried under rubble, but the Iranian
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  Speaker 3: regime remains. But the immediate problem facing Trump was the
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  Speaker 3: Strait of Hormuz. And if this goes through, that problem
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  Speaker 3: will be solved.
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  Speaker 2: It won't other.
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  Speaker 1: Problem will remain well around still there. But let's extend
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  Speaker 1: the hostage analogy. When someone's got hostages in a building
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  Speaker 1: or a bus or a plane. The area is surrounded
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  Speaker 1: and flooded with people who might help in the hostage rescue.
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  Speaker 1: Is this the opportunity for NATO to step in where
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  Speaker 1: they have not been, start running their destroyers through the strait,
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  Speaker 1: get back in the game, get back on the team.
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  Speaker 1: Because m Chrome seemed to sound like that, and if
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  Speaker 1: that happens, that would be a good thing. Is this
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  Speaker 1: opening for them to help us with the hostage release.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad you raised that, Hugh, because even though this
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  Speaker 3: agreement is being denounced from what seems like every quarter
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  Speaker 3: in the United States, there are two audiences that really
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  Speaker 3: like it. The first audience is the markets, not just stocks.
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  Speaker 3: Brent crude is now below eighty dollars I checked before going.
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  Speaker 1: On seventy five half right now. Yeah, that's incredible.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's incredible, and that's going to have huge
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  Speaker 3: economic gains for the United States and the world. And
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  Speaker 3: the second audience that's really happy about this deal, the Europeans.
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  Speaker 3: The G seven leaders when they greeted President Trump were
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  Speaker 3: very welcoming of this deal, and so you're exactly right
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  Speaker 3: now they need to act. They said when the conflict
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  Speaker 3: began that they would be ready to help with passage
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  Speaker 3: through the Strait of Hormuz once the firing stopped. If
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  Speaker 3: this MoU goes through at the end of the week
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  Speaker 3: and the firing truly does stop, then it's incumbent upon
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  Speaker 3: the Europeans to make good on their promises and to
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  Speaker 3: maintain passage through the Strait while we continue to pursue
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  Speaker 3: a diplomatic track that I don't believe will be successful,
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  Speaker 3: but that the President seems committed to, at least in
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  Speaker 3: the medium term.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know who really hates it, though, Matt let's
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  Speaker 1: finish here. Biby Netanna, who really hates it. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: all of Israel really hates it, and those who really
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  Speaker 1: hated who are anti BB are using it to beat
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  Speaker 1: BB around the ears. Is Bib Natanya, who now on
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  Speaker 1: the Churchill arc. I mean, he led the country through
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  Speaker 1: a war. It's in a much better security position than
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  Speaker 1: it was. Is he going to be turned out because
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  Speaker 1: of this deal?
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  Speaker 3: There's a potential he is a Churchillian figure in my view,
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  Speaker 3: and Churchill's reminder that all political careers and contain failures.
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  Speaker 3: I would say this, I think Israel has the right
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  Speaker 3: to be worried about the deal for the one part
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  Speaker 3: that really concerns me, and that is the linkage between
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  Speaker 3: the war in Lebanon and the war in the Strait.
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  Speaker 3: The fact is, for whatever reason, our negotiators have bought
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  Speaker 3: into the Iranian line that somehow Iran can't open up
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  Speaker 3: the Strait of Hormuz unless Israel stops its operations against
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  Speaker 3: the terrorist organization has blowed that linkage. I think is
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  Speaker 3: very damaging and Israelis are right to be concerned about it.
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  Speaker 3: We cannot allow Iranians to have a veto over Israel's
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  Speaker 3: right to self defense, and no country would tolerate the
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  Speaker 3: missiles raining down on the north of Israel from Hesbela
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  Speaker 3: and its strongholds in Lebanon. So I think it does
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  Speaker 3: present a political challenge to Ned and Yahoo, and he
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  Speaker 3: needs to make sure that it does not prevent him
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  Speaker 3: from re establishing de terrence against a Hesbela, which is
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  Speaker 3: much weaker than it was but still has this drone
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  Speaker 3: capacity which all democracies need to begin preparing countermeasures to address.
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  Speaker 1: I hope Matt, we have an MoU to this guys
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  Speaker 1: come Friday. I appreciate your appearance today to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: You're very calm, and a lot of people who are
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  Speaker 1: talking about it are not that way. And I appreciate
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  Speaker 1: Matt Conteney from the Law Creek Journal and the American
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  Speaker 1: Enterprises to follow him on x at CONTINENTI I'll be
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  Speaker 1: right back to America. A Lilac state took a.
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  Speaker 2: Sun a nuclear science.
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  Speaker 4: I love about classes.
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  Speaker 3: I had a crazy teacher.
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  Speaker 1: You wear Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewittt joined
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  Speaker 1: now by Lilacs in Jailjames Lilac and James Lilac dot
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  Speaker 1: substack dot com. James the MoU, the invisible MoU that
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  Speaker 1: we haven't seen, has triggered a thousand chips of commentary.
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  Speaker 1: Given that most of that commentary is based on the
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  Speaker 1: equivalent of Tokyo Rose commentaries, what do you make of
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: the explosion of commentary.
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  Speaker 2: Tokyo Rose or Lord Hawhaw We have our choice.
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  Speaker 5: The commentary is probably coming from the same position for myself,
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: people plugging pre existing views into something that they don't
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  Speaker 5: know the exact particulars of.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know anything. We'll find out, but what I
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: understand is I don't like it. I don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: And again, I'm a guy sitting in Minnesota.
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  Speaker 5: What do I know?
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  Speaker 2: What do I care? But I don't like it.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Because the whole idea that we had when this thing
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: began was this was the end of the regime, that
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: that was the endpoint here and finally, finally something had
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: been done. If you had said at the beginning of that, well,
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: we're going to degrade them significantly, We're going to hammer
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: them around a lot, to destroy their industrial capacity, make
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: sure a lot of their own to ground cities are
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  Speaker 5: inaccessible for a little while.
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  Speaker 2: But at the end of it, there will still be
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  Speaker 2: the guys.
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  Speaker 5: With the sticks who jump out of cars and beat
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  Speaker 5: women because they're showing their hair.
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  Speaker 2: Well, no, that's that's that's not it. That's not what
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  Speaker 2: we were expecting.
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  Speaker 5: And if that's the end result, then it feels like
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  Speaker 5: a failure now, a broad failure all the way across. No,
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: obviously not obviously your on set back great, But again
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: and again and again and again we have Iran setback,
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  Speaker 5: and we have remaining in place the instruments that use
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  Speaker 5: the money that they get out of the oil and
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: spend it on some very very bad things like giving
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: it the hands for lot to range stuff down on Israel.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't think it's the point, you know, the
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  Speaker 5: administration to be criticizing Yaho for defending his country against
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: this organization bent to the killing of every Jew.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why I said, you know, let me play
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  Speaker 1: for you. One reaction that was particularly sharp, Ben Dominich
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: on Brett Baer special report last night, Cut number two.
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  Speaker 6: This president has been the I think he's been the
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  Speaker 6: best foreign policy president of my lifetime. I think that
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  Speaker 6: he's been incredibly bold. He has used American power to
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  Speaker 6: restore our sovereignty, to protect our interests, and to look
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  Speaker 6: out for the American people. And I think it was
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  Speaker 6: a gutsy call for him to go into Iran when
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  Speaker 6: he did. He didn't have to do it, but he
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: did it. He thought it was the right time. And
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  Speaker 6: I still think that that was the right decision. This
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  Speaker 6: deal and everything that we know about it, to the
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  Speaker 6: degree that it is being spun in public by this
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  Speaker 6: in behind the scenes by the administration, everything about this
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  Speaker 6: deal seems bad to me. It all seems bad. It
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: all seems like a setback. It doesn't seem like it
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  Speaker 6: meets any of the measures that the President actually put
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  Speaker 6: out there of his goals. When it came to this conflict,
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: and look, at some point this Republican Party needs to
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: decide which kind of foreign policy it's going to have.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: Is it going to be in America first foreign policy,
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: one that is bold, that uses American power in key
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  Speaker 6: moments decisively in order to affect what it wants to achieve.
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  Speaker 6: Or are we going to just backslide into being some
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  Speaker 6: kind of hill billy Obama kind of GOP That is
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  Speaker 6: not something that is acceptable to me.
