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Credlin | 18 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kredland live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: We're going to a new week on Credlin sleeep Price
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Speaker 2: with you all week where a three day gab first
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Speaker 2: as Chris just told you, starts in Canberra tomorrow. It's
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Speaker 2: going to be the focus of a lot of attention.
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Speaker 2: But are the outcomes of foregone conclusion. We'll have to
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Speaker 2: wait and see. Here's what's coming up tonight on Kredlin
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Speaker 2: Freshom declaring his attention intention to recognize Palestine. Last week,
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Speaker 2: a Prime minister, riding high in the polls has used
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Speaker 2: his social media account if I'm reading this right, to
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Speaker 2: suggest Australians could be involved in a Ukraine peacekeeping force
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Speaker 2: in Ukraine facing off against the Russians. Chris Yilman first
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Speaker 2: up on that in just a moment. More on this
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Speaker 2: shortly and we'll catch up with the NATS. Doctor Anne Webster,
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Speaker 2: the member for the Malley, reports at the weekend that
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Speaker 2: the estimated cost of connecting Victoria's renewable energy zones has
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Speaker 2: almost doubled, now eight billion dollars, and the zones hosting
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Speaker 2: turbines and solar panels has been increased to near and
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Speaker 2: up eight percent of the state's land mass unbelievable. Also,
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Speaker 2: another violent home invasion in Melbourne over the weekend in
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Speaker 2: the suburb of q. You have to ask, when will
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Speaker 2: this terrorism, that's what it is, urban terrorism. When will
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Speaker 2: innocent people asleep in their beds be able to rest quietly?
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Speaker 2: When will the opposition be able to do something about it?
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Speaker 2: David Southwick will join me and the opulent Middle East
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Speaker 2: lifestyle of a convicted heroine trafficker Kazim Hamad hold Up
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Speaker 2: in Iraq, who is alleged to be the kingpin behind
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Speaker 2: Victoria's illicit tobacco crime wars. The Herald Sun reports he
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Speaker 2: seems completely untouchable. We'll look at that as well. But
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Speaker 2: first up tonight, as reported widely yesterday, some eye watering
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Speaker 2: figures and land grabs no one should have to put
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Speaker 2: up with in Australia and Victoria's uncontrollable and improbable headline
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Speaker 2: headfirst rush to replace reliable fossil fuel energy with renewables Now.
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Speaker 2: The Victorian Energy Minister is a woman called Lily d Ambrosio.
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Speaker 2: She holds extraordinary powers in the renewable space. Yesterday she
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Speaker 2: unveiled a widely contradictory cost estimate and confess the footprint
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Speaker 2: turbines and panels and transmission lines will actually occupy is
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Speaker 2: nearly eight percent of Victoria's land mass eight percent. She
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Speaker 2: was releasing the Victorian Transmission Plan, which outlines the designated
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Speaker 2: renewable energy zones and transmission lines to be forced into
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Speaker 2: regional and rural Victoria over the next fifteen years. Similar
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Speaker 2: zones exist in every state and territory, and we learned
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Speaker 2: yesterday the footprint of those zones has quietly been increased
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Speaker 2: to sit by seven point nine percent of Victoria's land mass.
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Speaker 2: I mean that's huge. The total costs and this is
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Speaker 2: where the rubber it's the road or should I say
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Speaker 2: the cement and steal hit the paddocks has risen from
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Speaker 2: listen to these figures and think, well, it'll do to
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Speaker 2: your power bill. By the way, it's risen from four
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Speaker 2: point three billion to seven point nine billion dollars. Let's
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Speaker 2: call it eight billion. After all, what's one hundred million
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Speaker 2: dollars between friends who in their right mind really thinks
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Speaker 2: it will top out at that. I mean, it'll be
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Speaker 2: much more expensive. And yesterday a rare admission from the
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Speaker 2: government estimating that the transmission charge on bills will rise
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Speaker 2: by fourteen dollars a year for every household and twenty
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Speaker 2: dollars for small businesses between twenty twenty nine and twenty fifty,
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Speaker 2: or whatever happened to renewal has been the cheapest form
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Speaker 2: of energy. That's the mantra we keep hearing. Ambrosio's release
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Speaker 2: buried on a cold Sunday afternoon in a sportsmed Melbourne. Interestingly,
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Speaker 2: she went on to make wild claims about creating sixty
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Speaker 2: seven thousand jobs, hinting many of those jobs will be
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Speaker 2: in regional Victoria. Well, you bet they will, whether the
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Speaker 2: countryfolk want those jobs or not. I mean, take a
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Speaker 2: project in the Wimmera where two zones are being combined
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Speaker 2: with a footprint of sixty eight percent bigger than first
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Speaker 2: thought sixty eight percent. One southwest zone will be nine
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Speaker 2: percent bigger, and we had this estimate. By twenty forty,
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Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty thousand hectares in Victoria alone will
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Speaker 2: host renewables. Now, this is a state with massive gas reserves,
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Speaker 2: untapped brown coal resources that usually don't have to use
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Speaker 2: agricultural land. This is madness, beyond belief, beyond comprehension to
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Speaker 2: suggest anger in the bush's peaking is an understatement. Let
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Speaker 2: me tell you. Even if some farmers will be paid
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Speaker 2: eight thousand dollars a kilometer every year for twenty five
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Speaker 2: years for hosting transmission lines, of course that cost goes
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Speaker 2: straight on your power bill. But when your livelihood as
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Speaker 2: a farmer is raising and growing food, many of these
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Speaker 2: farmers will refuse access. And what happens then, well, they
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Speaker 2: risk fines of up to twelve hundred dollars or potentially
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Speaker 2: a jail term. I'll talk to the Nats and Webster shortly.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Camber now Spring of politics with tonight's
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Speaker 2: political headlines, Sky News political reporter Rubinspago.
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Speaker 3: The Government is launching its three day Economic Roundtable in Canberra.
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Speaker 3: Australia's stark productivity slump is looming over the Treasurer as
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Speaker 3: he tries to turn the corner and shake off a
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Speaker 3: flagging economy. The summit will bring together a mix of
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Speaker 3: leaders from business unions and economic experts. I have realistic
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Speaker 3: expectations about the next few days, but I'm optimistic as well.
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Speaker 2: I'm optimistic that there is an appetite for reform.
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Speaker 3: The roundtable will set the government's course on budget sustainability,
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Speaker 3: economic resilience and productivity. Participants will sift through more than
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Speaker 3: nine hundred public submissions weighing tax reform against the need
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Speaker 3: for spending restraint. The government's largest budget pressure is the
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Speaker 3: forty six billion dollar NDIS program.
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Speaker 4: One in six boys age six years old on it
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Speaker 4: sounds odd, sounds out of whack.
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Speaker 1: Are the medical professionals maybe getting it wrong in some
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Speaker 1: of the.
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Speaker 5: I think the system of the clear lea diagnosis needs
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Speaker 5: to be looked at. We need to make sure the
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Speaker 5: systems sustainable.
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Speaker 3: Eighty thousand people joined in the last twelve months. Almost
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Speaker 3: seven hundred and forty thousand Australians benefit in total. Cutting
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Speaker 3: red tape is one of the few ideas likely to
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Speaker 3: attract broad consensus. The Government's Productivity Commission says regulation is
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Speaker 3: dampening growth. Business groups agree we.
