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Pizza, Business, Mob & Prison Stories with George Martorano & Albert Scalleat · WiseKracks

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome back to Wisecrack Special Edition. John Orlando
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  Speaker 1: and I over here at Circa. We have some great
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  Speaker 1: special guests. We've had George Martorano on before, got fifty
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  Speaker 1: thousand views on YouTube, and we brought him back on here.
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  Speaker 1: George's back in town. Also bringing my good buddy Al
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  Speaker 1: Scalliot owns Dom DeMarco's Pizzeria on Charleston, great pizza place,
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  Speaker 1: old school packed. I was there on Friday night with George.
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  Speaker 1: I hate to omit this. We couldn't get a seat,
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  Speaker 1: George Friday night. I didn't know. I hate to say it.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know it was going to be that packed.
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  Speaker 1: It's the summertime, so summertime is the time that any
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  Speaker 1: locals leave town on vacation. John, we couldn't get a spot. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we had to eat in the kitchen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I must have missed the indite.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you, John, like I've said,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to miss on camera in front of
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  Speaker 1: our old school guys here. You usually don't want to
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  Speaker 1: hang out with me because he's got John's got the
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  Speaker 1: upper rational on this guy. You know, he's got like
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  Speaker 1: real high end people that he usually I try to
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  Speaker 1: invite them to dinner. I go to like good, nice restaurants.
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  Speaker 1: He did come to Carbone last time. Oh, John's one
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  Speaker 1: of the guys that I talked about. John orders food
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  Speaker 1: to go, so it's my com He knows I'm paying,
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  Speaker 1: and he said, well, let me get my girl. I
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  Speaker 1: think you got a full meal and a dessert.
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 1: It's all right, it's no big deal. I got I paid. Wait,
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  Speaker 1: it's okay, you know it's listen, John, I know what
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  Speaker 1: your dad doesn't do stuff like that. That's the main thing.
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  Speaker 1: So but anyway, it's not a big deal to go
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  Speaker 1: and give me a slice of pie to go to
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  Speaker 1: I talked about. I'm going to show. He doesn't even
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  Speaker 1: know it was him. But anyway, so I want to
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  Speaker 1: let let's talk to Let's see what's going on in
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  Speaker 1: these guys.
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  Speaker 2: First.
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  Speaker 1: I want to start with al Albert. So, Albert, how
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  Speaker 1: long have you been in this pizza business? How long?
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  Speaker 3: Sixty years? I opened my first Peach of Me in
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  Speaker 3: nineteen sixty six in Fresno, California.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, but you're from back home. What
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  Speaker 1: are you doing in Fresno?
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  Speaker 3: I went to Fresnoe to get my master's degree. And
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  Speaker 3: while I was there, there was a guy had a
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  Speaker 3: petzie I just opened that. He was from New York.
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  Speaker 3: He was right across the street from the college, so
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  Speaker 3: I used to go in there every day MBS with him.
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  Speaker 3: He's a real nice guy. And he said to me,
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  Speaker 3: my wife hates California. She misses the season, she misses
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  Speaker 3: her family. I gotta sell this place, he said, I'm
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  Speaker 3: trying to get eighty five thousand. That's what I have
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  Speaker 3: in it. Well, and those that in eighteen sixty six
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  Speaker 3: eighty five thousand, let me forget about it and have
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  Speaker 3: two cents. So I said, okay, well, good luck. A
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  Speaker 3: couple months. A couple months later, I go back in there. Well,
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  Speaker 3: not a couple months. I used to go in there
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  Speaker 3: almost every night. But in a couple months he said
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  Speaker 3: to me, boy, my wife said she's gonna divorce me
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  Speaker 3: if I don't move back home. He said, I gotta
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  Speaker 3: sell this place. I gotta get thirty five thousand, thirty
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  Speaker 3: five eighty five the same to me and have two cents.
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  Speaker 3: A couple of weeks go by, I go in and
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  Speaker 3: he said, she told me she's given me two weeks,
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  Speaker 3: I gotta be back. He said, if I could get
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  Speaker 3: somebody to take over the lease. I said, how much
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  Speaker 3: is that least? So I took over the least. That
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  Speaker 3: was my first pizza. But I knew how to make
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  Speaker 3: pizza because my aunt. My aunt Sue had a restaurant
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  Speaker 3: in Allentown, Pennsylvania from the fifties and I used to
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  Speaker 3: go there and watch this is and everything. But I
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  Speaker 3: learned how to make pizza there, so when I took
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  Speaker 3: over the place, I already knew how to make it.
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  Speaker 1: Now, tell people where you're actually from. What town are
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  Speaker 1: you from?
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  Speaker 3: Hazelton, Pennsylvania?
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  Speaker 1: Did they are? They known him for good pizza in Hazelton?
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  Speaker 3: I know necessarily you have great Italian food. You could
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  Speaker 3: go a half hour away to Old Forge and they're
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  Speaker 3: known for.
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  Speaker 1: Pizza Forge, the self proclaimed pizza capital. I like the
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  Speaker 1: square pies. I've been to Old Forge many times. Caro
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  Speaker 1: and Janelle's and some other place there. I've been there.
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  Speaker 1: It's more of a Sicilian. I don't know, is that
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  Speaker 1: Sicilian or no album.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a Sicilia.
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  Speaker 1: You have a pie right now, I don't think it's
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  Speaker 1: on the menu yet. You're calling it a tomato pote. Correct,
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  Speaker 1: It's a thick, thick pot.
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  Speaker 3: Tell you what, I love this pie. The reason I
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  Speaker 3: call the tomato pie is because we use the most
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  Speaker 3: expensive yellow and red tomatoes you could get in what
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  Speaker 3: a taste and on our dough. It's a thicker dough
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  Speaker 3: with this tomato and our ingredients that we put in
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  Speaker 3: it is. I love it. It's the best pizza I
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  Speaker 3: ever had in my life.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great pizza. It really is great. But you
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  Speaker 1: were also known because of Dom de Marco's You knew Dom.
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  Speaker 1: You actually went there and you studied under Dom DeMarco,
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  Speaker 1: the famous Brooklyn pizza place.
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  Speaker 3: In the Fara Pizza. I had never heard of the
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  Speaker 3: Fara Pizza until two thousand and four. My son inlaw
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  Speaker 3: and I, Jeff Lapour, we were getting ready to open
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  Speaker 3: a hotel on Town Center and the two fifteen here
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  Speaker 3: in Las Vegas, and we were in the White Plains,
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  Speaker 3: New York talking to these guys about restaurants, about hotels.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, and when we got done, we started talking
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  Speaker 3: about pizza like we usually do, and the guy said,
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  Speaker 3: we have a pizza place here in Brooklyn called the
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  Speaker 3: Farah Pizza. It's the best. We gotta take you there.