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  Speaker 1: For James Lylenx hill billy Obama. That the delivery of
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  Speaker 1: a devastating description. It stings and it sticks. It's like
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: low energy Jeb and tricky Dick Nixon. What'd you make
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  Speaker 1: of that?
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  Speaker 2: Not so sure? I mean, I agree with Ben was
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  Speaker 2: saying before, but I mean, I he'll billy.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think there's anything particularly hell billy ish about this,
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  Speaker 5: unless he wants to lay the entire thing at the
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  Speaker 5: feet of JD Events in his book. But I know
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  Speaker 5: it's a failure to do as he said what seemed
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  Speaker 5: to be and was explicitly stated as going to be
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  Speaker 5: the end result of all of this, which would have
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: been better for the United States, yes, better for ihalized, yes,
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: But also better for the attaining the moral high ground
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  Speaker 5: if you want the more high grow. As we used
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  Speaker 5: to say that we are opposed to regimes that behave
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  Speaker 5: like this and we're going to do something about them.
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  Speaker 5: So to leave them in place it seems to me
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  Speaker 5: to be not there's nothing hillbilly about it. Hill billy's attend,
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: hillbilly's stay and have feuds for generations. You know, we've
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: been plugging at the McConnell's over in the other hallar
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: for sixty years now.
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  Speaker 2: This is the opposite of people having a feud for generations.
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  Speaker 5: This is seemingly walking away for reasons that I don't
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  Speaker 5: quite understand.
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  Speaker 1: But again I think even more airing j D to Obama,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I think he was doing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, okay, fine, I.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: Mean it's a clever remark in the rest of it,
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  Speaker 5: But I don't see anything hillbillyish about this. I see
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  Speaker 5: what appears to be a failure of nerve and a
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: failure of will. But again I wait to see at
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: the end of the day, however, do they have the oil,
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  Speaker 5: do they have the money, do they rearm and can
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: they continue to do what they do in the region.
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  Speaker 2: They would be a safer place, if there was a
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  Speaker 2: non IRGC guy.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: A non Mulla, if there was somebody who wasn't devoted
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: to hastening the day when the twelfth Emom crawls out
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: of the well. We have been dealing with these people
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  Speaker 5: for so long and hoping for so long that the
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: regime would crack, sprint, splinter and fail, and I can't
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  Speaker 5: think of a time when it was more likely to happen,
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  Speaker 5: And now I can't think of the time.
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  Speaker 2: Worried will that as well.
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  Speaker 1: But now James is going to come back in an
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  Speaker 1: hour three and we're going to be lighthearted, So stay
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  Speaker 1: tuned through PO three. Now I know we just got
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: to do a little bit of fun as well in
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: a in a tense times don't go any for America.
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  Speaker 1: Lilax will be back in the meantime. James Lileys dot
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  Speaker 1: subsect dot com, Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh hew At
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  Speaker 1: that music means. We're joined by David Drucker, senior political
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: writer at The Dispatch. Follow him on exit. David M. Drucker, David,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: we don't know it's in the m ou. Many people
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  Speaker 1: suspect it's very bad. Some people say, wait, and see
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: other people suspective will never become a deal. I know
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: one thing, it isn't the j CPO A two point
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  Speaker 1: zero because the j CPU was the worst deal in history.
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  Speaker 1: It gave the Iranians a map to a nuclear weapon.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: It gave him a fast car to get there, and
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: billions of dollars for the road trip. Donald Trump blew
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: up the car, burned up the map, and there's and
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: he bought up the car factory. So there's just no
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: jcpoa comparison to be made agree or disagree.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know if we can agree or disagree because
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  Speaker 7: we haven't seen the text of this memorandum of understanding.
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  Speaker 2: They've left the.
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  Speaker 7: Thorniest parts to be negotiated later. Vice President Vance is
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: speaking so favorably of the IRGC that, if you know,
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  Speaker 7: if President Biden or President Obama were saying the same things,
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  Speaker 7: we'd all wonder how it is that an American president can.
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  Speaker 3: Be so naive.
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: And there's so much concern from hawkish Israeli and American
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: quarters about what we what has been reported, and the
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  Speaker 7: fact that there's still no text released by the administration,
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: and what's taking them so long since this thing has
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: been electronic signed and do to be further, you know,
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: sort of ingrained later this week that you know, I
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: just don't think that it's fair to say that this
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: isn't either the JCPOA or worse.
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  Speaker 2: We just simply don't know.
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  Speaker 7: And I think it's strange that the administration hasn't been
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: able to make a much better case because the case
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: Vice President of Vance is making and some of the
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: things that the President has said in Europe today regarding
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: Israel are are just just sorts of things that have
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: a democratic president and administration we're doing. Republicans would rightly
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: be super, super concerned.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you're not wrong about that, Ben Dominich last night
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: on Brettbaar's show, Cutting number three.
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  Speaker 6: Or we going to just backslide into being some kind
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: of hill billy Obama kind of goop.
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  Speaker 1: So that's pretty That's pretty tough, isn't it. David, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: very much so.
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  Speaker 7: And look, I think part of it go aheads.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I get the credit. I'm just saying, no matter
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: what's in the deal, if there is ever a deal,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: it can't be as bad as the JCPUA. Because Trump
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: blew up all the nuclear facilities and made the enriched
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: uranium useless to everyone. So we were not going there again.
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  Speaker 7: Well in theory, right, because look, I took the administration
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: at its word because it made sense to me that
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: Operation Midnight Hammer did enormous damage to the Iranian nuclear program.
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: But per the President and per the Israeli government, there
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: was such a concern about what Iran might do next
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: with its nuclear weapons capabilities that they felt the need
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: to launch a full scale war. I thought that there
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: was a great case to make for it. It's the
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: sort of thing I'm inclined to support. But we didn't
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: get to the material. We're still in the process, according
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: to as MoU, of negotiating what Iran is going to
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: do next, and if this stuff is just destroyed and
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: done that we don't need an MoU. Right, it's done,
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  Speaker 7: the threat is over, and on top of that, we're
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: giving them it appears sovereignty over the straight of four moves,
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: because part of the deal is you relinquish your blockade
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: and your military threat to the ships in the Strait.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: So again, so much we don't know.
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: I just think it's premature to say this can't be
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: a JCPOA or it can't be worse.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so, because they don't. They have to
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: go back to go and not pass two hundred and
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: not collecting it at all. They don't get to go
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: right around the board again. They have to start over
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: without any money, and the factories to build the missiles
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: are blown up. If I recall, the Israeli estimate was
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: between eighty and ninety percent of their defense industrial bases
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: blown up. So they might get some oil, they might
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: give us the straight back that is a deal.
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: And they're getting money from it. Appears we've ookayd money
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: from the UAE and that we're giving them saying relief,
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: and they were immediately this week okay to start selling
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: oil again. There's just there's so many moving parts here, Hugh.
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: And I think that if this, if this, if this
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: structure wasn't a better place, I think the Israeli government
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: would be would be on board with this thing and
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: not concerned and not boxed down.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: For that matter, there's a lot of I know there's
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of anger in Israel there and anyone who
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: likes to deal in israel I understand that. But I
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: still go back to the fact Faudor is no more.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: They can't go there. They can't get underneath it because
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: it's highly radioactive. Neither is Bisher, Neither is the other
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: one that s Sean. The one that isn't done is
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Pickaxe Mountain. Now, if they've got a ray of highly
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: enriched uranium down there in the super centrifuge of spinning,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: we're screwed because they could break out. But that's not
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: what anyone. Have you heard anyone say that at Pickaxe?
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: Well, no, I haven't heard anyone say that. I just
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: think that the way this was handled. Look, we believe
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: that regime chain was nest and we believe that we
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: needed to launch this invasion. Again, there was a great
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: case to make to do so, so I'm not critical
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: of the decision to go in necessarily, but it got
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: bogged down. The strait gets blocked, It causes a lot
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: of economic upheaval, and all of a sudden we're in
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: this you know, precarious ceasefire that's really not a ceasefire.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Iran is still sending drones and blowing things.
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: Up, you know, And we're in a position where clearly
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: we could do a lot more, but there's not the
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: political will in the United States among voters to do more.
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: And I think we were looking for a way to
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: get out, and that's what this appears to be. And
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: when you're looking for a way to get out, it's
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: not the kind of unconditional surrender. Look what we've accomplished
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: that the President talked about and that he was able
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: to legitimately crow about after Operation Midnight Hammer.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Agree, But I don't know that their political fallout isn't
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: because we didn't finish the war. I think it's because
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: the JD and the Vice President, Vance and Witkoff and
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Jed Kushner have not brought home unconditional surrender and that
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: seventy percent of Republicans were in favor of the war,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: and they're going to split the party if it's actually
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: what you think it is. That's why I don't think
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: it is what you're think it is, because that's a
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: political suicide. Last minute.
