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Joel Sherman’s surprising key to Mets offseason + Deesha Thosar’s offseason report on the NY teams · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: My name is Dshathosar, and I'm a baseball writer for
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Speaker 1: Fox Sports as well as the chapter chairman in New York.
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Speaker 1: It's my pleasure to welcome you here tonight.
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Speaker 2: I want to say this, no matter where you come from,
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Speaker 2: no matter how long the road feels, no matter how
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Speaker 2: many times you hear not yet or not possible, keep going,
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Speaker 2: bet on your work, trust the process, and don't let
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Speaker 2: anyone else to find your ceiling. I'm here right now
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Speaker 2: because I don't understand the word can't.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Brewers contingent was going to be here tonight
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Speaker 3: but couldn't because we're spending on money and lowering the
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Speaker 3: soap dispensers in the locker room. Because we just picked
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Speaker 3: up one of your prospects, Jet Williams. He's like five
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Speaker 3: to five, So how we roll?
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Speaker 4: You know, I've been in this town a long time
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Speaker 4: and doing him and I know you two times and
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Speaker 4: then you go to two time MVP and all that stuff,
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Speaker 4: three time and everything like that.
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Speaker 5: But don't get too big for your to be pinstracked,
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Speaker 5: because this is my town. Okay, this is my town.
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Speaker 5: I just want you to know that a lot of
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Speaker 5: you save up to come to one game risk kind
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Speaker 5: of hit on the head.
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Speaker 2: You guys save up to come to one game to
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Speaker 2: watch us play, watch me play, and I just that's
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Speaker 2: what's about.
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Speaker 5: I want to give you guys the best and put
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Speaker 5: on a show for you.
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Speaker 6: Congratulations to all of you, and do you have achievements, especially
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Speaker 6: to the eighty six Mids team. I now know the
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Speaker 6: feeling of what it's like to become a Motor champion
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Speaker 6: and it's great.
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Speaker 7: For a rookie Catcher thought he was gonna be a
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Speaker 7: hockey player. Not bad way to go, Drake. You're in
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Speaker 7: the respect to your teammates, trust so much, your pictures.
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Speaker 7: They actually gave you a nickname. And I don't know
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Speaker 7: if people know this, but his nickname is the Hammer.
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Speaker 7: I'm gonna have to let you explain why it's not
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Speaker 7: what you think. But we'll let Drake explain that when
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Speaker 7: he comes up here.
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Speaker 8: Wow, what a night.
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Speaker 5: What a night.
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Speaker 9: Now, let's recap it and then we'll talk about some
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Speaker 9: Mets and Yanks a little bit later too, with d
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Speaker 9: shit Tozar who's joining us right now, who did a
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Speaker 9: fantastic job hosting on Saturday the BBWAA Awards. The New
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Speaker 9: York Chapter the gala at the Hill in New York
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Speaker 9: City was just so good. So Star started Disha, great job.
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Speaker 8: How was thank you?
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Speaker 10: Thank you? I appreciate that.
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Speaker 1: It was really cool. It's actually cool to watch those
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Speaker 1: highlights back in that form after kind of posting the
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Speaker 1: whole thing. Still catching my breath. But this is definitely
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Speaker 1: one of the best dinners even I've been a part
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Speaker 1: of ever attended. I've attended like five of these now,
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Speaker 1: and it's just you know, once the players actually make
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Speaker 1: the commitment to come, it ends up being a great dinner.
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Speaker 1: But this time, everyone also brought their sense of humor,
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Speaker 1: so I think that kind of really put it over
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Speaker 1: the top. And that speech from Schemes was amazing. It
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Speaker 1: was really inspiring. And then a lot of those presenters
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Speaker 1: and award winners just were really funny, and I think
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Speaker 1: that's that's kind of a sense of what we needed
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Speaker 1: right now, right keep it light, keep it moving before
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Speaker 1: the snowstorm, and everyone brought their a game and that
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Speaker 1: made for a great dinner.
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Speaker 10: It was a really great night.
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Speaker 4: Normally we have you on and we're going to ask
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Speaker 4: about the Mets and the Yankees coming up, But were
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Speaker 4: you nervous because for people don't know how you hosted,
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Speaker 4: and hosting you were the MC whatever you want to
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Speaker 4: call it, Like you were up there the entire time.
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Speaker 4: You had to keep your keep it short because the
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Speaker 4: snow was coming and everybody was afraid about the snow,
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Speaker 4: even though we all got out by seven in the morning.
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Speaker 5: But were you nervous? Were you nervous and would you
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Speaker 5: enjoy doing it again?
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Speaker 1: Oh to that second question, undred percent, which is a
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Speaker 1: good thing because I get another one of these. But
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Speaker 1: the day of I really wasn't nervous, And I think
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Speaker 1: that's because leading up to it, I was over prepared,
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Speaker 1: which is exactly where I wanted to be. I was
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Speaker 1: stressed for weeks before. My brother like right after the
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Speaker 1: dinner was like, it's good to have you back, Like
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Speaker 1: you were not the same person this last week because
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Speaker 1: I was just really trying to hone it and focus
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Speaker 1: so that the day of the event I could actually
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Speaker 1: enjoy it and really try to be present and take
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Speaker 1: it all in, because I do not take this lightly.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there are so few writers that even get
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Speaker 1: to be a part of the BBWA alone get to
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Speaker 1: host it, so be a chapter chair and get to
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Speaker 1: host it. That way so day of event, I was
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Speaker 1: surprised at at not being nervous, but definitely leading up
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Speaker 1: to it, there was a mixed bag of emotions there,
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Speaker 1: all good.
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Speaker 11: Stuff, allga Zeff well deserved. Now I want to get
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Speaker 11: on some topics. I want to talk a little about
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Speaker 11: the Mets here, Freddie Peralta. Now the pitching depth is
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Speaker 11: getting there. The Mets have a really really good top end.
