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Ep. 705: Fishing at 200 MPH with NASCAR's Chase Elliott · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 3: Steve had a little incident today with Chase.
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  Speaker 2: Got machine has been we should we should get going anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Steve driving incident today.
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  Speaker 1: Little always point out at that place. I tell my
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  Speaker 1: kids someone's gonna die here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you've out did from road rage another guy.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, I know he got another altercation.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be honest. Your your compadres here made it seem
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  Speaker 2: a lot worse than I was expecting me. I saw
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  Speaker 2: like eighty on the on the pedometer. They were saying
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  Speaker 2: like sixty five max. That's all we were going to
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  Speaker 2: get out of here today. That's not what I said.
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  Speaker 2: If you want, if you go name names, I'm just saying.
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  Speaker 1: If you're Livingston, Montana and you're trying to get uh,
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  Speaker 1: westbound on I ninety at the main Livingstone thing. There's
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  Speaker 1: an entrance there that it's like the engineer that designed
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  Speaker 1: it should be shot run over on that. It is
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  Speaker 1: the worst highway.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not. It's questionable.
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  Speaker 1: No, And I always tell my kids, like, someone's gonna
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  Speaker 1: get killed at this entrance. You like, there's no like,
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  Speaker 1: you're just there, You're just on the highway.
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  Speaker 2: I start sweating every time I get on the free one.
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  Speaker 2: Say I'm on your side, Steve.
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  Speaker 1: You can't. It's the runway is so short. You like,
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  Speaker 1: you do the little loop and all of a sudden
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  Speaker 1: there you are, and like dudes that don't get over.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like you can stop and then wait a
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  Speaker 1: while and then merge out later. You have to just
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  Speaker 1: go and they have to let you in.
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  Speaker 2: This guy didn't want to let you in.
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  Speaker 1: No, And then he wanted to have a little conniption
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  Speaker 1: hawk in his heart. And I noticed he got new
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  Speaker 1: an altercation. I was in my in my rear side
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  Speaker 1: view mirror. I watched him having like a little blinker
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  Speaker 1: war with another guy.
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  Speaker 2: He was having a bad days. Just one of those guys,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's one of those guys.
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  Speaker 1: I think that like. I liked it. I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 1: entering the highway, get let me in. Yeah, and if
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  Speaker 1: you want to not.
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  Speaker 4: Do that, But how would you rate your own driving
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  Speaker 4: in general?
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  Speaker 2: I don't need to rate it.
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  Speaker 1: I have the stats to back it up.
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  Speaker 2: What stats like?
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  Speaker 1: I told my first car on a two track on
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  Speaker 1: a two track, crashed tree, trying to open the trying
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  Speaker 1: you know the little the windows in the back trucks
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  Speaker 1: used to have, trying to hand a beer through to
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  Speaker 1: a guy named Brian Peterson and hit an oak tree
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  Speaker 1: on a logging.
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  Speaker 2: Road and they were in the bed.
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  Speaker 1: They were in the bed of the truck. They all
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  Speaker 1: got lunch, but that was one of the worst thing.
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  Speaker 1: So I bought that truck for six hundred dollars. Was
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  Speaker 1: on the corner of Russell and Riley Thompson, Dalton Township, Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: seventy nine. Chev Mm hmmm two will drive Blue Chevy.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, we're all bout some team Chevy.
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  Speaker 1: That's the voice to Chase. When I get to reading
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  Speaker 1: you about how credential Chase Elliott is is a NASCAR driver,
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna blow your mind.
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  Speaker 2: The back.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking to the listener. You won't believe it. How
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  Speaker 1: credential this gentleman is that race car driving?
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  Speaker 2: You might? You might not. Well we'll find out. Stay tuned.
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  Speaker 1: I'll have to wait and see. What was I getting at?
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  Speaker 1: Oh that truck truck? Yeah, so was at the corner
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  Speaker 1: of Russell and Riley Thompson. Six hundred bucks, stick shift
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  Speaker 1: mm hmm, short box, short ish, but we didn't have
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  Speaker 1: an eight foot box on, which is a bummer. My
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  Speaker 1: next truck did, which was three hundred dollars. Anyways, regular cab,
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  Speaker 1: short of mileage, regular cab. What's up?
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  Speaker 2: What was the mileage?
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  Speaker 1: Hi?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I assume so for six hundred bucks, but
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  Speaker 2: I just was curious.
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  Speaker 1: It was, yeah, a long time ago. This would have
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  Speaker 1: been and this would have been when I turned sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: So it had been in nineteen eighty nineteen. No, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: eighty six would have been nineteen ninety.
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  Speaker 2: That wasn't that long ago. My first truck was a shortbed,
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  Speaker 2: regular cab, Chevy eighty eight.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have this truck long anyway. Let me tell
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  Speaker 1: you what happened. Yeah, no, Well, so I crashed it
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  Speaker 1: into this oak tree and ash it all in. Matt Jones,
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  Speaker 1: who was a total gearhead, like you know what you
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  Speaker 1: had to do most likely to succeed. He was such
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  Speaker 1: a gearhead. I voted for him, no one else did.
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  Speaker 1: By sawing him like, I mean, he'll be successful at
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  Speaker 1: fixing cars and all this stuff. He became like a
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  Speaker 1: hydraulics mechanic. Anyhow, I sold it to him for one
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  Speaker 1: so now and because he's such a gearhead. Two days later,
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  Speaker 1: some bitch driving the truck round looked just like when
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  Speaker 1: I had it before I crashed it. Yes, soared a
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  Speaker 1: strong life.
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  Speaker 3: The same thing happened with I blew my truck up
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  Speaker 3: on the interstate driving to college. And when I was
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  Speaker 3: back for Christmas this past year, I saw some dude
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  Speaker 3: driving it around.
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  Speaker 2: M hmm, really yeah, takes out fix it up?
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  Speaker 4: Ye.
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  Speaker 1: Then that, Then I bought another chev after that, Then
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  Speaker 1: I bought another, Then I bought a another chev after that.
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  Speaker 2: There you go, Team Chevy. Yeah, and there's a reason
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  Speaker 2: you keep going back.
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  Speaker 4: As you matured, your your level of driving improved beyond.
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  Speaker 1: Oh point being so I that was the whole I've
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  Speaker 1: never had. I've never had of trouble with the cops ever.
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  Speaker 4: Oh that's good.
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  Speaker 1: Never had like a moving violation nothing like that.
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  Speaker 4: You don't speed.
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  Speaker 2: You never got a speed ticket? Yeah, I mean you
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  Speaker 2: get a ticket for the crash.
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  Speaker 1: No, because that was off in the woods. I rolled.
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  Speaker 1: I had a Conno Line van that I traded Ronnie Bain.
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  Speaker 1: I traded him a husk bar in a two fifty
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  Speaker 1: two chainsaw and I think two hundred and fifty bucks
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  Speaker 1: for van. Rolled it on the ice. Destroyed that and
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  Speaker 1: it don't had nothing bad has ever happened to me.
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  Speaker 1: That's not something like like like facts speak for themselves.
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  Speaker 1: I never even killed a deer. I hit one with
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  Speaker 1: the side you mirror, but couldn't find it.
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  Speaker 2: He made it, he might have killed one.
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  Speaker 1: We looked all over. I thought for sure it'd be dead,
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  Speaker 1: but we couldn't find it. Tried to trail it. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a good driver.
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  Speaker 5: All crashes off road, none on road, none on right
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  Speaker 5: A trey.
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  Speaker 1: Off road like boskey, that's what we called it growing up.
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  Speaker 2: My only speeding ticket was with you in your truck.
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  Speaker 1: Remember that who was driving?
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  Speaker 2: I was It was his speeding ticket in Wyoming.
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  Speaker 4: I never forgot about that speed limit.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I hope this cop some young dude.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 3: Stephen Ranella I look in the mirror at some white
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  Speaker 3: haired old dude had no clue.
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  Speaker 2: Ninety bucks.
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  Speaker 1: I've been let go. I've been let off on some tickets.
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  Speaker 1: And I got a minor ticket not long ago. But
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  Speaker 1: I was doing a good favor. Remember we did that
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  Speaker 1: giveaway where we brought chainsaws to all the dudes that
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  Speaker 1: enrolled Black Management. Yeah, well, I was dropping off my
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  Speaker 1: chainsaw and got a speeding ticket, but he lowered it
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  Speaker 1: down to like barely speeding and I could just take
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  Speaker 1: care of it in the mail. No one time.
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  Speaker 4: Speeding tickets, Yep, I got one, like, well, it was
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  Speaker 4: a warning a couple of weeks ago. And then you
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  Speaker 4: were I mean, you know what my record is when
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  Speaker 4: I like drove, Oh yeah, you never drove d for
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  Speaker 4: like four hours.
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  Speaker 2: I still think about that Texas Texas.
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  Speaker 1: She only yeah, like Krin hadn't driven for like eighty
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  Speaker 1: years and then like drove a car for the first
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  Speaker 1: time and only drove in the passing.
