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Credlin | 28 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendland live on sky Ingins Australia. Good evening, We're
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Speaker 1: going to Credline. Peter returns on Monday next week and
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Speaker 1: I'll be with you at six o'clock tomorrow night for
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Speaker 1: our normal Friday show. Here's what's coming up on Credline tonight.
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Speaker 1: We will take you back to the scene of that
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Speaker 1: horrendous double homicide in Paul Punker. Searchers continue for the gunman,
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Speaker 1: Desi Freeman, as more disturbing details emerge around why the
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Speaker 1: police actually wanted to talk to him in the first place,
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Speaker 1: embarrassment for Australia's Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister Richard
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Speaker 1: Miles when the Pentagon reveals pictures of a meeting between
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Speaker 1: Miles and US counterpart Pete Hesketh, they don't actually tell
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Speaker 1: the full story. And as migration numbers continue to explode
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Speaker 1: off the back of federal government policies, residents in Melbourne's
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Speaker 1: North pay the price. A second giant residential development of
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Speaker 1: thirteen hectares, one three hundred and sixty houses and eighty
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Speaker 1: eight hundred people is approved in Riddle's Creek despite the
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Speaker 1: council objections. The mayoral join us in the studio, Plus
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Speaker 1: Jim Chalmers is coming after wealthy elderly Australians in his
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Speaker 1: intergenerational bid to help his budget bottom line. Is a
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Speaker 1: wealth tech tax up next we'll find out. But first
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Speaker 1: I think it's time as a country to pause and
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Speaker 1: revisit our gun laws in the wake of the unfolding
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Speaker 1: manhunt in Northeast Victoria and reports that fugitive Desi Freeman
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Speaker 1: may be armed with a cachet of high powered weapons. Now,
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Speaker 1: critics will say criminals and deranged so called sovereign citizens
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Speaker 1: will always find a way to arm themselves, but there
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Speaker 1: are a myriad of laws, rules and regulations that can
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Speaker 1: actually stop this. Ever since the mass shooting at Port
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Speaker 1: Arthur that tragically saw thirty five people killed, Australia has
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Speaker 1: been lauded as having some of the toughest gun laws
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Speaker 1: in the world, thanks largely to the bravery and leadership
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Speaker 1: of then Prime Minister John Howard. Oh how we wish
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Speaker 1: that sort of political leadership was there today, But that
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Speaker 1: is another story. It seems to me that post COVID
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Speaker 1: we have again seen a rise in gun crime. It
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Speaker 1: seems every second day someone in Sydney is shot at
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Speaker 1: or killed or wounded shot with I am presuming an illegal,
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Speaker 1: unlicensed firearm. Look, there's not much we can do about
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Speaker 1: organized crime and guns. But it has been reported that
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Speaker 1: one reason police wanted to talk to Freeman was to
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Speaker 1: cancel his shooter's license. But it still begs the question
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Speaker 1: if he has high powered rifles, where did he get
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Speaker 1: them from. It seems he fancied himself with some sort
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Speaker 1: of hunter shooting and butchering venison. But if there are
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Speaker 1: loopholes appearing in the so called tough gun laws, then
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Speaker 1: they need to be closed and closed quickly. Now. Just
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Speaker 1: this week, Walter Mikhak, who tragically lost his wife Nannette
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Speaker 1: and his two young daughters, Alana and Madeleine, gunned down
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Speaker 1: in a bloody frenzy by Martin Bryant, was forced to
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Speaker 1: enter the campaign against gun lobbying who are pushing for
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Speaker 1: new hunting laws in New South Wales. In short, the
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Speaker 1: New South Wales government and the Shooters Party, with support
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Speaker 1: from the Men's Government, have passed laws that will enshrine
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Speaker 1: the right the right to hunt, laws ostensibly to cull
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Speaker 1: feral animals on crown land and in national parks. I
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Speaker 1: don't have a problem with that, I do have a
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Speaker 1: problem with a law saying you've got a right to hunt. Now,
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Speaker 1: Walter describes the new laws like having the gun laws
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Speaker 1: as a statue and having its arms cut off. Now,
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Speaker 1: if anyone should be listened to, it's Walter Mickap if
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Speaker 1: you need any proof that we never want to end
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Speaker 1: up like the United States, which as we know, as
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Speaker 1: a wash with weapons. Just this morning in Minneapolis, two
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Speaker 1: young children, one aged eight, one age ten were shot
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Speaker 1: dead and another seventeen were injured when a shooter open
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Speaker 1: fire on a school prayer session. Here are some of
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Speaker 1: the reactions after that disgrace.
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Speaker 2: It was the first we of school. They were in
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Speaker 2: a church. These are kids that should be learning with
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Speaker 2: their friends. They should be playing on the playground. They
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Speaker 2: should be able to go to school or a church
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Speaker 2: in peace without the fear or risk of violence, and
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Speaker 2: their parents should have the same kind of assurance.
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Speaker 1: Look, we don't want that here, and we don't want
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Speaker 1: a country or wash with weapons. We just simply don't.
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Speaker 1: We don't want de range conspiracy theorists armed with high
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Speaker 1: powered rifles either. How now is as good a time
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Speaker 1: as any in my view, for a full review, even
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Speaker 1: Today the Federal Parliament threw leaders from both sides of politics.
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Speaker 1: They paid their tribute to the fallen police shot dead
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Speaker 1: at Poor Punker.
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Speaker 3: As a parliament, as a country, we offer our deepest
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Speaker 3: condolences to all whose worlds are being shattered by this
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Speaker 3: horrific shooting. Our hearts go out to everyone whose heart
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Speaker 3: is breaking.
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Speaker 4: All Australians stand shoulder to shoulder the Victoria Police at
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Speaker 4: this moment of profound sadness.
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Speaker 5: Alongside my community in Northeast Victoria. I'm mourn Detective Leading
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Speaker 5: Senior Constable Neil Thompson and Senior Constable Vadiam Devat who
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Speaker 5: so tragically lost their lives in the line of duty
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Speaker 5: at Paul Punker on Tuesday.
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Speaker 1: Now, this emergency, this deadly execution, delivers only sadness, and
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Speaker 1: for locals that delivers fear. But if one decent thing
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Speaker 1: can come from it, a full review of our gun
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Speaker 1: laws as they are today would be it, especially when
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Speaker 1: you consider, and you hope Albow and Susan Lee are listening,
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Speaker 1: the promise of a national firearms register promised after an
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Speaker 1: early eerily similar police shooting in Queensland in twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 1: and all the way back to Port Arthur in nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety six. That National Gun Register has never been delivered
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Speaker 1: and it's now way off in the distance in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty eight. Why the hell are we waiting till twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty eight to do it. It's meant to track in
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Speaker 1: real time registered firearms and their owners across state lines.
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Speaker 1: Hopefully it won't take more police deaths to actually finally
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Speaker 1: make it happen. Spinger Campbell, let's go there now for
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Speaker 1: tonight's political headlines with Sky New senior political reporter Trudy Macintosh.
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Speaker 6: Time is running out for Iran's expelled ambassador to leave
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Speaker 6: the country armed Sadiki waving to the media outside his
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Speaker 6: residence in Canberra.
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Speaker 1: I love us is ambassador.
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Speaker 7: Do you think the Prime Minister has gotten is wrong?
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Speaker 1: Help done it?
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Speaker 6: Earlier this week, Asio revealed Iran's military wing, the IRGC,
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Speaker 6: had directed at least two anti Semitic attacks in Australia.
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Speaker 6: Australian cricketer osmun Kawaja has told Anthony Alberaneesi to show
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Speaker 6: courage and sanction Israel's Prime minister.