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Speaker 11: Start to hear this kind of solidifies a little bit
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Speaker 11: of what they want. And now do you see this
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Speaker 11: being one of the top rotations in the league moving forward?
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Speaker 10: I think it has the potential to be.
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Speaker 1: They have a super high ceiling, especially now with Baralta.
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Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, they've needed an a since de Gram
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Speaker 1: left for the Rangers, so this was way way, way
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Speaker 1: overdue just to have that kind of reliable arm leading them.
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Speaker 1: And then I think David Sterns the other day at
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Speaker 1: the introduction for Boba Schett made a good point in
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Speaker 1: that there are actually a lot of potential ases in
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Speaker 1: this and I think that goes back to that super
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Speaker 1: high ceiling. Lac Lane we saw he had the potential
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Speaker 1: to be an ace. We've seen Manaya bnace before, We've
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Speaker 1: seen Senga Bna's and his rookie year, and then there's
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Speaker 1: good depth there with Peterson and Holmes. The flip side
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Speaker 1: of that is there's a lot of risk, and I
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Speaker 1: think that part of it hasn't changed from this year
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Speaker 1: to the way that the Mets started the season last year.
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Speaker 1: If all goes right, great, but if it doesn't, where
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Speaker 1: are they going to turn to? And then even their death,
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Speaker 1: they're counting on guys who are young Jonah Toong. I
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Speaker 1: think one person that is kind of getting slept on
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Speaker 1: is Christian Scott. He had Tommy John that hybrid surgery
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Speaker 1: September twenty twenty four. He missed the entire last season,
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Speaker 1: but now he's ready to go. He's going to be
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Speaker 1: a major part of spring training right as soon as
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Speaker 1: camp starts.
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Speaker 10: So that's another.
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Speaker 1: Risk though, right he was solid in his debut in
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Speaker 1: nine starts right before he had the surgery, but is
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Speaker 1: he going.
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Speaker 10: To bounce back?
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Speaker 1: So of course there's question marks rotation. But I think
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Speaker 1: the potential here is great for the Mets, and there's
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Speaker 1: there's still underlying concern over the course of of course
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Speaker 1: the long season DCA.
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Speaker 4: You're saying that they pretty much built the rotation like
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Speaker 4: they built it last year, with a lot of hope
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Speaker 4: and wishes and Freddy. So it's yeah, because I getting
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Speaker 4: rescerated by Mets fans. You are a great writer. You're
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Speaker 4: talking about the Mets. Is there a need for the
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Speaker 4: Mets front office to change their approach because any team
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Speaker 4: you said, any team has issues.
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Speaker 5: Oh, we don't know what's going to happen.
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Speaker 4: But they're going back into the season with hopes and
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Speaker 4: wishes and Freddy Peralta.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I don't know about change their approach necessarily. This is
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Speaker 1: a huge change. I think even them getting Peralta and
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Speaker 1: starting the season with the ace, there was a moment
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Speaker 1: there where if they hadn't pulled this off, then it
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Speaker 1: definitely would have been we can talk about changing an approach,
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Speaker 1: but they've needed a front end starter for a long time,
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Speaker 1: and they knew that they're not living in La la
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Speaker 1: land over there and not acknowledging those concerns and weaknesses
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Speaker 1: of their pitching staff. I think if the plan is,
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Speaker 1: you know, get this step together, see what you have
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Speaker 1: in camp, put your best foot forward, regardless of injuries
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Speaker 1: up until basically making it to the trade deadline and
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Speaker 1: then seeing who becomes available, potentially needing another starter there.
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Speaker 1: I think that's where I'd like to see the change
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Speaker 1: in approach a little bit, is just really filling the
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Speaker 1: needs at the trade deadline and not wasting that opportunity.
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Speaker 1: I think we've seen the Mets kind of go back
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Speaker 1: and forth, not really being willing.
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Speaker 10: To push their chips across the table.
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Speaker 1: They finally did parting with two top prospects, especially Brandon
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Speaker 1: Sprote for Peralta. That kind of that trend has to continue,
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Speaker 1: and I think that's that's especially what I'm looking for
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Speaker 1: at least in the middle of the season and going
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Speaker 1: towards the second half eventually.
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Speaker 4: Do you feel like Mets fans are getting some mixed
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Speaker 4: messaging when you hear run prevention, run prevention and then
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Speaker 4: they go get Boba Schett to play a position he's
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Speaker 4: never played, Jorge Polonko to play a position he's never played,
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Speaker 4: and Marcus Simeon's a good defender, maybe he's thirty seven?
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Speaker 5: Is there is?
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Speaker 4: But with Boba Schett, do they feel like it was,
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Speaker 4: you know, a mixed messaging because it's like, hey, we
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Speaker 4: are worried about run prevention crap.
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Speaker 5: We need somebody that can really hit.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, definitely a little bit.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd go so far as to
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Speaker 1: say mixed messaging, because I think they're focused on it
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Speaker 1: for sure. The Met's on run prevention and how that
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Speaker 1: really was a detriment to their season last year. Part
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Speaker 1: of it and their plan of going out and getting
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Speaker 1: two guys like you mentioned Bishett and Polanca who have
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Speaker 1: never played those positions before. David sterns acknowledged a couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks ago that yeah, they're going to be in
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Speaker 1: a learning curve. He's not going to deny that I
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Speaker 1: think that learning curve is going to be tough this year,
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Speaker 1: especially because they're not going to be a full team
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Speaker 1: during spring training, and that's when a lot of this
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Speaker 1: chemistry forms, especially for the infield. They have two guys
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Speaker 1: up in the middle who they feel really good about,
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Speaker 1: Lindor and Simeon. Lindor is going to be in the
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Speaker 1: WBC and he's going to not be at spring training
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Speaker 1: for a little bit. Polanco has been working out at
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Speaker 1: first he says he's looking okay, and Carlos Mendez and
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Speaker 1: the manager mentioned Polanco specifically as someone he is going
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Speaker 1: to be looking out for to make sure he's transitioning
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Speaker 1: okay to first.