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  Speaker 4: Lane between Waco and Austin. And you guys about ship yourself.
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  Speaker 1: One time when I was working for Ronnie, same guy
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  Speaker 1: got the Econo line van from He sends me out
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  Speaker 1: with like a lot of these guys that worked for
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  Speaker 1: Ronnie back in those days had felonies and couldn't drive,
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  Speaker 1: So you guys had to drive because they had too
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  Speaker 1: many DUIs to drive. Well, one day we're with a guy.
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  Speaker 1: It was me, a dude named Scott and a dude
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  Speaker 1: named Bill Dutch. And all I know is he just
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  Speaker 1: started working for Ronnie. Okay, he just is a brand
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  Speaker 1: new employee. All I know is his name's Bill. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: All day everybody calls him Bill. This dude Scott's driving
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  Speaker 1: Scott's get Because Scott gets pulled over for speeding. Cop
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  Speaker 1: comes up. The cops can just smell a fish. He
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  Speaker 1: has a turn to Bill Dutcher and something just speaks
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  Speaker 1: to this cop. He says, what's your name? And all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden he's like Randy or some shit, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I'm like, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 1: cause all day you've been Bill Dutcher, you know. So
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  Speaker 1: he's like Randy, and then he goes, let me see
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  Speaker 1: her idea. He just knows, he knows, and he's like,
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  Speaker 1: I left it at home. So the cops like okay,
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  Speaker 1: and he goes back to his cop car, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and we're sitting there and then it's never good and
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  Speaker 1: all sudden like he goes another cop car, cop car
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  Speaker 1: in front of our cop in front of our car,
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  Speaker 1: and they get out and tear I mean they tear
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  Speaker 1: our work truck apart, my toolbox. They went through my toolbox.
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  Speaker 1: I had a bottle of ibuprofen in my toolbox. They
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  Speaker 1: went through the bottle of ibuprofene. Find Bill Dodgers driver.
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  Speaker 1: Find Bill Dutcher's driver's license. Well, what did he do
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  Speaker 1: which he didn't have?
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  Speaker 2: What was up with this dude? Why why was he
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  Speaker 2: so famous? They hauled him away and you never found
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  Speaker 2: you never heard anything else about it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember what his problem was. He had a warrant.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It was just like he was a
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  Speaker 1: short lived He had a short lived tenure. That was
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  Speaker 1: his day.
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  Speaker 2: You got any good speed tickets, Chase, I honestly don't.
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  Speaker 2: Are you lead foot off the track or just.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't drive, He doesn't drive a road car run.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that surprised me. No, somebody's phones ring,
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  Speaker 2: that's mine. That's pretty normal, Sam Bates.
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  Speaker 1: We're just with her.
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  Speaker 2: She knows we're recording the show.
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  Speaker 1: Does care?
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  Speaker 2: Sam uh No?
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  Speaker 1: Last ticket.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'll be honest, I've gotten a couple of warnings.
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  Speaker 2: I've gotten off on a couple of tickets, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Did you tell them what I'm a race car driver.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's the worst thing you can do.
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  Speaker 1: Because I think he'd be like, well, you certainly know
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  Speaker 1: what you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm exactly But unless.
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  Speaker 4: It's like gosh, I just can't break the habit, you know, like.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that flies. No, I think I think
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  Speaker 2: that immediately comes off as you're a smart ass and
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  Speaker 2: you're either going to jail or instead of taking your
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  Speaker 2: ticket down, we're gonna take it or take it up.
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  Speaker 2: That does not work. But yeah, no, it's been a bit.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a bit, and I'm a slow driver on
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  Speaker 2: the roads, I really am, except.
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  Speaker 5: Leaving the race track. The race track, when you leave
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  Speaker 5: it's a race to the airport.
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  Speaker 1: Oh can you introduce yourself with Yeah, I'm Jordan.
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  Speaker 5: I work with Chase travel on the weekends to some races,
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  Speaker 5: so he's a mad man.
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  Speaker 1: Leaving the race tracks, you just want to get out
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  Speaker 1: of there and to hurry.
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  Speaker 2: Well, five minutes can go a long way. And y'all
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  Speaker 2: think I'm crazy about this, But it really can. So like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the races gets over and people are leaving,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, obviously you want to try to beat
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  Speaker 2: the traffic. So like if you mess around there for
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  Speaker 2: five minutes, it could be the difference in an hour.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, see what I mean makes sense. So five
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  Speaker 2: minutes can be the difference in you know, an hour plus.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm in a slight rush.
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  Speaker 1: Ready for all your credentials, sure, Elliot. Chase Elliott won
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  Speaker 1: the twenty fourteen NASCAR Nationwide Series Championship, becoming the first
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  Speaker 1: rookie and the youngest driver twin a National Series champamionship
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  Speaker 1: in NASCAR history. You were driving race cars before you
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  Speaker 1: get a driver's license. I was Did it feel weird
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  Speaker 1: to go get a driver's license?
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  Speaker 2: Mmmmm No, I don't think it felt weird. It probably
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  Speaker 2: felt weird racing without like racing older like guys that
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  Speaker 2: were older than me and me not having a driver's license.
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  Speaker 2: You know that that was kind of a strange. Like
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  Speaker 2: a few years I would say.
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  Speaker 1: What was it observed commonly that you didn't have a
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  Speaker 1: driver's license?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. It was definitely a hot topic. But
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  Speaker 2: there were other kids out there that were under sixteen
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  Speaker 2: that race too, So I wouldn't say it was uncommon,
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  Speaker 2: but it was definitely talked about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Chase Elliott won the twenty twenty five season opening
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  Speaker 1: exhibition race at Bowman Gray Mark.
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  Speaker 2: This is for twenty twenty five, twenty twenty four, twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: Yeahs it says, oh, well, okay, I just said the
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  Speaker 1: year he did, oh did?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, never mind, Sorry, I thought you left the year.
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  Speaker 1: Out marking his first Clash win. What the hell does
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  Speaker 1: that mean to Clash win?
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  Speaker 2: It's just a exhibition race that NASCAR holds every year.
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  Speaker 2: The class is always been around the sport for as
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  Speaker 2: long as I can remember, kind of like the All
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  Speaker 2: Star Race over the summer, the Clash starts the season,
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  Speaker 2: and that's just kind of what it's always been. It
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  Speaker 2: used to always be in Daytona for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: They would have the Clash the week before the Daytona
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  Speaker 2: five hundred, and now it's transitioned to some other places.
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  Speaker 2: But it's just the name of the race.
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  Speaker 1: Because that's always been a weird thing about racing, is
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  Speaker 1: you guys have your super Bowl at the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: The beginning. I feel the same way about it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of weird.
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  Speaker 1: It's like you start out with the Super Bowl, the
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  Speaker 1: one that everybody knows.
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  Speaker 2: And then what happens after that. Yeah, yeah, I find
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  Speaker 2: the same problem with it for sure. I wish there
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  Speaker 2: was a better way to have positioned in a different
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  Speaker 2: spot selfishly, because it is such a big event and
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  Speaker 2: it's such a great event. If you've never been to
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  Speaker 2: the Daytona five hundred, I highly recommend you at least
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  Speaker 2: go see it once. It's worth seeing. But it is
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  Speaker 2: a I always find it. The most awkward part about
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  Speaker 2: it for me is answering questions about, you know, this
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  Speaker 2: is the super Bowl of racing.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so I just did an annoying thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but that's okay, it's very normal, well place, you know,
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  Speaker 2: And that's and most and most of the time it
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  Speaker 2: is and it's just an awkward thing to talk about
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  Speaker 2: and explain because it is such a big deal. But
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  Speaker 2: it is totally at the beginning of our season, and
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  Speaker 2: it is not You're not crowning a season champion at
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  Speaker 2: that point, which is what the Super Bowl does, which
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  Speaker 2: is what you know, the World Series does, or you
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  Speaker 2: know whatever. So it's just a little different vibe. I
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  Speaker 2: guess probably more similar to say, like the Masters or
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  Speaker 2: like the US Open. You know, you have some like
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  Speaker 2: marquee events in the middle of the season that aren't
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  Speaker 2: necessary really crowning your season long champion, but you still
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  Speaker 2: become a Daytona five hundred champion if you if you win,
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  Speaker 2: just like you would become, you know, a Master champion
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  Speaker 2: or whatever. So I think it's probably more similar to that, but.
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  Speaker 1: Rather than chasing the final like the final top victory.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just something just different, just different.
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  Speaker 1: Elliet is the only NASCAR Cup Series driver this season
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  Speaker 1: to finish all nine races in the top twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not a great stat that's not top twenty,
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  Speaker 2: that's not doing a whole bunch. But I mean it's
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  Speaker 2: good to finish him.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, you're in the top twenty. You finished all nine.
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  Speaker 2: I heard you. But you want to be like, man,
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  Speaker 2: you finished all of them in the top ten, or like.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I can scratch that one out. Yeah, Bill can
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  Speaker 1: go back and get.
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  Speaker 2: Rid of it. I mean, look, I'm not No, it's good.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's good because you're gonna have races that
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  Speaker 2: you when you're not gonna like this one.
