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The Assassination of Malcolm X: Pt. 1 · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Destroy wance, did I true? I'm a check out that
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  Speaker 1: true things.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 2: Adam Todd Brown joining me as co host from a
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  Speaker 2: very remote distance so we don't kill each other with
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  Speaker 2: infectious diseases. A Tiff Myers, Hey, tell the people about yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody, Tiff Myers, we are I don't know if you
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  Speaker 1: explain which podcast is yet, but he got a black
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  Speaker 1: Muslim to talk about another black Muslim and a city
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  Speaker 1: stand up, So yeah, that's really about me right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like the assassination of Malcolm X should
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  Speaker 2: be a podcast that wasn't just all white people in
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  Speaker 2: the room, And this podcast normally isn't all white people
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  Speaker 2: in the room, so might have been fine anyway. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna be honest, You're the only Muslim
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: Really I think, so, yeah, it's not a lot of
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  Speaker 1: us running around. I'll be like, like, especially in.
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  Speaker 2: The LA comedy community, which seems to well, when I
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  Speaker 2: say the LA comedy community, I mean the people I
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  Speaker 2: know in the LA comedy community. It could be riddled
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  Speaker 2: with Muslims for all I know. But yeah, that's where
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I knew more Muslims when I lived
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  Speaker 2: in South Dakota.
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  Speaker 1: Really, yeah, I worked with a bunch that's fucking crazy.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like it should be that way, but
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  Speaker 2: it feels like it is in fact that way.
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  Speaker 1: Dude. But to be fair, I think is like fifteen
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  Speaker 1: of us.
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  Speaker 2: Like in La or in the LA comedy community like
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  Speaker 2: in La. Yeah, that sounds about right.
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  Speaker 1: It's like fifteen of us. But there's also like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of like the black dudes that are also Musslim,
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  Speaker 1: but they will never tell you until it's like Ramadan
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  Speaker 1: and they start complaining about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I had a friend in in high school and
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  Speaker 2: it's like I had a friend in high school whose
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  Speaker 2: dad was that way, Like he wasn't Muslim until it
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  Speaker 2: was time to give the kids gifts at Christmas and
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  Speaker 2: then devout Muslim. It was great.
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  Speaker 1: That's how I found out I wasn't. Actually when I
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  Speaker 1: was younger, it was during Christmas and I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: where's the gifts? Then that guy was puzzled.
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  Speaker 2: Now I should I should mention that a tiff is
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  Speaker 2: actually this is the first like post Corona virus podcast
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  Speaker 2: we're recording. The studio is shut down to.
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  Speaker 1: Which is still like so crack, like I would have
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  Speaker 1: been down to come in today just like all me
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  Speaker 1: and shit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been like I disinfected shit, but god, it's
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  Speaker 2: just like I once the NBA shut down, I was like, well,
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  Speaker 2: who am I to keep the studio open if the
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  Speaker 2: NBA is shutting down. I'm obviously not drawing the same crowds,
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  Speaker 2: but it just something something about the NBA shutting down.
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  Speaker 2: That was the night where I was like, yep, we're
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  Speaker 2: just gonna record remote podcasts from now on. And I
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  Speaker 2: had you booked not as a remote podcast you were
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  Speaker 2: going to come in, but fortunately, yeah, you have the
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  Speaker 2: facilities to record on your end.
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  Speaker 1: So here we are, dude again. Every once you see
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  Speaker 1: like money making institutions like the n CUBA was the
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  Speaker 1: one where I was like, these guys exploit kids, and
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  Speaker 1: they shut down to not exploit kids, Like this is crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the NCUBA held on till the very end, like
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  Speaker 2: they were canceling tournaments at halftime. It was crazy. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm kind of committed to not just like doing exclusively
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  Speaker 2: coronavirus content while the nation is on lockdown. So we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about the assassination of Malcolm X for a couple episodes.
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  Speaker 1: We did this.
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  Speaker 2: We did a similar thing with JFK, where the first
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  Speaker 2: episode was about the official version of events, kind of
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  Speaker 2: a background of things, and then our next episode will
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  Speaker 2: be about the conspiracy theory version. I guess you want
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  Speaker 2: to call it, But in cases like this, I tend
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  Speaker 2: to lean toward the conspiracy theory version.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like the Malcolm X conspiracy quote unquote is one
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  Speaker 1: of the few, like black conspiracies that are just mainstream,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting that you say that because I've brought Malcolm
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  Speaker 2: X up recently and the reception I got, granted it
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  Speaker 2: was from a white dude, but the reception I got
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  Speaker 2: was that, oh, well, no, we know how that happened.
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  Speaker 2: It was the Nation of Islam that killed him, and like.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, was it, Like it was probably, but was it
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  Speaker 1: I think they were like collaborators.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely seems that way. But there's always like, yes,
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  Speaker 2: the Nation of Islam probably is in theory responsible, but
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  Speaker 2: all of these assassinations in the sixties, like there's so
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  Speaker 2: many that happened all at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's in a five to eight year span, right, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like there was Mady was sixty three, this was like
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  Speaker 1: sixty six, sixty eight six, and like MLK was like
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  Speaker 1: sixty eight.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and then Bobby Kennedy too, and not about Bobby
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  Speaker 2: Kans And then there's also all of the Black Panther
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  Speaker 2: leaders who got assassinated. Yeah, like this was a crazy time.
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  Speaker 2: Like I tell people all the time, I think when
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  Speaker 2: it's all said and done and we look back on history,
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  Speaker 2: I think we'll find that the United States actually had
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  Speaker 2: the most brutal intelligence agency. And I think and I
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  Speaker 2: think we'll point to the sixties as proof of that.
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  Speaker 2: But so many of these assassinations, Like there's conspiracy theories
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  Speaker 2: around JFK, there's conspiracy theories around Bobby Kennedy, there's conspiracy
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  Speaker 2: theories around Martin Luther King Junior. But I don't think
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  Speaker 2: and Malcolm X also like I don't think anyone takes
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  Speaker 2: those theories seriously, and I feel like we should.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see that. I mean with Kennedy JFK,
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  Speaker 1: I think that one's taking like the most serious because
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  Speaker 1: it's always constantly being brought up. Yeah, Like I want
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  Speaker 1: to say, whenever, it's like a silow news cycle. The
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  Speaker 1: National Choir be like who really killed JFK, Like it's
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  Speaker 1: always still in the forefront.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, but I feel like it's even when
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  Speaker 2: it's brought up, the people who bring it up are
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  Speaker 2: treated kind of like weirdos. And that's yea and the
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  Speaker 2: idea that Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't solely responsible, like you're
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  Speaker 2: you're kind of looked at as a crazy person if
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  Speaker 2: you believe there might be an alternate explanation. And I
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  Speaker 2: feel like there would be the same thing surrounding MLK
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  Speaker 2: and Malcolm X if they weren't black, because it I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, like I feel like MLK and Malcolm X
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  Speaker 2: both And I don't know if we've ever done a
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy episode about Martin Luther King Junior, which we should
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  Speaker 2: because that's like that's a conspiracy theory where even the
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  Speaker 2: family is like, yeah, like that guy probably didn't do it.
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  Speaker 2: It was probably the government, Like they sued the fucking
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  Speaker 2: government and won.