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Speaker 10: Bishett really impressed.
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Speaker 1: Me even in the World Series, I mean moving from
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Speaker 1: shortstop to second base. And then in his introduction his
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Speaker 1: press conference, he said, I put my ego aside right
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Speaker 1: then and I'm ready.
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Speaker 10: To do whatever it takes. These guys are all super athletic,
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Speaker 10: they're all shortstops. The Cadres tried this a.
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Speaker 1: Couple of years ago, filling their infield with shortstops, and
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Speaker 1: they ended up in the top ten in the league
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Speaker 1: in terms of fueling metrics. So there's there's some opportunity there.
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Speaker 1: I think maybe they're underplaying a little bit. How much
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Speaker 1: of that adjustment will be. I think the WBC is
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Speaker 1: getting a little bit in the way of the work
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Speaker 1: that they're going to need to do.
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Speaker 11: Okay, let's talk about another play, Luis Robert. They that's
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Speaker 11: kind of looking for a little lightning in a bottle here,
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Speaker 11: because health issues, won struggles a little bit, strikeouts, and
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Speaker 11: we know the defense, like, what are they trying to
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Speaker 11: get out of him? Is this like we're putting our
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Speaker 11: money where our mouth is right now and hopefully, you know,
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Speaker 11: the fruits of the labor can come back and show
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Speaker 11: queens what he's all about.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think this was a really nice pickup for them,
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Speaker 1: especially because of where the outfield market was this year,
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Speaker 1: especially after Bellinger went off the board and he went
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Speaker 1: to the Yankees. Really they needed to look at the
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Speaker 1: trade market. Another one I had my eye on as
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Speaker 1: a potential fix there was bust In, but it doesn't
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Speaker 1: look like he was actually going to be traded at
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Speaker 1: any point. So with Robert, of course, this is going
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Speaker 1: to be all about keeping him on the field, and
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Speaker 1: they are going to have to give him a lot
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Speaker 1: of rest dayes to kind of manage his workload and
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Speaker 1: figure out something that works for him. If his back
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Speaker 1: gets hot and he kind of returns to that twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty three All star level, then keep him where he
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Speaker 1: needs to be if his little injured. They actually the
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Speaker 1: Mets have some versatility there in terms of who they
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Speaker 1: can slot in at DH, who they can fill in
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Speaker 1: in the outfield. The Robert they didn't for Louise Rabba.
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Speaker 1: They didn't give up a lot. They had no space
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Speaker 1: for Akunya. That's especially why I like it. But again,
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Speaker 1: this rests on a huge question Margaret is talking to
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Speaker 1: just now with Eric. Is that another big player here
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Speaker 1: is going to be potentially Carson Bench and the Mets
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Speaker 1: have been talking about him all season. They're ready for
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Speaker 1: him to take the next step. Is he going to
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Speaker 1: right like there's a lot relying only on that so far.
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Speaker 1: If they don't make another move to fill in another
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Speaker 1: outfield spot. In left field, it's a lot of pressure
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Speaker 1: too for a young kid. So there's I would just
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Speaker 1: really term all of the hopes and dreams that they
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Speaker 1: have a lot of high potential. It has to all
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Speaker 1: go right for the Mets in order for it to
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Speaker 1: work out.
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Speaker 4: The Mets are the gift where the guys just like
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Speaker 4: sitting eating popcorn right now, like, I can't wait. I'm
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Speaker 4: so excited to watch it because from the beginning all
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Speaker 4: season to now it's been just theater. So good for
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Speaker 4: you that you get to follow this team. Will there
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Speaker 4: be another move? Are the Mets done? In your opinion?
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Speaker 4: Obviously you can hear anything that David Sterns says, But
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Speaker 4: do you feel like they're done done?
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Speaker 1: I do, I really do, especially after that bizarre, crazy
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Speaker 1: week they had with Bishett Robert Perrault all at once.
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Speaker 1: Even the sense within the Mets was okay, great, now
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Speaker 1: we're ready to go, ready for the season, excited, kind
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Speaker 1: of turning the page. There's going to be of course,
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Speaker 1: def moves. David Sterns loves to say he's never done,
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Speaker 1: adding so in that sense, they're not done. But I
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Speaker 1: think with major players they aren't. And it is insane.
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Speaker 1: And looking at the lineup that is a really good
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Speaker 1: looking lineup, and it's so different than last year. It's
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Speaker 1: going to be a completely different clubhouse. But there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of excitement there and I think Mets fans, like
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Speaker 1: you pointed out, have been through a lot. It's been
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Speaker 1: a long off season getting rid of the core, and
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Speaker 1: there's actually hope and excitement at the end of it.
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Speaker 1: Is no one could have even predicted did that they
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Speaker 1: could pull this off the Met's.
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Speaker 10: Front office, So props to them.
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Speaker 1: I think at least you know, it's exciting and they
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Speaker 1: have a chance, which is where they needed to be.
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Speaker 4: Right now, we're gonna go from Queen's over to the Bronx.
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Speaker 4: They signed Bellinger back. Cody Bellinger signs back kind of
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Speaker 4: was yeah, we kind of knew that was going to
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Speaker 4: happen since he signed back. What I'm hearing is, oh,
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Speaker 4: they're running the same team back, But that's the same
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Speaker 4: team that led the league in runs created plus, So yeah,
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Speaker 4: is that a bad thing that they're running this team back,
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Speaker 4: because I don't think this offense is bad. I think
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Speaker 4: they might be a little short on starting pitching to
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Speaker 4: start the season, But is it bad that they signed
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Speaker 4: him back and now they're running the same offense back
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Speaker 4: which was led the league.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's bad. No, especially not with Bellinger back.
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Speaker 1: And it's funny. I asked Aaron Boone during the Windy meetings.
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Speaker 1: It was how do you close the gap with the
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Speaker 1: Blue Jays, especially with how far they went the World
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Speaker 1: Series the dominant.
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Speaker 10: They looked like they could take down the.