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  Speaker 3: And I said to the guy, well, my favorite pizza
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  Speaker 3: is Dil Lorenzeo's Tomato Pie in Trent, New Jersey, and
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  Speaker 3: it's still one of my all time favorites. He said,
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  Speaker 3: we got to take you to the paras. So they
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  Speaker 3: take us to the Phara. I tasted the pizza. I
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  Speaker 3: fell in love with it. I said to the girl
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  Speaker 3: behind the counter. I said, I'm a retired pizza guy
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  Speaker 3: living in Vegas. I'd love to bring this pizza to Vegas.
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  Speaker 3: And real cocky. She said to me, my father gets
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  Speaker 3: offers from the suits on Wall Street all day long.
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  Speaker 3: We're not interested in doing business on anybody. She walked
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  Speaker 3: away off me standing there. Oh this was in two
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  Speaker 3: thousand and four. So every month we went back to
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  Speaker 3: White Plains, we went to the phara and every month
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  Speaker 3: she'd bow you again. There was a real pain in
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  Speaker 3: he asked to tell you the truth. So one day
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  Speaker 3: she said to me, I'm going to introduce you to
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  Speaker 3: my brother. He calls the shots around here. She introduced
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  Speaker 3: me to her brother, Dominic, and for a minute I
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  Speaker 3: was happy. Then when I got talking to him, I
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  Speaker 3: said to her, you let me from the frying pan,
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  Speaker 3: you to the fire him he's worse than you. So
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  Speaker 3: in two thousand and eight we opened the hotel. Now
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  Speaker 3: I got cards with my name on. So we go
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  Speaker 3: to White Plains. We come back, We go to Brooklyn
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  Speaker 3: and as we're walking in, I said to my son
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  Speaker 3: and I said, I got a different approach tonight. So
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  Speaker 3: we go in there and I said to Dominic Junior,
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  Speaker 3: I said, come here, and I gave him the card.
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  Speaker 3: I said, we just opened his hotel in Vegas. It's
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  Speaker 3: not a casino, but it's a beautiful hotel. I want
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  Speaker 3: to invite you and the whole family come and stay
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  Speaker 3: as long as you want. You to be my guest.
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  Speaker 3: And he put the card in his pocket and he
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  Speaker 3: said to me, why would I want to go to
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  Speaker 3: Las Vegas. I got everything I want right here on
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  Speaker 3: my street. I don't even own a car. I don't
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  Speaker 3: need a car. Everything's on my street. And he turns
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  Speaker 3: around and he walks away. I wanted to punch him
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  Speaker 3: in the face, but anyway, I went back to my
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  Speaker 3: son and I said, let's get out of here.
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  Speaker 2: We're not eating tonight.
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  Speaker 3: About two weeks go by, I get a phone call.
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  Speaker 3: I look on my phone. It's Area seven one eight,
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  Speaker 3: I said. The only guy I know in Area seven
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  Speaker 3: one is dom DeMarco. So I picked up the phone
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  Speaker 3: and answered to real cocky. I said hello. He said
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  Speaker 3: he Hell, how you doing? I said, lose this? He said, Dominic.
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  Speaker 3: I said, Dominic who? He said, from the far I said, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: what do you want? He said, listen? He said.
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  Speaker 4: I went home.
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  Speaker 3: I gave that card to my wife. I didn't know
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  Speaker 3: she watched all these shows about the Las Vegas. Now
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  Speaker 3: she wants to come to Vegas. Does the offer still stand?
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  Speaker 3: I said, you got to bring your father. He said, Listen,
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  Speaker 3: he said, my father. He came here fifty seven from Cascert, Italy.
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  Speaker 3: He said he left fourteen times. He left Brooklyn, always
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  Speaker 3: to fly back to New York, to Italy, to Concerto.
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  Speaker 3: He said, he's not coming so anyway, long story short,
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  Speaker 3: Junior came with his wife. He stayed for a week.
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  Speaker 3: At the end of the week, he said to me, look,
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  Speaker 3: he said, the reason we never did anything with anybody
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  Speaker 3: is because we get everything from Italy. Aur ingredients are imported.
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  Speaker 3: They're very expensive.
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  Speaker 2: He said.
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  Speaker 3: My father's brother works in the cheese plant in Concerto
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  Speaker 3: where they make the buffalo motts. He said, his cousin
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  Speaker 3: works in the tomato factory. He said, we get everything.
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  Speaker 3: My father said, nobody will do it. They'll ruin our reputation.
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  Speaker 3: He said, I think, I know you guys will do it.
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  Speaker 3: Not I think, he said, I'm going to talk to him,
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  Speaker 3: he said, but he's got the last word. So he
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  Speaker 3: goes back to New York. He calls me. He says,
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  Speaker 3: my father says, come on a Sunday, because over there
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  Speaker 3: on Monday and Tuesday they were closed, and then Wednesday
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  Speaker 3: to Sunday are open noon till four. Then they close
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  Speaker 3: from four to six. The old man's got to take
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  Speaker 3: a siesa wow. And then they opened sixth day or
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  Speaker 3: six to nine.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, amazing.
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  Speaker 3: So anyway, we go on a Sunday, we go back Monday,
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  Speaker 3: we meet with him and his father. Now we go
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  Speaker 3: in here in the morning. It's nine o'clock in the morning.
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  Speaker 3: They're drinking wine, wine mixed with it the coca cola,
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  Speaker 3: and I so here I am nine o'clock in the morning.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even drink, but I didn't want to embarrass
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  Speaker 3: the guy, right, So now I'm drinking wine. That's nine
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  Speaker 3: and the morning we'll buy ten. I feel my face
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  Speaker 3: getting red and I'm starting to sweat. Anyway, he said to me, Paez, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: I know what he meant, and where you come from
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  Speaker 3: in Italy? So I remember when I was a kidneys
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  Speaker 3: the letters from Italy airmail. They used to come every Friday,
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  Speaker 3: and they were red and white on the envelope and
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  Speaker 3: with the return address said free the Chendra province of Deerno.
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  Speaker 3: So when he asked me where I was from, I said,
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  Speaker 3: free the Chenda province of the Salerno. And he starts laughing.