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Speaker 7: Now time the action now fits their etric.
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Speaker 6: The cricket star in Parliament to lobby MPs, including the
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister. On Thursday morning, it seemed the meeting was off.
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Speaker 8: I'm going to be honest, I was a little bit
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Speaker 8: bummed by it.
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Speaker 6: But after that press conference had a meeting in Prime
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Speaker 6: Minister able to deliver his message directly.
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Speaker 7: I think Australia has a chance to be a leader,
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Speaker 7: a weird power and influence as well.
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Speaker 6: The talks back on thanks to some help from the Treasurer.
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Speaker 8: Someone I've got a great deal of respect for.
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Speaker 1: He is a friend of mine. Grateful to the PM
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Speaker 1: for making time for is.
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Speaker 6: He Also today, former Labour Senator Fatima Payman has labeled
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Speaker 6: the Prime Minister a bully amid a fight about staffing allocations.
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Speaker 6: She accused Anthony Albanezi of refusing to provide her with
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Speaker 6: enough staff to scrutinize key legislation.
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Speaker 9: I am a young Australian Muslim woman of color.
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Speaker 6: I've been bullied out of Afghanistan.
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Speaker 7: I will not be bullied.
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Speaker 6: By this man. The Prime Minister's office declined to comment.
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Speaker 6: Trudy McIntosh Sky News Canbra got on you.
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Speaker 1: Trudy. Thank you very much for that. Now to break
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Speaker 1: in news, let's go to poor Punker in Victoria's highlands. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: as I mentioned at the beginning of the program, that
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Speaker 1: man hunt for Desi Freeman continues. Our reporter on the spot,
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Speaker 1: Harry Clark, joins us, Now, Harriet's getting dark again. We're
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Speaker 1: going into the third night. The police this afternoon at
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Speaker 1: that media conference said, look, we're on track, We've got
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Speaker 1: the right resources in the right places, but no one
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Speaker 1: has seen Freeman since he shot dead those two police.
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Speaker 4: That's right, we are now. It's good evening, Steve, going
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Speaker 4: well over fifty hours since this horrific prime unfolded on
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Speaker 4: Tuesday morning, and still police are looking. They're throwing all
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Speaker 4: of their resources at it. There's been no sign, from
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Speaker 4: what they say, of fifty six year old Desi Freeman,
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Speaker 4: this self proclaimed sovereign citizen who allegedly gunned down two officers.
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Speaker 4: But the search continues, all in the same vicinity, a
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Speaker 4: fairly small area with relation to the broader alpine region
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Speaker 4: where we are in northeastern Victoria. They say that they're
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Speaker 4: not going to stop until they find him, and the
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Speaker 4: search continues.
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Speaker 1: Harriet's says, I'm starting to rain again, so it'll be
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Speaker 1: another cold, wet night. I mean, a couple of houses
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Speaker 1: that appears have been surrounded at various stages. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if police actually went into them, but they must
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Speaker 1: have had some sort of intel. Maybe he was hold
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Speaker 1: up in an abandoned property or a property that's not
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Speaker 1: used regularly, if they said anything about that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, to your first point, Steve, the weather is
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Speaker 4: very ordinary. It's to tearing. I've just seen a huge
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Speaker 4: bolt of lightning come down over to the south of
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Speaker 4: where I'm standing at now. The icy winds continue and
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Speaker 4: the rain is still pretty consistent. Police say that is
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Speaker 4: not interrupting their search efforts, but no doubt it's making
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Speaker 4: things a little harder. And you're right, they are continuing
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Speaker 4: to scour different areas of this bushland around the foothills
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Speaker 4: of Mount Buffalo in the Alpine region. They haven't told
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Speaker 4: us in a great level of detail. They're a strategy
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Speaker 4: of it. They're conscious that this man, Desi Freedman, could
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Speaker 4: be monitoring the media in some capacity, so they're being
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Speaker 4: a bit tight lipped on exactly how they're going from
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Speaker 4: spot to spot and trying to flush this man out
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Speaker 4: or try and locate him. At the very least, we're
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Speaker 4: seeing choppers be deployed and flurries of activity at this
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Speaker 4: staging area behind me. As they go out and look
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Speaker 4: for a new location, they are dropping or are delivering
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Speaker 4: what appears to be flashbang sort of grenades of sorts.
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Speaker 4: Whether that's to try and neutralize explosive potentially planted there
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Speaker 4: by this man, or whether they are have some clues
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Speaker 4: on American years, that just remains unclear, and they're not
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Speaker 4: elaborating on that in too much detailed. They just reiterate
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Speaker 4: the fact that these are really tough conditions. This is
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Speaker 4: really densely wooded bushland around Mount Buffalo, and the conditions
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Speaker 4: are certainly not favorable.
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Speaker 1: Just finally, Harry, I'll let you get out of the room.
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Speaker 1: But the police have also said, for our non Victorian audience,
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Speaker 1: for is a staging pace a point to go through
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Speaker 1: to the ski resorts of Falls Creek and Mount Hotham.
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Speaker 1: Police have actually said, if you don't desperately want to
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Speaker 1: go there this weekend, don't and if you can avoid
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Speaker 1: poor punk or do it, that's right.
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Speaker 4: The message to the public remains the same. The people
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Speaker 4: in this community are in a bit of a holding pattern.
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Speaker 4: We're entering our third night of this major manhunt in
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Speaker 4: the vicinity, and it is all centered around this Poor
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Speaker 4: Punker area. They say to remain indoors, don't head out
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Speaker 4: if you don't have to, and if you do come
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Speaker 4: across or spot the standard of contact authorities immediately and
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Speaker 4: do not approach him. And as you say, for those
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Speaker 4: people are considering it, get away a weekend on the
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Speaker 4: ski slopes here and this weekend to change plans if
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Speaker 4: you can. And if you do come, don't come through
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Speaker 4: Poor Punker. They say. There are plenty of ways that
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Speaker 4: you can take any plenty of routes to get to
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Speaker 4: the slopes, but this is not an area to be
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Speaker 4: lingering while this man hunt continues.
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Speaker 1: Go and get warm, Harry, come back to us if
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Speaker 1: there are any developments. Well, we're on air. That's our reporter,
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Speaker 1: Harry Clark on the ground in the rain and the cold,
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Speaker 1: third night, searching for that gunman. Let's hope the police
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Speaker 1: is successful. Shortly springing our panel tonight, sky On News
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Speaker 1: contributor Caroly Katsumbanas and Day Telegraph reporter James Willis on
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Speaker 1: that man hunt. Desi Freeman, he said to be one
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Speaker 1: of these sovereign citizens belongs to this movement. The movement
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Speaker 1: itself can be traced back, I think to the US
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Speaker 1: Surprise Surprise in the nineteen nineties. But cararely I mean
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Speaker 1: post COVID and Melbourne was locked down more than any
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Speaker 1: other city in the world. It seems that anti vaxes
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Speaker 1: and the group of people who were cranky about being
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Speaker 1: told they had to stay at home by a politician,
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Speaker 1: it has managed to recruit a whole lot more people.
