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- 0:16SPEAKER_00: Good morning,
- 0:16SPEAKER_00: everyone,
- 0:17SPEAKER_00: and welcome to Around the world in 20 minutes,
- 0:19SPEAKER_00: where we try to make sense of the beguiling new planet we find ourselves on.
- 0:25SPEAKER_00: And wow, Harry Houdini may just have escaped again.
- 0:30SPEAKER_00: He's certainly still among the living.
- 0:32SPEAKER_00: Bibi Netanyahu,
- 0:34SPEAKER_00: the Harry Houdini of Israeli politics,
- 0:36SPEAKER_00: who seems to be locked up in all kinds of accoutrement And this is particularly
- 0:43SPEAKER_00: a trick of daring do at the moment.
- 0:57SPEAKER_00: After falling asleep at the switch when Hamas came over the border and the Iran war,
- 1:02SPEAKER_00: to put it mildly, not going the way he might have liked.
- 1:05SPEAKER_00: In spite of those strategic disasters in both cases,
- 1:09SPEAKER_00: he's still among the political living this morning.
- 1:12SPEAKER_00: That much was pretty much preordained.
- 1:17SPEAKER_00: Nobody thought either Bibi's bloc led
- 1:20SPEAKER_00: by his party Likud plus other more far-right parties,
- 1:24SPEAKER_00: Zionist parties,
- 1:25SPEAKER_00: settler parties,
- 1:27SPEAKER_00: Orthodox parties on the right of the Israeli spectrum were going
- 1:31SPEAKER_00: to get anything like a majority and they didn't.
- 1:34SPEAKER_00: But Eisenkot,
- 1:35SPEAKER_00: Gabby Eisenkot,
- 1:36SPEAKER_00: Gaddy Eisenkot,
- 1:37SPEAKER_00: who is the former general,
- 1:40SPEAKER_00: of course,
- 1:41SPEAKER_00: is our all Israeli leaders when they leave power,
- 1:43SPEAKER_00: former head of the IDF, a plain spoken bluff man, kind of the anti-BB in many ways.
- 1:49SPEAKER_00: Incredibly trustworthy and personally honest.
- 1:52SPEAKER_00: Quite a contrast to the fluent but slippery BB through the years.
- 1:58SPEAKER_00: Eisenkott's party, which is a mix of everybody else.
- 2:02SPEAKER_00: It's an utterly incoherent group of people.
- 2:04SPEAKER_00: You have Naftali Bennett on the right, a former colleague of Beebe's.
- 2:09SPEAKER_00: You have Lapid in the middle,
- 2:12SPEAKER_00: kind of telegenic,
- 2:13SPEAKER_00: kind of middle survivor of what's left of the center-left aristocracy that used
- 2:18SPEAKER_00: to run it.
- 2:19SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 2:34SPEAKER_00: I mean, that was kind of the thinking.
- 2:58SPEAKER_00: But what's going to follow are weeks of political haggling.
- 3:01SPEAKER_00: And at this, Harry Houdini is a past master.
- 3:05SPEAKER_00: So now I can just about see Houdini,
- 3:08SPEAKER_00: Beebe's escape plan from this seemingly insurmountable problem.
- 3:13SPEAKER_00: Before I start,
- 3:13SPEAKER_00: shout out to my friend Jim,
- 3:15SPEAKER_00: who has said to me many,
- 3:17SPEAKER_00: many times as we talked in D.C.
- 3:20SPEAKER_00: We talk, we have breakfast almost weekly to talk about the Middle East.
- 3:23SPEAKER_00: And Jim is one of the absolute best analysts at it out there.
- 3:27SPEAKER_00: And he just said, look, I'm paraphrasing here.
- 3:30SPEAKER_00: There are a graveyard of people who predicted Netanyahu's demise
- 3:34SPEAKER_00: and he's still there, that this guy is almost unsinkable, that voting against him.
- 3:40SPEAKER_00: And you certainly can see why he's dominated Israeli politics for the last 30 years.