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  Speaker 1: But like nobody talks about it, no, And even in
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  Speaker 1: school books, in history books, they're just like he got
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  Speaker 1: assassinated at the end, like they never nobody ever really
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  Speaker 1: delves into it.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And it's like that's kind of the problem, Like
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  Speaker 2: everyone is, who was it that assassinated MLK according to
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  Speaker 2: history books? What is that guy's fuck fucking name? Why
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  Speaker 2: can't I think of James are Array. I remembered it
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  Speaker 2: without googling it at the same time, you, yeah, like
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  Speaker 2: James are Array didn't probably did not kill Old Martin
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  Speaker 2: Luther King Junior.
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  Speaker 1: No, And to be fair, he's one of the few
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  Speaker 1: like assassins quote unquote who's like still claim to be innocent,
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  Speaker 1: like even years laters like dude, I didn't do it.
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  Speaker 1: Whereas you see it as Malcolm X one the one
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  Speaker 1: guy they the one guy they like knew for sure
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  Speaker 1: had a part of it, was like, yeah, I did it,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, right.
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  Speaker 2: But also the other people they arrested with him, he
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  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, they didn't do.
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  Speaker 1: It, and like nobody gave a fuck, and yeah, it's uh.
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  Speaker 2: It's one. I feel like Malcolm X I haven't looked
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  Speaker 2: into as much as the other I mean, there's a
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  Speaker 2: ton of assassinations, Like once you dig into the Black Panthers,
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  Speaker 2: there's a ton of assassinations in the sixties and seventies
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  Speaker 2: to look into U.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's just how the government moved back then.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were like people are social today, I think, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: definitely still today. But like people associate the sixties and
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  Speaker 2: the seventies with like peace and love and that's when
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  Speaker 2: everyone was hippies, but like that's when America was at
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  Speaker 2: its most brutal. Like we were just assassinating progressives in
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  Speaker 2: public and sometimes framing people for it. It was nuts.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember Benzi like Bhuto, like the Pakistani woman. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: well she was like beIN lones alive and then the
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  Speaker 1: next day she got a satisinate, right, yeah, and nobody
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  Speaker 1: gave a fuck.
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  Speaker 2: That should probably be an episode in the future, Like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because even the steals team that killed him, didn't
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  Speaker 1: they all die in a helicopter accident.
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  Speaker 2: That's perfectly normal.
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  Speaker 1: It's tif and like no one gives a fuck. Oh no, man,
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  Speaker 1: Like growing up, I was always into conspiracy and when
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  Speaker 1: listening to like Coast to Coasts do you ever listen
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  Speaker 1: to Coast to Coast?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh definitely, Like that was like my shit,
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  Speaker 2: But it's just weird.
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  Speaker 1: How again, when you when you said it, when you
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  Speaker 1: bring up like Malcolm X or like JFK and you're like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that happened. That way people look at you,
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  Speaker 1: like your fucking nut job.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it has to do with just
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  Speaker 2: the term conspiracy theory in general has been kind of
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  Speaker 2: vilified and yeah, which is insane because if there's ever
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  Speaker 2: been a time where you should maybe not trust what
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  Speaker 2: the government is telling you, it's right now. And I
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  Speaker 2: feel like we are as a society turning on conspiracy
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  Speaker 2: theories even more right now, and it feels like that's
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  Speaker 2: maybe not the time to do that.
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  Speaker 1: No, Like, even like when this Epstein shit went down,
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  Speaker 1: there were just memes that then we moved on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like we all had questions, but we
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  Speaker 2: didn't really ask those questions. We just acknowledged that we
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  Speaker 2: had questions and then didn't do anything about it.
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  Speaker 1: It's just really it's really just like the status quo
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  Speaker 1: of like how America does shit right?
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  Speaker 2: And I feel like Malcolm X is a good example
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  Speaker 2: of what happens when people challenge the status quo, because
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  Speaker 2: I feel like there's and we'll get into it all,
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  Speaker 2: but I feel like there's a point in his history
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  Speaker 2: where the group he was affiliated with seemed like they
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  Speaker 2: were falling in line with the status quo, and he
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  Speaker 2: broke with them. And he got fucking murdered over it,
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  Speaker 2: Like regardless, regardless of who did it, that's what he
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  Speaker 2: got murdered for.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like without question, before.
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  Speaker 2: We get into all of that, you uh, before we
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  Speaker 2: or not before, but when we decided to do these episodes,
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned you are a big fan of Malcolm X.
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  Speaker 2: About that A little huch.
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  Speaker 1: Fan, huge fan of Malcolm X. I mean again, growing
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  Speaker 1: up young, black and like Muslim, like he was the guy.
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  Speaker 1: And I even remember, like in the fourth grade, I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to show the class the Malcolm X movie that's
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  Speaker 1: like Lee did, yeah, and the teacher's like, yeah, that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: So I brought it in and the movie opens up
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  Speaker 1: like in the first five minutes, he's like banging some
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  Speaker 1: white lady in the back of a car. Teacher's like,
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  Speaker 1: what the fuck. You're not going to pick a scene?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I want to show this
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  Speaker 1: whole movie. And she's like, you know, that's a three
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  Speaker 1: hour long movie. And I was like yeah, and she's
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  Speaker 1: like I'll give you a beat, just go sit down,
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  Speaker 1: and you can't show this whole fucking movie.
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  Speaker 2: But it's such a good movie. It's so good.
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  Speaker 1: But just seeing like someone who's like fucking black and
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  Speaker 1: Muslim and like super outspoken, like inspired me as a kid.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember asking my dad. I was like, why
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  Speaker 1: aren't we a part of the Nation of Islam? You
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, Like we're black, we're Muslim.
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  Speaker 1: Why aren't we with them? And then he was like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: I Muslim, like they kill Malcolm X told me that.
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  Speaker 1: I was like five years old, right, I was like, oh, fuck,
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  Speaker 1: but no, man, huge fucking fan. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like my introduction to Malcolm X was, uh, there's a
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  Speaker 2: rap group called Boogie Down Productions, Yeah, and they have
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  Speaker 2: an album called By Any Means Necessary where KRS one,
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  Speaker 2: the lead rapper, is holding a rifle and looking out
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  Speaker 2: the window. And I from looking into that and like
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  Speaker 2: I must have read it in like fucking word Up
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  Speaker 2: magazine or whatever because it was late eighties. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how I connected it to that, but I like
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  Speaker 2: I realized that he was emulating that really iconic image
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  Speaker 2: of Malcolm X. And that's like how Malcolm X ended
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  Speaker 2: up on my radar. And then just from like if
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  Speaker 2: you were listening to rap music in the nineties, you
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  Speaker 2: were into conspiracy theories like that. Truly, those two things
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  Speaker 2: were not they were not mutually exclusive whatsoever. And Barnes
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  Speaker 2: and Noble used to have, like before conspiracy theories were
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  Speaker 2: sort of criminalized in this country, Barnes and Noble had
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  Speaker 2: this display that was just like cliff notes about conspiracy theories.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember buying the one about Malcolm X and
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  Speaker 2: being like, shit, this is it's pretty crazy, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Like and even just like reading the book, like the
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  Speaker 1: Autobiography of Malcolm X, but like written by some other dude,
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  Speaker 1: Like that book was fucking awesome, Like, oh no, man,
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  Speaker 1: he was just such an inspirational figure because I mean,
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  Speaker 1: in school, you learn about Martin Luther King because he's
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  Speaker 1: like the peaceful one, but Malcolm X was the one
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  Speaker 1: who always fucking set his ground and did not really
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  Speaker 1: like give a fuck, and that's just who I always
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  Speaker 1: like was drawn to more. And you're right about like
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  Speaker 1: early nineties rap because I mean, like Public Enemy was
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  Speaker 1: all over that shit.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, and it like I guess it makes
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  Speaker 2: sense that you hear about MLK more in history books,
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  Speaker 2: but it's just because like those history books are written
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  Speaker 2: mostly by white people.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, he's a safe one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And that was like that was sort of
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  Speaker 2: Malcolm X's opinion on Martin Luther King Junior also, and so.
