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Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back with Natalie Lucia · The Art of Costume Podcast

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We have Han Solo played by Harrison Ford the same as coat.
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It is an amazing color. I was like all of the Rebel
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should have taken a cue from Han Solo.
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Oh my gosh, can you imagine that Darth Vader we've been coming
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down to Planet saw everyone in these nice CO2.
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Like a, I think that's them. Hello and welcome to the glass
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and I am Darth Lord's been serious.
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How's it going? Elizabeth.
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It's going good. I love how you try to speak or
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tried to sneak your lordship in there.
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Well, still doesn't count know it.
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Counted this time. It's Darth, come on.
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And I actually had a practice that one that's a mouthful.
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Happy, couldn't sell Elizabeth where you at Coachella last week
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or the Weekend. Yeah, I went to Coachella.
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Spencer, you know me, I just gotta go every single year.
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Would you ever go? I feel like we should go next
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year. I mean, I'm not opposed to
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going. I think it would really, really
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depend on who's playing, who's performing.
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Okay, like a Florence and the Machine perhaps or like a
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Florence and the Machine like Beyonce I would go to that.
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Yeah, it was just a prank. I don't even know who was
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performing. There is a bunny, perhaps, the
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no strong sense of fomo with
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literally everything in life, even if I don't care about it,
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like I've never want to go to Coachella so bad in my life and
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yeah, I'm just really suffering through that.
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I also feel like that's the kind of event where it's like, you
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can't worry about spending money.
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Like if you're gonna like be worried about spending money,
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like I feel like I wouldn't have as good of a time because it
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just looks so expensive. Oh yeah, very much.
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So it's kind of out of this world which brings us to this
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week's topic. We are starting our Star Wars
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month our annual Star Wars month now.
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Yes, I'm so excited. I listen to last year's Star
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Wars episode And, and that was a journey when we talk about a new
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hope it was. That was a long episode.
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I look at. I was like, how is this going to
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fit into our shorter format? But we can't do it because
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George hey, we had a deal fall. George Lucas's, kookiness.
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So we were kind of uncovering it for the first time.
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So we are mentally prepared this time for whatever nonsense comes
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out of your magic book. Oh, I hope you're ready for it
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because it's somebody else's. Time not all George is, okay,
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right. And with so much information to
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cover, we felt like we needed a special co-host to help us get
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there all this. She is a dear friend of mine.
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A costumer a seamstress just all-around.
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She does everything. Cool in life and I'm obsessed
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with her. Her name is Natalie.
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Lucia. Welcome to the podcast.
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Thank you guys. Happy to be here.
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So happy to have you. You hear you?
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I mean, one of the biggest Star Wars aficionados that I know.
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So, when we were planning this episode, I just knew I had to
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reach out. Well, I appreciate it.
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Funny story, I actually ran into Natalie a couple weeks ago at a
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Return of the King screening. I saw that looks like so much
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fun. It really was, I just happened
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to look out on the lobby and go. Spencer.
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I was like, in full like Incognito wearing it like a
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Guardians of the Galaxy hoodie with my large popcorn and coke
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trying to avoid eyes. And then I heard someone call my
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name with a bunch of elves and a potential Hobbit in a corner of
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like, whoa was calling for you. It was one of the best nights of
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my life. It was so funny.
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We laugh, he cheered. We cried.
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It was good time and we are Oh mate.
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Well, did all of us make it through the four hours and 20
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minutes that right bathroom break?
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I don't know. I had one bathroom break which
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actually for me is an accomplishment because usually
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it's yeah, Super Mario Brothers. I had like three bathroom breaks
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the movie was like an hour long so it's a miracle.
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Obviously you were dressed up as our and at this event and I have
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to say I because Spencer sent me your Instagram profile and I
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went And I was like, oh my goodness, you are so talented.
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Laughs, your Clay is also on point.
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What made you get into cosplay and costumes to begin with?
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It's kind of a long story, but I'll condense it.
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I went through a very bad breakup and during the
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relationship, there were a lot of things that I had wanted to
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do. I wanted to go to my first
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convention. I wanted to go to Halloween
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Horror Nights. Things like that and the person
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just wasn't into it. And so when it ended I made the
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decision, I'm going to do all these things that I didn't get
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to do, you know, because of situation, and I just kind of
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jumped into it. So I went to my first convention
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I bought, you know, like a Party City Daenerys costume to wear.
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And it's fine like no shame on Party City costumes.
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But when I went to the con, you know, you see all these, all
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these gorgeous costumes that people have spent months and You
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know, years working on and I was like, I want to get to that
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level just for me personally, I really like having those finite
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details and really knowing the costume.
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Also Party City costumes, don't always necessarily fit you, you
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know, because they're not made. Yeah tailored.
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So I kind of jumped in my first costume was Ray from the force
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awakens and my grandmother helped me with it.
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I didn't really know how to so I could sew a button.
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I could, you know, fix ahem if necessary but I didn't I didn't.
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Really know anything about other than that.
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And she kind of helped me, learn how to gather, you know, how to
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set a hem and things and then Rogue one came out and I wanted
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to be Ginger. So but I wanted to be a really
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good jyn erso and my grandma was like, nope can't help you.
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It's too advanced and so I just kept jumping to find people who,
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you know, when I asked, how do you do this?
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What fabric is this? What skill is this what
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technique and just threw that? I Grew as a seamstress and a
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costumer and kind of kept progressing and the costumes
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that you're showing here. It's also funny because they all
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I learned completely different skills.
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Like for Cobb Vance, I'd never done leatherwork.
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Like with the spats that's handmade, saddle stitching that
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I had to do is over 35 hours of work to make them.
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It's all leather. I'd never done that before.
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Like I want to learn how to do it for our when you know there's
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no commercial Shal patterns for her costume.