- 3:45SPEAKER_00: I think he's been prime minister for 19 of them,
- 3:48SPEAKER_00: loomed over the other 11,
- 3:51SPEAKER_00: and has been the dominant figure and doesn't seem likely to go,
- 3:54SPEAKER_00: to use a phrase we're using this week from Dylan Thomas,
- 3:57SPEAKER_00: gentle into that good night.
- 4:00SPEAKER_00: And what can we say that we know at the moment about the Israeli election?
- 4:04SPEAKER_00: They're still counting votes.
- 4:05SPEAKER_00: They're over halfway.
- 4:07SPEAKER_00: I think they've counted about just over 50 percent of the vote.
- 4:09SPEAKER_00: But certain patterns are clear.
- 4:11SPEAKER_00: First of all, there was a huge turnout, 77 percent.
- 4:15SPEAKER_00: Exit polling had both the Likud bloc and...
- 4:30SPEAKER_00: And Eisenkotts block at 51 seats, and you need 61.
- 4:34SPEAKER_00: So nobody's even at knocking distance of that.
- 4:37SPEAKER_00: However,
- 4:38SPEAKER_00: in the actual count of the vote,
- 4:39SPEAKER_00: and again, just a few percentages in the system can sway the numbers a lot.
- 4:44SPEAKER_00: So it's not a done deal at 50% because of the fragmented nature of the Israeli political system.
- 4:50SPEAKER_00: Just a few percent here or there can really move the numbers quite dramatically.
- 4:54SPEAKER_00: And I know this from having Been a veteran of many other Israeli elections.
- 4:58SPEAKER_00: But at present at 50%, Bibi is slightly overperforming at about 55%.
- 5:05SPEAKER_00: Still not near the 61 but ahead.
- 5:07SPEAKER_00: Eisenkotts group slightly underperforming at the moment.
- 5:10SPEAKER_00: Now, normally this group, which is treated very badly...
- 5:31SPEAKER_00: In terms of discrimination through the years, doesn't bother to vote.
- 5:33SPEAKER_00: They boycott the election because mainline Israeli parties don't trust them
- 5:39SPEAKER_00: over matters of security and strategy,
- 5:40SPEAKER_00: and so they're never allowed into governments.
- 5:44SPEAKER_00: At best,
- 5:45SPEAKER_00: they can wink and nod at a government and support it in a supply-side,
- 5:48SPEAKER_00: parliamentary way,
- 5:50SPEAKER_00: issue by issue,
- 5:51SPEAKER_00: case by case,
- 5:52SPEAKER_00: maybe voting with the government but not being a part of the government.
- 5:56SPEAKER_00: Well, the days of them boycotting, I think sensibly enough for them, are over.
- 6:01SPEAKER_00: And they put their two main Palestinian groups, there's Ram and then another one.
- 6:06SPEAKER_00: And they're going to move up from about 10 seats to
- 6:08SPEAKER_00: the Palestinian Arab Israeli citizens from 10 seats to 18.
- 6:14SPEAKER_00: So one way or the other,
- 6:15SPEAKER_00: they are the So with 50% of the vote counted,
- 6:18SPEAKER_00: Bibi's at 55, Eisenkotts at 49, the Pentagon's at 49.
- 6:30SPEAKER_00: Palestinians are at about 16.
- 6:34SPEAKER_00: And so that would seem to favor Eisenkot because the Palestinian Arabs loathe Bibi
- 6:40SPEAKER_00: as he loathes them.
- 6:41SPEAKER_00: And there's no way in God's green earth they will ever serve in a government.
- 6:45SPEAKER_00: So it's very clear that their only option is either to stay outside
- 6:48SPEAKER_00: of governing altogether or reach some sort of deal.
- 7:01SPEAKER_00: With Eisencott,
- 7:02SPEAKER_00: and indeed,
- 7:02SPEAKER_00: if you add the 16 to the 49,
- 7:04SPEAKER_00: this is where I say to my high school kids, math skills actually matter.