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  Speaker 3: I said, why are you laughing? And he said I
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  Speaker 3: was in the Italian Army a two year over there.
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  Speaker 3: He said, A who to people? Who to people? An
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  Speaker 3: hour later we shook hands. We made a deal. That
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  Speaker 3: was in two thousand and eight. We never signed the
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  Speaker 3: paper a handshake. He lived up to his word. I
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  Speaker 3: lived up to my word, and we're here now. It's
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  Speaker 3: what twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great story.
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  Speaker 3: True story, unbelievable.
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  Speaker 5: The other impressive thing I heard in that story was
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  Speaker 5: in four you were opening a hotel onn Center drap
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  Speaker 5: It's still there.
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  Speaker 3: It's called the Element. We opened it in two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and eight and we sold it in twenty fourteen, but
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  Speaker 3: it's still there. It's a great hotel.
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  Speaker 2: Classic. But in fourth like that whole side of town
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  Speaker 2: was what was there?
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, it was coming along.
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  Speaker 1: It was Red Rock already there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Red Rock opened in six. I started coming
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  Speaker 3: to Vegas in sixty six. I came in September. Caesar's
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  Speaker 3: opened in August. I stayed at Caesar's for a month
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  Speaker 3: for free. But I'm not going to get into that story.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, at that time in sixty six, there was
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  Speaker 3: nothing past Decatur, and then as the years went by,
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  Speaker 3: there was nothing past Rainbow Wow. And eighty eight I
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  Speaker 3: bought us in Painted Desert. So when we were at
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  Speaker 3: least to being a casinos all night long, when we
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  Speaker 3: would leave the strip to go to the place in
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  Speaker 3: Painted Desert, when we went past Rainbow, there was nothing
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  Speaker 3: until you got up there, and then there was the
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  Speaker 3: Santa Fe on the right. But that's how much Vegas
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  Speaker 3: has your own.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: The original the Pharaoh is still there. It's Avenue J
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  Speaker 1: in Midwood. It's in Brooklyn, real famous place for people
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  Speaker 1: to Like you said, people don't leave the neighborhood. They
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  Speaker 1: don't have cars. You know, back when we were kids,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have cars. You use the public transportation or
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  Speaker 1: you walk. That's it. And if you live in the
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  Speaker 1: city or Brooklyn or one of the burroughs like that,
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  Speaker 1: that has everything around you. So let me ask you,
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  Speaker 1: are you using that sink because you make a pie,
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  Speaker 1: your your crust is just unbelievable. You your your sauce.
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  Speaker 1: Are you using the pharaoh recipes where you're actually using
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  Speaker 1: the products they used?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely? We still to this day now. Nate Caputo in
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  Speaker 3: Chicago is my cousin, and he's got delicious cheese. You know,
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  Speaker 3: capudo cheese. Everybody knows that a lot of people use it.
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  Speaker 3: I can't use it because Dominic use Pollio and I
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  Speaker 3: told them I'm gonna. I don't want somebody to go
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  Speaker 3: to Brooklyn at the Fars and have a pizza and
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  Speaker 3: then come the next week to doms and say, oh
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  Speaker 3: this is isn't the same. That has to be the same.
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  Speaker 3: So we still use everything, and it costs me a
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  Speaker 3: lot of money to get it now here in Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 3: Everything comes to Brooklyn over here if it's coming from Italy,
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  Speaker 3: it goes to Miami. From Miami, it goes to Chicago.
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  Speaker 3: From Chicago, goes to Phoenix. From Phoenix. That comes to me, Wow,
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  Speaker 3: and that costs money. But I do it because I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to be the same as said Don Demarcos.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna put you on a spot. He yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand the happy hour, Like why do you
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  Speaker 1: I was just there with George Friday. Now you couldn't move.
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  Speaker 1: What's the purpose? You get fifty percent off the tell
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  Speaker 1: them what you're do in the hours, and you do
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  Speaker 1: this in the days you're doing it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you the whole story how it even
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  Speaker 3: came about. It was in twenty thirteen, and we would
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  Speaker 3: get real busy for lunch, and then about one point
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  Speaker 3: thirty two o'clock it would die and we wouldn't get
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  Speaker 3: busy till five. So about three o'clock, an older couple
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  Speaker 3: comes in. Now there's nobody in the restaurant except the
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  Speaker 3: help in me and the husband's looking at the menu,
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  Speaker 3: and the wife grabs them by the shoulder and she
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  Speaker 3: said to me, I don't want to eat here. There's
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  Speaker 3: no customers. And they turned around and they walked out.
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  Speaker 3: So I called the manager over and I told them
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  Speaker 3: what happened. I said, I don't like this. I said,
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  Speaker 3: I got to do something.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: A week later, I come up with a happy hour.
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  Speaker 3: I said, from two to four from now on, every
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  Speaker 3: pizza and the joint is going to be half price.
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  Speaker 3: And then I said, noz not only pizza, beer, wine, liquor, everything,
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  Speaker 3: have price two to four every day, every Monday to Friday.
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  Speaker 3: Oh have price and and.
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  Speaker 1: And did port that? Dave Portnoyd came over and gave
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  Speaker 1: you guys a great review.
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  Speaker 3: Right, he gave us the highest score in Vegas. Now
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna that's another story, another story. He gave us
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  Speaker 3: a seven point nine. Wow, it's a big score. He's wait, man,
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  Speaker 3: now listen, it's the highest score you ever gave anybody
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  Speaker 3: in Vegas. However, in Brooklyn he gave us a nine
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  Speaker 3: point four. So when Dave left, I called Dom de Marco.
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  Speaker 3: I said, hey, I said, I don't understand, I said,
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  Speaker 3: he said our pizza was thicker. I said, did you
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  Speaker 3: change anything since I've been there? Because I went there
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  Speaker 3: like two weekends a month for a year, for no
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  Speaker 3: for more than a year, for two or three years,
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  Speaker 3: learning how to do everything. So I called. He says, no,
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  Speaker 3: he said, we didn't change anything. I said, well, you
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  Speaker 3: got to come out here because Pornoy said our pizza
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  Speaker 3: was thicker. The next day he flew out.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: So now I'm in the office. He's there about two hours.
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  Speaker 3: He comes walking in the office. He said, I found
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  Speaker 3: out the difference. I said, what is it? He said,
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  Speaker 3: he said about three years ago. He said, we start
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  Speaker 3: stretching our pizza from an eighteen install in nineteen. He said,
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  Speaker 3: you're still stretching to eighteen. We stretched it tonight. I said,
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  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, I mean Portnoy found out he noticed that much.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's how sharp that guy is.