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  Speaker 1: Oh great, he is currently fifth in the Cup Series
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  Speaker 1: point standings, with two top five finishes and five top
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  Speaker 1: tens this season.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, we like that better than the other sounds good
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  Speaker 4: to me?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think yeah, I think that's a little better
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  Speaker 2: than the other one, but not by much.
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  Speaker 1: Chase Elliott has three total wins on drafting style tracks,
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  Speaker 1: two at Talladega and one Atlanta Motor Speedway.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Like that one accurate wins are good? Okay.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Chase Elliott rounded off the twenty twenty four season with
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: one win Texas Motor Speedway. Eleven top fives in nineteen
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: top ten finishes.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: That's a lot of racing.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's thirty eight or thirty six points races in
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: a year, So yeah, a lot of a lot of
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: To put that in like a better understanding, I guess yeah.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, go ahead.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Are all speedways drafting style tracks? Or what's your definition
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: of a speedway?
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: You're the one that used the word earlier.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would say Talladega. Yeah, I consider speedways
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: like Daytona and Talladega. Okay, Atlanta is kind of an
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: outlier because they recon Atlanta is not really a speedway.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: It's a mile and a half where Daytona and Talladega
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: are you know, over two miles.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: So it's just.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: They reconfigured the track and change the rules a little
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: bit to make it a drafting style track, but I wouldn't.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: It is now a speedway, but it's a much smaller speedway.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: A speedway means you get going real speedy. Because it's long,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: you have longer runs.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Yep, it's a good way to put it.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna move this one a decimal place to make
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: it better.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Named one of NASCAR's seven point five greatest drivers.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Much better than seventy five. Thank you, thank you. I'll
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: take it. I'll take it.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: One of NASCAR's seventy five greatest drivers. But you're still young, Yeah, fairly,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: you're young for a driver twenty nine years.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm not as young as I once was,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I'm still on the younger side of the equation.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Who's the youngest right now? Who is the youngest right now?
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Who am I thinking? Who am I missing?
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: There's some rookies this year Husa R. I don't know
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: how old he is, but he'll be pretty young.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he would have to be pretty young.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: How old are you?
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Seth thirty three.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Seth's gonna give you some life advice.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Great, I need it. I can't. I don't. I can't
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: right off the top of my head. But there's probably
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: some guys in their early twenties I would say, right now.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Really, O, come you want more?
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Not really?
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, here's a good one. Here's a good one who
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: wrote this?
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? Who did this?
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Seven time consecutive winner of the NASCAR Cup Series Most
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Popular Driver Award?
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: You like that one?
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Twenty twenty NASCAR Cup Series Champion, twenty twenty any NASCAR
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: All Star Race winner at Bristol Motor Speedway, twenty fourteen
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: NASCAR Exfinity Series champion. And he's the son of Hall
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: of Fame inductee in sixteen times most popular Drivers, sixteen
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: times more popular than you.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Are, good chunk. Yeah, he's got me covered.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: His father, Bill Elliott. Yeah, more popular than you?
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, he is to this day more popular than me.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Is he a good dad though? Yeah?
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: He's been a good dad.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Well, you don't have any complaints about him?
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: No, I can't complain much.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Okay. Amazon Prime Video is sponsoring Chase. That's cool. Yeah,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: free videos.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: You know. I haven't talked to him. About that. But
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I would totally love to get a free Prime subscription
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: if it's.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Currently sponsor Amazon Prime and then you.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Draft it still drafts off the credit card. Sure does.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Like that, you know, like I bet yeah, but I
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: would think that would you do all that and then
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: you go to get a video on a dinghy have
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: two ninety nine?
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah? But also you know, I'm I'm proud, I'm a
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I'm a proud supporter of our own product. So you
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: know what, it's okay.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's a it's a great sir. My wife
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: worked for many years for Amazon, did you. Yeah. Uh.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: He has a few races coming up, but the big,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: big one is the co Cola six hundred, which will
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: live stream on Amazon Prime on May Really sure will?
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: Is that that's.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: The first one? Yeah, the first one on Prime this year?
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: So is that gonna be a pay to play on
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Prime or is it gonna be this open?
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Well, you have to have a Prime subscription.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean if it's not like an added.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: No, it'd be like Thursday night football for what the
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: NFL is done the last what two seasons?
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I think?
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: So yeah, same thing.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Krinn Uh.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: You could have scratched this one, no.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Know, because I'm not gonna talk about what I'm not
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: gonna talk. Krinn pulls together. People send us all kinds
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: of stuff and Krinn takes her picks of what she
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: thinks she's gonna put into this. We have a document.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: If you ever look that we're looking at a laptop.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: You are all looking at laptops and I'm not, so.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: You don't get to and we like people to feel
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: left out.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's get it.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: This one, this one dinged into my feet actually, so.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: She found and she liked it. Kriinn likes this one
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: from Peep. She likes this hit from People magazine. It's
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: under the Royals column. She likes it so much she
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: included it in the in the talking points here and
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: then tried to back out of it. Uh So, if
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: you're if you want to get into Krin's head, here's
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: something that Krinn sees and she's like, it's this Princess Charlotte.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that that was that kid's name. Yeah,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I didn't. Princess Charlotte's tenth birthday photo had a surprising
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: royal first thanks to Kate Middleton.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I'm a little lost over here. Somebody's got to help.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: What part did you get lost on this? On the document?
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: How you're going to bring this back to the conversation done?
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: We totally left me.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here's all worse.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Because I was worried too, and I was like, man,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: where is this going? Told you we went to Princess Charlotte.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: We we we We opened the show up. Nine out
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: of ten times, you open the show up and you'll
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: introduce the guest. Okay, you don't really want them to
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: say that much. You just want them to kind of
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: sit there and you can introduce them. Then we do
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: like interesting things from the news, corrections, listener feedback, and
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: then we do the guest interview perfect but because it's
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: on video, right, so if you didn't introduce the person,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: people are wondering who's that person sitting there? And I
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: don't think people like the part of the show where
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: we do the news.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: I think they want to hear from the guests primarily.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: So you want to get you let them know there
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: is a guest so they don't all stop listening. But
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: then what the part that we like is the news.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: You force them to hang around for it.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: We start with do a little bit for the guests,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: then we do a little bit for us and then
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: and then go back all.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Right, so that we don't take twenty five minutes on
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: this first news item. The only reason why I thought
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: it was funny.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: She had a camouflage jacket.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, is that it's the first It's not like I
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: follow People magazine number one. It's not like I fired
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: news of the UK Royal Yes, thanks thanks to Apple News.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: She's got to fit in. Is that massioke.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: It's not in a American brand. I look really, really
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: really closely, and it's a it's a it's a British brand.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: They really bury the lead.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the news.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: The headline doesn't have it, the next line doesn't have it.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And then because they know they don't really have much, ye, writer,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: they don't have much.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: I thought it was going to be a little bit
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: more about how she was outdoors, clearly somewhere in the elements,
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: wearing her camo, or that maybe it was going to
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: be like she was on a hunting trip with the family.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: It wasn't that. It was that her mom is an
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: amateur photographer and took this portrait with her iPhone.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: But and she's got a cameo jacket.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: Yes, and she's got a camo jacket moving on.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: That tickles Krinn.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: This is going to be one of the social clips,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: by the way. I'm just letting you.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Know that tickles Krinn. I always tell my kids, as Americans,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: they have an obligation to dislike that royal family. You know,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: we had to fight a big war against those guys. Yeah,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: but you.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Know, this young girl is celebrating the outdoors. That's something new.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Is she like them for?
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Cao is just a little trendy right now.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: The simple act of having on a cameo jacket is
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: celebrating the outdoors.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: No, but she's you know, it looks like she's somewhere
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: outdoors adventuring somehow.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Look who's celebrating the outdoors over here?