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Speaker 1: Dodgers, and he was like, uh, we have the same
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Speaker 1: record as the Blue Jays in the regular season, is
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Speaker 1: though both ninety four wins. Looking at that, yes, I
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Speaker 1: think when we were looking at each series that the
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Speaker 1: Yankees even matched up with the Blue Jays, they looked
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Speaker 1: like they were playing a little bit of catch up.
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Speaker 1: They looked like they were very caught off guard by
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Speaker 1: how the Blue Jays style of play was just putting
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Speaker 1: the ball in play. I think they're going to be
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Speaker 1: different this year, the Yankees, especially within the division, how
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Speaker 1: they face it, how they're going to focus more on
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Speaker 1: batting average again, all of this I think is going
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Speaker 1: to be part of their armle like it was last
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Speaker 1: year and it was a good offense. I think my
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Speaker 1: concern definitely goes back to that pitching staff and very
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Speaker 1: curious how Garrett Cole is going to look coming back,
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Speaker 1: how Rodona is going to be after going to be
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Speaker 1: on the injured list to start this season, and Cam Schlitler, right,
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Speaker 1: is he going to be like the same pitcher we
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Speaker 1: saw who ended that season dominant and feisty in that
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Speaker 1: little egg that the Yankees have needed, especially in their rotation.
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Speaker 1: I think if everything goes right, the Yankees have one
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Speaker 1: of the best rotations in baseball, no doubt. And Max
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Speaker 1: Freed too, especially with him stepping up, so they look
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Speaker 1: in a good position. I understand the conservative the Yankees
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Speaker 1: fans that they're just running it back, but there's still
17:18
Speaker 1: one of the dominant teams in the league, and really
17:20
Speaker 1: the difference is going to be turning it on getting
17:22
Speaker 1: hot in the playoffs again like they did when they
17:26
Speaker 1: took the Dodgers to the World Series.
17:28
Speaker 11: I'm gonna steal question at Kratzy says, are they done
17:32
Speaker 11: right now? Are they going to try and find somebody
17:34
Speaker 11: and get another picture, because you know, Rodan Cole and
17:39
Speaker 11: like these guys Schmid, they're not ready to rock. I
17:41
Speaker 11: feel like maybe one more starting pitcher or do you
17:44
Speaker 11: feel like that's It.
17:46
Speaker 1: Does feel a little bit like I don't know that
17:48
Speaker 1: they need to make a huge move now for a
17:50
Speaker 1: starting pitcher unless there were some trade options available. I mean,
17:55
Speaker 1: like if the Yankees are going to go for someone
17:57
Speaker 1: like Framber Valdez, I know I wouldn't think so. More
18:00
Speaker 1: so if the Twins were actually open to letting go
18:02
Speaker 1: of Joe Ryan, these could be another potentially trade deadline moves,
18:06
Speaker 1: depending on where their injuries at, where their depth is.
18:09
Speaker 1: But one thing that is going under the radar is
18:11
Speaker 1: their acquisition of Brian Weathers.
18:13
Speaker 10: It's kind of huge.
18:14
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been really consistent and there's a lot
18:16
Speaker 1: of upside there too, and I think him just kind
18:19
Speaker 1: of filling into that. If they hadn't done that, I
18:22
Speaker 1: would say they definitely need to go get a starter.
18:24
Speaker 1: This was kind of an under the radar move that's
18:26
Speaker 1: going classic Brian Cashman move that is going to help
18:29
Speaker 1: them in the long run, but it's not super splashy
18:32
Speaker 1: right now where everybody's talking about it. And that was
18:35
Speaker 1: huge for the pitching staff.
18:37
Speaker 4: All right, Well you mentioned it for both teams, so
18:39
Speaker 4: the Mets and the Yankees. You said could be one
18:42
Speaker 4: of the best rotations in baseball. I feel like that's
18:45
Speaker 4: being thrown around too much.
18:46
Speaker 5: Dshan.
18:46
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's your fault. I'm saying I see
18:49
Speaker 4: it all the time on Twitter. Which rotation today, not
18:53
Speaker 4: when they get rodin back, not if Sanga does which
18:57
Speaker 4: rotation is better than Mets or the Yankees.
19:00
Speaker 1: Today currently with Cole on the IL, with Roddan on
19:05
Speaker 1: the IL, the.
19:06
Speaker 10: Better rotation is super close.
19:09
Speaker 1: I think I'll still go with the Yankees just because
19:11
Speaker 1: they have more proven arms in that rotation, Max Freed
19:15
Speaker 1: being there as huge.
19:16
Speaker 10: They have guys who have filled in regularly.
19:19
Speaker 1: Too many question marks in the Mets rotation for me
19:21
Speaker 1: to say they're better right now. Like you said, they
19:25
Speaker 1: both have the potential. This could be flip flopped at
19:28
Speaker 1: the end of the season if all goes right, but
19:30
Speaker 1: just the proven numbers versus h I don't know, We'll see,
19:34
Speaker 1: we need bounce back.
19:35
Speaker 10: I'm going with the Yankees on this one.
19:40
Speaker 8: Okay, there you go.
19:41
Speaker 4: I mean it means the Mets rotation isn't that good,
19:44
Speaker 4: That's what I'm getting that. Like, I just feel I
19:47
Speaker 4: just I feel terrible for Mets fans because they went
19:49
Speaker 4: out and got that Ace and right now the Yankees
19:53
Speaker 4: rotation is depleted, beleaguered, whatever you're gonna say. And Desha
19:58
Speaker 4: still thinks that they're better. Agree Like I would agree
20:01
Speaker 4: with you, and that's not to me. That's not a
20:03
Speaker 4: good place for the Mets to.
20:04
Speaker 1: Be Well, the difference right between those two is that
20:07
Speaker 1: the Yankees have multiple aces proven aces. The Mets have
20:13
Speaker 1: multiple potential ases. They've been aces in the past. Are
20:17
Speaker 1: they going to be that level?