- 7:09SPEAKER_00: You're at 65, you're over the magical 61, and you can form a government.
- 7:14SPEAKER_00: Now, this could either be a government government.
- 7:16SPEAKER_00: Where the Palestinians, the Ram Party and the other one whose name escapes me are within.
- 7:20SPEAKER_00: Or you farm a party where they support you issue by issue and you work out some sort
- 7:26SPEAKER_00: of deal as to what you're going to do.
- 7:29SPEAKER_00: And so that would seem to We still favor Eisencott.
- 7:33SPEAKER_00: But Bibi, the escape plan of Houdini is now clear to me.
- 7:37SPEAKER_00: And again, I don't ever famously like to talk about hypotheticals.
- 7:42SPEAKER_00: It's such a waste of time.
- 7:46SPEAKER_00: People do it in the community and I go nuts.
- 7:49SPEAKER_00: Ferguson loves to do it because it means he doesn't actually have to stand
- 7:52SPEAKER_00: by his own really shoddy analysis.
- 7:55SPEAKER_00: But in this case,
- 7:56SPEAKER_00: I'm going to do it because I think, again,
- 7:58SPEAKER_00: one of the strengths of realism and Morgenthau's realism,
- 8:00SPEAKER_00: And so let's,
- 8:02SPEAKER_00: for a minute, do this, because I think, for once, this hypothetical is useful.
- 8:05SPEAKER_00: You're Harry Houdini, you're Bebe, and you're looking at these numbers.
- 8:08SPEAKER_00: Now, what do you say at the 50% mark?
- 8:10SPEAKER_00: Well,
- 8:31SPEAKER_00: So first, I did better than everybody thought.
- 8:33SPEAKER_00: They thought Eisenkott's bloc was slightly ahead in the last week of campaigning by
- 8:38SPEAKER_00: a seat or two,
- 8:39SPEAKER_00: that they were ahead and that the president of Israel Herzog has to go to one
- 8:46SPEAKER_00: of these groups and have them try to form a government.
- 8:48SPEAKER_00: And if Eisenkott's grouping were ahead, well, you'd have to go to him.
- 8:55SPEAKER_00: And then he could talk to the Palestinians and some sort of deal could be worked out or not.
- 8:59SPEAKER_00: But he would have first crack of the bat as the largest single member of
- 9:04SPEAKER_00: the coalition and of the voting.
- 9:07SPEAKER_00: Well, that didn't happen if these numbers hold.
- 9:10SPEAKER_00: And again, they can move radically.
- 9:11SPEAKER_00: Just a few percentage points can swing them.
- 9:13SPEAKER_00: I want to be clear about that at the moment.
- 9:16SPEAKER_00: We simply don't know, but we can start playing around.
- 9:20SPEAKER_00: If Beebe's at 55 and Eisenkott's at 49,
- 9:23SPEAKER_00: he can say, hey, President Herzog, I know you hate me, but it doesn't matter.
- 9:27SPEAKER_00: You're going to follow the Constitution.
- 9:29SPEAKER_00: My bloc got the most votes, so I get to try to form a government.
- 9:34SPEAKER_00: Even though the Palestinians won't even talk to me, nor I talk to them, but I'm first.
- 9:40SPEAKER_00: If it were tied, and he was already trying this out last night, I mean, he's amazing to watch.
- 9:44SPEAKER_00: This man isn't subtle, but he's effective.
- 9:46SPEAKER_00: His last campaign picture, and was...
- 9:49SPEAKER_00: And a bunch of Palestinians.
- 10:13SPEAKER_00: That's what he was saying without saying it.
- 10:15SPEAKER_00: And again, not subtle, tacky, but often effective.
- 10:20SPEAKER_00: And you have a look at that ad.
- 10:24SPEAKER_00: If that were the case,
- 10:25SPEAKER_00: and it were even,
- 10:26SPEAKER_00: Bibi said, well,
- 10:26SPEAKER_00: then my party, Likud, got the most seats, even if the two groupings are the same.