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got the count on, so I don't know
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: if I count.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: A while back, I made up a saying that I
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: talked about so much that people asked me to stop
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: talking about it. I made up a saying A fresh
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: set of eyes will always find more beans, and it's
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: a it's a gardening saying. This guy's wife, he wrote
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: in to say his brilliant wife came up with the
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: old time saying of her own, uh, all leaves and
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: no branches.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I kind of like it.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I don't like it. I'm not going to use that
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: meaning an argument looks great or seemingly great, but there's
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: no structure support to the argument.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, makes sense.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to use it, and I bet you
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: don't use it.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I'll probably forget about it. I'm not going to use
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: it mainly because.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Interview that's a good challenge.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a good challenge for sure.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: In a post race interview you can say, like, you
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: know what I always say, all leaves and the branch.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: All branches. I have to really think about that one.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't. I don't think that one's coming back.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: A guy was hunting on Kodiak Island this past season
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: and he got a banded. He shot a black scolder
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: with a band on it. It's type of duck. The
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: band was severely worn. I've heard of those bands. When
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: you see a band. Uh, my kid's buddy at high
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: school killed a gold nine, the banded Gold nine. You
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: know we're talking about a band.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: So.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: One of the ways they really kind of uncovered the
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: mysteries of migratory waterfowl is many many decades ago, they started,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know what year, but they started this program
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: where they'll take a they'll put them, they'll catch fledgling birds,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: they'll catch ducks, and they can also use they can
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: also catch adults using trapnets and stuff, and they'll fit
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: them with a metal band with a number with a
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: phone number and a number and it says like if
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: found or if recovered or whatever, call blank number. Because
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: picture you got a duck in Canada in the summertime
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: and you put a band on it. It's hard to
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: believe now, but they didn't know how they went, where
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: they went and how they went. You didn't know like
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: where who went where, And so they would write down
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: where it was when they put the band on it,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: and then they start all these bands start flooding in
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: from hunters getting the ducks, and they were able to
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: put together this very detailed map of like ducks that
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: are here go there, ducks that are here go there,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: which is not well understood prior to that. But when
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: a band gets to be a certain age, it starts
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: to wear. And Mark Pierce was telling me that I
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: can't remember which one it is Oh, the diver ducks.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: For whatever reason, diver ducks bands get worn down faster
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: than puddle duck bands, or the opposite, or.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: If that has anything to do with like the rocks
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: along the coast or something.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Or it could have been the opposite. I can't remember.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: How long does a duck live?
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Well, you're gonna hear one right now. Check this out.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: This is extraordinary though. Well, we killed a crane one time.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: We killed a sandhill crane and the Panhandle of Texas
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: that everybody claimed once they realized they had a band, Like,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: everybody claimed to have gotten that one, and it had
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: been banded as an adult seventeen years earlier in Fairbanks
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. So he killed this guy, kills
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: o Scholder. He couldn't even read the band, the band
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: was soul worn. But he sends it. He sends it
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: into the USGS bird band Lab, and they acid etched
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: the band and they could find they could find the number.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Turns out this bird is the new longevity record for
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: a black scolder. That's not a bit you've been wearing
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: that old enough to drink beer. A twenty one year
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: old wild duck.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, old enough.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: To drink beer.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: So what would average be two? Really?
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. It'd be an easy thing to
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: find out, but no, I mean like a lot of guys.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: You know a lot of guys. You kill a band
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: of duck and you know what you find out? They
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: banned it earlier that year. Yeah, you know, twenty one
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: years old. The previous record was fourteen jeez, you know
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: me decoys and that that bird has been shot at.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure in twenty one years shot.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Uh, they don't ban a lot of those. Oh here's
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: something interesting. This is illegal, but interesting, you.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Like illegal according to your driving.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: So I was talking about one of the most interesting
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: days I've ever spent was in the south southern end
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: of the Philippines, and I spent the day at the
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: cock fights. And guy here says, you have an open
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: invitation to get a hold of me any you're in Kentucky.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I should not read this out loud, MD.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: I want to name drop on this. Yeah, yeah, true.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: He goes on to say, I'm pleasantly surprised to hear
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: you guys are interested in going to some cock fighting.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: There are tons of he goes on, there are tons
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: of hypocrisies by public and lawmakers. They're trying to make
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: it a felony in the state of Kentucky. It's already
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: a felony. Elsewhere Is it legal to pile chickens and
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: their own shit on top of each other their whole
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: life and then drag them out and cut their heads
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: off and throw them in a sink hole? Yep, but
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: you can't cockfight.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: He says.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: Game chickens are taking care of better than most people's dogs.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: So I guess those who uh run in these circles
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: take really good care of those birds.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: The mum not sure about this one until the end.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I learned that through my mung friends that there's the
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the older mung. Cock fighting was very popular with the
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: older munk. But they don't put the they don't use
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: a blade. Is that explaining this?
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how they attach blades to the like?
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, in the Philippines they put like a scythe
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: on them. I mean they put a there's a guy.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: There's like a regulation dude, you know, like in boxing,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: was like like like the kind of you know, you
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: wrap the hands and everything and they check it, like
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: everything's got to be checked to make sure you're you know,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: you don't have like lead inserts or something in your midst. Right,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: there's a dude and like every guy brings his rooster
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: in and and you lash the blades on him over
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: his spurs, this big stainless blade. And then there's a
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: guy that like checks to make sure everything's legit. And
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: when these roosters it's over, like they jump up and
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: do their initial child fight and one of them is
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: not alive anymore because they got blades. But what they're
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: explained about the monk is you don't put blades on them,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: so it's not.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so they're more and you.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Kind of judge it. You kind of judge it. And
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: what will happen is one chicken, one rooster. Well, the
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: minute he backs down, he loses. It's very Yeah, it's
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: much more. It's a much more kinder, gentler cockf It's
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: like you take, like, here's the deal. They're not incentivizing
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: the roosters to fight. The roosters want to fight. I
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: could see you saying that you can't put a blade
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: on him. That makes like I could I could picture that.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: But if like if let's say you're you are at
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: your you say you raise chickens, and you go in
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: the house and then accidentally two of your roosters get
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: in a fight. Are you a felon?
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: I was actually just gonna ask that, what if roosters
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: all mingle and no.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: But if I bring a bunch of people over and
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: we throw some money down, then you are.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Then you are.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Then you're in trouble.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: That's what one guy that wrote in explained to me
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: about it is. He says, what's what's the bad part
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: about it is the beton. The bad part is the
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: beton on what chicken's gonna win. That's all I want
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: to clarify the people. I haven't been to a cockfight.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I've never been to a cockfight in America. I'm not
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: like Joe cockfight.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: When I was living in Pennsylvania, we had twenty nine
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: chickens and the bear one night broke in the chicken
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: coop killed twenty eight. Wow, And the only one that
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: was left was a big old rooster. He had like
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: three inch spurs, and I felt that he would have
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: been a good candidate for a cockfight.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, only a good candidate though, right. Yeah.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Then I actually I was checking traps one day and
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: I had one of his spurs in my trap.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Almost caught him, but just got a spur.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Are you ready for the part now?
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know, am I.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: First off, we went fishing to day. We did, Yeah,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: we went.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we went fishing. We didn't get any We didn't
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: do any catching, but we.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Think about that whole experience though.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: I thought it was awesome. I really did.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: You liked it?
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I mean minus the not catching anything, you know, but
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: that's part of it.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: But it's a hard, hard time of year, yeah, with
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: all the spring runoff.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: But it was and we talked about it some on
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: the way up there. But just uh being out there,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: I mean just you guys have such a pure place
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: to live and film and do. And I mean just
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: the hike up and back was worth the trip in
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: my opinion.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is beautiful. It's frust to not catch them.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: It is frustrating.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: And then you know, and you're in my situation, you
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: got to resist the urge to be like, we caught
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: one right there. We caught one right there.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: When the cameras were uh two miles back.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: We caught one right there, right Yeah.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: It was okay, though, I mean, I in fairness, you
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: did put me on one that I missed, and that
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: was on me.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Those on you he had it engulfed.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: That was on me. Fly that was late.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: It was your fish to catch it was.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: That's all right. I learned my lesson.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good. Though. We talked about he started driving
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: super young. M hm uh. And I was asking you
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: earlier maybe you can explain it. I was saying, if
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: you're gonna ask little kids what they want to be
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: when they grow up, being a race car drivers, like
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: in top five, it's like you could be like a veterinarian.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: They know about that, astronauts they know about they know
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: about being a race car driver.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I know it's just kind of odd but true. Yeah,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: totally right about that.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: But at a point you at a point it looked realistic. Yep.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean honestly, and I don't know how much
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: of that you want me to rego over talk about. Yeah,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: for me, I mean, I I never, I truthfully never
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: wanted to do anything else. I mean, it was always
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: it was always my dream, and I grew up around it.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: My dad raced. You know, so much like your kids
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: are living the outdoors and getting to do things that
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of kids might not be able to do
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: across the country I was racing. Was that way for me,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: I got to see it from a completely different advantage point.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: And you know, for me, my dad was he was
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: a part of the show on a weekly basis, and
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: it was just the most incredible, crazy thing to witness
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: and watch as a five six seven year old when
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: you're just kind of getting old enough to start understanding
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: or partially start to understand what's going on. And it
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: was amazing, And so of course I wanted to try.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I wanted to do that, you know, and give it
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: a shot. And uh yeah, so we started racing go
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: karts and then started taking the necessary steps and in
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: the process of trying to make a path out of it,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: and yeah, off we went and fortunately had enough right
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: opportunities and success at the right time, and all those
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: stars kind of aligned to you know, at least make
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: a career out of it. This far?