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  Speaker 1: Means a lot in a lot of different areas of life,
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  Speaker 1: pizza pizza being so, yeah, that's good to know. No,
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  Speaker 1: that's good to know.
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  Speaker 3: So let me tell you about the see uh. I
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  Speaker 3: could tell you so many stories, but I'll tell you
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: two stories. Well, when I was working with the old man,
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: you know, he hardly spoke English. So he said to
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: me one day when we were learning how to make
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: the doll, he said, a blind a man, I could
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: make it the doll. I said, Dominic, what do you
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: mean a blind do man, I could make it the doll.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: He said, it's all into the field. I need a
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: more salt, I need a more yeast. They need the
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: more water. I said, Dominic, how do you teach somebody
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: that that's.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: All in the field?
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: But with the Italians, we all know my mother didn't
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: have recipe cards. They do it by pinch.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: And the thing you need all right, now, you say
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: a pinch. We were there and he said, a pinch
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: of this. I said, Dominic, I can't tell people to
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: pinch your hand for it. I said, go get the scale.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: I said, we got to measure it. He didn't have
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: a scale.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: So I had a guy with us. I sent him
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: and he bought a new scale. He come back so
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: we could measure everything so I could get the right recipe.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable, unbelievable. What's your what is your address?
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: There on ninety seven eighty five West Charleston.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: It's in the Smith shopping Center.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: It's in this bit shopping center on the corner at
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: Charleston A while pie. It's a mile east of Red
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: Rock Station.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: Two to four pm happy hour. And my friends that
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: have Miles to Memory podcast, they read they rated all
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: the pizzas in town, and they put you right there
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: at the top. So those those guys I absolutely love.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: But now when you go in so I like my
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: pie well done, I can't get a well done pie
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: in this town. Do I come in and I ask
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: for well done, you will get a well done pot.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. In fact, we make most of our pies well done,
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: well done. But when we came here and we opened up,
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: the people from Las Vegas and the people from California, they.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: Don't like well done.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: Yes, so we had as a little bit on the
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: time of cooking. But we'll make one of the things
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: that diamonds will make anything any way you want it.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: And I wanted to talk about one more thing. I
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: want to tie up too long. Chicken parm Yeah big,
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: I'm a big chicken parm Gus is phenomenal. I'm a
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: big chicken farm guy. Now I go around all the
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: good restaurants like John and and my friend here Bill does,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: and there's some places have a really good chicken farm,
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: but I think ours is better.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: I was in one place and I'm not mentioning any names.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: And I had a chicken partment.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: It was good fifty two dollars. I got a better
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: chicken farm at Doms for twenty six. Yeah after see
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Doms is only known for pizza because we've been with
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: pizzas you know from Dominic the Fire Pizza from sixty six.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: But we have great pasta, we got great chicken, ourganzanias
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: out of this world.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: You're Penny Alivak, You're Alo Vaka sauces.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: I'm believable, fantastic. And now besides the regular vodka sauce,
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: we're making a hot sauce calibrats, a Calabrian Rigatoni sauce,
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: and people are it's going crazy now talk about pizzas.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: We make all the standard pizzas and we don't change that.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: It's all the Marcos. But you know, we've been there
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: for sixteen years now, so we make new things. Now
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you about some of the new
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: things we're making, which is this tomato pie, which is
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: a thicker pie. I love it and it's out of
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: this world. We make a clam pie now. Frank Peppe
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: in nineteen twenty nine invented the clam pie on Wooster
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Street in New Haven, Connecticut. Now, when I was a
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: kid in the forties and the fifties. We had a
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: friend in New Haven. We used to go for four
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: weeks every summer, and the guy was a barber. We
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: had a barbershop right next right next to Peppees, so
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: we'd hang in the barbershop, then we go over Peppies
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: for pizza. Now I make a clam pizza. I say,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Frank Peppe invented that. I improved that. If you like
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: clam pizza, you got to come to them. The Marcus
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: out of this world.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: That's a great pie. It's a white pie and there's
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: no red sauce.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: That's white right, and clams are in this shep clams.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I love clam pizza. Silk said, I love Wooster Street.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I've been on there many times anytime. My favorite, two,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: of course, are PEPs. I like Peppi's a little more to.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Sally's Sally if there's something you know.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I love Sally's.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Though Sally is Peppy's brother in law. He worked at
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Peppies for years. They had a little argument the open
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: up down the street.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I have had a great, great pizza Sally's to go,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: but Peppi's I like a little bit better. There's a
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: little bit better. Location is unbelievable that that famous streets
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: park there. And it's more than that, there's like five
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: pizza places on that block and a real old school section. Well, great, Albert,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I'm glad, glad you came on. And two minutes wound
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: up being twenty minutes. That's okay, I love it. We
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: could talk about the old days.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: There's a reason why Georgie spends all his days at
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Don DeMarco. Yeah, because he grew up with good Italian food.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: His cousin is Steve Morderano has that famous restaurant, and
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: everybody in Georgie's family there were great cooks. So he
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: hangs out at Doms because he gets the food he likes.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: It's the best.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: And I know you give us, give me and John
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: ten percent off. That's wonderful. Thanks, thanks, thanks Albert. All right,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: my man, George, let's let's say again again. I met
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: George through Albert uh through one of Albert has a
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: hot dog thing twice a year. We has all different
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: kinds of hot dogs, and that's where I met I
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: met George. But we put George on our podcast, and
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: like I said, John and I had tons of views
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: and even some nice shorts. So at the time we
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: were talking about George did how many years thirty years,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: thirty two plus years and five years in the hole
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: solitary confinement, the hole. But anyway, you were talking the
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: other day he said, I said, what are you doing?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: What are you been doing that? I guess, well, I'll
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: like to explain it. So what are you doing now, George?
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: A couple of years later, since we had you on
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: that originally, I've had some shorts with you since then. Now,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: but now what's going on?
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: You still have the grow father? I see is it
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: on there?
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: You grow father father?