20:19
Speaker 10: Again?
20:19
Speaker 1: Nobody knows. You can count on guys in the Yankees rotation.
20:23
Speaker 1: I mean, we can say there's doubt about Garrett Cole,
20:26
Speaker 1: there's not. He's Garrett Cole. When he comes back, he's
20:29
Speaker 1: going to be some semblance of his old self. And
20:32
Speaker 1: Max Fried phenomenal he had just did so well to
20:35
Speaker 1: New York and Cam Schlitzler is being talked about in
20:38
Speaker 1: the same way that Nolan MacLean is being talked about.
20:40
Speaker 1: So I think in that way it really just goes
20:43
Speaker 1: down to sure it could happen. I think there should
20:47
Speaker 1: be more trust in young guys with the Mets. Maybe
20:51
Speaker 1: not as much doubt as we're casting on them, but
20:54
Speaker 1: it's hard not to write. So I think, to me,
20:57
Speaker 1: it just comes down to proven versus maybe and then
21:00
Speaker 1: maybe is not a bad place to be. But we've
21:03
Speaker 1: seen a lot of maybes in the meds these last
21:05
Speaker 1: couple of years.
21:07
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, you were on with us almost a
21:08
Speaker 9: year ago and you nailed it. You said, yeah, it's
21:11
Speaker 9: fine for now, but let's see what it looks like
21:13
Speaker 9: later in the year. And it looked like they were
21:15
Speaker 9: calling on guys that they shouldn't be calling on yet
21:18
Speaker 9: to save their season. So it's a good call. Yeah,
21:20
Speaker 9: I think it's better than it was last year. I'm
21:22
Speaker 9: a huge Freddy Peultan.
21:23
Speaker 8: I think we all are.
21:24
Speaker 9: But I understand the point there from Kratz. You'd like
21:27
Speaker 9: to see one more arm add it. Dsha, this was great,
21:30
Speaker 9: thank you for joining us, but again, congrats on an
21:33
Speaker 9: excellent event and a great hosting job. It was super fun,
21:36
Speaker 9: like the pace was perfect, the one liners, everything was great.
21:41
Speaker 9: So really enjoyed it and so did the whole audience. Right,
21:44
Speaker 9: we had a great live streaming audience going there, So
21:46
Speaker 9: thanks again, Dsha.
21:47
Speaker 8: Good to see you.
21:47
Speaker 1: It's great, Thank you so much. Guys, happy to be
21:50
Speaker 1: on anytime.
21:51
Speaker 8: Joel Sherman's joining us right now. New York Post MLB Network.
21:54
Speaker 13: Studied down No, no, not at all.
21:56
Speaker 9: Brought Yeah, and hey, I mean this is a really
21:59
Speaker 9: cool night, of course for the New York Baseball writers.
22:02
Speaker 9: But we were just saying, how this is about as
22:05
Speaker 9: good as it gets in terms of Star Wars power, tonight.
22:08
Speaker 13: Yeah, no, I love this dinner. I've been involved in
22:11
Speaker 13: it in some way for what are the years, and
22:17
Speaker 13: ken this first time in like about ten years, I
22:20
Speaker 13: didn't get to present something. I'm glad you got it.
22:22
Speaker 13: Allow me to drink earlier. But yeah, I like vert all.
22:27
Speaker 13: I like you that the awards are kind of like
22:29
Speaker 13: as opposed to many awards, they last a week when
22:32
Speaker 13: we announce them because because really the MVP and the
22:35
Speaker 13: cy Young's in particular are so big that the rookies
22:37
Speaker 13: and the managers would be swallowed whole if we did
22:39
Speaker 13: it on one night, right, like, so like you get
22:42
Speaker 13: the day for the managers, you get the day for
22:44
Speaker 13: the rookies, then the size, then the MVP. I like that,
22:47
Speaker 13: And then that the players still care to come here
22:50
Speaker 13: where again being romantic, where Babe Ruth came, where lu
22:53
Speaker 13: Garrett came, where every great player of the last century.
22:57
Speaker 13: It's the one hundred first dinner has come to accept
23:00
Speaker 13: the wards. I mean, we've come a long way. They
23:03
Speaker 13: used to put on skits. Can you imagine we were
23:04
Speaker 13: still trying to be funny and do that now? But uh, yeah, no,
23:08
Speaker 13: it's a great night.
23:10
Speaker 8: Oh you would have loved that Aja part of.
23:14
Speaker 13: And all you have to do is threaten a snowstorm,
23:16
Speaker 13: and we did it in two forty five, right because
23:18
Speaker 13: this thing could drag sometimes.
23:20
Speaker 8: Bitchclock on this one with the storm. What was I mean?
23:23
Speaker 9: I don't want to say favorite moment, but a notable
23:25
Speaker 9: moment for you that you really like. We were talking
23:27
Speaker 9: about maybe a speech you like or somebody up there
23:29
Speaker 9: that you were excited to see.
23:29
Speaker 13: I love that Otani did his thing in English again,
23:32
Speaker 13: which was the second time, the first, the first time.
23:36
Speaker 13: I don't want to get this wrong. I believe he's
23:37
Speaker 13: come to the dinner four of the five times he
23:39
Speaker 13: was honored Rookie of the Year and three of his MVPs.
23:41
Speaker 12: I think last year was the only and one of
23:45
Speaker 12: them he did it in Japanese with a translator and
23:47
Speaker 12: said the next time, I, if I ever make it
23:50
Speaker 12: here again, I will do it in English. And he
23:52
Speaker 12: has done it now in English, and I thought this
23:54
Speaker 12: was much more even expansive than last time, which is
23:56
Speaker 12: impressive for somebody who's failed every language you could fail
24:00
Speaker 12: when they were in school.
