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EDP45: The Season Finale, Easy Double Listeners Honours 2025 · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast episode 45.
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  We're in the post Christmas lull between Christmas and New Year,
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  but we are here as we are every week to bring you some form of
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  running content. So welcome to the show, fresh
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  off the back of a 5K race on the 27th of December.
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  Owen Smith, how are you doing? I'm really good.
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  Ryan just finished my long run there today, so it's feed up and
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  chill. But no, it's good.
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  It's it's very cold. It's gone cold here again.
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  So yeah, I'm just trying to stay warm.
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  No, no white Christmas over there.
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  No, it was meant to be. It was meant to be really,
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  really cold this week, like freezing, but it actually, it
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  never came. So yeah, look, to be honest,
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  it's probably better for running when it's not quite.
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  So yeah, it's good. Hey, good.
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  Well, I'm glad you're keeping safe and we'll we'll get to your
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  race later on. Welcome also to Dean.
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  Quite the contrast for us over here in Perth with a 40°
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  Christmas Day, was it? Geez, how you doing?
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  Good, mate. Yeah, I was going to say I was
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  feeling cool today by our standards, but it's probably a
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  different feeling of cool. Yes, explain to me how without
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  just stating the obvious, Christmas Day can go from 40° to
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  Boxing Day like 25. Well, it's a bit unusual for
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  Perth. Like I know in Melbourne they
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  talk about Four Seasons in one day, but Perth's a bit more
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  consistent, so normally we have a more consistent weather.
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  So yeah, I don't know what brought about the real spike in
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  temperature. Is it something to do with high
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  and low pressure systems, which I'm unfamiliar with?
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  All I know is I think sometimes when there's like, is it high
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  pressure system, low pressure systems, one might follow the
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  other and that's what creates some of the wind and weather
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  that comes with it. But yeah, it's very hot.
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  Yeah, well I want to ask you both about your actual Christmas
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  days and I guess this could be fun and a good insight for
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  listeners because the UK and Irish listeners can get an
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  insight into an Aussie Christmas and the vice versa.
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  So Dean, what, what were you up to on Christmas Day?
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  How's your day look? It's more just like a lunch with
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  with family or extended extended family Christmas lunch.
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  Ours was a little bit delayed. We had gastro in the house.
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  So the this made a little bit more challenging than normal.
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  But I think I was chatting with Josh on the long run today and
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  he mentioned I think the herdsmen might have had like 4
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  tons of prawns per like ordered to go through them.
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  So I think a lot of very popular to have like Christmas Turkey or
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  ham, but as well as like seafood shrimp on the Barbie is quite a,
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  you know, popular option around a BBQ summer Christmas.
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  Yeah. So when you.
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  When you have the prawns would just, would you just eat them as
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  they are? Because I think that you still
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  eat them in the UK but it'd be served as like a prawn salad
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  with a shit loads of Mayo on them, but not here maybe.
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  No, yeah, you would normally just put them on the on the BBQ,
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  grill them and then eat them. But I mean, people have them all
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  different ways, but. Fresh from Exmouth.
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  Yeah, that's right. But like I think knowing the
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  weather was going to be 40 odd degrees, we ended up getting a
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  very large inflatable pool and slide and those sorts of things
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  for at my parents house so that the kids would survive not
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  tearing my parents house down and enjoy the the hot weather or
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  periods of it. Yeah, nice.
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  It's no no beach trip in the morning, though.
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  You were too stuck looking after the kids, making sure there's no
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  emergencies. Yeah, that's right.
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  But but I I know, I know. It's quite popular.
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  Did you get down to the beach? Yeah, we went for the first time
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  down to Coogee or Coogee Beach, you know, S South of the river
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  that they've got that shipwreck there, haven't they?
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  I don't know if you visited it Owen, whilst you were here.
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  It's a bit of a like tourist attraction.
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  First time I've been. No, I never was.
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  Is it? Is that like before Fremantle or
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  where? A little below I think.
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  Yeah. I wouldn't went down that far
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  enough. It's it's cool, though it's only
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  about maybe 20 meters offshore and you can walk out to chest
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  tight almost to it. You only have to swim 5 or 10
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  meters. The the perilous thing is it's
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  located just next to a shark net.
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  So you've got you've got the, the safety prospect of a nice
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  enclosed place to swim and then it the fact that the shark Nets
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  there or almost reminds you how exposed the shipwreck is if
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  there is any sharks out there. So the quicker nose.
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  Did I see? Was it, is it the thing that
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  killed Steve Irwin? Did that thing get into the
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  square? Caught a slow, you know that
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  square Stingray or was it a state?
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  Yeah. Did that get in?
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  Stingriser everywhere. Yeah, but there's a sharknet
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  there, so how the hell did he get in?
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  All right, there's a bloody there's a sea lion chasing it.
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  Or the other way round, one way or the other.
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  But someone had it on video. I seen that.
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  Was that just just a few days ago?
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  Yeah. Guys like that area is meant to
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  be safe and you've got freaking sea lions and Stingrays.
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  No, they had to shut that swimming area at some point in
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  the past six months because the bronze whalers shark got in and
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  they couldn't get out for two days.
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  Are they like, can they kill you?
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  I think so. I think they're they're not.
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  Unlikely. A tiger or a bloody bull, But
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  the Aussies would have been out there getting selfies with it
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  and also it's off their heads, aren't they?
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  I think it's more dangerous being next to you on a bike to
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  be fair. So cheap.
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  I've made quick progress in the past few months.
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  Change my it's to any of the cyclists listening.
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  Please don't go back and listen to prior episodes.
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  I'm sorry and I don't know, how did the Irish Christmas Day look
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  like? It was good.
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  So had a nice little lion. Then I went down to my family
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  actually doing presents here at my girlfriend first, then went
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  down to my family, opened presents down there with them.
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  Then I went for a little jog. I had like 30 minute jog.
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  Had some dinner lads. When I tell you it was the best
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  dinner I've had in two years. Oh my God, you just can't beat
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  your mother's Coke. And it was so good.
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  And traditional Christmas dinner.
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  Yeah. It was like, well, you just have
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  your Turkey, your honey glazed ham, You've got your Brussels
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  sprouts, you've got your carrots, your roast potato,
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  Mashed potato, croquettes. Yeah.
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  It's just it's it's unreal. So.
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  Blankets. No, that's a real English thing.
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  We don't really do that over there.
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  Yeah, and we leave that for you guys.
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  I only learned what that was there a couple of weeks a couple
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  of years ago. Isn't it like a sausage?
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  Is it a sausage wrapped in bacon?
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  Is it or something wrapped in bacon?
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  Just for all those fat bastards, yeah.
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  And then, yeah, that went down to football pitch, kicked ball
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  with my kicked football with my brother and sister.
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  And yeah, played some board games and yeah, it was very
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  chill, very nice. No no, I have a gym session.
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  Just sounds a bit disappointed. Now you'll hear when I get to my
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  week that it was sort of like I was just sort of damaging
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  limitations, like trying to not cook myself this week.
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  So it could have went bad, but I think I've saved myself.
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  So yeah, we'll get to that later.
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  One thing I had after my dinner for dessert was I don't know if
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  you've seen it in in Woolworths. They've got this like Biscoff
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  trifle almost. It's like crack cocaine.
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  Oh my God, they couldn't get me spoon out of it.
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  Yeah, that stuff's so good. And it comes in like such a
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  book, it's like a family size bowl.
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  So if you're buying it between just like a couple of you, it's
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  absolutely dangerous because it'll just sit there in the
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  fridge until it's gone. Oh yeah, right.
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  Then how the episode looks this week, slightly different.
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  It's a Christmas special and the VR special.
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  Obviously we put the easy double listener honours awards out for
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  vote last week. Thanks to everyone who's voted.
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  There's some very interesting results and lots of variation
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  across the nominations and the the results there.
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  So we're going to go through them.
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  We're then going to do some personal and podcast wins and
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  losses for the year. That's just been and also think
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  about some goals for 2026. So I'm sure you can imagine that
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  might be fun given what's been going on right then.
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  So we'll kick off the awards. The first one was for the Male
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  International of the Year 2025. So for this one I put out, I
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  think there's ten different nominees, including, I'll just
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  whiz through them. We had Simbu, Jimmy Gracia, Cole
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  Hawker, Isaac Nader, 1, Yon Yi, Connor Manse, Sebastian Sawy,
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  Jacob Coplemo and two more which are cut off the page.
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  There's also an option for the listeners to select all that and
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  tell me if I'd missed anyone else.
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  So there was actually 30 in different votes, so a couple of
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  people put their own nominations in.
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  So honourable mentions for Alex Yee and Georgie Beamish there.
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  However, the podium went like this.
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  So tied third with 16.7% was Wang Yong Yi who won the 800
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  meters at World Champs and won about 1,000,000 Diamond Leagues
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  in the lead up to that and Connor Man who took down the
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  North American Marathon record. Then the winner overall was Mr.
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  James or Jimmy Gressier from France with his double podium
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  and the World Champs in the 10,000 the 5000.
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  Would either of you disagree with Jimmy Gressier winning
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  that? No, he's had a, well, actually I
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  was looking at this before we start recording.
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  I was like, how do you give the Jimmy Greasier?
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  But he's actually had a phenomenal year and like he's
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  putting up to the canyons in them long distance events.
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  He came second in your across and arguably on different course
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  he probably would have won it. So yeah, he's had a, he's had a
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  really, really good year. Happy with that, Dean.
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  Yeah, my only the only two that I think may be rival in terms of
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  performance. And so Jimmy Gracie is
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  championship performances I think are the best.
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  But Sebastian so by Jake Lemo's marathon and half marathon
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  performances up there in terms of wasn't, wasn't Jacob Kip
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  Lemo's half marathon in terms of ranking points like something
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  quite exceptional? Is this is true?
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  Is that? Yeah.
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  And he absolutely smashed it, Yeah.
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  But it still hasn't been ratified yet, and it's nearly
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  been a year, so take about what you will.
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  Yeah, so if we so that's it's hard to get behind that.
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  I find it harder to get behind it.
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  Most like Jimmy Gracia's performances I find much easier
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  to get behind. So but if you weren't if you
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  didn't have that asterisks over the performance of performance
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  itself is is remarkable. So I don't know they they are
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  just commenting on them as quite exceptional performances and
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  Sebastian's always run at Berlin when it was quite hot was pretty
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  exceptional as well. That is a good point, to be
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  fair, because you almost look at that run of Kapliemo and go,
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  yeah, but like just almost overlook it as if it's it's not
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  legit. But as it stands right now, it
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  is legit. Yeah, like the other, I thought
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  it was like 5730 that could you help?
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  Sure. And whoever else who, there's a
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  couple of people that ran 57 mid and he's run, you know, 50
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  seconds quicker, like, yeah. I can't remember.
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  I know we started the podcast in February.
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  I can't remember whether we started after or before his run
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  there, but it must have been after because I don't recall
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  speaking about it in dramatic fashion.
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  No. But yeah, I mean, I should
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  emphasize here, no matter what our opinions are, the listener
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  vote wins the award every time. So we're just offering our
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  opinions for a bit of color. So well done, Jimmy Gressier.
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  We will invite you onto the podcast to receive your award if
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  you'd like to do so. I wish you could speak English,
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  it'd be so good. He doesn't have a word.
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  If he was willing to come on, I'll try and speak French soon,
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  that would. Go as well as like you riding a
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  bike. If he can't speak English then
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  he won't actually know that I've ever said that.
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  So the chances of them coming on to challenge me to speak French
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  and minimal so I'm safe. And then the Owen, you're on the
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  second award. So this is female athlete of the
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  year. In the international field.
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  Yeah. So number one, a Beatrice Chabat
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  won this. We'll have to take this out.
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  Things outside I should have. Run.
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  I shouldn't have gave you some forewarner.
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  Lol T2. So in the female, international
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  and women's award we've got Umm Perez Chipchurcher from the
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  marathon, you've got Beatrice Jabba who was the 10,000 and
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  5000 meter winner in the World Championships, Fakey Biegon, UMM
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  Lillian Odeira, UH Tisiga, Asafa, Nadia Badacledi and then
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  Kate O'Connor from Ireland. So the results in tight second
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  was Fate Kipiagon and Nadia Badikladi where 25% of the votes
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  and then number one who is the winner, Let's be real, she
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  should have won the proper world award as well.
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  And Beatrice Chabat with 37% of the votes, like winning the 5010
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  thousand double breaking 14 minutes for the 5K.
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  It's like phenomenal running. So yeah.
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  Have you any, do you guys agree with that?
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  Yeah, I think so. My only challenge would be Faith
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  QPA gone, didn't she? She breaks our records, won the
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  1500 meters and is it finished second to Tibet in the 5000.
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  So I think the fact that the head to head in the 5000 Tibet
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  wins means that she gets the nod.
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  Maybe some world records count or something as well.
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  Yeah, I'm also in agreement. I reckon that 5K, as you say, is
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  the settler there. If Kippie Aegon had to come out
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  on top, then maybe she takes this award.
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  But I think Chibet broke the 5000 metre world record as well.
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  So it's like one world record each and then the the world
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  championship performances go head to head.
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  There were couple of votes. Yeah.
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  The Kate O'Connor submission must have been from an Irish
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  listener. So big fanboy or fangirl of Kate
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  O'Connor there. Yeah, well, what's she done was
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  crazy. Like to come second in our World
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  Championship to get a medal there is, Yeah, in Ireland,
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  like, it's pretty, pretty crazy. And I think we should just leave
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  by the Cloudy Down. Just don't mention her.
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  Well, no, to be fair, she she's double and world Champs
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  medallist as well. You have to take it as what it
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  is for now. Yeah.
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  So I'm sure in the same manner that I invite Jimmy on to come
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  and receive his award, you'll invite Beatrice on to receive
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  her award. Yeah, I'll slide into DM's
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  there. Maybe her agent could come on
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  and represent her, yeah. I'll be good on that.
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  I don't know have that interview.
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  That'll be the end of these little podcast.
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  So I'm up next and this is INT, is it International Breakthrough
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  Athlete of the Year and this was some good nominations.
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  We haven't got all the details in our summary, but I'll have a
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  crack. But guys, please jump in if I've
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  missed details on these. But Cooper is at Lipton House.
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  So the young, the 16 year old American that ran 142 to run his
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  way into the US World Championship team we have, how
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  do we say Mcphillips first name their own and am I going to
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  butcher that? Say that again.
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  Mcphillip Mcphillips first name am I going to get?
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  That wrong? It's just King.
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  Yeah, yeah. So he was, was he?
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  Where did he finish at the world champs?
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  I forget now but I know he ran exceptionally fast. 4th so 4th
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  at the world champs. Niels Laros who other than the
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  World Championships had a pretty remarkable year in the 1500
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  metres, was very dominant in the Diamond League in the lead up to
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  the World Champs and was the the favorite for a medal and was
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  leading part of the final. Seth O'Donnell, who we've
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  covered quite a bit was the this year was the Australian 5010
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  thousand metre champion and represented Australia at the
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  World Champs in the 5K. Kyle Robinson who this year at
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  the start of this year finished second I think in the 3000
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  metres indoors at the World Champs and was fourth outdoors
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  in the 5K. Innes Fitzgerald from Great
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  Britain, I can't R.E.M. Recall the performances.