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Speaker 6: Have become a costly, complex and cumbersome economy in which
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Speaker 6: to operate.
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Speaker 3: The Treasurer must improve productivity to boost business profits, lower
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Speaker 3: consumer prices and increase wages.
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Speaker 2: God Tonnie Ruben, thank you very much for that. As
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Speaker 2: you saw there. The Prime Minister was just after lunchtime today,
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Speaker 2: interviewed by Kieran Gilbert on Sky and he was asked
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Speaker 2: about Australia's contribution to peacekeeping efforts in Ukraine. Now, obviously
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Speaker 2: he's joined this coalition of the Willing. Here's what the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister told Kieran earlier.
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Speaker 5: Australia has participated with the rest of the democratic world
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Speaker 5: in providing military support. If there is a peace and
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Speaker 5: if there is a global response to that in the
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Speaker 5: form of peacekeeping, then we would consider any proposal at
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Speaker 5: the time that would be a matter for the Cabinet.
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Speaker 2: Joining me in now, Creven Regular and Sky News political
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Speaker 2: contributor Chris Human, Chris, great to catch up with you, mate.
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Speaker 2: That's the first time I think I've heard the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister say that if there's a peacekeeping force that goes
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Speaker 2: into Ukraine, if there is a peace deal worked out
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Speaker 2: between Russia and Ukraine, that we'd be part of it.
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Speaker 2: Should I be surprised about that? I thought that we
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Speaker 2: were going to keep our boots on the ground out
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Speaker 2: of there. Steve.
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Speaker 4: Look, I think the Prime Minister has not in that
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Speaker 4: direction before, but there's a pretty big hurdle to clear
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Speaker 4: before that. If you're talking about blue helmeted peacekeepers un forces,
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Speaker 4: then you're talking about it having to go through the
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Speaker 4: Security Council. Of course, Russia sits on the Security Council,
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Speaker 4: of China sits on the Security Council, so it wouldn't
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Speaker 4: be you and peace keeping force of any kind of teeth,
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Speaker 4: and you don't want that kind of force in your country.
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Speaker 4: What the Ukrainians want. I know because when I was
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Speaker 4: there more than two years ago now, as Americans on
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Speaker 4: the ground inside the borders of Ukraine, that was the
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Speaker 4: only way they believed that they could possibly be safe
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Speaker 4: from Russia. After this, don't forget Australia does actually train
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Speaker 4: Ukrainian forces. At the moment, we have provided them with
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Speaker 4: lethal kit so Australia has been on board in Ukraine's defense.
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Speaker 4: But I note when the Primeister speaks about this, he
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Speaker 4: never mentions the elephant in the room, and that is
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Speaker 4: the force that's been keeping a Russia float or the
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Speaker 4: country that's been doing it's been China talks about the
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Speaker 4: stability of the world, China has been buying Russian oil
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Speaker 4: that's financed Russia's fight against Ukraine. And there's credible evidence
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Speaker 4: that Chinese are assisting in other ways in military way.
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Speaker 4: Through Dueli used technologies. So if we're going to basically
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Speaker 4: have a long hard look at Russia in the way
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Speaker 4: that's behaving and worry about the world order, then we
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Speaker 4: should be very very worried about what China.
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Speaker 2: Has to do in all of that.
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Speaker 4: But of course Australia will never raise its voice on
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Speaker 4: that front.
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Speaker 2: You and i've been round long enough to know we've
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Speaker 2: got a rich history in peacekeeping. And I had a
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Speaker 2: quick look up at this afternoon about how many places
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Speaker 2: we've been throughout the world over the years. I think
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Speaker 2: the last place was Cyprus, and we have used not
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Speaker 2: just Australian military troops, we've used police as well, and
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Speaker 2: I guess the most famous recent peacekeeping action was in
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Speaker 2: each team or there still would be some disquiet, I
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Speaker 2: believe within the public that we get that involved in
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Speaker 2: something like this on the other side of the world. Remember, Chris,
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Speaker 2: before we got out of Afghanistan, there was a lot
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Speaker 2: of pressure on the politicians to bring our soldiers home
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Speaker 2: from that conflict. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I think, though, Steve, you find that most of our
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Speaker 4: support for these things has been largely symbolic in places
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Speaker 4: where we really thought that it was going to matter,
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Speaker 4: where we thought that our troops might be in some
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Speaker 4: kind of danger. So yes, I think there would be
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Speaker 4: a hurdle with the public there. I'd like to think
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Speaker 4: that there would be Australians would be well disposed to Ukraine,
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Speaker 4: because I do think that there is a case to
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Speaker 4: be made Anthony Albanezy was making is that we should
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Speaker 4: stand against our country literally just ripping away territory from
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Speaker 4: another country unprovoked, which is what we have.
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Speaker 7: Seen with Russia.
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Speaker 4: But this has a long way to go before we
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Speaker 4: get to peacekeepers on the ground.
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Speaker 2: I think, Steve, we'll get to Donald Trump's meeting in
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Speaker 2: a moment. You have been to Ukraine? Are you still
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Speaker 2: when you look back at the visit there and then
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Speaker 2: think about what's happened since and what's happened in all
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Speaker 2: these years? This conflict's been going a maze that Ukraine's
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Speaker 2: been out to hang on. I mean, in the first
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Speaker 2: week Plutin said he would take three days to get
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Speaker 2: to Kiev.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been remarkable, and the remarkable thing has been
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Speaker 4: the result of the Ukrainian people. And I don't think
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Speaker 4: that everything that v Loti Meslensky has done has been
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Speaker 4: on point, but I will say this, it was his
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Speaker 4: decision to stand and fight and not accept a free
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Speaker 4: pass out of the country which was offered to him,
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Speaker 4: which helped the people stand and fight. But don't forget
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Speaker 4: they'd been preparing, because of course they'd seen the attack
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Speaker 4: on Crimea. They had actually been preparing their defense forces.
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Speaker 4: And one of the things that they had was a
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Speaker 4: resilient public. If you wanted it, you could go to
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Speaker 4: a police station and get a gun on day one
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Speaker 4: and go to the front line and fight. And that's
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Speaker 4: what the people of Ukraine did. I think they are inspirational,
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Speaker 4: but now they're negotiating from very difficult circumstances, and at
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Speaker 4: the moment they're not being negotiated with.
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Speaker 2: They're being talked.
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Speaker 4: About by the United States and Russia.
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Speaker 2: That Zelenski's in the White House tomorrow. He's taken some
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Speaker 2: European support with him. Now obviously he's got France, within
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Speaker 2: the UK, Germany and the leader of the European Commission.
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Speaker 2: I presume that's to give him some muscle in the
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Speaker 2: meeting to avoid perhaps another dressing down by Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: and in the Oval Office. Do you think we're any
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Speaker 2: closer really, realistically, Chris, to get into some sort of
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Speaker 2: peace deal without Ukraine losing some of the territory that
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Speaker 2: Putin's already taken.