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: Well, on the other hand, I gets where you're coming from.
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: On the other hand, look, there's a lot of political
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: pressure that the president's under from Republicans because of higher
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: energy prices paused by the war, which gets into everything
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: not just the price of gas, but fertilizer and shifting
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: and airline tickets. Right and so they were looking I think,
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: you know, for a way to deal with that. So
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: there's all sorts of pressure here, and I get where
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: you're coming from. But look, I mean, I've seen politicians
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: make these sorts of stakes before.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: So we'll see if they did this because gas prices.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: It's an enormous mistake, an enormous mistake, but what it
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: is we don't know yet. So next week we'll talk more.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: David M. Drucker follow him on exit, David M. Druckcker,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: read him in the Dispatch, and I'll be right back
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: in America stake or we can.
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: Just backslide into being some kind of hillbilly Obama kind
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: of GP.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: More than Glory and even grace America. That was our
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: friend Ben Dominich on Special Report last night, giving his
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: commentary on the MoU to my next guest host of
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Special Report, Brett Beher. Brett, I rarely, you know, take
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: my head back and said, WHOA, what was that? And
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: that was the depth delivery of a devastating description and
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: it's going to leave it. Mark. Did it strike you
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: as such when you heard it?
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I almost went back at it, but I had
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: to keep going because I wanted to get to a
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: couple of other topics, but yeah, I did. It did
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: stop me in my tracks for a second. And he's
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: obviously expressing a lot of frustration about you know, what
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: we know and what we don't know, mostly what we
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: don't know about this memorandum of understanding with Iron and
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: you know, Vice President Vance can be out and about
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: on every show, including the adversarial shows like The View
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: saying all these things about what it's not and don't
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: believe the Iran propaganda. But until the president lives up
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: to what he said, which is standing in front of
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: reporters or I'd welcome them on special Report reading the
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: actual text of the memorandum of understanding, then we don't
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: know really what's in there, and if the reporting out
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: of the region and what's being leaked from Iran is
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: anywhere close to what it is. Mark Tison, Mark Levin,
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Lindsey Graham, not only them, but tons of others will
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: be very vocal.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there are a few of us in the wait
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: and see camp. Matt Contenenny and I were talking last
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: hour about I can't really critique what I don't and
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I doubt that they'll get a final deal after two months,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: and this is a way to get gas prices down
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: in advance the election. Blah blah blah. But there is
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: a real potential to split the GOP here. And I'm wondering,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: do you think, Brett Phar that the President, the Vice President,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: mister Whitcoff, and Jared Kushner understand the potential to split
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the GOP Because after the war began, it was a
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: seventy percent approval among Republicans and Republican leaners over what
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: the President did. Because the GOP has a deep muscle
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: memory of hating Iran, of hating the regime, not Iran,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: and this just strikes a lot of people the wrong way.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Do you think they know that.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: I think they know it, they hear it. I don't
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: know that they know how big a deal it is.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: You know, you start talking about opening this bigots for
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: money for Iran, allowing them to sell their oil at
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: high prices, getting lifting all of the sanctions, having this
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: Gulf Nations fund to help rebuild Iran with some three
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: hundred million dollars. That's real money that starts flowing right away.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: If it's all true that it flows right away, and
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: that we've seen before that Iron shifts money around and
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: suddenly the terrorist proxies in the region are much you know,
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: they're flush with cash, and it becomes the same problem,
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: which is why a lot of these golf nations would
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: like to see these specifics of the MU as well.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: You know, you Ae, I'm told, is pretty upset. They
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: think they went out on a limb and with attacks
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: inside Iran, and they're willing to continue those attacks with
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: her without the United States.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, and you A is.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Little Sparta and cut Her and Ua do not get along.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: And so there's a question there about our shooting allies
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: that's Israel and you a, everybody hates it among our
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: shooting allies, and I think people who support Israel strongly,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I'm among them, are also wondering if everybody in Israel
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: hates the deal, and I mean from the left wing
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: guy who's out there hoping to get five seats to
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: BB and Haredi. If everybody hates it, can it possibly
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: be a good deal?
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: Brett, Well, you know, we don't know what we don't know,
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: and you know, the Israeli has obviously come from a
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: specific point of view. They have an existential threat when
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: they look at Ron with any nuclear material and the
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: possibility to get to spin it up two weapons grade
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: at any time frame is an existential threat for them.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: And I think you know, UAE, after taking the brunt
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: of the missiles and drones, you know more than Israel,
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: I felt like this is the time to stand up.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: So if that deal is not you know, as good
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: as it's talked about, I think that's a real problem
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: for both of those countries.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: All right, Eric Erickson, I think it was Eric posted
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: today this is Donald Trump's Harriet Meyer's second term moment.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: What do you make of that analogy?
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know about you know, a Supreme Court
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: nominee that falls down immediately and a massive around piece
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: deal that you know is very complex and is going
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: to be negotiated over six months as a direct you know,
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: one to one comparison. But what in essence he's talking
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: about on thirty thousand feet is a big, big mistake
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: that will have repercussions.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: And that rebellion in the Republican Party. That's what Ed
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Meyers kicked.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: Off the one hundred percent, and I think the potential
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: is there to split the Republican Party, even the people
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: who are against the war seem to be against this
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: as it's described, so we'll have to wait and see
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: what's specifically in it. Listen, there's so much skepticism about
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Iran and their past history of negotiating. I mean, everything
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: is like Charlie Brown and Lucy in the football with
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: Iranians and yeah, we're going to do it, this is it,
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: and then suddenly it's not it.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Brad boy, this is it. My memory of Iran goes
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: back to the forty seven years with Richard Nixon and
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Ray Price watching the revolution in San Clementy and hating
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: on the regime for forty seven years. And I think
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: that's deep in the Republican Party for people who can remember,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: they remember Robert McFarlane in the cake, they remember the
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: JCPOA and we'll come to that in a second. I
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: don't know that the President, the Vice President, mister Whitcoff,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: mister Kushner, collectively have half of the GOP's memory of Iran,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: do you.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: I don't. At least they're not acting that way. Now.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: There's a chance, you know, hope springs eternal. There's a
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: chance that this deal all comes together and Ron lives
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: up to their end. Of the bargain and suddenly it's
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: all smelling like roses and oil goes way down, and
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: it affects the midterms. I will say that you know
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: this new economist, you go pole. It's one pole, but
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: it puts the Republicans down to Democrats by three points.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: If that's the case, Republicans pick up house in the
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: seats in the House, and they win the Senate and
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: hold it. We got a long way to go to November,
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: and we have to get the specifics of this deal.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: But if that pole is any indication, you know who knows.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I also think the president has the capacity to go
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: back to war after a time certain if it's appropriate.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Elliott con for him, I have a lot of respect.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Did a conversation with Aaron MacLean and the School of
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: War podcasts, and he said, our procurement system is not
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: designed for serious war fighting. You can see in this
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: conflict the consequences of having had effortless superiority for a
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: long time. I also think, and I'm wondering if anyone
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: has told you, part of this is driven by our
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: lack of defensive munition.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: I have heard that from several sources that it's part
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: of the equation, not the whole equation, but part of
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: the equation that you know we have. We have issues
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: and I don't think they're fully being transparent about all
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: of the issues about munitions and our ability to restock.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: You saw the President with an executive order on a
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: national defense effort to build and I think you're going
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: to have a meeting at the White House with these
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: with these companies. You know they're not getting paid. There's
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: a lot of things that were promised that had not
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: come to fruition. This is a big story that I'm
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: not sure it's the part of it, but it's it's
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: definitely a part of it.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Well, one last part of it. You've interviewed Prime Minister
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: and I thought he thought Donald Trump would never clip him,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: and I think he clipped him. And that is devastating.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I see the Churchill arc developing for Babe, where you
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: win the war and then you get voted out. Do
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: you see that happening? And do you think he got clipped? Yeah?