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There are some that are good, you know, fairly decent, but
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their Simplicity, they're just the generic ones that aren't
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always going to follow the correct seam lines and things
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like that. So, dang, I reached out to other
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patterns causing. No, I wish I knew.
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I'm just kind of, you know, jumped into my Lord of the Rings
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kick. And so, I made most of arwen's
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costumes, like the green one, the red and blue, The blue one.
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And so on, and then just kind of, I jump around the Spencer.
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I'll tell you like, one day. I'll be like, I really like that
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Harley Quinn costume. And the next day I want to make
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a Padme. It's I'm exhausted for you.
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I'm Titanic. And that's just kind of how I
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got into it. You are so talented and I just
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always blown away which an ally messages, me all the time and be
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like, what do you think of this fabric on this jacket?
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I'm like, girl, I can't see shit.
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I don't know what kind of Eric, that is but good luck.
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You know, she's just so talented.
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It has such a high and we're so excited to have you with us to
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break down. I think probably one of the best
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Star Wars films may be right next to Rogue one.
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I don't know. But I'm so excited to get into
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it. Let's do it.
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Let's do it. And Spencer, do you want to
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start us off with your summary sir?
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Okay, Luke Skywalker, Luke Skywalker, Han Solo.
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Princess Leia and Chewbacca face attack by the Imperial forces.
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And it's 8080 walkers on the ice Planet Hoth, while Han and Leia
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Escape in a Millennium Falcon, Luke travels, to dagger bonds,
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search of Yoda only, if the Jedi Masters help will Luke survive
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when a dark side of the force, beckons him into the ultimate
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duel with Darth Vader and that is The Empire Strikes Back.
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That is The Empire Strikes Back spoilers from here on out.
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I don't know how we Could spoil anything for you.
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The movies like 50 years old? Yeah, came out in 1980.
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So yeah. Is that fudge?
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23 years now because Return of the Jedi is 40 this year.
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So since that came out before it would be third 43 you guys so
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there won't be any math involved in this episode so is very old.
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With that being said, let's go behind the Wardrobe.
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Um, so this time around, we have director, Irvin Kershner
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executive, producer, and writer, George, Lucas producer, Gary
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Kurtz and, of course, costume designer, John Malo, who you
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will know who you all know, from A New Hope, for which he won an
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Oscar. Alien The Empire Strikes Back
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which we are reviewing today Gandhi which he won his second
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Oscar and chaplain which he did with Alan Mirage neck.
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So things are a little bit different.
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This time around George Lucas was not directing and Somalia
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had a little bit of a different experience but production for
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Empire Strikes Back started in Fall of 1978, brow from the
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query and Joe Johnson were rehired and began creating the
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concept art for The Empire. Strikes Back around the same
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time Malo was given the script summerlee storyboards and a
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binder of some of the costume concepts by Mccreary and
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Johnston. After breaking out the strip
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script and creating some sketches of his own malos at the
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preliminary budget at Fives to two hundred and seventy seven
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thousand dollars. Hmm.
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That's interesting. Like enough.
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It's, they know it. Here we go again, with a new
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director, there was a change in the atmosphere of the production
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that Mala felt, and he said they were quite detail oriented.
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I would show them sketches and samples, but it was quite a long
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drawn-out. Process to get them to decide
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what they wanted. So Irvin and, and producer Gary
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Kurtz. They have quite a lot of say in
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the costumes and a lot of ideas and they had more of like a
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drawn-out process and they like to see like samples.
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So it was a much more involved process for Malo.
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He ended up finishing the costumes in July, A of 1979.
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And at that point, the overall production of The Empire Strikes
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Back was behind schedule and over budget.
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Shocking. You know what it is?
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I think it's because A New Hope was such a production nightmare
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with, you know, C-3PO falling apart and everything's breaking
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and John Malo was not even a costume designer at the A point
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in George. Lucas was just like this.
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Nobody like, that was such a disaster.
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So then when I got to Empire Strikes Back and we're like,
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okay, your costume is on your now.
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You have an Oscar. This is what we're looking for.
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I think everyone was like, whoa! Whoa, whoa, like we're on a real
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movie Set this time. Yeah.
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And it sounds like Urban was just very like much more
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artistic about it than maybe George Lucas was.
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And like to it sounds like he just took a lot a lot longer.
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To make decisions. This was the only Star Wars
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movie that he directed, and it was the last Star Wars movie,
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that John Marlowe designed. He did not design any after
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this. Well, I mean, he did the thing.
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It's fascinating, though that his designs carryover, like,
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yeah, he says, of it carrying two Jedi and into, you know,
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Rogue one and all the other ones.
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So, it's interesting. So, yeah, it's that's a great
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point. Because, I mean, you know, a lot
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of designers tend to do that, too.
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If like TV These are films that love to like set the image.
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Because like, you just said, I mean, we just watched a
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Mandalorian and and, you know, like bad batch, the cartoon,
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where we're still think designs that John Malo created appearing
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now in 2023. And that's, that's incredible
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and accomplishment in itself. So I think I think that
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particular like the overall Star Wars.
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Look, I think it's really like Malo Johnston and McQueary their
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overall vision of like the Star Wars.
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Old. I think it was just so well
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thought out between the two of them and documented because they
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they made so much art for these movies that I think there's just
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like an endless supply of inspiration for anybody making a
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Star Wars TV show or movie. Yeah, for sure.
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And with that let's take a little break and when we come
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back we have about a million and two costumes to talk about
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Are you two ready to travel to my favorite planet?
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Which is ha. I guess, right?
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Kind of cold. But yeah, that's true.
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You would not do very well on Hoth me.
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On the other hand it seems like a paradise.
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It would be for you after the after the desert for all these
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years where it's currently like 88 degrees.
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Sounds good to go there. I'm sweating right now.
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So well I doubt the snowtroopers of the Rebel Alliance are at
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all. ERM doesn't look it.