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  I. Think she she's like she's still
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  in the under 20 category and she ran like 1439 or something at
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  the London Diamond League and then after like under 23
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  Europeans or something she swept like 3 golds or something silly.
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  Oh, wow. OK, Max Bergen, JB.
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  That's it. 100M athlete. Yeah, I think that's a listener
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  submission. And I remember he ran really
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  fast as well. I can't remember his exact time.
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  He was pushing when you're new and some of the like Diamond
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  League races and stuff and maybe it was a shout for a medal going
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  into. And then Jack O'Leary, I'm
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  assuming that I want you have color on his ear.
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  Yeah, so he's run, he's PV over the 10K5K came 15 year old
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  Cross. I think like this year he's
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  kicked on a lot. He's a he's a bit of a crazy
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  story as well where he was in school in America, came home,
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  struggled and then he was like 71 K.
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  He's his metabolism is super, super slow or something like
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  that. She was like 71 KG and he went
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  to his specialist and he basically said you need to lose
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  like paperweight. So I think he lost like 9 KG,
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  but he had like cut back all his training.
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  So he done like super, super safely and yeah, he ran like
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  1325 for the 5K. He ran 28 low, I want to say for
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  the 10K and then he came €50 cross and now he is running
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  Valencia where he hopes to get the European standard of 2750.
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  So 26 could be a massive year for Jack.
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  And so in terms of the podium we had, I'd in third was Kermit
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  Phillips and Ennis Fitzgerald, second was Niels Laros and the
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  winner was Seth O'Donnell. Seth had polled 1/3 of the
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  votes, one in three gave him the nod.
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  Did you guys have any? Oh, I feel like this one's very
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  open and the polling probably reflected that.
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  Did you guys have anyone that you thought was a deserved
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  winner in your eyes? Yeah.
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  The way you've just summarised it makes me think that, yeah,
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  you can literally select any of them.
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  There's a case for them all. Initially, I did also think
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  Seth, but I was conscious that there's perhaps a bit of recency
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  bias with Zata Pack in that and also some bias given that we're
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  exposed to him quite a bit more than some of the others.
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  Yeah, it's so tricky. So like for me, Kyra Robinson,
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  like I know he's like NCAA champion, like a very good
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  runner, but to go from like there's such a gap.
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  I've seen a lot of athletes and, and we heard this on the podcast
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  with. Sorry, who did you interview?
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  Arwen, the Irish, She's forgetting his name.
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  Andrew Cosgret and and he was talking about just trying to
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  make that jump around getting super fit and then trying to
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  make finals. And for him, I think this year
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  was even a breakthrough for him, right, in terms of just making
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  that world championship final. But there's levels to it all.
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  But one thing's qualifying. So like with Seth, he did really
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  well and he qualified and he made the World Championships,
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  which was a big step. But then there's another one to
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  like make a semi final and then there's another one again to
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  make a final and then there's another one to actually be in
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  the mix for medals. And I just felt like I would
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  associate Kai Robinson with someone that was doing well to
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  make a final, but in reality he was in the mix twice for medals
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  And I, I just think that's pretty exceptional.
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  So that's where I was going. But then you realize Seth
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  O'donald, who was playing footy four or five years ago, beat him
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  running around Perth like out kicking him like, so like what
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  an exceptional year has he had? So I don't know.
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  It's I feel like you can make really good cases for a lot of
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  these. I think if if Laros had gone on
• 23:41
  to win that 1500, then it probably would have been his
• 23:44
  wrapped up, wouldn't it? But the season kind of like
• 23:47
  ended on a bit of a down. It was like kind of trending the
• 23:50
  right way all the way through the end.
• 23:52
  And somehow we got to the point where there's so much expectancy
• 23:55
  on him to like, if not metal at like win the gold even, which is
• 24:00
  like quite bizarre with hindsight now.
• 24:04
  But nevertheless, he's still a shout for a breakthrough given
• 24:07
  what he'd done. And he's still he's like 20 or
• 24:10
  21 himself. It just depends which like kind
• 24:13
  of angle of breakthrough you look at, whether it's like the
• 24:16
  the Seth angle, like from the bottom breaking through to just
• 24:19
  being on the scene or like you're saying with Kai existing
• 24:23
  to go into the next level. I feel like from where started
• 24:28
  off the year to where he finished is bigger from where
• 24:32
  Kai started the year to where Kai finished if you get me.
• 24:36
  Like set even running like thinking around 336 with no
• 24:40
  lights on in some in the arsehole of Australia somewhere.
• 24:44
  He ran 730 something in Europe to actually qualify for the
• 24:49
  Europeans. He came second to Amgren.
• 24:51
  Like who the hell would have taught that?
• 24:53
  And last year, that said, O'Donnell would be running all
• 24:56
  these times and fair enough, Kyra, like I feel Kyrobson was,
• 25:00
  he was really, really good last year as well.
• 25:03
  Like, fair enough. He was just off the medals this
• 25:04
  year. But yeah, Seth O'Donnell, like
• 25:07
  he's had such a such a good year and the only way is up for him
• 25:11
  now, hopefully. When we done Seth's YouTube last
• 25:15
  week, just whilst we're on it, I meant to say, did you see?
• 25:18
  I think his coach said something along the lines of like our
• 25:21
  Seth's been taken a lot of inspiration from Almes Almgren's
• 25:24
  training since he like met him and raced him in Europe.
• 25:27
  He's been in conversation with him back and forth.
• 25:29
  So he's kind of like taking his own approach, taking advice from
• 25:34
  Almgren and adopting some sort of hybrid model between the two,
• 25:38
  which like we've posted off Almgren all year as well.
• 25:40
  So that's like so interesting. It's very cool.
• 25:45
  It seems like Morgan McDonald is learning a lot of him as well
• 25:48
  regarding like double threshold and all that sort of stuff, so
• 25:52
  he seems a grown nice guy. Get him on the pod run.
• 25:55
  I'd love to extend the invite to Andres Almgren.
• 25:59
  This this episode is just going to be me inviting like half the
• 26:02
  athletics well down to the pod. But yeah, Seth takes the
• 26:06
  listeners vote for breakthrough of the year, right.
• 26:09
  So the next one was the listeners vote for favorite
• 26:13
  guest of the year. So there's pretty stellar line
• 26:16
  up here. We had ran to Japan.
• 26:18
  Jake Barraclough, Izzy Back, Doyle, Adam Fogg, Kupertier,
• 26:22
  Coach Raff Bar. Is it bar or boar?
• 26:25
  I always butcher it. Bar.
• 26:29
  Boar. So let's just call him RAF.
• 26:31
  Anyway, we know who he is by now.
• 26:33
  He's our coach. Well, mine and Deans.
• 26:36
  Andrew Kosgren, Cam Levens, Joe Wigfield and Evan Jaeger snuck
• 26:40
  in last minute. So there was votes pleasingly
• 26:44
  for all of these interviews and it was pretty well spread out.
• 26:49
  The the winner only took 25% of the votes.
• 26:52
  So in third was Dean's interview with Cam Levens.
• 26:55
  In second was the fan favorite in the rant to Japan specialist
• 27:00
  Jake Barraclough. And in first congratulations.
• 27:04
  Flying the flag for the women on our show was Izzy Beth Doyle.
• 27:09
  So she's done an amazing job. Again, Dean's interview.
• 27:12
  So kudos to Dean too, to outperform Jake in the rankings
• 27:19
  there because we know how loyal his army are.
• 27:22
  So I think it just gives kudos to Izzy and like how well she
• 27:26
  speaks on things as well, the person she is in the athlete
• 27:29
  that she is. Yeah, I'll get, I'll throw in
• 27:35
  comments, not on interviews I conducted, but the Owen's
• 27:41
  interview with Andrew, I felt like I got the most out of in
• 27:44
  the sense of getting a bit of a peek into Irish running in Irish
• 27:48
  culture. I don't know, I don't know about
• 27:50
  you, Ryan, but but I feel like when you're more familiar with
• 27:54
  your own local running scene, you, you know less about some
• 27:58
  other running scenes. And so having the opportunity to
• 28:00
  hear 2 Irish guys, you know, shoot the shit together, I
• 28:04
  really enjoyed that. Yeah, it was almost like Owen
• 28:07
  and Andrew were just like kind of SAT having a coffee post run
• 28:10
  and just having a chat and we could just listen to it all.
• 28:13
  It was, it was good job. I just think, I think, I think
• 28:18
  it's crazy that like if you told me in February and we started
• 28:22
  this podcast that we would have interviewed all of them people,
• 28:26
  I'd say not a chance. It's crazy who we've interviewed
• 28:30
  within the year. And yeah.
• 28:33
  To be fair, we had that way. It would be no chance.
• 28:37
  It's all Ryan. Yeah, you, you are being bullied
• 28:41
  into it at this stage. But now that we've all got a
• 28:45
  couple out of the way, I think we've we've loosened up a bit.
• 28:50
  Yeah. So, yeah, thanks everyone for
• 28:54
  your votes on that one because everyone was in with the shout.
• 28:57
  It was very tightly and closely contended.
• 29:01
  OK. Next up is fun favorite of the
• 29:05
  year. Yeah, so for context, this one
• 29:09
  was I kind of put in brackets. It doesn't necessarily have to
• 29:12
  be like the the best athlete in the world that can literally be
• 29:15
  anyone, but just like someone who is your your favorite
• 29:18
  athlete or like you really love following the journey type
• 29:21
  thing. So some of the people here were
• 29:26
  Alex Yi and Jordy Beamish, Jacobi writs in ran to Japan,
• 29:33
  Jess Danson, Jess Hall, Josh Kerr, K O'Connor set, Dean
• 29:38
  Menzies winning back-to-back, Bunbury Half Marathon and
• 29:43
  Bridges like the fucking legend he is.
• 29:47
  That's very specific, Dean. Do you put that one in yourself?
• 29:52
  I stand by the The truth is, I tried to open Ryan's Google Doc
• 29:59
  age gap here that that's not me. Maybe earlier on when I asked
• 30:06
  asked you both to reflect on your your wins and your losses,
• 30:08
  Dean was like trying to go back to the good times in the.
• 30:12
  Early, early year. And the winner was a four way
• 30:18
  tie between Callum Nelson, Jordy Beamish, Jake Barclough and Seth
• 30:24
  O'Donnell. Which yeah, 4 great
• 30:27
  personalities of the sport. Who share a lot of stuff.
• 30:30
  So yeah, I can see how they would be the fan favorites.
• 30:34
  Jordy Beamish is a rogue when I feel.
• 30:36
  But yeah, the other guys, fair play.
• 30:40
  How do we we can't settle it on a four way tie, but it's also
• 30:43
  like listener awarded. So how do we tear apart from it
• 30:47
  being awarded to four people or does it just stand as four of
• 30:54
  them? My thinking was like with Jake
• 30:58
  and Seth, they've both featured in nominations for awards prior
• 31:03
  to this, so they may have been in the mind of listeners.
• 31:05
  Whereas with Callum Nelson and Geordie Beamish, they haven't
• 31:09
  been listed yet. So people have like properly
• 31:12
  thought about them to submit them.
• 31:14
  But I can't. I don't want to speak on behalf
• 31:16
  of people because they've already spoken.
• 31:18
  I. Think they are good four names
• 31:22
  like Callum Nelson, all four of them give us insight into them
• 31:29
  as people and them as as athletes.
• 31:32
  And they've all had great years themselves or provided great
• 31:37
  content. So I feel like that's probably,
• 31:39
  it's a really good for I feel like if you want to follow any
• 31:41
  of those or or if you do, you probably appreciate it as fans
• 31:46
  of them what they do. So I don't know.
• 31:48
  I think it's good to keep support.
• 31:51
  Yeah, Callum Nelson's recent outspokenness as well as really
• 31:56
  made them more interesting to follow because you love not only
• 32:00
  the athletes results and races and training and stuff, but then
• 32:04
  like when they start being opinionated and giving you like
• 32:07
  a glimpse into the inside of what goes on, that's even more
• 32:10
  cool of a follow. Yeah, and I like Jordy Beamish
• 32:15
  on the Coffee Cup podcast. Like, he's very reserved, and I
• 32:21
  think we spoke about this before, but four or five years
• 32:23
  ago he was sort of at a bit of a crossroads with his running and
• 32:26
  the other guys were having a lot more success.
• 32:29
  And in the last 24 months he's won two world world titles in
• 32:33
  two different events. So, which is pretty cool all.
• 32:38
  Right then, to the four of them, it is fan favorites of the year.
• 32:43
  And I'm up with the easy to all moment of the year.
• 32:47
  So how people are thanks for putting some great suggestions.
• 32:52
  I'll I'll just read them off. So Brian's coffee stain slash
• 32:58
  Pilates attempt Owen hiding on drug cheats.
• 33:05
  All of the honest track about drug cheats that you might pick
• 33:08
  up a thing accidentally mixing mixing up KPI gun and chef and
• 33:14
  get it. I would love to know who that
• 33:17
  who offers that was because I can't remember.
• 33:20
  I remember because it was me again, talk with reference to
• 33:27
  drugs as well, when we all spoke about partners being the voice
• 33:31
  of reason, easing back into training after injury, that was
• 33:35
  great. That was probably just me and
• 33:37
  you, Dean. Yeah, most definitely.
• 33:41
  Can't remember what we said there.
• 33:45
  Owen saw rants and other brands Cam Evans interviewed.
• 33:50
  Thanks for the shout out. And it's I absolutely,
• 33:53
  absolutely bloody love. I was systematically burning
• 33:56
  every potential sponsor bridge by bridge, one-on-one,
• 33:59
  brilliantly productive reviews. And then Ryan's bike crashed
• 34:04
  just at the end. And the winner was was it?
• 34:11
  We did. We have two winners.
• 34:14
  Yeah. So Ryan's coffee stain slash
• 34:16
  Pilates attempt and Alan's rants sabotaging every potential
• 34:21
  sponsor. So what do we think about that?
• 34:25
  I think it's nice that the moment of the year isn't.
• 34:30
  I wouldn't isn't solely, I wouldn't sabotage in every
• 34:33
  sponsor we could have and it's tied with something else.
• 34:35
  But it's unfortunate that that comes at my expense.
• 34:38
  Although that was pretty funny, to be fair.
• 34:42
  I remember it fondly. I can't.
• 34:45
  I'd love to say for any new listeners who've like picked up
• 34:48
  the pod since then what episode it was in, but off the top of my
• 34:51
  head I can't recall it. I'll summarize that.
• 34:54
  I went to a Pilates class and noticed in the mirror that there
• 34:59
  was a brown stain on my shorts. So obviously panic stations sat
• 35:03
  in and I quickly nipped off to the toilet and took off my
• 35:07
  shorts and start smelled the stain.
• 35:12
  Thankfully to realize that I'd just sat in ground coffee beans
• 35:16
  and it wasn't anything else. But I still had to scrub the
• 35:19
  shorts clean using the the sink in the bathroom and then putting
• 35:22
  them under the hand dryer. Given that, I didn't want to be
• 35:24
  walking around with what blatantly looked like a poo
• 35:28
  stain on my shorts. Happens to the best of us,
• 35:31
  right? It's all right.