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: I think the President was taken aback by the response
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: to has Belah, which Israel has always said it's going
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: to do. But in the middle of the final negotiation,
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: points of this deal. The President reacted very strongly to
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: that effort, and I think had some really blunt phone calls,
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: and then those phone calls got out to the press.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: That's probably why you have not a lot of public
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: response from the Israelis at this point.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Last question, Brett, if I'm the Vice President, I'm trying
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: to sell you your audience on this deal. Has he
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: called up and asked to come on Special Report?
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: He went on Sean, we have tested several times, and
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: I'm sure he'll come back on. You know, this is
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: I'd love them to come on and read the specifics.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: You know, you can go round and round and round
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: about what's propaganda from Ron and what this what they're
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: hoping this thing does. But until you see what's in
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: the actual paper, I don't know if that's fruitful. So
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: we've definitely talked, and I welcome them on.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I hope that happens soon. Brett pher Special Report tonight
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: at six pm on the Fox New Channel. Don't miss it.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Brett. I'll be right back in America at
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: stay there, Welcome back in America and gives you it.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Bethany Mandela is one of the founders of the mom
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Wars dot substack dot com, The Moomwork dot substack dot com. Bethany,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: I've listened to the last Today of Commentary podcast. I
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: think you need to make a nice dish of comfort
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: food and get it up to New York quickly because
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: John's losing his mind. Have you listened?
• 44:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he is. I just went down.
• 44:15
  Speaker 9: I just went down to the Seth's office and I
• 44:17
  Speaker 9: asked if anyone had done a wellness check on John.
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: He's still communicating via text.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I understand it because I'm taking aback and I've
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: read the Israeli press and the English and nobody in
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Israel likes this deal nobody, and I am worried. But
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet. So I'm like Matt Contenenny,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: let's just hold on until we see it. What's your
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: reaction first, Bethann, and then tell me about your friends
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: in Israel.
• 44:45
  Speaker 9: So I think that I'm personally in the same place
• 44:49
  Speaker 9: as you and Count Nettie.
• 44:50
  Speaker 8: I'm waiting and seeing what it says. But I don't feel.
• 44:54
  Speaker 9: Comforted by the fact that we have not heard from
• 44:56
  Speaker 9: Pete Haig Seth, and we have not heard from Marco Rubio.
• 44:59
  Speaker 9: If they came out and said, this is a good deal.
• 45:02
  Speaker 9: I feel good about it. I stand behind it. I
• 45:04
  Speaker 9: personally would feel a lot better. I would also feel
• 45:06
  Speaker 9: a lot better if we could actually read it for
• 45:08
  Speaker 9: ourselves and understand, you know, what is at stake here
• 45:12
  Speaker 9: with our own two eyes and instead of all of
• 45:15
  Speaker 9: this like weird conjecture that we're all doing. But the
• 45:19
  Speaker 9: folks in Israel are feeling, like, you know, they really
• 45:22
  Speaker 9: partnered with America for the first time in such a real,
• 45:26
  Speaker 9: tangible way, and they put so much on the line,
• 45:30
  Speaker 9: and they sacrifice so much, and there's a lot of
• 45:33
  Speaker 9: fear that it was for nothing.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about Babie's feelings. He
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: had built his entire reelection campaign on the relationship with Trump,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: and Trump clipped him, and so I don't know how
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: you reco I think he's on the Churchill arc now,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: which is win the war and get thrown out, do
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: you Yeah.
• 45:54
  Speaker 8: I mean I've always been a little bit cautious about his.
• 45:59
  Speaker 9: Future because there was a lot of anger in Israel
• 46:02
  Speaker 9: against him for a long time for a lot of
• 46:03
  Speaker 9: different reasons. The thing that was saving him was this
• 46:07
  Speaker 9: special relationship that he had with Trump and we're seeing
• 46:10
  Speaker 9: it fractured in real time. So if that is out
• 46:14
  Speaker 9: the window and this isn't just some giant three D
• 46:16
  Speaker 9: chess move, which I'm still you know, the optimist in
• 46:19
  Speaker 9: me is hoping that it is.
• 46:22
  Speaker 8: I personally, I don't see how he survives.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Now, Eric Erickson, I think it's Eric posted that this
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: is the Harriet Myers of Donald Trump's second term. That's
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: unfair to Harriet Myers. It's also unfair to the situation
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: as we don't know, but it does accurately convey the
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: sense of Republican rejection of the deal. Do you sense
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: a massive Republican rejection of the deal?
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: I think that we're seeing it brewing.
• 46:48
  Speaker 9: As I was about to sign on, I saw a
• 46:51
  Speaker 9: Senator Tom Cotton posted his clip from.
• 46:53
  Speaker 8: Your show the other day.
• 46:55
  Speaker 9: I think that there is a lot of anger, A
• 46:58
  Speaker 9: lot of people on both sides of the Atlanta put
• 47:01
  Speaker 9: a lot on the line here, and there has been
• 47:05
  Speaker 9: so much animosity towards what the obamaministration did. Visited Iran
• 47:10
  Speaker 9: and JPCOA, and this feels like it's a repeat of that,
• 47:14
  Speaker 9: and Republicans don't want their names on this.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: I want to I want to start there. The one
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: thing I want accept is is a JCPOA comparison, because
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: that was giving Iran a detailed map to a nuclear weapon,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: the fastest car on the lot, and a billion dollars
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: for the road trip. Donald Trump burned up the mat,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: destroyed the car, and blew up the car factory. So
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, it can't be the JCPOA, right.
• 47:39
  Speaker 8: I mean, we're still giving them a suitcase full of cash.
• 47:41
  Speaker 8: It sounds like, yeah, but they got.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: They got no car, and they got no map. Well,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: they might rememborize, they might have memorized a map, but
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: we killed a lot of the people who made the thing.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Here's Richard Goldberg with Jason Chafits yesterday on this point
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: cut number one.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Listen.
• 47:57
  Speaker 10: I think you can be skeptical of the deal and
• 47:59
  Speaker 10: wait for detail, but also be rational and say there's
• 48:02
  Speaker 10: no comparison to the JCPOA. Why do I say that
• 48:05
  Speaker 10: everything that was allowed to grow under the JCPOA, the
• 48:09
  Speaker 10: enrichment of uranium R and D, on advanced inerfuges, R
• 48:13
  Speaker 10: and D, on their ballistic missile program, it's all been
• 48:16
  Speaker 10: destroyed militarily by Donald Trump. Now he's moving to the
• 48:19
  Speaker 10: next phase Yes, if we decide, you know what, you
• 48:22
  Speaker 10: can get your enrichment program back. You can enrich at
• 48:25
  Speaker 10: low levels. You only have to dilute the high enrich
• 48:28
  Speaker 10: uranium to low levels. Sure, we'll be going back to JCPOA.
• 48:31
  Speaker 10: My read is that's not the president's redline. He needs
• 48:33
  Speaker 10: to stick to his guns.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: And then I want to play for you bet then
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: he Ben Dominich last night on Fox News cut number two.
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: Now, this president has been the I think he's been
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: the best foreign policy president of my lifetime. I think
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: that he's been incredibly bold. He has used American power
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: to restore our sovereignty, to protect our interests, and to
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: look out for the American people. And I think it
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: was a gutsy call for him to go in to
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: Iran when he did. He didn't have to do it,
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: but he did it. He thought it was the right time.
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: And I still think that that was the right decision.
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: This deal and everything that we know about it, to
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: the degree that it is being spun in public by
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: this in behind the scenes by the administration, everything about
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: this deal seems bad to me. It all seems bad.
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: It all seems like a setback. It doesn't seem like
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: it meets any of the measures that the President actually
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: put out there of his goals when it came to
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: this conflict. And look, at some point, this Republican Party
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: needs to decide which kind of foreign policy it's going
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: to have. Is it going to be in America first
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: foreign policy, one that is bold, that uses American power
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: in key moments decisively in order to affect what it
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: wants to achieve, or are we going to just backslide
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: into being some kind of hillbilly Obama kind of GOP
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: that is not something that is acceptable to meet.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: So, beth Any, do you accept ben characterization of the
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: GOP has divided between the restrainers and the hawkish Reagan
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: not because that's what he's alluding to.
• 50:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah, No, he absolutely is.
• 50:06
  Speaker 9: And I think that we're saying seeing that play out
• 50:08
  Speaker 9: in the administration. We're seeing that more hawkish side in
• 50:11
  Speaker 9: Pete hag Seth, in Marco Rubio, and we're seeing the
• 50:17
  Speaker 9: more isolationist camp with Vice President Jade Vance.
• 50:21
  Speaker 8: I think it's.
