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#363: Masking ADHD, Noisy Neighbors, Misophonia · Pod Therapy

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  Speaker 2: this festive season. But we've got some great questions for
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  Speaker 2: you today to get you through your holidays, and the
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  Speaker 2: first one here is titled Masking and High Functioning ADHD
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  Speaker 2: from our friend Matthias van der Brampt Dear pod Therapy
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  Speaker 2: guys and gal. I've struggled at times with keeping my
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  Speaker 2: attention focused on tasks, especially when they are dull or repetitive.
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  Speaker 2: This didn't cause any real problems when I was in school,
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  Speaker 2: as I still did very well academically, usually scoring at
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  Speaker 2: the top of the class during elementary and high school.
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  Speaker 2: Feedback to my parents was always the same. He daydreams
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  Speaker 2: and doesn't pay much attention, but always knows the answer
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  Speaker 2: to questions and is quiet in class. At some point
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  Speaker 2: I was tested for attention problems, but I recall this
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  Speaker 2: test being new and exciting, and thus it had my
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  Speaker 2: full attention and didn't show any issues.
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  Speaker 1: In the universe, h's a test with a dangling light
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  Speaker 1: on it.
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  Speaker 2: He's doing so well in the university. As the academic
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  Speaker 2: difficulty increased, I struggled. I couldn't keep going on what
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't keep going on what I could remember or
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  Speaker 2: pick up in one go, and studying was an agony
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  Speaker 2: of wretching my attention, wrenching my attention to my textbooks.
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  Speaker 2: I was forced to drop my first choice physics after
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  Speaker 2: two years, and eventually barely made it to the end
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  Speaker 2: of a master's in engineering. I know that I'll lot
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  Speaker 2: of my fellows put in more real effort studying to
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  Speaker 2: get there, But at the same time, I was fighting
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  Speaker 2: my focus, and it gave me the feeling I could
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  Speaker 2: have gotten much further if only I had discipline. That
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  Speaker 2: time is behind me. Now I've been working for several
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  Speaker 2: years and it seems the same pattern repeats. I can
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  Speaker 2: do my work very quickly, but I can't bring myself
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  Speaker 2: to focus on doing boring improvements or studying for certifications.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder often if perhaps I do have an attention deficit.
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  Speaker 1: I did make it through the six hour ADHD episodes,
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  Speaker 1: then you don't done, You're cured.
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  Speaker 2: I did make it through those six hours of ADHD episodes,
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  Speaker 2: but I was hiking at the same time and not
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  Speaker 2: everything stuck. Never mind, you do have ANHD. Is there
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  Speaker 2: the possibility I actually have a problem? Does it make
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  Speaker 2: sense to try and get it tested? When I still
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  Speaker 2: perform well despite it? It's not really a clinically significant
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  Speaker 2: amount of distress, as y'all say. When it doesn't cripple
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  Speaker 2: my life, I still perform above average. All these thoughts
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  Speaker 2: were brought to the forefront by a recent article titled
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  Speaker 2: sex and Intelligent Quotient differences in age of diagnosis among
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  Speaker 2: youth with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, and the DOI is listed.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have the correct academic background to assess the
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  Speaker 2: quality of the work, but it recognized myself in parts
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  Speaker 2: of it, I guess. In the end, the question is
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  Speaker 2: if I have been masking ADHD by having enough academic
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  Speaker 2: reserve to get by. Thank you for considering my rambling question,
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  Speaker 2: your friend Matthias van der Brandt. Oh, Matthias, I got
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  Speaker 2: nothing but good news for you, buddy. What is it
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  Speaker 2: you sat through that entire six hour episode? Yes, that
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  Speaker 2: means you do not have ADHD and you win the
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  Speaker 2: rec You are the only person in history to have
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  Speaker 2: watched it. Yeah, you have an attention surplus disorder. You
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  Speaker 2: have too much attention. You are capable of grabbing a
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  Speaker 2: mosquito out of the air with chopsticks.
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  Speaker 1: That is where you are at while you're hiking.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and chuggling and solving a riddle and reading
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  Speaker 2: a book.
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  Speaker 1: That is the level.
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  Speaker 3: Did you look up the article?
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's that sounds I just looked just now.
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  Speaker 3: So Yeah. Basically what I saw is that higher i
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  Speaker 3: Q was related to a later age of diagnosis.
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  Speaker 1: That would make sense, and.
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  Speaker 3: That higher hyperactive impulsive symptoms and externalizing symptoms were related
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  Speaker 3: to an earlier age of diagnosis, which is kind of
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  Speaker 3: where my mind went. I was like, why know, really
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  Speaker 3: intelligent people who still like struggled in but they did
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  Speaker 3: display those outward hyperactive not so much like an attentive
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  Speaker 3: as the old school diagnosed went.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the old school diagnosis. It's funny because if you
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  Speaker 2: really want to get back into the history of ADHD,
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  Speaker 2: which we all do like telling, it appears first in
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  Speaker 2: d S.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, well, don't spoil.
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  Speaker 2: Also, my thing is six hours.
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  Speaker 1: Are you telling me love? Actually wasn't. Actually it felt
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  Speaker 1: like six ours.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Also mine has multiple plotlines such a shitty movie.
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  Speaker 1: How many characters did your ADHD deep dive in just
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  Speaker 1: one monologue? I do it in a Morgan Freeman voice.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe the ADHD is why I like love actually juggling.
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  Speaker 1: It was a tall drunk of water. But yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: it first appears in DA Sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: I thought they were watching penguins. And in that one
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  Speaker 2: it talks about it as like the child running as
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  Speaker 2: if on a motor right, and so you're right, like
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  Speaker 2: those externalized ADHD symptoms. The kid can't sit down, they're bumbling,
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  Speaker 2: they're fumbling, they're touching their fiddling constantly, super obvious, right,
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  Speaker 2: and and that usually has those same ramifications of like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: they're not getting work done. They're a disciplined problem in
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  Speaker 2: the class. So that causes that clinically significant amount of
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  Speaker 2: distress criteria, and pretty quickly this stuff gets diagnosed. But
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  Speaker 2: Matthias is talking about I think what you're referencing there,
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  Speaker 2: Whitney is, yeah, whenever, they're internalized symptoms, so they're not
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  Speaker 2: really bothering anybody. This kid is just flighty and it
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  Speaker 2: has trouble concentrating, but they're not out of their seat,
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  Speaker 2: they're not giving anybody the business that's harder to catch,
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  Speaker 2: and then if they have that, i Q that may make.
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  Speaker 1: Up for it.
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  Speaker 2: So even though they're not able to like focus long
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  Speaker 2: on the text or like sit down and gather intricate information,
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  Speaker 2: their deductive reasoning skills their implications are really strong. They
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  Speaker 2: gather data just naturally. They're kind of a sponge and
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  Speaker 2: they're just getting it right a lot of the time,
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  Speaker 2: and so then nobody ever notes this because their functioning
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  Speaker 2: is so high.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, I mean, I'm going to ask this
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  Speaker 3: like very try to be open minded here because I
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  Speaker 3: feel like it's a little tacky or something.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm very excited. Okay, do we want to take
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  Speaker 2: bids on this? I think it's going to be super racist.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of what I was thinking. I was right,
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  Speaker 2: there is a lot a lot of Texas, but deep down,
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  Speaker 2: you can't take the Texas out of the girl.
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  Speaker 1: She's going to say, own racist. It's been waiting. She
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  Speaker 1: had that in the back of her mouth all year.
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  Speaker 2: But she's only racist against the Dutch.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's very specific. Dude. That's a real
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  Speaker 1: thing to hate. It is. It's hilarious racist example against
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  Speaker 1: I grew up in Iowa, like up in the northwest Iowa. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I remember as a kid, like my my family or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about Hollanders and I was like, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: what's a Hollander? You know.