• 35:33
  Well, I hope it does to certainly happen to me.
• 35:38
  You can be put to use it with that nice that little place at
• 35:40
  the minute, that's for sure. Where are we next?
• 35:44
  We're now on to the So we had the British, Irish and
• 35:48
  Australian categories representing each of the hosts.
• 35:51
  So I'll do the British ones. Oh and I'll do the Irish ones,
• 35:54
  Dean, I'll do the Australian ones.
• 35:56
  So for the British male of the year, there may be some recency
• 35:59
  bias in here, although I am leaning towards the the winner.
• 36:04
  So the winner by a country mile receiving 2/3 of the vote was
• 36:07
  Alex Yee. So Alex recently running the
• 36:11
  second fastest British marathon of all time behind only Mo Farah
• 36:15
  in Valencia and it was only ever his second marathon as well,
• 36:20
  which is quite bizarre. And then The funny thing is when
• 36:23
  you try and like critique or cross check these votes to think
• 36:27
  like was anyone else in with a shout?
• 36:29
  You go on Alex's World Athletics profile to think like how can I
• 36:33
  back it up? What else has he done?
• 36:35
  And the truth is he hasn't actually done much else because
• 36:38
  he's triathletes. He doesn't need to do much else
• 36:41
  either. It's absolutely phenomenal.
• 36:44
  So the other nominations were Max Bergen, George Mills, Josh
• 36:48
  Kerr, Jake Whiteman, Scott BC, Phil Sussman and Emil Caress,
• 36:53
  Josh Kerr and Emil Caress receiving votes as well.
• 36:58
  Any agreements or disagreements with that?
• 37:02
  I feel. No, I think Alex, see, oh,
• 37:06
  because he had like a really good track season.
• 37:08
  Like so we ran London while you're at 2:11, then he actually
• 37:13
  done a few track 5K races, done Valencia half and then just
• 37:18
  smashed the marathon in Valencia.
• 37:20
  Like all around. He's had such a phenomenal a
• 37:22
  year while like being a Charlie at the end of the day.
• 37:25
  So yeah, I think it's sort of a no brainer.
• 37:29
  Like Jake Weikman, like his World Championships, second is
• 37:33
  pretty good as well. But it's just Alex.
• 37:36
  She had a phenomenal year. Yeah, it's hard with.
• 37:42
  Sorry, Dean, you go. Oh no, I was just going to say I
• 37:46
  feel like so few Setsman and Emil Perez and they've dedicated
• 37:52
  their their lives to running fast marathons in the marathon
• 38:00
  and Alex, he's jumped ahead of them on the all time list.
• 38:03
  So I feel like, and he's the triathlete and so he's going to
• 38:08
  have mass associated like physical math that's specific to
• 38:12
  the swim and bike and he's gone past them.
• 38:15
  So I feel like you have to give him the nod over them, right.
• 38:20
  And then for me, it's a question of maybe whether or not George
• 38:23
  Mills, what did George, I'm trying to just find what George
• 38:26
  Mills ran in the because he broke the didn't he break the
• 38:31
  British record? He ran 12:46 this year and so
• 38:37
  that's only is that second to Andreas earns 1244 like he's
• 38:46
  only took it I think. Did he run at the time?
• 38:48
  What was the European record? I'm pretty sure this year.
• 38:53
  In May, well have done. Yeah, I think he done something
• 38:55
  silly in the 3K as well indoors at one point early on in the
• 38:58
  year. So you forget what's happened in
• 39:00
  like the indoors in February and stuff, don't you?
• 39:03
  Yeah, so like, so he's run, so he's ranked.
• 39:07
  He's he's ranked #20 all time in the 5K, which is pretty
• 39:14
  remarkable. So that performance is
• 39:16
  exceptional. And then Wyman to go from
• 39:19
  injured to what was he less than 1/10 away from World
• 39:24
  Championship gold in the 1500. So those two times were pretty
• 39:29
  exceptional. Performances were pretty
• 39:31
  exceptional. But Alex here, given that he
• 39:33
  does two other disciplines to go #2 all time in the marathon, I
• 39:38
  don't know. You could, to be fair, probably
• 39:41
  easily make a case for white men like given where he was maybe at
• 39:44
  the start of the year to what he ended up doing.
• 39:46
  But then you also have to put the lens on that at the end of
• 39:50
  the day, he has actually won gold before.
• 39:53
  So although in the context of this year, it was like an
• 39:56
  amazing turn around, it's not an achievement he hasn't got
• 40:00
  before. Don't know.
• 40:02
  And then Scott BC like kind of ends.
• 40:04
  He done something ridiculous indoors early on in the year and
• 40:07
  then he ends the year on a high as well.
• 40:09
  So it depends. Like, no, it's tough.
• 40:14
  But yeah, I mean, actually he gets all the votes.
• 40:19
  And he's really good YouTube channel which chair on the cake.
• 40:23
  We get the insight which we all love.
• 40:26
  Also for someone like George Mills, the case that you made
• 40:31
  from there, Dean is legit, but then how much weight do you give
• 40:35
  to the fact that the main thing this year was world champs and
• 40:38
  then ultimately he didn't really perform there?
• 40:42
  Yeah, like that's like at the end of day, you want to perform
• 40:46
  a world champs. And George Mills, what did he
• 40:49
  run this year? 1250, Something 46 and 46 and
• 40:54
  then to like literally jog around in, in Japan, like, I
• 41:00
  don't know, like you're meant to peek at them sort of stages.
• 41:03
  So he got it all wrong if you'd like.
• 41:07
  It's all well and good running world record or running really
• 41:10
  fast and freaking January, February, March, but you really
• 41:14
  want to do it when it matters. So yeah, that's my $0.02.
• 41:20
  I'd say if he can stay injury free he'd be hungry as anything
• 41:23
  for 2026 though, so I would not doubt an medal on one or both of
• 41:30
  the Europeans in the Comm Games. Do you know what's wrong with
• 41:33
  George Mills? Because I've seen he's just
• 41:34
  cycling at the moment. Yes, we had that really broken
• 41:38
  arm, didn't he? But that was a it'll be well
• 41:40
  over that he was training even with the cast on.
• 41:42
  And then I'm not sure actually what's been going on, to be
• 41:45
  fair. They say all the greats break
• 41:48
  their arm and then pop on the butt.
• 41:51
  Yeah, it depends. Just depends if you've if you've
• 41:53
  got it in yet to bounce back real quick and real hard.
• 41:55
  Some of us have, some of us haven't.
• 42:02
  OK, so Alex, she won the male category, the female category
• 42:05
  before I hand over to the Irish category was up for
• 42:11
  contestation. Don't know if that's a word, but
• 42:14
  we'll go with it. Between the nominees were Abby
• 42:21
  Donnelly, Natasha Wilson, Jess Warner, Jord Rose, Harvey Irish,
• 42:25
  Mccolgan, Callie Horger, Thackery, Megan, Keith Hannah,
• 42:28
  not all and a couple of others which are cut off the page.
• 42:32
  Now the votes. This was quite closely
• 42:35
  contended. So in 3rd place with 16.1% of
• 42:39
  the votes was Natasha Wilson, who again a bit of recency
• 42:44
  involved here, just ran that 224.
• 42:47
  Was it in Valencia? In 2nd place was Abby Donnelly
• 42:51
  with 25% of the votes and in first place with 33% of the
• 42:56
  votes was Irish Mccolgan. I've done a bit of digging
• 43:00
  around this one, so I do have an opinion, but I will offer you
• 43:05
  both a challenge or an agree in the first instance.
• 43:11
  Like I'd go with Irish Mccolgan as well.
• 43:13
  I'm not really familiar with what the other girls have have
• 43:16
  really done. And I just know as Mccolgan is
• 43:19
  like the record holder for like 5K10K, she's a good runner.
• 43:23
  So yeah, I don't really know on this one.
• 43:28
  This is we've got some news coming through the WhatsApp chat
• 43:31
  there that contestation might be a word, the action or process of
• 43:37
  disputing or arguing. So it is very much up for
• 43:40
  contestation. Do you have an opinion, Dean, on
• 43:45
  these British women? I'm trying to.
• 43:49
  Put all their performances. Alongside their names, I'm
• 43:51
  trying to remember yes, so this. Is kind.
• 43:56
  Of what I was trying to do as you offline before we start
• 43:59
  recording, you guys see my tabs open and it was all of their
• 44:03
  World Athletics profiles. So the comparison I was drawing
• 44:08
  was that Abby Donnelly, Jess Warner, Jord and Ailish Mccolgan
• 44:14
  all ran 224 their thereabouts in a marathon, which is an
• 44:20
  exceptional time. It is where it is.
• 44:23
  They also all ran either 68 or 69 minutes over the half
• 44:27
  marathon. And I don't think any of them, I
• 44:30
  could be wrong, I can't remember exactly, but I don't think any
• 44:34
  of them represented GB as the world champs.
• 44:37
  And now as we spoke about, that may not be because they didn't
• 44:41
  deserve to, it may more so be because British Athletics didn't
• 44:45
  select them for one reason or another.
• 44:47
  But I think that Kali Thackery may be the deserving winner of
• 44:51
  this award given she ran 222 and finished 6th at Boston.
• 44:56
  Like literally the other episode we spoke about Boston and how
• 44:59
  times may or may not be purely fair there.
• 45:04
  But she's did still run two run 222 and she's actually ran
• 45:08
  quicker than that before she ran at Maragami, which we were all
• 45:12
  at, where Izzy broke the Australian marathon half
• 45:14
  marathon record. Cali finished ahead of her and
• 45:17
  she ran 6658, which is quite incomprehensible given how
• 45:23
  ridiculous we know Izzy's run was.
• 45:25
  And how ridiculous of an athlete we know is he is to be beaten by
• 45:30
  Cali. And so yeah, that put a #3 Brit
• 45:36
  on the all time list. And she was also, she ran a
• 45:38
  really fast 10K in 30-50 to go #5 on the all time Brit list.
• 45:41
  So I think just because the way her years shaped out, well
• 45:46
  actually, sorry, she competed at the world champs as well.
• 45:49
  So that was her other win. She finished 11th in the 10K.
• 45:53
  But I think because perhaps post the world champs she's kept
• 45:57
  racing and those performances perhaps haven't been up to par
• 46:02
  or of her usual standard, we think that her year may not have
• 46:06
  been that great, but prior it was.
• 46:09
  Who is ahead of her in the half? Marathon all time?
• 46:13
  Like who's run faster? Yeah, So Eilish, she's the
• 46:17
  record holder. She's run like 65 something I
• 46:20
  think it was. I'll just get it up here because
• 46:22
  I had it up before Paula Radcliffe as well had Eilish.
• 46:28
  Just ran 6543. And Paula Radcliffe, 6647.
• 46:33
  That's the question. Why?
• 46:35
  Why is Georgia Hunter Bell and Kelly Hodgkinson not?
• 46:38
  Why are they excluded? I think they're.
• 46:41
  On the two which we can't. See on the page just to cut off,
• 46:46
  but let me just check because that's a good question.
• 46:52
  We're a British female of the year.
• 46:56
  Yeah, they were included Georgia, I think I've.
• 47:01
  Completely messed this. Up and had a bit of colour
• 47:03
  blindness in the temper in the results.
• 47:08
  Oh no. Keely got 32% of the vote and
• 47:11
  Georgia got 28% of the vote. Well.
• 47:15
  Done, Ryan, you had one job that would make that would make.
• 47:22
  To me because I only spent. A lot of the year injured.
• 47:26
  I think, yeah. What?
• 47:29
  The hell. Because this.
• 47:32
  Because there's so many nominees for this, the colors very
• 47:35
  closely overlap and I've lazily misinterpreted it.
• 47:39
  Oh, and I feel like we're in your pantry right now.
• 47:43
  Sorry. Half the fuel.
• 47:47
  I. Think Keely was a bit.
• 47:48
  Washed this year like Georgia, Hunter Bell deserves a mansion.
• 47:51
  She had such a good year. Yeah, I mean, so for clarity,
• 47:56
  let's. Rewrite those results.
• 47:58
  I've just spent 5 minutes arguing for Kali for no reason
• 48:00
  whatsoever. In 3rd place was in Fitzgerald
• 48:04
  with 16% of the votes. In second place was Georgia
• 48:07
  Hunter Bell with 28% of the vote, and in first place was
• 48:10
  Keely with 32% of the vote. Which makes a lot more sense.
• 48:16
  So based on those results, do we agree or?
• 48:18
  Disagree with Keely winning over Georgia Hunter Bell I'd say.
• 48:24
  No, I think Keely had some better Diamond League
• 48:28
  performances, didn't she? But when it I think to Owen's
• 48:31
  point, when it really matters is the world championship and in
• 48:36
  the head to head Georgia Hunter Bell Beta.
• 48:42
  Yeah, I agree. So she came away with the
• 48:44
  bronze. Keeley came away with the bronze
• 48:46
  to Georgia's silver, and Georgia kind of made that gamble
• 48:51
  decision, didn't she, to go all in on the 800 meters.
• 48:53
  And it's pretty much paid off for us.
• 48:55
  So I think you also have to like kind of give us some credit for
• 48:59
  taking a bit of a risk if you want there given the 1500 was
• 49:03
  more so a traditional event. Yeah, absolutely.
• 49:07
  I agree with that. Keeley getting second in the
• 49:12
  vote. In our votes and no, I mean, she
• 49:16
  did still win a bronze medal. But again, do you compare these
• 49:20
  athletes to their previous standards given that she's won
• 49:23
  gold before and then therefore think that she spent 2/3 of the
• 49:27
  year injured, it wasn't that good of a year?
• 49:30
  Or do you say, well, she spent 2/3 of the year injured and
• 49:33
  still came away with the bronze medal?
• 49:37
  Maybe it's. Fair, because I don't know.
• 49:39
  But Keeley standards like she. Would have wanted to break that
• 49:41
  rec world record. I think like that's 100% much
• 49:44
  going for next year. She just needs a clean bill of
• 49:47
  health. So like I've started year.
• 49:50
  Would would George Bell have like put herself ahead of
• 49:55
  Keeley? Absolutely not.
• 49:56
  So I think Georgia Hunter Bell had like the better year all
• 49:58
  around. Yeah, I think you have to.
• 50:01
  Just take the year as it. Is like, say on the 1st of Jan,
• 50:04
  you don't know who's going to be injured or who's going to have
• 50:06
  all this bad luck, that it just kind of is what it is and you
• 50:09
  judge it based on that. So yeah, that's fair, right?
• 50:14
  Tell us. What the people?
• 50:15
  Spoke about and thought of Ireland so.
• 50:20
  The Irish male out of the athlete.
• 50:22
  Of the year in joint third was Nick Griggs and King.
• 50:28
  Mcphillips. With 16% of the votes or does
• 50:32
  join second. Sorry.
• 50:33
  And first was a fertile curtain who got 20% of the votes.
• 50:37
  So Fergal set their national record over the half marathon.
• 50:41
  He ran 60 low and then he set the new marathon record on a
• 50:47
  hilly course in South Korea. He ran two O 7 and like Kim
• 50:54
  Mcphillips had. Such a good and world.
