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Gina Gershon on Showgirls, Bound and Hollywood Tales · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: Heather Macdonald. Has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on
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  Speaker 2: Hannah McDonald. Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 4: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, little update on
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  Speaker 4: Taylor Frankie Paul. She is now being investigated from People
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  Speaker 4: Magazine following the allegations of a third domestic violence incident.
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  Speaker 4: Since we recorded last, all TMZ has been doing is
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  Speaker 4: putting out more and more body cam videos from the
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  Speaker 4: police of the infamous night on the 23rd.
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  Speaker 2: So a lot more.
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  Speaker 4: Video, a lot of the parents, her parents coming over,
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  Speaker 4: her talking to the police. That's all been released. It's
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  Speaker 4: all on TMZ. She has said this is just making
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  Speaker 4: it harder for her daughter who has to relive it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry for that, but also why is an eight-year-old
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  Speaker 4: having to relive it? She shouldn't be online and she
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  Speaker 4: shouldn't be watching TMZ at night.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe it's just... Maybe keep it away from her.
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  Speaker 4: But apparently there is a third incident. So there's a
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  Speaker 4: one that we've been seeing in 2023 with Dakota. Then
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  Speaker 4: there was the one that happened in February.
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  Speaker 2: That was two days.
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  Speaker 4: And now there's some other one that apparently he has
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  Speaker 4: video evidence as well that he has come forward and
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  Speaker 4: talking to the police about.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a huge mess.
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  Speaker 4: There's talk of rumors that maybe the beautiful Maura, who
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  Speaker 4: was on Traitors, she might be the Bachelorette. This is
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  Speaker 4: coming from Dubois and might be the Bachelorette and they
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  Speaker 4: would do it live. A lot of people have wondered
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  Speaker 4: if they'll fill that time with maybe a live type
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  Speaker 4: of dating experience in the Bachelorette world. Anyway, so we
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  Speaker 4: have that going on. Just wanted to update you on that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm really excited to share with you an incredible interview
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  Speaker 4: that I did with Agena Gershon in person. And she
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  Speaker 4: has been a huge movie star for many years. And
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  Speaker 4: her stories are so interesting about her life. She has
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  Speaker 4: a new book out, Alpha Pussy. She'll be in San
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  Speaker 4: Francisco with a book signing next week. So check her out.
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  Speaker 4: But let's get into that interview now. And for everything
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  Speaker 4: for me, you're going to go to heathermcdonald.net.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 4: I am so excited for my guest today, Gina Gershon.
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  Speaker 4: You know her from her so many movies you've done.
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  Speaker 2: Always sexy.
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  Speaker 4: You have broken boundaries with being one of the first
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  Speaker 4: and second. You've had a few bisexual characters in the
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  Speaker 4: juiciest movies, and this being Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: When I saw that you had a new book coming out.
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  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 4: Your memoir, it's funny, interesting, juicy stories. Gina Gershon's book
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  Speaker 4: is called Alpha Pussy. Great title. Thanks for coming on
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  Speaker 4: the show.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you. Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Now, this is not your first book. It's my third book. Yes.
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  Speaker 4: How have you enjoyed the writing process compared to acting
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  Speaker 4: and doing everything else you do?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this was a different sort of... I have
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  Speaker 2: all different....
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  Speaker 5: Listen, after like writing this and now like selling this,
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  Speaker 5: I kind of miss my day job.
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  Speaker 2: I think acting is so much easier.
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  Speaker 5: But, you know, it's a different this was an interesting
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  Speaker 5: process for me. It was different than the last book
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  Speaker 5: I did, which I never really meant to write a book.
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  Speaker 5: And then I did a one woman show and then
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  Speaker 5: I got a book deal. I was like, oh, like,
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  Speaker 5: I'll just write out what I've already performed. And then
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  Speaker 5: the other book was a book with my brother who
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  Speaker 5: already had the story. And I kept saying, oh, I
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  Speaker 5: want to make this into a movie. And he's like,
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to write it.
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  Speaker 7: You write it. And so I was like, no, you
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  Speaker 7: write it.
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  Speaker 2: And so I.
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  Speaker 5: Didn't– it wasn't my intention to do that. I just
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  Speaker 5: did it because I wanted to get it made into
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  Speaker 5: something else. And this one was the first one I
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  Speaker 5: did that I'm like, all right, I'm going to write
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  Speaker 5: this book, which was– it was interesting.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I liked what– and just like getting excited for
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  Speaker 4: this interview– I like how you were saying, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I was, it was COVID and we were just like
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  Speaker 4: drinking and telling stories. And my agent was like, these
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  Speaker 4: stories are so funny. Why don't you do, why don't
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  Speaker 4: you write a book on these like fun stories? And
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  Speaker 4: you were like, well, you know, I probably should before
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  Speaker 4: I forget them. And I thought that was like, great.
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  Speaker 4: And I tell people that all the time, like Write
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  Speaker 4: your stories or tell your stories or, you know, make
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  Speaker 4: sure that you have these memories because.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think as an exercise as we get older,
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  Speaker 5: you forget everything. I've already forgotten what I've written in
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  Speaker 5: the book. And in a way, when you write it down,
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  Speaker 5: then it's like deleting something in your mind. Then you could, like,
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  Speaker 5: make space for, you know, other stories.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Because I start reading them. I'm like, oh, yeah, that
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  Speaker 5: was really funny. I, you know, no, he wanted.
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  Speaker 7: Me to tell stories.
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  Speaker 2: He was really... He was.
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  Speaker 7: My agent as well. And I.
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  Speaker 5: We had happened, you know, been out one night and
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  Speaker 5: I told him some stories that I never really talk about,
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  Speaker 5: about showgirls. And the next day he was like, you
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  Speaker 5: really need to write this book. And I said, I
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  Speaker 5: really don't want to write that book. And then COVID happened.
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  Speaker 5: And then he said, just start sending me stories just
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  Speaker 5: because I'm like, we're all stuck here. It'll be cheery.
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  Speaker 5: And so then I just started writing him little essays
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  Speaker 5: about showgirls and about Prince and about band and just
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  Speaker 5: anything that was coming up. And he was like, oh
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  Speaker 5: my God, I love these so much. I'm going to
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  Speaker 5: take this out and sell it as your book.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, what?
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  Speaker 7: What is it?
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  Speaker 5: And then I just, I didn't want to do that book.
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  Speaker 5: I said, you know, I'm not, I mean, believe me,
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  Speaker 5: I could write the tell all of tell alls and,
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  Speaker 5: but I'm a very discreet person. And some of the
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  Speaker 5: stories I'm like, I don't know if I want to
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  Speaker 5: spend all this time doing that.
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  Speaker 2: I said, there's something there.
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  Speaker 7: But I don't know what.
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  Speaker 5: And then little by little through a series of events with,
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  Speaker 5: you know, my mom and she wasn't doing well. And
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  Speaker 5: I was dealing with therapy and, you know, and just
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  Speaker 5: all of a sudden these valley things started coming up.
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  Speaker 5: Stories started emerging in my mind that I started noticing
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  Speaker 5: a theme. And then once I thought about the alpha
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  Speaker 5: pussy story, which really was based on my cat and
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  Speaker 5: training him, but then it, you know, when I got showgirls,
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  Speaker 5: people were kind of saying, oh, showgirls and making me
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  Speaker 5: feel uncomfortable. And when I utilize my technique that I
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  Speaker 5: did on my male cats to become the alpha pussies and,
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  Speaker 5: you know, not be a victim to them. I tried
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  Speaker 5: it on, you know, the, the, the guys who were,
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  Speaker 5: you know, making me feel strange talking about it. And,
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  Speaker 5: and I realized, oh my God, if I use this technique,
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  Speaker 5: it actually works. I become the alpha pussy, they back away.
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  Speaker 5: And it's really about just having agency and standing your
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  Speaker 5: own two feet and, you know, not letting anyone push
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  Speaker 5: you around bullies or anyone, you know, in life or
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  Speaker 5: in your career.
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  Speaker 4: When we got the email about having you on the show,
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  Speaker 4: my husband who works with me was like all excited.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, she's from Woodland Hills. So I was born
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  Speaker 4: and raised in Woodland Hills.
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  Speaker 2: No way.
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  Speaker 4: And I've talked about Woodland Hills my whole life. And
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  Speaker 4: my book talked a lot about that area of town.