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  Speaker 3: The names, and like a yeah, yeah, but.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, well Kurts my uncle his last name. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but then then somebody of my family, Yeah, but he's
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  Speaker 1: one of the good ones. Yes, every time. That's fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: But like that's what happens when your your group is
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  Speaker 1: so white, right, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, those guys eat Hellman's mannaise like animals.
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  Speaker 3: Instead of what dukes.
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  Speaker 1: All right, sorry, go on, we were sorry you got
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  Speaker 1: in the way.
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  Speaker 3: No, I I hate asking this even in in sessions,
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  Speaker 3: but I will sometimes still anyway, because my question would
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  Speaker 3: be like why do you want to get or not
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  Speaker 3: saying they want to get diagnosed, but why? Why is
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  Speaker 3: this important?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad we cut that out. I'm glad that
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  Speaker 2: nobody heard that because we removed it.
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  Speaker 3: Because when I ask people that in session, like sometimes
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  Speaker 3: it's received well, but sometimes it feels a little like
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  Speaker 3: what do you mean, Like you're trying to tell me
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  Speaker 3: I just live with these symptoms, you know, yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 3: But genuinely the question is why is that important if
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  Speaker 3: you're functioning okay like you've said and all that, And
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  Speaker 3: so I'm not saying like, oh, don't go get a
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  Speaker 3: diagnosis or whatever, but I'm just curious, like, well, you're.
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  Speaker 2: Bringing up a good point. It's been a long time
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  Speaker 2: since we've talked about why ADHD is unique among diagnostics
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  Speaker 2: than other things, because like in today's day and age,
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  Speaker 2: it's an identity thing and so for a lot of people,
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  Speaker 2: which is why your question is not you know, means
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  Speaker 2: it's genuinely curious because unlike other things, somebody doesn't We
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  Speaker 2: don't have a lot of patients coming in wondering if
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  Speaker 2: they have generalized anxiety disorder because they see it as
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  Speaker 2: part of who they are. That doesn't come up very much,
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  Speaker 2: you know, or like, hey, I want to know if
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  Speaker 2: I have depression because I wonder if that's who I
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  Speaker 2: really am? Do I have a different kind of brain
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  Speaker 2: that thinks depression And it's like no, because the other
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  Speaker 2: diagnoses don't really work that way. Whereas autism and ADHD,
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  Speaker 2: you know, are neurodevelopmental diagnoses and in common parlance, we
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  Speaker 2: talk about neurodivergence and things like that. It's seen as
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  Speaker 2: a culture and like a way of being and it's
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  Speaker 2: become also a sube.
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  Speaker 3: That's a point.
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  Speaker 2: And so there's a lot of people that do come
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  Speaker 2: in and ask us like, hey, can I diagnose? Would
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  Speaker 2: you diagnose this? And I think it's natural for us
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  Speaker 2: to ask because we get plenty of people that are
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  Speaker 2: asking out of genuine curiosity, not because there is something
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  Speaker 2: that's happening in their life and they're here to get
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  Speaker 2: help with it. Some people come in and go, I
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  Speaker 2: think I have this and I need help for it.
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  Speaker 2: More often we have people that come in and go,
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  Speaker 2: I just want to know if this is who I am?
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  Speaker 1: You know what, Like the longer we go like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: wondering if I have it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do too.
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  Speaker 2: Every time Jim speaks and zone just zone out.
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  Speaker 1: Jim starts talking, I'm just like, maybe Jim gives people
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  Speaker 1: I think patients zero.
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  Speaker 4: What You're really boring, dude, They were testing all of us,
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  Speaker 4: But I can I can relate to this like in
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  Speaker 4: my life now, like you know, at work or even
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  Speaker 4: stuff I don't know, just things that I have to do.
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  Speaker 1: It just takes a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like how much is this normal? Like I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to do this boring ass task. I don't like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, cleaning my floors either sucks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and I think there's also something to be
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  Speaker 2: said for this. So like I was tested for HD
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  Speaker 2: as a surprising nobody, and yeah, they said I had it.
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  Speaker 2: But my mom wasn't gonna let me take drugs because
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  Speaker 2: she's lame.
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  Speaker 1: She just hit me a lot and solf.
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  Speaker 2: That worked, Southern justice, That's how the Baptists raised their kids.
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  Speaker 1: She actually had a really good technique. Yeah, backhand, like
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  Speaker 1: she was on the show.
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  Speaker 3: I like this stuck with me speech.
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  Speaker 1: My people will not stand for this.
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  Speaker 3: If you're listening, Nick, and I remember.
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  Speaker 1: We were listening. Yeah, because if she had something important
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  Speaker 1: to tell you, she would touch you. Yeah, with the
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  Speaker 1: back of her hand. Yeah, abruptly swinging motion with a spoon.
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  Speaker 1: You'll switch No, But like that's a technique, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to kind of get somebody.
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  Speaker 3: To test for the reading, like playing the audiobook and
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  Speaker 3: the Yeah, if.
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  Speaker 2: She tries that. She still does that to this day.
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  Speaker 2: Like if she's talking to you, yeah, that too. We'll
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  Speaker 2: be driving get it. And like while while I'm driving
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  Speaker 2: and she's sitting next to me, and you know, we'll
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  Speaker 2: be chatting. Sometimes I'll get distracted, like I'll be listening
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  Speaker 2: to the radio while she's talking.
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  Speaker 1: Distracted by the road and you need to listen to me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I like to hang my head out the window.
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  Speaker 1: You know that it feels good, so good at my nostrils.
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  Speaker 2: But no, I mean, like for the writer on this one,
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  Speaker 2: I think that there is value to getting a test done.
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  Speaker 2: But one of the things that I think, and this
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  Speaker 2: is one of the things I really joyed about the
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  Speaker 2: ADHD Deep Dive the misinformation the public has about how
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  Speaker 2: testing occurs. And it's one of these things that's very
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  Speaker 2: difficult to decide, Like we don't have an objective measure
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  Speaker 2: that says yes or no. And a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: are surprised by that because the way we talk about
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  Speaker 2: this culturally now is that it is a way of
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  Speaker 2: being that you are neurodivergent, that this is a fact
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  Speaker 2: about you, like having red hair, or doing a twenty
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  Speaker 2: three ae meters and discovering that you're you know, Ukrainian
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  Speaker 2: or something like. People believe it's that objectively able to
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  Speaker 2: be detective. It's not true, we have all we do
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  Speaker 2: have assessments like scale assessments. We also usually pair that
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  Speaker 2: with interviews, interviews of like the children's teachers or people
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  Speaker 2: in their lives, asking them what does it like to
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  Speaker 2: interact with this person? And then we also do a
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  Speaker 2: long form interview with the patient where the therapist is
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  Speaker 2: asking probing questions. But we're also looking for these areas
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  Speaker 2: of disconnect. And it's tricky because culturally we now live
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  Speaker 2: in a world where people want that diagnosis. Because we
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  Speaker 2: talk about this in the Deep Dive. It's validating, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and it also feels humanizing for many of them because
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  Speaker 2: they're like, Okay, like in Matthiasi's case, if I failed
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  Speaker 2: to reach potentials that I think I'm capable of, but
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  Speaker 2: it turns out my brain works a certain way and
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  Speaker 2: I did the best I could based on how I'm wired,
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  Speaker 2: then there is no shame or guilt for that. I
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  Speaker 2: need to practice acceptance, yes, and that's meaningful, right. And
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  Speaker 2: so we have a lot of people that come in
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  Speaker 2: looking for testing, and now we have you know, typically
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  Speaker 2: most of us an outpatient like Whitney and I, we're
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  Speaker 2: not really doing much of that. I tell people I
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  Speaker 2: won't do a formal assessment, you know. But if I've
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  Speaker 2: worked with you for a while and then you say
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  Speaker 2: something like do you think I have ADHD, I don't
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  Speaker 2: mind giving you some speculation that is I will do yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and like, yeah, I'm probably right, And it's like, but
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  Speaker 2: I need to go do the full assessment. Not really,
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  Speaker 2: I've met enough like you probably have it. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 2: I always tell people one of the best tests I
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  Speaker 2: have for this is go to your doctor, tell them
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  Speaker 2: you think you have ADHD, and take out all I Okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's how we're going to find that.