• 50:56
  Champs coming out of nowhere to get and forth and I'd argue if
• 51:01
  he had a better lane draw. That's another thing that
• 51:04
  actually pisses me off like the chop won his heats, he won his
• 51:08
  semi final and then he gets shafted into lane one in his
• 51:11
  frickin final. Like make please that make make
• 51:14
  that make sense. Like it doesn't so like arguably
• 51:19
  he could be a world medalist if he actually got the lane draw he
• 51:22
  deserved. Umm or there are no mentions
• 51:25
  where Dan Michael Haney, Jack O'Leary, Andrew Cosgren, but
• 51:28
  like Andrew Cosgren making a world final.
• 51:31
  Like that's another not mention. Like he sort of levelled up
• 51:34
  again. And but yeah, further current
• 51:39
  have two national records. It's it's like, especially like.
• 51:44
  Long standing ones in a. Way.
• 51:45
  So yeah, I probably, I can't really argue with them with that
• 51:51
  one prior. To this year was Fergal.
• 51:55
  Care and a potential national record holder, as in like, is he
• 52:00
  almost a breakthrough athlete as well or?
• 52:04
  He's run 13 high for 5K. Like he, unlike he was in
• 52:08
  America, he's doing in America. He's like running in America.
• 52:11
  So you don't really know what type of stuff he's doing because
• 52:14
  he's on that American circuit, but I wouldn't have put him as a
• 52:20
  60 low guy and the Irish record holder put it that way.
• 52:25
  So yeah, it probably is sort of a breakthrough year for him.
• 52:29
  Like he's still unsponsored now. He'll probably sign for someone
• 52:32
  on the 1st January. But yeah, like phenomenal
• 52:36
  running. Like he's right up there now
• 52:38
  with the best in Europe. Are you about to take?
• 52:41
  Off in a helicopter or. You just jumped inside the
• 52:44
  washing machine. Oh, can you hear that?
• 52:47
  That's the washing machine. Give me a SEC.
• 52:53
  Oh, that's better I. Was inside.
• 52:56
  It for a minute there. And went straight from his
• 52:59
  pantry into the is the water. I thought maybe you were sitting
• 53:02
  in the in the industrial in a laundromat or something.
• 53:06
  Right. All right.
• 53:10
  We need. We need.
• 53:11
  Them to do as. Buddy females, but maybe we'll
• 53:13
  just go back once as watch finish before while we while
• 53:18
  we've. Got some some airspace here.
• 53:20
  Just some just a thought on the men's, Irish men's results like
• 53:26
  4th at a world championship. I was just looking back through
• 53:29
  like Irish world championship medalists and there's not in
• 53:33
  athletics and there's not a heap.
• 53:35
  And so to finish 4th at a World Championships is pretty
• 53:39
  exceptional, right? And not only that, but the men's
• 53:44
  800 is going through like a like 5 or 5 or so years ago when
• 53:50
  Peter Bowl finished fourth. When Peter Bowl finished fourth.
• 53:59
  At the Olympics in Tokyo, I think he was running like 144
• 54:05
  low 144 mid to medal there. I thought those guys were
• 54:10
  running like 142 in the final at Tokyo.
• 54:12
  So I think the the competition's got even more fierce and the
• 54:17
  it's got even faster and he's competitive.
• 54:19
  So yeah, I don't know two very good candidates I would have
• 54:24
  thought. Yeah, well, if.
• 54:26
  You think back, we spoke about the 800.
• 54:28
  Oh, yeah, and the potential impending world record.
• 54:31
  And there was like 5 or 6 people who could have done it.
• 54:34
  There was 1. Yoni, Max Bergen.
• 54:38
  Donovan Brazier was making his comeback.
• 54:41
  Josh Howey, That's a Josie. And not once had I whispered the
• 54:47
  words came Mcphillips. So to then end up finishing
• 54:49
  fourth is, yeah, outrageous. But yeah, you also.
• 54:54
  Appreciate the you. Know those long standing records
• 54:56
  whenever they do get broken? Like, that's quite a monumental
• 54:59
  thing too. And we move on to the women.
• 55:05
  OK, so the women is a 4A tie for third with Alex O'Neal, Emma
• 55:16
  Hickey for Neil McCormick and Neve Allen.
• 55:19
  Second was Sophie O'Sullivan and #1 which is probably just a
• 55:25
  stand up performance. Sarah Haley she'd 41% of the
• 55:28
  votes. She's with that group where
• 55:30
  Keely and and. Georgia Hunter.
• 55:35
  Bell so yeah, she's at a phenomenal year.
• 55:37
  She won diamond leagues. She performed really well
• 55:39
  throughout. Yeah, sort of a sort of a no
• 55:43
  brainer on that one. Really really good from Sarah
• 55:45
  this year did how? Far through the world champs.
• 55:49
  Did she got that? She got out of the heats.
• 55:52
  She was lucky. I think she.
• 55:54
  Got as like fastest loser or something like that I remember.
• 55:59
  Again in the early. Part of the year she was having
• 56:02
  some really strong performances, wasn't she?
• 56:04
  That she may be finished like second at a Diamond League or
• 56:06
  even win 1. And she won a Diamond League,
• 56:12
  which is. Crazy so.
• 56:15
  Yeah, she's. She she just had a really,
• 56:17
  really, really good year all around.
• 56:19
  Emma Hickey, the young, she was tied for 1/3.
• 56:22
  She is like 16 and she won bronze at the Euro cross there,
• 56:27
  so she's won for the future. Fenilla McCormick just stand out
• 56:31
  like she's just I think she's run 5 Olympics now and Sophie
• 56:36
  O'Sullivan and 2nd is a bit of a rogue one might be because of
• 56:40
  her mother is running royalty. But yeah, Sarah's just hands and
• 56:44
  winner. Did Sarah Healy win?
• 56:48
  Is it European gold in was it or out of the year?
• 56:51
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know one of the nominees
• 56:56
  there, Emily. Hagard Kearney, we probably
• 56:59
  wouldn't have heard of her but funny story, the club that Joe
• 57:03
  Wigfield runs for Wirral AC, she is a part of that club.
• 57:07
  So for me to then, because she used to race some of the local
• 57:11
  Rd. races that I would do when I was running for Wallasey and at
• 57:14
  the time she was in College in America somewhere.
• 57:17
  But she would often come back home and put Wirrals vest on
• 57:22
  because like the Cairney family are like notorious locally for
• 57:26
  having like just they must have like 5 or 6 kids and they're all
• 57:29
  always really good runners. So then for me to see her
• 57:33
  representing Ireland, I was quite confused.
• 57:35
  But there must be some Irish family heritage somewhere.
• 57:39
  So there's one that's gone the other way.
• 57:41
  I went usually to come and back our way.
• 57:44
  Yeah, we got one back on. Yes, thank God.
• 57:46
  I've never heard of them before so be interested.
• 57:48
  She used to. She used to smack off all the.
• 57:51
  Fellas from our club, it's you. I'll have to have a.
• 57:56
  Look at our head to heads. Maybe so on to the Aussies.
• 58:03
  In the men's we had in terms of nominations, we had Cam Myers,
• 58:08
  Kai Robinson, Seth O'Donnell, Sam Clifford, Isaac Kane, Adam
• 58:12
  Goddard, Ed Marks and Peter Boll and.
• 58:16
  The from 3rd to. First third was Kai Robinson
• 58:19
  with just over 20% of the votes, Seth O'donnell's second with 33%
• 58:24
  of the votes and Cam in 37% of the votes was the winner.
• 58:29
  Cam Miners yeah, interesting results.
• 58:36
  I think like because at the world Champs we had three guys,
• 58:42
  the three that went, I think we're all ranked around 30th in
• 58:47
  the world going into it with their world championship ranking
• 58:50
  positions. But none of them made it out of
• 58:52
  the heats which included. Cam But he did.
• 58:55
  Win the World Cross Selection Trials race.
• 59:00
  Cross Country was the winner of the Australian 1500 meter champs
• 59:05
  and I think maybe finished third in the 5K behind Seth and Kai
• 59:14
  earlier in the year in the 5K in Perth.
• 59:20
  What did Cam do? Like other than that he didn't.
• 59:22
  Really do like, Fair enough, All right.
• 59:25
  Super. Young kid, loads of variable.
• 59:27
  He didn't really have a great year, did he?
• 59:30
  Like the championship at the end of the year, he just totally
• 59:32
  bottled, didn't he? Yeah, I don't know.
• 59:35
  With where the. Where the votes come from for
• 59:38
  him and taken almost half of them.
• 59:40
  I mean, obviously he's like a a national poster boy and star
• 59:45
  boy, but and he's the most. Recognizable name, but that's.
• 59:49
  All I can think of, because yeah, I'd be handing it to Kai,
• 59:53
  given what we spoke about earlier.
• 59:55
  He did run. He did run to World under 20
• 1:00:00
  records or maybe sorry. 1. But both within the same race.
• 1:00:06
  So he ran an indoor mile in 347 and on route to that round 332,
• 1:00:12
  which were both Australian as well as world records for under
• 1:00:19
  20s. OK like that is.
• 1:00:21
  Crazy good as well. But I think like bigger picture
• 1:00:24
  Kai Robson, like you wouldn't have put him coming forth in the
• 1:00:27
  world and this year. So yeah, I think Kai all.
• 1:00:33
  Around peaked. At the right times, so he
• 1:00:35
  deserves it. Even though the listeners get
• 1:00:39
  the final say. Yeah.
• 1:00:43
  I just got this one wrong. Bloody our listeners, we've been
• 1:00:47
  telling you. Oh yeah, and then.
• 1:00:56
  In the women's but we had as nominees Jess Hall, Claudia
• 1:01:02
  Hollingsworth, Sarah Billings, Georgia Griffith, Linden Hall,
• 1:01:05
  Lauren Ryan, Rose Davies or Rosie Davis and Izzy Bet Doyle.
• 1:01:12
  Jess and Leanne I think. We're also in there, but they
• 1:01:15
  were cut off. The screenshot of course, can.
• 1:01:20
  We just go back, Cam. I think he's been, he's dropped
• 1:01:23
  out of the world cross country trials for some, I think it says
• 1:01:27
  medical reasons. So in his place is going to be
• 1:01:34
  Jack Anstey. So yeah, I wonder what's
• 1:01:37
  happening with Cam there. Well.
• 1:01:41
  That's interesting as well because wasn't the conversation
• 1:01:44
  around the 2nd place? Cam had the 1st place, then it
• 1:01:47
  was like oh will Ollie whore or Jude Thomas get it?
• 1:01:50
  So then a place becomes available and it doesn't go to
• 1:01:53
  Jude Thomas, but maybe he's already locked in some indoor
• 1:01:56
  races or something instead. Yeah, I presume so.
• 1:02:02
  Does that? Well, clearly it weakens.
• 1:02:04
  The Australian bid for because I think they they were looking at
• 1:02:06
  maybe challenging for gold or at least a medal over that mixed
• 1:02:09
  relay distance. I wonder how much damage it
• 1:02:13
  does. Yeah, you don't think it?
• 1:02:16
  I doubt it helps our chances, particularly given how Cam raced
• 1:02:19
  at the cross country trials. Right.
• 1:02:21
  He looked pretty fit. So getting back to the.
• 1:02:26
  Women's performances, we had tied for third, Leanne and Izzy
• 1:02:29
  in second, Jess and and the winner would just hole and Jess
• 1:02:36
  Hall was quite a ways ahead 58%. So over half.
• 1:02:39
  That's one of the strongest polls of the of all of the votes
• 1:02:44
  we collected, I think, I think. It's a.
• 1:02:48
  It's a. Fair result, but there's some
• 1:02:53
  pretty. Exceptional performances.
• 1:02:54
  Like, easiest performance in the half marathon that was an
• 1:02:57
  Australian record. Yeah, Stenson's performance
• 1:03:01
  marathon to break the marathon Australian record as well, both
• 1:03:07
  very exceptional performances and then, but I think Jess Hull
• 1:03:11
  ran wreck Australian records of her own, I think, as well as
• 1:03:15
  meddling at a major championship.
• 1:03:19
  Yeah, which is fair. Enough like you.
• 1:03:22
  Get sucked into the again, recency bias with Jess's
• 1:03:24
  breaking the marathon record. And I think maybe it's been
• 1:03:28
  raised by listeners in the past that like kind of so much weight
• 1:03:30
  is placed on the marathon over like track races.
• 1:03:38
  But yeah, Jess was. Competitive all year on the
• 1:03:40
  global stage and then, OK, yeah, she comes away with the bronze
• 1:03:44
  and not the silver that she'd had the year prior or an
• 1:03:47
  upgraded gold. But still just because I feel
• 1:03:52
  like I've contradicted myself all the way throughout this
• 1:03:54
  episode like by saying, oh, you can't measure them based on what
• 1:03:59
  they've done before. You have to just look at it now.
• 1:04:00
  But at the end of the day, is still a bronze medal on the
• 1:04:04
  global stage. And then you're trying to make a
• 1:04:06
  case for other people who are like, just competing on the
• 1:04:09
  global stage. So Jess is the wealthy winner as
• 1:04:14
  well? In my opinion.
• 1:04:16
  Yeah, I think Jess deserves it. That she's up there with the
• 1:04:20
  East kind, East Africans, and she was very even the way she
• 1:04:24
  raced it, fair enough. It didn't work out, but she was
• 1:04:26
  really brave going with the going with Faith and also, yeah,
• 1:04:30
  she's just phenomenal. She's going toe to toe.
• 1:04:33
  With arguably. The the greatest of all time,
• 1:04:36
  Faith Capy Aegon. So how can you not award it to
• 1:04:40
  her? Like yeah, Faith, Capy, Aegon
• 1:04:42
  isn't. There Jess is winning World
• 1:04:43
  Championships, which is pretty crazy.
• 1:04:47
  Now we've got. The last award of the.
• 1:04:49
  Year is almost the. The easy double.
• 1:04:55
  I don't know the YouTube Diaries of the year, essentially the
• 1:04:57
  YouTube of the I don't want to call them YouTube of the year,
• 1:04:59
  but that's that's what the award is.
• 1:05:02
  So then who who wants to crown this one?
• 1:05:04
  Because it's our very own award. Feel like you 2 have been.
• 1:05:08
  Big advocates of YouTube. Diaries throughout the year?
• 1:05:12
  Yeah, go for. I will then.
• 1:05:15
  In 3rd is Team Macau which is the British based TOCA sponsored
• 1:05:19
  team with Callum Nelson, Scott B, Roy Leonard, Sarah Austin.
• 1:05:24
  India Weir. Them boys so they came third
• 1:05:28
  second Clayton Young for his his marathon documenting is just
• 1:05:33
  crazy, crazy God great insight into.
• 1:05:36
  What he does? And then he backs it up with
• 1:05:38
  some really good, really good results.
• 1:05:40
  Is just a shame Valencia didn't happen because I think everyone
• 1:05:43
  was looking forward to that one. And then number one, it's sort
• 1:05:46
  of good sort of finished here like this because he's just
• 1:05:50
  released a one hour sort of documentary, like sort of like
• 1:05:54
  umm, Netflix style documentary thing.
• 1:05:56
  Today it's Jake Barclough, Mr. Rant to Mr. Rant to Japan.