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  Speaker 1: I guess Concy theorists, but they want to teach you
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  Speaker 1: about the one that's like not aggressive, so you won't
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  Speaker 1: like rise up. Do you want to get like really
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  Speaker 1: deep down into this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that, Like I I one hundred percent by that.
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  Speaker 2: Like that strikes me as probably the obvious reason why
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  Speaker 2: Malcolm X is not taught in history books the way
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  Speaker 2: Martin Luther King Junior is. And he's arguably like he's
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  Speaker 2: at least as important to the civil rights movement as
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  Speaker 2: Martin Luther King here absolutely, So let's talk about Malcolm
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  Speaker 2: X and his early life a little bit because I
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  Speaker 2: feel like it's it's important because it kind of informs
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  Speaker 2: what he ends up doing as an adult. He was
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  Speaker 2: born in Omaha, Nebraska. Malcolm Little was his name. May nineteenth,
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  Speaker 2: nineteen twenty five. Omaha, Nebraska. I fucking love Omaha. It's
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  Speaker 2: a great place. You ever been?
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  Speaker 1: Never been Omaha?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 1: Why is it great?
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  Speaker 2: I wonder what the next detail in the Malcolm X
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  Speaker 2: story is. Let's see a family fled Omaha for Milwaukee
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  Speaker 2: after threats from the KKK over his parents' work with
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  Speaker 2: a Universal Negro Improvement Association. So goddamn it, Omaha, maybe
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  Speaker 2: this place isn't that great. Their downtown area is fun.
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  Speaker 2: But here's the thing. We did None Pops tour within
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  Speaker 2: the last few years, and one of our stops was Omaha,
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  Speaker 2: and we went to this really cool like antiques and
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  Speaker 2: collectibles store and as I'm going through it, in the
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  Speaker 2: like this back corner, they had these like hand fans,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when they would put like it would be
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  Speaker 2: on a stick and there'd be a piece of cardboard
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  Speaker 2: and you could fan yourself with it. It was those,
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  Speaker 2: but they were super duper racist, like really like Sambo's
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  Speaker 2: chicken shack and just like people in blackface. And I
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  Speaker 2: for a moment was like should I buy these? Like
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  Speaker 2: and like right exactly, but weird. Imagine going through airport
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  Speaker 2: security and that's the one time they decide to check
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  Speaker 2: your bags and then what if the person checking my
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  Speaker 2: bags is not white and they pull those fucking fans
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  Speaker 2: out of my bags?
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  Speaker 1: What do I do?
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  Speaker 2: What do I say? There's no like even if I
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  Speaker 2: was just buying them to like bring them back to
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  Speaker 2: LA and be like can you believe this ship that
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  Speaker 2: I wound.
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  Speaker 1: There's dude, you should have bought it. You should have
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  Speaker 1: bought it at least brought it up on stage with
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  Speaker 1: you if you're performing that night. And what the fuck
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  Speaker 1: is this Oma that.
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  Speaker 2: I should have done? I should have taken them to
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  Speaker 2: the show with me. But I guess Omaha maybe isn't
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  Speaker 2: as great as I thought for racist fans. Well well, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: obviously not long after?
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  Speaker 1: Uh oh wait, I got lost from Milwaukee. Yeah, right
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  Speaker 1: to Lance, Michigan, also home of Matthew Johnson.
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  Speaker 2: Right. They they flee Omaha because of racist threats over
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  Speaker 2: Malcolm X's parents and their work with an organization called
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  Speaker 2: the Universal Negro Improvement Association, which I'm only allowed to
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  Speaker 2: say because it's in the historical record.
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  Speaker 3: I give you.
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  Speaker 1: Negro for the show.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, I appreciate it. I'm going to need similar
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  Speaker 2: passes throughout this episode.
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  Speaker 1: A deal. I w Negro colored or whatever, like old.
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  Speaker 2: All the outdated ones, none of the modern ones.
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  Speaker 1: Moon cricket, Moon cricket.
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  Speaker 2: People said that.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Probably.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, moon cricket just sounds cute. We should bring
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: that back. It's very moon cricket. No, that sounded terrible
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: when I said it. Never mind, Yeah, that sounds sounds awful. Yeah,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: they flee Milwaukee. They go to Lansing, Michigan, which currently
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: kind of a hotbed for Muslims. Michigan in general.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Absolutely but at the time not.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Really still pretty racist, and they get more racist harassment there.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: In particular, there's a group called the Black Legion, which
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: doesn't sound like it should be a racist group. No,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: it sounds like they should be fighting racists in the street.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: But as it turns out, the Black Legion was also
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: a racist group that maybe burned down Malcolm X's home
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: as a child in Michigan, maybe murdered his father, and
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: he actually at one point claimed that white violence and
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: that was the word or the phrase. He took the
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: lives of not only his father, but four of his
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: father's brothers, which so like.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Back then they would just get away with it. Yeah,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: like's fucking been like that was just dead every day
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: norm would they'd be like, all right, we killed a
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: black dude, let's go get some beers. Like it was.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: It was such a wild fucking time.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: It's a good thing. That's so different now.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Sort of.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing, like you said, like when a
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: cop gets prosecuted for killing a black person. I'm still
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: genuinely surprised. It's like when police solve a rat murder,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Jesus Christ, you can.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Do that, dude. I'm just happy now that, like I've
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: had a bunch of like police brutality happened to me
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: where they've like drawn guns on me for no reason,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: and I'm happy now we're at a time where at
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: least people believe me. Now, yeah, it would they be like,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: what the fuck did you do. I'm like, I didn't
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: do anything. I was being black and Musslim and they
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: were and now they're like, oh fuck, that's crazy, like
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: before they question So yeah, other twenty years we should
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: be a bit further.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: It's crazy that like south central Los Angeles is the
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: way South Central Los Angeles is because of policies that
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: not only the LAPD but just kind of like the
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: government of California and Los Angeles put in place back
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: in the sixties. And then it took Rodney King for
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: people to be like, wait, they're treating black people differently
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: in South central Los Angeles. It's like read a fucking book,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: like it's been happening forever, and it it blows my mind.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: That people like Malcolm X aren't a bigger part of
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: the history books, because it like, how do you justify
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: that without being like they don't want to make white
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: people look bad? Like, don't I don't get how this
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: has all worked.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: For this long dude. They've they like won't acknowledge any
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: civil rights leader that isn't like marl Uther King, if
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: that makes sense, Like, have you heard like Bayard Rustin?