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  Speaker 3: I never know if I'm epical saying that, but I
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  Speaker 3: basically do the same shit. I'm like, I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a doctor. Go talk to your doctor them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, take a bump of this.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody, well, Jim has really good ethics. So I'm a
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  Speaker 3: little nervous. But no, I will literally tell them some
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  Speaker 3: version of a stimulant. I'm like, try it, see how
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  Speaker 3: you feel, because that is like step one to get
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  Speaker 3: a lot of information.
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  Speaker 5: Potentially a prescribe stimulant prescribed yes, yeah, because that that
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  Speaker 5: does teach us a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Because ADHD brains tend to function differently on that. But
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: you know, writer, I mean the value of the diagnosis.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: It depends.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I pick up from some of the way you wrote
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: this that you might live in North America because you
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: said university and you.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Know wow culture.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know things. I drink and I know things.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: This is how you define Jim. But no, like, I
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: don't know what the value is in your country. We
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: had a listener named Heather for a long time that
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: was telling us how waited for like two years for
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: an ADHD assessment in Great Britain, And so I assume
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: it can be very, very difficult here in America. You
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: can get it the same day. You can walk into
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: any place and get one. If you want a full
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: long form assessment. No, well, if you want a full
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: long form assessment, you're going to have to go to
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: a clinical psychologist because they like to do testing. But
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: that's one of the things that's fascinating about the history
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: of ADHD diagnosis is that in DSM two it was
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: very clinically high barred. Then DSM three came out and
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: they specifically rewrote three to not be used by trained
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: mental health providers because there weren't enough mental health diagnoses
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: being cast and they thought, okay, DSM two is too
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: high falutint and it's written for psychiatry and psychologists. So
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: in three they wrote it for general practitioners, which is
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: when they really started getting that deductive criteria. And if
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: you look at the history of the ADHD diagnosis in
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: three and in three revision, they water it then, and
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: that's when the flood of eighties and nineties diagnoses start
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: happening at the pediatric level because it was written for
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: the average pediatrician to diagnosis, which they started flooding that
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: market with because it was so back of the envelope
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: like yep, yes, yes, yes, they all meet criteria right,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: And that was before people even wanted that diagnosis. It
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: was not good, but it was like a damn zodiac
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: like it was very relatable and they didn't have I
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: don't think in three they had the clinically significant amount
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: of stress and the doctors were not trained to get
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: into differential diagnosis for mental health conditions, so they just
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: stamped everybody with ADHD. Then four comes out and in
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: five they've there's been some maneuvering to try to like
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: adjust for this, but generally in five and in the revision,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: the doors have been further widened.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: So four created two.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: We're not gonna get into this, but four created two
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: different diagnoses, you know, ADD and ADHD, and then five
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: just combined everything again and it's created types and so
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: you just have it and then there's types depressions of it.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: But anyway, writer, I mean, I don't see a lot
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: of practical utility to getting the diagnosis. Also, people misunderstand
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: diagnoses and they believe that they are somehow telling you
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: the truth about yourself. Yeah, and really that's not how
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: we hold them. We hold them very loosely. Mental health
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: diagnoses work in reverse. They just describe clusters of symptoms.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: They don't tell you the cause like a medical diagnoses
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: tells you the cause. If you say, I have tummy problems,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: that's the symptom, But then the cause could be your
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: lactose intolerant. And when you get diagnosed with lactose intolerance,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: you realize, my god, I've learned something about how my
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: body works. Knowing that cause of my tummy pain informs
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: the rest of my life. Now I know this about me.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: But mental health diagnoses just don't work that way. Even
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: ADHD does not work that way well, because they're all
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: about your parents. Yes, it's always about whether your mom
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: slap you across the face. That's always the diagnosis. But
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: it also doesn't teach you about yourself. The best we
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: can ever give you is a summary of your cluster
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: of symptoms, and if it meets a certain definition, we
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: will name it. And that's functionally what an ADHD diagnosis is.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: We're not telling you how your brain works. We're not
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: scanning your brain and telling you the kind of person
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: you are deep down, and it doesn't, you know, truly
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: define you. I mean, fifty percent of those diagnosed with
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: ADHD in childhood will grow out of it. They will
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: eventually be asymptomatic. It will no longer count. But people
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: are still led to believe in our society that ADHD
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: diagnosis is who you are. And if you get this
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: at ten years old, then that is who you are.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: That is how your brain works the rest of your life.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of misinformation and you know, tiktokisation about
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: this stuff. Soly Matthias, I don't know that it benefits
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: you if you're functional, if you suspect you have it,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: and as an exercise and curiosity you want to explore it. Okay,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: but even as you approach that, you have to hold
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: it loosely because you self report all of your symptoms.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: You answer all the assessment questions, which is really difficult
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: because we've shown studies that people that want to be
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: diagnosed with ADHD are Yeah, if we can't blind you,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: we can't blind the test. You're going to self report.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: There's going to be an influence.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe look up different skills that we talk
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: about when like I say, treating ADHD, but helping people
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: who do show symptoms of ADHD, helping them function in
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: their daily lives, maybe, like maybe just trying to apply
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: some of those like you can go at it assuming like, Okay,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: let's assume I do have it. What would I do
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: if I need to do a task I really don't
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: want to do?
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the real violance, Yeah, get.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Hot step one, step one.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Die Whitney's code. No, but your Whitney nailed it. Like
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: I always tell people, more important than a diagnosis, get
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: to the solutions. What do people in this community? What
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: does treatment look like to try to help people improve
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: their functioning. That's the thing you should be greedy for, Matthias,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: because there's a lot of great interventions that you can
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: use in a lot of great skills. And if you
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: discover that those things are applicable to your life, that
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: will really expedite a lot of your work. And you'll
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: find that if you're trying to like do some things
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: at your work that you can't typically do, by those measures,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: you might be able to accelerate your career or access
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: some parts of you that you couldn't before.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: And I think that, I think it's awesome. I mean
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: the stuff that you've been able to do already. I know,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: you became an engineer. That's so cool.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: You send an email to a podcast, Yeah, and you
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: support one, which is really the most important thing. It's
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: honestly the best thing you could do for yourself.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Also, if you financially support the show and you ever
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: write in about how to improve your career, we will
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: help you.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, we want you to make more money. Little self serving.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we assume we get a taste. Okay, if
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: we help you get a promotion or a raise. I
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: believe there's a tithe in order. I think first year salary.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: You just donate that to the show, just the race,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: and you keep the.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Rest a rising tide lifts all boats.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: That's how it's supposed to work. But yeah, great question, man,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: It's very relatable. But yeah, more interested than the diagnosis.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I would encourage you to start looking into books on
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: those who live with this, what do they do? Tips, tricks,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: websites of support, interventions, workbooks. I would really encourage you
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: to look into that because that's really going to be
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: the thing you want anyway more than you want a
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: yes or no to this. And as an identity marker,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: look into the things that help people that live in
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: patterned way similar to you, because that will be something
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: that will actually improve your life.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: If you want any validation, just go to Reddit and
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: liked memes. It's my favorite.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: No, that's for you later.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I'm like me, me, and don't forget to stop by
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Whitney's bagadope dot com.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Get it. The show's brought to you by Whitney's Bagadope
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: dot com. Served Lukewarm, Yeah, market Price.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: We're gonna take a quick break and when we come back,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: we're talking about neighbors.
• 24:45
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• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the world. Okay, here we go, let's just go. Let's
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: keep our thing going with the order. You're up first. Okay,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: what hat is that? I am curious. That's a saint hat?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, can you not see that from there? No?
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I don't have my glasses. Did you drive here? Yeah,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: in your car? I do glasses in mind before me,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: because this isn't like we're not This is not fifty
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: feet no, no, no, no, he's maybe seven feet away. I
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: have no idea in which country do people consume. Oh
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: my god, why did you put that in here? Emma?