24:01
Speaker 13: So I thought that was great. The eighty six team
24:05
Speaker 13: here means so much like those guys weren't up there
24:08
Speaker 13: very long, but it's the last met champion, it is
24:12
Speaker 13: forty years. It just means so much to that group,
24:16
Speaker 13: that fan base, which is forty percent of the city
24:19
Speaker 13: probably you know, if you start thinking about the demographic
24:23
Speaker 13: of it all. I always think that the good guy
24:27
Speaker 13: for us matters a great deal. This is our chapter.
24:29
Speaker 13: We generally, if you were at our meeting in November,
24:33
Speaker 13: nothing gets discussed more at our meeting, then who's the
24:37
Speaker 13: good guy? Because it matters so much to us? Because
24:39
Speaker 13: I do mean this sincerely to the two ballplayers who
24:41
Speaker 13: are here. We recognize there's generally an in your space
24:46
Speaker 13: feel to this. We recognize we're talking to you at
24:48
Speaker 13: bad moments often like this is whatever, and how professional
24:53
Speaker 13: almost everyone is. And then we want to decide who
24:56
Speaker 13: are the people who go beyond above and beyond. And
24:59
Speaker 13: Clay Holmes and two different stops in New York went
25:02
Speaker 13: above and beyond for us, that guy is like on
25:05
Speaker 13: his worst days, and I mean there was some bad
25:07
Speaker 13: moments in twenty four when he lost his job. That
25:10
Speaker 13: guy was accountable, but more thancountable, not accountable in a
25:14
Speaker 13: cliched way, in an interesting introspective way discussing his successes
25:19
Speaker 13: and failures. He's an impressive guy. So I personally, I
25:23
Speaker 13: think our chapter it means a lot to an end.
25:25
Speaker 13: I know it means a lot to me because I
25:26
Speaker 13: do honestly with the two players here, I get it.
25:30
Speaker 13: That's not the greatest time in the world to be
25:32
Speaker 13: asked a question fifteen minutes after a bad moment, and
25:35
Speaker 13: guys who handle it professionally and well, I'm always appreciable.
25:38
Speaker 14: And on top of all that, Laura Albanez from Newsday
25:41
Speaker 14: was the person who presented that award, and she mentioned
25:46
Speaker 14: from Abby Yes from The Daily News that Abby had
25:49
Speaker 14: mentioned that she asked Holmes to show her his grips yes,
25:54
Speaker 14: and Holmes did it without a question, And to Abby
25:57
Speaker 14: as a woman, it meant a lot because that's not
26:00
Speaker 14: always something that might be done. And Laura, of course
26:03
Speaker 14: is writer for Newsday, the chairman of the chapter. Right now,
26:06
Speaker 14: Disha writes for Fox Sports dot Com. And it was
26:09
Speaker 14: a big night for them to finally be kind of
26:12
Speaker 14: in the limelight. And it's tough for women in this business.
26:16
Speaker 14: It's tough covering baseball and everybody's comment things and then women.
26:20
Speaker 8: Don't know it.
26:21
Speaker 14: No they were at their benuts off and to see
26:23
Speaker 14: them recognize like that, to me, that was special.
26:26
Speaker 5: Ken.
26:27
Speaker 13: Unfortunately, you and I are old enough, right, we remember
26:29
Speaker 13: when it was even much tougher for them. I go
26:31
Speaker 13: back long enough. I was the vice chairman for Claire Smith,
26:35
Speaker 13: who I'm glad was here tonight in honor tonight and
26:37
Speaker 13: recognized as the first female chairman. She was great. I
26:42
Speaker 13: followed her as I was her vice chairman. Then I
26:44
Speaker 13: was the chairman I think in ninety seven and ninety eight,
26:47
Speaker 13: like so, she was ninety five ninety six and she
26:51
Speaker 13: was a real trailblazer. And I just think, can you know,
26:54
Speaker 13: you work with a lot of women at the athletic
26:56
Speaker 13: I think they're kind of among If they're not the
26:59
Speaker 13: best and brighter, they're certain among the best of what
27:01
Speaker 13: we're doing here, you know. So yeah, I I yes,
27:07
Speaker 13: So it was good night. And by the way, Steph
27:08
Speaker 13: Epstein would have been the chair person, but you gave
27:11
Speaker 13: birth to a child, so she had to give up
27:14
Speaker 13: the chairmanship.
27:16
Speaker 8: That's cool.
27:17
Speaker 9: Well, uh if I can, I mean, obviously you're you're
27:20
Speaker 9: covering the Mets and the Yanks. I think the timing too,
27:23
Speaker 9: with this audience it's cool, right, you're in the off season.
27:26
Speaker 9: It just so happens that forget the Winter Meetings. The
27:28
Speaker 9: Mets just did everything in the past week. So I
27:30
Speaker 9: mean I came, didn't they the family business here and
27:35
Speaker 9: you get, you know, some of the jokes and things
27:37
Speaker 9: mixed in throughout the evening. You've also got some you know,
27:40
Speaker 9: Yankees players that are now Mets the whole deal. But
27:42
Speaker 9: your thought on like the week really, I could say
27:44
Speaker 9: in baseball here for the Mets and the Yankees they
27:47
Speaker 9: brought Bellinger back, but just the pulse because there are
27:49
Speaker 9: a lot of fans here of course in New York
27:51
Speaker 9: that we're excited.
27:52
Speaker 13: Yes, So so it's something you know again, I was
27:57
Speaker 13: I wanted to point out Aja and and Uh and Cratzy.