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I have not.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Bayard Rustin was the guy who like inspired man Muther
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: King and would like coach him, like he was like
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Martin's og who like helped him to the civil rights
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: period and would like open for him. And he was
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: a great speaker. The only problem with Bayard Rustin was
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: he was gay. Uh oh, so he was a black
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: gay man who like got always teachings from Gandhi and
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: like was like, no, we gotta be like peaceful, not aggressive.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: But none of the history books acknowledge him because he
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: was a black gay man. That's crazy instrumental and nobody
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: gives a fuck.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I remember hearing very little about the
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Black Panthers when I was in school, and that seems important.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: That was especially if you want some insight on how
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: your government deals with black people who carry guns. That
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: seems like it would have been worth learning about. But yeah,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: all the shit gets left out awful, So, like with
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: all of the stuff that happens to Malcolm X as
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: a child, like his home is burned down by racists.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: At one point, his father is murdered by racist They
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: called it a streetcar accident, but he was probably murdered.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: His mom doesn't get any life insurance benefits over it
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: because the life insurance companies argue that he killed himself,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: probably also some racist shit on their part. She goes
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: to a She goes to a fucking mental institution for
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: twenty four years. Malcolm X and all his siblings end
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: up in foster care. He gets out of foster care,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: goes to high school, and at one point in high
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: school is told by a teacher that the he had
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: in his ambition was to be a lawyer, and he
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: was told that becoming a lawyer is no realistic goal
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: for a Yeah yeah, yeah, like we know what he said. Yeah,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: thank you for the assist through it up. Well, I
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: guess I got the assist.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're John Stockton. I'm in this whole podcast.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: But yeah, like that's obviously the word the dude used,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: and Malcolm X ends up dropping out of high school
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: over that. So it's pretty easy to understand how he
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: ends up in the field of interest he does when
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: he's older. He was brutalized by white people his entire life.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: So sorry if he's holding a gun on the cover
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: of Ebony magazine.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah what, he just fucking turns into a life of
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: crime at this point, right, Like he goes into the streets.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, before he becomes Malcolm X. He goes to prison,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: and uh, yeah, he fell into a life of crime
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: in Harlem, And I feel like we don't need to
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: hit on that too much. No, a lot of people
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: fall into a life of crime. And it's arguably one
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: of the least important parts of his story, except for
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: the part where he eventually goes to prison. And that's
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: where he gets introduced to the Nation of Islam. And
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: we should talk about the nation of Islam not the
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: same thing as Islam.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: No, not like it's so far away, Like it's so
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: far away.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Can you explain the difference for the people in home?
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: So Islam is like very old testimony, right, we're like
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: similar to Christianity or your Judaism like super sim of Judaism.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Like it's just one of the big three religions as
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: people call, or the Abrahamic religions, where it's like based
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: on peace and love. We believe the Muhammed is the
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: prophet of God. That's the guy who are now to
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: see his face and if people draw and we get
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: pissed for some reason, it's that guy. But we also
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: believe in like Jesus and Abraham, and like we still
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: believe in those guys. Right. Well. The Nation of Islam
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: which created by like W. Ford in nineteen thirty and
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: he believes that like white people are the devil and
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: they are created by a scientists named yeah Kub and
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: that black people are like the greatest, which is dope.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: That's as a black guy like yo, it's sucking dope.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Like it's just based on like anti Semitism and like racism.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're a problematic bunch for sure.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Like here's the thing. Is the thing with the Nation
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: of Islam is they're cool in like the black unity
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: for what they want to do for the community, right,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Like I'm all about like having black businesses and like
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: helping out the community. However, like they still exploit black
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: people and they're still very racist, right.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's like there they strike me as kind
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: of cult like yes, and that's like you see that
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: a lot with cults, where there are some aspects to
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: what they do that are good and probably help people
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: out a lot. I would argue, even scientology, there are
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: some teachings of scientology that aren't that bad, but you
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: have to take like the whole picture into consideration. And yeah,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: the Nation of Islam, they're problematic when it comes to
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Jewish people and they always have that absolutely.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: It's also funny and you brought up scientology because the
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Nation of Islam is like super cool with scientology and
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: wants the members of the Nation of Islam's to go
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: through like dianetics.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Oh that's crazy. Wow, I did not, Yeah, I didn't
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: know that.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I do a little bit of research for this. It
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: was weird. It was weird when I found out out.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: It's in like even scientology. There's a documentary out there
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: called My Scientology Movie, and this guy like recreates all
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: of the experiments and things that they do when you're
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: going through the levels of scientology and like taken on
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: their own outside the context of scientology, it kind of
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: makes sense, like it's just about not having as much
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: of an emotional reaction to stress in your life, which
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: that's a good thing, yes, But then also you sign
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: a billion year contract and might have to live on
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: a boat.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: For the rest of your life, so which is pretty safe.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: And and yeah, the Nation of Islam is kind of
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: the same thing. Like we've talked on various un Pops
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: podcasts before about Yakub and how yeah, like if your
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: favorite rapper says white people are the devil, it's probably
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: because he thinks they were created in a lab by
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: an evil scientist, And like, who am I to say
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: we weren't, Like it's totally possible we're most of the police.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Also, you got to realize, like with the Station of Islam,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: they believe that like w Ford or Ford I think's
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: for it, he they believe he was like God reincarnated
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: and that like Elijah, Muhammad was like Jesus if that
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: makes sense, right, which totally strays away from Islam because
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: we believe that God is just God, he can't be reincarnated,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: and that like Muhammad's the guy, but mom instead, So
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: which also explains that Elijah Muhammad's power were like his
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: followers literally believe he's Jesus and can essentially like do
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: no wrong.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, So it's that's a thing worth taking into consideration.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: But it's also worth noting at this point that Malcolm
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: X did kind of break from I mean not kind
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: of break from the Nation of Islam, Like he completely
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: broke from the Nation of Islam absolutely.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Like that was with this pilgrimage to Haaj, which I
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: guess we're to talk about later on, but yeah, yeah,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: well he realized, oh shit, this isn't the Nation of Islam,
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: isn't his own, like this is his own, right.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: But before all that happens, he gets introduced to the
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Nation of Islam in prison and he starts communicating with
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Elijah Muhammad a whole bunch, And this is the point
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: where he kind of ends up on the FBI's radar.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: It actually happens he's still in prison because, as we mentioned,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: he fell into a life of crime. He goes to prison,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: he gets introduced to the Nation of Islam. At one
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: point in prison, he writes a letter to Harry Truman
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: and denounces the Korean War and declares that he is
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: a communist, which what a bold move. Like I'm scared
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: to criticize the CIA on these podcasts. Yeah, and he's
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: firing off letters to the government. Crazy.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, that's fucking crazy.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: I'm scared to talk about the government of Morocco or
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia like in jokes, yeah.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Because like they might assassinate me.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: That Like I'm researching a podcast right now about the
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Philippines under Ferdinand Marcos. And like in the eighties, the
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: FBI and the CIA knew that the Philippines had intelligence
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: agents here who are just harassing people who criticized the Philippines,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: And we were like, yeah, but we're friends with the Philippines,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: so we kind of got to let him do it.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Like the things the government will let people get away
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: with even to this day, it's crazy, but throughout history
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: and I feel like killn Llen Malcolm X was one
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: of those things.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. And then people still are like, you should trust
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: the government. It's like they have such a long history
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: of fucking up and fucking us up.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you should buy default in twenty twenty not trust
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: the government. You know, probably should have been that way
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: since like nineteen eighty eight. Probably, like I mean earlier
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: than that. If you trusted Reagan.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: You're idiot.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what were you doing? And I like, even as
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: a kid, like I'm old enough to remember my parents
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: very much wanting Reagan to win the election, and he did,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: and then my dad's job got shipped to Mexico, like
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: fuck a fucking month later, but our guy won.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: No, my dad was like a super hippie and like,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: of course they lived during this era, so he was
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: just like, don't fucking trust the government like those remember
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: as a kid, He'll be like, if you get pulled over,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: this is what you do. Like was all about, like
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: everybody's trying to fuck you can't trust anybody.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's valid advice, like it. Yeah, it's crazy
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: that that has been valid advice for black people for
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: like fifty years in this country. Like we act like
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: this is a new thing, and no, it's a new
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: thing because police didn't have body cameras before then.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's always been in existent.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: It has always been a fucking thing. That's why I
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: get so offended when people are like, oh, but all
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: the cops I know are nice. It's like they're nice
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: to you because you're white. Like, how do you know
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: what they're fucking like? People listen to my podcast, but
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: they don't know how I deal with the people I
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: record with. I could be a huge fucking dick to
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: everyone I record with.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: But from outward is we'll be doing pops conspiracy about
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: these episodes.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: God damn it. Now I gotta kill a tiff See
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: for outing me for being an asshole.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: I kind of hope I do die tomorrow so people
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: think you kill I killed him with a coronavirus.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: But yeah, like the the government's been fucking killing people
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: for a long time. So Malcolm X, he gets out
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: of prison and starts immediately climbing the ranks of the
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Nation of Islam. He's great at recruiting new members, and
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: that just adds to the attention he's getting from the FBI.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: And then the Hilton Johnson incident happens, which somehow I
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: had never heard of this, which is crazy because it's
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: a line in a Kanye song. Got it, Like, there's
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: a there's a whole Kanye song built around a line
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: from this incident, And I had like, up to this point,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, Malcolm X stole that from Kanye West.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: But the Hinton Johnson incident. This is how Malcolm X
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: not only gets on the nation's radar, but also all
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: of law enforcement in general. After the Hint and Johnson incident,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: decide Malcolm X might be a problem. And what happened.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Johnson was walking in New York City with two fellow
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Nation of Islam members, and they happened upon police beating
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: a black man with their night sticks. If you can
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: believe that they.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Yet, it's actually like a super cup thing.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, who would ever expect police would be beating
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: a black dude with their night sticks?