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Speaker 10: Look, it has as you say, these people have always
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Speaker 10: lived on the fringe of society. It doesn't matter whether
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Speaker 10: they're far left wing or far right wing. They hold
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Speaker 10: their views essentially they believe that, you know, they're above
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Speaker 10: the law. They've got no respect for the law, for
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Speaker 10: the courts, for police or whatever it might be. You know,
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Speaker 10: you pointed out that, you know, three years ago we
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Speaker 10: had Weam Biela where you know, two police officers were
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Speaker 10: gunned down and a good Samaritan as well. Now we've
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Speaker 10: got Poorpunker. It's important to also, you know, I just
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Speaker 10: think with all the social media and all that COVID
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Speaker 10: nineteen it's given rise to this because these people are
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Speaker 10: in an echo chamber. I mean, historically in Western Australia
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Speaker 10: there was Hut River Province. There was the self style monarch,
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Speaker 10: Prince Leonard Cassilely, who you know, wanted to seceed from
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Speaker 10: the Commonwealth in nineteen seventy over wheat quotas well. Fifty
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Speaker 10: years later in twenty twenty, the Commonwealth and the ATO
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Speaker 10: caught up with him, whacked a three hundred million dollar
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Speaker 10: fine on him and that was the end of that.
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Speaker 10: But that was like a tourist attraction. People would go there.
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Speaker 10: He had his own passports, his own stamps even so,
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Speaker 10: he had a letter from Queen Elizabeth I. But he
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Speaker 10: was harmless. He was eccentric. They've always been eccentric people
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Speaker 10: in the world. But as you say, this Desi Freeman
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Speaker 10: and others, you know, Stacey Nathan, Nathan Train that have
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Speaker 10: done these horrific massacres to especially police and to everyone,
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Speaker 10: they've been allowed to sort of fly under the radar.
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Speaker 10: And you know, we're hearing more and more that people
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Speaker 10: say that they knew that this Desi Freeman was a
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Speaker 10: little bit strange and on the fringe. But then what
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Speaker 10: does one do about it? Essentially, we've you know, we've
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Speaker 10: got this alleged gunman that has overpowered ten officers and
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Speaker 10: no one knows where he is, and you know, they've
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Speaker 10: got to be stopped and maybe the courts he's been.
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Speaker 10: He was in court before and as you say, they
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Speaker 10: were allegedly there to serve papers to you know, retract
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Speaker 10: his firearms license and I think alleged historical child sex
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Speaker 10: offenses as well. But it's a dreadful, dreadful situation and
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Speaker 10: I think that yeah, people are just there are a
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Speaker 10: lot of disenfranchised people.
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Speaker 1: James, I mentioned gun laws. I was at Port Arthur
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Speaker 1: the day after Martin Bryan unleash. I actually saw the
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Speaker 1: tragedy of where Walter Mickax wife and the net and
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Speaker 1: his two daughters, Madeline Nalana were actually killed. The debate
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Speaker 1: in New South Wales through the Shooters Party and now
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Speaker 1: I think it's gone through the legislation with the support
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Speaker 1: of the Men's government. They're trying to legislate the right
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Speaker 1: for you to go hunting. How's that gone down in
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Speaker 1: New South Wales.
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Speaker 7: Well, it's a tricky one, Steve, because it's one of
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Speaker 7: those policies that has sort of crept its way through
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Speaker 7: Parliament and there's been some discussions from both sides. But
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Speaker 7: funnily enough, I was talking to an MP in Parliament
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Speaker 7: that had concerns about the idea of hunting occurring in
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Speaker 7: national parks. While sorry, you know, if you're just going
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Speaker 7: through a national park, we're going on a bushwalker and
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Speaker 7: you're on a scout camp or something like that, and
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Speaker 7: all of a sudden there's live hunting going on. I
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Speaker 7: mean that kind of thing is concerning. There's obviously a
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Speaker 7: wider issue here about feral pests, and to be honest,
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Speaker 7: it's not an issue that I've really sort of taken
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Speaker 7: a lot of interest in New South Wales and there
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Speaker 7: hasn't been that much media coverage on it. In saying that,
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Speaker 7: I think the wider issue here not only the National
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Speaker 7: Gun Registrar, which is recommended after Port Arthur. I might
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Speaker 7: add Steve, and it won't be now out as you've
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Speaker 7: outlined at the top of the show until twenty twenty eight.
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Speaker 7: But Caraly's right, these issues with sovereign citizens are starting
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Speaker 7: and being bred and feeding through social media. That is
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Speaker 7: the one big issue with this problem. We don't have
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Speaker 7: its remain through media. They're not reading this stuff in newspapers.
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Speaker 7: There's people talking and sharing misinformation and it just starts
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Speaker 7: a spark and it's all happening on Facebook largely, but
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Speaker 7: also on Instagram and other platforms, and the social media
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Speaker 7: companies have got to crack down on that, and the
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Speaker 7: authorities need to start looking at those platforms to identify
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Speaker 7: when people are describing or taking pride in the sovereign
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Speaker 7: citizen movement.
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Speaker 1: You two, unlike me, are a long way away from retirement.
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Speaker 1: I read a great piece in this drain and by
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Speaker 1: Jews Sloan today and she believes that Jim Chalmers, the Treasurer,
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Speaker 1: is not going to rain in guvernment spending is targeting
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Speaker 1: older Australians with more taxes. She points out quote that
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Speaker 1: when it comes to superannuation, most of the accumulated wealth
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Speaker 1: is a result of forced savings. But they're now going
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Speaker 1: to be targeted older Australians. I mean currently, this is
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Speaker 1: it seems the only way that this government's going to go.
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Speaker 1: They know that older Australians largely don't vote labor and
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Speaker 1: so they're going to attack retirees who've got nest eggs
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Speaker 1: or investment properties.
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Speaker 10: And it is so wrong. I mean, you know, so
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Speaker 10: we hear about you know, the Bank of Mum and Dad.
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Speaker 10: I mean these older Australians. They've paid taxes throughout their
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Speaker 10: whole life. They haven't been on welfare. They're not sucking
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Speaker 10: on the tea, they're not in that thing. They have
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Speaker 10: been self sufficient. They're doing their thing. The intergenerational transfer
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Speaker 10: of wealth. Unfortunately, some people in life are going to
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Speaker 10: benefit and some people aren't. But you can't surely penalize
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Speaker 10: these people thirty or forty years ago. People save up
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Speaker 10: the deposit. I know, it's more difficult now now they
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Speaker 10: got their property, they live within their means, they didn't
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Speaker 10: borrow on the credit. But you can't keep whacking older Australians,
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Speaker 10: you know, self funded retirees. They're always saying that there's
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Speaker 10: nothing in the budget for them. It's not fair. The
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Speaker 10: thing is they need to cut the government spending. The
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Speaker 10: taxing is just getting absolutely ridiculous and it's not fair
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Speaker 10: at all.
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Speaker 1: James, it looks like they're going to go after older Australians,
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Speaker 1: doesn't it.
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Speaker 7: Well, there's no doubt about that. And the other thing
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Speaker 7: is that the issue and the risk around these policy
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Speaker 7: steves that Labor would believe, and rightly so, that they
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Speaker 7: have such a large mandate now that even if they
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Speaker 7: introduce radical policies that would previously be election disasters. They
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Speaker 7: could probably hold on and serve out a couple of
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Speaker 7: other terms anyway, And the superannuation one is top of mind,
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Speaker 7: but there's been much wider discussions. The other issue is,
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Speaker 7: let's face it, young people are right now and label
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Speaker 7: you know is overwhelmingly dominating young people gen Z two
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Speaker 7: party preferred. I think it's about sixty five, if not
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Speaker 7: seventy percent. And the amount of freebies that are available
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Speaker 7: now when you talk about twenty percent off your help,
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Speaker 7: when you talk about growing job seeker, we've got a
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Speaker 7: million Australians on Youth Allowance and also Job Seeker and
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Speaker 7: all the other government benefits that are on offer more
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Speaker 7: than ever before. Then you know this free ride is
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Speaker 7: working and labor would just be thinking they can hold
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Speaker 7: onto those voters and punish those who sadly can't work
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Speaker 7: for decades to make up for any new taxes. And
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Speaker 7: that is the real shame of this policy. But the spending,
19:29
Speaker 7: and Carell's right on that the spending must stop. It's
19:31
Speaker 7: out of control. The NDIS is still out of control,
19:35
Speaker 7: and the size and the spending from government through the
19:37
Speaker 7: bureaucracy just needs to be scaled back, otherwise we're not
19:40
Speaker 7: going to have any money left.