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, big words, nick and a hat level.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Yep, that's what it is. A corn fungus considered a
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: delicacy often enjoyed during stressful times for its rich flavor.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I'll spell it for you if it matters. H U
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I T L A C O C h E.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Who can we use spelling bee? Can we just use
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: spelling be rules? You use spelling be rules. I would
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: like country of origin please, oh there you go there, etymology,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I just have to guess a country, so multiple choice, yes, obviously,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: in which country do they stress eat the fungus COUCHI.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, pretty much Spain, Mexico, Peru, or Argentina.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: My my guests early on was Mexico, so I'll stick
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: with that.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's highlight here and see what we got. You
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: got Mexico on the board.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Also Mexico listeners send us the kuchi.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: We gotta try that. We gotta find out how that
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: affects the stress that. Yeah, it should be fine. Yeah,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: get right through that.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Agricultural stop.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What is stargazy pie? A dish where fish heads
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: protrude through the crust, traditionally eaten to relieve stress during festivals?
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: In which country Jesus Christ obviously option yeah? Okay, uh,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: gret would have been if she was just like, yeah, bamn.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, if there's anybody here that would know it,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: it's probably Whitney. Yeah, England, Australia, Canada or New Zealand.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Jesus, I thought it was gonna be like a Scandinavian
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: That's what I was going to go. I thought it'd
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: be a Finland and Norway like they'll eat fish heads.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Fucking Dutch.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: You said England to Dutch listeners.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I just want you to know that even seven years
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I was Yeah, I was clear. I was on your side.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, A sunny boy is a therap producers. Let's not
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: fuss this up. We got to keep this been good
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: to us. Yeah, yeah, we're friends.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Options were Canada, England, New Zealand and what Australia?
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Australia and another fish head on the bobby mate.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: I guess Canada.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: That feels right. That's the most Nordic of all. Sounds
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: like a nova Scotia. Yeah.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm not letting to talk me out of things anymore.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: We're talking you into it.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: I know. That's why I listen to you.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, all right, I mean New Zealand needs
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Of weird.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: England but like fish heads is a bridge too far,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: seems to flavorable Canada.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: You don't don't go with I'm going with Canada.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: She does it, she does gets God damn England, England
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: come on specifically Cornwall, Oh corn, that makes sense.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I forgot about corn.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those idiots and Cornwall, Jim.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: In which country might you find people eating shiriko.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I think it's hiraco, go on, it might be actually
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: it is, go On.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: He doesn't need options.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: They don't even use that racetrack? Which is which is
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: cod sperm? Used to be a Yeah, that's right. Gods
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: co considered a delicate delicacy that some believe helps alleviate stress.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: What is the country? Oh boy, yeah, I'll need options
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: on that. Japan, that's gotta Russia.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: God damn, fuck yourway.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Those are all viable? Really are shit? Who's eaten fishes?
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I feel like the Japanese are doing it. Yeah, let's
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: go with that. You're sure you don't want to go
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: to South Korea.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I'm going hard with the Japanese. I think that's it.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Give me Japan that point at both that is disgusting.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: You suck at fishes there?
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: It is? Get it all.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: What is everybody's stress food? What is your go to
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: stressy food?
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Craft? Like blue box?
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: No.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: I used to, but it doesn't taste as good I
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: do annis.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I like with the bunny rabbits are really good.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: I try to make it quote healthier by blending cottage
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: cheese and.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Whoa, that's actually okay.
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: So thickens it a bit there it is, yeah, okay,
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: she likes in There is a little bit.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: It's wine and creamy.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Dim. There goes the family.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, oh my god, I could eat a whole box.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: They're not meant to be eaten by two people. They
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: are four one, the whole box. The whole box except.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: The holiday season right now, Queen and chocolate covered cherries.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: You like this? Oh yeah, send me to CVS any day.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I'm coming out with boxes. Those are amazing. I would
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: eat the ship out of that.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Mine is You go to Trader Joe's and they which
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: is kind of like our organic store, I don't know,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: hippie store whatever. They sell these buckets of these like
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: peanut butter cups dipped in dark chocolate. I've tried these
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: and I'll just clean that thing out.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: I'm eating them by the fistful, and each one is
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: like the size of a half dollar, Like they're pretty big.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Sweet old day, And I don't like sweets, but keep
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: saying that, But then men, Yeah, I don't know Whicher's Jacob.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Probably like a chip or something like that, like chips
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: or like nachos or something something that in that category.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I just had the movies. Liquid cheese.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of the liquid cheese, Like the
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: real cheese just melted a little bit.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Her cottage cheese.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Dip makes it healthier.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Also makes the poops just slide right out.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: That's the oil.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I don't even notice she's doing it, just going up
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the stairs.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: This is great.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I wonder why nobody's ever picked up our show for
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: some big network. If somebody's chasing movie, she can just
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: slide one out and they slip on it.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: It's like a banana beer. Yeah, it's like the banana Mario.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I've designed a T shirt. Yes, they called her.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: They call her beaver tail. That's is what looks like
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: when it slided out.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Little Whitney pillots all over the book Whitney walkxas.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: That's a whole new meaning.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Now, oh, great show, all right. Next question is about neighbors.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Hello pod Therapy the just say the obvious like, Hello
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: pot Therapy crew. I love the podcast. You all do
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: such a great job. I've recently realized that one of
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: the things I find most frustrating with others is probably
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: a me problem, not a them problem, And I would
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: love your take. I'm not sure really, what to do
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: about all this. I've realized a pattern in myself that
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: I'm extremely uncomfortable interacting with people who would fit into
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: the box of acquaintances, especially when I'm in my bubble
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: of where I live. In college, I was assigned roommates
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: even in my apartments. None of them were pleasant experiences
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: and all went very poorly for various reasons. I tried
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: to make friends with each of them to start, but
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: would eventually do everything in my power to avoid any
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: interactions with roommates, neighbors, et cetera. I usually ended up
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: isolating as much as possible. This continued at the condo
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: my husband and I lived in before purchasing our house.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: We ended up moving partially due to the lack of
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: peace smelling weed through the walls at all hours of
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: the day or night, hearing fighting through the walls, et cetera.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Living with friends for a few months a few years
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: ago was great and I didn't have this experience. Moving
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: into our house, I thought this was finally over since
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: we were in a very nice subdivision where lots are
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: where the lots are fairly large, most are around an acre.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Plus we are in our own building. Boy was I wrong.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I found myself actively altering my behavior trying to avoid
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: the neighbors on one side. If I saw them outside
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: they have been nothing but kind, but feeling like I'm
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: required to have a conversation with them anytime we're all
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: outside is anxiety provoking. We've learned that the neighbors behind
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: us are not exactly friendly, so no worries about a
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: forced friendly encounter. However, their kids, all girls, are constantly
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: outside playing if the weather's anywhere near nice enough. And
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: when I say playing, I really mean screaming so loud
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: we can hear them with all the windows and doors
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: closed all day and late into the evening, to the
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: point to the point it many times goes on past
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: when we are trying to sleep. I've had people I
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: am on video calls with ask what's going on when
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting inside with all the windows and doors closed.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: It's that loud childbrter yikes. Many times the kids are
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: so mean that one will end up crying and the
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: parents come out and screaming. This has led to me
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: feeling so much anxiety about being outside in my yard,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: and it makes me feel oddly exposed, even inside my house,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: which I hate. I absolutely love being outside when the
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: weather allows, but never feel that I can. But at
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, when I have had to
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: interact with people intimately all day, all I want is
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: peace and feelings of serenity. I know I'm the asshole
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: for having an issue with kids playing outside or kind
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: neighbors trying to strike up a conversation. Anyone I've mentioned
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: this too has pointed out how I better get used
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: to it if we're going to have kids, and has
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: joked that I'm such a grumpy old lady in a
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: late twenty something body. However, I don't remember constantly screaming
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: while playing as a kid, nor do I think this
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: is just being a kid.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I could be wrong.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: As we are searching for our forever home, this has
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: been a major factor. Living with no neighbors anywhere is
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: not an option. I know that some of this is
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: a me issue, but I have no idea what to
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: do about it, or where the lines between valid concerns
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: and my own shit is? Is it normal to have
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: these feelings? Any suggestions and thoughts are greatly appreciated. Things
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: my pronouns are she and her ps. It occurred to
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: me that a solution that would probably be thrown out
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: is a fence or shrubs. Unfortunately, our town, as well
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: as most we would be moving to, does not allow
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: fences at all unless it is directly around an inground pool.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: And we've looked at shrubs. Ones that would actually give
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: us privacy would cost something like thirty thousand dollars, so
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: that's also out of the question. Anyway, Thanks again, Anonymous.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: There's some plant species that grow really fast, so you
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: can get small ones that'll grow up into something relatively quickly. Weirdly,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking fence at all. I went straight to
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: motion activated sprinklers.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, that'll keep the kids out of the problem. How
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I knew that you would be good answering this question. Yeah,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: robot scent.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Sniper towernkler. I know, I don't know the rules around
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: the fences, but I kind of.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Could put in a pool. There you go. You yeah,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: you can put it in a boat. Call on a pool,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: put a fence around it. Problem solved. Thanks anyway, rider,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: take care. We can't afford the shrugs. We could afford
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the moat. You could take a moat. You could afford
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: a shovel. Can't you.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Like I wonder what rules are around like just a
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: little privacy fence around like a back porch or something,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like or if you had
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: a back patio or deck built on, could you do
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: plants like around there? It limits you to your own yard.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: And I get that that's annoying.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: But I had a deck in Iowa. We had a
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: huge deck, like it was the biggest deck in town. Huge.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: They called him Big Deck Nick. It was. There was
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: like three levels to it. It had a gazebo built
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: in in the center. Yeah, it's actually actually the it
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: was ribbed. It was the size.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Of our main floor living room, like widthwise, the whole thing, oving.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Room, kitchen, square footage. It was the entire lower like
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: it was that big on one side. So great there
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: really is, I mean it was it was. It wasn't
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: very long, but it was girthy. Yeah yeah, yeah, satisfying
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: is what you're trying to say.