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  Speaker 7: Wait, where in Woodland Hills? Can I ask?
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  Speaker 4: I just moved last year, but I had a house
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  Speaker 4: there for 19 years. I bought it next door to
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  Speaker 4: the to the house I grew up in with my parents.
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  Speaker 4: It was on Lander Drive, just south of Wells, kind
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  Speaker 4: of near Westchester County, the gated community and Serenia Park.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, that was a different. So I was off, you know,
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  Speaker 5: if you had Wells and then Oakdale.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So if you went a little. Further towards DeSoto. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Before you get to DeSoto and you're on Wells and
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  Speaker 4: you're going up a hill, you would go to the
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  Speaker 4: left and there's a flat area of homes that are
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  Speaker 4: like kind of ranchy homes. And the technical name is Vistadero,
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  Speaker 4: but there are these flat homes and they're, so it's like,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, flat meaning flat.
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  Speaker 7: So you're in the fancier area. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: A little.
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  Speaker 2: It was a little bit. And then they built.
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  Speaker 6: Nice.
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  Speaker 4: And then I remember Westchester County got built. But before that,
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  Speaker 4: it was called the NBC lot. And they would film
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  Speaker 4: Little House on the Prairie there.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And that's next to Serenia Park.
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  Speaker 7: I was near right off of Ventura Boulevard.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Basically.
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  Speaker 7: You know, between Ventura and Wells.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 7: In that long strip. Like Oakdale went from Wells to Ventura.
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  Speaker 2: It has all the orange trees.
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  Speaker 5: It was all orange groves. It was all pomegranate trees.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: You know, that's what.
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  Speaker 5: Valley used to be. And then, I mean, across the
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  Speaker 5: street from my house was a vacant lot. That was
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  Speaker 5: like the Garden of Eden. It was like plum trees,
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  Speaker 5: fig trees, you know, everything. I had a, my fig
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  Speaker 5: tree was my fort, which I talk about in one
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  Speaker 5: of those stories, how my fort was infiltrated. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it was a different time. I mean, I went, I
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  Speaker 5: went to Parkman Junior High. And when I went there
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  Speaker 5: the other day, I was doing something. I said, oh,
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to drive by and see what it's like.
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  Speaker 7: And it's not there. I couldn't find it.
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  Speaker 5: And in fact, I'm driving around Chalk Hill, which, you know, Ventura, everything.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, I might as well have been in
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  Speaker 5: Ohio or somewhere. I had no idea where I was.
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  Speaker 5: Everything's changed so much.
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  Speaker 4: I love that you that you talked about I talked
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  Speaker 4: about it and that it was like so interesting to
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  Speaker 4: you because I was like oh it's like to me
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  Speaker 4: growing up in the valley it was very interesting because
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  Speaker 4: you know I grew up thinking it was great right
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  Speaker 4: Being really grateful. My parents are realtors. I went to St.
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  Speaker 4: Mel's in Louisville. My brothers went to Taft. I was like,
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  Speaker 4: we have a pool. Life is great. Not until I
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  Speaker 4: went to USC did I realize there was like a
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  Speaker 4: negative connotation to snobby LA people. Like I didn't, I
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  Speaker 4: was like, what? They're like, how do you handle it there?
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  Speaker 4: Isn't it like 10 degrees hotter? And I was like, um,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. We have air conditioning. Like, what's the deal?
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  Speaker 4: And then when I, um, worked on a TV show,
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  Speaker 4: I just got shit every day for living in the Valley.
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  Speaker 4: And now all those people are dying to buy a
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  Speaker 4: house here because, you know, everything's so expensive.
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  Speaker 2: But it is sort of like.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, the Valley's kind of come back in a big way.
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  Speaker 5: Everyone's like, I want to live in the Valley.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of chic now. I was like, really?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of had a chip on my shoulder
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  Speaker 4: a little bit about, like, the pride. I was like,
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  Speaker 4: 818 till I die. And, like, why is everyone such
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  Speaker 4: a dick about it?
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  Speaker 2: You know, like.
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  Speaker 4: But there were times where I was like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I wonder if I had ever moved, like... and you're
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  Speaker 4: around people that are all making movies happen and they're,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like they're at the restaurant that you're at.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, that probably would have maybe been better for me.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I would have, I don't know. You know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean? Because my neighbors, I didn't even know.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, you don't know. How are you supposed to
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  Speaker 7: know that growing up?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I, but I do believe that it's, you know,
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  Speaker 5: they say nature or nurture, you know, I think that
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  Speaker 5: when I was growing up in the Valley, and of course,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know anything other than that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And, you know, it was just a very precarious time because,
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  Speaker 5: you know, my best friend's brothers were like.
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  Speaker 2: The weed dealers in the Valley. No, my brother was
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  Speaker 2: a weed dealer.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember a man named Jim McDonald?
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  Speaker 5: No. Oh.
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  Speaker 2: But I think we were in difference. I didn't go
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  Speaker 2: to Taft. He's older than I am. Oh, so maybe
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  Speaker 2: he didn't have the territory. Yeah. He was the Taft
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  Speaker 2: one and he would be.
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  Speaker 5: This is when I was like barely in Parkman Junior High,
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  Speaker 5: barely out of elementary school.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. He was doing it more in high school. He
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  Speaker 2: would have been. Closer to your age.
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  Speaker 5: And by the way, this is when you're not supposed
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  Speaker 5: to— you have to beep out his name because active.
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  Speaker 2: No, he died. It's okay. Okay, he's dead. That's great.
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  Speaker 4: He's dead, and I brag about it. It was the
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  Speaker 4: one and only job he had.
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  Speaker 2: It was great.
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  Speaker 5: I know that we were talking about, like, people suing.
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  Speaker 5: I change names in here just so— Oh.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I want to say about changing names
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  Speaker 2: that I was always like, thanks, publisher. That would have
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  Speaker 2: been nice.
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  Speaker 4: I tell people all the time if they're going to
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  Speaker 4: write any memoir, I'm like— from the moment you do
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  Speaker 4: the outline of the story, change the names.
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  Speaker 2: Because I wrote the whole thing with the names.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And not until the very end, they're like, change the names,
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  Speaker 4: but also change the city where this guy was. If
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  Speaker 4: he was an eye doctor, make him a podiatrist. Oh, really?
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I would have done that, but now, then
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  Speaker 4: I would be doing a book signing and someone would
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  Speaker 4: be like, oh, the Craig story. And I'm like, wait,
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  Speaker 4: who's Craig? Because I changed it at like the ninth hour. And, um, No,
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  Speaker 4: I do joke about how my brother, I didn't know it,
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  Speaker 4: but he was a weed dealer.
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  Speaker 2: And, or more than that.
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  Speaker 4: And they, they had added on a room so you
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  Speaker 4: could go through the garage and then he had like
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  Speaker 4: a separate door to like, the hallway into his room.
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  Speaker 4: And my parents were busy all day long trying to
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  Speaker 4: sell houses. And I just thought my brother was the
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  Speaker 4: most popular guy on earth because people stopped by all
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  Speaker 4: the time. They didn't stay very long, but they stopped
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  Speaker 4: by and they left. And then he was like, here,
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  Speaker 4: help me grow this. And I didn't, I'm like, what
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  Speaker 4: are we making? He's like tomatoes. And we were like
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  Speaker 4: growing it in the back. And my parents had no clue. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's so funny. But, you know, but at the time,
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  Speaker 4: like there was, you know, I wasn't surrounded by other
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  Speaker 4: creative people, you know, I mean, to get, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I think my brother and sister were older, so they
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  Speaker 4: didn't want anything to do with me.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I had the weed dealers over here. And
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  Speaker 5: then I'm like, I'm going to go to the bowling alley. Oh,
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  Speaker 5: I could sell, you know, pinball games. I liked movies.
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  Speaker 5: So I learned how to sneak into the The Corbin
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  Speaker 5: Bowl or the theater. Right.
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  Speaker 4: There was Corbin Bowl and then there was the Tarzana
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  Speaker 4: movie theater. That's what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: On Ventura, right? Right next to each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 7: I changed it for the cover because it didn't look right.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I had to make it a little bit whatever.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, but then one day I snuck into that
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  Speaker 5: movie theater to watch Billy Jack for the zillionth time.
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  Speaker 7: And I heard all these sounds like, oh, oh, oh.