19:43
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, James will said, caroly Well said, thank
19:46
Speaker 1: you both. I'll talk to you, Peter will Bbach, you'll
19:48
Speaker 1: talk to you next week at the same time. Coming
19:51
Speaker 1: up after the break more on the deepening concerns about
19:53
Speaker 1: the softening of Australia's gun reforms, plus more on the
19:57
Speaker 1: fallout from the decision to expel the Uranian ambassador from Australia.
20:06
Speaker 1: Welcome back to de price with you. As I said,
20:08
Speaker 1: credit will be back with you on Monday. I'll turn
20:11
Speaker 1: my attention to international affairs and what's the latest on
20:14
Speaker 1: this situation with Iram in just a moment. But as
20:17
Speaker 1: I pointed out a motor toil at the top of
20:18
Speaker 1: the program. There are increasing concerns about the loosening of
20:22
Speaker 1: gun reforms across the country, mainly around New South Wales
20:25
Speaker 1: where they're going to legislate to make it a right
20:28
Speaker 1: to hunt now. The National Firearms Register was promised after
20:33
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two William bill A police killings, and
20:36
Speaker 1: it was also promised after Port Arthur in ninety six.
20:39
Speaker 1: It's not going to be operational until twenty twenty eight. Now,
20:44
Speaker 1: why would it take until twenty twenty eight to get
20:47
Speaker 1: something like that up and running. It's designed to show
20:50
Speaker 1: that if someone's got a gun license and a weapon,
20:53
Speaker 1: and they moved from say New South Wales to Queensland
20:56
Speaker 1: or to Victoria, then you know where they are now.
20:59
Speaker 1: The gun lobby obviously wants hunting laws in New South
21:02
Speaker 1: Wales loosened. They want to be able to use weapons
21:04
Speaker 1: in national parks, mainly to get rid of feral animals.
21:08
Speaker 1: Joining me now is Stephen Bendel. He is the senior
21:11
Speaker 1: advisor for the Alana and Madeline Foundation, who do magnificent work.
21:16
Speaker 1: It was established after tragically Walter Mikak lost his wife
21:20
Speaker 1: and Nnette, and his two children, Alana and Madeleine. He
21:23
Speaker 1: joins us on the line. Well, I mean, John Howard
21:27
Speaker 1: obviously led the reforms, great leadership, But Steven, it's almost
21:33
Speaker 1: as if we've gone back the other way now and
21:35
Speaker 1: they're starting to soften gun laws. Are you worried about that?
21:39
Speaker 11: Yeah, we are worried, Steve, and good evening. I think
21:43
Speaker 11: we've never really seen a stronger gun lobby. They're well organized,
21:49
Speaker 11: well funded, pretty influential and they see this whole thing
21:53
Speaker 11: as a bit of a fight for their guns, where
21:56
Speaker 11: the rest of us are really only worried about public safety.
22:00
Speaker 11: And we have a remarkable situation that in Western Australia
22:04
Speaker 11: right now there are some significant gun reforms that are
22:07
Speaker 11: entirely focused on improving public safety over there, where they've
22:11
Speaker 11: got things such as caps on the number of firearms
22:15
Speaker 11: someone can own. They've strengthened their physical and mental health
22:18
Speaker 11: checks before you can get a firearms license, and a
22:22
Speaker 11: range of other initiatives which are really leading the rest
22:26
Speaker 11: of Australia. And we have a remarkable situation that, as
22:29
Speaker 11: you've been discussing in New South Wales, there is a
22:34
Speaker 11: new bill before Parliament that's taking up everyone's time and effort,
22:39
Speaker 11: and it's an audacious grab to promote hunting in all
22:44
Speaker 11: sorts of public areas, plus breaking a real anathema we
22:50
Speaker 11: have in our gun law framework where the use and
22:53
Speaker 11: possession of a firearm is a privilege entirely conditional on
22:56
Speaker 11: public safety, and yet they're trying to legislate right to hunt.
23:01
Speaker 11: No one in Australia has a right to use a firearm.
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Speaker 1: I mean people have short memories. I can go back
23:09
Speaker 1: to nineteen ninety six. I went to Port Arthur the
23:12
Speaker 1: day after Martin Bryant caused all that deadly mayhem. I actually,
23:17
Speaker 1: and I can never forget it, saw where Nanette and
23:21
Speaker 1: Madeline and Alana were shot. John Howard then stepped in
23:26
Speaker 1: and he said, right, enough's enough. We're going to get
23:28
Speaker 1: rid of automatic semi automatic weapons. We have a gun amnesty.
23:32
Speaker 1: You'll be able to hand your guns in. He stood
23:35
Speaker 1: up with a bulletproof vest on and addressed farmers in
23:38
Speaker 1: front of him who did not want this to happen.
23:40
Speaker 1: And we ended up with some pretty tough gun laws.
23:43
Speaker 1: But we're at the point now where I don't understand
23:46
Speaker 1: why this National Gun Register is such a hard thing
23:49
Speaker 1: to implement. Why is it.
23:52
Speaker 11: Well, the gun registered another issue. As you say, it's
23:55
Speaker 11: never been implemented. I must say I'm not the tech
24:00
Speaker 11: expert as to why would take so long. But I
24:03
Speaker 11: do understand that we have eight entirely separate gun registries
24:09
Speaker 11: in Australia at the moment, plus the Federal Police, plus
24:13
Speaker 11: the Institute of Criminology, plus existing databases on firearms. We
24:18
Speaker 11: have some jurisdictions in Australia that still manage their firearm
24:23
Speaker 11: registries with pen and paper, so to try and get
24:27
Speaker 11: all that together because the gun registry is only ever
24:31
Speaker 11: going to be as good as its worst data entry,
24:35
Speaker 11: and so that I think is really the challenge. We are.
24:40
Speaker 11: The Foundation is being consulted by the Attorney General or
24:45
Speaker 11: now the Home Affairs Department on the progress and we
24:50
Speaker 11: think that most jurisdictions are uplifting the resources to address
24:58
Speaker 11: the upgrades that they need. But certainly I would hope
25:03
Speaker 11: that every effort's undertaken to get that done as soon
25:06
Speaker 11: as possible.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tragic that it takes another killing luck we've
25:11
Speaker 1: seen in poorl Punker to get this back on the
25:13
Speaker 1: national agenda. Stephen, good luck with it all. Thank you.
25:16
Speaker 1: Anytime you need to help, just sing out to us
25:18
Speaker 1: and we'll certainly sort that out. Joining me now, Policy
25:21
Speaker 1: Analyst and Director of Special Projects for the Australia Israel
25:25
Speaker 1: and Jewish Affairs Council, Doctor Bren Karliel, Doctor Carlier, Welcome.
25:30
Speaker 1: I'm guessing the revelations this week didn't come as a
25:32
Speaker 1: surprise to you about what the Iranians have been up to.