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Speaker 4: I think that's precisely what Donald Trump will offer him,
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Speaker 4: is that it's not just the front line that we've
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Speaker 4: see now, which is not in Ukraine's favor, it's beyond
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Speaker 4: that front line to take a large part of the
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Speaker 4: territory of Ukraine, which is something that's a lot of
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Speaker 4: Zelenski would never be able to give up. I mean,
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Speaker 4: he'd be completely crippled at home if he gave up
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Speaker 4: too much of Ukraine's territory. So now he's between a
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Speaker 4: rock and a very very hard place. The pressure being
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Speaker 4: put on him the United Front, from Ukraine are from
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Speaker 4: the Europeans is to try and put pressure back on
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Speaker 4: the President of the United States to not make demands
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Speaker 4: which are completely untenable to the people of Ukraine and
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Speaker 4: to the government of Ukraine.
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Speaker 2: Talking earlier at start of the program about renewable energy,
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Speaker 2: we've got blue Scope Steel I know today and the
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Speaker 2: boss of blue Scope, their CEO, Mark Vassella, was on
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Speaker 2: with the Ross Greenwood, but he said we've got to
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Speaker 2: have a gas reserve policy. He said Australia's manufacturing is
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Speaker 2: quote at a tipping point due to unsustainable energy costs.
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Speaker 2: Bascella says that while a company wholeheartedly endorses Labour's future
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Speaker 2: Made in Australia, the policy will not exist without immediate
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Speaker 2: intervention in the East Coast gas market. I mean, surely
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Speaker 2: that's got to be a gender item number one at
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Speaker 2: this round table gabfest that starts tomorrow.
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Speaker 4: And Steve should have been for ages. I mean it
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Speaker 4: was obvious for the people who are developing the government's
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Speaker 4: own plan that would not function without fifteen gigawatts of gas.
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Speaker 4: Now that's a big number, so let's put it into
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Speaker 4: some kind of perspective. A gigawatt is enough to run
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Speaker 4: a city of one million people, because to try and
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Speaker 4: run the sort of system the government is talking about,
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Speaker 4: you essentially need one hundred percent back up from some
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Speaker 4: kind of fuel which can function when the sun is
14:19
Speaker 4: not shining and the wind is not blowing. And the
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Speaker 4: reason the government hasn't actually backed that all up with
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Speaker 4: batteries is because then the cost of it would run
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Speaker 4: into the trillions of dollars. And the same people who
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Speaker 4: designed this policy were the same people who were demonizing gas,
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Speaker 4: particularly in New South Wales. And Victoria. In Victoria they
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Speaker 4: made it actually impossible to explore for gas. In New
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Speaker 4: South Wales, they made it functionally impossible to get gas
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Speaker 4: out of the ground, and yet gas exists in both
14:44
Speaker 4: those places. So this is a completely contrived political crisis
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Speaker 4: brought about by the people who are transitioning our energy system,
14:52
Speaker 4: who have no idea how energy systems run, and they
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Speaker 4: prove that on almost a daily basis. There is only
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Speaker 4: one end in all of them.
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Speaker 2: This is that Australia will.
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Speaker 4: De industrialize and we will not be able to afford
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Speaker 4: electricity and that will fall hardest on the poor.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure I read it the weekend Chris
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Speaker 2: that only Woodside are at that table this week. But
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Speaker 2: you've got agencies that are involved in conservation, the Australian
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Speaker 2: Conservation Group are there, but only one of our mining giants.
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Speaker 2: I started the show with Victoria's energy transmission. You know
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Speaker 2: this better than anybody. It's now doubled in price, blowing
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Speaker 2: out to nearly eight billion dollars. It's going to cover
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Speaker 2: something like two hundred and twenty thousand hectares. The Energy
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Speaker 2: Minister said high energy bill prices will pay off in
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Speaker 2: the long run. I mean the costs of this stuff.
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Speaker 2: It's gone from four to eight billion in the last year.
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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.
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Speaker 4: That's precisely right, in one year, Steve. And that price
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Speaker 4: will continue to rise because all of the inputs into
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Speaker 4: building that thing will continue to rise. As costs spiral,
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Speaker 4: so will your electricity bill because people may not be
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Speaker 4: aware of it. When this infrastructure is built, particularly transmission lines,
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Speaker 4: they get what's called a regulated rate of return. So
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Speaker 4: over the next twenty five years, the cost of these
16:13
Speaker 4: rising prices will be written into your bills for the
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Speaker 4: next twenty five years. And we've only just begun to
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Speaker 4: see the beginning of it. And what was the promise
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Speaker 4: of all this, Steve, that it would be greener and
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Speaker 4: that it would be cheaper. Well, it's certainly not now
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Speaker 4: and not ever going to be cheaper. It's going to
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Speaker 4: be ridiculously expensive and it will need by twenty sixty
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Speaker 4: how much land Around about one point seven times the
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Speaker 4: size of Tasmania will be the land that's required across
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Speaker 4: Australia to put the wind turbines and the solar panels in. Now,
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Speaker 4: when the Australian people start to consider a future where
16:44
Speaker 4: the motif of Australia. You will what will define our
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Speaker 4: landscape will be turbines from one end of the country
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Speaker 4: to the other. On what planet is that green? And
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Speaker 4: here's the question, Steve, why is it that the Conservation
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Speaker 4: Council and the Wildern Society and others have sayed so
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Speaker 4: remarkably silent about what is a massive imposition on the
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Speaker 4: environment in Australia. Is their money going into those organizations
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Speaker 4: from people who have interests in wind turbines and solar panels.
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Speaker 4: I think that's a pretty fair question.
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Speaker 2: Very fair question and a grim look into the future. Ah,
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Speaker 2: was a great pleasure to catch up. Chris. Good on
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Speaker 2: your mate, Chris, yourman. Be back with us next Monday.
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Speaker 2: Now after the break, As I said, the Victorian government
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Speaker 2: growing fast, growing pressure to fast track these machette bands.
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Speaker 2: Now there was a shocking home invasion at the weekend.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk to the opposition about that. Plus the exiled
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Speaker 2: crime boss speaking of crime earning millions of dollars from
17:40
Speaker 2: the illicit tobacco trade. Coming up. Welcome back Toe Price
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Speaker 2: with you filling in for Peter. I'll be here all
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Speaker 2: week now. Lots of committees around Australia. As we know
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Speaker 2: dealing with the effects of youth crime crisis. It is
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Speaker 2: often driven I believe by social media bragging on their
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Speaker 2: phoneans and the scourge of drugs of course, particularly methan, fetamine, ice,
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Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. On top of politically correct magistrates,
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Speaker 2: they're a problem and of course weak bail laws. Now,
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Speaker 2: every time we have one of these waves of violent crime,
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Speaker 2: there's one incident that defines it and it could have
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Speaker 2: happened last weekend in Melbourne. A father has been allegedly
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Speaker 2: stabbed eleven times in the head by machette wielding thugs
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Speaker 2: during a terrifying home invasion which took place on Sunday
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Speaker 2: in the very conservative soburber Q. A twenty four year
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Speaker 2: old man, as well as two teenagers, one aged sixteen
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Speaker 2: to one age seventeen, have been charged with offences. So
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Speaker 2: that includes aggravated home invasion and intentionally causing serious injuries.
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Speaker 2: So we can't go into the full detail of what occurred.
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Speaker 2: Two other offenders are still on the run as of today.