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Were you drawn to it because like the way kids
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: are kind of focused on their dads, because at a
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: point that has to go away, right, Like, well, you know,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: when you're little, you know about your dad and you
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: see what he does, You're like, well, I want to
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: do that because I like my dad, but at a point,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: not that you stop liking your dad, but you know,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: you're you're, you're in, your inputs become more complicated than that.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, totally fair question and and true because yeah,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I think there comes a point in time where you
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: at some point have to have some natural interests and
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: you have to become you have to have your own
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: obsession with it, right, or it's just never gonna it's
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: never gonna work. And that definitely happened. I don't know
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: at what age that happened, Probably when things got you know,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: we're starting to get more serious for me racing, I
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: would say probably ten eleven twelve. That probably transitioned from hey,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: I want to go do this because Dad was doing
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: it and it was really cool too. Wow, this is
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: an extremely difficult and rare discipline that I really respect
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: and admire. And that was really where I think the
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: love for it for me exploded, because I realized there
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: was just so much more to the puzzle than meets
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: the eye, and also that way more than I think
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: people ever give it credit for, and just the craft
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: and everything that goes on behind the scenes, and I
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: fell in love with that, and that's really the reason
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: that you know, I enjoy it still to this day, you.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Know, when I look at it, like when we're talking
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: today and you're talking about like you said, like use
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: the word the craft of it right, and the processing
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: processing information very quickly, learning how to try to slow
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: things that seem very fast, short distances that are covered
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: very quickly, to slow it down and understand it like
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: how you do understand a long drive. Yep, all that
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: as like a person not from that world. When I
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: look at it, I think that the number one, like
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: the number one thing going on is that I think
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: these people are very comfortable with death. And I'm like,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: that must be what makes a good racer.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's not.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: It's where you have to be like no, I don't mind,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I don't mind, be right, going two hundred miles an hour,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: six inches off this dude's bumper or whatever. Like that's
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: like to me, like the defining feature is you're comfortable
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I think there is definitely a level of acceptance to
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: the risk for all of us, and there are certainly
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: tracks that carry higher risk than other tracks as it
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: pertains to crashes and injury and just the amount of
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: things that can go wrong, But you know, to your point,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: you're going pretty fast on a weekly basis at most
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: places that we go, and things can happen anywhere. So yeah,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: I definitely think there's a level of acceptance with that.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: But I would say I could speak for probably all
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: of us in the sense that we don't get there.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: It's like I explained to you coming over here. You know,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: if you're driving eighty through downtown Bozman, you're gonna think
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: you're hauling ass. If you're driving eighty on the highway,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: everyone else is doing eighty, so it's not that big
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: of a deal that way. So it's very much the
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: same for us. I can say there's really no thrill
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: anymore about going two hundred. It's not have a heart
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: attack and die, but you wouldn't after you might the
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: first time, but in a month you'd be. It would
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: your your surroundings would become very much more normal to you,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: and and that's totally what happens. So then it's like, so,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: so the thrill factor of it goes away after time,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: and and then you start focusing in on more of
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: like the small, little fine details of how can I
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: push the car a little further, you know, it becomes
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: such a it becomes so much more competition based than
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: it does that. It's it's way more centered around that
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: than it is like, oh wow, you know, just holding
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: on for dear life, going two hundred miles an hour
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: and this is cool and crazy and wow, look at us.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: It's not that's that's just not the mindset. It's it's
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: so much more competition related. And the details that can
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: make someone great versus someone that's good are the most
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: minuscule things that you could ever. I can't even hardly
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: sit here and describe them to you because a lot
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: of it's just tiny little feel things in the car
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: that you're feeling with your butt or with your hands,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: or what you're seeing with your eyes, and and that
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: kind of comes back to the processing things. You know,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: as as quick as things are happening, the slower you
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: can process that stuff, I think, the better it makes
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: a driver.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: You had said something to me that I thought about
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: a bunch since you told me this morning. We're I
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: was talking about what is the what is the entry
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: point for kids coming in? And you talked about like
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: goal cart racing, dirt track racing, and you said, what
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: matters more? What matters more than like what it is
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: is is it competitive?
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah? True?
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: And I started thinking about that because that has like
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I feel that just things from my life, like I
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: went to writing school, and I went to like a
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: very competitive writing program with like really good writers, and
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: you like there's such like a sink or swim kind
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: of thing about it, you know, and and even like
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: guys that become guys that become like really good versatile hunters,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: like people you could bring anywhere, like bring them anywhere
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: and they're going to figure stuff out. A lot of
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: them coming out of competitive app like you got to
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: like work harder, get up earlier, walk farther out, smart outthink.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, like you have to like learn to deal
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: and then that makes it that you develop your expertise.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: But I don't think people think about it like, no,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: you got to look for the.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Competition percent That's my opinion, and someone else might tell
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: you something different, But I think that, you know, when
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: you asked the question, it's well, how do you start?
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: You know, like if if your kids are interested in,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: like what would you go do? And that varies because
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: in some parts of the country asphalt racing might be
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: really strong and healthy and popular. And if it's strong
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: and healthy and popular, odds are it's going to be
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: more competitive. Are there other types of racing you could
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: go do. Yeah, probably so, But if it's not as
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: healthy and popular, then you're probably not getting the same
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: level of competition. So I think it is very much
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: tailored to where you live, where you're from, what part
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: of the country you live in, and what is going
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: to challenge you the most, because if you're not, if
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: you're not challenged, you're you know, at some point that's
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: gonna that's gonna beat you up, you know, And racing
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: is one of those things where you when you get started,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: you know, a family could probably win their way with
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: spending the most money to a point, but at some
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: point that that's going to end. Right, at some point
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: you're going to meet somebody that's as good as you,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: if not better, with the same equipment, and then how
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: do you deal with that? And and I think that's
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: a you know, that's an important piece of of racing
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: because it's you know, at some point down the line
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: that that challenge is is going to grow near and
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: and I think understanding how to how to deal with that,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: you know, to your point kind of that that mindset
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: is is going to help you.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: One day, I'd heard this story through my kids about
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: a kid that like a buddy of there's that was
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: like a dominating force in Bozeman baseball, which is not
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: this is not a baseball town, you know, So like
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: you're dominating force in Bozeman baseball.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Like in high school.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but then he goes down to Florida and
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: then how yeah, and you're like, oh, I had no idea. Yeah,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I mean saying like I had no idea, dude, Yeah.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what I'm talking about, Like that exactly. That's
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: a great example and I'll probably use that one day
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: because that's, uh, that's a great way to put it.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: And and totally this along the exact same lines I
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: was talking.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're saying that maybe kind of rethink some of
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: that stuff, be like, well, yeah, why do all these
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: like you know, like Texas cranks out, you know, great football,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: you know, Florida craiks, all these great baseball players and
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: like is it like the water you know, and why
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: is it being well, yeah, it's like you're saying, it's
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: like you've You've created a place where people have to
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: dig deeper and deeper and deeper to stay on top,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: and you can't just ease on top.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Exactly, and you can do it all year long down there.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: There's Yeah, that's a big part too. We talk about
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: that too.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that, that's a fact for that, that's
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: totally a factory. You know, out here for sure for
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: the at least for baseball and you know, golf, if
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: you're into that, out here be a struggle to play
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: for two months?
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Do you think are you just is it like more
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: about competition or is it more about cars? Like if
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: you didn't if you didn't race, would you be would
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: you do you feel that you would have found some
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: other thing to compete in.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I could see it, for sure. I don't know what
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: that would be. But I just I love sports just
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: in general. I'm just a huge sports fan. I love
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: watching I'm not going to sit here and tell you
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: I know everything about every other sport, but I certainly
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: appreciate the discipline of other sports, and you know, some
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: of the greatness and the greats that that play it
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: or are part of it. So having said that I
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: could see it, I don't know what it would have been.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: I wasn't super good at anything else, but I also
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: didn't you know, in fairness, I never really devoted a
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: lot of time to any other sport, but I could
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: have certainly seen me trying, you know, if.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Nothing else, competition trout, fishermen.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Maybe that, maybe that.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Are you good at golf? You play golf?
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Get check out those brook trout You talk?
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, are you like, could you go pro at golf?
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely not?
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: No?
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: No.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: What was it like when you so you go through
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: all the what don't I don't know? I was going
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: to ask you, you go through all the steps that
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're like, you know, your first
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: NASCAR race? What are the steps? Help me understand? Like
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: what is like the thing you got? You know, it's
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: like t like like t ball, little league, you know,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: like where does it go?