25:35
Speaker 12: No, no, I didn't Iranians, for many, many years have
25:38
Speaker 12: sent operatives from the AIGC two countries around the world
25:42
Speaker 12: to recruit local criminal either individuals or networks in order
25:46
Speaker 12: to carry out surveillance or intimidation, or attacks or even
25:50
Speaker 12: drug trafficking. So what happened in Sydney and then in
25:53
Speaker 12: Melbourne really fits the murders.
25:55
Speaker 1: Operande of Iran. Why Australia, I mean that they obviously
26:00
Speaker 1: could target much larger populations, more influential countries than us.
26:04
Speaker 1: Why do you think they thought Australia might be a
26:06
Speaker 1: good place to do this?
26:07
Speaker 12: Well, we're not a main player, but Iran as opportunistic.
26:10
Speaker 12: What we've seen over the past five or so years
26:12
Speaker 12: is they have dramatically increased the number of plots that
26:16
Speaker 12: they have undertaken in numerous countries. We've seen in Cyprus,
26:20
Speaker 12: in Turkey, US, Bulgaria and now Australian just the last
26:24
Speaker 12: five years. These are uncovered plots where Iran has done
26:27
Speaker 12: exactly this.
26:28
Speaker 1: They've cultivated locals.
26:30
Speaker 12: The opportunity in Australia is that what we've seen is
26:33
Speaker 12: since October seven, social cohesion in this country has been
26:36
Speaker 12: under great tension. We've seen the anti Israel mobs every Sunday,
26:41
Speaker 12: not only marching and intimidated in any Jewish Australians or
26:46
Speaker 12: pro visual people in their vicinity, but that constantly pushed
26:49
Speaker 12: in the envelope. And unfortunately, what we've seen is that
26:51
Speaker 12: the police and the security forces in our country haven't
26:54
Speaker 12: really pushed back, which has encouraged that mob to constantly
26:57
Speaker 12: push the envelope. At the same time, we've seen our
26:59
Speaker 12: government since shortly after October seven, distance.
27:03
Speaker 1: Itself from Israel more and more and more.
27:05
Speaker 12: And so in this mix, Iran saw an opportunity. It
27:07
Speaker 12: saw that it could intimidate the local Jewish community and
27:11
Speaker 12: increase that tension to social cohesion, and it did so,
27:15
Speaker 12: so it didn't cause the tension it if you like,
27:20
Speaker 12: if you excuse me any yeah, poored Petrolino a fire
27:23
Speaker 12: that was already reading.
27:24
Speaker 1: So the modus operando of using a non Australian based,
27:30
Speaker 1: but Australian citizen who's based, as we understand it, in
27:35
Speaker 1: Iraq to then recruit minor criminals, presumably for not very
27:40
Speaker 1: much money, to incinerate the Adas Synagogue and the cafe
27:45
Speaker 1: in Sydney. That doesn't surprise you that that's how they work.
27:48
Speaker 12: Oh, look, Iran doesn't want to get its have its
27:51
Speaker 12: fingerprints on it. It doesn't want to get its hands dirty,
27:54
Speaker 12: and so in.
27:55
Speaker 1: Most look, so how will you find out about it?
27:57
Speaker 1: I mean, if the Iranians didn't want their fingerprints on it,
28:00
Speaker 1: who's made that connection? In intelligence?
28:03
Speaker 12: Certainly I saw in the media that I think I
28:06
Speaker 12: saw it on Sky News that Israel has said that
28:09
Speaker 12: it provided ASO with some key intelligence.
28:11
Speaker 1: ASIO put the rest together.
28:15
Speaker 12: No, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest I know
28:16
Speaker 12: that a couple of years ago Israeli intelligence did prevent
28:20
Speaker 12: a bomb plot on a plane leave in Australia. We
28:23
Speaker 12: all know of the incredible intelligent assets that Israel has
28:28
Speaker 12: and the asset that it provides to its friends. So
28:31
Speaker 12: it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case. But
28:33
Speaker 12: certainly ASIO would have done incredible work to uncover this.
28:37
Speaker 1: So government's response has been tough enough. We've booted out
28:39
Speaker 1: the ambassador. It's the first time an ambassador has been
28:41
Speaker 1: thrown out of the country post World War Two. We
28:45
Speaker 1: saw vision of him today leaving Camber. Presumably he's on
28:47
Speaker 1: a plane out of the country. Is that strong enough response? Certainly?
28:51
Speaker 12: I think putting the diplomatic relationship into the deep freeze
28:54
Speaker 12: is appropriate. Certainly, the move to prescribe the IGC.
28:59
Speaker 1: Is entirehighly appropriate.
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Speaker 12: It's a shame it didn't happen several years ago, but
29:02
Speaker 12: I'm glad it's happening. I do think, however, that the
29:06
Speaker 12: government can and should do more. I really think that
29:09
Speaker 12: the problem is that Australia and the West they've always
29:12
Speaker 12: approached Iran tactically and they haven't approached Iran strategically. They
29:16
Speaker 12: seem to view Iran as a normal dictatorship, and so
29:19
Speaker 12: when Iran does bad things like pursue nuclear weapons, or
29:22
Speaker 12: oppress its people, or conduct terrorism abroad, you know they'll
29:25
Speaker 12: negotiate with Iran, or they will issue harsh statements, they'll
29:28
Speaker 12: sanction a few individuals, but they don't look at Iran
29:31
Speaker 12: as a whole. Now, the Iranian regime is a toxic
29:35
Speaker 12: regime that is ideologically committed to undermining the sovereignty of
29:39
Speaker 12: countries in the Middle East and of interfering in countries
29:43
Speaker 12: around the world. And I really think that what we
29:45
Speaker 12: should be doing Australia and the West, working in concert,
29:49
Speaker 12: is doing everything it can to pressure Iran until the regime.
29:53
Speaker 1: Implodes under the weight of its own contradictions.
29:56
Speaker 12: Ronald Reagan basically did that in nineteen eighties, and that's
29:58
Speaker 12: how the West won the war. I think we should
30:00
Speaker 12: be doing the same thing with Iran. They shouldn't win diplomatically.
30:04
Speaker 12: You know, on the eighth of October, Iran is going
30:06
Speaker 12: to be voted in to be on the Advisory Council
30:09
Speaker 12: of the U and Human Rights Committee.
30:11
Speaker 1: It's appalling, that's crazy.
30:12
Speaker 12: That's a first that we in the West should make
30:14
Speaker 12: sure that we don't vote for them, that they don't
30:17
Speaker 12: sail through. We should make sure that all those countries
30:19
Speaker 12: in the world that we can pressure, that we pressure
30:21
Speaker 12: them to vote against that. Iran shouldn't win anything diplomatically.
30:24
Speaker 12: Iran shouldn't win anything militarily. Iran has proxies all around
30:28
Speaker 12: the Middle East. We should make sure that those proxies
30:30
Speaker 12: never win.
30:31
Speaker 1: Well, let's hope it's a wake up call for us. Breen,
30:33
Speaker 1: thank you very much for coming in. Appreciate it. Leasure
30:35
Speaker 1: coming up after the break across to London for the
30:37
Speaker 1: latest on Nigel farage tough stance on immigration. Now, the
30:40
Speaker 1: reform UK leader hopes to end the immigration crisis. Good
30:44
Speaker 1: luck with that, plus more on those anti immigration protests
30:47
Speaker 1: that have gripped our country. That's all up. Next welcome
30:53
Speaker 1: back to Steve Price me. They want to turn my
30:55
Speaker 1: attention to the housing crisis and how it's going to
30:57
Speaker 1: affect a small community for Melbourne. I'll get to that
31:00
Speaker 1: in a second. I need to go to the UK though.