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Speaker 2: Joining me in our Victoria Shadow Police Minister David Southwick,
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Speaker 2: good to catch up with you again, David Tougher. Bail
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Speaker 2: laws a machette selling band and a machete carrying band,
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Speaker 2: all from September one, none of it making much difference.
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Speaker 2: Why we wait until September one to make it an
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Speaker 2: offense to wander around the street carrying a machete.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, look, great question, Stephen, Just on that report that
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Speaker 6: you mentioned. Sadly in Victoria, the one place where you
19:19
Speaker 6: think you would be safe but you can't in your
19:21
Speaker 6: own home. It's it's just appalling the way that government
19:25
Speaker 6: has turned their backs on safety in Victoria. This machete
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Speaker 6: ban is a classic example of a government that can't
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Speaker 6: manage anything. The ban after four calls to actually ban it,
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Speaker 6: spanning over two years, which we've been trying to do,
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Speaker 6: finally we get the band in March to come into
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Speaker 6: play September with an amnesty that will finally kick into November.
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Speaker 6: So this is just far too long, and the cleanest
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Speaker 6: and quickest way to do this is an immediate ban
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Speaker 6: and a double of sentence for those people being caught
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Speaker 6: with a machete. Scheties are rampant on the streets and
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Speaker 6: the government has done nothing to take them off the streets.
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Speaker 2: So what about this crazy idea that in two weeks,
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Speaker 2: We're going to set up machete bins outside police stations
20:12
Speaker 2: with CCTV cameras pointed at them. The bins may or
20:16
Speaker 2: may not be actually chained down. Who's going to turn
20:19
Speaker 2: up knowing the police or watching them from inside the
20:21
Speaker 2: police station to put a machete in that bin?
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Speaker 6: Well, on top of that, Steve, these bins cost thirteen
20:28
Speaker 6: million dollars. That's three hundred and twenty five thousand dollars
20:31
Speaker 6: a bin. What so as you say, I don't think
20:33
Speaker 6: there's too many criminals that are, on one hand, going
20:37
Speaker 6: into somebody's home in the middle of the night with
20:39
Speaker 6: a machete, is going to on their way home drop
20:42
Speaker 6: the machete into a police station into one of these bins.
20:45
Speaker 6: It's a crazy idea. I mean, it's again a government
20:48
Speaker 6: that has no idea in terms of managing the crime
20:52
Speaker 6: crisis that we're experiencing.
20:53
Speaker 7: Victoria.
20:54
Speaker 6: We just need a simple plan, get them off the streets.
20:57
Speaker 6: No more delays and no more stupid ideas. They're just
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Speaker 6: wasting taxpayers money.
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Speaker 2: Well, these people don't even care. If you've got you
21:05
Speaker 2: can cover your house with cameras and alarms. They don't care.
21:08
Speaker 2: They're not afraid of police detection. They walk in, get
21:11
Speaker 2: inside the house, wander around and do what they want.
21:14
Speaker 2: Can we expect the new Police Commissioner of Victoria, Mike Bush,
21:17
Speaker 2: to do some more. I mean, I don't expect you
21:20
Speaker 2: to climb into him, but I want to hear from him.
21:24
Speaker 2: He's invisible. Why is he not out after what happened
21:27
Speaker 2: in Q at the weekend saying what's going to do
21:29
Speaker 2: about it?
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Speaker 6: Well, the premier hasn't been out either. We need more
21:34
Speaker 6: boots on the ground. That was the promise that the
21:36
Speaker 6: commissioner said was going to happen. We're two thousand police short.
21:40
Speaker 6: That means police are only reacting rather than being proactive.
21:43
Speaker 6: And where there's hotspots, we need patrols. We need police
21:46
Speaker 6: stopping the crimes from happening in the first place. That
21:49
Speaker 6: would be a big start. Also, consequences for these people
21:53
Speaker 6: that are caught the revolving door of crime when police
21:56
Speaker 6: are doing the best they can, only to find that
21:58
Speaker 6: somebody's let out on bail within twenty four hours. Committee
22:02
Speaker 6: more crimes. These dangerous thugs that going to the homes
22:06
Speaker 6: with a machete, threatening the lives of individuals, traumatizing those
22:10
Speaker 6: families forever. They should be locked up, very simple, No
22:14
Speaker 6: is no butts. There needs to be consequences and that
22:17
Speaker 6: is not happening in Victoria. And the government needs to lead.
22:19
Speaker 6: The government needs to show leadership. Yes, we want to
22:22
Speaker 6: hear from the commissioner. We want more boots on the ground,
22:24
Speaker 6: but we need more money, more resources and more consequences
22:27
Speaker 6: and that's something the government could do right now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we don't need a government. It's too afraid
22:33
Speaker 2: to lock up young offenders. That's part of the problem.
22:36
Speaker 2: Just before you go news out late today, Tony Burke,
22:39
Speaker 2: Home Affairs Minister, he's canceled the visa to come here
22:43
Speaker 2: of an Israeli Kanesset member who's a chair of a
22:46
Speaker 2: law and Justice committee. It was canceled at the last minute.
22:50
Speaker 2: Now Tony Burke has cited allegations that he was coming
22:53
Speaker 2: to come here to spread hate and division. My understanding
22:57
Speaker 2: he was coming here to talk to Jewish groups. What
22:59
Speaker 2: do you know of this person and what do you
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Speaker 2: make of this decision?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, being a state MP, I can't really comment
23:07
Speaker 6: on the details there, only to say that last line
23:10
Speaker 6: which were cited about hate and division. Every time the
23:14
Speaker 6: federal government chopping to Israel. The Jewish community here ends
23:20
Speaker 6: up bearing the brunt. And that's what we see in
23:22
Speaker 6: terms of hate and anti Semitism, the hat and divisions
23:25
Speaker 6: happening on our streets. And that is the result of
23:29
Speaker 6: terrible foreign policy, including obviously back in the Palestinian State
23:34
Speaker 6: and having Hamas as the cheerleader. This is not helping
23:38
Speaker 6: certainly many of our Jewish community that are being traumatized
23:40
Speaker 6: at the moment. As you know, Victoria has become the
23:43
Speaker 6: hate state, and that is because you've got governments, both
23:46
Speaker 6: federal and state doing nothing to support the Jewish community.
23:49
Speaker 6: And I'm sure this will probably add more fuel to
23:51
Speaker 6: the fire.
23:54
Speaker 2: Well, it was a pleasure to catch up, David, Thank
23:56
Speaker 2: you very much. Pleas I want to stick on the
23:57
Speaker 2: crime issue front page of the Hero Underday US that
24:00
Speaker 2: an exile crime king pin, bloke by the name of
24:03
Speaker 2: Kazem Hammad is reportedly expecting to make a billion dollars
24:08
Speaker 2: one billion dollars out of Victoria's elicit tobacco trade. Now
24:12
Speaker 2: this is despite the fact that he's not even in
24:14
Speaker 2: the country. A police source has tied the Herald sonuit
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Speaker 2: he's trying to dominate the market that is the most
24:20
Speaker 2: dominant at the moment, which is tobacco. Joining me now
24:23
Speaker 2: former Australian Federal Police Detective Superintendent David Craig David Good
24:28
Speaker 2: to catch up underworld. Sources believe this blokes power and
24:31
Speaker 2: wealth dwarfs the likes of people you and I know,
24:34
Speaker 2: well Tony Mockbell and Carl Williams. How's he allowed to
24:38
Speaker 2: get away with doing what he's doing?