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  Speaker 7: And I'm like, I don't remember anything.
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  Speaker 5: Recall those sounds in Billy Jack you know and I
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  Speaker 5: looked up and there's a smattering of men in the
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  Speaker 5: audience with raincoats on I'm like raincoats it's not raining
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  Speaker 5: I mean I was clueless I was so young I'm
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  Speaker 5: like why are they wearing raincoats and I looked up
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  Speaker 5: at the you know the screen and I'm like what?
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  Speaker 2: Like, wait, what?
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  Speaker 7: What's she doing with that snake? I mean, it was just,
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  Speaker 7: you know, and I was like, oh my God.
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  Speaker 4: And so it's just, isn't it crazy that people would
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: go into like a regular movie theater and sit next
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: to other people to watch porn? That must be the
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: most insane concept to like Gen Z today.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: Like that is so weird when you think about it.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: Like why even like buy it and get it free
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: on your like, you know.
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: And then you would be like showing your face and
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: going in there or going into a sex shop or
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: like giving your ticket to the person selling the movie,
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: the dirty movie.
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Like, you know, listen, that was the valley at
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: a time. It was like strewn with people like that.
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: You know, it wasn't a time of helicopter parents. So
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: it was like, be home before dinner, you know, at
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: six or seven years old.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: Like, I'll walk home, you know, a mile to my house.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: And like, that's fine.
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: And, you know, listen, predators and toxic and gross people
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: have been around forever.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Forever.
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: You know, but then all of a sudden I realized, wow,
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: they're around a lot. And, you know, obviously they're here
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: now more than ever.
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: Yes. So, yeah.
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: You know, but growing up, I didn't, I just started
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: getting depressed because I think I, I was artistically inclined,
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: but I didn't have anyone to play with. And then
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: at some point I started doing theater, but no one
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: really took it seriously. And at some, at another point
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: I was like, I just need to get out of here.
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: My parents were like, we're pulling you out because all
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: my friends were either getting busted for drugs or it just,
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: it wasn't a, it wasn't a creative, healthy environment. And
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: I was really going down You know, I didn't have
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: friends I wanted to hang out with anymore. And so
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: then when they moved me, it was either a girls'
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: school or Beverly. And I'm like, I'm not going to
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: a girls' school.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you would have probably gone to Louisville. That's where
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: I went. Or Birmingham. No, not Birmingham. Corvallis. No, what
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: was the other two? Buckley.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's not girls.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: And Westlake.
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: Was Westlake the girls' school?
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, Westlake.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: Before Harvard, Westlake became Harvard-Westlake. Harvard was all boys and
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: Westlake was all girls.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: I think it was Westlake or Buckley maybe. And Westlake
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: was non-religious. So it was Westlake. That's where they were
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: going to send you.
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: And I just said, I don't want to do that.
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: They said, or you can get into Beverly. Because my
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: brother and sister, they basically moved to the slums of
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: Beverly Hills because my dad was traveling a lot. So
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: he was closer to the airport and my mom– was
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: an interior decorator.
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: And she had clients all around.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, that was a smart idea. So they're like, you
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: know what?
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: This is a great school. I had an aunt and
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: uncle and cousins there. They're like, we're moving you over here.
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, Beverly Hills. Like, oh my God, I
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: just want to go to Calabasas or the beach. I
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: was like a surfer chick. But then secretly I was
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: happy I was leaving. And once I got to that school,
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: I was like, whoa, there's like a theater. There's a
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: little theater. There's pizza.
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: There's chocolate donuts.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: There's a planetarium. They had that pool. They had a pool.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I could take surfing for PE.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: I was like, this school is rad.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I love this school. Yeah.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: So, you know, but more importantly, I kind of found
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: my people there, you know, like I found dancers and
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: actors and singers. And to this day, I'm friendly with
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: my gang of girls there.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: That's so awesome.
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: have faced tremendous setbacks and yet somehow have found a
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: filed against me.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: what would you do if it was given back?
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: He said, I have a work dad. I need a
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: home dad. What happens next? When I came in, he
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: started crying.
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: happens next.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: every day was. You're worth the work. Listen, Dara, I'm
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: not going to pull punches. You can use your voice
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: even if it shakes.
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: And then I, and, but then you actually wanted to
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: go to like a pro a professional school for kids, right?
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: Not for kids. When I was at Beverly, one of
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: the older girls, she was like in 12th grade. She
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: had just come from, um, American Conservatory Theater, the summer program.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: And something clicked. Once I started really getting into it,
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I want to be a serious actress. I
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: really thought this is what I want to do. And
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: she told me about the program. And I thought, well,
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: I have to go. Like, I want to be a professional. And,
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: you know, you go between the summer, between 11th and
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: 12th grade. The only problem was I wasn't old enough. But,
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: you know, like everything else, I just lied about my age.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: I had a fake ID. And I auditioned.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: I got in.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: And then I had to talk my parents into letting
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: me go, which, you know, eventually they did. But then
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: I had to kind of lie to them about, oh, yes,
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: I'm living with this woman.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: She's 28.
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: They met her.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: She worked in the costume department at the American Conservatory Theater.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: So I was with a grown up. But as soon
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: as I walked in, my parents, you know, my mom
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: was like, I don't think this is a good idea.
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: My dad really trusted me. He said, you know, she'll
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: be OK. And then the woman turned to me.
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: She said, guess what? I just got a gig in Hawaii.
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: I'm not here all summer.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like, great.
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: Don't say anything to my parents, you know? And so
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: I was living there on my own.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: So you're living in this pretty nice, normal, safe apartment though.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. By yourself at how old?
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: I had just turned 16 and I'd lied and said
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: I was 17. And you don't know the city because
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: you just got there.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: It was fun.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: That's like– that is probably– and so all day long
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: you would take these classes and stuff in the summer?
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: All day long.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: I just was at school the whole time. And then
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: I met this girl. I can't remember how I met her.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: Through a friend of ours. And her parents were gone.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: And she was like a real socialite, fun party girl.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: And she lived in Pacific Heights, which was the fancier area.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: And so she's like, just move in with me. She's like,
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: no one's here. And so we lived in her place.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: So I would go to school all day. And then
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: at night, she's like, let's go to this club.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Let's go to a party.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: Such a fun girl. So I was kind of like
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: living this like totally fun life. And it was kind
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: of nice to have their, like have a roommate or
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: a friend, you know, instead of just being alone. Maybe
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: I would have gotten a little weirded out at that stage,
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: but it was fun. It was a great, It was
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: great training and it made me realize like, oh, I
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: want to take this seriously and I want to keep continuing.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: And the teachers there were very supportive and they all
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: just kept saying, go to college, keep studying. You know,
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: this is really important that you learn other things. And
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: I felt that way, too.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: So it was good.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: And so what was like your first like I'm in
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: a real thing that people can watch or see and
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: I'm like on my way. I have representation like this
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: is this can be like a real career.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: Well, when I was in high school, this woman, Tina Landau,
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: this woman, she was my best friend at the time.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: She wrote a play, Faces on the Wall, that we
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: ended up taking to the Coronet Theater. So that was
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: my first professional show. And I remember I got, you know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: all these different people kept saying, we want to be
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: your agent. We're going to represent you. And yet, but
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: most of them were like, we're going to put you
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: on a TV show right now. And I kept thinking,
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: I want to go to college. I don't want to
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: be like a dumbass actress, you know, to me, just
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: because A, it was important for my parents that I
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: go to college and B, all the people I respected,
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: like studied other things. And I just knew I hadn't
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: grown into my body yet.
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: Even though I was 15, I looked like I was 24.
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: You know, I.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I, I just, I wasn't there yet.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: But when I would watch like Jessica Lange and Francis,
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: I'm like, that's what I want to do, but I
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: don't know how to do that yet. And I know
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: I need to be older, you know? Um, And so
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: I ended up going with an agent. I'm like, I
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: want to go to college. He's like, great, go to college.
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: And so I.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: Felt reassured, I guess, when I did the play. Although
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: I didn't doubt.
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: It, you know. I always thought, oh, this is what
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: I'm going to do. Like, you know, some things you know.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: And then I went to school and as soon as
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: I graduated, he's like, great, come out here. We're going
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: to put you to work.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: And where did you go? How was college for you?
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Where did you go?