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And for the rebels snowtroopers, Milo said the rebel snowtroopers
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uniforms are based on logic more than anything else.
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And this logic was not only a simple design choice, but it was
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also very practical, very practical.
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One Johnson remembered, Lucas wanted, everything to look like,
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it was secondhand kind of thrown together with several different
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looks among the Groupers, however, for the practicality of
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manufacturing, they settled on a single design.
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And while the suits were designed to look warm, they were
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not and producer, Jim Bloomer called wearing one of the suits.
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As an extra saying, the costumes were pretty thin built to work
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in the studio not to be out in minus 20 degree weather.
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The Norwegians were incredibly Hardy and they used to put their
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costumes on. On over whatever snow stuff they
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were already wearing. I know, I know when I was
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dressed up as an extra I looked more like the Michelin Man than
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myself with all the layers that's really rich.
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I love you. I love these looks because it's
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kind of it's different from what we've seen from the rebels so
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far. And it's just kind of like a
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fresh blank palette to start the film.
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What's also interesting, I had mentioned I've worked on a
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couple of these for People based and I for myself, they're made
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out of cotton the outer, the long-sleeved part because
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there's three sections. The outer is just like a hoodie,
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it's got a hood and then it's lined cotton, which is not warm
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enough. No, I guess I never thought of
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it before. I've seen the, you know, the
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scene, a thousand million times and I guess I know I just always
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assumed it was like warm and everyone.
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Having a good time. I for some reason, just believe
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this scene wasn't possible of not being perfect in every sense
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of the four, but everyone's probably miserable.
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I never thought of it like that, fairly warm a Malo did by
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everybody. Like really good waterproof
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shoes. Hmm.
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As he was like, that's like the, the easiest way to get a bunch
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of miserable actors. How in, like, in Norway with wet
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feet, he was so he like kept their feet, Warm and dry, the
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rest, not so much. And I was kind of confused by
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that quote, at first I was like thin, like thin fabric because
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like you see them out and it like looks bulky, but when he
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says like, oh, they were putting it over existing like snowsuits.
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It's like oh okay, that's where that like bulkiness comes from.
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Right. And you want to talk about just
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random, like, when was this movie made their snow?
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Goggles are like Olympic snow ski goggles from the 80s.
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So you can't really find Them anymore.
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And that's why they're all sold out and super pricey on eBay now
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because they also have those distinct color lenses.
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The yellow lens, which is also really difficult to come by.
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That's why you don't see too much of these particular
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costumes because a lot of the detail work you know they don't
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sell them anymore. If you can find them, it's
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considered vintage now and really overpriced.
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This is why you're here because I would never ever come across.
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That fact This was fun already. That's the kind of information
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you get from cosplayers. They've already researched
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everything as they try to make it and then the grebe least have
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no purpose like you're not at all except to look decorative.
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Yeah. So yeah all of those are like 3D
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printed for most people because again we don't know what they
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were. Sometimes we can look at things
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and be like oh that was taken from a camera, you know, or that
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was taken from a razor or whatever.
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But these thus far as I know, no one's been able to identify what
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they actually are from. So everyone who has them now is
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like that was 3D printed because we don't know what it was.
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Yeah. I remember reading about that
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like when we did the first movie I'm like they did even know what
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they were doing. They were just like yeah let's
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stick this nobody knows but it's provocative.
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Well with that we have to talk about our favorite Leading.
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Lady thiang credible Princess Leia played by Carrey fish.
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Sir, who we all? Love dearly.
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Yes, this is one of her best looks ever.
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It really is Malo wanted to follow the same monochromatic
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color scheme that lay ahead in the first film, but make it more
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like battle-ready giving her the snow suit that she wears through
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most of the film and after receiving the jumpsuit, from
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rockets for a disc, British skiwear, company Marlowe's, Team
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had to quite the job of, breaking it down to look lived
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in and keeping it that way as Rosemary worth Carrie Fisher's
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dresser recalled. Saying, when the costume was
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washed in the evenings, I would have to recreate the breaking
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down pattern for the next day, I found it difficult at times to
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keep track of the continuity damage would happen in one scene
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and then you would have to reapply it for the next scene on
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another day. Were they not doing multiples
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back? I wasn't gonna say it.
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Sounds like she only had one which doesn't make sense.
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You'd think stunt doubles and you know in case anything
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happens. Why not have maybe, I don't
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know, three actually, I mean, multiples of really weren't a
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big thing back in a day it's what kind of actually a more
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contemporary idea with films, you know, nowadays but they were
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doing multiples on this film for other looks but I didn't, it
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didn't say in the book whether or not they had that many.
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It's from the way they were talking about it.
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It sounds like they were washing anyone's.
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They had every single day. That's crazy.
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It would just come out in the wash.
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Well, I mean worth it. I mean, I love this.
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Look, it's definitely one of my all-time favorite Princess Leia
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looks at because I think she looks so bad.
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Already is why I enjoy it because it's no has what we love
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about. Princess Leia, she's beautiful,
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she's glamorous, but then she's also powerful and ready to like,
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kick your ass in a moment's notice, you know.
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So, and I have a Detail note about this one because I also
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made this one if you if you look at her sleeve where she has the
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Gravely, the bigger square shape is a tape tape measuring thing.
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What do you call it? You know, my good measure.
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That's what that is. They just painted it and like RI
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you know, moved things around a little bit so it would look like
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that. I don't know what the other
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piece was. I know we identified it but I
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can't remember, but I know the bigger pieces of tape measure.
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That is so So wild this costume is made of whatever was in John
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Wall has garage right, everyone, whatever, and piping Galore like
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everywhere. You look on this stupid thing.
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It's perfect. Yeah, but it I think it is her
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best look. And like for all the reasons you
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said, Spencer like it's beautiful.