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, we surpassed. We're manufacturers. We sell to dispensaries in
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: the state and new We sell basically to every dispensary.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: And we basically took the manufacturing industry by creating a
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: good product.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: We are our main goal is not money.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: We do good product that doesn't go to We won't
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: want to harm anyone. And the Grandfather so is selling
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: so much that we were approached by the government. The government.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Of course we have such a good reputation. I have
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: such a good reputation. They want me to ministry cannabis
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: and gummies to homeless vets and we're doing a pilot
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: program in the state of Delaware. The reason why, about
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: three hundred a day in America vets die from bad drugs,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: and that's not counting the bad drugs that make them
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: more ill long term illness. So a guy like me
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: that did thirty two years in prison, now the government
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: wants me to help them to solve a problem. We're
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: doing a public program. If it does well, they want
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: me to assist the whole United States. Imagine that.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. And so you, Albert and I
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: with he went to a see you at the Mob Museum.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: You had a nice turnout for Are you still going
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: around giving seminars or speeches or shows? Are you still
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: doing that? You've done a couple of them.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Well, I got out of prison in twenty and fifteen,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: and I was booked all over the country. Matter of fact,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Seattle was my biggest booking. It was called the Seattle
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Hemfest Festival the third week of August, a quarter million people,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: nine stages. I used to come out on stage and
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: be twenty thirty thousand. They had nine stages. So I
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: got off to a good start. COVID really hurt that organization. Organization.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: So what what we do is, basically we do the
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: reason we're the biggest in Jersey.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: I do an awful lot of podcasts. I do an
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: awful lot of shows. I do it all for grant me.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: It's just pretty good product. And I don't I don't
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: tell a lie that does. That'll backfire. I do not
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: tell a lie. And now we're going into Massachusetts. We're
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: going into New York.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: Uh, it's just going and on.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: We're going into Nevada with one of my other brands.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Speak of other brands. So John has a studio in
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Vocal right, Yeah, Gone Sick Post, Sticky Post, same thing.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: No, it's a podcast Vocally.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Tones, Sorry, podcast podcast junk Bocal.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: We're telling, we're telling.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Joey films right the Skinny with Joey Malino. He films
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: in Johnson the studio there. And you told me h,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: because you're very close to Joey. So are you getting
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: into a skinny Joey's sport?
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we already, we already made the moves with the
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: attorneys and everybody to right we were we got he.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: Joey's so popular.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: That they're actually fighting for him in different townships and jerseys.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: They're off, they're giving us some great offers.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: We don't know what to do, and we're probably gonna
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: We've got it on the fast track. Twelve to eighteen months,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: we'll be opening in South Jersey Skinny Joey sports Bar,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: but the state of the art, very classy, very great food.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have snuff. It's gonna have his own little snuff,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: a sportsbook, and uh, we're gonna have a stage and
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: this and that. And uh, incidentally, me and Al been
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: trying to bring Skinny joe situation here in Vegas.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: So that's that's still going on, right.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, uh, I think in calculations and in the
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: social media.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: He's hitting worldwide millions a day.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that millions a day.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: That's special on Netflix. I thought was great. I can't
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: think the actual name. But John, you said Philadelphia versus
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Philadelphia vers of my I thought it was. I learned.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I learned things on there. I didn't know I learned.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: But by the way, Joey had nothing to do with that.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: He even said it. I had nothing to do with that.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: But oh, you were on it. Wait a minute, you
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: were on it.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I was in I had a cameo. It was a
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: three hours. A couple of times we had a cameo.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: I was a cameo in the first hour, bigger cameo
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: in a third hour.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I told him I was in prison when
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: that all went back, right right right, So you know,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: you never want to be just repeated myself, you never
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: want to.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Be caught in the falls sure to the sure public.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: So right now I'm shooting another doc. I might bring
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Joey in on it.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, cool, Oh yeah, he's just so big. He is
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: he is he is. Now. Uh, let you know there's
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: a cheese steak place in town, because we'll talk about
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: anyone good in bed, and there's a chief steak place
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: in town that came here. I thought it was very good.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: The guys from South Philly. I think I told you
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: he's supposedly when I went that day he was in
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: South Philly. I thought it was very good. The meat
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: was great, the cheese was great. They brought Cooper Sharp
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: to Vegas. It's called Chaise, but I thought the location
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: was rough and there's no signage. But yet he's he's
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: pretty packed. He's getting the word of mouth. But it's
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: in town that called town Centers. It's on the Strip
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Square town Square and you have to park and walk
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: by the movie did Or. It's kind of a pain
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: to get to. But he's getting his rolls from back home.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: Well, if we do something here and Vega's going to
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: have to have the rules flout. Matter of fact, we
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: have a meeting right after the show with Mob Museum
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: at a very year Now. I'm trying to convince them
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: and listen to his skinny Joey cheesesteak or their property.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: So we have a meeting right it right after this.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: So they have one in Wildwood, right New Jersey. Oh
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: my god, is that on the board book? Yeah, but
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: that means it's only gonna be seasonal.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: No, yeah, and the boardwalking wild with season Oh my,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: guess what.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, they're gonna close the second day October or something.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but the second day it was a line around
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: the blouse.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: They're packed.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I've seen the videos and the money they invested, which
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: is Sarah's money, they already got it back. That's how hot.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's how hot skinny to go.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: You know, I love him. I was with his dad
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: for many many years, and how I was now goes
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: back with me and my family, man and man, so well,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: we took all that negative stuff and we do nothing
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: but positive.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Probably the greatest thing you said. You took all that
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: negative stuff and and and got away from that genre.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: And and you're and you're doing the Uh you know,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: you took me to the saloon there, which I've never
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: been to. You and I I walked in you and
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: one of your friends, and uh, I thought that that
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: restaurants shocked me. Now, Albert, you you've probably been there
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: a million times a year. Oh, I've never been there.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe how good it was. It's right in
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, and and it was and have
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: they been there for fifty years or something? Sixteen years
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: November unbelieved. So you've been going as as your kid
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: and you yeah, you're right across.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: My father owned it when.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I was a little boy.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Right, and then during a saloon with the owner is
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: a dear dead friend of mine, like how he used
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: to babysit me.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Wowfar we go there?
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Is it Italian?