28:01
Speaker 13: Nobody's better at what at this than Ken, right, like
28:04
Speaker 13: what we do, Like he's he's a way and Ken
28:09
Speaker 13: and I talk Offen I counted as a friend and
28:12
Speaker 13: somebody I look up to in the business. And one
28:14
Speaker 13: of the things I know I was talking to him
28:15
Speaker 13: about it the Winter meetings is like, I think this
28:18
Speaker 13: is a social media thing more than anything where I
28:21
Speaker 13: have to ask people who are overreacting in real time like,
28:24
Speaker 13: are you dumb or you're just playing dumb because it's
28:27
Speaker 13: such a good lane to be in for attention. Now, Like,
28:30
Speaker 13: do you actually think, like David Stearns and Steve Cohen
28:32
Speaker 13: don't know what the issues are with the Mets, And
28:34
Speaker 13: do you actually think they're not going to act at
28:36
Speaker 13: some point spring training even with everything is still two
28:39
Speaker 13: weeks away, the regular season is eight weeks away. The
28:42
Speaker 13: July thirty first trade deadline is forever away, and like
28:45
Speaker 13: the idea that they weren't going to act at some
28:48
Speaker 13: point definitively and by doing something that at least would
28:52
Speaker 13: make you go, yeah, I believe in that if like
28:54
Speaker 13: the Dodgers didn't exist, I could see them winning the
28:57
Speaker 13: National League and maybe they will win it anyway. You know,
28:59
Speaker 13: the Dodger this almost lost the World Series this year,
29:01
Speaker 13: They almost lost to the Padres the year before, so
29:03
Speaker 13: who knows. And I kind of feel the same way
29:05
Speaker 13: about the Yankees, where like the Yankees are doing nothing
29:07
Speaker 13: and I'm like, you know, they build big casinos in Vegas,
29:10
Speaker 13: the number two over under team, and the whole sport
29:12
Speaker 13: is the Yankees behind the Dodgers, Like everyone would like
29:15
Speaker 13: to be doing their version of nothing.
29:17
Speaker 2: Now.
29:17
Speaker 13: Again, I'm a pretty critical guy. I hold them all
29:19
Speaker 13: to high accounts. These are two teams that are actually trying.
29:23
Speaker 13: If you're trying to keep up with the Dodgers, you're
29:25
Speaker 13: probably gonna fail. Players want to play there. It's like
29:28
Speaker 13: you can't move the Pacific Ocean here. You can't move
29:31
Speaker 13: Hollywood here, you can't move the weather here. Steve Cohn
29:33
Speaker 13: has a lot of money. He can't affect geography like,
29:36
Speaker 13: and it has impacted where players want to play like
29:40
Speaker 13: quite frankly, Kyle Tucker went to a place where he's
29:45
Speaker 13: looking at this as a two year contract. Where's the
29:48
Speaker 13: place where for the next two years I could perform
29:50
Speaker 13: great to go back out in the market. And the decision,
29:52
Speaker 13: by the way, the decision I think everyone would make,
29:54
Speaker 13: I'll do the Dodgers instead of anybody else. Jo I'm gonna.
29:58
Speaker 14: Interrupt you here, give you kind words because you're too
30:01
Speaker 14: kind talking about me. Joel wrote a column it's going
30:03
Speaker 14: to be in tomorrow's paper, it's online now about the Mets.
30:07
Speaker 14: Things that didn't happen, that could have happened. Joe, why
30:10
Speaker 14: don't you give us a little bit of a preview
30:13
Speaker 14: of that? For people who might not have read it yet,
30:15
Speaker 14: and you should read it because it was absolutely fascinating.
30:18
Speaker 13: So they they the most important thing I learned over
30:23
Speaker 13: the like the last four or five weeks was the
30:26
Speaker 13: key thing for their offseason, if you keep asking their people,
30:29
Speaker 13: was being able to trade Nemo like they believed. Because
30:32
Speaker 13: he was owed over one hundred million for five years
30:34
Speaker 13: and he had a complete no trade clause, they couldn't
30:37
Speaker 13: do it, and they were horrified of the idea of
30:39
Speaker 13: Nemo and Sodo in the corner outfields already problematic defensively,
30:43
Speaker 13: and not just about twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven, eight,
30:46
Speaker 13: twenty nine thirty. What happens when we have to move
30:49
Speaker 13: both to DH again. Steve Connen has a lot of money,
30:51
Speaker 13: can't get to DH's at one time. I don't think
30:54
Speaker 13: they're going to pass that role. So they saw trading
30:58
Speaker 13: Nemo as the lynchpin to their off season, and when
31:01
Speaker 13: they were able to do it, Simeon work for them
31:04
Speaker 13: because even though it's a little more per year, it's shorter,
31:07
Speaker 13: it's three years, it's a position they didn't have completely filled,
31:09
Speaker 13: and it's defensive, which they wanted to get better at.
31:11
Speaker 13: Run prevention, which was the thing. And once that position
31:15
Speaker 13: opened up, and once it was clear that Alonzo wasn't
31:17
Speaker 13: coming back, they pushed on Kyle Schwarp are harder than
31:21
Speaker 13: people realize, Like, like, the Orioles got a lot of
31:24
Speaker 13: love then. And I do think there was a window
31:25
Speaker 13: where the Orioles could have actually signed the player if
31:28
Speaker 13: they pushed harder. They didn't. The Mets were wanted to
31:31
Speaker 13: do four years. It was the only player they would
31:33
Speaker 13: think of as a DH that they would do it
31:36
Speaker 13: because the plan was for Alonzo to DH five out
31:38
Speaker 13: of every seven games. They had talked to him about
31:40
Speaker 13: it and he said okay, because he thought at that
31:43
Speaker 13: point the Mets might be the only place I get
31:45
Speaker 13: the money, so I better agree to whatever the rules
31:47
Speaker 13: of the game are. So there was that, and so
31:50
Speaker 13: they and that's also when they decided Tucker, let's stay
31:53
Speaker 13: on Tucker, push Tucker. And they were always worried that
31:57
Speaker 13: they'd make a number and the Dodgers would beat it.
31:59
Speaker 13: They made a number, the Dodgers beat it, and they
32:03
Speaker 13: then pivoted hard and got the set.
32:05
Speaker 8: Wow, that's fascinating.
32:07
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's but Nimo, like I like, like that's why,
32:10
Speaker 13: like one of those ones where you begin to report.