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She's beautiful in it and she's just ready to kick ass all the
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time. The only thing I think is funny
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is, you know, they were To escape path to escape the
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Empire. And she was very distinctly
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wearing those white shoes, but you can see the white boots.
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Are you not the white? She was wearing the gray boots
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and then suddenly they're on the Millennium Falcon and she has
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white boots for the rest of the time.
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And I'm like what? She just keeping a spare set of
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boots on Pan's ship, just in case stay ready.
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So you don't have to get ready. She kept her boots with her.
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I don't know why. I understand why that's
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confusing. Another battle.
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Ready, Skywalker? We have Luke and wildest while
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deciding Luke's. First look, both a and Malo
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thought he needed to stand out from the other Rebels.
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However, after talking with Lucas, it was decided that as
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part of the Rebellion, Luke needed to dress like everyone
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else as he did, at the end of the first film to differentiate.
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And Mala have Luke where the Khaki vest of the Rebel,
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technicians over the snow suit. And then his boots were modeled
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after those of the Canadian military and made by the London
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bootmaker NLO. And David Malo said, we copied
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the design and made it a bit smarter ordinary mullux would
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have been much rougher. Mmm.
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Okay. But you know, the interesting
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thing about that is that the trench Troopers that, we just
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were talking about where the exact same shoes, I mean, there
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might be some small modifications, but here, it
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sounds like Luke had special shoes but they're the same.
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It's his there are shoes under like this rapping part, right?
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Yeah. So I think they all had the same
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rapping part but I wish I'd put a picture of issues.
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They did look nice. That really think you're
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different. Yeah, that's interesting.
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Always interested by like the rag that was coming off of his
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goggles. Like as long as when I was a
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kid, I was like his such an interesting headpiece.
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I never quite understood it but it's like so iconic to me, you
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know, when I see that I'm like, oh, that's Luke Skywalker from
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Hoth, like that's what's in the box or like he should be on the
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desert, right? Like he's going to wrap it
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around like dipped or something. Yeah, Lawrence of Arabia.
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Yeah, I maybe, that is what they're going for.
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I never quite understood it but But somehow, it makes sense that
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the same time, I just like accept it.
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You know, it's like a scarf, little scarf.
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Keep the wind out of your face and then the funny things about
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the gloves is you can't really find anything exact for that
26:25
nowadays, but gardening gloves look exactly like that.
26:30
So you just take that you sand off.
26:32
The logos on the gardening gloves, and voila, you've got
26:36
French trooper and Luke Skywalker and Claw amazing.
26:40
I'm gonna do that afterwards. Somebody who had no interest in
26:46
looking like he was a part of the Rebel Alliance.
26:50
We have Han Solo played by Harrison Ford the same as coat.
26:57
It is an amazing coat. I was like all of the rebels
26:59
should have taken a cue from Han Solo like he is a snappy
27:03
dresser. Oh my gosh.
27:06
Can you imagine that Darth Vader?
27:08
We've been coming down to planets all everyone in these
27:10
nice coats who, like a, I think, That's them.
27:17
Like I was saying I'm like Luke's right Rebel regulation
27:21
outfit my love gave Han a coat unique to his style while still
27:26
adding elements like the grebe Lee found on the other rebel
27:30
uniforms while Brown in real life, the jacket appear to be
27:34
Navy on film due to the film's color grading and subsequently
27:40
toys, and other merchandise. I think this look often made the
27:44
coat Navy. Damn it.
27:48
Yeah, the infamous coat from. He'll everybody's like, it's
27:52
brown. It's blue, it's proud.
27:53
I mean, coming to blows over the color of a coat.
27:56
It's hilarious. I thought that was so funny
27:59
because I was, I had always thought this was a Bronco, like
28:04
I didn't know, people thought this was anything other than
28:07
brown till I was doing my research.
28:09
And I was like, wait, hold on a second.
28:13
Honestly, I never thought of it until like this morning, I guess
28:18
I'm kind of jealous. I wasn't in on this controversy
28:21
before today. What I also find interesting
28:24
just because you have this picture of is his rank.
28:26
Badge is the same as Leia's. Mmm.
28:29
Think Les was playing favorites, so they ranked them the same.
28:32
Yeah that's that's interesting. I mean I'm familiar with his
28:35
costumes but I don't know them as well so just seeing that I'm
28:38
like oh I did not know that and also the fact that he wears his
28:42
holster, Belt outside of the jacket.
28:44
It's smart. It's, you know, got the lyrics,
28:47
the Blaster. Yeah, that's you.
28:50
He knows how to keep himself alive.
28:53
And it's having the Blaster ready, right?
28:56
And then Dump Dump Dump, we have the Wampa, which I could not
29:03
find much information about the Wampa.
29:08
He's been forgotten. He's been absolutely.
29:12
Gotten Justice for the bomb. Yes.
29:16
But according to starwars.com, there have been two.
29:22
Life-sized Wampa suits were made for both the first version of
29:26
The Empire Strikes Back. And the special edition desk web
29:31
Don that outfit first, but because the costume was so heavy
29:35
and cumbersome. He had trouble with overheating
29:39
for this special edition how we weed.
29:42
Up with a new design for the suit and shot, fresh footage,
29:46
that was mixed with the original scenes from the film.
29:50
So crazy, I can't believe they did that.
29:52
I am a big fan of the wampas. Like I remember being as a kid
29:56
thinking this is like the scariest scene in a movie I've
29:59
ever seen. I just every single time I've
30:01
like got to look away but same pictures of the suit of how
30:06
massively tall it was. I mean we need to find.
30:10
I hope these aren't sitting in someone's garage.
30:12
Raj somewhere or I will scream in the picture, we're looking
30:16
at, there's the dude holding the wampas arm and he's half the
30:19
size of the Wampa so tall is it, you know?
30:22
He's at least 10 11 feet tall. Yeah, I don't understand the
30:28
construction. It's it's incredible.