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: This is probably broad daylight too.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, or like it's it's New York, so it's
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: always kind of daylight in New York.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: That's sure. It's like seven or eight o'clock at night.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Like it's not like it's hidden.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's perpetually seeable in New York.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: And they attempt to intervene, in part by shouting, you're
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: not in Alabama. This is New York. Bold move, very
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: very bold move in the sixties. And as a result
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: of that, the police turned their attention on Hinton Johnson,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: beating him so severely that he suffered brain contusions and
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: subdural hemorrhaging. Goddamn him. Yeah, his two friends and the
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: original beating victim were all arrested and taken directly to jail.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Malcolm X hears about this from a witness and goes
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: to the police station and demands to see Hinton Johnson.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: That alone makes me want to buy a Malcolm X
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: T shirt right now.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Such balls. That's because like no one does that, now,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, when there's an injustice,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: people will just like on Twitter or Instagram and this
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: is crazy, look at this injustice, But no one goes
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: to the police station and wants to make you I
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: need to see this guy right now, like this is
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: fucking wrong.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: And then after he's told that there are no Muslims
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: being held there, he just persists and is like, I
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: know you're fucking lying. Show me where this guy is.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: And they do, and Malcolm X manages to get this
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: guy not only removed from jail, but taken to a hospital,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: and then they get him back to the hospital. And
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: this whole time, Malcolm X and a team of lawyers
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: have been negotiating to get the other three out of jail,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: and they do that, but he's told that Hinton Johnson
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: is going to have to stay there until his arraignment. So,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: realizing that the situation is at kind of an impasse,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: he goes go out to this crowd of people that
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: have assembled outside, which is like four thousand people who
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: are all here to protest what's happening, and with one
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: hand gesture gets all of the Nation of Islam people
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: who are assembled there to leave. They leave quietly, they
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: leave peacefully, and then everyone else who had assembled leaves
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: shortly after that. And that's when a cop is quoted
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: in a New York newspaper saying, no one man should
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: have this much power.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: It's pretty fucking badass.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: And boy does that get him on law enforcement's radar. Yeah,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: which you kind of got to expect it at that point.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Oh definitely, Like he must have known, he's known it since,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: like you joined the Nation of I'm like, yo, this
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: is a possibility.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Like anyone who could sway a crowd with one hand
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: jet Like even I'd sort of be like, can we
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: watch them?
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Like what are they?
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: What are they up to? What's that? What's this going
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: to do next?
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: That's a whole that's a whole lot at their level
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: that's another level of like command of the crowd in charisma.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: I don't have the kind of charisma.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing Malcolm X, and that at one
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: point when he finally breaks from the Nation of Islam,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: that becomes a problem, like he's he's the one with
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: the charisma. Like I've seen videos of Elijah Muhammad, but
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I don't fucking remember anything he said. Yeah, but Malcolm
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: X guy carried guns and said cool shit and more
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: neat glasses. I remember everything about Malcolm X. And he
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: was like number two in the Nation of Islam that
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: whole time.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and everybody, but like he's like Malcolm X in
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: a Nation of Islam was like that feature that you
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: knew was the real headliner.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We went to like a comedy show and it
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: was like Bill Burr's featuring. But after Bill Burr, it's
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: like someone else and you're like all right, and then
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Bill Barr fucking murders. He's like whoa, yeah, all right,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: and then the headliner can't even follow him.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of what Malcolm X became.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: And it was crazy.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: So after this Hinton Johnson incident, like he really rises
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: up through the Nation of Islam ranks. He was especially
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: great at recruiting new members like he in particular is
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: credited with during that stretch in the sixties like very
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: much increasing the ranks of the Nation of Islam. But
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: they eventually have a falling out over a few different things.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: One was LAPD violence. Malcolm X wanted to respond to
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: LAPD violence against Muslims with violence against the LAPD, and
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: the Nation of Islam said.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Nah, which kind of makes sense.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: That's probably the like, that's a the LAPD, Like that's
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: like California's army. That's a lot to take on. So
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I guess I understand, like he literally wanted to because
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: there was this incident where there was a mosque in
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: la and some sort of incident broke out. Police officers
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: showed up, a scuffle breaks out, and then the police
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: end up raiding this mosque and just indiscriminately beating the
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: shit out of people. Which that's a problem, of course,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: but that seems pretty par for the course for like cops. Yeah,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: especially at the time, and if you're part of a
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: movement that's trying to make progress in a way that
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: the American government will accept, violent attacks on the police
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: are probably not something that should be in your playbook,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: so that I get. I get that.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: I do like it, though, I'm gonna be honest, Yeah,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: that's the thing about Malcolm X, like he was like
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: fucking cool man, Like we kind of need a Malcolm
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: X right now, like more than ever, because we're kind
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: of at that point where.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know, this is gonna probably get me on
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: secret service radar, but we're probably like we're at the
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: point where we need to decide if we're okay with
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: still trying to fix this via voting or if we
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: just need to take to the streets, like something needs
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: to change in this country and voting is not fucking
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: doing it, and it feels like voting's not gonna do
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: it in twenty twenty and expecting people to just wait
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: for voting and the system we use to elect officials
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: in this country now to make things better, it's getting
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: kind of unrealistic.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know why people still fucking believe
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: in it.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I don't either.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: It's sort of always grown up thinking. I was like,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: why the fuck are people like we can vote and
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: change things you fucking can't, no, And like you.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Can change who's in office.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: But there's just the same though.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just some policies you're never going to be
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: able to change. That's why I'm so bothered by the
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: idea of Biden getting the Democratic nomination. It's like Biden
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: put all the policies in place that made migration from
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Central America necessary for people living in Central America, and
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: now all of those people are in detention centers, and
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I'm supposed to expect that Joe Biden's just gonna fling
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: the doors of those detention centers open. Of course not.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: He's just gonna keep shit going as it's been, and
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: a bunch of white people on the left will feel
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: like they won because Trump's not in office anymore.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: I no, it's it's it's fucking stupid. It really is
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: so fucking and people just don't I just I just
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: don't understand. People just don't realize it.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Like they're all looking on the bench best interests and
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: they're all like fucking lying to you so much so
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: that like I'm a huge I'm like a Bernie fan,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: just because he's the only one I've seen with like
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: a thirty year track record of constantly doing the right thing.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm a Bernie guy also, and like, like
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: at some point people have to realize. I think in
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: this election that we're at a point where it's more
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: than just beating Trump, Like things need to change and
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: like all of the things, Like we look back on