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Well, kind of goes back to where you live and
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: how you start. But for me, it was when I
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: first got into racing, you know, which was kind of
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: those early days of I want to do this because
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Dad was doing it right. Uh. At that point it
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: was we were living in Georgia and there were some
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: small dirt go kart tracks around North Georgia, just within
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: you know, hour and a half two hours of the house,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: and we went and you know, race some go kart
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: races on the weekends, like good go karts. Yeah, like fast,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: you know, fairly fast or of six or well, I
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: guess I was probably closer to eight, but seven or
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: eight year old, so like within reason, we're not doing
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: anything crazy, but you know, it was it was competitive
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: for sure, and also really popular at that time in
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: that area, which was a good thing, you know, kind
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: of going back to our previous point. And so yeah,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: from the go karts at that time, Dad was just
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: quitting racing full time. So we moved out to Colorado
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: and we were out there for two or three years,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: and I wanted to race, and really the only thing
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: out there to race was go karts but asphalt and
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: road courses.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: So did that.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: For you know, two or three years while we were
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: living out there, and really kind of came to a crossroads.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: I guess I was kind of the reason why we
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: moved back because I at that point thought I wanted
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: to keep racing and trying to race, and there really
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: just wasn't anything else to race out West, or at
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: least out in that area that was close, and you
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: know you're gonna end up traveling a long ways to
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: do it, and didn't really have the facilities to do
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: it and shot, you know, a good race shop and
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: things like that. So we ended up moving back to
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Georgia to kind of help me pursue the racing thing.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: And so your old man got out of it and
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: moved out west and then all of a sudden, you're like, well,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I want a piece of it too, and then he
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: packs up, everybody moves back.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I ruined it for him. So sorry, sorry
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: about his retirement trail, but I definitely ruined that one.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so we moved back to Georgia, and that
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: was really at that point. I think that was kind
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: of when it started to transition from hobby fun, weekend
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: endeavor to hey, we're either going to get kind of
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: serious about this and not that you can't go have fun,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: because it was you know, still having fun is important,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: but it was, hey, we need to have an understanding
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: like this is you know, getting more expensive, and there's
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: a lot going on and and.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: So you're spending money before you make money.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I can imagine, dude. Yeah, And that's part
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: of it, you know, for sure, And that's the case
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: for anyone in motorsports, unfortunately, and it's just to what
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: level can you support that, you know, whether people support
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: that personally or you know, for us, it was a
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: little bit of a mix from you know, dad having
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: a good career obviously and being able to help. But
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: then we had good partners too, they kind of help
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: offset some of that. But even for us, there was
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: a point and my dad was really clear on this
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: to me at a young age. He's like, hey, you know,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: I can we can keep doing this like we're doing it,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: but it's not forever. You know, I'm not gonna do
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: this forever. Either We're going to get to a point
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: and somebody's gonna have to help or this is it,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: you know. And and I understood that, you know, and
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: and so at that point, and probably a little before
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: that conversation, I knew that and really started to try
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: my best to take things as serious as I could
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: and you know, still enjoy it, but but just I
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: knew in the back of my mind, like, hey, this
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: is no longer a game, you know, not that it
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: ever was, but but it's really not a game. Anymore.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: And if I'm going to make an effort at this,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give it everything I have and I'm
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: going to make sure that you know, I appreciate everything
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: that all the people that are helping me do this
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: right now, you know, given my all and and you know,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: try to make a proper run at it. And so
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: that's what we did. You know, unfortunately it you know,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: it worked out.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: So when when is it that you go and uh,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: like there's thirty eight races year, thirty four, thirty eight,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: thirty eight. Yeah, okay, what was the first time you are.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: In like in NASCAR?
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: NASCAR?
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: So my first Cup race was in uh twenty sixteen. No,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, my first Cup race was in fifteen and
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: I ran like five that year. So NASCAR had a
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: thing I was racing nationwide, like you talked about on
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: the thing that changed to what's now called the Infinity Series.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: It's like the basically college level college football to NFL,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: I guess would be the best way to put it.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: So I did that full time in twenty fourteen and
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. At the time, NASCAR had a rule that
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: you could run up to like five or six races
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: before your rookie campaign that didn't like take away your
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: rookie status. So it was almost like a lead in
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: to your rookie year. So in twenty mentor program, which
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I needed and probably still need today, but nonetheless, we
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: you know, went in and at that time it had
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: been announced that Jeff Gordon was retiring, and you know,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: I was going in that car the next year. I
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: knew who my crew was going to be and all that.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: So basically my crew chief, who is still my crew
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: chief now, He and Jeff and Rick and I don't
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: remember who else, but kind of got together and picked
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: five races that they felt like was going to be
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: the best five for me to go do. So those
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: are my first Cup starts in twenty fifteen, and they
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: were some they were some good ones, for sure. They
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: were tough races and they picked those for a reason
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: because they knew that they were going to be challenges
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: the next year and the next year and the year
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: after that, and so you know, that was my first one.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: It was at Martinsville in twenty fifteen, and yeah, it
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: didn't go well, but we went and made the show
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: and got it kicked off.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: We had this former NFL player Derek Wolf, and he
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: was mentioned something that I had me before about coming
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: up in the league, as you're coming up as a
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: rookie and you're young, and he's like, an, all of
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: a sudden, you're on the field and it's like you're
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: on the field with guys you've been watching weird for
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: ten years. And he said there's actually like a starstruck
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: element to it for some people where you'd be like,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: oh my god, there's Tom Brady right and you're supposed
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: to tackle him or whatever. And he says, you're kind
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: of like overwhelmed by You got to put it out
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: of your head. But all of a sudden, you're like
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: with the people that motivated you and inspired you to
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: get in there. Yep, you know it's gotta be a
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: little bit like that.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: It was, yeah, very much that way.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: They're like, oh my god, there's that one dude.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I was. I mean, you know Tony Stewart,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: who I was, you know, a big fan of and
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: a guy that I looked up to. He was racing,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: he was still full time at that point. You know,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Jimmy Johnson, Casey Kane, like all that those guys were
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: in the show that weekend, and uh yeah, I mean,
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: I'm sure everybody's been through that that's grown up watching
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: a sport, that has ever had the opportunity to go
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: and play a race or be a part of it.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: And yeah, there's a transitional point of kind of just
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: being in awe of being there, to trying to earn
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: your place, to establishing you know, your position is as
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: being a competitor to those guys and not their friends
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: or not their fans, you know anymore. And not that
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: you can't like a guy or still be a fan
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: of theirs, but you're in there. You know, you're in there,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: and it's a you know, it's definitely a competitive environment,
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: and at some point that you know, that totally changes.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Uh talk about whole something. Another thing that had never
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: occurred to me before. How blazing hot it isn't there?
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little, a little toasty for sure.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Definitely one of the main problems.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: It is, it is. I don't know how hot it
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: gets anymore, I don't, I don't. I can't remember what
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: a good number is. Probably one hundred and fifteen twenty
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: or something in the cars that sound right ish when
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: they have like a thermometer, But yeah, hot, nonetheless, and
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: that's what we were talking about. You know, so much
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: of what we do, I think is kind of hard
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: to train for because what other activity do you do
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: that you know, the environment's really hot, you have an
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: extremely high heart rate, but you don't have a lot
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: of physical movement, you know, and that's just that those
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: are three things that are kind of hard to piece together.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: But I do think from a cardio standpoint, that's probably
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: you know, the biggest one that can help hydration, I
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: would say is another one. And then ultimately I think
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: those two things combined together is kind of your ultimate goal.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: And all of it is just heart rate control and
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: you know, trying to keep your heart rate down.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: What do you do to do it? Because that's like
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: a big Like you talk to a competitive spear fishermen,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: free divers, they got all these they got all these
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: tricks and methods for it. But a lot of times
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: you're just laying on the surface of the water and
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: you don't need to be doing anything else.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Like all you're doing is getting your heart rate under
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: control and focusing on your breathing. You can close your
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: eyes if you want, and you're in You're buoyant at surface.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: So it's like you're doing all these tricks, but that's all.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: You're not doing anything else. You're not moving two hundred
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: miles an hour. Right, Yeah, So like, how do like
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: do you actually keep your heart rate under control, meaning
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: through methodology or does it just mean that you just
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: hope your heart you just hope your heart rate stays normal.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: Ah. I mean, I think it's probably more of a
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: mental gain than it is anything and so much of
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: you know, another thing that I think makes a guy
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: good versus great is the ones who can be most
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: comfortable in the uncomfortable parts of the racetrack or parts
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: of a corner. There's always a you know, anywhere you
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: go any racetrack on any given weekend, there's going to
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: be a part of a racetrack that is the most
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable place like that that that is going to be
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: a thing regardless of where you're at and what you're doing.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: And typically the guys that are least bothered by that
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: are going to excel, you know, the most. And you know,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: I think having your heart rate or control and being
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: comfortable in whatever that environment or that challenge is that
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: weekend is just setting yourself, you know, setting yourself up
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: better for success because you know you're comfortable in those positions,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: and I think that makes a big difference. What about
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: the track that makes it uncomfortable? What about it? Yeah,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: like you said, there's like a portion, there's typically a portion.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: What is it?