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: I loved it.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: Well, I went to Emerson for the first year. Um,
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: just because I thought, I think my parents were like,
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: you're not going to New York city, like right out
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: of here. You don't. Yeah. So the Boston was a
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: very good introduction to the East.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Although, I.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: Mean, I don't regret a lot of things, but I,
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: I kind of wish at Emerson, I had taken more
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: of the creative writing program. Cause I think it was
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: stronger in that suit and the acting, it was okay,
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: but I wasn't like blown away by, you know, what
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: I was. And I had gotten to a professional show there,
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: so I had to, to stay, um, But then I
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: went to NYU and I kind of looked at the
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: classes and then I just secretly auditioned again.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: And then I got in.
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: They said, you know what? You can come into the
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: second year because you seem a little advanced.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I said, great.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: So I said, mom, dad, guess what? I want to
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: go to NYU now. And, you know, they were always
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: very respectful. And, you know, my dad's like, well, we'll
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: do it. But, you know, you have to make your
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: own money to do all the other stuff and we'll
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: take care of this.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I said, fair.
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: So, yeah.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, I, I always remember the thing that I
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: thought was so memorable and like unique about you.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: This is, I love that you did this video, the
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: word on the street, the 90s are back. It's a
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: trending thing.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: I have this girl who's so great helping me do
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: social media right now because I've never done that.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: You know, I thought for the book, I'll do it
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: for like a month. And she puts, she's like, okay,
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: so we're going to do this.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, why?
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: Why?
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: She said, because it's trending.
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: I don't even know.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: But then she sends it to me. I'm like, oh,
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: that's kind of cute. And sometimes I'm like, I don't
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: like this song. She goes, that's the song.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I'm like, ugh.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: So I always think this, like the thing that made
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: you to me so memorable. was that you had this
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: very sexy mouth and it was so unique. And I
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: tell people when I talk about stars from our era,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, they would pop because you couldn't buy lips.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: You couldn't buy cheekbones.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: You couldn't like, so if, if you had a unique
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: kind of sexy, the way you're like, you had these
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: full lips that like kind of curved.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I was like, that is just, nobody else has.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, didn't people, people, and as, as time went on,
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: when people started getting all that stuff, they're like, so
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: who did your lips?
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: I'm like, What? I'm like, my mom? Like, I didn't
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: even understand the question.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what do you mean?
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: Like, well, I just put this makeup on. And I
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: was like, oh, no, who did them?
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: I said, they're mine. Look at my mother had the
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: same mouth. My sister has the same mouth. My niece
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: has the same mouth. Like the Gershon lips.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: My mom, when she was born in Wisconsin, they came out.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: To LA the Valley and my mom said like one
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: of the first couple weeks that she was here she
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: was at a grocery store and someone came up to
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: her and was like who did your nose and she's
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: like what because she had a really good nose better
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: than mine she had like a perfect like model's nose
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: and it's true it's like now everyone just assumes that like.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Because it's thick you can do it yeah but um Yeah.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: And I just think being brunette and your brown eyes,
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: like even that was like a unique look. It seems like,
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: like we always were just at that time, it was
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: all about, you know, blonde hair, blue eyes, and just
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: even bringing brunette was like something we didn't actually see.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: I talk about that in my book, you know, I talk,
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: I can't remember which chapter, but you know, when I
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: came back here, Oh yeah.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: The first place.
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: So I came back from college and I auditioned and
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: I got, uh, my first equity job here because they were,
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: remember when Los Angeles Theater Company opened up? So it
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: was a new theater and I was going to be
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: playing with fabulous people. You know, it was Ed Harris
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: at the time that turned into Bill Pullman and Adam Arkin.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: And I mean, it was such a great cast. And
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: I was cast as Sharina, the Afghani girl, like who
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: goes up against the Russian. It was about the Russian invasion. Beijing, Afghanistan.
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: And it was an incredible part. I couldn't believe I
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: got it. I had a whole retinue of, you know,
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: Greek chorus of all my Afghani girls. And it was
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: an incredible part. So I got to speak with, you know,
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: a little Farsi. I got to look very, you know,
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: Middle Eastern Afghani, you know, did my hair, my makeup.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: And I really loved this part and got really good reviews.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: All that.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: Could not get an audition to save my life. They're like,
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: she's fabulous. but we need an American girl.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: You were too convincing.
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: And I was like, dude, I'm like from the Valley.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: I'm like, you know, what do you mean? I like
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: can't be more American. But I was also too exotic.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: You know, I was dark hair, dark eyes. It was
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: very much the blonde hair, blue eye culture.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: It's so funny that they would say that, that they
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: would call just a brunette exotic.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: This guy, uh, I had a book signing in New York,
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: you know, about a week ago. Um, I'd like this
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: big talk and this, and I, he'd read the book
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: and he said, I am one of your casting. I
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: was one of the people who got your, you know,
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: to cast you in something. And he had my, one
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: of my original headshots.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: That's so amazing.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: But on the back, you know, where it has your listed,
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: you know, circus training, you write out anything you can
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: to sound really cool. And on the top, he said,
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: too ethnic, very good, but too ethnic. He said, he goes,
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: you're right. Like you were too ethnic for things. And
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: of course, so I made a career of playing Italians or,
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: you know, Colombians, Afghanis. I mean, anything but like a
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: nice Jewish girl from the valley, right?
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Or a surfer girl. I always thought you were Italian.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: That's right. what I thought. I'm not.
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: And, of course, now— Maybe because Gina, too, is traditionally
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: an Italian. And I look very Italian. But, I mean,
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: I played absolutely anything European.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: That's so great, though.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: But, of course, now they're like, oh, no, no, you're
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: not ethnic enough. You have to really be that.
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: So it was such a crazy time. And most of
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: my parts, you know, I was like, I like the
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: guy's part better. They're like, OK, so I ended up
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: playing the guy's part or here's this, which things that
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: you're not, you know, it's not politically correct to do.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: And it's great that so many people are included. But
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, you know, I wouldn't have had a career
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: had I not been able to play you know, in Bound,
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: the gay girl.
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: Oh, you're not really gay, so you better not play that.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about that, Bound.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: Like, that's amazing because, no, I agree with that, too.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: I'm like, it is called acting for a reason. If
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: we all just played ourselves, then that's a reality person.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: I'm very.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: Like, you know, I mean, I get the lines and everything.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: You know, yeah, if we can find someone. But also, like,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: that's what makes people get an Oscar is because they're like,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: I can't believe this person transformed themselves into this person.
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: Of course.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: That's called acting. And I'm a big believer.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: I just, listen, I think if it's a super historical story,
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: situation where, you know, everyone has to be, you know, Japanese, right?
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: Like it's a, this sort of story, then yeah, you,
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: you stick with that. But if it's a story and,
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: you know, here's a brutal blah, blah, blah person, some
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: guy who has this sort of energy, I, I just
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: feel like if a girl comes in and has that energy,
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: I don't care who's playing it. I don't care your race.
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: I don't care your ethnicity. I don't care your, your gender.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: But if you Like embody the essence of what that
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: character needs. That to me is what I would be
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: looking for.
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly. You know, I don't know.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: It's all so limiting.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: We're like, well, how old are you? It's like, what
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: does it matter? I mean, especially today. You know what
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: I mean? Because you can, with CGI and all.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: The AI stuff, I could play.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: I don't know if I'd go under three months old
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: because two months is a tricky age, but like I
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: could go to 2000 years old.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: I could go to easily eight. Like you could do anything.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: That to me.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: And it's an essence of what you're doing. So I
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: really liked that part of acting, you know?
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: So, well, I remember this movie because it really was
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: kind of groundbreaking and it's bound and you're, it was,
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: you were a lesbian. You were, Working on this house,
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: you fall in love with Jennifer Tilly, who is, you know,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: so fun. On this show, we all watch Real Housewives
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: of Beverly Hills.
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: Jennifer's the best.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: So she's super funny on it and just, you know,
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: and was a great actress. Perfect for this role because
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: she plays a mob.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Awful mob guys, you know, abused girlfriends.
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: Of course, she's like, is happy to have like a
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: sexy lesbian girlfriend. And so tell me a little bit
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: about that. Was that the first time you played a
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: gay character?
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: Well, I was, I was just coming off of Showgirls
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: where I was, I guess, technically.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Showgirls came before this?