• 50:21
  Speaker 9: Interesting you kind of have to learn how to read
• 50:24
  Speaker 9: the tea leads when you follow the Trump administration.
• 50:27
  Speaker 8: Jade Vance has been all over television today. He was
• 50:30
  Speaker 8: on the view. He was on Megan Kelly's show.
• 50:32
  Speaker 9: He was talking about all and speaking of what she
• 50:34
  Speaker 9: actually mentioned John on Megan Kelly show funny enough as
• 50:38
  Speaker 9: an example of someone who was hawkishly pushing.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: For this war.
• 50:43
  Speaker 9: So, you know, we we have that side that's very,
• 50:46
  Speaker 9: very vocal today and the other side are silent.
• 50:49
  Speaker 8: And so that's part of what's giving me real pause
• 50:51
  Speaker 8: about this deal.
• 50:52
  Speaker 9: That the folks that I personally align with who are
• 50:56
  Speaker 9: much more bellycose about you know, America and power and
• 51:00
  Speaker 9: using it in smart ways and limited ways, but in
• 51:03
  Speaker 9: effective ways.
• 51:06
  Speaker 8: I don't see those folks talking a lot today, and
• 51:09
  Speaker 8: that concerns you.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I haven't heard Meg and Kelly show yet. It would
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: be unfortunate if the Vice President singled out Sean. There
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: are a lot of us who have been watching Iran
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: for forty seven years. John's among them, and who know
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: it's an evil regime. And we I wonder about the team,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: the Vice President and mister Wikoff and mister Kushner. Do
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: you have that concern as well that they don't know
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: the case file well enough to deal with these people.
• 51:37
  Speaker 8: I mean, I think that to some degree.
• 51:41
  Speaker 9: Jared Kushner does understand these people, and Wick Cooff does too,
• 51:45
  Speaker 9: because they've been negotiating with them for close to three
• 51:48
  Speaker 9: years with everything that happened with the Israeli hostages, so
• 51:51
  Speaker 9: they know kind of what they're dealing with here. But
• 51:55
  Speaker 9: I think that we underestimate Kushner at our peril. Everyone
• 51:59
  Speaker 9: has made that calculation, and I don't want to, but
• 52:04
  Speaker 9: the history is very clear, decades and decades and decades
• 52:08
  Speaker 9: of the Iranian regime killing Americans everywhere.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Maybe they know the regime and they don't know the
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Republican part because I don't know what's in the deal.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna saint an yet. Boy. I hate
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: this regime, and I hope we didn't throw them a lifeline.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Not pany Mandell follow her on in.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Because the naval blockade was unbelievable.
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: But I will, actually I'll not only release it, I'll
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: probably have a press conference and read it to use
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: word by word so that the press covers it accurately.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Welcome back America, President Trump at the G seven that
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: has not yet happened. I'm joined now by Byron new
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: York's and your political writer at the DC Examiner, Washington Examiner,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Fox News contributor extraordinaiy Byron. Do you think he should
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: call that press conference and read.
• 52:54
  Speaker 11: The mlu oh wahuld do it right now? As a
• 52:57
  Speaker 11: matter of fact, I mean until then when he suggested
• 53:02
  Speaker 11: when it first got signed that it would be out
• 53:04
  Speaker 11: on Friday, sometime after the formal signing. You know, you thought,
• 53:08
  Speaker 11: we have to sign the agreement before you can find
• 53:10
  Speaker 11: out what's in the agreement. So that's not a great look.
• 53:15
  Speaker 11: So yeah, they ought to get it out as soon
• 53:17
  Speaker 11: as possible.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, by when you and I were on the call
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: with the senior administration official on Friday, a lot of
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: briefings been going on. Vice President Vance has been out
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: now doing a lot of very public media at the
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: View and the morning shows on the weekend. Is it
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: working because I don't think it is working.
• 53:35
  Speaker 11: But what do you think now if he's trying to
• 53:37
  Speaker 11: sell it to Trump's supporters or to just Republicans more broadly. No,
• 53:44
  Speaker 11: it's not working because in part he has not made
• 53:50
  Speaker 11: clear that Iran gets absolutely nothing before they actually produce things.
• 53:59
  Speaker 11: And secondly, he's left open the door in that three
• 54:03
  Speaker 11: hundred billion dollar question. He's left open the door to
• 54:07
  Speaker 11: the United States either directly or through an intermediary, giving
• 54:14
  Speaker 11: Iran a huge amount of money or access to its
• 54:17
  Speaker 11: own money that it doesn't have access to right now.
• 54:20
  Speaker 11: And then finally he said something today. I think that
• 54:24
  Speaker 11: would bother people because it sounds so naive saying that.
• 54:28
  Speaker 11: You know, what's really cool about all the negotiations we've
• 54:31
  Speaker 11: been doing is that we really have contacts with high
• 54:35
  Speaker 11: ranking people in Iran for the first time in forty
• 54:38
  Speaker 11: seven years, and you know, they seem to be thinking,
• 54:41
  Speaker 11: maybe we've been doing it the wrong way and should
• 54:43
  Speaker 11: try something new. And you know, I don't think there's
• 54:46
  Speaker 11: many experienced people in this matter who would agree with that.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Well, I haven't heard that yet, and that is troubling.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Eric Erickson is comparing it to the Harriet Meyers fiasco
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: and bush second term. On a political level, they might
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: be right. Seventy percent of the Republicans supported the president's
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: actions against Iran in March early March, and I think
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: it could split the party over this and badly damage
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: the Vice president standing in the party.
• 55:19
  Speaker 11: What do you think, Well, the vice president has certainly
• 55:22
  Speaker 11: taken a very forward role in this. You know, Secretary
• 55:27
  Speaker 11: of State Rubio much less so in this stage of it,
• 55:31
  Speaker 11: at least right after the war began February twenty eighth,
• 55:35
  Speaker 11: Secretary of Ruvio was out quite a bit explaining the
• 55:38
  Speaker 11: rationale for it, because of course the president had not
• 55:41
  Speaker 11: explained the rationale for it. But now in the last
• 55:44
  Speaker 11: certainly since the negotiations began, when the team was Steve Whitcock,
• 55:50
  Speaker 11: Jared Kushnir and the Vice president, the vice president has
• 55:53
  Speaker 11: taken a very very front.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: Role in this.
• 55:58
  Speaker 11: So to the degree that it could hurt the party,
• 56:03
  Speaker 11: it's going to hurt him. There's just no doubt about it.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: All right now. The one thing I don't accept, and
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I reject utterly, is that a lot of obama Ites
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: are jumping on the opportunity to try and rehab the JCPOA.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: And I've been using this analogy. The JCPOA was a
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: detailed map to get to a nuclear weapon. It was
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: the fastest car available on the lot and billions of
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: dollars for the road trip. And President Trump, whatever's in
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: the mlu he blew up the car, He burned the map,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: and then he destroyed the car factory. And now they're talking,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: so it can't be the JCPOA. He destroyed everything that
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: the JCPOA allowed to happen. Am I right or the
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: JCPOA people right.
• 56:42
  Speaker 11: No, I totally agree with you on this in the
• 56:45
  Speaker 11: sense that Trump, first of all, last June he destroyed
• 56:51
  Speaker 11: a large part of Iran's nuclear weapons capability, and starting
• 56:56
  Speaker 11: on February twenty eighth, he's destroyed the rest of it.
• 57:00
  Speaker 11: I certainly believe that they have zero capacity right now
• 57:04
  Speaker 11: to make a nuclear weapon. And so where with the
• 57:09
  Speaker 11: JCPOA everything depended on Iran's cooperation, this is not actually
• 57:16
  Speaker 11: the starting point does not depend on Iran's cooperation. It
• 57:19
  Speaker 11: is without a nuclear program because of US and Israeli bombs.
• 57:25
  Speaker 11: So that's a very very different thing.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Now let's go back to the politics. I've been following
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: the Iran regime since they took our people hostages in
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, and I've been in the Republican Party
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: the same amount of time. I know how much the
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: GOP hates the Iranian regime. And they bow up our
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: marines in eighty three, and they killed our soldiers in Iraq,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: and they may have helped the Taliban, and they're just
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: an evil regime. And I always thought Trump got that
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: with Solamani and with Midnight Hammer and Epic Fury, do
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: you think that Vance and with Covin Kushner get it.