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: I would say, generally speaking, most of the time it's
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: on corner entry. You know, corner entry typically is the
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: most uncomfortable part of the track because you're going the
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: fastest as you're going to go at the end of
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: the straight way, and typically you go through a transitional
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: point on track where you go from a flat surface
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: to a bank surface. But you've got to get there
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: and you've got to start your turn, you know, somewhere
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: and all that. So you know, you trying to push
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: the limits of the tires, whether you know you're right
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: front tire, the right rear tire, whatever limitation you're trying
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: to push up to the edge of U is going
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: to be exposed the most in that spot just because
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: of the lack of banking and the speed you're carrying
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: at that point.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: Gotcha, do you think that relates to hunting as far
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: as like being comfortable in the uncomfortable as far as
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: when you're out way out in the back country, are
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: you comfortable in that environment or is it trying to
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: adjust to No.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: That's I think that's in some situations that's huge. But
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: there's also it takes a ton of funy because if
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: you talk to guys that I mean, this isn't me.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: You talk to guys that are really into uh bowhunting
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: white tails, and they'll go in November and they'll sit
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: strapped to a tree from the time it gets well
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: thirty forty minutes before it gets light out to the
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: time it gets dark. Right, it's maddening. It's maddening. It's
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: not like uncomfortable like you imagine, like climbing up a
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: never ending hill is uncomfortable, but it's like not, you
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: have to be extremely dedicated to do that. Yeah, it's
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: there's a mental game, right, it's just like you're just stuck.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: What if you're like taking a piss, Taking a piss.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Is hard, it's hard to eat, and like it's it's
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: not hard like yeah, it's not like you're doing a
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: bunch of bench presses, but it's hard, Like it's just mentally,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: there's there's so many things like that where you guys
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: get into something and it just or another one be
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: people that are really like disciplined about duck hunting, you know,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: And it sounds crazy, but it's like you're up at
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: three in the morning and you're up at three in
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: the morning. You're up at three in the morning, you're
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: up with three in the morning. Like anyone with any
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: obsession pushes it to where it gets where it pushes
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: it to where it's it's kind of like lunacy, and
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: just like they push it to where it becomes just uncomfortable,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: you know. And then there's all the other stuff like
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: cold and all that. But yeah, people do things. We
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: do this, We do this moose hunt, which is almost
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: like like mentally physically you're not doing anything, but to
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: sit in the same spot for ten days, that'd be tough.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: That's hoping tough, and see see pretty much nothing.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Some days you see like you sit there, you go down.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: It's a twelve hour, thirteen hour sit in some days
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: in twelve thirteen hours you don't see any four legged
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: animals and you you every twenty thirty minutes you call
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: make a moose noise, and you're like, yeah, man, on
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: day nine, day ten, maybe one's gonna come out of that,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: one's gonna come out of the woods. So being like,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: is it really that hard to sit? Yeah, dude, it is.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: But I like along the same lines, like if you're
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: tracking down a bear, like and I guess, is there
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: any point and maybe this is where you were going
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: with it, but like whether it be concern of coming
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: up on another animal or if you're trying to intercept
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: the path that an animal is going on, you know,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: like a calmness or a sense of I don't know,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: like any discomfort in doing that that would be important
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: of trying to mentally stay locked in through or.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: I think that the guys that are really good, Well,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: there's one thing that relates more to the my initial
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: interpretation of like comfortable being uncomfortable is is just putting
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: one foot in front of the other. That we walked
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: a couple miles a day, right, Like we'll picture that
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: you walked five times further, six times further. Like there's
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: a point at which like just one foot in front
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: of the other. There's some things where that becomes very hard,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: and it really makes it that there's certain kinds of activities,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: there's certain kind of hunts that most people and I mean, like,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: like most people, the vast majority of people, even the
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: ones that that that, like, the vast majority of people
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: that would want to cannot physically do that. Right. Most
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: people look at like like going on a mountain goat
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: hount or going on a doll sheep hount or whatever.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Like most people and most of the people that would
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: want to do that can't do that. It's just physically
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: too demanding. There is a thing with guys that are
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: really good is yeah, just not being excitable. And and
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: there's like there's a huge there's a huge safety element.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: Like I can't stand when people I can't stand being
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: around people that are excitable when something happens, Like there's
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: water coming into the boat.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Right, obviously there's water in the boat.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I would prefer it to be hey,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: there's water coming into the boat like like but like
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: the flippy hoity, like I hate when people like people
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: that are That's one of the things I tell my
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: kids all the time is I'm just like pounding in
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: like just don't don't be excitable. Just calm down, slow down,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: think about it. When something happens the other day I
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: left a handtowel on the burner that caught on fire.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: My daughter like freaked out for a second, and I
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: put it out and then she said I she was bummed.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: She's like, I should just put it out. I'm like, yeah,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: it's cool. I'm glad you recognize that you can start
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: doing that at home. You should just calmly. You should
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: have calmly put it out. But she recognized it. And
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: that's not like, that's not specific to that's not even
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: a specific to like hunting, fishing. It's specific to outdoor.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure there's other versions too, like military versions,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: fire stuff whatever. But like you find it with about
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: mountaineers earlier, you know, like like guys that get into
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: the crazy stuff with mountains, rock climbers, whatever, Like they
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: get a uh, they just get very unexcitable and very chill.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: And I think that if you do a lot of
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: outdoor pursuits where you're in situations like we spend a
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: lot of time in big water in small boats, you know,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: and it's like it breeds, it breeds in you, like
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: just just being calm. You know. Pilots have like a
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: picture if you had a panicky pilot, you know.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: One like that.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: No, you listen to those. You listen to those like
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: the recordings, black box recordings. The guys that are going down,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: they're not screaming, and you know what I mean a
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: lot of them to the very end are calmly talking
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: about the problem.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: Trying to figure it out.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like that dude's gonna die and he
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: knows it, but still he's like, we're gonna check this,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: we're checking out shot on this, trying to you know, like,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know where you get that from. I think
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: that you. I do know where you get it from. Uh,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: there's probably people that are born with it, and then
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: there's probably there and there's people that develop it.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: And I mean you're teaching your kids that.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Currently, So I can't stand hanging out with excitable.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: People's nothing wrong with that.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: In any way, Like I hate it like that kind
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: of like, oh my god, I might just stop doing it.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: Chill.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: It's a bear, you know, Hey, there's a bear over
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: he does a bear? Come perfect, We're gonna have to
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: deal with him in a minute.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: What else?
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: I heard a rumor that these days that these days
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: it's ninety percent the car oh man, not this ten
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: percent the driver. The driver is an afterthought.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: They're probably right.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: Do you think about that?
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: They're probably right.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: I said, it's it's a.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Car backing up. No, I don't think that.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: I don't think that's exactly right.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: What's what's the difference between like Chevy Ford Toyota Just
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: the motor.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: The motor and and the bodies are a little different,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: a little different, all very close now for the simple
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: reason that NASCAR creates the box of which you have
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: to live in, and you, you know, so if there's
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: a certain number of whatever it is that you have
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: to get to, you might add up a little differently
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: to get there, but you kind of end up in
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: the same place. So like, for instance, maybe the best
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: example I can give is like some engine, you know,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: So if it's Chevy versus a four word, you know,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: a Chevy in the power curve, they might both make
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: you know, whatever the number is six hundred and seventy
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: horse power or whatever they have us restricted to now,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: but they might make a their power curve or torque
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: numbers might be different at seventy five hundred versus eighty
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: nine hundred. So you see what I mean, you kind
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: of end up in the same place, but you might
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: have a little bit of a different makeup to get
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: you there.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was surprised that when you get in there,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: it's not like you have like a car.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: No, that is an extreme, very popular misconception.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I pictures you've got like a car. You
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: got like a mechanic that has a lot of secret
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: tricks that no one else knows.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: Not as much anymore. But no, you don't have one car.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: You have I think there's like seven I think seven
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: center sections are assigned to a car number a year,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: and then you can kind of divide those up how
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: you want to and where you want to race them,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: depending upon you know, like you might have a different
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: you might have your body configured a little different for
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: a speedway versus where you know that would be a
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: place that you would want to just have as much
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: drag off the car as you can get it, just
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: to go as fast and as straight line as possible.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: Whereas if we go to say Kansas this weekend, and
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: we want to have more downforce on our car because
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: we want it to handle better. Well with downforce comes track,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: So you might have that car configured a little differently
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: from aero perspective for Kansas versus Daytona. So you have
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: these different car builds that you would take to different racetracks,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: and generally speaking, we don't take the same car to
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: the track two weeks in a row unless we just
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: really like a car and we ran really good with it,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: and then they might turn around and go again. But
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: otherwise it's going to get a week off or two
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: weeks off, and they'll go and kind of remissage everything
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: and you put it back together. Do you run a
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: motor once three times three times? Ye, and then it's done?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: Or do you rebuild it? Or they'll rebuild it. I
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: don't know exactly three races out of a motor. Three
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: races out of a motor, yeah, which is more than
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: it's ever been. Hell used to They they would have
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: a Friday practice motor, a qualifying motor, a Saturday practice motor,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: and a race motor on Sunday and they rebuild all
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: of them for the next week. Geez, man, are you serious,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: that's crazy.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I don't want to pry, but he's going to. Yeah. Well, no,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: it doesn't need to be it doesn't need to be personal. Okay,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: explain the economics of U explain the economics of being
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: a driver? Yeah, because it's not like you got to
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: go buy all the car that's your team. Yeah, what
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: are the economics of a driver? Just pick some random
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: ass driver his economics.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know. The best way I can describe it
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: to you is basically, all drivers are private contractors to
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: whatever race team they work for. So if I work
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: for I work for Hendrick Motorsports. So I'm basically a
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: contractor of Hendrick Motorsports. You know, I work for them.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: Rick is my boss and he pays me.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: You're a contractor, so you don't get like health insurance
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: and stuff through them. You're a freelance dude.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're in charge of all that now, your contract
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: You know, you're not just a freelance dude. You know,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: I'm very much employed by HMS. But you are responsible
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: for all the things you're talking about, whether like health
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: insurance and a sort of thing.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: Is it hard to get insurance?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: Not? Not really. No, I would say.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: There's a market like do you skydive or whatever? Do
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: you like race? Yeah?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Well there are a lot of race car drivers, right
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: and you know, around the world in different forms of motorsports.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: So there are companies out there that kind of specialize
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: in that.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you sign a contract and how many years
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: is a normal contract.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: Anywhere from probably.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: Two to five, and then there's like some kind of
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: base component all winnings.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: Uh no, they're they're well, it depends, and this is
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: where it could be different for whoever. Some guys could have.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: You could have a base number. Some guys could have
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: could be totally percentage based on on the you know,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: how the races go in the purse of of any
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: given race weekend, or you could even have a hybrid.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: You could have a little bit of both. And I
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: don't think anybody's is really one and the same.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: Got it. But then when you win, like your name's
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: attached to it, but the team wins. Yeah, like when
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: when they write the big winners check, they don't write
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: the winners check to the driver.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: That's correct. Yeah, so the winners check would go to
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: the team because you know they're fielding the car. It's
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: their car, and you know it's their team, right, so
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: they the teams get paid, you know, for from the
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: purse from NASCAR for whatever the you know, the purses
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: or the winnings that we can.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: And will you spend your whole career at one team
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: or not? You most guys spend their whole career at
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: one team.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: I would say it's not super common to to do that.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen a lot of people, you know,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: jump around over the years, even guys that you wouldn't
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: have expected to jump around and do something different. Me personally,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: I would love to spend my career with one team.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: I've been been at it with him for ten years now,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: so I hope I don't have to, you know, go
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: anywhere else or do anything else for sure.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: And now you guys are like when you retire, you
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: might retire at forty definitely by fifty.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: Right, I would hope, And then you just kick it.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: You just fish.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it depends. It depends on the guy, right, Like,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know that I could. I don't know that
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: I could fish every day, Like I think I would
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: probably still want something to do, like some sort of challenge.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: Or turkey hunt or that. But you know what I mean,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: I do, but I don't I could sew happily like
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: I could so happily just screw around all day every
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: day and maybe if I could pull my kids out
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: of school, if they didn't have to go to school,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: I would very very happily every day just screw around
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: the how old are you fifty one?