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: Oh, I thought this was before Showgirls. They kind of
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: were around the same time. I mean, playing Showgirls, um,
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: I wasn't, you know, I was, I don't even call
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: her bisexual. I call her whatever sexual, power sexual. I
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: think that character would have slept and done anyone to
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: achieve her ambitions, you know?
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: But I kiss guys in that. I kiss girls in that.
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: Who knows what she does?
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: But I think Inbound was my first, she was my
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: first real lesbian who, you know, happened to be an ex-convent,
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: who happened to be getting out of, prison. And to me,
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: that story was all about learning how to trust, you know, yes,
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: she was bound in the closet and, you know, it
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: was a very beautiful lesbian love story where I got
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: to be the hero. You know, it's usually I played
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: the typical guy's part. And in fact, Warner Brothers, I
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: think it was Warner Brothers said to the Wachowskis, we'll
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: give you a lot more money, just make Corky a guy.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: It's a typical noir blah, blah, blah, and they're like, no,
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: she's staying a woman.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Right, the noir of, like, the girl gets her lover
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: to take care of her awful husband, that type of story.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the noir woman who's kind of shady, she probably
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: has a secret idea, she wants to off her mafia boyfriend. Right.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: Usually probably screws over the hero at some point, or
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: maybe not, you know, maybe they end up together. But structurally,
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: it really fit that, except Corky, the guy, the hero,
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: happened to be a woman. Yeah.
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: So I was like, Ooh, I want to play that.
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: That sounds cool.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: And how was it?
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Like when, did you already have the part before you
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: ever met Jennifer or did you have chemistry tests and stuff?
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: No. I think when I, when I first started talking
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: to the Wachowskis about the part, I wasn't, I think
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: they weren't sure. And I wasn't sure like, as I,
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: am I going to be quirky or am I going
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: to be Violet? Cause I mean, typically Violet was an
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: easier part to put me in. Cause I, you know,
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: especially coming off of Showgirls, although no one had seen
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: that yet because we had just finished wrapping. But I
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: was like, guys, and they were guys then, I was like,
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: I want to play Corky. I want to cut my
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: hair off, cut my nails off, not wear makeup, you know, quote, unquote,
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: no makeup, but that no makeup look.
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: I said, this is an exciting part. Like, I never
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: get to play this.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: And so when we finally decided me on Corky, I
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: think they had Jennifer in mind. And I said, well,
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: we have to meet, you know, just because I was
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: nervous about who I was going to be playing with.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: Since coming off of Showgirls, I was a little bit,
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: I was just like, oh, my God. The work environment
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: wasn't great for me. And so as soon as I
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: met Jennifer, I think we went up to Vegas. Gosh,
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: I can't remember now. We went somewhere to meet her.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: And as soon as we started talking and she's like, oh,
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: you know, she talks a mile a minute. She's like, oh,
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: you know, I like those chants.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: She talks and talks and talks.
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: She gets up and walks around. I'm like, oh, my God,
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: she's going to make my job so easy.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: She's so entertaining. And I could just watch her. And
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: she just like she's so charming and funny. And I
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: just adored her right away. And I'm like, oh, my God,
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: I love her.
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: So, you know.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: It's a great movie.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: It was so good.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: So, wait, obviously I have a lot of questions about Showgirls.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: I saw it the minute it came out. I was
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: thoroughly entertained. I do remember that they were like, this
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: is the worst movie that ever lived.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: It wasn't... But.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: But like in the previews and stuff, it looked to
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: me like I was so excited. It was going to
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: be juicy. I love stories about Las Vegas.
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I like the genre of it.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: I love it of like where it's like Hollywood, but
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: everything is quicker and faster and sadder and more dangerous
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: than trying to make it in Hollywood. So the backdrop
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: of it and everything was great. But then there were
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: some scenes that, you know, got people to go, is
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: this crazy? But I and I'm not just saying this
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: because you're sitting across from me, but I really liked
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: your character.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: I like that you were the showgirl.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: That had, you know, been around a minute and she
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: was the new girl. And it was like, is she
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: a bitch or is she trying to help her?
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: Like, I thought.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: So tell me, let's talk a little bit about it. Like,
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: what were you thinking when you got the part? Like,
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: what was your feeling?
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, I talk a lot about it in the
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: book just because, you know, after 30 years, which is
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: now 30 years, the people were like, this is the
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: worst movie. People cannot wait to talk about Showgirls. Like,
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: it's just like the movie that just keeps on giving.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: You know, I was excited when I got it. It
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: was Paul Verhoeven and who I'd been a huge fan
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: of from his Dutch films. You know, I was really
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: into Spetters and, you know, Soldier of Orange and all that.
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: And they'd just done Basic Instinct, you know, Esther House.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: And when I read it, you know, I've always been
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: a big fan of All About Eve, one of my
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: favorite movies ever. And I was always like, oh, I'm
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: the Eve character. And I'm like, wait a second. Can
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: I actually be the.
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: Margot character in this? You know, and I felt I
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: was kind of in between that.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't even think about the All About Eve
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: element of this. Oh, yeah.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Just for people that don't know, All About Eve was
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: a great movie where she was a big theater actress.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: It was an old movie. And her understudy?
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Or was it her assistant?
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: No, Betty Davis is a big, huge diva star.
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: She's fabulous.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: She has her husband, who's a wonderful writer. And then
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: along comes the Eve character, who's just so innocent.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: And she just.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: wants to watch her and be her understudy because she
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: wants to be an actress too, but she just is
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: in love with Margot, who's larger than life, super diva.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: And then, of course, little Eve conniving Eve, which we
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: don't realize until later, little by little, you know, doesn't
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: push Margot down the stairs, but she plots it so
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: then she becomes the big star, right?
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: It's a fabulous movie if you haven't seen it.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: And she does end up with her husband, right, too?
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: And she ends up stealing the husband.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: And you know, it is a story that is as old.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: As old as time. It really is as old as time.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: It still happens today. I think people can relate to it. Whatever,
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: whether it's a, yes, you think you're mentoring someone or
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: it's an assistant or whatever.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: And you're like, is this at all about Eve's situation?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: What the fuck is this?
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: You know, but the only line I really remember in Showgirls,
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: people always come up in the say things and I'm like, uh-huh.
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: Like, I'm like, why are they saying these weird things
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: to me?
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: But there's, and I'm, of course, I'm going to totally
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: paraphrase it, but it's, and I'm sure Jo Esther House
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: got it from someone else that I should probably figure
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: out who that was. But it's like, there's always someone
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: younger and hungrier walking down the stairs after you.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good.
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: Right. And of course, she ends up pushing you down
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: the stairs.
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: There's always someone trying to take your place in this,
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: you know, but really look watching Showgirls now. I didn't
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: see it then because I was too traumatized by the
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: whole thing.
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: You know, it's really a story about, you know, as.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: Paul is very sneaky with his other movies about ugly America,
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: about fascism, about capitalism, about. power dynamics. Because at the time,
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: I'm like, why is this rape scene in here? Just like,
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: get rid of it. And now I'm like, of course,
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: it's got to be in there. Because, you know, the
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: powerful and the whole patriarchal system of it, like, of course,
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: they get away with it, you know, until the women
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: come back and get their comeuppance, which is what I think,
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: you know, is exciting in it.
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: But I didn't see it at the time.
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: I just thought, oh, my God, I've got to get
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: in their job right away to show that I'm really
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: an actress.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Because this is So when you were doing it and
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: filming it, were, did, was it a pleasant experience? Were
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: you excited for the outcome and then was disappointed in
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: the feedback or what was it?
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: You really got to read.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: There's like five chapters. I heard there was five chapters.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: What can you share with us so that people still
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: get the five chapters? I mean, I, I feel like, um,
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: That's such an interesting thing because you never know when
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: you get a role. I'm sure there's been times with
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: you and there's been little things with me and going
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: out and things where I laugh about it now.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Like when I went out to.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: Be the host of American Idol and they described the
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: show to me and I did audition for it, but
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: I remember thinking, this thing's never going to make it.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Like there's been like a couple of moments where, or
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: I've read a script for like a pilot and I've
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: been like, this is the dumbest thing.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: This doesn't even make sense. Like, and I never got
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: it anyway. It wouldn't matter.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: But where I'm like, I'm like, clearly my picker was off.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: So I always think when you're reading a script or
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: you're seeing, you don't really know, you know, what it's
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: going to, what the final product is going to be
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: or what the feat or, or maybe even times where
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: you thought something wasn't going to be a hit has
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: become a hit, you know?