• 1:06:02
  Yeah, he just he's so funny, great insight into running.
• 1:06:06
  He does crazy shit and he's just, yeah, really likable
• 1:06:11
  person. So I think no one will have any
• 1:06:13
  complaints that Jake wins YouTube of the year.
• 1:06:17
  And like in dismissive year he's gotten like 100,000 subscribers
• 1:06:21
  which like again, it's just crazy how big his channel has
• 1:06:25
  grown. So yeah, kudos to Jake, I think.
• 1:06:31
  So yeah, we had, in terms of the shortlist, the other people we
• 1:06:35
  had in there was Izzybat Doyle, Yakobinka, Brits, and Phil
• 1:06:38
  Sessman, Alexia, Adam Fogg and a few others.
• 1:06:42
  And they're all great YouTube content creators for sure.
• 1:06:46
  And some of the quality, like for some of those channels is
• 1:06:50
  outrageously good. But I think the fact is, you
• 1:06:54
  know, every Sunday, you know when it's coming out, you know,
• 1:06:59
  when the video drops, you, you have a bit of a theme, you, you
• 1:07:02
  know the style, you know what to expect.
• 1:07:04
  And you, you're following his journey week to week.
• 1:07:07
  And there's something that he either wants to talk about or
• 1:07:10
  something he wants to share as an experience.
• 1:07:13
  And I think that might set him apart.
• 1:07:14
  Like, you know, that regular, consistent content.
• 1:07:17
  It's the same with putting out a podcast.
• 1:07:18
  When you put it in, you know what to expect between your ears
• 1:07:21
  and you and you. You know what to watch.
• 1:07:23
  With his content. I think that's something a bit
• 1:07:26
  unique for him versus the others.
• 1:07:29
  Yeah. How could?
• 1:07:30
  We award it to anyone else. We've given up a.
• 1:07:34
  YouTube areas but he. Almost gets the plug every week.
• 1:07:38
  Yeah, and we just enjoy. Watching it every week.
• 1:07:39
  Do you have? Any highlights of favorite
• 1:07:42
  moments from the year? The.
• 1:07:45
  Training camp up in the hills and then.
• 1:07:47
  You see, like that one? And he liked that one as well.
• 1:07:54
  The for me and. Like it's funny that it's not
• 1:07:58
  necessarily running related, but you know, you always want people
• 1:08:02
  to be well, but the arm, you know, when the when the
• 1:08:06
  infection. Oh gosh.
• 1:08:08
  Like. Because he's so positive.
• 1:08:12
  Like, he's very, he's a very positive person, right?
• 1:08:16
  And it's not going to plan, I don't think.
• 1:08:18
  And, you know, you can relate to wanting to keep the running
• 1:08:21
  dream alive as well. Like, oh, it's OK.
• 1:08:23
  You know, I'll just keep running.
• 1:08:25
  And then I think his arm's going full, like septic and not going
• 1:08:29
  very well. And it's very, he had a very
• 1:08:32
  good take on it, almost a look inside his head at that.
• 1:08:35
  Point thinking like oh shit like I could end up dying here but if
• 1:08:40
  I don't at least it'll make good YouTube content.
• 1:08:46
  Oh dear. Yeah, so.
• 1:08:51
  Congrats, Jake. Congrats all of.
• 1:08:53
  The winners, I'll just summarise given we we offered our own
• 1:08:56
  opinion and maybe confuse people along the way.
• 1:08:59
  Male international athlete Jimmy Gressier.
• 1:09:01
  Female international athlete Beatrice.
• 1:09:03
  Shabbat breakthrough of the year, Seth O'Donnell.
• 1:09:08
  Favorite interview or guest? Izzy Beth Doyle.
• 1:09:12
  Fan favorite of the year was a four way tie between Callum
• 1:09:14
  Elson, Geordie Beamish, Jake Barraclough and Seth O'Donnell.
• 1:09:18
  Ease double moments of the year was a two way tie between Ryan's
• 1:09:21
  Coffee stain Pilates attempt and Owens rants.
• 1:09:24
  Sabotage. Sabotaging our sponsors, the
• 1:09:27
  British male of the year, Alex Ye.
• 1:09:29
  British female of the year, not Eilish Mccolgan but Keeley
• 1:09:34
  Hodgkinson. Irish male of the.
• 1:09:37
  Year Fergal Curtain. Irish Female of the year Sarah
• 1:09:40
  Healy, Australian Male of the year Cam Myers and Australian
• 1:09:44
  Female of the year Jess Hall. Well, thanks everyone who voted
• 1:09:50
  that. Was very fun and I enjoyed
• 1:09:51
  following along throughout the week seeing the the votes kind
• 1:09:56
  of peak and through here and there.
• 1:09:58
  So there were some changes. I won't go into that because the
• 1:10:00
  winners are the winners. The voting has closed the
• 1:10:05
  listeners. Have spoken and now maybe we
• 1:10:10
  will. Speak on wins and loss, or maybe
• 1:10:13
  we'll go to Owen's race recap because we have a good race from
• 1:10:16
  yesterday. Let's do that.
• 1:10:17
  Owen, tell us about your Christmas week of training and
• 1:10:21
  how your race went so. OK, one SEC.
• 1:10:26
  I need to get my this travel so it.
• 1:10:32
  Started. Oh yeah, so.
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  Sunday was a big day. I was down in Limerick which is
• 1:10:39
  like a three hour drive from where I live.
• 1:10:42
  So yeah, I drove home Sunday evening.
• 1:10:47
  It was grand. Had a phone call with my coach
• 1:10:49
  and he was like saying oh if you feel tired on Monday don't just.
• 1:10:56
  Drop a run like. There's no point of stressing
• 1:11:00
  yourself out or anything like that.
• 1:11:02
  So Monday morning I Monday morning.
• 1:11:07
  I got out for. Just a 60 minute jog on the
• 1:11:11
  treadmill, so 12.7 K just chilling and I felt all right.
• 1:11:16
  And but Monday evening then I got out for one of the lads
• 1:11:20
  actually won the football lads Connor, he actually listens to
• 1:11:22
  the podcast Jedded him. He went out for a jog with him
• 1:11:26
  and it was just 45 minutes on some strides.
• 1:11:29
  And after that my legs felt really beat up like more than
• 1:11:33
  they should be after a 45 minute run.
• 1:11:37
  So got into the boots when I got home, tried to massage out,
• 1:11:41
  shake out the legs because I had a session on Tuesday morning so
• 1:11:47
  I was just conscious. Of I had a double.
• 1:11:48
  Session day actually Tuesday, so I was conscious of getting that
• 1:11:51
  done and so got off in the morning, done my usual warm up
• 1:11:55
  and the session was 2 by 10 minutes off 5 minutes.
• 1:12:01
  And it's just this little loop around a village beside me and
• 1:12:07
  got that done. But I felt super like bad doing
• 1:12:11
  it and my legs were just like they were so beat up.
• 1:12:15
  And so the session was I think worked at like 7.5 K 319
• 1:12:20
  average. So like I hit the the paces and
• 1:12:22
  all it's just I felt so bad doing it.
• 1:12:25
  So I get my gone. Is that meant to be like a
• 1:12:29
  double threshold? Kind of day then, with your
• 1:12:30
  tutions. Yes, it was supposed to be in
• 1:12:33
  the evening. It was meant to.
• 1:12:33
  Be 2 by 15 minutes and. So gave my coach.
• 1:12:38
  Call. And he was like, yeah, I thought
• 1:12:42
  you'd be tired. So he like pulled the training
• 1:12:44
  right back, but it was just weird, like on the Sunday he
• 1:12:49
  sort of knew my leg is going to be beat up.
• 1:12:51
  So I probably look into hindsight, probably wouldn't
• 1:12:53
  better off taking one of the easier ones on Monday, give my
• 1:12:56
  body more time to recover. But I felt all right.
• 1:12:58
  I was just the delayed fatigue and on the weekend, like, I
• 1:13:02
  probably got to bed a bit late on Saturday and it was just like
• 1:13:05
  a lot of little things to driving up and down.
• 1:13:08
  So yeah, I don't nothing Tuesday evening, nothing Wednesday just
• 1:13:13
  totally pulled it back and then then Thursday was Christmas Day
• 1:13:18
  so I got out for just 35 minute jog, AKA 420 twos per kilometer.
• 1:13:24
  Felt good, like the legs are coming back to me and.
• 1:13:29
  Then the. 3rd 26th So Boxing Day, Stevens Day, that was the
• 1:13:35
  Friday, so this is the day before the race now and with the
• 1:13:39
  Who's Steven? Stevens.
• 1:13:43
  Day that's I don't know who I don't.
• 1:13:44
  Know why they call it? That's the color over here.
• 1:13:46
  Saint Stephen's Day whilst. You speak, I'm going to.
• 1:13:50
  Find out who he was, what he done, OK?
• 1:13:55
  So on yeah, the 26th, it's Friday.
• 1:13:59
  I actually adopted Phoenix Park and I only had.
• 1:14:03
  Like a four. If this like pre race, so I
• 1:14:06
  don't like 45 minutes, I don't a 5 minute threshold and then I
• 1:14:10
  don't like 3 but 200 meters. But I was I was joined by some
• 1:14:14
  pretty cool company on this run. I was joined by Andrew Costner
• 1:14:18
  and Brian Faye. So then boys were doing some
• 1:14:22
  threshold work and yeah, I rocked up with them done warm up
• 1:14:26
  with them and the cool down. But yeah, just cool like here
• 1:14:30
  and listen them boys talk about their training and their plans
• 1:14:33
  for the year. It's it was pretty inspiring.
• 1:14:36
  So the threshold I actually wore the new shoes I got for
• 1:14:40
  Christmas. So I got there Puma fast or
• 1:14:43
  threes. So I just gave them a weeks
• 1:14:45
  then. So yeah, got them really good.
• 1:14:49
  They sort of they're not as stable as this other super shoes
• 1:14:53
  I've run in and boss. They're super, super poppy.
• 1:14:58
  They're it's not like your phone like sinks into them.
• 1:15:01
  So I really, really did like them.
• 1:15:03
  So but that that Rojo total. Run was like. 16 K, an average
• 1:15:08
  pace of like four O 6. I worked out.
• 1:15:10
  So then boys do a longer warm up and cool down.
• 1:15:13
  So I wasn't planning on doing a full on taper for this race
• 1:15:17
  because it'd be awkward because I still have another two weeks.
• 1:15:21
  So like next week is sort of big and then it's just a taper.
• 1:15:25
  But yeah, feeling good. And then yeah, go on.
• 1:15:30
  What what time was that run to get?
• 1:15:31
  Where they start an early or just 10:00?
• 1:15:35
  Oh yeah, professional hours. I know.
• 1:15:38
  It's so good. It's so good and and the warm up
• 1:15:44
  and cool down. They were happy to just
• 1:15:47
  completely jog. There's no, that's all they do
• 1:15:49
  anyway. Yeah, they were just.
• 1:15:50
  Chilling. Their session was like 3 by like
• 1:15:54
  12 minutes or something like that, so that was a lot fair day
• 1:15:57
  before. Hey.
• 1:15:59
  Yeah, yeah, it was a. Decent, but again, like a lot of
• 1:16:02
  it was just plodding around. So like there actually was only
• 1:16:06
  5. Minutes worth of threshold.
• 1:16:07
  And then 3 by 200 meter strides. So it wasn't really that much.
• 1:16:12
  And then I thought you said 16. You say 16 K?
• 1:16:16
  Yeah, 16.8 K, yeah. Yeah, it's.
• 1:16:21
  It's a fit. What and what did you do?
• 1:16:23
  33K threshold and then the rest of it jogging.
• 1:16:26
  No, no, no. So the whole.
• 1:16:29
  Thing it was basically 45 minutes jog trash, 5 minute
• 1:16:33
  threshold, a few 2 hundreds and then it cooled down with the
• 1:16:36
  guys. Apologies for that 45 minutes,
• 1:16:39
  yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:40
  Sorry, 20 minutes. Yeah, OK.
• 1:16:43
  So. Yeah, well, it was like an hour,
• 1:16:45
  like 70 minutes worth of running so much too crazy.
• 1:16:49
  Gotcha, Gotcha. And then yeah, Saturday morning
• 1:16:53
  doing my usual warmth, it will like warm up.
• 1:16:56
  So 15 minute jog and two by two-minute threshold and then a
• 1:17:03
  few strides and will you keep? That now as your normal.
• 1:17:09
  Warm up, do you think, like before a race, the two-minute,
• 1:17:12
  the 2, two-minute threshold intervals?
• 1:17:15
  Yeah, I feel like it sort of gets your body like.
• 1:17:18
  Primed as to like what's going to happen because it is like
• 1:17:21
  sort of like a stride. You don't really get the feeling
• 1:17:24
  for the pace. It's only for like a solid like
• 1:17:26
  like 2 minutes is nothing, but you sort of get a nice rhythm of
• 1:17:30
  the pace. So it's like your body knows
• 1:17:32
  what's going to happen and what do you, what are you?
• 1:17:36
  What are you doing? Then those two minutes at like,
• 1:17:38
  is that 3 minute K pace or 310 pace?
• 1:17:41
  Where were you in the middle? So it's normally like 3 minutes.
• 1:17:44
  Three or five, something like that, just not too hard, but
• 1:17:47
  you're moving. Yeah.
• 1:17:49
  And and then yeah, race time. So the race, the course is like
• 1:17:54
  pretty flat. I can't complain about the
• 1:17:56
  course. I was just.
• 1:17:58
  Going to ask before you. Go into the race, what are you
• 1:18:01
  thinking on the start line in terms of optimal results, what
• 1:18:05
  might happen and that sort of stuff?
• 1:18:07
  Yeah, so with the cross country like?
• 1:18:10
  Is I I knew always fit, but I didn't have like I didn't know
• 1:18:13
  how fit and because cross country like it's on grass, it's
• 1:18:17
  like Angel and surfaces. So you never really know how fit
• 1:18:20
  you are. But like I know I am fit.
• 1:18:23
  So like ideally go out at around like 255 in this race.
• 1:18:28
  Like I know I'm sort of going to be running solo.
• 1:18:30
  Like I didn't know any of the other boys on the start line.
• 1:18:32
  So sort of like a time trial. Just see how fast I can do it
• 1:18:35
  in. And the course is like pretty,
• 1:18:37
  it's pretty flat, like I think it was like 25 meters of
• 1:18:40
  elevation. And the whole thing like the
• 1:18:42
  second K is pretty. It's like all uphill but or not
• 1:18:44
  like it's it's pretty. It's a pretty nice course.
• 1:18:48
  Was it out and back or a loop? No, it was a loop.
• 1:18:51
  It was a loop, so you sort of. Start outside a running track.
• 1:18:54
  You do a little loop and you sort of finish on the running
• 1:18:57
  track. And what's it?
• 1:18:59
  Is it like 5 play? County champs What?
• 1:19:01
  What's the no just this just a normal 5K?
• 1:19:05
  After Christmas it's called like the Robbie and Rita 1.
• 1:19:09
  So gotcha. Yeah.
• 1:19:10
  OK, good setup with finishing on.