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Does Richie? Haven't? Is that considered an Italian restaurant? I
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: can't believe the name.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Of the saloon.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I would pass it right by on the street. I
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: would say, that's a saloon, that's a bar place you
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: know someone to get drink.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: That places years ago before I went to prison. He
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: used to have a pony and a couple of hours
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: a day. He used to tie the pony up in
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: front of the stone.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: You're kidding me. In South Philly, they got a wow.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: One thing is one thing we talked about the other day.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: One thing we talked about the other day was, Uh,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: these tomato pies in Trenton, and it's a it's a
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: so it's what Albert has is different. It's a thick one.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: The tomato pie was a thin tomato pie. I think
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: it was pretty thin. And in Trenton there was a
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: couple of De Lorenzo's. I don't know if they're still
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: even there. You have to tell me. Anzels moved out
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: of Fenton.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: They got through places.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: They moved that Robinsville, New Jersey and the r E
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: p A.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, so they moved out in there. Uh do you
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: have you guys had have you had the Toreada pie?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: On tomato pie? I grew up very ethnic neighborhood. We
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: had three Italian bakers, very prominent, prominent in the old way,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: not not you know, like delivering in other parts of
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: the suggestion. In our neighborhood, so it was always mom
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: and pop operations. So the father would get up at
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: two in the morning and make the dough, and he
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: always had leftover dough. That's when your town he worked
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: up two in the morning. You make his dough to
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: go out to the customers. The mother, the mother the
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: leftover dough. She used to come and roll it out
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: to be big at his table, roll it out, and
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: then she would go which she had in a refrigerator,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: some kind of sew me some kind of tomato sauce,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: whether it's just plain with meat or fish inever. And
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: then us little kids, me especially me and my guy,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: we used to hooky school. If you had a nickel,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: dime or a quarter, and she would you give her
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: a nickel and she cut a piece. You give her
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: a dime a bigger quarter, and that's how it's called
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: tomato pie. We never heard pizza the word pizza pie.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Two years later. We never seen cheese on it. That's
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: we every day. If you hooky school like me.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Wow, I was trying to find this baker. I was
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: trying to a search on it.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I put, I know the baker, your token, it's on
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: twelfth Street.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I put bakery in South Philadelphia. Eight hundred of them
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: came up, everyone's I put the search into her. There
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: was a bakery there.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: On twelfth Street tomato specialized in tomato.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: So friendly to me. He gave me a tour to
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: building a tour in the place. It's been there for years.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: It's right a crush from I think it's a primo
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Hoge's or about the Hogy sub right there, right next
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: to it. But yeah, twelve Street and that bakery there.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Could be caustious is that he's specialized in tomato pie.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: But he only makes so many, especially on Sunday morning.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: He only makes so many, and you have to be
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: a steady customer. Now, my mother got rest her soul,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: and my good buddy Stevie every Sunday he did a
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: tomato pie and bring it to my My mother didn't
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: eat pizza pie. She made tomato pie because that's what
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: she was raised on.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I found that it is Castias. That's the street right
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: therecause I've seen that.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Bakery, you know what, that right right on the corner
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: little street right.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Next to right next to Primos. So I was told
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: about this place. It's a bakery, but yet they make
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: all these little thin pizzas, these pizza that's it. And
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: basically you go in and as Italian read this, pastry, this, that,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: and then they have of course they have these pizzas.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: But I thought it was great. And I was like
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: the guys like, please please try a cheese steak on
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: a pizza. I was like, I don't know about it.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: It was great steak on a pizza. You could see
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: that one in the middle of the she steak and
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: it was just just a great play. But I'd never
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: seen that before in my life. Only in philadelf only
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: in South Philly at bakeries are making these tomato pies.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: So I thought that was really interesting.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Even in all those years in prison, we had pizza
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: once a week.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: How'd you get that?
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: What the kitchen made the pizza? And I said, of course.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I used to have a lot of respect as the
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: years went by. I used to go into the kitchen
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: and tell them, tell listen, you make the pizza, but oh,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: pitt a side, make me and they're big pants, you know,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: make me a tomato pi. What do you mean don't
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: put no cheese not on, just just a tomato?
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Wow?
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Wow, wow, even in prison.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you told a story about prison, and you told
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the story about Tony Cilano, Fat Tony, fat Tony.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I never knew you do them. I was, you know,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I forgot. My father was my driver from my godfather,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Andelo Bruno was the boss for twenty two years, right,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: and I had just sixteen. I just got my and
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I finagled with h for Tompkins Chevrolet. They were friends
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: of my godfather and my father. I finagled the brand
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: new Camaro, brand new Camaro, and my father at that
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: time went away for contempt. He had to do a year.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: I'm sixteen years old.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I used to work at the vending company. I got
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: a brand new Camaro. My godfather calls, would come and
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: see me, and I switch up. I said, you gotta
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: drive me? Like, what do you mean you have to
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: drive me? He was very whiz wise, a lot of wisdom.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: He said, if I get another guy to drive me
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: around one of our friends and your father comes home,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I got to tell that gentleman Raymond's back.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: Of course, it seems like it cours it's dead blood.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: So I gotta drive it.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: So he at that time, he went to New York
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: every two weeks and he always went to a hunting
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I think Fat Tony was one hundred and twenty fifth Street,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: and I used to go there, and you know, they
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: would sit there, and I said, I knew I knew
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: fat Tony from a little boy. So so he pad
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: and then I was with him in prison with the
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: commission case. And but I used to disappear. Yeah, they
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: were over there talking to this whole court.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: I used to disappear. And that time Harlem was all black.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: But for some reason, call my boy. Nobody bothered me
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: and a funny story. They wanted the message delivered. Tony
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: was the boss, but Chin was the underbosses. They wanted
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: a message delivered to him. And he's on the west
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: west side and uh and uh, I said, what the
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: hell his area?
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: What was his area?