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: I think, for me, my, you know, I'm sure other
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: people do this as well. A lot of people, like,
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: maybe it's the director person in me. Like when I
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: read the script, I, first of all, I, I see
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: what I, in my mind, I think, oh my God,
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: this is going to be so incredible. And also thinking
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: about Paul Verhoeven. So I know his films and I'm like, whoa,
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: this is gonna be so dark. This is gonna be
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: so cool. I fell in love with the part. I'm like, wow,
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: I get to I mean, I had to lie about
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: my age and pretend I was older and all that stuff,
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: but I ended up eventually getting it.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: So I thought it was going to be, and I prepared.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: In my head a very particular part, very Margot, very like,
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: you know, there's the Aphrodite psyche story that I really
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: kind of grabbed onto.
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: And the Margot and Eve of it all. But then
• 42:47
  Speaker 7: I got to set. And it was a totally different movie.
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: I was like, oh, huh.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Like what?
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: You know, I think I'm doing a black and white
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: intense film. And then it's like Technicolor sparkles, you know.
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: And and so like I mean.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: Even the poster is I'm sure not what you this
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: is one of the posters.
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: I've never even seen this.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: There were different posters. I just kind of thought this
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: was great just because like.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Your name's on it.
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but that's not me. That's Elizabeth.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: No, down here, your name, Gina. Oh, yeah, there's my name.
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: Well, yeah, my name should be. I'm like the star
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: of the show.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Right, I know, I know.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: So what I was looking at, but the other one
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: was just the leg. That poster is kind of sexy.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Which honestly is more like chic.
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I thought the poster was a big mistake.
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: I came in to the guys.
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: I remember I was going to the production office, and
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: I had this inspired idea. I said, oh, my God,
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: I know what the poster should be. I know what
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: we should do to advertise it. Because I was driving
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: on Sunset. I said, we should have a billboard. And, like,
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: there'd be a curtain with lights around it. And every day,
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: it's like 100 days to Showgirl, 99 days to Showgirl. And, like,
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: the curtain keeps rising little by little. And you see
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: the leg, the shoe, not wearing much. And at the
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: very end, it's, you know, one of those, like, kind
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: of nudie girls, like a burlesque thing.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Like, Showgirl, Showgirl. But, like, fun.
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: Because I thought, oh, this is a fun movie.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: And then they said, oh, no, this is the poster
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: we're using. And I was like, what?
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: Like, wait, what?
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: First of all, it was a known photograph that was
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: like ripped off from this photo. I can't, Angela, oh
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: my God, I'm spacing out on the, you know, it
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: was a photo I had seen. I'm like that, I've
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: seen this. They're like, oh yeah, we're taking this image
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: and doing that. I just thought it was way too serious.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: And I said, but it's so serious. And I thought, oh,
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: do these guys think this is a serious movie? And
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, I realized at some point I was probably,
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: I had to changed my way of thinking to make
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: it make sense so I did 180 degrees with my
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: character just so I could have fun with it yeah
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: but then I thought wow I think they're selling this
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: as a serious film I don't know I was clearly
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: in a different movie.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: That is so interesting because I think that's what maybe
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: the confusion from the audience and maybe some of the
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: criticism was is because you didn't understand when Elizabeth Berkley
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: was like, get all mad.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: And there were these lines and people were like, what
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: the hell is this? Who acts like this?
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: And it was more of those things where you're in
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: the movie theater and people are laughing at things that
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: they shouldn't be laughing at. And so that's kind of where...
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: But then it became like this cult classic that people just.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: And, you know, and it's interesting, too, that you've had
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: such a, you know, a great varied career and stuff
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: that like probably what that must have been like, you know,
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: where there were real reviews like Roger and Ebert reviews,
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: not just a million people just, you know, doing Rotten
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: Tomatoes or whatever. And you kind of have to see that.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: As you know, as a major Hollywood star, like. Like,
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: how does that work? Like, you said I need to
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: get a job right away. Well, I wasn't a Hollywood
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: star then. That was a big break for me.
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: I'd done little movies here and there, but I never
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: had a lead in a film quite like that. And I,
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: you know, listen, I didn't direct it. I didn't produce it.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: As an actress, I go in and my only job
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: is to do the best job possible.
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: I can, you know. And when I'm hanging.
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: From a rope in, like, a little S & M outfit,
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: watching all these naked dancers below me, it really occurred
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: to me, like, wow, how did I get here? Like,
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: I studied the classics. You know, I wanted to play
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: Antigone and Medea. And I'm going to do a lot
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: of Chekhov. And I thought, you know what, we better
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: be really good in this, really good, else we're not
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: going to have a career. And so I was very.
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: I stayed on my own track of what I wanted
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: to do. And, you know, I, you know, there's just
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: a few, but for most part, I, I kind of
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: walked away unscathed, you know, the rest of the movie
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: got like lambasted.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Which by the way, isn't fun either. I thought you
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: were a very believable character.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: Like I believe this girl worked in Vegas all these years,
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: you know, like you could, and she's like, You know,
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: she's a great character.
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: And I, you know, I did a good I did
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: the best job I could. And I but it's just
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: it's hard when you're the one getting good reviews and
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: everything else is getting slammed. It doesn't make you feel great.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: You know, I mean, thankful that I'm not included in
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: all that. But, you know, listen, reviews. I learned a
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: lot from that because, you know, if you read the
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: good ones, if you believe the good ones, you have
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: to believe the bad ones. And, you know, it's just
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: an opinion. And some of those same journals were like,
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: this is the worst movie ever. You know, for years
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: and years and years.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: They're like, so let's talk about Showgirls. I really like that.
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: People would say, I really like that movie, secretly.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: And, you know, I'll.
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: Tell you, the only person, and I know he's been
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: very controversial lately with a couple things, but God bless
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: Quentin Tarantino. He was the only, like, kind of a
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: major player at that point. He came out with a
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: big article saying, I love Showgirls, and these are the
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: reasons why.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, God, good for you, because everyone.
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: was just kind of going along with the tide saying, oh,
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: they're saying it's bad.
• 48:16
  Speaker 7: Well, I better say it's bad too. And people sometimes
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: don't have their own opinion.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: So I really.
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: Appreciated that he supported the movie.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, it was.
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: So anyway, before it came out, it was supposed to
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: be this big brouhaha, but I secretly in my head
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: thought I better show that I'm actually a real actress
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: because I don't know what this movie is going to do.
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: That's when I said to my agents, find me something fast.
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: And they were like, no, we're going to put you
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: in a big studio thing.
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: We're going to do this.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: And when I read Bound, I'm like, I want to
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: do that. I want to do that. And I want
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: to do that now. And they were shooting it now.
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, I couldn't find a part that was
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: so diametrically opposed to everything that Showgirls was.
• 49:02
  Speaker 7: And so I thought, perfect.
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: And what was your relationship like? You've always had, you know,
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: you've always been you know, sexy, great body. How was
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: it like doing more, showing off your body more on
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: film and acting? Like, did you like what was your
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: relationship with that did you enjoy.
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: It i mean i talk a lot about that in
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: the book you know these are things i address like
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: through a lot of different chapters um.
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: You know, listen, I grew up, I was a dancer.
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: I was a modern dancer.
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: Me and my girlfriends, we'd take off our tops and
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: we'd do our Martha Graham movements, you know. So the
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: dancing part to me wasn't that big of a deal
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: because I just.
• 49:47
  Speaker 7: I was a dancer.
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: And originally, I actually never was really supposed to show
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: my body in it. A little, systematically, like all of
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: a sudden you saw my chest, you know, and, you know,
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: the one, the most, naked kind of you see me
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: in is in that, in the big volcano scene. And
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: I have a, there's a whole chapter about that specifically, um,
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: about how it turned into a G string from that,
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: you know, uh, you know, listen, I, I don't have
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: a problem with anything really, as long as it's justified,
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: as long as.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: It makes sense for the character and the story.
• 50:30
  Speaker 7: How does this move the story forward?
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: What does this do? There's a whole chapter about.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: It's one of my favorite chapters, you know. I called
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: out Crazy the Crazy, I believe that it is, when
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: all of a sudden, you know, it came to my attention.