30:31
Yeah, I mean like I understand like because it's part puppet
30:34
part wearable costume but like I just always assumed it was like
30:38
a full, like pop it like that. There was someone like behind
30:41
the scenes. I am the Sous.
30:43
It's so fine that. Now we mentioned the man holding
30:46
the arm because I did it. I didn't realize that was a man
30:49
and how it looks even more Ridiculousness.
30:52
It's like I just didn't my eyes are playing tricks on me.
30:57
There's like I think it's like it's like I little thing holding
31:02
onto this big stew and now I'm like oh that's a person you know
31:08
it's so big. I mean look at his hand he
31:11
sounded Holding the wampas like paw and the poem itself is like,
31:16
what? Four times bigger than the guys
31:18
and it's crazy. Yeah, this thing, like, amazing.
31:23
I would not have thought this was such like a large piece
31:26
because he just like, oh, it's like the 70s.
31:28
They was probably like smaller. They just made it look.
31:32
Yeah. It's just, it's just huge.
31:34
You mean, it wasn't forced perspective is making like is a
31:39
Lord of the Rings trick or something.
31:43
Wow, that's great. What was not ever forced
31:47
perspective? Was the Imperial snowtroopers,
31:52
which I always thought these guys looked so cool.
31:56
Mmm, Yeah, the Imperial snowtroopers were simply
32:01
supposed to be Stormtroopers outfitted for snow.
32:04
However, Johnson McQueary had a lot of ideas and a lot of
32:10
direction from George. Lucas.
32:13
Johnston RI called a very specific reference.
32:15
Lucas made saying when George began working on the snow battle
32:20
he showed me and Iain Stan film called Alexander nevsky in his
32:27
invasion scene where you see a huge Russian army coming across
32:32
the plains. He really liked the idea that
32:35
you saw these things coming in and you didn't know what they
32:39
were yet. Lucas also wanted this You know,
32:42
Troopers to have a samurai feel about them and Johnson said, he
32:49
didn't want it to look Japanese. He just wanted it to have that
32:54
multi-layered. Look at the time.
32:57
McQueary and Johnson finished the concept art.
33:00
All John Marlowe had to do was make very few practical changes
33:05
to bring these illustrations to life.
33:08
I love that. And you know, we talked about
33:10
this before but, you know, John mom.
33:12
Hello George. Lucas Ridley, Scott.
33:15
They were all super inspired by samurais at this time.
33:19
You know, we see that an alien. We see that in the first Star
33:21
Wars film, they were talking about doing it for her to do
33:24
movie, that they never made is. So it's I can't believe that
33:28
this trend is still continuing into Empire Strikes Back.
33:32
I mean, super cool. They are like the coolest to me
33:37
Stormtroopers besides the praetorian guards which we just
33:40
saw in the Mandalorian so Yeah, super exciting costumes.
33:46
I know people who have these costumes and they love them one
33:49
because of how it connects, they look but also because you can
33:52
sit down, you can't sit down when you're wearing stormtrooper
33:55
armor so they love wearing that one.
34:01
Yeah. You can't really do much in the
34:02
TK. It looks cool though.
34:06
And the visibility believe it or not in these particular helmets
34:09
is actually really good just because of the place.
34:12
Cement of where the eyes are. So you know, you get to sit, you
34:16
can see better and you'll look cool.
34:17
I love these, like, I'm a big fan of any armored that you
34:22
could sit down and so that's right.
34:23
You plus to me. Yeah, but we'll talk about
34:25
Pockets later. But sitting down is step one,
34:28
you know. Absolutely.
34:32
And I love just because like, you know, you're expecting a
34:35
like, oh, it's the Empire that we're like the Stormtroopers
34:38
about to come in and then something like almost scarier
34:40
than a stormtrooper. Comes in like zero facial
34:45
features. Just like this white masks.
34:48
Like they don't even have mouth, they have no ounce.
34:52
And it's like, yeah, they have little, like, slits to look out
34:55
of but like, I would not call those eyes.
34:57
Yeah, it's definitely scary. I also love how quick the empire
35:00
was able to throw these looks together.
35:02
You know. It was just like, you know,
35:04
remember they're like, Darth Vader.
35:05
Think they're there. And he's like, yeah, that's
35:06
them. Send a troops down.
35:08
And they had this entire winter erode, wintry wardrobe all.
35:12
All set ready to go? Which I love.
35:14
He's ready. He's also stays ready.
35:16
So they don't have to get ready. Yeah, there's Empire, they need
35:29
a bunch of white wintry, scary armor suits on it.
35:34
But what's also funny is the little like jacket Cape thing
35:37
looks like a skirt that you can see in the back of their
35:40
costumes, that's just made of like Polar fleece.
35:43
Hmm. Like that sound?
35:45
Yeah cozy. Yeah it's so funny like people
35:48
go. So can you make me this?
35:49
I'm like, yeah, what's it made of oh the place that they sell
35:51
at Joanns. Okay, not shocked about this.
35:56
Actually I can make that. And with that we are leaving,
36:03
huh? Yes.
36:05
And taking a parade but we're going to dagger Bond after this.
36:11
So Yeah, Mike time for a swamp time for insects and mosquitoes
36:18
because that's what's happening now right they're going to come
36:21
out again bastards we'll be right back.
36:41
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36:44
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37:38
get back into Empire Strikes Back?
37:41
Yeah. Heart dude because we have a
37:45
quick glance at some really interesting about any Hunters,
37:49
which I always loved the scene. There were always so creepy.
37:52
We see I believe Leave his name is bosc right?
37:55
And that yellow suit always. I love tells us how long his
37:59
arms were. I had like a boss.