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Chin Granted's village. Yeah, so I go to west side
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: of Grantis village, right, and I'm sixteen years old. Should
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I go in one building? And he go down to
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: the basement and there was a tunnel elaborate. He went
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: through five six buildings. I finally found him. He's in
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: a basement of one of these buildings. I'll never forget.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: He's got his a robe on, he's got his foot
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: up on the desk with to put your knife, and
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: he's carving his toes. So I give the message. I
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: don't know what the message ran. I give the message,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: and I said, right, I'm going to go, and you
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: cannot go. I said, what do you mean. He had
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: a rope top desk where his foot was. He was carving,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: and he had the Blessing Mother Saint on top of
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: the desks. He said, you had to say prayer for me.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: She'll listen to you.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: You're innocent. These other guys that come down here, she
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: ain't listen. So I said to him, Mary said to him,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Mary got up kiss me.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: So that you know how a point.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: So I'm saying to myself, let me.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Get out of here.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Let me get out of here.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: And I go through the laborate tunnel way.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: And that was the That was the life.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: So I never knew this. Now, I love those old
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: movies and stories and documentaries. So fat Tony Solano was
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: the boss and Vincent the chin gigante was underneath him.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did not know that.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, then when Tony died one away. He died, then
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Chin became the boss.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Well, now Tony uh hey knew when he got three
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: indictments back to back indictments, so he said, well, I
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: gotta I'm fighting for my life. I can't.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: I don't have So he Chin.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Took it all.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: And you know a movie that has grown on me
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: that at first I was expecting more, but now it's
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: grown on me. I love watching the old school scenes
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: of The Irishman. I know a lot of it's fictional.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe the results, maybe it wasn't that guy that killed
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: I understand that that, maybe he didn't kill Hafa, but
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I love I think Joe Peshi, Russell Buffalo did an
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: unbelievable Russell Buffalino. I love that. But Tony was in
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: jail at the in fat Tony. At the end, they
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: were playing out paying.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: At that.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: Sharing Frank sharing the OK to write the book.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: We were all in Al knows this story. We were
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: rolling Springfield, Illinois. I've been in Springfield twice. The first
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: time was brutal. They had me in a criminal insane unit,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: try to kill me, brutal. Second time, I wind up.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Sometimes when you go from point A to point B.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: In prisons, you get pulled aside. I'm doing life, no paroles.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: So that stopped me off at someplace and keep me
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: six months was no big deal. So I was there
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: and Springfield was a big facility, twenty twenty something hundred,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: and they had a gym, and they had a four
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: going into the gym, and that's where all the mob
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: guys hung out after lunch. They would hang out from
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: about one to three. It's his talk. And I would
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: go check on them, see what they needed. The Frank
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: share to be there in a wheelchair. In fact, Tony
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: being a wheelchair, Tony Duck's being a wheelchair, Tom Mixed
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: being a wheelchair, Jerry and Julis Butter, Frank Jesus hold wheelchair.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: I got so prior to that. Frank.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: I knew Frank years on the street. He hung in
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: my neighborhood. Case says, I got an offer to write
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: a book.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: I need money.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: I have a daughter that I want to take care of.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: They're gonna give give me X amount of dollars if
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I write three chapters.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: Get me the okay.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I said, all right, I'm gonna go ask, but you're
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: gonna get shot down.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: I knew that, so I go ask them the crew
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: all mob voices.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I said no, no, no, no. I said, okay, okay,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: I said Frank. Because I knew Frank, I said, well, sway.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: A couple of weeks go by. A couple of weeks
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: going by, I said, listen, this guy, he's hurting from money.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: He's just nieces through, he's his daughter. But then I
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: got a little voice because I could raise my voice
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: because I knew that I had a lot of history.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: I said, wait a minute.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: You you got a room full of money. You you
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: got a basement full of money. You you got a
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: house full of money. If you don't want the guy
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: to get break them off, that's how you get these guys.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Because now they ain't going in their pocket, they ain't
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: going to part. They said, oh well, okay, as long
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: as he don't hurt nobody. So I got him to
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: be okay. But I tell the truth, bully, I never
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: thought that his hands, his hand, his hands, we're big
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: as this really sharing, I don't think.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: And he's got this little typewriter. I never thought his
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: finger I never thought he did.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Anyway, banged it out and that's how he got to
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: make the book. Uh, we paying Houses. I did that
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: for him.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't even know that I was live on itre.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know, didn't know about that.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: I just know that the movie grew on me, though
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: the book sat for years.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: No, when the book came out, Robert de Niro optioned
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: it right away, and it took.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: Years before they made it into the movie.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: But Robert Denaro did option the book. I don't know.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I heard your paint houses at the end of the book.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: I believe we out we pay Now. Now you've seen
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: the movie obviously a couple of times. I've seen the
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: movie so many times I'll watch it in the background.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I watched the same twenty five to fifty movies over
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: and over again. I don't why kids hard for me
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: to watch something new. I always tell John, like, well,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: have rounders on or something in the background, because we
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: know all the scenes to the movies. We can multitask,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: go on our phone, do other things. We know what's
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: going on. But that's one of those movies that is
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: at first it was just okay. It grew on me.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: The movie grew on me. I love the old scenes.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I think the scenes when they had when when Frank
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Sheeron was was at this big thing for him. They
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: gave him, you know, they put him in the and
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: they gave him a nice ring, and they give this
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: big ceremony for him. In the movie, those scenes when
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: the Joe Pesci character Russell Buffaloo talking to Frank Sharon
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: talking to Oppacno who played Jimmy Hoffa. I love those scenes.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: You know, some people, not me, some people not me,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: think that you're not a showing appreciation. I love those scenes,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: those words. He did a great job. But how fictional
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: was it compared to the truth? All the old school
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: guys says he didn't he didn't.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Know the truth? Who knows the truth? You know? I
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: know Russell very well. I was an eleven words with him.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: He lived right next door with my Cody Fennett. I
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: know him for years now. But who who really knows
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: your truth?
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: Who knows?
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Because back then weren't may now I'm paying attention to
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: that life anymore. But even if you know the truth,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: if it it evaporates, right and evaporates, as simple as that,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: I don't now.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: If you had to name a favorite movie, what would
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: it be?
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Though?
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: And mob tender of anything? Your favorite movie. Mine's like
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Casablanca and of course The Godfather, which we like comedies
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: like comedy.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: We like comedy. Yeah, we love comedies. Okay, you gotta
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: watch the movie The Cobbler with Adam Sandler.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Good, Oh my god, Adam Sandler friends with John Orlando
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: and Tony Orlando.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: You gotta watch the Tony was in one of us movies.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my boy, that's my boy. Yeah, and Weser
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: and then so.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Is that a new one?
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Is that a new movie or why it was a
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: few years. I can't watch comedy now, I can't, like
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I can watch Caddy Shack maybe or so it's harp
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: me to watch comedy though.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: It's really one of the doc guys we speak right now,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: my new documentary I don't have a title for. We'd
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: shooting in n Philly with NPR NPR Studios, which is natural.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: We're shooting with that.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Anything else to promote anything you want to promote anything
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: going on? If you check away, send my song. Yes
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: he did, he did well.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: I saved my voice for my latter years in life.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Right because I'm giving you a message.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Weren't you want to?
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: You had this?
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: This was on a couple of radio stations.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Al Right, Yeah, you're signing a messages that your life's
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: never over. There's always something new around the corner. So
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I'm singing now. I'm working on my second song, Nice.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: The first song is Freedom and it's it feels like
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: I'm singing to a woman, but I'm singing to emotion.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, and I'm trying to I'm trying to get
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: a copy by by people like Jelly Row, John Legs
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: and something like that. What are you doing?