• 50:45
  Speaker 7: Like, oh, we need to be totally naked in this scene.
• 50:47
  Speaker 7: I'm like, what? Like, you know.
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: And I talk a lot about that, how I kind
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: of wiggled out of that one.
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: Although, you know, listen... Anyone.
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: Who is going to be, especially now, I mean, forget
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: intimacy coordinators.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: We didn't have that then, but this is why you
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: have- That's what I was going to ask you.
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: When did that start happening to have intimacy coordinators?
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Not until, I don't know, last 10 years.
• 51:14
  Speaker 7: I don't even know.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like the last 10 years.
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: It's not really my, I'm not so used to- This
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: is why you have lawyers. This is why you make
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: a contract ahead of time. And it's not very sexy,
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: but you go very systematically through, oh, you'll see 5%
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: of my hand, okay, on a screen of this. And
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: you go through every sex scene, every nudity scene. So
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: you are protected, you know, in case all of a
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: sudden your director turns out to be a psycho saying,
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: we're going to do it like this.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: And it's like, well, no, actually, I don't have to
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: because- We discussed this ahead of time.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: Unless you're a smaller player or a stunt woman or something,
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: sometimes you maybe don't have the say because it's like,
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: do switch it up.
• 51:57
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: I think it's really important whether you have a lawyer
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: or not, then you have those conversations ahead of time.
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: And I could certainly sympathize. And obviously it's happened a
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: lot as we've seen in the last few years. And
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: that's one of the reasons I wrote this book as well.
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: When I talked to some actresses and they're like, oh
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: my God, this is what, is happening on the set.
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: And I'm listening like, dude, you can't like, A, you
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: have to look the person in the eye and say, hey,
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm not really comfortable doing that. Tell me
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: exactly why. And they're so intimidated or stressed out, which
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: I can appreciate. And everyone's like, well, you're so tough.
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: You know, you know how to do that. But like,
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: I wasn't always tough. That's all those. I set up
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: the valley for a very specific reason. to show how
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: I had to learn how to have an antenna and
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: this and that.
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: But, you know, at the.
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: Very least, I just am a big believer in don't
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: do anything you don't want to do, you know, that
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: doesn't feel right to you, right? And I'm sorry, like I,
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: you know, I feel really horrible and bad for, you know,
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: a lot of these people are victims and because they
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: have no say, right? What about the person that's going
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: to be deported somewhere unless they do something horrible with
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: their boss? Like, these are the people we have to
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: be protecting, right?
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: Right, exactly.
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: And unfortunately, and hopefully fortunately in the future, I don't
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: know why we don't have this now, there's a thing
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: called accountability and consequences. And maybe that will prove to
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: be a deterrent for the future because the people who
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: really don't know how to defend themselves and really kind
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: of get in a situation, you know, we definitely need
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: to help protect.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: And I definitely think in Hollywood, especially, but in a
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: lot of industries, if you do stick up for yourself
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: or demand or whatever, then you know what?
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: They don't ever have to hire you again.
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: And they could also tell their friends, don't you hire
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: them either because now they have a bad story about
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: me and I don't want them telling that story in
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: the room.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: And that is the.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: Blackballing thing that happens. And I think that's why people
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: do Stay quiet. It's why we have a union. But
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: even if you go through the right channels, it's still,
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: it's a subjective thing. You just weren't right for the
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: part and you never got another part.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: And you're like, okay.
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: I'm sure I've lost at least 35% of roles because
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: I didn't play along or.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: You didn't comply.
• 54:25
  Speaker 7: There's, you know, the head of the agency was like, oh,
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: let's go out.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, oh, for lunch. Good business. And
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: then you realize, oh no, this is a. oh, this
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: is a date date.
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: Like, oh no, no, I have a boyfriend. Like I
• 54:37
  Speaker 7: always just said I had a boyfriend, but.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Then, you know, but these are choices. And you know what?
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: If all of a sudden, if I was like, oh
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: my God, I want to be famous. I want to
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: make money. I want to do this and that. And
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: if that was a way to get what I wanted,
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: you know what? That's between me and me. And I
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: just have to own up to it, right? I don't
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: judge anyone for their choices, but be clear with what
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: your choices are. And if you don't want to do
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: that and you're not comfortable either you know, a lot,
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: some of these stories, a lot of these stories is
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: how I kind of manipulated my way out without completely
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: confronting these little egos so they could completely blackball you.
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: But like, you know, as women, there's so many ways
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: you're like, oh, like what? And then you get out
• 55:23
  Speaker 7: of it.
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: And, you know, listen, I get along with, I haven't
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: met a wild animal I haven't been killed by, you know,
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: whether it's dangerous, you know, swimming with alligators or snakes.
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: you know, or wolves or, you know, I'm very good.
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: With animals and yet I wouldn't walk through a jungle
• 55:43
  Speaker 7: after dark by myself.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: Because animals are animals. Don't put yourself in a situation
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: that is, you know, could potentially be very dangerous.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, I've always said, because I've been doing this
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: show since the beginning of the Me Too and I
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: covered it all in the Harvey Weinsteins and stuff. And
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: in hearing all these stories and, you know, with actors
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: and things, I'm like, I am still waiting for the
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: one actress who doesn't give a fuck anymore, is a
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: woman of a certain age, who will tell the true
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: story of like, yeah, I did do this.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: So that I could get that part.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: And once I got that part and showed the world
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: what a great actress I was, I never had to
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: do it again. But I felt that was my only
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: choice because I was at this level or because I
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: didn't have a good agent or because I wanted a
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: nepo baby. You know, there's so many people and I
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: just want one person just to like tell their juicy story.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: I think you'll be probably waiting a long time to
• 56:50
  Speaker 7: hear that story.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: I probably will. But it must exist, right? I'm sure
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: it does. I mean, we all have our things of like... Yeah.
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: Listen, I tell another story in there and it's the
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: one I don't really name the actor because my job
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: isn't to throw anyone under the bus. Yeah. But it
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: was very clearly, it was the closest thing to like
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: a casting couch because I kept saying, what am I,
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: chopped liver?
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: How come I never.
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: Although it's so funny. I kept, I said that in
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: the book, like no one ever really did that to me.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: And this woman who read the whole book, she tried
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: to hit on you or whatever. No, she was just like,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: she goes, you say you don't have that.
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: She goes, but you literally have story after story after
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: story where you were navigating.
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: I said, you know what?
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: I realized that now.
• 57:29
  Speaker 7: I didn't realize it then just because I'm like, you're.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Just like dodging bullets. Well, we're so used to that.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: And I was so used to that in the Valley
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: dealing with that.
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: But there was one story where the guy at the
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: casting thing, he's like, oh, you're so cute.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Why don't you stand up? And walk around and and.
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: I remember like like this is gross like you know
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: good luck if you're gonna get gross i actually i'm
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: gonna leave he's like no no no i think you
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: should be my wife and i'm like thinking oh you
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: gotta kiss this guy if you do that i'm like
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: no good i'm good with it just two days of
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: work anyway i thought for sure i would never get
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: the job.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: You mean he was like i want you to play
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: my wife yeah oh okay play my wife bigger part.
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: Bigger part and i thought oh i have to kiss
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: him no i don't want to do that i said
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: no i'm good with this the two days and Anyway,
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: I thought there's no way I got that because I
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: was like, listen, you're getting weird.
• 58:13
  Speaker 7: Like, I'm out.
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: Good luck with your movie, you know, because I thought
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: this isn't worth it. And I still got cast. And
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: then I was on the set and he said something weird.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, you know what? And I mean, who
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: was I? I was doing theater then.
• 58:25
  Speaker 7: I was just like.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: You were young. Yeah.
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: I was like, we could get along just great if
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: you just don't talk to me anymore.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: And I thought, I'm going to get fired. And guess what?