• 57:58
  Speaker 11: Well, they say they do, and they know they used
• 58:01
  Speaker 11: the forty seven year phrase quite a bit. But I
• 58:05
  Speaker 11: have to say, you just listed some of the things
• 58:10
  Speaker 11: that Iran did over that forty seven year period, and
• 58:14
  Speaker 11: you have to remember that during that forty seven year period,
• 58:18
  Speaker 11: we've had two terms of Ronald Reagan, one term of
• 58:22
  Speaker 11: George H. W. Busch, two terms of George W. Bush,
• 58:26
  Speaker 11: and one term of Donald Trump. And they didn't do
• 58:30
  Speaker 11: those things. And to some Americans, especially to younger Americans,
• 58:36
  Speaker 11: it might seem kind of like spanking the dog for
• 58:41
  Speaker 11: messing on the carpet three weeks ago. The time to
• 58:46
  Speaker 11: deal with those particular things has passed, and so I
• 58:48
  Speaker 11: think Trump did not make a good case coming out
• 58:51
  Speaker 11: and saying, well, we've been at war of them for
• 58:53
  Speaker 11: forty seven years and this is just the natural next step.
• 58:57
  Speaker 11: It really wasn't the natural next step. I mean, it's
• 59:00
  Speaker 11: what Trump decided to do. Give them today's circumstances. But
• 59:03
  Speaker 11: I don't think you can make the forty seven year
• 59:06
  Speaker 11: arguments to justify going to work today.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: You have to make the argument that for forty seven
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: years we didn't do anything or nothing, that therefore I'm
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: left with this pile of terrible possibilities and I've got
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: to stop it, and I will have the courage to
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: do it. That's the argument, but that it's hard to
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: make the argument too. Now, will settle with them because
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: it's not regime change. It's the same regime. They're still twelvers,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: and the twelvers are dangerous people. Last word to you
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: buy it?
• 59:35
  Speaker 11: No, I agree. It is not regime change. It is
• 59:38
  Speaker 11: the same. And the question is is regime change the
• 59:43
  Speaker 11: tactic that the United States should have followed in this
• 59:47
  Speaker 11: because we would be buying ourselves an enormously new set
• 59:51
  Speaker 11: of problems if we've tried to do that.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: I agreed with that. Byron New York follow my acced
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: byro in New York. Read them into the Washington Examiner.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Sam on Fox News, thank you. I I'll be right
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: back to America. Remember Indian the Senator Jim Banks coming
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: up next hour on that you do a show. An
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: old friend of the program joins us. Now, Senator Jim
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Banks from the Great State of Indiana is back center.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Banks So good to see you. You were always on
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: as the House Republican Study Committee chairman and in the
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: House and all that stuff. Now you're a big time
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: senator on the Senator Armed Services Committee. So I'm glad
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: we got your time. But I want to start by
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: asking you. This week I looked up. I saw the
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Obama Library. It's the ugliest library in the system, but
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: that's his money and his design. Then I saw the
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: picture of the Global War on Tarror Memorial. I didn't
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: know we were going to have one good idea. Who
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: came up with this design? And what do you think
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: about it?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 12: Well, I'm not going to blame our friend Mike Gallagher
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 12: for all of this, but Mike Gallagher carried the resolution
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 12: back in twenty twenty one that I voted for co sponsor,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 12: and all of us who are post nine to eleven
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 12: veterans in the House co sponsored this to create a
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 12: Global War on Terror Memorial to to honor our greatest
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 12: heroes from who died in Iraq and Afghanistan. Over seven
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 12: thousand of our service members died and another three thousand
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 12: or so contractors died in Iraq in Afghanistan. As you know,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 12: I served in Afghanistan. So when these renderings came out
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 12: late late last week, I was appalled, and so were
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 12: so many others that I heard from that this vision
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 12: that Gallagher and others had to create this memorial could
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 12: turn into something like this, an ugly disconnected memorial designed
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 12: by a Japanese architect.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 12: I don't know why the architect was selected, but very
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 12: very very distant I think from the vision that so
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 12: many had to put this memorial. The memorial is on
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 12: a beautiful site of public land right behind the Lincoln Memorial.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 12: It's currently a baseball field that gets a lot of use.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: But this.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 12: Abstract art designed by this foreign architect, it just doesn't
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 12: hit the mark. So there are a few things that
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 12: can happen. I was talking to Senator Tim Sheehey, who
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 12: I know is also a friend of the show a
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 12: little bit ago, and yes he is a veteran, a
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 12: post nine to eleven veteran, And I think a lot
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 12: of us in Congress have a duty, Hugh, to disrupt this,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 12: to slow it down. In Congress, we can block the design.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 12: It was chosen by the Foundation and the committee. But
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 12: by the way, I have tremendous respect for President George W. Bush,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 12: and he is the honorary chairman of this foundation. I
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 12: don't know how involved he was with choosing the design,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 12: but the board here think, I think, really missed the
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 12: mark and what they approved. I hope that they will go.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 12: I hope that they will voluntarily go back to the
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 12: drawing board. But if they don't, there will be a
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 12: window of opportunity here for she, he and me and
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 12: others in Congress to do something about it.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I hope you do. Now. I'm not a veteran,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: but I have a son in a son in law
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: and fought in the Global War on Terror, and they
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: lost friends, and they have been very vocal with me
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: as well about how important the war was. And I
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: was looking forward to someone that would represent the cost
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: to the family, to the fallen, the wounded, fifty five
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: thousand wounded as well. And they want to go there.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: They'll be going there for a decade. And you look
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: at it. I have no idea what it's supposed to convey,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: do you, Senator.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Not at all?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 12: I mean, that's the unfortunate part of it. I quickly
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 12: did what I sometimes do, and maybe too quickly, went
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 12: to my ex account and expressed my dismay about the design.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 12: But the more that I dug into it, the more
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 12: it just made me sad. I mean, to your point,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 12: future generations will see this memorial, just like I go
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 12: and meet the honor flight veterans from Indiana who come
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 12: to the World War Two memorial, and I meet them there,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 12: I shake their hands, I thank them for their service
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 12: and tell them that they are my heroes. Veterans from
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 12: World War Two to the to Vietnam War, the Korean War,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 12: even Desert Storm veterans that come in those honor flights
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 12: from Indiana, These memorials who are meant to inspire future
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 12: generations as much as they are meant to honor those
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 12: fallen heroes in these wars. So I don't find much
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 12: about this that's inspiring or honoring. And that's why I
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 12: think we got to go back to the drawing board
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 12: and do a do over of some sort and recognize,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 12: I mean, in some way. You know, the Vietnam memorial
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 12: is so powerful because it lists those names, and other
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 12: memorials show faces and memorialize those those heroes who gave
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 12: the ultimate sacrifice. That these other memorials you don't get
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 12: any of that with this postmodern design that's so distant
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 12: and disconnected from I think the purpose of what this
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 12: memorial is supposed to do.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Now. I know I'm old enough to remember the Vietnam
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Memorial controversy. Originally it was rejected and people didn't think
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: it would work, and they added the statue of the
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: three soldiers coming out of the jungle just to sort
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: of even it up. But then when you experienced the name,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: it found out there's no way that that's going to
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: be this case. But I expect people will say, let's
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: do it that way, and maybe there's a great committee.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: Sam Brown is out there talking it up. But I'm
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: telling you this is it's just flat. Let me ask
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: you why I've got your centator since you're on Armed
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Services today. Elliott Cohen is a very serious military historian.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: I'm a frequent critic of President Trump, who's doing his
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: best to put that aside. Said about this war that
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: it shows our procurement system is not designed for serious
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: war fighting. You can see this in the conflict, the
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: consequences of having had effortless superiority for a long time.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Do you agree with that, and if so, what do
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: we do about that well.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 12: Sadly he's I think he's right over the mark. Sean
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 12: Sankar Pallenteer just wrote this great book, maybe you've already
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 12: read it, Mobilized, where he talks about these challenges of
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 12: our defense industrial supply chain and the munitions shortfall. I mean,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 12: that's a big part of I think President Trump, we're
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 12: going to learn more over the next couple of days
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 12: about the MoU, and you talked about it in the
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 12: last segment. I'm eager to learn more, and I trust
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 12: President Trump. I'm optimistic about what President Trump has done
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 12: to prevent ron from ever having a nuclear weapon, and
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 12: I want to see the MoU and understand it better
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 12: and defend it. But one of the miss parts of
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 12: all of this is that running out of munitions means
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 12: that we can't keep up the force and the pressure.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 12: So that's why I introduced legislation and last year's NDAA
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 12: called Buying Faster than the Enemy Act that would cut
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 12: cut back on a lot of red tape for contractors
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 12: and good news in Indiana, Crane Navy Base, the third
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 12: largest Navy base in the world that most people have
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 12: never heard of, which is where we keep a lot
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 12: of our munitions stockpile. We just did a joint venture