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: I hear it.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: But by the way, what are you doing in Vegas?
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Just stop by?
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: No, no, we we we may now do awful lot
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: of legitimate things. Meetings every we come out. We have
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: meetings all day long.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: No I did no, no, no, no, no. I don't
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: mean hear to circle with me. I mean you flew
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: out to Vegas for any specific reason? Are you looking
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: to get into maybe a Joey's Cheese Steaks here?
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I know you. Yeah, we're working on that.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: I have.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fortunate enough to develop friendships. Uh, and I
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: have when I'm in town. I've been town to the
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: twentieth I have people coming in from La I have
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: people coming from Scottsdale, the et cetera, et cetera. I
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: got people coming in actually from the East coast, you know,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: just they like to hang out and I always bring
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: them to domes.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: You know. We went to dinner the other night, and
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: I'm going to drive him back. He says, no, I
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: don't want to get rid. It's one hundred and fourteen
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: degrees or six thirty, he says, I'm He gets out
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: of the restaurant and he said, I'm walking. So wait
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: a minute, hold on, what do you mean you're walking?
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: One hundred There was a literally I took a video
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: of it. One hundred thirteen hundred and thirteen degrees. Dropped
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: me off, Yeah, dropped you off.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I have a night spot there where we live.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but but no, we went we went to a
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: different restaurant, you and I the other day, Remember we went,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we walked down to the restaurant. I said,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: come on, get in the car. I goes, no, I'm walking.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Wait what do you mean you're walking?
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: That's about a mile from where I live.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Two hundred and thirteen He wants to walk at one
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: hundred and thirteen degree And what did I say? I'm
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: responsible for you, I can't. I walk.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: I like walking a night.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I like walking, and I just amazing. And then you
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: still do ice the ice pool or no, you do
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: that when you're back home like cold cold.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: I'm in the pool with Alice, right, which I love.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I'm in the cool every day seven o'clock. No, three
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: times a day, three times a day. Three What are
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: you doing there? Full work full workout? Wow, every two
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: hours a day every day. Now. I remember during the
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: winter you were getting in cold the cold pool was freezing.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: You got a pool.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: You got a pool. Usually weather it's cold or hot cold.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: He's in there the coldest days he's in there. Wow. Wow,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Well you two guys. Was great to have you one.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: I've never had Albert on a full show like this
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: and check out. Of course. Tom DeMarco's over there, and
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: George will be checking in. We'll do some shorts with
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: him down the line here, and it was just great
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: to get him back on and see what's going on
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: in this world. I love some of the stories. Last story,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: everyone asked me people are in fatuated with John Gotty.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: They aren'tfatuated. It is unbelievable that everyone around the world,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: on every continent, I read knows who John Gotty is
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: as big as any of the biggest movie star in
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: the world. John Gotty is is just just an amazing
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: uh subject matter. George was in with him for how
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: long in the same cell over two years? Two years,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: same cell. And you said that you guys had a
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: little special treatment in there.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Did you guys get some special food or special days? Yeah?
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: I got locked up for a sandwich. Made the papers,
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: that's right.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: And then the papers he said, I was the connection
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: for the Commission trial, which is the biggest mile trial ever.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: I was a connection for food, booze and hookers. Wow,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: that's what they In fact, Tony read the paper. He came,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: he says, came in the room with the cane and
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: said what I thought we were, right, Georgie, I said,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: what do you meant?
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Where's the hookers?
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Oh? But let me ask you this though, how it's
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: amazing that John Gotti would allow someone in his cell.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. How did you get in with
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: John Gotty in a cell?
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Well? I was over there, okay, and he got indicted
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: on his first rico and nine South was all the
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: mob we were on.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: You had you had you had sixteen cells on a tier. Okay,
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: so that's thirty two guys per tier.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: And just so happens, I was in the cell with
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Joe Joe Dockert, the famous IRA. He's a legend. Matter
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: of fact, I have a street name then for New York. Well,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: John he got an argument with a guard about something,
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: so they throw him in the hole. My cell. I
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: don't have a celly.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: So John gets locked.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Up that day. We know he's coming to that floor, right,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: He's going to hit that floor about eight thirty quarter nine.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: We know that. We know the proceedings.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: Now this guy, his crew was.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: On the They come and myself and never forget I
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: was reading. They says, John's going to hit the floor.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: You got to take them.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: I says, I don't know the guy. I said, why.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Don't you give me? I knew Ernie Boy, I know Bruno,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Double Kada, you know Mickey Boy, which I just passed away.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: I love Mickey. They're all my friends. So I said, well,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: you'se No, you was right, use take them. I'll take
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: one of you.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: That's what they say.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, we don't want to live with him. You just
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: don't want to live with him.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: Wow, Because he at the time we call it is
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: a word. You call it got some God.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: In other words, you can be this way one one minute,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: then you'll be violent the next minute.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: So like Jack and Hyde, right.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: John had that anywhay I side. I had a whole
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: crew on myself.
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: They said you gotta take them, you gotta take them.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: So I said, all right, So that's I don't know
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: what to do, you know. So I had some fruit.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I ate a fresh fruit salad, and I had a stinger.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: You know, a stinger make you can make boiling water.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: I figure making them a cup of coffee, right, you know,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: I know his head's pounding. I even had a couple
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: of you're in a commonsary, we could order aspirins. I
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: had something because sure enough he walked in the cell
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: by eight thirty quarter nine. I stood up and I says,
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: you got the bottom bunk. No, no, no, he said,
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: I'm exact words. I'm a convict. I don't take guys bunks.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: I said, don every simple. You're older than me. I'm younger.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: I'll take the town. And we had his uh frood
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: and coffee and then we shook hands. Whatever said and
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: the sow stays in the cell and we had it great.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Great two years. Wow, great two years.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: That was the number one question I asked a question.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: They asked some questions that everyone wants.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: On a Sunday football season, he bet ten.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Thousand the game that was from the cell.
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I used to take the bets down to
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: the jorney room.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Wow, ten thousand. How many games? Sixteen?
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: You used to bet one hundred and sixty thousand every Sunday, any.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Better, every game?
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Every game ten thousand?
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: How do you win?
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: He used to win sometime sometime.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Then I used to go tell what guy he got
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: to click from the guy he used to pay. He
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: was something else. He was something else.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. Yeah, that was the number one thing
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: that people have asked. But great, Okay, guys, hey, special
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: edition here Georgian. Now appreciate it. John, thank you too
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: for having them on, and we'll see you next time
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: in Watch Cracks.