38:00
Good doll back in the day. That was super fun and we get
38:03
first look at the IG model and Boba Fett, which I mean, time
38:08
about icons, right? Okay, but also I didn't know
38:11
this, but okay, so if you look at bossk for a second, he's
38:14
wearing a white flag vest which is what the X-Wing Pilots were,
38:18
which I find interesting. And then his belt is an X-Wing
38:22
Pilots belt and so is Silver belt to.
38:24
So they just repurposed probably pieces from the X-Wing pilot
38:29
costume. He went to like the thrift store
38:32
and founder or took one out. Yeah he captured ones like I
38:38
really like this mess or importantly, we have a Han Solo
38:46
outside of his hot coat and On, they really wanted to maintain
38:55
his independent nature. From the first film, Somali
38:59
decided to keep the overall on aesthetic.
39:02
The same changing changing it up only bits and pieces.
39:07
Here, the red stripe on his pants is now a bunch of like
39:12
little yellow, horizontal stripes, new style of white
39:16
shirt and the jacket just mimics the style of the best he had in
39:21
the first film. That's interesting.
39:24
Yeah, I guess I never put it together but is like very echo
39:27
of what he wore in the first film.
39:29
I love the rap of the white shirt.
39:31
I love it too and it's just like it's a more like it's less like
39:35
scoundrel Han and more like responsible.
39:39
Huh groan away. Yeah, he's throwing up.
39:43
He fight for now, but he still says he doesn't.
39:48
He is still kind of like the bad boy hon, though.
39:51
He still has his cool like Hot pants, you know?
39:54
But he is a little bit more grown-up.
39:57
It's hot pants Harrison Ford and some hot pans.
40:00
Yes here for it. But I particularly like the
40:08
shirt on this one especially because, like, obviously there
40:11
are no Fasteners shown in Star Wars and I just think I find it
40:18
fascinating how they made this kind of shirt without showing
40:24
Like, I know it's simple but it's just like when you look at
40:27
it and like, that's just cool. Like, it's just so clean looking
40:31
when, in real life like it would probably have like a million
40:33
buttons up the front of it, right?
40:35
No, it's a good point. Like, you look at it and it's
40:37
something so simple. But just rewriting your brain to
40:40
be like, well, there can't be any Fasteners on this.
40:43
How do we do this? And I don't know, velcro I get
40:47
Arts. Just didn't, you know, they just
40:49
use velcro and everything. Most of the time they're snaps
40:53
or Or hook and eyes say. Yeah, who didn't need a ton of
40:57
hidden? Fasteners, we have Lando
40:59
Calrissian played by Billy Dee Williams.
41:03
Yeah. What a, my favorite character
41:07
for best then they had almost Endless Possibilities mellow
41:13
produced more sketches for the inhabitants of best in the cloud
41:18
city, then for anything else on the film's.
41:23
Well, Many different looks were discussed for Lando.
41:26
Simple design was considered best however, a over-the-top
41:32
cloak left. Flashy personality of Lando come
41:38
through, it's made of a blue felt and is lined with the
41:43
reverse side of a dragon printed silk, interesting not have
41:50
guessed, it doesn't look like felt it.
41:53
It doesn't look like felt and I thought this was just like a
41:55
silk like paisley pattern. Sounds like it's the 70s
41:59
Paisley's all over the playing and I always loved the cloak.
42:04
You know how I feel about a good cloak cloak or a cape, but what
42:08
makes it so, like, flashy? And Lando is that collar at are
42:11
giving like almost like a Dracula type collar.
42:14
You would see in like a Party City Cape, which makes it so fun
42:18
to me, it's kind of campy and Billy Dee Williams, gives it
42:22
such a style Of that cloak. Definitely one of my favorites
42:26
to the Alister he just like his Swagger.
42:30
Whenever you're putting a cloak on, you have a different way of
42:33
walking so that it flows. Yeah he does such a good job
42:38
wearing this cost of you know they always have that saying
42:41
that like some people wear the costume but sometimes the
42:44
costume where's you? He wears it like he owns this
42:49
costume. Yeah there's nothing been said
42:52
more true on this. Podcast know, he wears that
42:57
costume. I especially love like this
42:59
Stills. I just from the screen test
43:02
where like, you can tell he's, like, loving this cave.
43:05
I just want to know what music was playing in the background
43:07
when they were shooting these very fun, but I do love how you
43:14
mentioned John Mala doing a lot more sketches for the Cloud City
43:19
because to me, that is like, Pinnacle John Marlowe, to that
43:22
kind of You know, we talked about alien last year and that
43:26
kind of futuristic but not science fiction.
43:29
Look to me that really stands out on a Cloud City where it you
43:32
could tell that's not this isn't the 80s but it's also not like
43:37
super high-tech science fiction either.
43:40
Which I think is John Mallows kind of like signature
43:43
costuming. Yeah, I agree.
43:46
It was also like this was the first time they were
43:48
introducing, like, a whole new culture.
43:50
Mmm, within the three films. Eames.
43:55
So there were like, we have a whole new like cast of people to
43:58
like play with. So they really just went for it.
44:03
Another look from the cloud. City is Leia's dinner outfit.
44:10
That's a good one. It's such a good one.
44:13
And Lucas imagined, bespin to kind of have like an art deco
44:19
aesthetic. And it is clearly shown in the
44:23
new outfit lay is given since this costume is a departure from
44:28
the color scheme and style were used to seeing Leia in Mala had
44:34
a hard time deciding what the look should be.
44:37
He said, in a film like this, you can go in any direction
44:42
provided it works in the end. After much discussion, we
44:46
decided lays Dinner, dress, should have a slight lead.
44:50
Indian look, we wanted it sort of soft and simple.
44:55
The look was created by an independent shop.
44:58
Spaghetti Limited in London. Nice and many hours went into
45:03
the hand-embroidered, cloak by the end of it.
45:07
Milo said the look was the closest we ever got to a Spacey
45:13
costume. Interesting.
45:15
You know, I've never really looked at this one up close and
45:18
pictures. I just see a moving and film but
45:20
It's just so many interesting textiles to this.