32:12
Speaker 13: It's why it's always worthwhile. Don't ask one person, ask
32:14
Speaker 13: ten people. How many of the ten people say something
32:17
Speaker 13: to you like yeah, like Nimo was the key to
32:19
Speaker 13: the off season, and you're like, oh, and so she
32:21
Speaker 13: explained to me how the dominoes work, and the dominoes
32:24
Speaker 13: all fell right for them, because even Simeon for three
32:28
Speaker 13: years over at Second Dase, over Nimo in a corner
32:31
Speaker 13: ralphel for five years, regardless of what the money is
32:33
Speaker 13: for Simeon or how much Simy and I have regressed offensively,
32:37
Speaker 13: it just began to open pathways for them that they
32:42
Speaker 13: didn't quite frankly think we're going to open because of
32:45
Speaker 13: the no trade and how much money he was owed.
32:47
Speaker 9: Well, I'd say there's two things that stand out from
32:50
Speaker 9: what you're saying that fans might either not understand or
32:53
Speaker 9: agree with. One is Nimo's defense right definitely not great
32:58
Speaker 9: or took a step back, But like maybe internally they're
33:01
Speaker 9: thinking worse than what the public is thinking.
33:04
Speaker 13: So so Nimo is such a fascinating case. So I
33:08
Speaker 13: watched this happen with two players who were met players.
33:10
Speaker 13: One was Zach Wheeler and one was branded Nimo. If
33:13
Speaker 13: you showed up at a certain time, you were like,
33:15
Speaker 13: these guys are brittle, they never play. And then Zach
33:18
Speaker 13: Wheeler figured out how to make thirty starts a year
33:20
Speaker 13: and pitch in October. Nimo used to not be able
33:23
Speaker 13: to play. Now he plays one hundred and fifty five
33:25
Speaker 13: to one hundred and sixty two games a year. I
33:27
Speaker 13: think the problem is he plays one hundred and fifty
33:29
Speaker 13: five to one hundred and sixty two games a year,
33:32
Speaker 13: and to play and play the way he plays, which
33:35
Speaker 13: is a leg oriented game, even though he's you know,
33:38
Speaker 13: started pulling the ball, accepted the strikeouts. He breaks down
33:42
Speaker 13: at a higher level than he used to, but plays
33:45
Speaker 13: through it in a way that he used to not
33:47
Speaker 13: be able to play through it. And so that was
33:49
Speaker 13: like the bad news within the good news. Wow, he
33:51
Speaker 13: figured out how to get on the field. Oh no,
33:54
Speaker 13: he figured out how to get on the field, and
33:56
Speaker 13: he's breaking down. And again, I think I said this earlier.
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Speaker 13: It was twenty twenty six problem, But what about twenty
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Speaker 13: twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty. That's what they
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Speaker 13: were into him for, and they were really worried about
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Speaker 13: the physicality moving forward?
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Speaker 8: Can iy one other pushback?
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Speaker 3: Then?
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Speaker 9: Is DH so interested in shore we worried about Soto
34:14
Speaker 9: that would have eventually been to DH's That's what they
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Speaker 9: offered four.
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Speaker 13: They believe that Sodo could hang in like like again,
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Speaker 13: I would love to know what the players think of this,
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Speaker 13: because last year Sodo hit with a coach he really respected,
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Speaker 13: Like I think SODA's one of these guys. If you
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Speaker 13: hear something from a coach that he thinks is nonsense,
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Speaker 13: he shuts down, starts scrolling his phone, and never looks
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Speaker 13: at the guy again. And I think that happened with
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Speaker 13: their hitting group last year, but didn't happen with Antoine
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Speaker 13: Richardson and stolen bases. He has told the Mets this year,
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Speaker 13: I want to be a better defensive player in the
34:46
Speaker 13: way that I wanted to be a better base runner.
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Speaker 13: He is a guy like shouldn't he be able to
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Speaker 13: be major league average? He should be able to like
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Speaker 13: I feel right and so like and by the way,
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Speaker 13: has a good arm and has a high baseball IQ
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Speaker 13: and so to me, like like their feeling was they
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Speaker 13: could live with They couldn't live with four years of
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Speaker 13: Nimo and and Soda. But like Sodo a really good
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Speaker 13: center fielder, really good left fielder, and recommitment by Sodo.
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Speaker 13: And again they were going to allow one player to
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Speaker 13: be a full time DH for them, the guy who's.
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Speaker 8: The best atic aside from Otani.
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Speaker 13: Uh, the guy who's the best of it, who would
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Speaker 13: also bring something to their clubhouse at a time they
35:29
Speaker 13: were worried about their clubhouse.
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Speaker 8: That's really good insight. That's great. Well, make sure you
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Speaker 8: check out Joel's article.
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Speaker 9: Obviously you can get it now on the New York Post,
35:38
Speaker 9: but then also tomorrow if you're looking for if you're
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Speaker 9: looking for it in New York.
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Speaker 8: But Joel, thank you for stopping by.
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Speaker 13: It's great to leve you guys as part of this.
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Speaker 13: Thank you, Like this is the dinner has been better
35:47
Speaker 13: the last two years because you guys have been part
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Speaker 13: of that.
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Speaker 8: I appreciate it.
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Speaker 13: And for somebody who cares about this dinner, we're thrilled
35:53
Speaker 13: that you're part of the dinner.
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Speaker 8: Thank you.
35:54
Speaker 13: Yeah, people know about this we had because before nobody
35:57
Speaker 13: even knew anything I have.
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Speaker 7: People now are like, oh, that's really cool.
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Speaker 13: I never knew any I didn't even know that thing happened.
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Speaker 9: Yes, there are a lot of people that are live
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Speaker 9: streaming this throughout the evening. I mean, if you saw
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Speaker 9: the number for baseball to get that kind of audience
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Speaker 9: on YouTube and some of the other social platforms are
36:13
Speaker 9: on a Saturday night, right, Yeah, this is not baseball
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Speaker 9: time to shine. It shows people will watch this if
36:21
Speaker 9: they can find it.
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Speaker 8: So that was important to us. Anyway, Thank for you guys,
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Speaker 8: Thank you, Yes, appreciate it.