31:03
Speaker 1: Joining us from London News Court correspondent Sky News contributor
31:06
Speaker 1: Sophie Ellsworth. I've been watching Nigel Farage's appearances in the
31:11
Speaker 1: media in the last twenty four hours. So he unveiled
31:14
Speaker 1: the plan to deport six hundred thousand migrants within five years.
31:18
Speaker 1: He talked about even arresting women and children if they
31:22
Speaker 1: arrived on illegal boats. He must have been looking at
31:24
Speaker 1: Australia's immigration laws and how we did it. Has he
31:29
Speaker 1: got popular support for what he's talking about doing.
31:35
Speaker 9: Great to be with you, Steve. He absolutely has. Nigel Farage,
31:38
Speaker 9: when all the politicians over here were taking the summer break,
31:42
Speaker 9: he was working hard and maximizing this time when most
31:45
Speaker 9: politicians were away. He's come out with this new policy
31:49
Speaker 9: that's basically said, if he wins government, if he wins
31:53
Speaker 9: the next general election, which we know is about four
31:55
Speaker 9: years away. He will probably be able to deport up
32:01
Speaker 9: to six hundred thousand illegal migrants. Now he's come out
32:05
Speaker 9: with this strong policy that says he will detain and
32:08
Speaker 9: have them deported and it's a tough policy that Bizarrely,
32:13
Speaker 9: the Conservative Party came out on Twitter Kemmy Beadenoff and
32:17
Speaker 9: accused him of copying her policy, which seemed a bit
32:22
Speaker 9: ridiculous that she's come out on Twitter to acknowledge this.
32:25
Speaker 9: But this has definitely whipped up the whole issue with
32:29
Speaker 9: illegal migration here in the UK again.
32:31
Speaker 1: Steam And as you and I know, I mean you
32:34
Speaker 1: go back to the days when Australia was getting illegal
32:37
Speaker 1: boats into Christmas Island pretty much on a weekly basis,
32:42
Speaker 1: and sovereign borders was introduced by Tony Abbott, designed by
32:46
Speaker 1: the late Jim Moole, and then the way we sorted
32:50
Speaker 1: this and it's a lot easier for us, I guess
32:52
Speaker 1: than just the English Channel in France you can basically
32:55
Speaker 1: see it from Dover. We turned the boats around her.
32:59
Speaker 1: Originally we said people off to offshore detention centers. Farage
33:05
Speaker 1: has has got a problem with that because where does
33:07
Speaker 1: he send these people back to who wants to take
33:10
Speaker 1: them back?
33:12
Speaker 9: Well, he's even saying that he would pay some of
33:14
Speaker 9: the countries to take these illegal migrants back, which has
33:18
Speaker 9: drawn a lot of criticism from his rivals, and he
33:22
Speaker 9: has said that this will be an expensive policy. But
33:25
Speaker 9: the issue here, Steve is whatever they are doing now
33:29
Speaker 9: is not working. On one day alone, they had nearly
33:32
Speaker 9: seven hundred illegal migrants arrive here on Monday. The boats
33:36
Speaker 9: just keep rolling in and the headlines keep dominating here
33:40
Speaker 9: that Kirs Starmer cannot get a handle on this. And interestingly,
33:44
Speaker 9: Nigel Farage did reference former Prime Minister Tony Abbott and
33:48
Speaker 9: said Australia can do it and we should be able
33:51
Speaker 9: to do the same thing. He is winning. Reform UK
33:54
Speaker 9: is winning in pretty much every poll here. They've only
33:57
Speaker 9: got four MP's in Parliament, but if there will an
34:00
Speaker 9: election held today, going on the polls, they would romp
34:03
Speaker 9: it in Steve.
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Speaker 1: So if you thanks for that, We'll keep an eye
34:08
Speaker 1: on those very ugly anti asylum seeker protests as well.
34:11
Speaker 1: They're pretty bad. Sophie Elsweth there in the UK, and
34:14
Speaker 1: I think what you're going to see there is probably
34:17
Speaker 1: Nigel for Raj's popularity will continue to improve and he
34:21
Speaker 1: may just copy what Tony Abbott did. I mentioned I
34:24
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about housing. Now I want to go
34:26
Speaker 1: to a fight brewing over plans to develop this super
34:29
Speaker 1: sized suburb. It's a housing precinct on the outskirts of Melbourne.
34:32
Speaker 1: In fact there's two, but I want to talk about
34:34
Speaker 1: one in particular tonight. The state government wants to build
34:36
Speaker 1: two point two million new homes by twenty fifty one.
34:40
Speaker 1: The State Planning Minister Sonya Kilkenny says it plans to
34:45
Speaker 1: build more than thirteen thousand, six hundred homes on ams Road.
34:51
Speaker 1: That's a I think it's one thy, three hundred and
34:53
Speaker 1: sixty actually on Amos Road in Riddle's Crete. Now, this
34:57
Speaker 1: is in the beautiful Masidon Rages. Now. The proposal has
35:00
Speaker 1: already been knock back a couple of years by the Council.
35:03
Speaker 1: The massive and ranges. Meyor Dominic Bonano joins me. Now,
35:06
Speaker 1: counselor welcome. What control does council have over its own
35:13
Speaker 1: policy on housing?
35:15
Speaker 8: Thanks Steve, thanks for having me.
35:17
Speaker 1: Well.
35:17
Speaker 8: We would like to be the planning authority for all
35:20
Speaker 8: matters around the shire, as do every other council and
35:24
Speaker 8: what we're what we're seeing is this developer facilitation program
35:28
Speaker 8: which is sort of like a fast track route for developers,
35:31
Speaker 8: which a lot are taking up. So it's very disappointing
35:35
Speaker 8: from a community perspective Riddles Creek and from councils.
35:40
Speaker 1: What's the population of Riddle's Creek itself, not the wider area,
35:44
Speaker 1: so Real's.
35:44
Speaker 8: Creek itself, just for contact with people at home, is
35:47
Speaker 8: approximately five thousand people. And Riddles Creek is a small
35:51
Speaker 8: country town with that country town feel where people say
35:54
Speaker 8: hello still in the streets and we've got geese so
35:57
Speaker 8: meandering around town.
35:58
Speaker 1: The government wants to show. I'm write our notes one
36:00
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty home approximately. That's correct, thirteen hectares
36:04
Speaker 1: I looked it up on the map during the week.
36:06
Speaker 1: Is that National Park that it backs onto where this
36:08
Speaker 1: slice of land is.
36:09
Speaker 8: Or that I think it's a lot more than thirteen hectares, Steve,
36:13
Speaker 8: But there is Mount Charlie and all this beautiful Baron
36:19
Speaker 8: Barrahm area around riddles Creek, So that is correct. But
36:24
Speaker 8: where it is right now is urban growth, so we
36:28
Speaker 8: acknowledge that. But really this development is going to double
36:31
Speaker 8: riddles Creek riddles Creek population and we'll just the scale
36:37
Speaker 8: and intensity of it is just not appropriate for a
36:40
Speaker 8: small country town.
36:41
Speaker 1: What style of housing is the is the property developer
36:45
Speaker 1: suggesting they're going to build there.
36:47
Speaker 8: It's a range of sizes, Steve, from small lots to
36:51
Speaker 8: larger lots. So the officers will still be working through
36:55
Speaker 8: the detail of what was proposed out of this DFP,
37:00
Speaker 8: so we'll see that, but it's a range of smaller.
37:02
Speaker 1: Tell me about schools and hospitals and roads.
37:05
Speaker 8: There's not many. That's part of the problem with a
37:08
Speaker 8: small country town, and when you're proposing to double that population,
37:12
Speaker 8: there is honey in infrastructure.