45:23
You could definitely you could tell that this one.
45:26
They spent a lot of attention on unlike some of the other
45:28
costumes. They actually this was like a
45:31
costume designed piece. If you know what I'm saying?
45:35
It's also interesting that it's not finished in terms of the
45:39
design. So if you look at it like
45:41
completely laid out, the motif repeats, I believe five times
45:45
but the two in the front are cut off.
45:48
So they're not fully finished which I Interesting.
45:51
It's like why not finish it. Did they make them too big?
45:54
And then, you know, looked odd on carry?
45:56
Or why was it not the full image?
46:01
And then also, throughout the entire costume is rose gold,
46:04
piping. Mmm down the center around the
46:08
Hem. Like, and it has a loose hem, it
46:10
doesn't have a close to him, which is also interesting, but
46:13
it allows for that flow and she walks, which is so pretty.
46:18
Absolutely, I also love how They kind of very much late still
46:22
made this away a look, which is like, kind of like, the more
46:25
like to Nikki dress and like, pants underneath it because in
46:29
the script, Lucas wrote that she changed into a beautiful dress,
46:35
so it's like, I like I get where there he was thinking, like, oh,
46:39
they kind of like, I felt like, originally the idea was like,
46:42
oh, like put her in like a pretty dress, because she's a
46:44
princess and like the like Trapper there.
46:47
But I like that. They went more in the direction
46:49
of like, no, this is Layer. Like, she can still like Snap
46:55
into action at any moment she can wear pants.
46:59
Yeah, you can wear pants and be beautiful.
47:02
Yes. Right.
47:04
And they just drove the Millennium Falcon out of the
47:06
mouth of a giant Lake. Asteroid worms.
47:08
I wasn't I don't think she was like I need to find a cute
47:11
sundress you know. Like yeah this is makes more
47:14
sense to me. Absolutely.
47:17
Who is definitely not putting on a beautiful.
47:20
Beautiful dress was a Luke that was a cool transition.
47:31
Well, this look went through many different versions, they
47:36
settled on a basic combat suit, as just being the most
47:41
versatile, look for what they needed.
47:44
Originally envisioned as a jumpsuit, the final version was
47:47
created as a pan and jacket set with with velcro added to the
47:51
top of the pans and bottom of the jacket.
47:54
So it would not ride up during fighting sequences because of
47:58
the many stages of distressing that were required.
48:02
Roughly 16 multiples were produced in this one look so
48:07
they are doing multiples. Interesting.
48:09
They are but this like it is falling off him.
48:12
The end of this movie, it really goes through a lot.
48:16
I mean, they have to make one with no.
48:18
Forearm because yeah, yeah, I wonder why that's a good.
48:27
That's a good actually. Like no to think about how one
48:31
day were like, okay, well we gotta cut all the sleeves off.
48:34
You can that whether it's slightly, but I also love if you
48:40
look at these pictures of him in it, how high those pants must be
48:44
on him because I know the vel'koz to keep it but look at
48:47
where they at. And wear his belt is and then
48:49
they keep going. Oh yes, that's why.
48:53
I just always thought that this was a jealousy because with the
48:57
velcro, it just looks like a gypsy.
48:59
Yeah, that's so cool. But I like it because then you
49:03
can, you know, if it's yours you can wear the jacket on its own
49:06
and be instantly recognizable. But also, you know, I should
49:10
like realize sooner that this was a two-piece outfit because
49:13
now that like I'm thinking about it when he's on the planet, he
49:16
wears these pants and like Just like a tank top, a lot of the
49:20
time. Yeah, but I never, I never put
49:24
two and two together so it's a pretty new movie.
49:26
We're learning about it just came out.
49:34
I've not seen it too many times to count.
49:36
Yeah. And lastly, but certainly not
49:39
least, we have a Yoda Voice by Frank Oz.
49:46
Um, I think one of Of the most favorite Jedi in the universe.
49:53
The I love Yoda, and I love these concept sketches were
49:58
looking at because he is, yes, I mean, he was looking extra Yoda
50:02
e in the concept sketches. Also looking almost Disney ask
50:07
him, some of these like the blue and the top on the left, he was
50:13
originally supposed to be a Smurf.
50:14
It looks like, but not positive. Well, What John Johnson
50:22
Macquarie were working off the script where Yoda is described
50:26
as a wizened little thing dressed in rags.
50:32
So that's what they drew I did. Well, and that's where we
50:37
wearing. And well, the puppet for you de
50:42
was created by Stuart Freeborn, and his staff model is still
50:46
have the job of dressing Yoda and he took a cue from Ben,
50:51
Kenobi's wardrobe and created just a basic Brown tunic and a
50:56
raw silk, kimono for Yoda and just distressed it to look as
51:01
aged as possible. I'm for all these years.
51:05
I had no idea that a costume designer designed a costume for
51:08
Yoda. That's really cool.
51:10
I guess, I met, I don't know who dressed them before.
51:13
So that was really cool. Makes sense though, but it's
51:16
kind of funny now that we have grow, goo You know, like with
51:19
armor and all this other stuff like for Yoda just had a one rag
51:25
here is a grounding ground potato sack Yoda and joy.
51:30
But so come on. I mean, it's kind of nice Yoda.
51:33
Oh yeah, when it was made, it was excellent.
51:38
The best that I could offer gotta leave Coruscant, man.
51:42
Order 66 was coming to town. Yeah, he had no time to pass.
51:52
But with that, we have come to the end of The Empire Strikes
51:57
Back. That's a good film.
52:00
I mean, it's one of the best it never gets old.
52:03
I can watch this of million thousand times and here we are.
52:06
Still learning new things about it so it's the gift that keeps
52:09
on giving, it's so funny. I have a friend who has an
52:12
Empire Strikes Back Darth Vader costume because obviously
52:14
Vader's costume changes every movie and I'm paraphrasing.