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: the Civil Rights movement like it was just this big
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: sea change where we really fix things, and like what
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: did we fix? Like there's no like segregated fucking drinking
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: mountains aren't a thing anymore, and black people can eat
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: in the same part of restaurants as everyone else. Yeah,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: but there's still a ways to go when it comes
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: to shit like that. And there are no Malcolm X's
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: on the horizon.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: No, they're just like people on Twitter. There's all social
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: media shit. But that doesn't matter. No, it's really it's
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: so fucking furiating. It's just so fucking furiating.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Not only does it not matter it, I think it
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: kind of breeds complacency in people where they're like, well,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: I tweeted about it, and that tweet got a bunch
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: of retweets, so things are fine. I'm doing my part.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, someone else would do this, Like they're just like
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: pass into virtual torch. Like it's really all it is.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So there was also sexual misconduct by Elijah Muhammad.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: That was one of the things Malcolm X split with
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: the Nation of Islam over. But the one that is
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: most interesting to me is his comments about the assassination
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: of John F. Kennedy. Yeah, definitely, which is pretty famous
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: and it's a a He used a phrase that I
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: literally have not looked up until I was researching this podcast.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: But when John F. Kennedy was assassinated, Malcolm X was
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: asked about it, and in the interview he said it
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: was a case of quote chickens coming home to roost,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: and then followed that up with chickens coming home to
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: roost never did make me sad. They've always made me glad,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: which he's not wrong. Like I, I haven't looked it
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: up before now, but I finally looked it up. And
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: what that means is your past bad actions have caught
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: up to you. And I still don't know how chickens
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: coming home to roost equates to that, but I get
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: what he was saying. Yeah, Like, yeah, if that's what
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: that phrase means, I absolutely getget what he was saying.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Like JFK kind of hinted that he wanted to shut
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: down the CIA and then mysteriously got murdered.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Also, JFK had like a pretty like diverse like staff.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: He had some African Americans and his fucking staff, which
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: is like unheard of at the time. So he was
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: kind of just trying to change the fucking status quo
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: of how things were right.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: And instead he got shot in the head by a
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: lone gunman named Lee Harvey Oswald.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah he was the only one.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just him. Yeah, even though they've done
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: countless experiments trying to recreate those three shots and only
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: one person was able to do it, and that guy
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: is convinced Lee Harvey Oswald couldn't have done it. But hey,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: it's fine. All of these.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Assassins escape for like days, yeah, Lee Harvey.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Like this is just such a mind blowing period in
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: history to me. Yeah, where all of these people who
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: are directly challenging the government or the way the government
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: works get murdered, and now all these years later, if
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: you question the official explanation of those murders, people act
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: like you're crazy, Like yeah, but meanwhile, let a true
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: crime fan find out that some dude whose wife got
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: murdered his previous wife died like twenty five years earlier
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: from falling down the steps. They'll be like, there's no
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: such thing as coincidences, And it's like, all right, but
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: what about our government in the sixties. Do you believe
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: they were just murdering people? Or are people who believe
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: that conspiracy theorists.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: All day they're just dude, it's it's fucking bananas. It's yeah, yeah,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: I don't. I just don't get people's complacency. I'll never
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: understand it.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of go out of my way to convince.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: Like we have a true crime podcast called Pretty Scary,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: and I really go out of my way to drive
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: home the point on that podcast that like conspiracy theories
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: and true crime stuff aren't that different. Like no, if
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: you like, if you're willing to believe the police are
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: lying about a murder, you should be willing to believe
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: that the government sometimes lies about shit. Also, because the
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: police are your government, they are your local government. And
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: if you believe your local police or someone's local police
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: would conspire to cover up wrongdoing, then you should go
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: ahead and believe that at higher levels people conspire to
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: cover up wrongdoing. Also, it's really not that hard, but
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: the term conspiracy theory is just so way down in
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: negativity now, I don't even want to say, like you
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: can't even say negativity anymore.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: No, people will just ridiculousness really right, Like I feel
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: like people assume conspiracy theory with like Bigfoot and like
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: the Luckness Monster yeah, or Alex Jones, Yeah, where they like,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: you're just some guy with a fucking aluminu foil hat,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: just like think everybody's out to kill you.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I don't know how you can look at
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: a period like the sixties where all of these progressive
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: leaders just get murdered in public and we never really
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: solve it, Like we solve it, but there's questions and
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: people are just like, why would you believe? Like nothing
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: makes me angrier than a think piece on why some
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: people believe conspiracy theories. It's like people believe conspiracy theories
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: because sometimes they happen, and sometimes they are the actual
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: explanation yeah, And I don't know, this kind of seems
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: like one, but for this episode, we're sticking to the
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: official explanation, and the official explanation for how Malcolm X
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: died kind of comes down to that split with the
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Nation of Islam. And around. He ends up splitting with
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: them in nineteen sixty four and mar my birthday. No shit,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: we're both sad pieces? Are we both sad pisces?
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I think so? Yeah?
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was born in March twentieth so.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely sad pace sad pieces.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Hey, thank you. Sorry about Kurt Cobain. I know all
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: pisces are sad about Kirk Cobain.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: True. Well, that's conspiracy of itself, right, oh is it?
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: We've done a bunch of episodes about it. So in
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: the official historical record, him splitting with the Nation of
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: his Life is the inciting incident that, yeah, leads to
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: the death of Malcolm X. And it was definitely a
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: tense feud. His car was bombed in February nineteen sixty four,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: which is before he even left the Nation of Islam.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Elijah Muhammad allegedly told Lewis Farakhan that quote, hypocrites like
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Malcolm should have their heads cut off.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Also, I was gonna say, we have to talk about
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: like he left again because he went to Hajj and
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: saw like real Islam and was just like, oh shit,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't be like this radical guy trying to promote
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: like racism because I'm sitting there with like white Muslims
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: and like Asian Muslims, Like this is fucking crazy and
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: everything that like I'm doing with the Nation of Islam
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: is wrong. And I got to teach people like actual
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: like Islam and how we should all come together, which
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: that wanted to come together and like not be so
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: separatists is like way more radical at the time to
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: be a separatists.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's actually what got him killed because yeah,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: because the Nation of Islam, that's one thing, like they're
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: very radical, but when he splits off from the Nation
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: of Islam, he becomes a very different person. For one,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: he converted to he was a Sunni Muslim, uh Yeah,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: after splitting off from the Nation of Islam, and yeah,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: a lot of those more radical leanings that he got
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: from the Nation of Islam sort of went away and
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: he starts focusing on, well, what if we just bring
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: everyone in to work on this problem, And that had
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: to be way more threatening to the United States government
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: than him being just part of the Nation of Islam.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because that's radical, because that's threatening to the government,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: but also the Nation of Islam to have like your
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: number one guy being like, these guys are fucking wrong,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: what's right?