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Speaker 1: Well, Hi, Steph, Hello everyone. Look, I don't think he's
24:44
Speaker 1: being allowed to get away with it. He's just worked
24:46
Speaker 1: through a loophole. I mean, we deported this clown out
24:49
Speaker 1: of our country, but unfortunately the remnants of his organization
24:53
Speaker 1: is still very active here and fall under his domain.
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Speaker 2: So he lives, he said, living in Iraq, travels regularly
25:02
Speaker 2: in a gated community, travels regularly to places as I
25:05
Speaker 2: understand it, and Herald's unreported pictures of this today, the UAE,
25:09
Speaker 2: which I think is you know, somebody like Dubai and
25:12
Speaker 2: to Turkey, apparently to a place called Bodrum. I guess
25:16
Speaker 2: we've got, David, no extradition treaty with any of those places,
25:19
Speaker 2: is that right?
25:20
Speaker 1: No, Actually, Steve, we do have an extradition treaty with
25:24
Speaker 1: the UAE and also with Turkey, which we can act on.
25:27
Speaker 1: The question in my mind would be, do we want
25:30
Speaker 1: to actually actually bring this person back to our justice
25:32
Speaker 1: system again so then we can deport him again, or
25:35
Speaker 1: do we spend those resources on to cut off his
25:38
Speaker 1: access to the illegal gains coming out of Australia and
25:41
Speaker 1: the people that are working for him in Australia, if
25:43
Speaker 1: they can be deported, let's move them on as well.
25:48
Speaker 2: Well. That was going to be my next question. How
25:49
Speaker 2: would Hammad be cashing in allegedly getting his profits out
25:54
Speaker 2: of Australia. Now we know tobacco and illegal tobacco and
25:58
Speaker 2: the bringing that in ille into the country's a massive industry,
26:02
Speaker 2: but how does he get the cash back?
26:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, good question, Steve. And this has gone on with
26:08
Speaker 1: organized crime, international organized crime for decades, but it's just
26:11
Speaker 1: modernizing all the time, so they are still there are
26:14
Speaker 1: still cash couriers that will carry large amounts of cash
26:17
Speaker 1: on consignment on a percentage basis. However, talking about the
26:21
Speaker 1: amount of cash that Kazam has access to, that would
26:25
Speaker 1: be out of the question, although I would expect that
26:27
Speaker 1: he's diversified his money laundering efforts and that would be
26:30
Speaker 1: one method he would rely upon. The other is the
26:33
Speaker 1: traditional Middle Easternhwala banking system where money isn't actually transferred
26:38
Speaker 1: across international line so it stays below the radar of
26:41
Speaker 1: the monitoring of the local governments. And also what I
26:46
Speaker 1: highly suspect is occurring in this case is cryptocurrency mass
26:51
Speaker 1: crypto being transferred into his wallet or wallets of his
26:55
Speaker 1: associates in the Middle East directly from Australia. Very very
26:58
Speaker 1: hard to police that.
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Speaker 2: Just before you go last year, I was trying into
27:03
Speaker 2: former police Commissioner in Victoria, Shane Patton. He said, you know,
27:07
Speaker 2: tobacco is one of the biggest issues they've got. The
27:09
Speaker 2: burning down and tobacco shops obviously is a major crime.
27:13
Speaker 2: But he said, look, they get involved in importing illegally
27:18
Speaker 2: into Australia chop chop or illegal tobacco because the punishment
27:22
Speaker 2: for doing that is much less if they're importing stuff
27:25
Speaker 2: like methan, fetamine or cocaine.
27:28
Speaker 1: Well that's right, Steve, I mean the penalties are less
27:31
Speaker 1: and the profits are higher at the moment, and why
27:34
Speaker 1: wouldn't you go to a softer market, which is exactly
27:36
Speaker 1: what these people are doing going to elicit market of tobacco.
27:41
Speaker 1: One thing I'd like to say, Steve, is that Australia
27:44
Speaker 1: is actually a signatory to the Prevention of the Sorry,
27:49
Speaker 1: the Prevention of Elicit Tobacco Goods Act. Signatory to that
27:54
Speaker 1: with the World Health Organization. Sorry, we actually signed that
27:59
Speaker 1: on the in twenty thirteen. It came into power two
28:02
Speaker 1: years ago in September twenty twenty three, and today. The
28:07
Speaker 1: main thrust of that agreement is to have a track
28:10
Speaker 1: and trace system, so so that tobacco products could be
28:14
Speaker 1: tracked from manufacture to point of sale. That allows law
28:18
Speaker 1: enforcement multiple access points. That allows us to monitor the
28:22
Speaker 1: illegal bleed between illegal markets and legal markets. It allows
28:27
Speaker 1: us to not just pro to guess what's happening in
28:31
Speaker 1: the marketplace, but to proactively plan interventions to stop this. Now,
28:37
Speaker 1: this government has done nothing to actually start this. It's
28:39
Speaker 1: in law. They have it in the UK, they have
28:42
Speaker 1: it in Europe and a number of other countries. Australia
28:45
Speaker 1: simply hasn't done that.
28:48
Speaker 2: Well, they need to. David, All was great to catch up,
28:49
Speaker 2: thank you very much. Now coming up after the break,
28:52
Speaker 2: Victorian farmers I said they're going to fight back against
28:55
Speaker 2: the state government's renewable energy zones as they should, plus
28:59
Speaker 2: the controversial you won't believe this for a green energy
29:02
Speaker 2: hub of all places on the nulliball plane. Welcome back
29:11
Speaker 2: that mad scheme on the nullaboar in a moment. But
29:13
Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier the start of the program. The weekend
29:16
Speaker 2: the Victorian government released its new transmission plan that it
29:19
Speaker 2: says will help us reach renewable energy targets. You know
29:22
Speaker 2: those targets the experts are warning us are unreachable. Victoria. Well,
29:26
Speaker 2: they want to get to sixty five percent renewable by
29:29
Speaker 2: twenty thirty and ninety five percent by twenty thirty five.
29:33
Speaker 2: It's just extraordinary. Dr and Webster is the Federal Nationals
29:36
Speaker 2: MP for the Mallee and she today met with some
29:39
Speaker 2: farmers at a place called Manu, which is smack bang
29:42
Speaker 2: inside one of those two Western renewable energy zones. She
29:46
Speaker 2: joins us now, Dr Webster, great to talk to you.
29:50
Speaker 2: Lily di Ambrosio on a Sunday late footies on no
29:54
Speaker 2: One's listening to politics, decides to tell us all that
29:57
Speaker 2: her renewable plan is going to cost eight billion, not
30:00
Speaker 2: four billion, and that we're now going to expand these zones,
30:04
Speaker 2: some of them, you know, twice as big as what
30:06
Speaker 2: we thought they were going to be. What's the anger
30:08
Speaker 2: like out there?
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Speaker 8: The anger is palpable. There is no two ways about that, Steve.