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, very sat It was a lot what color was
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: it was brown, a big brown deck. I like those,
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: And there was we put up lattice on one side
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: of it. That's what it doesn't do anything for noise.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the noise does allow private right, Yeah.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: So there, Nick's had a sharp tip on it, but
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: they nipped the tip. Yeah, cut that away. Yeah, yeah,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: you throw that away. That was just part of our culture,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: the landscape when it was brand new. Yeah, that's when
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: you toss it away. This is a very veguus question
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: because I don't know. I mean, with the exception of
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: probably Jacob, three of us, if you live anywhere in Vegas, dude,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: you could hear every goddamn thing.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because we can. You can stand in our backyards
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: and reach the next and our homes are built of
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: like wood and dry wall, right, like stuck up a stirefox, sir,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: what do you call it? Yeah, the stucko.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like a wire mash. And when I lived in Texas,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: we had a brick house and that house was on
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: like a half acre or something like that. And like
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: if you were yelling in your house, your neighbors couldn't
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: hear that, Like that would never come through.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: I hear when my neighbor runs the vacuum. Really, yeah, dude,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: that's a lot. That is a lot.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: I don't hear that from I'm going.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: That's one hundred percent. Are you sure it's not your
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: son running back?
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: It's not like they're on one opposite house and I'm
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: on the opposite People run there.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Himself. It's not poor like me.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: What if I'm in the room adjacent to their house
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: and they are vacuuming in the room adjacent to my house,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I can hear it.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: I have thought the way that my health to set
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: up relative to my neighbors. They're like rooms or living
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: spaces are not really next to my house, like they're
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: set up further away. But I have I stressed about
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: this a lot because when you buy a house or
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: even just renting, you're like, I am committing two years
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: here potentially, yeah, you're and you don't get to choose
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: your neighbors like they're just there, and especially when you
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: buy like I don't know, basically my thoughts were. You
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: said you couldn't look for your forever home in the
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: middle of nowhere. You're gonna have to have neighbors. You
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: can't do a fence. I recommend looking for a house
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: built in the nineties because all those people are original
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: owners and they're very quiet because they're all seventy and
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: eighty years old. I think I'm the youngest person in
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: my neighborhood. We had comments all the time, die that's okay.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: The people that I thought that too, But the young
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: people that move in are forty and fifty. It's very
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: interesting because yeah, so.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: My the Whitney's solution is segregation. So we've got we've
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: got motion detecting sprinklers, build a moat.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Yet we're doing good.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: We got a lot of suggestions that none for your buck, right,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: none of them are therapy, like the thing we're probably
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: good at.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: No, you're getting our landscape suggestions. This is where we
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: can solve your problem.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. My mind goes to with
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: the noise that the kids. I mean, can you do
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: noise complaints?
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if you can do that.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: I want to be that person.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: I mean kids playing the kids, the kids, the parent
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: comes out screaming at them. In my opinion, it's like
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: the parents screaming out their kids're.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Gonna be screaming at you. You go over there on
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: their door.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: That's the thing is like, you can you can go
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: the route of putting up you know, like a no
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: trespassing sign and everything and give them notice and all,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: and then you can have people trespassed from your property
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: and like that's it's a lot. But if it's if
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: it's you're enough.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I thought they were coming on to the to the
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: writer's property the way I is like vision there.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: You know those houses you I've seen in pictures. Listeners
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: can tell me.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: It's like in.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Minnesota and places where these houses just exist and there
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: are no fences for these yards. And I always wonder,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: I'm like, how do you go enjoy your yard to
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: meet you don't?
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Like it's just that's yeah, that's every most houses in Iowa,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: like our house.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: We had hunt in Texas, everyone's got a fence, no
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: no one, so they know when they can shoot. You
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: had a fence, so weird, So what did you You
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: just ran around everyone's yard or yeah?