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it would almost be to the benefit of
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: the US government, which is very focused on I don't know,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: I guess keeping Christianity being the thing in this country
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: and not much else. Like it's almost good for them if,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: like the biggest representative of Islam in the United States
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: is tied to the Nation of Islam, because then they
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: can point to all of that crazy shit that the
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Nation of Islam believes and then sort of discredit Islam
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: as a whole as a result. But when Malcolm X
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: splits off and kind of disavows the Nation of Islam
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: and is like, oh no, no, no, no, no, we
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: can just like this can just be another religion in
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: the world and we can all work together. That's way
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: more dangerous for the US government. Like that's what they
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: killed people over.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, they're not worried about like black dudes doing karate
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: in a basement in New Jersey. No, look worried about
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: that at all.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: They're worried about black dudes doing karate in a basement
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: in New Jersey with white dudes.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, Like everybody's doing karate.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: That's when it's a problem. And that's what Malcolm X
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: wanted to do karate in basements with all sorts of people.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: And that's when he became a problem.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Dude. When I saw the Nation was on doing karate
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: with like the fruit of his own group, I'm like,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: I like karate, like they might, I might join the Nation.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like one of my first introductions to any of
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: this was Public Enemy, and they had the security of
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: the first World, which is there like dancers, but they're
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: also just dudes and fatigues who march around and like
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: tore o uzzies on their index finger and shit. And
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: I was like, man, I kind of want to do that.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: That seems neater than I don't know, being a white
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: dude listening to Public Enemy. So Malcolm X, he has
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: this falling out with the Nation of Islam we mentioned
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: before his car gets bombed. Elijah Muhammad allegedly told Lewis
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Faricam that quote, hypocrites like Malcolm should have their heads
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: cut off. The April tenth edition of Mohammed Speaks featured
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: a cartoon depicting Malcolm X's bouncing severed head. FBI surveillance
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: recorded a call to Malcolm x's wife, Betty on June eighth,
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: telling her that her husband was as good as dead.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: Four days after that, an FBI and formant receives a
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: tip that Malcolm X is going to be bumped off
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: on this Jesus, this one is super interesting to me.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: On July ninth, this is all nineteen sixty one. Or
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: by the way, Elijah muhammad aide John Ali referred to
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Malcolm X by saying, anyone who opposes the Honorable Elijah
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Muhammad puts their life in jeopardy. Fun fact, John Ali
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: is alleged to have been an FBI agent.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: It's fucking crazy.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Which after the Hinton Johnson incident, that's when all law
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: enforcement started surveilling Malcolm X in some way, and it's
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: believed at that point that that's where law enforcement basically
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: infiltrates the Nation of Islam. So it wouldn't surprise me if.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: That guy was FBI, Yeah, no doubt.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: And this is all of this is where that really
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: famous picture of Malcolm X comes from. And it's a
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: pretty great picture that one of him holding the rifle
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Like who doesn't want like I I am one rifle
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: away from recreating that picture and putting it on Instagram
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: and saying it's about my haters or something that's such
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: a great picture.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Should do it with your podcast Mike so much podcast
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Mike stand outside the fucking studio window, so looking out.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: That would actually be very funny. I would get dragged
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: on Twitter so hard for that.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Would you very supportive fans?
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: I have supportive fans, but Twitter is a whole other thing.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: It would be like, it would be cultural appropriation. It
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: would be in all legitimate arguments. I'm not here to
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: argue against the PC police got but I still want
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: to take that picture. I want to wear the glasses.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: I don't even own a suit. I'd buy a suit
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: for that picture. That'd be great. But and that, like
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: that picture, what kills me is that picture is what
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: But I think throughout history a lot of media or
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: textbooks or whatever have kind of leaned on that picture
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: to make the point that Malcolm, like Malcolm X, was
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: the violent one and Martin Luther King Junior was the
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: peaceful one. But like Malcolm X, had legitimate concerns for
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: his safety and for.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: His family safety. Didn't they fire bomb his house while
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: his kids were there?
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: Not?
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Just like it wasn't just that like white people were
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: wanting to kill him, which like at that point in history,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: white people wanted to kill all black people, but also
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: black people wanted to kill Malcolm X. At that time,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: he had every goddamn reason to have a gun and
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: be looking out the window and.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Were true because like Martin Luther King did not have
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  Speaker 1: that to be fair, like to kill Martin Luther King.
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  Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. And it's crazy to me that we've
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  Speaker 2: like that's the image we've kind of projected on Malcolm
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  Speaker 2: X over the years, is like, well, he was the
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  Speaker 2: violent one. Look at this gun, and it's really not
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: like it's not that he was the violent one. It's
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: that Martin Luther King just wanted people to vote like
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  Speaker 2: they're like he it wasn't. I don't know. I don't like,
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  Speaker 2: I can't.
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  Speaker 1: I can't say, Mark, you'd just do to be like
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  Speaker 1: that defensive and have a gun because again, his own
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: people are trying to kill him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone was trying to kill him.
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  Speaker 1: When they fire bombed his house. I believe that was
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  Speaker 1: the house that the Nation of Islam was letting him
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  Speaker 1: live in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the as a part of their disagreement.
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  Speaker 2: He was living in this house that the Nation of
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  Speaker 2: Islam bought him and they tried to evict him, and
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  Speaker 2: the night before there was a hearing schedule to delay
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  Speaker 2: that eviction, they just fucking fire bombed the house and
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: burned it down. And like, yeah, only one of two
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: people did that, either Malcolm X or the Nation of Islam,
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  Speaker 2: And it was probably the Nation of Islam. Like what
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  Speaker 2: point would Malcolm X have in fire bombing his own house?
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  Speaker 1: That's true because they tried to free Malcolm xport by
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: saying he had gasoline in his house.
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  Speaker 2: Right, which is, yeah, you have gasoline in your house,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: so you burned your house down. Like the gasoline was
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: probably put there by the people who burned the house down.
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  Speaker 2: So he had every reason to be holding a gun
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: on the cover of Ebony magazine in nineteen sixty four,
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  Speaker 2: and sure enough, in February nineteen sixty five, he ends
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: up getting assassinated. On February nineteenth, he told interviewer Gordon
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Parks that the Nation of Islam was actively trying to
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: kill him. On February twenty first, as he was preparing
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: for a speech at the Audubon Ballroom in Manhattan, someone
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: in the audience stood up and yelled, get your hand
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: out of my pocket. That's part of it. And as
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Malcolm X and his bodyguards were attending to that disturbance,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: another man rushed toward the stage and shot him in
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: the chest with a sought off shotgun as two other
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: men charged the stage firing semi automatic handguns. He was
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: shot twenty one times in total. I'm not gonna lie,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: that's a lot. That's yeah, no doubt, that's a significant
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: number of bullet wounds.