37:14
Speaker 1: This is the second big of these developments. The government's
37:17
Speaker 1: ramming through. What are your locals telling you? I mean,
37:22
Speaker 1: people go and live in Riddle's Creet presumably they've either
37:24
Speaker 1: grown up there and lived there at their whole lives,
37:27
Speaker 1: or they are going to the bush because rural lifestyle.
37:32
Speaker 1: They want a nice, quiet lifestyle and suddenly they're going
37:36
Speaker 1: to have this forced upon.
37:37
Speaker 8: That's right, Steve. And so what the community is telling
37:40
Speaker 8: you is and mass ranges. You said, oh, it's a
37:43
Speaker 8: beautiful place, and in my biased opinion, it's the best
37:46
Speaker 8: in Victoria, so that's what people want to move there.
37:49
Speaker 8: We get that, and the community are very disappointed in
37:53
Speaker 8: this outcome, and they're not totally against development. That's what
37:56
Speaker 8: they tell me that we're okay with development. It just
37:59
Speaker 8: needs to be sustainable, appropriate scale and not destroying the
38:03
Speaker 8: very fabric of a small country town like riddles Creek.
38:05
Speaker 1: So oney three hundred and sixty dwellings. That might mean
38:08
Speaker 1: some multi level places as well as houses on a
38:12
Speaker 1: cordorate acre block. What would council feel comfortable with?
38:17
Speaker 8: Well, I don't think that matters anymore, Steve, because the
38:19
Speaker 8: decision has been made, so.
38:21
Speaker 1: You've got no way to stop this happening.
38:23
Speaker 8: No, the Minister has made the decision now and we
38:27
Speaker 8: must facilitate it. So unfortunately, we will try to keep
38:31
Speaker 8: the developer. We will keep the developer accountable to make
38:33
Speaker 8: sure that we do get the delivery of services and
38:36
Speaker 8: infrastructure for the community that they need and.
38:39
Speaker 1: Deserve does as the developer in the proposal promise to
38:43
Speaker 1: infrastructure around this.
38:45
Speaker 8: Again, some minor changes as part of this DFP. There
38:50
Speaker 8: was some contribution towards the Rials Creek Recreation Reserve, which,
38:55
Speaker 8: mind you, at last night's council meeting, we approved approximately
38:59
Speaker 8: forty thousand dollars to start that process for the Rizals
39:02
Speaker 8: Creek Recreation Master Plan Reserve, and so we'll see what
39:07
Speaker 8: comes of it, but we'll look through that detail.
39:09
Speaker 1: Where's a couple of thousand kids going to go to school?
39:12
Speaker 8: That's a good question, Steve, and it's something that we'll
39:15
Speaker 8: need to work through.
39:15
Speaker 1: Where's the nearest large hospital Sunbury.
39:20
Speaker 8: No No, I think they're building one in Melton. Otherwise
39:23
Speaker 8: you've got to go up to Kaiten or Melbourne.
39:25
Speaker 1: Roads in and out at rush hour in the morning
39:28
Speaker 1: when people eventually someone will have to go back to
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Speaker 1: the office in town. Rail project.
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Speaker 8: None of the about and only one road in and
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Speaker 8: out and that's madness. It's very disappointing. And what's even
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Speaker 8: more disappointing, Steve, I need to mention it is from.
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Speaker 1: A qu perspective.
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Speaker 8: The disappoint comes from We've had Gisbon and Romsey structure
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Speaker 8: plans that the previous term myself included. We're heavily involved
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Speaker 8: in the staff, did a mountain of work, community consultation.
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Speaker 8: We've worked through it all years of work. It's been
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Speaker 8: sitting on the Minister's depth desk for over twelve months,
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Speaker 8: over a year, and we haven't heard anything. So we've
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Speaker 8: done the work with the community, and then you have
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Speaker 8: this DFP where developers can just boltz in they don't
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Speaker 8: like what they're hearing from the council. In this case
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Speaker 8: Amos Road. They came back to us three times and
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Speaker 8: each time the numbers went up.
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Speaker 1: It's just unacceptable.
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Speaker 8: And then they say, well, we don't like what the
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Speaker 8: community is saying. We'll just take this other fast track.
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Speaker 1: For you Dominices. We'll keep talking about it. So good
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Speaker 1: luck with the battle. Thank you, Sef s dominic there.
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Speaker 1: Can you believe that if you were living in that
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Speaker 1: little community and you had that foisted upon you. After
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Speaker 1: the break, the panel's back reacts to Usman Kwaja's discussing
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Speaker 1: Gaza with the Prime Minister, plus the confusion on that
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Speaker 1: meeting between Richard Miles and Pete Hesketh Was it really
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Speaker 1: a meeting? Welcome back Panel time. Let's bring in Skye
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Speaker 1: News contributor Kosher Garda. Great to see you again, and
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Speaker 1: the past chair of Parliament's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee,
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Speaker 1: Michael Danby first up the Prime Minister at a meeting
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Speaker 1: today with the Australian Cricket at Usmund Kuwaja. It was
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Speaker 1: about Gaza. The meeting was apparently reorganized. I think Jim
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Speaker 1: Chalmers sorted that out. Michael sportsman getting involved in politics
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Speaker 1: never ends well. Kuwaja obviously feels very strongly about the
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Speaker 1: issue of Gaza. I wonder why the Prime Minister felt
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Speaker 1: it necessary to talk to him, knowing that he was
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Speaker 1: then going to go out and say we should sanction
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Speaker 1: Benjamin Nette. Yahoo is a war criminal. Well he isn't.
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Speaker 13: There's a case before the International Court of Justice and
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Speaker 13: International Criminal Court. All of these things have to be judge,
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Speaker 13: mister Kwaja by actual courts and with different kinds of evidence.
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Speaker 13: And it's actually a war in Gaza where there's house
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Speaker 13: to house fighting and eight hundred young Israelis have been killed.
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Speaker 13: So it's not black and white. That's only for simpletons.
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Speaker 13: But the Prime Minister has to see him because of
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Speaker 13: the very big Muslim community in Australia and in all
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Speaker 13: of the Western suburbs. Electrics, as you know, politicians get
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Speaker 13: seduced by sportsmen and famous faces.
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Speaker 1: That did always happened. Pat Cummins was in there talking
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Speaker 1: about green energy and that zero this week?
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Speaker 13: What about Orange Donald with Greg Norman. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 13: he listens to some sportsman too, So it's a problem
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Speaker 13: across the world. But I'm just saying, on this issue,
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Speaker 13: it's not a black and white thing, and good luck
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Speaker 13: to him that he was able to get his views across.
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Speaker 13: But it's not as simple as.
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Speaker 1: That, kosher. We're talking about the United States. So Richard
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Speaker 1: Miles decides, out of the blue jump on a plane,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to Washington. I'm going to see Pete Heskeith,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to talk about Aucus and whatever else
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Speaker 1: I can talk to him about. He gets over there,
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Speaker 1: the meeting's not organized, apparently, it gets to see JD.
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Speaker 1: Vance though, and he sees Marco Rubio. Then there's a
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Speaker 1: picture of him with Hesketh. First the Pentagon says there
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Speaker 1: was no meeting. It was just a bumped into in
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Speaker 1: the corridor. And now they say there is a meeting.
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Speaker 1: What the hell's going on?
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Speaker 14: We don't know. There is photographic evidence because he Richard
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Speaker 14: Roles put it out on a social time feed photos
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Speaker 14: with those all three of them, Exeth, Rubio and JD.
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Speaker 1: Vans.