- 10:33SPEAKER_00: And that would have been true at a tie, which is what things look like in the exit polling.
- 10:38SPEAKER_00: In which case, I still get to try to form the next government.
- 10:41SPEAKER_00: Now, if he's actually ahead, he's grouping a number of seats.
- 10:43SPEAKER_00: That's a no-brainer.
- 10:45SPEAKER_00: He should try to get to form the next government.
- 10:48SPEAKER_00: But of course, this government would amount to nothing.
- 10:51SPEAKER_00: But Bibi doesn't really care about that because,
- 10:53SPEAKER_00: as is the tradition in most countries,
- 10:56SPEAKER_00: while you're trying to sort through coalitions together,
- 10:59SPEAKER_00: the prime minister,
- 11:00SPEAKER_00: the daily running of the countries,
- 11:03SPEAKER_00: of the state,
- 11:04SPEAKER_00: would be left to the outgoing prime minister, which in this case is Bibi.
- 11:09SPEAKER_00: So the longer this goes and the more frustrating this is, the better.
- 11:15SPEAKER_00: He doesn't mind that.
- 11:16SPEAKER_00: So he would spend a week or two talking about,
- 11:19SPEAKER_00: you know,
- 11:20SPEAKER_00: that he wanted to talk to the Palestinians or he didn't want to talk to them
- 11:23SPEAKER_00: or they wouldn't talk to him.
- 11:25SPEAKER_00: I mean, cue the soap opera and absolutely nothing would get done.
- 11:29SPEAKER_00: And after those couple of weeks,
- 11:31SPEAKER_00: Eisencott,
- 11:32SPEAKER_00: as the guy with the second most votes,
- 11:34SPEAKER_00: would get a chance to try to form a government.
- 11:37SPEAKER_00: But he's already laying out parameters to really narrow Eisenkot's choices.
- 11:42SPEAKER_00: Before the voting,
- 11:44SPEAKER_00: Bibi said forthrightly that there's no way in God's green earth
- 11:49SPEAKER_00: the Palestinian Arab Israeli citizen should be anywhere near power,
- 11:53SPEAKER_00: that that is such a security risk.
- 11:55SPEAKER_00: He would never do that.
- 11:59SPEAKER_00: He's putting pressure on Eisenkot,
- 12:01SPEAKER_00: who said based upon Zionist parameters,
- 12:04SPEAKER_00: his word choice is there, they can't be in a government.
- 12:08SPEAKER_00: Slightly different language, Eisenkot seemed to be leaving open the door to a supply chain.
- 12:13SPEAKER_00: And I think that's what I'm saying.
- 12:32SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't know.
- 12:46SPEAKER_00: Not exactly raging doves.
- 12:49SPEAKER_00: After they won the 1973 war,
- 12:51SPEAKER_00: the Yom Kippur War,
- 12:52SPEAKER_00: they had been surprised by a day or two initially by Sadat and the Syrians.
- 12:58SPEAKER_00: And so although they beat them in the end,
- 13:00SPEAKER_00: the minute the war was over, they took responsibility.
- 13:02SPEAKER_00: I
- 13:05SPEAKER_00: mean, that's the pattern in Israeli politics that you kind of honorably fall on your sword.
- 13:10SPEAKER_00: Well, of course,
- 13:11SPEAKER_00: Bibi will be,
- 13:11SPEAKER_00: you know, carried away from the prime minister's office with claw marks on the wall.
- 13:16SPEAKER_00: That's not what he's going to do ever.
- 13:19SPEAKER_00: And so he wants to avoid this reckoning at all costs.
- 13:25SPEAKER_00: By laying down the parameters that anybody who would actually serve with them
- 13:29SPEAKER_00: or wink and nod at them is putting Israeli security second,
- 13:32SPEAKER_00: he's putting immense pressure on Eisenkot not to reach a deal with
- 13:37SPEAKER_00: the Palestinian Arabs.