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And see that's the thing is like you know,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: if they were outside, we talked to them, and it's
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: it's but that's also Midwest culture, you know, like you
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: know Gary and Karen lived right there, they've lived right there,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: and Nate lived down there, and the Melchers lived right here.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Brought you together, yeah, and so like you know, if
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: they were outside, were just sit and talking and like
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: we had a bonfire out in the back and so would.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't be uncommon that, you know, if at night
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: we were out there and one of them came out,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: they would just yeah, they'd just come over and they
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: were just yeah, it was kind of nice. But here's
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: the thing, like, not everybody is like that, you know,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: like some people like Jim would not do well in that.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: So if you had a neighbor Nick who just like
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: kind of walked into their house and just like gave
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: you a wave and then went inside, would you be
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: like that guy's so rude or would you just like
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: that's just billy.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: He's me looking at it now, I just yeah, I
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: would think like I wouldn't think anything of it because
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I live in Vegas.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I feel like rude.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: It would yeah, I mean not necessarily rude, but you
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: were just kind of like, huh, well, that person's not
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: very friendly. See.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: That's what's hard because I agree in Vegas, I wouldn't
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: think anything of it, like, oh, they just want to
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: keep to themselves.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I appreciate that my neighbors don't talk to me.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: That's lamy.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I don't want that. But if if they ever like
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: you know, waved and walked inside I probably wouldn't think
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: anything of it. Yeah, if they never looked over, they
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: never waved, they never did anything, they just kept themselves,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: then yes, I would think like, oh, that's.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: The same neighbors for the entire time I've owned the house,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: which is coming up on ten years now.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: It's actress.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: No idea, no, no, they the docs gym. I have
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: no idea what their names are.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: I you don't know your neighbors names.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Nope, not an idea.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: We have seen them if we are all in our
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: houses are quite close, and if if we are outside
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: in our driveways, like we have a little like shared
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: like piece of land between our two driveways where we
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: put trash cans and so like, if we are in
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: proximity to each other, and if they're out there doing
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: something in their yard or now I'm out there playing
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: with my kid, we will be that close and never
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: ever acknowledge each other, never look at each other. Don't
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: now not now. The neighbor on the other side, they'll
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: walk their doll And I've known them for years only
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: because they came over and introduced themselves, and then I
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: try not to talk to them, but they always try
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: to talk to me, so like I'll be walking in
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: to my car and like, hey, Jim, how's it going,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: And I'm like like I just like look down at
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: my feet and like togency, I gotta go. But like
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: they'll they'll always say like hi, you doing, and they're
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: a very nice Indian family. But like I just I
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: don't want to talk to people like out in the world.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: It's because you're afraid you'll give them a DHD.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: There's that.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: I have a responsibility, man, Patient zero. You just strike
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: up a conversation with your neighbors.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I did it yesterday today.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: The FU is wrong with you people. You'd be the
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: worst neighbors. I'm so sad to live next I'm a
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: great nighbor because I don't talk to it.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I'll talk to them unless they talk to me.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, if they instigate a conversation, like I'll like yell
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: hello or something. Sure, and that's the extent that I'm instigating. Yeah,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: but if they if they strike up a conversation, I'll
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: stand there and have a conversation.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I don't talk to my neighbors, and it does bother me.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Wheel I feel terrible about it. Wait, I feel do
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: you mean what? Cause I feel like, I don't know.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: I just feel rude. I just feel like it's like
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I the fact that I've lived across the street from
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: somebody and I don't know them, I feel like that's
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: just a bad thing.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: I just feel like kidding me, that feels correct.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Why do you need to know him? I don't have
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: anything to do with his life. Leave him alone. We
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: share a street. That's it.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: It's not entitled you to anything. Okay, you stand on
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: your side of that fucking street.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: But I do agree with knowing them.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Whenever you have to return their mail, like you know,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: you get the mail and it's it's wrongly delivered.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'll do that.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: But you know what you have to do now is
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: because everybody has a ring doorbell. It's like I'll walk
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: up to the ring doorbell like, you know, wave because I.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Don't even know what work. I feel most awkward doing that,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Like can you're meant to like that's how yea? Even
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: the elderly couple.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially straight up to him. And because they don't
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: know how to change my.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Fault settings and they don't know how to post it
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: on the internet phone, there was movement.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess Here's the other thing, too, writer,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: is you kind of I mean you kind of have
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: to pick your battles here because I mean, assuming you
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: do live someplace like Iowa or in the Midwest, you
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: know where you know that you can keep to yourself,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: and that may be good for you, But then you
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: also kind of wonder too, like by doing so, does
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: that make the problem worse and does it make it
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: more awkward or would you be better off just you know, hi,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: how you doing, and go inside and just kind of
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: keep your distance that way, but still have.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: To be overly friendly conversation you can smile and not
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: doesn't for me.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I don't like that.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Like if I see you out there and we're both
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: you know, why do we need to go meet and
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: talk pass by and be oh, hey, Jim, hey, how
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: you doing?
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Great to see him? That's exactly what I said.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: No, you want to go knock on people's doors and
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: ask them how they're.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Doing and trying their bonfire?
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: You want to bring him a cast roll?
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, you do. That's what I want to do.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: But that wasn't my suggest.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: You're deep Midwestern pones are begging to make this person
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: a cast roll.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: When I moved to Las Vegas in twenty ten. I
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: literally was like, I'm going to bring my neighbors some cookie.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: I'm going to get to know. This is why I'm
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: wanting to.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Answer the door. If I saw you out, I wouldn't answer.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: The This is what this guy did. He had to
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: be close to our age, like so mid twenties or whatever,
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: and I like knock on the door and he like
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: cracks the door. His dogs down there looks like a
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: scary dog. I was like, okay, I'm like, hi, we
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: live next door in when he's like okay, and then
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: he just like takes the cookies and never talks.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: To me again. Have that guy take the cookies and
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: then we.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Smell those dogs shit in our backyard every time it rained,
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: like thanks, bring cookies again.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, I had a similar experience. I didn't bake anybody cookies,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: but somebody but he didn't shit there.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: That was the snow.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Somebody did Uber eats and they got like some Starbucks delivered,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: but it came to our house. So I was like, okay,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: well this is an ours. So I went to the
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: house next door, door to door delivering in coffee and
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: so one person I knew they were in there, but
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't come to the door. And then I go
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: to the other house and she did come to the door,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: but she cracked it open a little bit. She was
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: so suspicious and she was like, what are you doing? What?
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: What?
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: What is it? Yeah, this came this is this yours?
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: A cat delivered It's not ours. No, it's not mine.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Closed the door. It's like, yeah, I
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: That is a West Coast thing, man, that's weird. There
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: was a kid that was like an elder teenage kid
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: maybe early you know, I don't know, like late teens,
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: early twenties. That's where I'm going.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: LDS elder Matthew Elders button up time. He was selling
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: some bullshit. It was a book.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: This kid went to my house and I pull up
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: my car and he's standing in front of my door
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: in the doorbell and I was running errand or something
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: like that. Everybody's at school, and so I come walking
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: up to my door and I'm like, hey, can I
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: help you? And he's like, oh, yeah, I'm here to
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: see so and so. And I'm like, yeah, he don't
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: live here, and he goes, no, he does, I'm here
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: to see him, and I'm like, yeah, you need to
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: get the fuck out of my house, buddy, Like you're
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: whoever you're looking for does not live here, and like I.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Just snapped into like nobody.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: I don't think any of you have ever met Angry Jim,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: but Angry Jim does exist, and he shows up when
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: you try to talk to that and I don't want to.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: He's not as scary as you're describing. No, no, no,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: it's no, we're grading on the gym scale. To be clear.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I gave him money. I gave him money. I exactly
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: as my little apron thing. He says that Karen made
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: me he's a coward. Yeah, he will give you money
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: to get rid of you. That's one. But I'm like
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: yell at this kid.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: And I felt bad afterward because he was like, you know,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: he tried to shake my hand because he was like
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: he could tell that.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: I was like, piss off, Like what are you doing here? Kid?
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Whoever you're looking for isn't here, And he was like, oh,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: And he's like an older teenage and he goes like,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: let me.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Start over, and he's like trying to shake my hand.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: You know, It's like Hi, my name's Matthew. And I'm like,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: I don't care leave, but that is a West Coast
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: thing because like if you're on our property, like what
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: the fuck if you're not here to deliver Amazon packages
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: or serve me a subpoena piss off?