• 1:19:12
  The runner track and. Stuff though, yeah, it's cool,
• 1:19:15
  it's cool it's. Sort of it's a good feeling
• 1:19:16
  like, and you sort of run like onto the yeah, yeah, it's cool.
• 1:19:22
  And so, yeah, start off, I think this few people went with me and
• 1:19:30
  like the first K was like a 250, like 249.
• 1:19:34
  And I was like, this is a terrible way for you guys to run
• 1:19:36
  A5. Ki was like, I sort of felt bad
• 1:19:39
  because like they they wouldn't know if I'm going to hold it
• 1:19:42
  either. So I totally understand what
• 1:19:44
  they're doing. You're going to hold it.
• 1:19:46
  Yeah, yeah. True, and it's a wee bit
• 1:19:48
  downhill at the start. Have you seen that?
• 1:19:51
  I've seen the footage. Of you in that first 50 or so
• 1:19:54
  meters and you weren't, you weren't looking around for
• 1:19:57
  friends way. No, I sort of went for it.
• 1:20:00
  It looks a bit like you usually do on the start.
• 1:20:03
  Line Dean, you know, like all jittery and like too fast
• 1:20:05
  though. Yeah, he was.
• 1:20:06
  He was ready for I was good. And.
• 1:20:11
  So yeah, let look. I literally just went out hard
• 1:20:14
  and just felt really good. The first like 3 K 3 1/2 Ki felt
• 1:20:19
  super controlled and then near the last case sort of started to
• 1:20:23
  squeeze a little Bosch like I was solo.
• 1:20:27
  The hallway there was a bit of a headwind as well on the last K
• 1:20:30
  umm, so like like it was APB like I don't know if I count
• 1:20:34
  these Rd. races as APB. They're not like certified or
• 1:20:38
  anything. And so yeah, like 1427 solo Umm,
• 1:20:43
  I really, I can't complain. Like if you were to say I'd run
• 1:20:46
  that solo, like when I, when I finished race, I'm like, oh, I'm
• 1:20:50
  so, so far off. Like like the 13 minute, like
• 1:20:54
  guys, but umm, like hindsight, like if I, yeah, if you told me
• 1:20:58
  I'd run 1427 solo, I'd beat your arm off for and like I'm still
• 1:21:02
  heavy load. And yeah, look, I can't really.
• 1:21:06
  Complain. So it's umm.
• 1:21:08
  It's sort of a good sort of confidence booster for Valencia
• 1:21:13
  and you've, what have you, how long have you been?
• 1:21:15
  Back in Ireland for because that's really when you started
• 1:21:17
  training again. It's not been that long to be
• 1:21:18
  honest. I think I got going again in.
• 1:21:21
  June. Yeah, so or five months?
• 1:21:25
  Yeah, well. June.
• 1:21:29
  Yeah, well, say 7. We'll say 7.
• 1:21:31
  Months, OK, Sure, sure, sure, sure.
• 1:21:34
  And this is that your second new 5.
• 1:21:37
  KPB since all your first time doing it that is so I got.
• 1:21:43
  In Perth in January I ran 1433, then when I got home to Ireland
• 1:21:51
  I ran 1430 and now 1427 and. You are you on the PB?
• 1:21:59
  Bonus as well chipping them away.
• 1:22:05
  So yeah, look, it's good. I mean, really I just need to
• 1:22:08
  keep like I could have easily cooked myself if I didn't have
• 1:22:11
  that caught my coach during the week.
• 1:22:12
  So he just like pulls me back when I didn't be pulled back.
• 1:22:16
  But it's sort of like 2 weeks now.
• 1:22:18
  I just need to keep on the straight and narrow.
• 1:22:20
  I think I've like one or two more head sessions and but it's
• 1:22:23
  just like really easy jogging now.
• 1:22:24
  So I'm I'm nearly there and. That evening I got out.
• 1:22:30
  For a 45 minute jog, I don't 10K at 4:20 sixes, umm.
• 1:22:38
  And yeah, I just as soon as I get out the door, like my heart
• 1:22:41
  rate was pretty high. So I was really just, I was
• 1:22:44
  contemplating doing an hour and I was like, look, this actually
• 1:22:46
  15 minutes, they're going to benefit me in no way whatsoever.
• 1:22:49
  So umm, I am, yeah, I just left at 45.
• 1:22:52
  And actually when I was in Australia, I done my regional
• 1:22:57
  work in a place called Stall, and we were doing it with this
• 1:23:01
  Brazilian couple and they've actually moved to Ireland now.
• 1:23:05
  So they were over with us. So they went to the race and
• 1:23:08
  all. And so, yeah, it was good to see
• 1:23:11
  them them again. So yeah.
• 1:23:15
  And then this. Morning I done. 95 minutes where
• 1:23:19
  15 minute pick up in the middle and so that was 24K-350 fours.
• 1:23:27
  It was the last run I've retired my super blasts so I am
• 1:23:30
  absolutely devastated. They've got 1000 KS in them so
• 1:23:35
  it's time to go to the charity shop.
• 1:23:37
  But yeah, they'll be they'll be greatly missed in my rotation.
• 1:23:42
  But I love the Puma faster trees.
• 1:23:43
  They felt really good and. But yeah, I.
• 1:23:46
  Think it was 100. And 16, yeah, absolutely,
• 1:23:51
  absolutely. And it was 116 K for the week.
• 1:23:55
  And yeah, that's me. Good week, Santa delivered you a
• 1:24:01
  PB. Well done.
• 1:24:03
  Yeah, I got them shocks headphones as well.
• 1:24:05
  They're pretty cool, got really well looked.
• 1:24:07
  After by Santa, didn't you? Yeah, go.
• 1:24:10
  So good. Great man.
• 1:24:16
  I've just had to. Change location because the cat.
• 1:24:18
  Just had the shit right next to me.
• 1:24:19
  It's stung. His birthday?
• 1:24:23
  Shit, yeah. He's.
• 1:24:26
  The birthday. Cakes clearly went straight
• 1:24:29
  through. He's at 5:00 AM as well.
• 1:24:34
  No, Becky's making one forum at 5:00 AM this morning.
• 1:24:38
  A mashed Mashed potato, mashed sweet potato in like she put
• 1:24:43
  made it into a Patty, got like a little licky trees and squirted
• 1:24:47
  it all over the top and dotted all these like little biscuit
• 1:24:51
  bites on it. It's it's outrageous what's
• 1:24:53
  going on for this car. But yeah.
• 1:24:57
  You feel like you've gone down there.
• 1:24:59
  Are you, you know, now second favorite in the house?
• 1:25:04
  Absolutely. Then your running seems to have
• 1:25:11
  been. Taking another step in the right
• 1:25:13
  direction, is that a fair assumption?
• 1:25:16
  Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I am moving a bit better
• 1:25:24
  each day, week on week. It's getting better.
• 1:25:28
  This week I ran 93 KS, so a bit of a step up from the last four
• 1:25:36
  weeks, in part because I was riding less as well.
• 1:25:42
  As we mentioned from about whenever it was Thursday with
• 1:25:45
  Christmas and those sorts of things.
• 1:25:47
  I've just stepped out for a couple of smaller jogs and not
• 1:25:51
  done our traditional bike intervals.
• 1:25:54
  And then I didn't do our long ride yesterday just because it's
• 1:25:57
  been a bit messy at home. But yeah, I, I ventured down,
• 1:26:03
  Ron and I ventured down to the track on Tuesday just to meet a
• 1:26:06
  few of the guys that were in town.
• 1:26:09
  And I did test out moving a bit quicker, which felt nice, but
• 1:26:13
  mechanically I was a little bit uncomfortable in the days after,
• 1:26:16
  which is not to be. Not unexpected.
• 1:26:20
  But just frustrating because you know that any discomfort is
• 1:26:24
  means you're sort of not right to absolutely let RIP.
• 1:26:27
  But yeah, things are going well. I think inching closer it's just
• 1:26:33
  loading it up. Slowly and.
• 1:26:36
  You know. Introducing more and more load.
• 1:26:38
  Over time, but yeah, things certainly feel better week on
• 1:26:40
  week, which is really nice. So should be, should be very
• 1:26:43
  grateful for that. Did a little bit of elliptical,
• 1:26:46
  2 gym sessions and yeah onwards and upwards hopefully.
• 1:26:51
  How do you? Well, a couple.
• 1:26:53
  Of things, first one, how do you transition from where you are
• 1:26:56
  now say like 90 odd K is worth a jog and to put in some the first
• 1:27:02
  bits of threshold back in like does that happen next week or do
• 1:27:05
  you need to do like 3 or 4 more of these weeks?
• 1:27:11
  I think in terms of. Handover.
• 1:27:12
  I think I'll go from physio to rough shortly.
• 1:27:16
  I think it's a little bit trial and error to be honest.
• 1:27:18
  I don't think it's my understanding is the discomfort
• 1:27:22
  where I've got it is is in a joint and as I move quicker the
• 1:27:26
  joint becomes more and more sensitive to the movement.
• 1:27:30
  So if it's not as sensitive, then I can probably load it up a
• 1:27:35
  little bit more like I've got a scan just as a precaution booked
• 1:27:39
  in for end of Jan just to make sure I'm not creating anything,
• 1:27:43
  any doing any damage to myself. But what I'm finding now is
• 1:27:48
  probably jogging or steady running doesn't create
• 1:27:52
  discomfort. It's more just as I'm trying to
• 1:27:54
  move quickly. So just means I have to be a
• 1:27:57
  little bit slow in terms of introducing intensity, I think.
• 1:28:00
  So I just need to be careful. And I, I actually think I can
• 1:28:03
  get quite fit from just amassing some, some mileage without
• 1:28:08
  trying to stir it up by running too quickly.
• 1:28:10
  So I think that's probably what we'll do in the first instance.
• 1:28:15
  So maybe some steady running one day, some bike intervals another
• 1:28:19
  day. That's to keep that long ride
• 1:28:21
  like I can still get my heart rate up without trying to run
• 1:28:25
  too quick. I.
• 1:28:26
  Think will be the plan. But all to be unpacked as a
• 1:28:30
  based on symptoms and how I'm going over the next month, I
• 1:28:34
  suppose, yeah. Good, sensible as well.
• 1:28:38
  Second thing being on Tuesday at the track there where on came
• 1:28:43
  down, didn't they? And like was part of I think the
• 1:28:46
  running center brought them down.
• 1:28:48
  So it was cool to see Ben again. And he brought with him Jesse
• 1:28:53
  Hunt. And that was Luke Shaw wasn't
• 1:28:55
  part of like Ben and on, was he? He was just kind of the ex.
• 1:28:59
  He was in town for Christmas. Yeah.
• 1:29:02
  So, Luke. 'S I think moved to Melbourne,
• 1:29:05
  but he yeah, yeah, I like a lot of the guys.
• 1:29:08
  You see them all come in for, back home for, for, for
• 1:29:11
  Christmas. So he just came down and did the
• 1:29:13
  workout with us because it would make sense to look around and
• 1:29:17
  Jesse and yeah, you would have been, you'd have loved that one.
• 1:29:21
  Owen So there was a group of Jesse Hunt this Luke Shaw,
• 1:29:27
  Kieran and Crossy. We're all doing the like
• 1:29:30
  traditional track workout together.
• 1:29:32
  And Tom Moorcroft was just drugged jogging around the
• 1:29:35
  outside and he was spewing because I think he was like
• 1:29:37
  tired or I'll or something. He was like, oh, like the one
• 1:29:41
  time that like the the big fellas are in town, they have to
• 1:29:44
  sit it out. Did you just try on some of the
• 1:29:49
  spikes? Or no, but they had I wanted to.
• 1:29:54
  Yeah, now there for testing, but it's been good actually, the
• 1:29:59
  running centre have been doing quite a few different are they
• 1:30:01
  called activations or whatever the, you know just where they
• 1:30:05
  like collabs for different running brands and they bring
• 1:30:07
  all the wear testing. They bring all the shoes down,
• 1:30:09
  which is which is fun. Like they did one the other
• 1:30:12
  night with our six and I tried on the mega Blast, which are a
• 1:30:15
  fun shoe. I still think I'd prefer the
• 1:30:17
  Super Blast myself, but I could see why people are getting
• 1:30:19
  excited for them. And yeah, they had a a heap of
• 1:30:23
  what do they have probably four or five different of the on
• 1:30:26
  shoes to to try on. Yeah.
• 1:30:30
  Do you know much? About them though, and they've,
• 1:30:32
  they've got like the, the spikes.
• 1:30:34
  The one thing I noticed about them, the foam, it almost looks
• 1:30:38
  like a training shoe. There's like I don't know how
• 1:30:40
  many miles of foam in it must be up to the legal limit, but the
• 1:30:44
  guy was saying they've deliberately focused it like the
• 1:30:48
  the longer end of middle distance.
• 1:30:50
  They're they're like not a Sprint and spike.
• 1:30:52
  So it should be more comfortable for your calves rather than
• 1:30:55
  getting absolutely smashed. Though.
• 1:30:57
  I don't know what the feedback was from the people who tried
• 1:30:59
  them on, but they looked good it looked like.
• 1:31:03
  Such a good like event of the track.
• 1:31:04
  With all the shoes, like it's sort of like a dream to try on
• 1:31:07
  all shoes for free and like the spikes.
• 1:31:09
  Yeah, yeah, I miss it. Yeah, it's well done.
• 1:31:13
  They're doing a good job. With that sort of stuff.
• 1:31:16
  Particularly when you're spending so much money.
• 1:31:18
  On a new pair of shoes and like we've said prior, you don't know
• 1:31:22
  whether the release it's all just marks in hype or the hype
• 1:31:27
  is real and it's a genuinely good product.
• 1:31:29
  So to be able to put it on your 4th and form an opinion before
• 1:31:32
  you part with any cash, it's very good.
• 1:31:37
  Like, do you remember that Peg? Premium MM hmm, that would it's.
• 1:31:41
  Got the air bubble the whole way through the.
• 1:31:43
  Shoe like I remember moves trying to sell people that like
• 1:31:46
  I guarantee you that shoe is fucking shit.
• 1:31:49
  It looks like an absolute block. There's way, way, way better
• 1:31:52
  shoes out there. But it's yeah, just trying to
• 1:31:55
  push it because it's like like that's a daily trainer.
• 1:31:57
  It's like, I think it's like 2 hundred 180 yard euro, like
• 1:32:02
  whenever Romero or just a normal peg is going to be a better
• 1:32:05
  shoe. No, it's stupid.
• 1:32:08
  Like that's the thing. That's.
• 1:32:09
  Why I hate with this social media people trying to say
• 1:32:12
  anything. And that's where, yeah, credit
• 1:32:14
  to these brands. That that bring their false, you
• 1:32:16
  know, bag of tricks down and let you put them on because then you
• 1:32:19
  can really decide if you want to fork out the money.
• 1:32:22
  Like I've got quite a few mates that have more recently got into
• 1:32:26
  running and I've been for a long time advocating.
• 1:32:29
  I'm like, if you want a fun shoe, get a pair of super glass.
• 1:32:33
  Like you won't regret paying the extra 100 bucks.