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: I see, I'm not there yet. I don't know. Yeah,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: maybe maybe I.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: Could have very happily just screwed around all the time.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: And maybe so Yeah to me, man, I picture like
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: if I could somehow if they didn't have like laws
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: about kids going to school, and then stut the deal
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: with my wife too, because she likes them to be
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: in school. But I imagine that you'd like your kids wouldn't
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: be in school and you would just hunt and.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: Fish, I mean, and that could work well.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: Me run into financial issues and stuff, you.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: Know, as long as you can, as long as you
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: can sponsor it, it could work. Yeah.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I'm wrong. My wife's not working for a
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: while right now, and she's kind of feeling the itch.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: He wants to work.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: She wonders about it. She worked her whole life. She
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: just only took a little break.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: She's taking a little break, we'll tell her.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: And during her break, she's kind of like weighing this
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: whole thing out, like do you really like what do
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: you do you know it's.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: Nice she's getting bored.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: No, she just is.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: She's considering what exactly what you're saying, And.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, is this you know, do you get comfortable in this?
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Do you then go and do a new thing. She's
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: just trying to figure out what it feels like.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, if she turkey hunted and fished, it'd
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: be probably different.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: See that's her problem, dude. Yeah, she like, that's a problem.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: She likes a lot of stupid stuff. I was like,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: if you didn't like, I tell her if the things
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: you didn't like, the things you like are so stupid,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: that's why you're having this struggle. If I was in
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: your situation, I'd be stuff and I'd be quite happy
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: and brave. So anything else you want to ask about
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: share about.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think so, not unless you, I don't know,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: have anything else you want to cover.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: No, hanging out with you has totally changed my like
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: my reception of uh of watching that activity.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: That's good. Yeah, I mean I think about.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Look at all those people with it death wish.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I mean I think there's a lot that
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: is probably misunderstood about you know, what we do and yeah,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: just so much about the discipline that is never conveyed
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: and it's really hard to understand. And I totally get that.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: And because, like we were talking earlier, you can't go
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: to the sporting good store and buy a race car,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: you know, and that's so because of that, it's a
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: hard thing to explain. And it kind of is a
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: niche sport. You you really have to dive into it
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: and be willing to learn about it, you know, in
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: order to get the full appreciation for it.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not going to stumble into it, right, Yeah.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: One last thing I do I keep coming around to
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: the to the the hazards of it. What percent of
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: like roughly what percent of of racers have like a
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: career ending injury or their career ends because of injury
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: or their career ends because of of of a fatality?
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: Is it significant?
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously as time has gone on, I would
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: say in all forms of motorsports, the percentage of both
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: of those has decreased quite a lot over the years,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: but still not impossible for sure. Most recently, Kurt Busch,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: I would say, was a guy that am I thinking, right, Yeah,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: I'd have to be Kurt that had a career ending
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: head injury, you know, that sidelined him for what he
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: thought was going to be a brief period of time
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: and basically never recovered. You know, from a concussion standpoint,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: he might be okay now, you know, but that had
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: been you know, I think some years had passed by,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: so things are a lot safer, you know, today than
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: they were fifteen years ago or something. But you know,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: certainly that stuff is never out of the question, you know.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: I think we all kind of understand the risk and
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: kind of what's involved in what we do, and it's
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: never impossible.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: How dumb were the questions I asked you compared to
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: when you do post race.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: Interviews, You're they weren't dumb. I didn't think your questions
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: were dumb, but also too like you're learning about something
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: you don't know anything about, whereas like post race interviews,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: you're being asked by people who literally watch it every weekend.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I've watched you do post race interviews, and
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: I've watched, Uh, you just you kind of keep it,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: you keep it tight.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I try to. Yeah, I try to. You know,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: it's yeah, it and also to so much of it
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: depends on like how your day went, and they like
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: to ask about conflicts on the track. Yeah, that's their
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: favorite thing to talk about. You know, it's just conflicts
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: because that gets some of the most views and just don't.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: Take the base.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: They like when you guys get out and fighting. They
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: love it. Yeah, they love it, but then they want
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: to find you for it. But they're going to advertise
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: that they love it. Yeah.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: You know. Uh, that's funny because my daughter plays hockey
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: and they don't you know, they're not allowed to fight yet.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at what age do you?
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know what he's just they're supposed to start fighting.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: But I feel in my heart, I'm like, I wish
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: she would hit that kid. You know, it breeds it,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because it's boys and girls
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: mixed together. So when a boy roughser I'm always sticking
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: in my head like I wish you'd clobber that boy.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: Boy. Yeah. How often do you run into conflict on
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: the track? I mean it just depends, like you might
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: get you might go a season where you don't have
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: any conflicts, and then you might go a season where
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: you have you know, two or three or something like
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: when I say two or three, I mean like major ones. Yeah,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have minor conflicts on track, you know, throughout
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: a year, probably a handful, you know, average on average,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: I would say, but it just depends like it can go.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: It can go either way. Gotcha.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: You think you'd come back and fish when it's better fishing.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: I really would like to.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: I sure owe it to you. I feel like you
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: did good.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, did the best you could I thought. I
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: mean you you put me on fish and I failed.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: That's on me.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: March cold can be real good, depending on a handful
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: of things. Uh, Late June, July can be real good.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: August get a little nasty and hot. Yeah, the fall
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: I don't fish. You don't know I don't fish. Yeah,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a signed because I don't fish in
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: the fall.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: It's fair.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: Someone told me about it. They have a rule no
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: talking about fishing during hunting season. So that's the months
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: you gotta come back. Come back in late June.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: Late june's the month.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll go and fish the high country.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: I'd love to, I really would, you.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: Know, I'd love to take you out and uh and
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: and for real, you know, yeah, catching.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: Them more catching than fishing is always catching them.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: Now that you're all trained up.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: I'm ready to get well.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on the show man and listen.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: Really appreciate everybody for having us, for taking us out today.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: I know you know there was some work involved in all.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: That, so thank you. Fun. It was a lot of fun.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we we appreciated it. I had fun. I know
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: we didn't catch anything, but it was still good to
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: get outside and enjoy what you guys have out here.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: So thank you.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: And then, uh, people hang out with are going to
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: forever for the rest of life. Be annoyed when I
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: talk about what really goes on with race car drivers
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: subject matter. It's not like that. It's not like that.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: It's it's fun. Listen.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: You can tell them whatever you want.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: You can make up.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: Any story you want and go with it. You have
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: my full permission.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time and spend a lot
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: of time with those guys. I'll tell you what they're thinking.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: Perfect trust all right, Thanks man, appreciate.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: It, Thank you, good luck in Kansas. Thank you.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: Yes,