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 12: between Krados and Raphael, a great Israeli company that would
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 12: become one of the first munitions plants in the country
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 12: in Indiana that will accelerate this process and funded largely
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 12: by the big beautiful bill that we passed last year.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 12: I met with Secretary Hegseth last week talking about the
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 12: importance of the one point five trillion dollar defense budget
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 12: and how do we get there with a supplemental bill
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 12: with another I'm all for a third reconciliation bill that
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 12: we'll focus on defense spending, but all of that hue
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 12: is necessary to rebuild our defense industrial base. And to
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 12: Elliott's point, we have to focus more on cracking down
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 12: on red tape with the procurement process to make this
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 12: process go quicker. We've learned so many lessons from in
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 12: Ukraine and in Iran, and one lesson that we learned
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 12: is another piece tie back to Indiana. The Lucas drones
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 12: is a one way, cheap, one way attack drone that
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 12: we've copied from the Iranians that we can build faster
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 12: and quicker than most drones that we've ever ever produced before.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 12: In the US in Indiana. We tested the drone at
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 12: at Camp Adderbury in India, and they're being manufactured and
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 12: produced in the state of Arizona. Currently. We need more
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 12: of that. We need more pressure to speed up the
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 12: production of these types of weapons if we're ever going
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 12: to get into a fight like the one that we're
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 12: getting out of in Iran.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 10: Ever.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: Again, well, I'm glad that we've got a production facility
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: going up in Indiana. I've never heard of that naval
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: base by the way, Senator Bank, So I'm glad you've
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: educated me on that. And I'm also glad we got
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: through an entire segment without you bringing up the who's
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: you're being national champions? That was very gentlemanly of you.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: Next time, I imagine I get next year, Senator Jim
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: Banks on the Nationals on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me. Good luck in getting that
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: memorial turned around. I'll be right back, promise. Lilacs is back.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: He joined me in hour number one. He's back in
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: our number three. And now I remember when we're talking
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: about the MoU Now we want to have some fun, James.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: I wanted to know your reaction to the World Cup
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: fans who found their way to Bucky's and to a
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: variety of American attractions that are different from anything Europe.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: And I want to know where you want them to
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: go next, because I've been enjoying the heck Guy. Before long,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: there will be false flag foreigners, right, they won't be foreigners.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: There'll be people who are trying to make a buy.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: But the first wave has been genuine. What do you
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: make of it?
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: Absolutely adore it. The one that everybody's been talking about,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: of course, is Freddy. Freddy's come over and everywhere he
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: goes he's absolutely astonished by the brightness, the friendliness, the
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: absolute joy, the abundance, the pumptuous good spirits of America.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: And you can always imagine that back home in Germany,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: I think is where he's from. His friends were saying, no,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: you don't go, don't go to the Deep South. I've
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: seen movies of those places. Top with mirrored sunglasses. We'll
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: pull you over and beat you with his nightstick. And
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 5: the reality of the specific burning I haven't just seen,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 5: you know, a movie where Jackie Gleason puts you in
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: the clinker because you've been speeding, And the reality of
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: it is is that when he crosses the Louisiana border,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: somebody has taped a welcome Freddy sign to the Louisiana
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: state side.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: So you can only imagine the.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: Joy of this guy realizing that you know, either one
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: of two things is true, that the idea that America
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: is with the European conception of it is what it is,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: or two that actually this is the most fullest expression
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: of human flowering and flourishing that you're going to find. Yes,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: we don't have what they do in the old, narrow,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: twisty streets, the great museum palaces and the rest of it.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: We don't. We got a little of it, but we
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: don't have that sort of steeped in culture and hundreds
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: of years of history that we don't.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: You can't walk down the street in Fargo, North Dakota
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: and see the remains of a Roman aqueduct.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: That's all true.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: But we have a twenty four hour place where you
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: can go in and get pork rise at three o'clock
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: in the morning, gas up your car, get a lottery ticket,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: chat to a pretty girl behind the counter, and then
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: get back on the big freeway.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: And drive into the night, knowing not where the day
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: will take you. I mean, once they get that.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: I had a French brother in law who ended up
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: in California and within about twenty four hours, I think
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: he rented a topless car, a convertible and was wearing
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: ray Ban sun glasses and driving around like Johnny Holiday.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: So why going to it?
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: I would send him to Montana on the end It's river,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: because they've got nothing like that in Europe. Right there,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: it's the most beautiful, the last best place in America.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: My buddy Jan Geneer is up there. Where would you
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: send them?
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: I would send them to fart in North Dakota. And
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you why.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: They've been to all these places with green with the
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: bucknees and the great stadiums, and they've seen the bright
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: lights and the excerbs and the tall towers and the
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: rest of it. To truly understand America and the spirit
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: of the people who founded it and what they endured.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 5: Start them in Fargo, drive them around a little to
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  Speaker 5: this beautiful little town.
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  Speaker 2: It's a gorgeous little city.
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  Speaker 5: It's magnificent little piece of Western culture there in the
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  Speaker 5: Red River Valley, and then start west. Get on I
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  Speaker 5: ninety four ie ninety four is a straight shot to Montana.
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  Speaker 2: There are no curves.
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  Speaker 5: You can tie the steering wheel and put a brick
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  Speaker 5: on the accelerator and lean back.
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  Speaker 2: Who we were doing that, you.
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  Speaker 5: Know with self driving cars back in nineteen sixty eight,
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  Speaker 5: and to all the way across the flat lands with
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  Speaker 5: nothing but the great sky above.
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  Speaker 2: We don't need mountains in North Dakota.
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  Speaker 5: We've got flowed We've got clouds heaped up to the
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  Speaker 5: Imperian top. Then you understand the size, the scope, the
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  Speaker 5: amazing breadth, the solitude, the loneliness, and the fecundity.
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  Speaker 2: And this is just one state. This is just one
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  Speaker 2: state and one highway.
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  Speaker 5: We got fifty of them, not granted summer tiny and
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  Speaker 5: irrelevant like Vermont, Sorry Vermont. But you know, and then
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  Speaker 5: as you're in North Dakota, maybe play out that up
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  Speaker 5: there is all the nuclear weapons. There's the stuff that
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  Speaker 5: if North Dakota had seceded from the Union in the
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  Speaker 5: nineteen seventies, we would have been about the fourth biggest
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  Speaker 5: nuclear power in the world.
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  Speaker 2: I would say, show them the vast expanse and emptiness
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 5: And then when you get to the end of it,
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  Speaker 5: you have the bad lands where ti R himself would
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  Speaker 5: go out and shoot and haunt and do manly things.
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  Speaker 5: Go through the moonscapes of South Dakota, which are unlike
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  Speaker 5: anything else you'll see in this country. Go see the
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  Speaker 5: big heads that we carved into the Mount Rushmore. Tell
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  Speaker 5: them it's an active erosion. I mean, that's where I
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  Speaker 5: would go.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone wants to.
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  Speaker 5: I mean the beautiful places, yes, absolutely, But it's the
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  Speaker 5: places that are beautiful and starky ways different than the
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  Speaker 5: posters and the travel posters like to tell you.
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  Speaker 2: No North Dakota travelogue, We'll ever say.
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  Speaker 5: Just drive on the highway for six hours and you'll
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  Speaker 5: attain a certain sort of nirvana, the likes of which
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  Speaker 5: you were not expecting.
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  Speaker 2: But that's where I'd send Freddy and the rest of them.
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  Speaker 1: And Defense of Vermont James. I was there last weekend
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  Speaker 1: with the sheet in Woodstock and they were, honest to god,
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  Speaker 1: seventy five year old hippies with gray hair and tied
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  Speaker 1: down T shirt. So that's actually worth seeing as a
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  Speaker 1: time capsule. Why, Bernie, that's good. Yeah, Covered Bridger too.
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  Speaker 2: No, I love it up there.
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  Speaker 5: I was up in New Hampshire a while ago, I
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  Speaker 5: think in Woodstock New Hampshire as it happened to be,
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  Speaker 5: and absolutely perfect little places. We abound with them, and
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  Speaker 5: like I said, they don't have Our history goes back
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  Speaker 5: two hundred and fifty years or in the case of
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  Speaker 5: New England, a lot longer than that. But to them
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  Speaker 5: it's like yesterday because they're living in stuff that was
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we don't have like Paris does.