- 13:38SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's the game he's played.
- 13:40SPEAKER_00: So the escape plan is this.
- 13:43SPEAKER_00: There's a stalemate.
- 13:44SPEAKER_00: You keep the stalemate going as long as possible.
- 13:48SPEAKER_00: You say Likud was the largest party and maybe the grouping got the largest percentage of seats.
- 13:53SPEAKER_00: So they get to try to form a government.
- 13:56SPEAKER_00: The Palestinian Arabs,
- 13:57SPEAKER_00: of course,
- 13:57SPEAKER_00: there's no hope of that, but it wastes time while he's still the caretaker.
- 14:02SPEAKER_00: It gives him a few weeks to ratchet up the rhetoric and And say to Eisenkot,
- 14:06SPEAKER_00: basically you're a traitor if you reach any sort of deal with him,
- 14:09SPEAKER_00: even if it's only a supply support deal with Ram and the other party from
- 14:14SPEAKER_00: the Palestinian Israeli citizens outside of that government.
- 14:19SPEAKER_00: So you make it almost impossible for him to do that.
- 14:22SPEAKER_00: And that's the key moment of political risk at the moment.
- 14:25SPEAKER_00: But while all this is going on,
- 14:27SPEAKER_00: and this is a matter of weeks now,
- 14:29SPEAKER_00: A political haggling for once, the guardian, the always wrong guardian.
- 14:33SPEAKER_00: If you throw enough darts to the wall, you're bound to hit something.
- 14:36SPEAKER_00: And for Archer Mandela,
- 14:37SPEAKER_00: Mandela's here with me in the studio today,
- 14:39SPEAKER_00: my faithful black cat who doesn't know the trauma he's in for as I'm about
- 14:43SPEAKER_00: to set sail for America this Saturday.
- 14:46SPEAKER_00: And we'll see you on the other end, both for the midterms and John's wedding.
- 14:50SPEAKER_00: It'll be great, great week, exciting times ahead, a lot to tell you about.
- 14:54SPEAKER_00: But ahead of that, I had to do this one.
- 14:57SPEAKER_00: So...
- 14:58SPEAKER_00: Bibi's in charge.
- 14:59SPEAKER_00: He's trying to narrow Eisenkot's ability to maneuver with the Palestinian Arabs.
- 15:03SPEAKER_00: And in between, what can happen?
- 15:07SPEAKER_00: Well, the United States and Israel could attack Iran again.
- 15:11SPEAKER_00: And I haven't brought this up because it's just rumor.
- 15:16SPEAKER_00: I try to leave that out.
- 15:17SPEAKER_00: Again, we need enough clarity in the community.
- 15:20SPEAKER_00: And I follow rumors all the time.
- 15:22SPEAKER_00: And I listen to rumors all the time.
- 15:23SPEAKER_00: And I weigh them up as a head of a political risk firm all the time.
- 15:27SPEAKER_00: Again, this is an art, not a science, but it is an art.
- 15:30SPEAKER_00: And some of us are Caravaggio and others of us are finger painting.
- 15:34SPEAKER_00: I leave you to sort out who's doing what here.
- 15:37SPEAKER_00: I'm Caravaggio without the murder.
- 15:40SPEAKER_00: But the reality is,
- 15:42SPEAKER_00: this rumor has been flying around DC that the midterms were likely to go badly
- 15:46SPEAKER_00: for Donald Trump, certainly the House long gone.
- 15:49SPEAKER_00: I mean, if you had to pick a number for the House,
- 15:51SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think the Cook Political Report's often pretty good.
- 15:54SPEAKER_00: And they say the Democrats...
- 15:55SPEAKER_00: Dems will get anywhere from 217 to 227.
- 15:58SPEAKER_00: That is on the high end of what you'd have expected before,
- 16:01SPEAKER_00: but I think the momentum is with the Dems.