52:18
Raising because I don't remember that.
52:19
It's been so long but I asked him.
52:21
I said, why Empire? Why not Jedi, why not the new
52:24
hope we are white Empire, Darth Vader and he said, come on, it's
52:28
like Perfect movie, dude has son those out, dude.
52:33
Come son, comes back. Son tries to kill me.
52:38
Cut off his hand. It's perfect like it is a
52:42
beautiful family film. Absolutely.
52:48
And it really is like Peak Darth Vader because it to me, I feel
52:51
like he's at his, like, best and this film until honestly Rogue
52:55
one. Like this is the coolest are
52:56
fader appearance to me. So are you ready to play our
53:02
favorite game? Yes.
53:04
Now, you know how the room, you know, Danielle hit the track,
53:13
the one costume to rule them all.
53:17
Okay, I will go first actually my favorite costume, we didn't
53:25
really talk about a lot but that's because we have a lot of
53:28
fun things coming up for this guy in the future, but I just
53:33
love the Boba Fett armor. Just the first time you see him
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just standing there. Barely saying a word not doing
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much walking but just a mystery of seeing Boba Fett.
53:43
You just know like who this guy's dangerous but what is That
53:47
armor so different unique but then also kind of reminiscent to
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the Stormtroopers. It just to me had a law like
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storytelling in it. That was yet to explore.
53:55
And that's like so exciting in terms of costume design.
53:58
It really had to do a lot of the work actually, for Boba Fett, so
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definitely my one costume, rule them all.
54:04
But I will say that the Wampa costume really jumped up there
54:09
at the end. I mean, I just don't, you know
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that existed. Honestly, if I knew that before
54:14
we started, that probably would have been my one costume.
54:19
I I agree. I hope you say that like the
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costume had to do a lot of work because I guess like at this
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point, like the mandalorians are a thing and it's almost like
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they developed that whole like Star Wars culture from this look
54:38
from this costume. Yeah.
54:39
I'd say so. I mean, I'm not going to speak
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for George Lucas, but, you know, I have a lot more respect for
54:46
this costume. Now that I've made cop Vamps
54:49
just because it's a lot of those pieces but one interesting fact
54:53
that I don't know if you know he's wearing a scuba harness, I
54:57
think it's what it's called under to hold the jetpack oh my
55:01
God. So there's a whole harness thing
55:03
involved that they have to wear and then the jetpack Cooks on in
55:07
invisible openings at the top to keep it in place.
55:11
That thing is really heavy. I'm sure.
55:15
I mean, I always seems to go wrong and Twirl into pits and
55:19
stuff. So yeah, but I agree.
55:21
It's just a really fun costume. Yeah, Elizabeth was your one
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costume, rule them all my one costume to rule them all is
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Leia's. Hop look at really just her
55:33
primary look for this film like we said before like it's elegant
55:38
she's gorgeous in it but also like she can kick your ass and
55:42
soon as she needs to and it is like one of her most iconic.
55:47
It looks so that was my one costume to rule them all.
55:50
Yeah, I mean, when I think of Princess Leia I tend to think of
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this look, not the look. We're going to see in the next
55:55
film, you know, I think of this look and Natalie last but not
56:02
least the grand finale. What is your one costume to rule
56:07
them all? There were so many good ones is
56:09
really hard because I love them all, but I have to go with her
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Cloud City. Princess Leia's Cloud City
56:14
maroon outfit, just the the pan. Suit with the beautiful Cape
56:19
cloak coat thing. However you want to call it over
56:22
it. Her hairstyle is so iconic.
56:24
Like you could just have that hairstyle and nothing else and
56:27
people will know Star Wars right away.
56:30
She looks beautiful. She looks, you know, gorgeous
56:33
hot and she's not showing any skin like the epitome of class
56:38
Elegance. All rolled into one, and it's a
56:41
beautiful color, and it's just stunning.
56:44
So my one costume to rule them all.
56:46
Is that one? It's a solid one.
56:49
I honestly gained a lot of appreciation for it.
56:51
I never really got to make close-up look so between Natalie
56:55
and Elizabeth. I mean, this definitely killer
56:59
costume. Absolutely.
57:03
And if you were to tell us what your one costume to rule them
57:06
all is you can leave us a little voicemail at 62, 6 by 15 1826 or
57:15
email us at the art Acosta. Broadcast at gmail.com.
57:20
Thank you all so much for listening and thank you too
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Natalie for joining us. This was so fun.
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Thank you. We love your Insight and we hope
57:31
to have you on again in the future because you have so much
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fun costume. Knowledge.
57:35
You seem to know things that are just random and specific which
57:40
is why I'm obsessed with you. Like you my friend.
57:43
I cannot stop staring at the measuring tape thing.
57:46
Once you brought it up. I was like kind of tuned out the
57:48
whole time. I just kept staring to go.
57:52
Get your measuring tape and be like, hmm, spray paint.
57:58
Where can I over listeners? Follow you?
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I'm most active on Twitter, Tick-Tock and Instagram on
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Instagram. I'm laying Aurora, like Princess
58:08
Leia cause she's my favorite princess.
58:10
So Leia, Aurora and then on Tick-Tock it would be laying
58:15
Aurora 14. So the number Team and on
58:18
Twitter, it's movie lover for Life.
58:21
Nice, nice. Nice.
58:22
I'm good. It's so good.
58:24
They have that memorized. Thank you again, so much for
58:28
joining us and Elizabeth. Next episode, we are going to
58:31
continue to Star Wars theme. We are taking a deep dive into
58:35
all three seasons of the Mandalorian.
58:38
So make sure you all go and catch up on the finally.
58:43
Well not finally on the last few episodes of season 3.
58:47
So good if you haven't seen it, definitely worth the watch, it
58:51
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