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Like I don't need to hear about Jesus or the
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: time of the time. Ata I know what you're about,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Like it's great.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Ring has ruined religion, possilization, evangelism is an all time
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: loss ring door.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Nobody answered that would cast.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: So much anxiety, though I hear this writer like you
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: can't go in your own space like that you've paid
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: for because yeah, you're just stressed, and I don't know.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: I would say, maybe find like a parker somewhere to
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: go when the days are nice, Like it sucks that
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: you can't go in your yard.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: But I mean, here's the other thing you could do, is,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: as you're looking for places to live, if you can
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: get a house where you only have neighbors on one
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: side or oh like the end of the call to
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: sack something like that, or like all the sacks are magical. Yeah, yeah,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: the house that I had in Iowa, it backed up
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: to a state park. Oh, so, like we had an
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: acre of land and then at the very back edge
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: of our yard there was like a trail that went
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: down Oh my gosh, then it went into the state park.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: And so like we had we had neighbors on both sides,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: and we were kind of like we're on the edge
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: of the call to sack. But yeah, I mean like
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: something like that at least it limits it, you know,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: so you know, like you don't have them surrounding you. Yeah,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: all I can do is validate what you're going through, right,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I'm just on your team. Yeah, Like, I just I
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: agree with everything. Like the sound.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: The sound thing doesn't annoy me as much, and I
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: think that that's just a product of I don't know,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: growing up in apartments as a kid and stuff like
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: I just I got used to it, like sound on everything.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Peter like dead silence because he was out in the
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: country where there's dead silence, and I'm like, I need
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: I need the sound machine or noise like yeah, so that.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Kind of stuff, I think I can kind of zone out,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: like kids screaming, dogs barking like that when people let
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: their dog out like early in the morning and the
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: dog just decides to like lose their ship at birds,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: and it's like, now we all get to wake up
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: to that.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: That sucks. Yeah, the dog barking doesn't even phase me.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Dogs barking outside. No really.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: I had a neighbor who she worked from home, was
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: teaching teachers, so she'd be on teaching calls and the
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: neighbor's dog like like back there like.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: That, like okay, we're facturing and like working from home.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a different thing. That's rough because then yeah,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: because then it's like, Okay, this is my professional environment
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: and now I've got shit happening, and like, yeah, you
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: can do things, you can close the windows or whatnot,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: you know, but then you know then but again that.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: The worst thing a neighbor ever did. I was it
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: was during the pandemic. I just started telehealth. I was
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: in the middle of a long therapy and this guy
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: decided to entertain his grandson by letting like putting the
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: grandson in his lap and driving around the neighborhood and
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: letting the grandson just have at the fucking horn. Oh
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: my gosh, just driving around our block over and over again.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: This kid, I mean, that is excessive. On the other hand,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: you're bringing like a professional work environment into a non
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: professional area.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: So I mean, like there is but like just leaning
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: on the around the neighborhoods on the main streets. You
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: never passed the same house twice.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, but like you get one maybe two rounds
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: of that.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: He's just going in a square And I was like,
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: fuck this guy anyway, writer, that's my Every time he
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: drove by, just gave him the finger.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: I ended up going outside and confronting him because.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Like, this has to stop. Murdered his grandson. I'm sorry,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: but this is happening.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: I was going to say really quick too. Something I
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: hear I hear of from people who have children is
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: that they don't mind so much their own kids yelling.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Right, I don't know the people out their own kids.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: They don't they when people try and tell you, oh,
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: you're gonna like you will pass.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: Notes to each other, they're not allowed to speak.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: Well, that's another presence they text an option, yeah.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Not having it.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: It's a tough one, writer. I mean, I relate to
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: the idea of not wanting to deal with the other neighbors.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: I think there's something wrong with that. Trying to create
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: a life of seclusion is tough. Join a monastery.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Well, and I guess this is kind of the thing too,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: is like you kind of unfortunately, like that's kind of
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: what you get. Yeah, Like the only real solution to
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: this is a cabin and like western Montana, Yeah, you know.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Or motion activated sprinklers with long range motion activated sprinklers
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: into the neighbor's.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Yard with warranty to keep everyone quiet.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: I guess I don't know that summertime, yeah, exactly, just
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: playing in it.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Damn it.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: It's pissed, but it's nice and cool. Piss somebody put
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: that quote in the discord please.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: One of the one of the gems of the discord
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: is the out of context quotes. Channel is glorious my
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: favorite place anyway, writer, good luck with that ship.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break, and we helped it all.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: No, this is not the first pick that we didn't
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: do anything but help.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: The moment was the end of the answer. We just
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: continued on for some fun. We're gonna take a quick break,
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: and when we come back, we're talking about sensory overload.
• 57:37
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Wait? Are they?
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Are they sheep testicles? Can only pick one? I'll go
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: bull testicles?
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: I feel right correct? Yes, I was going to get
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: sheep testicles. I know my testicles. That's true. That's true.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: He stress eats those things he got? Waitney, how do
• 58:43
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• 58:47
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  Speaker 3: I'm an expert.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, Which country enjoys Century eggs? Preserved eggs known for
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: their strong flavor and gelatinous texture, often eaten as comfort
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: food during stressful times.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, I feel like I've heard of these options. I
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: need options.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, we're looking for a region or a country. China Vietnam,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Thailand or Indonesia. Oh my gosh, oh.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Wow, they're called century egg You know that one hundred years.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: Do you think that's that's the that's the deal. Yeah,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: one hundred I mean that's what they say.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna guess Indonesia.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: I think it's Vietnam. I think it's Thailand. Are you
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: sure you're not?
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: Final answer?
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: It's your question.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: I'm guessing Indonesia because I feel like Peter ate some
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: of those were there.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: He may have, but he didn't. China.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Ah, it's just China, China, chese and they're expired eggs.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Jim in Greenland?
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Where's Greenland next to Iceland?
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Wo? I mean sure, I know it's like he's wrong.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Thank you? Two points and nope, nope.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the whole question.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: I finished it and I took it off the fly.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: It doesn't get credit. You should know all. I'll give
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: you five hundred points if you can tell me the
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: direction or is Greenland north of Iceland, south of Iceland,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: east of Iceland west of Iceland.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: So I have a twenty five percent shot at five
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: hundred points fucking a cotton Iceland. But if you lose,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: you just gotta nut tap you Jesus Christ, not like
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: super aggressive.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: But again, I'll use my left hand.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: The risk board, my ring finger. I feel like on
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: the risk board Iceland was in between England and Greenland
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: because it was smaller or was it big?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Fuck?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: And I can only pick one cardinal direction. It's not
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: like northwest and east.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: You can pick multiple. Well, but that doesn't help me.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: That decreases my odds. So but you know it's one
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: of them, it's one of the four cardinals.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: I know the answer.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Well, you gave me the four cardinal directions as options
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: to be a dickhead thing if that wasn't correct.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: And I would never be a dickhead Nick, look at
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: that face.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: He would never give me.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: West.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: So I believe that Iceland is to the east of Greenland.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: I think Greenland is to the west of Iceland. So
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: Greenland is I think Greenland is precisely to the north
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: west of Iceland.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: It is north, it is west, it is east, and
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: it is south. Oh, shoot questions with the thing all right?