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  Speaker 5: The street you can walk down and see the popmarks
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  Speaker 5: from the Revolution where somebody was shooting at eighteen forty eight,
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  Speaker 1: Leland Viddert was my guest a few months ago when
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  Speaker 1: his bestseller Born Lucky came out, you know, and from
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  Speaker 1: Born Lucky is what we're talking about today because it's
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  Speaker 1: an advance of Father's Day and Leland, I can't tell
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  Speaker 1: you how many times a fetching missus Hewett and I
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  Speaker 1: have reference back called back to your book in the
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: month since we've read it about fatherhood because we got
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: two sons that are being dads and a son in
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: law is being a dad, and how your dad excelled.
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  Speaker 1: Let's focus in on that for people that I've already
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: posted the interview if people want to go and find it,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: it's on my ex account. Have people thought about it
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: in terms of a Father's Day book, because that's what
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  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 3: It's a father's day book.
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  Speaker 13: It's a love story, it's a thank you letter. And
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 13: I think, Hugh, what's most interesting is that you predicted
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 13: this when you read it. You understood that this went
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 13: way beyond a story about.
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  Speaker 8: A kid with autism, which is me.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 13: This is a story about fathers and sons, and it
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 13: is hope for every father of a kid who's having
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 13: a hard time, doesn't matter if it's ADHD or anxiety
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 13: or autism. And you understood the response that I would get.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 13: I think you were the first or second interview I did.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 13: And you said you are going to hear from hundreds
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 13: upon hundreds upon hundreds of fathers, and I did, and
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 13: I heard the same story from every one of them,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 13: which was thank you and thank you for showing me
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 13: that I'm not alone. And it's interesting you say that
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 13: because my dad thought he was alone. And a part
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 13: of the book is him crying every night, him crying
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 13: every night because he was alone, and he was in
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 13: his house and it was one or two o'clock in
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 13: the morning, sitting on a blue couch in a dark
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 13: living room, thinking about his son who had just spent
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 13: a couple of hours telling his dad about his day
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 13: at school and being bullied and being beaten up and humiliated,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 13: and that father felt helpless, and that father was my father.
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  Speaker 13: That I think represents so many fathers around the country
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  Speaker 13: just trying to figure out what to do.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yar Leland, that's not what we call back to
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: when I'm talking about it on the porch with my wife,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: we called back to the fact he met you every
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: day at the bus er on the driveway, and that
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: his job was to encourage and refine, encourage, not discipline,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: encourage and mold, and that he would rehearse with you
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: the conversations you had that were odd or off, and
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: he would walk you through. And I just think I'll
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  Speaker 1: never forget that. And if there's great parenting and fathering
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: advice in there, encourage and guide would be my summary
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  Speaker 1: of what your dad did. Now, by the way, have
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: you shown these responses to your dad?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And he didn't want me to put the book out.
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  Speaker 13: I know he thought this was far too personal and
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 13: far too self reflective and self aggrandizing.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: And he still says I'm not a hero.
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  Speaker 13: But I've shown him every one of the emails and
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 13: every one of the text messages, in every one of
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 13: the social media dms and posts, and they mean the
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 13: world to him because it means telling this story has
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  Speaker 13: brought hope to so many others. When you talk about
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  Speaker 13: that refining, I was a kid with big problems.
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  Speaker 2: When I was eight years old.
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  Speaker 13: My parents were told they needed to have me evaluated.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 13: They took me into this medical testing facility, and we've
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 13: all been there, the linoleum floor, stale coffee, bad furniture,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 13: that smell of fear that so many parents have sitting there.
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  Speaker 8: The woman goes back and says, this kid's.
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  Speaker 3: Got big problems.
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  Speaker 13: Big behavioral problems. If somebody looks at them the wrong
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  Speaker 13: way to turn over, he'll turn around and slug them.
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  Speaker 13: So that meant no play dates or birthday parties or anything.
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  Speaker 13: Big sensory issues. If I had socks on or anything
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  Speaker 13: like that, I would melt down if I didn't like them.
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  Speaker 13: And big IQ problems, big learning disabilities. IQ test is
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  Speaker 13: the average of two scores. Twenty point difference between the
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  Speaker 13: scores is a learning disability. I had a seventy point spread,
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  Speaker 13: biggest difference they'd ever seen. And my dad goes, what
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  Speaker 13: do we do, and the woman says, there's not much
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  Speaker 13: you can do. My dad said, well, where he's at
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  Speaker 13: is a disaster, so we're going to have to try
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  Speaker 13: to figure things out. And you point out that the
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  Speaker 13: watch tap store, which is my dad would take me
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  Speaker 13: out to lunch with somebody like you who he was
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  Speaker 13: friends with, and I would have loved it because I
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 13: could talk about current events and that kind of stuff,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 13: and I would just start bugging you mercilessly before we
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 13: even sat down at the table. And then we sit
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 13: down at some diner with milkshakes and burgers, And as
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  Speaker 13: soon as Dad realized I'd gotten a little off putting,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 13: he would tap his watch, and that was my cue
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 13: to stop talking, and then my cue to bookmark that.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 13: And then later we would go back and replay those conversations,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 13: role play them. You know, when mister Hewett was talking
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 13: about his two sons and his son in law, what
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 13: could you have talked about that he would have been interested?
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 13: What could you have asked him rather than inserting your opinion?
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 13: And that's how I learned the social and emotional fabric
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 13: that comes so naturally to.
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  Speaker 1: So many encouraging and refine. The other thing that we
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: call back to from Born Lucky, and that's the name
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  Speaker 1: of the book Leland that are Born Lucky. It's a
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: bestseller forever and it's going to be on the charge forever.
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  Speaker 1: Is your house in Michigan, which is a rambling rack
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: of ges than people coming in and out. We kind
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  Speaker 1: of liked that picture, I know, it was confusing for you,
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  Speaker 1: but I kind of liked the picture of your summers
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  Speaker 1: when everybody just rolls on through and you have no
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  Speaker 1: and your parents are hospitable. That's a spiritual gift.
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  Speaker 2: In my world.
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  Speaker 1: That's a crazy good gift to have, and I think
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: people ought to take a lesson from that as well.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: Anyone else comment on that that that sticks with him.
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  Speaker 13: You're the first to talk about where my parents spent
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 13: the summers with my great grandparents. Little late cottage that
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 13: my parents have since taken up taken up is their
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 13: home and we used to have a lot of house
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 13: guests there. It was a chance for me to get
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 13: away from the bullying in school for me was hell.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 13: My parents never told teachers or principles or anybody else
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 13: about what I was going through.
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  Speaker 8: So there was a lot of school that was very hard.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 13: You know, art class in eighth grade, a teacher didn't
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 13: think I was going to become Picasso. So we're all
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 13: sitting there around the art tables. At the end of class,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 13: he says, you know, Viitterard, my daughter was as ugly
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 13: as you. I would shave its bleep and make it
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 13: walk backwards. And so school was pretty hard teachers are
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 13: doing that, you know what the kids are doing. So
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 13: being in Michigan in a chance to be around adults,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 13: and I think that's really also the story of Born
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 13: Lucky is what a difference a few adults who were
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 13: not my parents made in my life.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there were a couple of men.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 13: I would think that if you and I had known
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 13: each other thirty years ago, you probably would have been
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 13: one of those people who was understanding and kind to
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 13: me as a young man and gave me an outlet
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 13: and gave me something to think about and to do
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 13: other than just be isolated because I didn't have any friends.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's a high compliment and my high compliment for
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: Born Lucky. If there isn't a dad out there who
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: wouldn't appreciate the book, and there is especially a young
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: dad out there who wouldn't learn from the book the
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: virtues of patience, encouragement and daily work on the molding
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: of your kids, because every kid deserves that to the
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: extent they've got it dad, and the dad's got the Williams.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that anyone like your dad is going
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: to come down the pike for every kid that needs him,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: But the best Father's Day gift I can imagine, and
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: you can give yourself a gift. Watch Leland tonight on
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: News Nation, but on balance this program, But go get
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: born Lucky. Born Lucky is available at Amazon, Barnes, and
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: Noble Notes bookstores. Born Lucky by Leland Bitterer. Thank you, Leland.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: I'll be right back in America. Stay tuned.