30:16
Speaker 8: I've met with these community groups across Maley many many
30:19
Speaker 8: times now. The story does not get better. And I
30:22
Speaker 8: think if we put into the mix the reality, and
30:26
Speaker 8: I noted Chris Elman said it before, the cost is
30:29
Speaker 8: just going to keep going up and up and up.
30:31
Speaker 8: And I think until city folks really understand the cost
30:35
Speaker 8: of transmission lines on their power bills for the next
30:38
Speaker 8: ten years, twenty five years, we are going to continue
30:43
Speaker 8: to be rolled over in the regions. We need our
30:46
Speaker 8: city people to really understand what's going on here. Bris
30:50
Speaker 8: Mountain from the Victorian Energy Center policy professor. He estimates
30:56
Speaker 8: it's actually going to go up to twenty eight billion
30:58
Speaker 8: dollars cost over this next time decade. And you know,
31:02
Speaker 8: Victorian government comes out and says, oh, we will save
31:04
Speaker 8: you twenty dollars a year if you're a consumer at home,
31:08
Speaker 8: or maybe thirty dollars if you're a business. These are
31:13
Speaker 8: ludicrous figures. I don't think anyone can believe a word
31:17
Speaker 8: that Lily dan Brosio says about the energy plan, and
31:21
Speaker 8: there is a lot of resentment and an absolute determination
31:26
Speaker 8: to stand their ground and not allow this to go
31:29
Speaker 8: ahead on their properties.
31:32
Speaker 2: I know the Sunday Age, yes that I don't know
31:35
Speaker 2: quite why I buy the Sunday Age, but I did.
31:38
Speaker 2: They made the point at the end of that story
31:40
Speaker 2: that farmers can earn up to eight thousand dollars a
31:44
Speaker 2: kilometer for twenty five years every year if they have
31:50
Speaker 2: a transmission line on their property. Is that right? And
31:54
Speaker 2: if it is, are the farmers then some of them
31:58
Speaker 2: taking that, and then that's dividing the because others don't
32:01
Speaker 2: want to.
32:03
Speaker 8: Well, I think the point here is that farmers not
32:06
Speaker 8: being given the option. So if the government Vicgrid in
32:10
Speaker 8: this instance, determines that the V and I West or
32:14
Speaker 8: the Western renewable Link will be going through your land,
32:18
Speaker 8: you don't get an option. What they are saying to
32:21
Speaker 8: farmers is if you bolt your gates and we have
32:24
Speaker 8: to open them and you don't want us on your property,
32:28
Speaker 8: you can be fined up to twelve thousand dollars, and
32:32
Speaker 8: if you're a corporate organization, up to forty eight thousand dollars.
32:36
Speaker 8: For not allowing vicgrid onto your property. So it's a threat.
32:41
Speaker 8: What they're planning on earning over this next period of
32:44
Speaker 8: time is a little bit like the wind towers which
32:47
Speaker 8: I heard yesterday someone was being offered sixty thousand dollars
32:50
Speaker 8: a year. Let's remember that that is for the maximum
32:54
Speaker 8: period of twenty years and at the end of that
32:57
Speaker 8: the decommissioning cost, let alone the environmental issues. The decommissioning
33:02
Speaker 8: cost in Queensland right now is a million dollars per turbine.
33:06
Speaker 8: I did have one farmer say to me when I
33:09
Speaker 8: said to him, will you know, how do you feel
33:10
Speaker 8: about that your kids or your grandkids might end up paying?
33:13
Speaker 8: He said, oh, well, you know that's their problem. I think,
33:16
Speaker 8: you know, people have more decency than that. Most of
33:19
Speaker 8: the farmers that I talk to, you know, I would
33:21
Speaker 8: say ninety five percent of them are dead against all
33:24
Speaker 8: of this renewable really to roll them out of farming.
33:30
Speaker 2: Well, the ambrosio has got far too much power. I mean,
33:33
Speaker 2: she can tell a local councilor local shire, well bad luck.
33:37
Speaker 2: I'm going there whether you want me to be there
33:39
Speaker 2: or not. And you've got no way of fighting against this.
33:43
Speaker 2: We're going to do it. I mean that is an
33:45
Speaker 2: absurd use of parliamentary legislation to make this happen. I
33:51
Speaker 2: mean it shouldn't be just your farmers that are angry.
33:55
Speaker 2: We should all be upset and angry because, as Chris
33:57
Speaker 2: Jouman pointed out, Victoria, like much of Australia, is going
34:01
Speaker 2: to be carpet bonded with wind turbines.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, and I agree with you, Lily dan Bresio now
34:09
Speaker 8: has unfettered powers to change her mind, to change what
34:13
Speaker 8: she wants to do, when she wants to do it,
34:15
Speaker 8: how much it's even going to cost. This is it
34:19
Speaker 8: feels more and more like the socialist Republic of Victoria
34:23
Speaker 8: rather than a democratic state where people who own land
34:27
Speaker 8: they're not landholders. I note that government's changing language here landholders.
34:32
Speaker 9: No, they're not.
34:32
Speaker 8: They're land owners and they do not have the right
34:36
Speaker 8: to say no, I don't want this. And when you've
34:40
Speaker 8: got whole communities who have come together. You know, today
34:44
Speaker 8: we had tractor on tractor on tractor, and so many
34:48
Speaker 8: farmers present making their voices heard. And my encouragement to
34:53
Speaker 8: them is keep it up. We are standing with you.
34:56
Speaker 8: And this Victorian government needs to have a second, look,
35:00
Speaker 8: let's not forget Steve. This comes from the rewiring the
35:04
Speaker 8: nation under Chris Bowen and Anthony Albanezi. What it really
35:08
Speaker 8: is is retiring the farm.
35:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris Bowen, you give it to him when you
35:15
Speaker 2: get back to canber He's part of the big part
35:17
Speaker 2: of the problem. Doctor and Webster, thank you very much
35:19
Speaker 2: for talking to us. We'll keep on top of that.
35:21
Speaker 2: And I know Peter Kredlin has a very strong view
35:24
Speaker 2: on that. She'll get stuck into it when she gets back. Now,
35:27
Speaker 2: won't you hear details of this? You won't believe it.
35:29
Speaker 2: This is a crazy renewable project. I read about this
35:32
Speaker 2: this morning now over the weekend news that one hundred
35:35
Speaker 2: billion dollar green energy hub was to be built on
35:39
Speaker 2: the remote nullable Plane. It would see three thousand wind turbine,
35:42
Speaker 2: sixty million million sixty million solar panels and a new
35:48
Speaker 2: desert city of eight thousand people built in one of
35:51
Speaker 2: Australia's most fragile and remote environments. I mean, local leaders,
35:55
Speaker 2: scientists conservations say say the project risks destroying landscapes of
36:00
Speaker 2: global heritage and significance. And it's all because cash player
36:04
Speaker 2: subst you are going to pay for it. Loreen Bondser
36:07
Speaker 2: is the president of the local shire out There region
36:09
Speaker 2: that's got six hundred and seventy seven residents, and they're
36:12
Speaker 2: going to put a town of eight thousand there across
36:15
Speaker 2: ninety three thousand square kilometers. She says the project is
36:19
Speaker 2: utterly absurd. Lauren, thank you for joining us. Is what
36:23
Speaker 2: lunatics want to actually do? This?