• 1:32:35
  It's a lot of fun and like they eventually do, but it takes some
• 1:32:39
  convincing. Whereas like if you actually got
• 1:32:41
  to try on these shoes, you'd find the right shoe for you, you
• 1:32:45
  know, within a few. Runs and then you're sort.
• 1:32:47
  Of, you know, that's how you build a relationship with the
• 1:32:50
  brand as a consumer. I think so.
• 1:32:54
  It's funny we speak about this because.
• 1:32:56
  I'm actually in the market for a new pair of shoes given that I'm
• 1:32:59
  actually able to produce a few kilometers now and I was
• 1:33:02
  wondering where to invest my hard earned cash.
• 1:33:06
  I think Super Blast might be the place to go, but given my Nike
• 1:33:10
  fanboy heritage I was also looking at the Vomero Plus.
• 1:33:15
  I'm wondering is the premium on market yet Owen?
• 1:33:21
  I wouldn't, the premium has got the two airbags.
• 1:33:23
  One in the soil and one that like, I think that that's so
• 1:33:25
  very unstable. Apparently.
• 1:33:27
  I think just a traditional Romero, like he's got a nice
• 1:33:29
  heel drop. He'll have your Achilles a lot.
• 1:33:32
  I tried on the Romero Plus and I feel like that's very similar to
• 1:33:36
  my umm, Puma mag Mac Mag Max umm, it's super poppy, so it's
• 1:33:44
  super soft and comfy. It's not like too unstably soft,
• 1:33:48
  but yeah, I put my foot in and I was super impressed.
• 1:33:51
  It felt really good. But if you want to get moving,
• 1:33:53
  it'd be easier to get the Romero because it's more, it's more
• 1:33:58
  stable and yeah, it's just an all around.
• 1:34:00
  I love that you thought stable with a bit of.
• 1:34:03
  Drop and still a little bit Poppy would be the the shoe you
• 1:34:06
  want. OK.
• 1:34:10
  Yeah, potentially. At this stage.
• 1:34:12
  Something to not get me moving as well with how, given that I
• 1:34:16
  need to be sensible for a while, but then I am going to be making
• 1:34:20
  the transition at some point hopefully, so it's not just a
• 1:34:23
  shoe for a couple of weeks. Yeah, so.
• 1:34:26
  Ghosted. I was actually in.
• 1:34:31
  I went to DFO. Yesterday and Adidas was fucking
• 1:34:34
  turned upside down with the sales.
• 1:34:36
  Like shit was everywhere. He couldn't make head nor tail
• 1:34:40
  of it so. Walked out empty handed.
• 1:34:45
  So not worth not. Worth driving out?
• 1:34:47
  There for not right now, although there.
• 1:34:50
  Are there is? A new ASIC shop there, but they
• 1:34:53
  didn't have any of the good range in there with it being
• 1:34:55
  DFO. They're all like Joel Nimbus and
• 1:34:59
  all these mad words which you don't have spoken of in the the
• 1:35:03
  top tier running circles. And there's a new Hawker shop
• 1:35:09
  there I think as well. So there's now Brooks, Adidas,
• 1:35:13
  ASIC and and Hoka Hoka. We just need the Nike to rival
• 1:35:17
  the the Melbourne DFO because that was good.
• 1:35:24
  And what about your running training?
• 1:35:26
  For me, yeah, I'd. Fit the first run I'd done was
• 1:35:29
  on Tuesday at the track with you so just.
• 1:35:33
  It was meant to be 10 minutes, 10 minutes, 5 minutes as a
• 1:35:37
  progression from 8 minutes the week prior.
• 1:35:40
  But if you remember, we were jogging around chatting and and
• 1:35:43
  kind of got mixed up stupidly as to how long we'd actually been
• 1:35:48
  running for. It was because I put my watch on
• 1:35:50
  track mode. So all the settings went right.
• 1:35:54
  I couldn't see my lap time and we got however many laps in.
• 1:35:57
  I was like, shit, how long we've been going for?
• 1:35:59
  It feels like we've at least done the 10 minutes now.
• 1:36:03
  So we stopped anyway, and it wasn't until I got home and
• 1:36:05
  seeing like the actual thing in chorus and we'd done 10 minutes
• 1:36:09
  and 13 minutes. So yeah, but naughty of me,
• 1:36:13
  really. And the hill actually felt OK on
• 1:36:16
  Wednesday. Christmas Day was Thursday, and
• 1:36:19
  on Thursday evening it felt a little bit niggly.
• 1:36:23
  But I think that was because on Christmas Day I walked about 3K
• 1:36:27
  in these shitty pair of sandals like tracing paper.
• 1:36:32
  Thin so. I was quite annoyed with myself
• 1:36:35
  on Thursday evening thinking fuck I hope I'm like taking a
• 1:36:38
  step backwards, but it turned. Around pretty quick.
• 1:36:42
  The thing what was niggling me is this glute, one of my, my
• 1:36:47
  right glute has been absolutely locked door.
• 1:36:49
  And the only way I can describe it is I feel like it's
• 1:36:52
  definitely muscular and I'm not concerned about an injury.
• 1:36:55
  It's just like uncomfortable and I'm conscious not to run because
• 1:36:59
  I don't want to make it a tear. I feel like someone needs to
• 1:37:01
  take an like a hammer and chisel into my glute and just knock it
• 1:37:07
  out just to disperse all this tightness.
• 1:37:10
  So they'd actually jump on the table on Tuesday night at the
• 1:37:13
  track because front runner physio now bring a table down
• 1:37:17
  and there's one of the new guys there on on site to provide
• 1:37:20
  treatment, which is pretty like elite setup really if you think
• 1:37:23
  about it. Wait, wait, so on the.
• 1:37:27
  Tuesday night, they've a. Physio given massages, if you
• 1:37:31
  require treatment you can jump on the.
• 1:37:33
  Table. And yeah, that is crazy.
• 1:37:36
  God. Oh my God, where else would you
• 1:37:39
  get that? Where else would you get that?
• 1:37:41
  Nowhere. Ryan's on.
• 1:37:44
  That table every Tuesday. It's like it's forms perfect and
• 1:37:49
  he's like oh hold on mate, making money.
• 1:37:54
  You got to. Got to capitalize on the.
• 1:37:55
  Opportunity for a massage at any given moment, especially if it's
• 1:37:58
  not from an Asian lady. But yeah, then my glute was
• 1:38:06
  feeling a bit shit all week, so it didn't run.
• 1:38:09
  I should have had three or four runs like the every other day
• 1:38:12
  thing, but I didn't run until today when it felt a bit better.
• 1:38:15
  And it does feel a bit better now.
• 1:38:16
  And the good thing is the heels felt fine the whole time.
• 1:38:20
  So today I'd done 10 minutes, 10 minutes, 5 minutes.
• 1:38:23
  And now I'm at the point where I'm like, OK, I would be keen to
• 1:38:27
  start open this now, but obviously just need to stay
• 1:38:30
  relaxed and patient because allow it to come to me.
• 1:38:35
  Do you have one do? You know them little bands you
• 1:38:38
  put around your knee or your ankles?
• 1:38:41
  Oh yeah. You should be really is.
• 1:38:43
  Doing like them glue. Activations because I'd say
• 1:38:45
  yours haven't been like well fair enough you activate them
• 1:38:48
  when you're cycling but not running wise in a while.
• 1:38:52
  So I feel like you should really be doing them before like your
• 1:38:55
  runs. It takes like 10-15 minutes and
• 1:38:57
  just to get them firing. I think that's I think I've
• 1:39:00
  caused it myself. And well, we can blame Dean
• 1:39:02
  because he dragged me to the gym and then made me put put weights
• 1:39:06
  on the bar. And I think I've done it through
• 1:39:09
  the deadline. It's part of your warm up.
• 1:39:11
  It's. Part of your warm up at the gym
• 1:39:13
  is glute activation. So you should do a series of
• 1:39:17
  glute activation. Some lunges like is it not?
• 1:39:23
  In your program. It might also be genuinely.
• 1:39:27
  Overtraining on the bike, I don't feel it whilst I'm riding,
• 1:39:30
  but I think a lot of your power comes through your glutes,
• 1:39:32
  doesn't it? And this week I've done 390K on
• 1:39:37
  the bike. That's a good.
• 1:39:41
  It's a good. It's a good weight, yeah.
• 1:39:47
  In terms of hours of activity, you're the winner.
• 1:39:52
  Run for the weight 12 something I think.
• 1:39:57
  Oh no, that's just on the bike. Yes, it probably doesn't go up
• 1:40:00
  much. Maybe 13 a Christmas Day I got.
• 1:40:07
  An 800. Meter ocean swimming, we can add
• 1:40:09
  that to it as well. Every little helps.
• 1:40:16
  It's good. So yeah, head down and just
• 1:40:20
  crack on with the goal to be back doing uninterrupted 30
• 1:40:24
  minute plus, hopefully soon trending in the right direction.
• 1:40:30
  I guess that leads us well into a look ahead into 2026.
• 1:40:35
  Well, a look back into 2025 in terms of how the year has been,
• 1:40:39
  what went well, what didn't go so well from a running
• 1:40:42
  perspective or personal, if you like.
• 1:40:44
  And then we can look at some goals for 2026 without
• 1:40:48
  potentially setting ourselves up to fail and committing to
• 1:40:51
  anything time bound on a podcast.
• 1:40:54
  But you can if you. Want who's?
• 1:40:57
  Going to start us off with reflections on 2025.
• 1:41:11
  Yeah, doing well. 2025 Reflections.
• 1:41:18
  I don't know what a bit of a tale of two halves for me.
• 1:41:21
  So first half was good. Ran PVS over 5 and 10K.
• 1:41:27
  Probably should have run APB in the half and didn't, but happy
• 1:41:33
  with the fact that I was able to lift my ceiling.
• 1:41:36
  Like if I rewind a. Couple of years ago.
• 1:41:40
  So 2023 I did I think maybe 4 marathons and a 50K race in that
• 1:41:44
  year and I was getting more and more efficient at the marathon.
• 1:41:47
  But you can only keep doing that so many times before you need to
• 1:41:50
  go back to trying to lift your threshold or lift your ceiling
• 1:41:53
  if you want to run a faster marathon.
• 1:41:55
  And the back end of 2024 and into the first part of 2025,
• 1:41:58
  which is when we all started training together, I was able to
• 1:42:03
  get quicker over 5 and 10K and I think as well at my threshold of
• 1:42:08
  1/2 marathon. So really happy to have done
• 1:42:10
  that. Yeah, happy with a lot of my
• 1:42:15
  year. Had a decent 50K in amongst all
• 1:42:18
  that. And then yeah, was injured.
• 1:42:21
  So dealing with the first major injury that I've had to has been
• 1:42:29
  useful in terms of. Being able to connect with.
• 1:42:31
  Family and not be completely buggered or tired as much.
• 1:42:35
  It's quite pleasant but at the same time would love to be fit
• 1:42:39
  and help fit and doing full training weeks so hoping to get
• 1:42:42
  back to that and very soon. Would you be able to pick a
• 1:42:47
  favorite? Moment of 2025 from a running
• 1:42:50
  perspective, your your best achievement or anything along
• 1:42:53
  those lines. He was just asking if we.
• 1:42:56
  Like a. Best moment for 2025.
• 1:43:01
  I remember so that 5K we did Owen, you know the I ran 1420
• 1:43:09
  there. I think I've run like 1428 like
• 1:43:13
  3 or 4 times over the past maybe four years.
• 1:43:16
  So to finally run a PB at 5K was a highlight like I was.
• 1:43:20
  I was stoked after that race that I've finally cracked a PB
• 1:43:23
  like I've run a a heap of times between 28 and 301428 and 1432.
• 1:43:29
  So to run a PB I was wrapped with and then the bridges I was
• 1:43:34
  wrapped with that as well as this very small PB.
• 1:43:37
  But it was I put in a good block of training sort of after doing
• 1:43:42
  that 5K10K running to get fit for a marathon and that was a
• 1:43:46
  reflection of some very good fitness as well.
• 1:43:48
  So I was happy with that too. That were probably my 2
• 1:43:51
  highlights. And regarding obviously the.
• 1:43:55
  Lobby and like the injury and stuff besides trying not to get
• 1:44:00
  re injured in 2026 any like major learns that you've taken
• 1:44:03
  from the injury. The strength stuff perhaps?
• 1:44:13
  Yeah, that's probably a great chat.
• 1:44:15
  Yeah, that's right. I think, yeah, exactly.
• 1:44:18
  You're not better than me, but I would think, yeah, that I've not
• 1:44:23
  paid as much attention to SNC as what I have now.
• 1:44:27
  And I'm enjoying it and I'm I know I need to keep doing it
• 1:44:33
  more and can keep getting better at it.
• 1:44:35
  So certainly continuing to get. More and more curious.
• 1:44:39
  With strength stuff and incorporating more of it, like
• 1:44:41
  even when I was talking about like glute activations, like
• 1:44:44
  just even there, like I'm doing some hip activations and all
• 1:44:47
  that sort of stuff now that I never used to do.
• 1:44:50
  I just used to not care to do any of it.
• 1:44:52
  Whereas at least I'm now starting to do some of it.
• 1:44:54
  So more of that in 20. 26 for sure.
• 1:45:01
  Right then, Owen, you've. Had an up and down year yourself
• 1:45:04
  but maybe flipped on its head so how does yours stuff up yeah so
• 1:45:10
  it. Wasn't up and down year.
• 1:45:11
  Like started off the whole build for that marigami half was
• 1:45:16
  probably it's probably the best couple of months of my life.
• 1:45:18
  Like what you guys running wise? It was just it was a dream.
• 1:45:22
  We had such a good thing going and then the five KPB like that
• 1:45:26
  night at the track, it was, it was genuine.
• 1:45:28
  It was so good. I was shocked why I ran 1433 as
• 1:45:31
  a big PB for me. So yeah.
• 1:45:35
  And then the going home obviously was a was a big
• 1:45:40
  decision, like a big change. And I was obviously nervous
• 1:45:45
  about the running back home and all because I obviously had the
• 1:45:48
  big group with you guys. So I do a lot of it so long now,
• 1:45:52
  but I'm sort of mixing in with other groups or going from going
• 1:45:56
  on runs with lads now. So I'm getting my the fun of my
• 1:45:59
  feet here. And obviously coming home
• 1:46:02
  injured as well was pretty hard. But I feel like like injury
• 1:46:08
  isn't that like you're going to get injured, It's just how you
• 1:46:11
  how you come back from a like 99% of the time you're going to
• 1:46:14
  come back stronger depending on injury.
• 1:46:16
  But yeah, they're really inevitable.
• 1:46:18
  You just need a obviously consistently is the net
• 1:46:20
  consistency is the name of the game, which like the last couple
• 1:46:25
  of months I've been able to just bank consistently.
• 1:46:27
  Like I think for the last seven months I've been pretty
• 1:46:29
  consistent touch wood. But yeah, and then come home run
• 1:46:35
  nationals was a big goal for me. The 5K and like to be on the
• 1:46:40
  start line were like Andrew from G Day, Brian Fay, like Cormac
• 1:46:46
  Dolphin. It was a bit, it was a sort of a
• 1:46:47
  surreal moment. Like it was such a stacked field
• 1:46:50
  and. Then yeah, Cross.