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  Speaker 1: They were like emptied out their clip on him.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: They clips, multiple clips.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: That's the thing. It's like dud his clip on him
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: due to until his clip on him. Like that's fucking crazy.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: He was pronounced dead at three thirty pm. Shortly after
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: arriving at the hospital. One of the gunmen, Talmage Hair,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: was beaten by the crowd before police arrived. Pretty famous
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: image of him getting the ship beat out of him.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: So that guy stops surrounding him, and then you see
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: his face because he's just getting he's getting held up
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: and people are beating the fuck out of him. But
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: you just see his face in the middle of people
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: beating him.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: And that leads me to believe he at least probably
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: did have something to do with it absolutely, because there's
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: some reason that crowd started beating him. The other gunmen
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: were identified by witnesses as Nation of Islam members Norman
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: three EX Butler, and Thomas fifteen X Johnson. Do you
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: know what those middle names are about?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: I do not.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. I think they just do it.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: I think the exes they are getting rid of, Well,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: they're getting rid of like their slave names. Quote unquote.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Well I know that, but that's like numbers.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: And why the middle name, because like Butler is probably
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: a slave name. Yes, like to paraphrase Malcolm X, that
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: guy did not come from Africa with the last name
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: Butler that was given to him by slave owning people
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: in the past.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: That's exactly it is. They just use the X to
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: get rid of like the surnames that have been posted
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: him by white slave holders. Yeah, but I don't know
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: why they have numbers. And I'm fucking kind of jealous.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: Be honest. See, I think that. I think the middle name.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: I think the three X and fifteen X probably relates
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: to maybe their level within the Nation of Islam.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, who knows?
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Why would we have looked into it? Who cares? Sorry,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: fucking details, Get off our backs. So all three of
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: them were convicted in nineteen sixty six and sentenced to
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: life in prison. But like, what about the dude who
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: stood up and yelled? Anyone ever look into that guy?
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: What happened to him? I never hear him mentioned in
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: the rest of this story. What about the guy who
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: yelled up and stood up and yelled, get out your
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: hand out of my pocket?
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: And the guy who put his hand in his pocket?
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what if there was another dude with his hand
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: in his pocket at the time. Did we look into
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: any of that?
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: No, No one did. So just were like, hey, we
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: had these two guys, even though, like at least if
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: you're going by if you're going by like a trained
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: like cognitive thought or normal thought, you have at least
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: five people there who've made this distraction. Yet they only
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: have like three people that are arrested.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and when we talk about the conspiracy theories
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: around this on the next episode, it like that kind
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: of seems to be the attitude of the police in general.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: They just sort of show up and they're like, well,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: we'll just arrest whoever we can arrest, and yeah, that'll
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: be good enough. And it did sort of end up
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: being good enough, even though the one guy that the
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: crowd identified he confessed at trial but refused to name
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: the other assailants, but he did contend that they were
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: not Butler and Johnson, and in nineteen seventy seven, he
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: signed an affidavit once again affirming that Butler and Johnson
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: were innocent and naming four other Nation of Islam members
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: from Newark's Mosque twenty five as participants. No one cared.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: The case wasn't reopened, but it was reopened recently because
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: of a twenty twenty Netflix documentary. We're going to talk
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: about that on the next episode when we when we
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: talk about what really happened? Do you here, here's a question.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Do you believe the official explanation of what happened to
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Malcolm X?
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't, Like, I don't believe any official explanation
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: of assassinations that happened in the seventies or maybe ever.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: My girl, my girlfriend's like, my girlfriend's white and she
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: just knew nothing about this, and I was like, no,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: it's killed by Nation And she was just like the
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: whole time, just stunned by like the gross misconduct of
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: the police and how like no one really cared.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: It that's the thing is like no one really gave
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: a fuck.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: I imagine among police and law enforcement at the time,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: there was probably a sense of relief that he was killed.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, no doubt. They was like, here's a guy who's
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: gonna like change the culture, like not just like when
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: people say the culture now black culture, like literally the
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: culture of America, and they're like, we need to fuck
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: get rid of this guy because we're happy with the
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: status quo.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like people really underestimate how hard in the paint
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: this government goes when black people start making things better
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: for themselves.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, like people are.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: Always like, hmmm, the government really cared about guns when
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: the Black Panthers started carrying them and like, yeah, maybe,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: But what the government really cared about was when the
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: black panthers started giving kids free breakfast. Like that is
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: when the government was like, oh, no, you're not gonna
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: prove the lives of your community on our watch. And
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: like it's the same thing with Malcolm X, Martin, Luther
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: King Junior, Bobby Kennedy, John F. Kennedy Junior or John F.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Kennedy Junior just flew his plane into the ocean, like
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: an idiot, but.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: He really regular.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: JFK, Like, we just in the sixties assassinated people who
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: tried to change the status quo, and we did it publicly,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: And to this day, most Americans don't believe that the
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: government had any involvement in that rash of fucking murders
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: that happened in it like.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: Which there's so much evidence against against it? Which evidence, Well,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: I said, there's so much evidence for the conspiracy, but
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: no one cares.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think I think that's an episode. You're right,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: this was a long episode. I think you texted me
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: and said this was going to be a long episode.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying to be a dick. I hope
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: it didn't come off like a dick, like this is
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: going to be I'm like, no, we said a lot
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: of you had a lot of information.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't want to just like dive into the
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: conspiracy part and not because I don't. Look, here's the thing.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: I don't discount that some racists are listening to this
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: podcast because it is a conspiracy theory podcast. And uh,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: those ven diagrams intersect, so on the off chance I just, uh,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: I want to give the racists in the audience an
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: introduction to Malcolm X and uh, well, hopefully you understand
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: he wasn't that he wasn't as bad as history has
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: made amount to be.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: Also, like we had you have to give background because
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: these were all just the dominos to lead into why.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: You know, I feel like if yeah, absolutely the background,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: then like the podcast, if we just dove into conspiracy,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: then we'd be it'd be like three hours or just
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: like the why. So no, it makes sense. I'm not
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: mad at it.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of why and yeah, we'll get to
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: it on the next episode. A Tiff will be joining
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: me again. We're recording from our respective bunkers in COVID
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: nineteen disinfected zone in Los Angeles. We have barcodes on
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: our wrists. We can't move if those don't get scanned.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: It's intense right now, but we are really still providing
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: the content for you. A Tiff, do you have anything
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: to plug before we get out of here?
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Additif myers on Twitter and Instagram, listen to my stand
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: up on Spotify and yeah, yeah that's it.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to this. Yeah.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: By the way, hey, thank you for doing it. I
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. This is Uh. Like I said, this is
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: the first episode I've recorded since I shut the studio down.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: So thank you for being a part of this and
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: uh helping me realize it's not going to be that bad.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: This is a good episode. Things will be fine.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: We'll live.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: Hey, Test, don't die.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: I'll try not to. If I do, it's your fault
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: because I've exposed you.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what if I gave you coronavirus over the skype call?
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: Oh fuck, who knows how it's transferred? No one knows.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: It couldn't be real. What coronavirus is? The real guys,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: Huh No, it's fucking real, And wash your guy damn
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: hands and asks.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: If I did, you know what I would say about
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: that situation. No one man should have that much power.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: Full circle, motherfuckers. That's what we in the industry call
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: a callback, and it's probably the appropriate point to end
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: this podcast. We will be next, We will be next. No,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: we will be back back next week to talk about
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: what really happened to Malcolm X, which probably isn't that
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: much different from the official story, but it's a little different.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: It's way different.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a whole documentary about it, six parts that's
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: a lot, it's a lot of time.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: Well whatever, we'll we'll talk about it, we'll talk about it, then.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: We'll get to it, all right, Tiff, thank you so
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: much for doing it. I appreciate it, of course, telling
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: people goodbye, peace, goodbye everybody. We love you.