36:27
Speaker 10: Well, look, I'm.
36:28
Speaker 11: Not sure if lunatics might be a bit harsh. I
36:30
Speaker 11: think they're all quite nice people, well meaning probably.
36:35
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's an interesting proposition.
36:39
Speaker 11: It's going to be big, and they say that it
36:41
Speaker 11: needs to be at that.
36:42
Speaker 10: Scale so that it's profitable for them.
36:45
Speaker 11: So they claim that they're going to save the planet
36:49
Speaker 11: by reducing the use of fossil fuels, notwithstanding that it's
36:54
Speaker 11: going to be a considerable amount of fossil fuels used
36:58
Speaker 11: in the making of their project. They also say that
37:02
Speaker 11: they'll offset that within five years. So I think if
37:06
Speaker 11: you take into account the mining, the transport, the manufacture,
37:11
Speaker 11: all of those things, if all of that can be
37:14
Speaker 11: offset in five years, then I think the original problem
37:16
Speaker 11: is negligible. So I think they're basically solving the problem
37:19
Speaker 11: that doesn't exist, and they're doing it.
37:23
Speaker 10: In a very very fragile and very very.
37:25
Speaker 11: Unique and special place that people rush along the air
37:30
Speaker 11: Highway and think there's nothing out there, but there is
37:33
Speaker 11: actually lots of stuff out there, and it's a fragile
37:38
Speaker 11: environment and it's evolved over thousands and thousands of years
37:43
Speaker 11: to survive the way that it is, and with the
37:47
Speaker 11: best will in the world, I don't think that there's
37:50
Speaker 11: any way that they can mitigate the issues that they
37:54
Speaker 11: will cause on that fragile environment.
37:59
Speaker 2: Are you in town of Uklear? Is that where you're based.
38:03
Speaker 10: I'm actually in Norseman, so our show.
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Speaker 11: It covers the area all the way out to the
38:09
Speaker 11: South Australian water, so Euklear is our town at the
38:12
Speaker 11: other end. So that's seven hundred and twelve k's from
38:15
Speaker 11: Norsemen and the proposed village is about plus minus thirty
38:20
Speaker 11: five k's west of UCLA.
38:25
Speaker 2: What's the top temperature out there in summer or.
38:28
Speaker 11: Gets pretty warm, can get up to the high forties
38:33
Speaker 11: and it gets pretty cold as well.
38:35
Speaker 10: So yeah, but I don't know this. Obviously, eight thousand
38:41
Speaker 10: people are just going to land there overnight, but.
38:45
Speaker 11: It would be a stage process and there's a lot
38:49
Speaker 11: of issues, not just.
38:51
Speaker 10: The fragile environment and the risk to that, and like one.
38:55
Speaker 11: Mistake, if they make one mistake, there's no way that
38:59
Speaker 11: you can fix it. Personally, I don't think that it's
39:02
Speaker 11: worth the risk. It's another foreign owned company, so they
39:09
Speaker 11: will be subsidized by Australian taxpayers to the.
39:11
Speaker 10: Tune of about six hundred million a year I think.
39:15
Speaker 11: And most of that product is going to be shipped overseas.
39:20
Speaker 11: So there's no real benefit to our country from this project.
39:26
Speaker 11: And it's a high, high risk to that very very
39:31
Speaker 11: unique environment, which ultimately could or possibly should be World
39:35
Speaker 11: Heritage listed because there's nothing else like it. And the
39:39
Speaker 11: proposed area where they want to put that town site
39:43
Speaker 11: is pretty much over the most densely caved area that
39:48
Speaker 11: there is, So they say they're going to avoid all
39:51
Speaker 11: the caves with their wind turbines and their solar panels
39:55
Speaker 11: and things. But as a friend of mine says, my
39:59
Speaker 11: head's to flat to get around that. I just can't
40:03
Speaker 11: imagine how they can manage that many people. They're going
40:07
Speaker 11: to need roads, they'll need medical services, education, shops.
40:14
Speaker 10: Police, you know, how are they going to get them there.
40:16
Speaker 11: It's a struggle to get people out to Yukla as
40:18
Speaker 11: it is, and they're not going to be very far
40:21
Speaker 11: from there. We've got transport logistics, you've got town planning issues,
40:26
Speaker 11: and because we have a fairly sparse population at the moment,
40:30
Speaker 11: if you throw an extra eight thousand people into the mix,
40:33
Speaker 11: we need to know how that's going to be, how
40:36
Speaker 11: that's going to work, you know, how we'll be able
40:38
Speaker 11: to rate the properties, Will we be able to rate
40:41
Speaker 11: the properties?
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Speaker 10: How are we going to manage all that extra waste.
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Speaker 11: We don't want to put you know, massive waste dumps
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Speaker 11: out there again in that pristine landscape, So there's going
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Speaker 11: to be transport, waste, transport potentially, how do we manage
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Speaker 11: eight thousand people that you know, people peopling, they want
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Speaker 11: to run to the coast and we're just in the
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Speaker 11: midst of doing a coastal strategy plan at the moment,
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Speaker 11: and we're only dealing with a few people that we've
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Speaker 11: got out there at the moment. We've got four hundred
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Speaker 11: and eighty kilometers of pristine coastline as well along there, so.
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Speaker 10: It's a pretty pretty fragile environment.
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Speaker 11: And in my mind, I really don't think that this
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Speaker 11: project is worth the risk, especially given that most of
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Speaker 11: the product is going to be shipped overseas.
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Speaker 2: I've only had the pleasure acrossing the nullable once. Obviously,
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Speaker 2: that underground cave system is what you're talking about, just briefly.
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Speaker 2: How beautiful is that?
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Speaker 11: Well, I haven't actually been under there myself. I've been
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Speaker 11: into one cave myself, and it's a whole other world.
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Speaker 11: It's pretty dark down there, so it's actually evolved a
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Speaker 11: lot of critters that have no eyes.
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Speaker 10: They don't need them. There's no light, so they can't
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Speaker 10: see anything.
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Speaker 11: But it's pretty amazing and there's all kinds of things.
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Speaker 11: And you know, I'm obviously not a scientist's greater minds
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Speaker 11: than mine know exactly what's down there, but it is
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Speaker 11: incredibly fragile and pretty much untouched, and it's very also
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Speaker 11: very ancient.
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Speaker 10: And I don't think.
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Speaker 11: That somebody who's from a foreign country has the right,
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Speaker 11: the ethical right to come and potentially mess that up
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Speaker 11: in somebody else's country exactly.
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Speaker 2: I think you're right in fact, you know the fact
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Speaker 2: that they might make a mistake. I think that's the
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Speaker 2: point of raise that really resonated with me. Lauren, good
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Speaker 2: luck with it, will keep an eye on it. I
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Speaker 2: hope for your sake and the rest of us that
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Speaker 2: it just does not take place. Now after the break,
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Speaker 2: what can we expect out of the Treasure's economic roundtable? Well,
42:47
Speaker 2: we'll show you some pictures of him in the PM
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Speaker 2: sitting in the PM's house the lodge with a dog later,
42:53
Speaker 2: plus new polling reveals what Australians really think about the
42:56
Speaker 2: Prime Minister's move to recognize Palestine. Welcome back Andrew Bold
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Speaker 2: up next. Now let's bring in our Monday Night panel,
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Member for Monash Mary Aldred and chief executive
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Speaker 2: at the Page Research Center Jared Holland. Good to see
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Speaker 2: you both. I already had some doubts about whether this
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Speaker 2: round table was going to achieve very much. Have a
43:18
Speaker 2: look at the vision that has been released by the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister and the Treasurer Jim Chalmers. Just about forty
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Speaker 2: five minutes ago. Out of the PM's office. There's Toto
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Speaker 2: the dog with the Treasurer, the PM wearing some fancy
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Speaker 2: white running shoes. Mary, what's going to happen tomorrow, Wednesday
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Speaker 2: and Thursday.