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Speaker 14: So they met, and I think the Pentagon walked it
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Speaker 14: back later and said, yeah, we've been happy to welcome
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Speaker 14: him to the US multiple times, and we did meet.
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Speaker 14: But more importantly, how long was the meeting? That's what's
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Speaker 14: in dispute, and more importantly, what of substance was discussed?
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Speaker 14: Did they get into acus? You know, he put out
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Speaker 14: a statement that he.
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Speaker 1: Shored up as long as they're chat eating, right, So.
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Speaker 2: What can you do that?
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Speaker 14: And the other big thing is defense spending, which we
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Speaker 14: know that that's a big issue for the Trump administration.
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Speaker 14: They're pushing Australia to increase it from two percent to
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Speaker 14: three point five. Did they get any discussion on that?
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Speaker 14: Doesn't seem like it, so it looks like it's kosher.
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Speaker 13: When you organize these meetings with overseas heavy hitters like this,
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Speaker 13: you have to pre prepare them. They have to be
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Speaker 13: notes taken, all of the issues have to be talked
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Speaker 13: out by advisers so you get the points where you
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Speaker 13: can actually negotiate. This is very badly organized. Peter Jennings
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Speaker 13: has a very serious column on this. We have a
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Speaker 13: real problem with the Americans, and he says that we're
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Speaker 13: going to go down summaratees.
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Speaker 1: Do we I mean, Miles can turn up at the
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Speaker 1: White House and get a meeting with JD. Vance and
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Speaker 1: Marco Rubio.
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Speaker 4: Is that?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm no big fan of Richard Miles, but
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Speaker 1: that's not bad.
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Speaker 14: It's better than what the Prime minister.
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Speaker 2: I think.
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Speaker 14: This also feeds into that that the Prime Minister has
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Speaker 14: not had a meeting yet, and it feeds into the
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Speaker 14: narrative that they're on their back foot and they're not
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Speaker 14: really able to grab the ball by the horns and
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Speaker 14: get their a jay.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever been on one of these overseas trips
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Speaker 1: where you've had to organize meetings with very heavy hitters
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Speaker 1: and you've got there and it's not organized. Never, I
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Speaker 1: would never go and make where well.
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Speaker 13: And that's the really serious thing that worries me. Why
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Speaker 13: did he fly over there at such short notices? Something
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Speaker 13: going on behind the scenes. It's like this kicking out
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Speaker 13: the Iranian ambassador. This is beneath the iceberg. There's a
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Speaker 13: lot of iceberg, and I'm really worried that the guy
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Speaker 13: who's in charge of the Pentagon's review of our submarine
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Speaker 13: deals is going to torpeede to it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it looks why would he go over there?
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Speaker 1: Why bargaining chip for Americans. They say, okay, you've given
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Speaker 1: us two lots of eight hundred millionaires. I think that's
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Speaker 1: not bad. We had a bag of cash. But I
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Speaker 1: mean they can say, look, you either increase your defense
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Speaker 1: spending or this auchest thing's going out the door.
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Speaker 14: That's going to be a sticking point the defense spending
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Speaker 14: issue among others. And who holds the cards to court
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Speaker 14: President Trump? Who holds more cards? That's what it's going
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Speaker 14: to come down to.
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Speaker 13: And I'm not sure if I was Eldridgekaliavus Steve Clark,
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Speaker 13: that's not his surname, I would really worry. I've got
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Speaker 13: American submarines in Perth. There's a war started between Taiwan
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Speaker 13: and China. If they are American submarines, we know what
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Speaker 13: they're going to do. If they're Australian submarines under elbow
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Speaker 13: and miles, do you wonder what they're going to do.
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Speaker 13: I don't know whether we'd be like they have in
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Speaker 13: every conflicts and something else, we should be behind them.
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Speaker 1: That'd be a bit cynical. You would say, right, what
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Speaker 1: do you want us to do? I mean, Albo's not
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Speaker 1: going to say no, we're not going to help you
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Speaker 1: with Taiwan, is.
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Speaker 13: He Well, it's a very left wing government, Steve. They've
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Speaker 13: done the right thing on this Iranian Bizou, but they're
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Speaker 13: right on the other side of history, you know, seven
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Speaker 13: days looking at pandas in the Great Wall of China
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Speaker 13: and not meeting Trumps.
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Speaker 1: KOCHI roined it out kosher, this whole thing with Iran
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Speaker 1: having operatives paid for by third parties. A criminal in
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Speaker 1: Iraq who apparently's making billions of dollars a year out
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Speaker 1: of illegal cigarette chop chop. He's lined up a couple
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Speaker 1: of youngsters here had gone fire bymb Syndegogue. I think
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Speaker 1: we were all very surprised when we heard about that.
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Speaker 14: Yes, big deal. Obviously we saw the ravocation of the diplomats,
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Speaker 14: the ambassador, which was big. Never happened before, I think
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Speaker 14: in history Penny won't put it out there that hasn't
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Speaker 14: happened since World War Two. So that was a big
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Speaker 14: move coming out of this for me.
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Speaker 3: Though.
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Speaker 14: The big picture is it's all downstream of immigration. These
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Speaker 14: are really the consequences of fifty years of immigration policy,
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Speaker 14: and you have all sorts of Bible in here. Yeah,
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Speaker 14: and then you just don't know who's in the country
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Speaker 14: and what their allegiances are or aren't, and it's almost
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Speaker 14: impossible to figure out preemptively every single such when you're
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Speaker 14: in government.
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Speaker 1: Did you ever have a discussion at any point about
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Speaker 1: having to kick an ambassador out of the country. I
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Speaker 1: don't want you to name anyone, but.
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Speaker 13: No, I would have liked to have kicked a couple
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Speaker 13: of them. There was a representative of a certain country
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Speaker 13: that told us that they Australian navy or submarines or
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Speaker 13: ships couldn't sell the South China Sea only if and
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Speaker 13: I said, if they were submarines they could they could
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Speaker 13: do it. He said, yes, if they surfaced and flew
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Speaker 13: their flag. In other words, they were not the purposes
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Speaker 13: of submarines. So there are some dubious people up there.
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Speaker 1: Does the dirty tricks runs up to surprise you?
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Speaker 13: Not at all. But what does surprise me is what
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Speaker 13: Greg Sheridan said, that they have the bandwidth to do this.
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Speaker 13: I said in another Sky program the other day, Steve,
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Speaker 13: they don't have enough water in Tehran. How can they
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Speaker 13: have the headspace the bandwidth to do this? And the
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Speaker 13: answer that the social media is full of this anti
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Speaker 13: Zionus crap that this is a plot by Elbow and Azo,
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Speaker 13: But the real truth is these people are so fanatical
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Speaker 13: about that issue that even far away Australia comes into
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Speaker 13: their purview and that's why they fund the hooties, has
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Speaker 13: blow and autos playstoation of the problem is they've thrown
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Speaker 13: a match on the fire and then anti Semitism has
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Speaker 13: just exploded.
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Speaker 1: So they succeeded, didn't They absolutely succeeded. Thank you both,
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Speaker 1: Adling again, thank you for their help over the last
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Speaker 1: five week. Good on you, Steve. Well done Peter, and
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Speaker 1: we'll be back to see you next week. Thanks for
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Speaker 1: both for coming okay coming up after me Andrew Bot.
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Speaker 1: It's been a great pleasure to sit in Peter Kredlin's
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Speaker 1: chair for the last fe five weeks. Peter indeed will
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Speaker 1: be back with you on Monday. I'll be back same
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Speaker 1: chair tomorrow night at six o'clock