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: I didn't get fired. But it's like I didn't want someone.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: I didn't want him talking to me like that. So
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: you have to either.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's so interesting and it is so
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: hard to do. But it is kind of like, you know,
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: when they say... Especially if you're like walking on the
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: street and you feel like somebody's walking behind you, like
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: the thing that you're supposed to do is like turn around,
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: look them down and be like, get the fuck away
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: from me. And then you like act crazy, get crazy back,
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: be direct.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Out crazy the crazy. Yeah, that's going to be a
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: good chapter.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, being also just... you know, just calling them on like,
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: was that supposed to be funny? Are you trying to
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: be funny with like, you know, the women that can
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: do that, which is not me. I was a person
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: that laughed at the gross joke because I was like
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: uncomfortable and wanted this old man to feel comfortable. And
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: I was like, I love it when, when a woman
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: calls it out and is like really firm. And if
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: you do it the way you did it. So I
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: want everyone to read this book. The way you do it,
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: it's like, it's a strong, it's a strong way. It's
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: in the moment, but it's also not making them feel
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: that they do have to fire you because they're so
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: insecure now.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Like you did it just the right way. It sounds like.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: It's yeah, but you, I learned how to do it.
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's a story in there about when I
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: went to the Playboy Mansion when I was 15.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: I'd never been to a mansion. I didn't know what
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: a heck was. Now, how did you get invited to that? Oh,
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: my God. You got to read the book. I mean,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: there's all these.
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: You're going to like this book because there's so many
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: of these stories that you're... But they're just so long.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know how I look at the time. No,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: and I want... Well, yeah, we want people to buy
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: the book. Yeah, buy the book. There's all these stories.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: Buy the book, read all these juicy... And I love
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: that there are little stories because I think.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could jump around. That also is so good
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: because people, you know, their intention... though people are reading
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: a lot more.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: Books that's coming back in, but I love essay funny
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: books that tie together, but also that you.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can jump around.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 7: I know, me too.
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  Speaker 5: But I remember when I was at the, I went to,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: ended up, there's a whole long story to get into it,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: but at the end, at one point, I'm 15 and
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: I'm at the Playboy Mansion for the first time. And
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: there's some guy saying, do you want me to show
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: you around?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: I've never been to a mansion. I'm like, this is rad. Like,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: free pinball, free food. This is cool.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: You know, I.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: Was so naive, right? And then he shows, and my
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: mom's an interior decorator. I'm like, oh, I can't wait
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: to tell my mom about the molding on this.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Look at that molding. That's beautiful. So he shows me
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: the red room, this room, this.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: And then he's like, do you want to see the grotto?
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, thinking, what the fuck is a grotto?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, sure.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 7: I want to see a grotto. I thought it was
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 7: like an animal or something. I had no idea.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: And then, of course, it's the inside of the pool,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: and there's a couple people swimming naked around it. And
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: I was like, whoa, this is an interesting structure.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: And he's like, so should we take a swim? And
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: only then I realized, oh, my God, is this guy
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: totally hitting on me? And how old was the guy?
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Ancient. He must have been at least in his 30s.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: Right, but that's where, like, the innocence is, too, because
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: when girls are in that position, even if it's someone who's,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: you know, they're contemporary and they think, like, you're just
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: some guy– but you just think they really want to
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: be your friend or they're so older and unattractive.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: You're like, how would you think I'd ever like you?
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: I wasn't even thinking about it. I was like, oh,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: this is neat. Oh, look at rocks in the water.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: That's so cool. Because you're 15, that's why.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: And then when he said that, when I realized he
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: was hitting on me, I just looked at him and
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: I was so, I said, dude, you know, I'm only 15.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: You could get in so much trouble. And he laughed.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 7: He goes, ha ha ha. What are you, 23, 24?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, I'm only 15.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: I'm seriously 15.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: You could get.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 7: In a lot of trouble. And I was just laughing
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 7: my head off.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: That guy ran.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 7: He didn't even back away like the other people.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: He just like ran. And I was like, oh, like,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: but it was coming from a very innocent place.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: And I think later on with the whole alpha pussy thing,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: when that started thinking, shit, I got to alpha pussy
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: this situation.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: It was definitely, you know, sometimes you don't want to
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: lose a job. Sometimes you don't. So you have to.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: Figure out a way to sometimes, you know, caress in
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: a way not to like totally destroy their ego, but.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: To, I find sometimes just looking at them in the
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: eye and just say, oh, I see. I was like,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: oh my God, that's, yeah, that's making me so uncomfortable. Like,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, I'm doing this, I'm doing that. And owning
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: up to it.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: And then they get uncomfortable and they walk away.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: You have to finesse it, you know? And it's, it's,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: it's just about, uh, and anyone could do it. It's
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: not just a female thing. It's any, there's other bully
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: stories where people were pushing me and I had to
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: figure out how do I get out of this? And
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: believe me, sometimes I was not very elegant about it.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: I just like, you know, jumped on them and ended
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: up breaking my nose or, you know, I had a
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: lot of rage in me as well.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: Um, I don't know.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: I just think obviously toxic people and bullies and people
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: trying to push you around and telling you what to do,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: they're not going away. So to me, it's important to
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: have agency, know yourself, understand what it is that you
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: want and, you know, just do what feels and listen
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: to your instincts. And if you don't care how you
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: get a job or if you're going to be pushed
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: around because you want to get, then, anything is fine.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: This is not a how-to book. This is not a like,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: you know, guide to whatever. This is just how I
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: navigated my own personal journey. And if people love the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: stories because they're kind of funny and if they get
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: something from it, like, oh, the Alpha Pussy concept, that's
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: a good idea.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: And that works.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: Amazing. I love that.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, you've worked in this business for, you know,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: a long time, many decades of just the nineties and on,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: and you continue to work like the industry, you know,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: we hear all the time it's changed so much and,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: you know, there's not enough production here in LA and
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: people aren't going to movies or whatever.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: Like, what do you want for your future?
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: What do you see happening in this business for you
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: going on, continuing to act and direct and doing all
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: the things you do?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: I think the next, you know, I think, I think I've,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: kind of got into the writing bug all of a
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: sudden um but I have I what I like to
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: do I've written one script but kind of set aside
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: but I want to you know address that and I'm
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: in the middle of finishing another script that I'm absolutely
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: obsessed with and these are parts that I would play
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: so to me if I could write scripts that I
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: think are really cool and get cool people involved and
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: I get to do it that's exciting that that's really
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: exciting to me and it's the only I mean it's
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: listen if someone just offers me a part that I
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: think is cool, like that's the.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: Easiest gig to me.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: That's like, Oh my God, I love this. This makes
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 7: life easy. You don't have to do the whole thing.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: But until I find that I'm still interested in exploring
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: characters that I want to explore and I like stories.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: So if it's a, I'm really into original stories, you know,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: I'm just sick of seeing the same story again and again.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: I like supporting first time directors. I like supporting just fresh,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: you know, stories and projects just because they're harder and
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: harder to come by.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 7: And, you know, I like a good story. I'm a storyteller.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: And if I get to act in it, something that's
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: a fun part, different for me to play, amazing. Or
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: if I just write it or I don't know, then
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: I might just turn around and start painting for a while.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: Or do you paint? I started to during COVID and
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: I think I'm really into it. But, you know, that's
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: so cool.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 7: I don't know if it's an age thing or a
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 7: COVID thing, but I used to be able to multitask.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: And I can't.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 7: It's like once I go into one thing, it's all
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 7: I'm doing. You know, once I go into this, that's
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 7: all I'm doing.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: So like it took me a while to write this because,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: of course, my day job, which is acting, all of
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: a sudden I'd get a gig and I have to
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: put everything aside.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: You could write at night.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 7: And do your acting a day. I'm like, I don't
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 7: know how to do that. I can't. I just get
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 7: absorbed in what I'm doing.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: Well, this was a real thrill for me to get
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: to talk to you.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: And the book is Alpha Pussy. And so juicy.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: And I think you teased it just enough that everyone
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: needs to buy it. And where can they follow you
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: on Instagram and make sure that they- I'm.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: Just, I'm only on Instagram. I'm not on any of
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 5: the other social medias. And my name is, what's my
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: name on Instagram? It's just Gina Gershon.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Gina Gershon.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: It's Gina Gershon. And of course you can get the book.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: But there's other Gina Gershon's ideas. You have to look
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 7: for the little blue dot.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: Did you do an audio version too?
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 7: I did an audio version.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: I believe it's out now. Yeah, everyone loves an audio version. Yeah,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: I listen to audio all the time.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: And especially when it's.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Your story and your voice.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: And like, I think that's super valuable. So get the
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: book if you want to read it. Otherwise, get the
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: audio version. Thank you so much, Gina. This was really fun.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: So great to get to know you.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: So fun.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 7: Thank you.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: Thank you. One reward. Endless choice.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: Skip the hassle, reward the easy way.