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Speaker 9: Well, I mean it's all a bit of performative art
43:44
Speaker 9: at this stage. Has this government really ever met a
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Speaker 9: piece of regulation or a new tax that it didn't like.
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Speaker 9: I'd be keen to see the gas lighting of small
43:51
Speaker 9: business owners stop. I had a local butcher from South
43:55
Speaker 9: Gippsland ring me up the other day, Steve saying, this
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Speaker 9: four day working week, when's it coming in? I just
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Speaker 9: can't afford it. And I had to explain the whole
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Speaker 9: performative art piece to him that small business owners have
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Speaker 9: had enough.
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Speaker 1: Growth and productivity.
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Speaker 9: Were a really low priority for this government in its
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Speaker 9: first term. Despite slow growth, We've had more than seventeen
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Speaker 9: percent rise in inflation in three and a half years.
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Speaker 9: It's a big ship to turn around. I'd like to
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Speaker 9: see what they've got on offer, but I've got to
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Speaker 9: say I'm skeptical, Jared.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a bit confused. Now we had Jim
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Speaker 2: Charmers not ruling out new taxes, then the Prime Minister
44:33
Speaker 2: did rule it out. Now Jim Charmers has put it
44:36
Speaker 2: back on the table. The PM says it's only what
44:38
Speaker 2: we took to the election, which is the superannuation tax.
44:42
Speaker 2: And then they talk about electric vehicle road user charges.
44:46
Speaker 2: Who are we believing here? Are they going to be
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Speaker 2: new taxes out? Of this is that what Treasury is
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Speaker 2: probably recommending to the government to do.
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Speaker 12: All the deficit that state is in at the moment.
44:56
Speaker 12: It's hard to imagine they're not recommending that. To be honest,
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Speaker 12: Australia does need tax at the moment. We need to
45:02
Speaker 12: stop the bracket crete, we need to rain in insane
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Speaker 12: government spending. We need to work out how we're actually
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Speaker 12: going to start to pay back some of this debts.
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Speaker 12: It doesn't all get passed on to our kids. But
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Speaker 12: the idea that it's this government and it's this treasurer
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Speaker 12: who is able to deliver that kind of tax reform,
45:16
Speaker 12: I'm pretty simple of I think if Victorian labor is
45:18
Speaker 12: anything to go by, we can expect that living stands
45:21
Speaker 12: will continue to decrease. They're just going to chase away
45:23
Speaker 12: more business overseas and they're going to keep going after
45:26
Speaker 12: poor old Australian.
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Speaker 7: Taxpayer in order to cover up their mess and their.
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Speaker 12: Complete recklessness and the way that they've gone about spending
45:33
Speaker 12: over this last couple of years.
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Speaker 2: Mary, we had the news that Blue Scope Steel said, look,
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Speaker 2: if you don't get start using gas and reserve gas
45:42
Speaker 2: for Australian manufacturing, manufacturing is going to disappear out of
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Speaker 2: the country. I think Woodside are at the table tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: Wednesday and Thursday. But that's it. The Australian Conservation Foundations there,
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Speaker 2: the Greens are there. I mean, we're going to get
45:56
Speaker 2: serious here. If the boss of a blue Scope, which
45:59
Speaker 2: is a both Australian and US based major mining company,
46:03
Speaker 2: says we have to do that, why don't we listen
46:05
Speaker 2: to the people actually make a living out of doing
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Speaker 2: these things.
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Speaker 9: One of our best competitive advantages is our abundance of
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Speaker 9: natural resources. Steve, I've got a real concern that there
46:18
Speaker 9: is a culture and a behavior of red tape creeping
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Speaker 9: into a whole lot of approvals processes where bureaucracy and
46:26
Speaker 9: government departments are more interested in I've got your moment
46:29
Speaker 9: than bringing online more business, investment, jobs and growth. So
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Speaker 9: it'd be great to see more private sector input and
46:37
Speaker 9: involvement in actually creating discussions around how to bring those
46:41
Speaker 9: projects online in housing, infrastructure and resources, rather than just
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Speaker 9: a whole lobby of environmental and activist groups.
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Speaker 2: Jared, our mate Andrew Bolt up next to you, wrote
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Speaker 2: a column in the News Court Papers today saying Australians
46:57
Speaker 2: would now rather blood than were, and we saw figures
47:01
Speaker 2: out I think two weeks ago fifty percent of the
47:03
Speaker 2: community rely on government handouts. Have we turned into a
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Speaker 2: nation of bloods during.
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Speaker 7: Well, Look, I'm not as hard on Aussie workers.
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Speaker 12: I mean, at the end of the day, we've got
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Speaker 12: a system we as you mentioned, fifty percent of the state,
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Speaker 12: fifty percent Australia is employed by the state.
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Speaker 7: It makes it pretty difficult for the private sector to
47:20
Speaker 7: compete with that.
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Speaker 12: When you have a low risk, unproductive sector, promising people
47:24
Speaker 12: are kind of great be trying to work.
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Speaker 7: For the rest of their life.
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Speaker 12: And actually, this is one of the problems of our
47:28
Speaker 12: productivity challenge that we're in at the moment, is that
47:30
Speaker 12: there aren't those incentives for private business to innovate, to grow,
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Speaker 12: to expand, and they can't compete with a state that's
47:37
Speaker 12: willing to roll over given four day weeks, willing to
47:40
Speaker 12: give them work from home whenever they want.
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Speaker 7: And this is the kind of mess you end up in.
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Speaker 2: Mary. We need to cut back the numbers in the
47:49
Speaker 2: public and state public services, don't we don't we start there?
47:54
Speaker 9: Well, I think what we need to see as well
47:57
Speaker 9: is investment in jobs and growth in regional areas. I
48:02
Speaker 9: think much more of a cultural attitude of getting the
48:06
Speaker 9: economy back on track. JFK of course had a great
48:10
Speaker 9: saying that I think he put in the US Department
48:12
Speaker 9: of Commerce offices, what have you done for growth today?
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Speaker 9: And I think that's a pretty good mattra that all
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Speaker 9: government departments should have at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Mary and Jared, thank you very much for joining
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Speaker 2: us tonight. Of course, what we're talking about there is
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Speaker 2: the Roundtable Summit. It will get underway in Canberra tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: It's going to run Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. It's going
48:33
Speaker 2: to be fascinating to see what comes out of it.
48:35
Speaker 2: I'm told they can't take their phones in there. They've
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Speaker 2: got to make notes with a pen. Can you believe it?
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Speaker 2: Andrew Bolt, he's up next.