• 1:46:53
  Was another highlight for me to even though I mess it up with
• 1:46:56
  the Namio, which didn't have my performance and I still feel
• 1:47:01
  like I have closed like I know I am still so so, so far away, but
• 1:47:08
  I have closed the gap a little bit and, and with the shape I'm
• 1:47:13
  in now and like the first two races of 2026 being Valencia 10K
• 1:47:19
  and RMR 5K, they're two really, really big opportunities to take
• 1:47:26
  another bit of time off my PBS. So like that's super exciting,
• 1:47:31
  but like I really it's just trying to stay healthy.
• 1:47:35
  Like as runners, we're running that red line, We're running so
• 1:47:38
  close to that red line. And if you don't do your
• 1:47:42
  activations, if you don't feel enough, if you don't sleep, you
• 1:47:45
  just cross that red line. And yeah, we all know what
• 1:47:48
  happens when we cross the red line.
• 1:47:50
  So yeah, very up and down year. But the moment I'm on the up and
• 1:47:54
  I'm going to try and keep going up.
• 1:47:58
  So yeah. And obviously this doesn't
• 1:48:00
  happen without like friends, family, like my physio, my
• 1:48:04
  coach, like running people think as an individual sport, it's so
• 1:48:08
  not there is a massive team behind anyone.
• 1:48:12
  So yeah, I like at the moment I'm in a super privileged
• 1:48:16
  position where I'm get looked after physio wise.
• 1:48:19
  Like I come home from a run and my girlfriend has like dinner on
• 1:48:22
  the table for me. Like I'm, I'm pampered, I'm
• 1:48:27
  Molly coddled like so. And I feel like I am seeing the
• 1:48:31
  benefits of it. I just need to stick it at it
• 1:48:33
  for another like 2 years and then I might be somewhere like
• 1:48:38
  better obviously. But I am yeah, it's super up and
• 1:48:42
  down here. But hopefully 2026 will be will
• 1:48:45
  be another good one. Very good and from.
• 1:48:51
  The down perspectives in like when you're injured or maybe
• 1:48:56
  when you moved home and you have to change your environment and
• 1:48:58
  adapt to training by yourself and stuff any, any major lens
• 1:49:02
  that you you want to carry through to 2026 besides just
• 1:49:05
  keep doing what you're doing now.
• 1:49:09
  Like the the injury, obviously everyone takes.
• 1:49:12
  Something from an injury, like you get injured for a reason.
• 1:49:15
  So it's up to you to find that reason and just fix it.
• 1:49:20
  And, and getting injured is your body telling you like it's your
• 1:49:26
  body telling you, unless like like Callum Nelson for an for
• 1:49:29
  instance, like he actually got like someone actually sliced his
• 1:49:32
  Achilles in half. So that was really bad luck.
• 1:49:35
  But normally it's your own doing.
• 1:49:37
  Like you push too hard. So it's like finding that
• 1:49:40
  balance. And like, I know it's very
• 1:49:44
  popular for people to just stack big week, big week, big week,
• 1:49:47
  big week, big week. And like their Strava bears are
• 1:49:49
  all high. Whereas for me, I can't do that.
• 1:49:53
  I need a down week every like 3-4 weeks.
• 1:49:55
  So I've learned that. And obviously, like it's handy
• 1:49:58
  when you have a coach with such a personalized approach that,
• 1:50:02
  umm, like he could tell last week that I was going to be a
• 1:50:04
  little bit cooked on the Monday, Tuesday.
• 1:50:06
  So he knew to give me a call and see who I was and then he could
• 1:50:08
  just pull it straight back. Umm, So yeah, you're, you're
• 1:50:14
  like, you learn so much from injuries.
• 1:50:15
  So I know they're shit. And when it happens, you're
• 1:50:18
  like, Oh my God, I'm never going to get back to where I was.
• 1:50:20
  But I guarantee you, you guys, you'll come back stronger than
• 1:50:25
  ever. So it's just like sitting back,
• 1:50:28
  looking at the bigger picture and just moving forward.
• 1:50:34
  OK. Thank you very much for the.
• 1:50:36
  Inspiration very well timed heading into the new year.
• 1:50:41
  And you're definitely starting it on the right foot.
• 1:50:43
  So excited to see what those is armour in January as well as
• 1:50:47
  that in Feb our MAS a month after.
• 1:50:50
  Valencia so our mas like the 12th of February.
• 1:50:58
  Sweet, so exciting starts. 2026 nevertheless, I guess for.
• 1:51:04
  Me. I mean.
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  The main win is. I mean, obviously you can attach
• 1:51:12
  yourself to time goals like the half marathon and stuff, but I
• 1:51:16
  think from that period of six months where we're training so
• 1:51:20
  well and stuff there it was more so like a, you know, when you
• 1:51:24
  have those moments where you get like a, a genuine mindset shift
• 1:51:27
  where you realize like sort of what you are capable of.
• 1:51:31
  And it's not just like of I've ran APB of 10 seconds, 15
• 1:51:34
  seconds. It's more so like, shit, I've
• 1:51:37
  run this PB now, but I now I'm aware of maybe what I can run in
• 1:51:41
  months and years to come. So it's like the change, the
• 1:51:45
  shift in realization there of like just continuing to like be
• 1:51:48
  motivated and the drive to want to get better.
• 1:51:52
  And I guess that's what I'm maybe most proud of, having gone
• 1:51:56
  through six months of shite with the injury, somehow managing to
• 1:52:02
  stay somewhat in the game and staying fit and not putting a
• 1:52:06
  shit load of weight on. Maybe my focus on the rehab
• 1:52:10
  hasn't always been entirely there.
• 1:52:12
  And I could have been 100% focused a little bit more with
• 1:52:15
  doing some strength earlier and a few more of the rehab
• 1:52:20
  exercises. But I think I finally turned the
• 1:52:23
  corner and probably the lens from it would be, I can now.
• 1:52:31
  Once you kind of step out of a situation like say when you're
• 1:52:35
  in high volume training, you're under fatigue and you're like
• 1:52:39
  you're working towards an end goal, which is a race and always
• 1:52:42
  you're thinking about is or in a couple of weeks I've got that
• 1:52:44
  taper. So for now, I'm just like going
• 1:52:47
  to absolutely bury myself from doing every single double.
• 1:52:50
  I'm not missing a session. I'm doing every Rep in the
• 1:52:52
  session. But then now because I'm so far
• 1:52:55
  detached from that, I can think about it more objectively and
• 1:53:00
  I'm going to try and tell myself that like every single double
• 1:53:04
  doesn't need to be done. Like potentially it might be a
• 1:53:08
  worse decision to do the double rather than not to do the
• 1:53:11
  double. And especially through all the
• 1:53:13
  cycling, I'm going to want to try and keep some of that in for
• 1:53:17
  the double S and stuff. So just to be maybe more smarter
• 1:53:21
  with the approach rather than almost getting transactional
• 1:53:24
  with the running and like just looking at the plan, doing what
• 1:53:27
  it says next day, wake up tired, do what it says regardless.
• 1:53:31
  Like just be a bit more self aware in the moment rather than
• 1:53:35
  having the injury to come to you and tell you hey look you should
• 1:53:38
  have realised this a couple of weeks ago and main goal for next
• 1:53:43
  year would just be to stay injury free.
• 1:53:47
  And. Yeah, make sensible.
• 1:53:50
  Decisions, whatever they. May be hopefully I'll be able to
• 1:53:52
  run some PBS and stuff along the way.
• 1:53:54
  But yeah, just don't get carried away being an idiot and forget
• 1:53:57
  about everything I've learned in the past six months.
• 1:54:10
  And any highlights 2025? Highlights would.
• 1:54:14
  Definitely be getting. Involved with the front runner
• 1:54:17
  group and like making so many running friends from it and also
• 1:54:21
  experiencing what it's like to train as part of a group.
• 1:54:24
  And because it sounds weird, I am like still somewhat new to
• 1:54:28
  running. Like before joining front runner
• 1:54:32
  meeting you lot, I'd done almost all of my training by myself and
• 1:54:36
  was perhaps even still figuring it out and understanding what
• 1:54:40
  like actual running training looks like.
• 1:54:43
  So highlight would be just like kind of getting in the deep end
• 1:54:47
  and experiencing it for what it is.
• 1:54:50
  And then obviously like travelling internationally to
• 1:54:52
  Japan and racing. It's like such a cool experience
• 1:54:56
  and it motivates me to want to continue to race overseas or
• 1:55:02
  domestically Interstate. And the answer.
• 1:55:07
  You understand? That's a personal highlight
• 1:55:11
  separate from running. Those details cannot be
• 1:55:16
  revealed. With them?
• 1:55:19
  With your step future stepfather perhaps?
• 1:55:25
  From a poke. I was thinking about from a.
• 1:55:27
  Podcast perspective from easy double those collectively the
• 1:55:30
  winners that were still here, but the winners that we started
• 1:55:34
  and that we're still here it's it's been a whirlwind year like
• 1:55:39
  to think that if we had doing these reflections 12 months ago
• 1:55:44
  the we would have just been doing it in a coffee shop
• 1:55:46
  because this platform wouldn't have existed is kind of bizarre
• 1:55:51
  and then the kind of like wins along the way are the fact that
• 1:55:54
  we've been able to interview such amazing athletes and also
• 1:55:58
  the fact that we've created. Not created but.
• 1:56:02
  We've managed to bring along such a like engaged and
• 1:56:07
  knowledgeable audience. So like, I greatly appreciate
• 1:56:09
  the fact that people are tuning in every week and they're
• 1:56:12
  actually engaging and letting us know their thoughts and
• 1:56:15
  opinions. Like it wouldn't be what it is
• 1:56:17
  without people obviously listening, but also like being
• 1:56:20
  involved as well. You both agree any other wins
• 1:56:34
  for the? Podcast or leave it there.
• 1:56:39
  I think it's still going. Like they went to work that goes
• 1:56:43
  into like get in a time that suits us or like the fact that
• 1:56:48
  it's still going is yeah, it's it's it's pretty, it's pretty
• 1:56:52
  good going. Like there's an 8 hour time
• 1:56:55
  difference between US2. We've seen us straight.
• 1:56:57
  So like, it is a bit of work goes into these recordings, but
• 1:57:02
  the fact that people are listening and like, who would it
• 1:57:06
  take? The people we've interviewed,
• 1:57:07
  like the insight we get into these, like we learned so much
• 1:57:10
  from all these people. So yeah, yeah, it's just super,
• 1:57:13
  super cool. And I guarantee I probably
• 1:57:15
  wouldn't be, I love you guys, but I, I'm not the best to keep
• 1:57:19
  in contact with people. So without this, I don't know if
• 1:57:22
  I'd be talking to you guys still.
• 1:57:24
  So no, no, it's really, really good.
• 1:57:26
  I actually, I look forward to the recordings every time.
• 1:57:29
  So yeah, onwards and upwards for 2026.
• 1:57:34
  Yeah, it can be a bit daunting revealing all.
• 1:57:37
  And like just coming on and maybe if you don't think about
• 1:57:39
  what you're going to say and you, you might potentially speak
• 1:57:42
  about something which like otherwise you wouldn't,
• 1:57:45
  especially on a public platform. But the fact that everyone is so
• 1:57:48
  kind of supportive is nice. And I think also the, the
• 1:57:55
  biggest value that comes from the podcast is like the network
• 1:57:58
  that you create and not only the network that we create for
• 1:58:00
  ourselves, but like listeners are very much a part of that.
• 1:58:04
  So like you can kind of put people in touch with people.
• 1:58:07
  And the fact that someone might be a listener in the UK and
• 1:58:10
  Ireland, like they then can connect because they can relate
• 1:58:13
  to the podcast. Like it's quite bizarre.
• 1:58:16
  And I'm very excited for us to do next year, hopefully.
• 1:58:23
  I think the a win for me has just.
• 1:58:25
  Been getting excited about in and around athletics and
• 1:58:29
  following it a bit more closely. Like I was a little bit, I could
• 1:58:34
  follow Aussie athletics but I didn't follow Irish and UK
• 1:58:37
  Athletics as much and even the American scene.
• 1:58:39
  Like just connecting the dots because we need to come on here
• 1:58:42
  and share a view on who we think is going to do what.
• 1:58:47
  Like, I think a highlight was some of the what following the
• 1:58:52
  Tokyo World Championships and following a lot of those races,
• 1:58:56
  some financial highlights as well as just, you know,
• 1:58:59
  memorable highlights with some of those finals and those
• 1:59:03
  results. It was just made a lot of fun
• 1:59:06
  and even like. Commenting on these.
• 1:59:08
  Predictions and what's you know, what's happened and, and being
• 1:59:11
  across it and being allowed to share a view on it with people
• 1:59:15
  has been a lot of fun. Yeah, to your point there,
• 1:59:20
  there's I've heard. Many a time since that, no one
• 1:59:23
  tipped Jimmy Grassier, but inside the Easy Double community
• 1:59:29
  would suggest otherwise. But we'll, we'll leave it there.
• 1:59:36
  Losses. It's important to acknowledge
• 1:59:39
  where you made mistakes and where you went wrong.
• 1:59:41
  I think the clubhouse didn't go as I hoped.
• 1:59:45
  Well, I mean, it did at first. We had great engagement and and
• 1:59:48
  stuff and the world champs kind of fueled that and everyone was
• 1:59:51
  fired up. But then naturally, like the
• 1:59:57
  enthusiasm just wasn't there anymore.
• 2:00:00
  So you got to say it how it is and pull the plug on these
• 2:00:03
  things. But hopefully we can we can turn
• 2:00:07
  that into something more beneficial for listeners in the
• 2:00:09
  future. Where?
• 2:00:11
  Where there is appetite, because I'm sure there is, and the
• 2:00:15
  engagement that we get. Through the episodes and.
• 2:00:17
  Stuff we want to kind of build around that.
• 2:00:19
  So yeah, Clubhouse. Unfortunately you were left in
• 2:00:23
  2025, but we tried. That's what matters.
• 2:00:28
  God loves. To try to win some, to lose
• 2:00:30
  some. We.
• 2:00:33
  Have to lose some to win some, hopefully.
• 2:00:35
  Yeah. Yeah, it's still thinking about
• 2:00:39
  yesterday. I don't win very often, does
• 2:00:50
  anyone want to? Close out on a bloody negative
• 2:00:53
  of a Double Trouble or are we ending on a high?
• 2:00:56
  What do you think we should end? On a high, we've had a lot of
• 2:01:02
  double troubles this year. Sounds good and.
• 2:01:05
  If you're lacking motivation going into 2026, just remember
• 2:01:08
  that million, $10 million reel. If what we spoke about last week
• 2:01:15
  you'll you'll get fired though, Say it again.
• 2:01:19
  Ryan for everyone. So if I gave you. $10 million
• 2:01:23
  right now would. You take it.
• 2:01:28
  I think I would. Not again.
• 2:01:30
  All right. It's it's.
• 2:01:31
  Been a good episode. We'll leave it there.
• 2:01:38
  Thanks everyone so much for this.
• 2:01:39
  Year, happy new year. Wish you all state injury free
• 2:01:44
  and run lots of PBS in 2026 and we'll see you on the other side.
• 2:01:50
  See you guys. Happy New Year.