- 16:03SPEAKER_00: We think, of course, the Senate is going to go as well.
- 16:07SPEAKER_00: If that's the case,
- 16:07SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is a disaster for the Republicans, but it does free President Trump.
- 16:12SPEAKER_00: Those last two years in foreign policy to pretty much do as he likes,
- 16:16SPEAKER_00: much as Bill Clinton tried to reach a deal with Yasser Arafat futilely best
- 16:20SPEAKER_00: as he could, though,
- 16:22SPEAKER_00: and Ronald Reagan successfully wound down the Cold War,
- 16:25SPEAKER_00: and his third term FDR prepared themselves.
- 16:27SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is what presidents do after they lose midterms is they focus on foreign policy.
- 16:34SPEAKER_00: And the rumor going around DC is that with that out of the way,
- 16:37SPEAKER_00: watch for Trump to ratchet things up with Iran again,
- 16:40SPEAKER_00: and there would be a further escalation.
- 16:42SPEAKER_00: Now, play this into what we're saying about Houdini's escape plan.
- 16:47SPEAKER_00: So there's been a stalemate.
- 16:49SPEAKER_00: He didn't form a coalition.
- 16:50SPEAKER_00: He's the caretaker.
- 16:52SPEAKER_00: He's narrowed Eisencott's choices,
- 16:54SPEAKER_00: and suddenly the war bursts into flame again with Israel and
- 16:59SPEAKER_00: the United States attacking Iran.
- 17:02SPEAKER_00: Hallelujah, if you're Bibi.
- 17:05SPEAKER_00: Under those conditions,
- 17:07SPEAKER_00: it's hard to see how Eisenkot could form a government,
- 17:10SPEAKER_00: even indirectly, with Palestinian Arab Israeli citizens.
- 17:15SPEAKER_00: It's hard to see how that would happen.
- 17:18SPEAKER_00: And yes,
- 17:18SPEAKER_00: there might have to be another election after the war had continued,
- 17:22SPEAKER_00: but that's down the pike.
- 17:24SPEAKER_00: Eisenkot can't form this indirect coalition with them because the Iran war flames up again.
- 17:32SPEAKER_00: That is why I've been bothering.
- 17:35SPEAKER_00: With this counterfactual, with this supposition.
- 17:38SPEAKER_00: If that all is true,
- 17:40SPEAKER_00: and if we're Bibi sitting today in Israel,
- 17:43SPEAKER_00: things look far better than you had any right for them to be.
- 17:46SPEAKER_00: And Harry Houdini, bye.
- 17:51SPEAKER_00: The skin of his teeth, I suppose, has just barely escaped yet again.
- 17:56SPEAKER_00: I can see,
- 17:57SPEAKER_00: doesn't mean it's going to happen,
- 17:58SPEAKER_00: we're not making a call about that,
- 18:00SPEAKER_00: but I can see the way forward if you're Bibi, which I hadn't up until now.
- 18:05SPEAKER_00: Sadly, it involves continuing a catastrophic war with Iran.
- 18:11SPEAKER_00: But frankly, I can see the end of the tunnel, the light there, if you're BB.
- 18:16SPEAKER_00: So everybody, hold on to your hats, as Betty Davis would say in All About Eve.
- 18:20SPEAKER_00: Fasten your seatbelts.
- 18:22SPEAKER_00: We're in for a bumpy ride.
- 18:24SPEAKER_00: Take care, everybody.
- 18:25SPEAKER_00: Please do give.
- 18:26SPEAKER_00: Again, tens and tens and tens of thousands of you are interested in what we're doing.
- 18:30SPEAKER_00: I think we were very good on Brazil.
- 18:33SPEAKER_00: I think we've been very good on this.
- 18:34SPEAKER_00: Please give us the 30 cents a day, the $100 a year.
- 18:37SPEAKER_00: Keep faith with us as we are with you, even as I'm trying to find time to pack.
- 18:42SPEAKER_00: Everybody take care.