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: In Greenland, people can like how Alaska is also the
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: eastern most point to the United States.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just angry and green Lin people consume kivak, a
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: traditional winter food made by fermenting which bird in which
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: bird inside a seal skin for several months.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: My god, is this that one that is like considered
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: offensive to gods? So people eat it with never mind, woodpeckers,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: penis faces, greenlines. So pick a tropical bird, yeah, yeah,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: the cad alright, So give me options puffins, seagulls, ox
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: a u k s I'm not sure, or penguins. Well,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: it can't be penguins. Why not because penguins, Uh, you
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: shouldn't do that either, truggles seem everywhere. That probably seems logical.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: And then I've never heard of an oc, so I
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: won't even try. Give me puffins, no, god, damnit ox.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: Really definitely, I need to see a picture of this ox.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, show me a big type in big fat ox
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: and seferably brown one.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: I still have pictures of my deck up here.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then click. I'm feeling lucky.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Penguinish.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: That's a great a uk a uk Okay, that's not
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: just a regular. That's a great one.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, a lot like Auckland. All right.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Five hundred points. The gym sensory overload by anonymous Hey
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: gang I'm currently dealing with a problem that I don't
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: recall you covering on the show before. I have trouble
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: processing sensory information like sound, light, and visual movement, especially
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: when I'm trying to work or relax. Most recently, this
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: has been happening due to the inconsiderate choices of my
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: next door neighbor. When my neighbor's music has turned up,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: I can hear base thumping everywhere in my home, which
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: has lately been happening most days for hours at a time.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: I can't think about anything else. The noise makes me
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: feel frustration, rage, and powerlessness. I can mostly mask it
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: out with noise canceling headphones, but the low pitched noise
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: cuts through white noise generators and music, and it feels
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: wrong to have to wear headphones so often in my
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: own home. It feels invasive and unfair. And yes, I've
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: tried clear communication as well as complaining to the each
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: away and local authorities, with limited results.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: We have two neighbor questions in a row.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Wow, who organizes our scripts? That person's an idiot?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: I suck.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: Moving away is something that probably wouldn't happen for the
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: next couple of years. Though I do fantasize about moving
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: to a cabin in the middle of a forest.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: That sounds nice.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: Instead, since I know that I can't really control other people,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: what I'm mainly focused on for this question is my
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: response to the situation and any insight you can provide
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: for sense reprocessing issues. As I've reflected on this situation
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: over the past few months, I've realized that although I'm
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: being set off by this neighbor's choices in the present day,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: sensory sensitivity has always been a part of my life,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: and I mean always. When I was a very young child,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: I hated being driven on the freeway because of the noise,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: and I had to wear huge industrial earmuffs when we
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: would go to firework shows, which in hindlight did look
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: adorable on a preschooler. I also remember being in the
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: early part of my office work career and asking my
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: boss to tell me about the daily meeting schedule in
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: advance so I could plan to get work done when
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: it was quiet, rather than trying to work while a
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: meeting was going on and needing to cover it up
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: with my own music, which was also distracting. In fact,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: the main reason I chose to go into an intense
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: career that requires all of my brain power. Was that
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: I never again wanted to live in an apartment where
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: I could hear other people's footsteps on my ceiling.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: Fuck, I've been through that.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: It sucks, which is part of why I feel so
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: dismayed that I can't even escape other people's noise in
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: the detached house I live in now. The second reason,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: of course, is so I could afford to be a
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: patron of shows like Yours Wink, Good Job, Smart, Double
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: your Money, and moved to a smaller house. It's usually
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: not a problem when I'm out in public, unless I'm
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: trying to focus on something. The most hilarious and ironic
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: example of this happened a couple months ago when I
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: was in the waiting room.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: At my doctor's office.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: I was emotionally in a really bad place because of
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: the neighbor situation, and when I was trying to fill
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: out the depression screening questionnaire, two other people sat down
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: in the small waiting room and started having a conversation.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: I could not fill out a single item on the
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: form until they got called back for their appointment and
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: it got quiet again. I did talk to my doctor
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: about my situation, and even though my symptoms are closer
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: to anxiety and depression, she agreed to put me on
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: an SSRI. Folks, my eight dollars copay is probably the
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: best money I've spent in my life. In the past,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: I stayed away from antidepressants because I was afraid of
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: messing with my brain and potentially making it worse. But
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: because of hearing from you on the show about how
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: SSRIs are so gentle that they're basically the equivalent of
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: tile and all, I was willing to ask for them.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Other people's noise still really bothers me when it's happening,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: but I don't ruminate on it at all at other times,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: and it's so much easier to recognize and stop negative thoughts, spirals,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: and cognitive distortions. It seems like low level anxiety and
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: depression have been bogging me down for years, because now
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: I feel so much more capable, confident, and willing to
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: try new things without the fear of failure voice eating
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: away at me on the inside. I still want to
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: get professional help for my sensory sensitivity issues. Honestly, part
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: of the reason I'm writing into you is not just
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: to get advice, but also to organize my thoughts for
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: when I do get to share with my own therapist.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: My EAP at work is not making it easy. Just
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: like everything else related to insurance, their mission in life
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: is to provide as few services as they can get
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: away with. Is there a particular speciality I should seek
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: out or would in any general license therapist be able
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: to help. I also brought up autism screening to my doctor,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: since I've heard that sensory issues are common in autism,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: and I was part of the generation where only boys
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  Speaker 2: got autism, So despite having social issues growing up in
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: intense specific interests, I was never screened as a child.
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  Speaker 2: But getting it done today as an adult would cost
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  Speaker 2: thousands of dollars, and it's not even clear what benefit
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  Speaker 2: any official diagnosis would bring. My therapist would be would
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  Speaker 2: be to would be to just assume I have autism
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  Speaker 2: or some other sensory disorder so I could try off
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  Speaker 2: the tools and techniques that are recommended for people with
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: these issues. So what do you all recommend? I'm eager
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: to hear your thoughts. Thanks Anonymous. Any pronouns are fine.
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  Speaker 1: This seems like a great mix of both our first
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: and second question. What a great organization.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: Our curator of scrips remind Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, let's don't make me bring up the episode
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: in which I wasn't here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, the
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: fucking nobody remembers, so fine.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't recall.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: I can write lost. Oh it was funny.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, what insurance do you have that has
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: an eight dollar copay? And I love that you sought help.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: I like that there was a positive in this question
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: that was kind of cool, like, hey, this medication.
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  Speaker 2: I accidentally stumbled upon something that really helped something I
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: didn't realize I had chronically and long term.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I was kind of surprised that the SSR
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  Speaker 1: I would help with sensory I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know that they said it's a one to one help.
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  Speaker 2: I think they noticed it's deadened my anxiety and depression.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like it. Just yeah, was also there.
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  Speaker 3: It turned out, yeah, which sometimes you know ADHD In
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: my opinion, ADHD anxiety trauma. They can be showing similar symptoms.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and emotional sensitivity is assisted by a SSRIs.
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  Speaker 2: That's true, there's a better regulation with SSRIs.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I love that you found something that helped
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  Speaker 3: with part of that as far as just assuming I
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: know we kind of said this earlier today, but just
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: to maybe assume you have autism and go seek out
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  Speaker 3: what's been helpful, like join some of those communities and
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: see what other people are doing. I feel like I
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: read something recently because I had a client who was
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: debating whether or not they wanted to get tested for
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: autism because they had said they were tested when they
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: were young, but their parents had like lost the paperwork.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: They actually from another country, and so it's like they
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: were struggling with that because it felt they felt very
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: validated once they learned when they were an adult their
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: parents told them like they had gotten this testing and
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: so it felt very validating to them, and not having
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: that paperwork proof was like leaving them feeling pretty insecure.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: But they talked about how seeking out testing can be
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: really difficult. We talked about the cost of it, all
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: those things that this writer mentions, and really, at the
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: end of the day, what is the point what are
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: you wanting from that? And so if you aren't going
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: to get like help in school, or like assistance made
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: in different areas, or I don't even know that you
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: can get assistance at work in any ways, like having
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: a sensory deprivation area like at your work. I mean
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: that would be great, but I don't think we're that
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: far yet. Yeah, what would be the point other than
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: to help you cope with like daily life? So yeah,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: I mean joining communities that talk about those things could
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: be really helpful, especially maybe like high functioning autism, if
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: you're already kind of functioning in life, it just feels
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: like you're having sensory issues or some of those some
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: of those experiences that they might be having.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, autism does relate to this. I think there's a
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: lot of folks that deal with autism that notice sensory overload.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: Veriab Well and ADHD, Like you know, I remember my
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: younger brother is like textbook ADHD, the hyperactive, impulsive kind.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: And I remember his clothes always felt weird when he
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: was a kid, Like the socks weren't right, Like just
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: all the little things that you're welcome, like.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: My feet are really sensitive, Like there's some sort of
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: like sheets and stuff, like I have to sleep with
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: socks on because like it just bothers.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: It just it feels like it feels like they have
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: to be argyle socks.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: As soon as the color, it feels like nails on
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: a chalkboard. Oh really Yeah, I get that sensation on
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: my feet, like my whole body. If like the sheets are.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, if they don't feel right, Yeah, I'm kind of
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: with you on that though. There's some weird sheets. Like
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: you go to some hotels and you're like, hotel.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, some are great, some are great, but there's some.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but I just.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Are you Are you sound sensitive at all?
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: That's me? Are you sound so?
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: I mentioned the noisemaker thing that in the morning it
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: went the noisemakers for sleep. But in the morning, once
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: I'm up, if there's any like background hum, it will
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: drive me insane. Peter doesn't even hear. He's like, what
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: it's relaxing. I like and like, turn it off, turn
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: turn the noise maker off or whatever it is it's
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: buzzing or whatever the noise there it is.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So first off, I'll tell you right now.
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  Speaker 2: Nick doesn't give a ship because for years on the
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: show he would decide when we hit record to like
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: eat the crunchiest shut up.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: Years.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: It was so bad. It was not that it was one.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: It was like two weeks ago, like you do this
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: all the time.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: It was when.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: When dude, it's remembers it like it was yesterday.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: Apparently I'm haunted by it. I just I am very
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: sounds to the writer, just a quick note on this.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: Look up missophonia. So, misslephonia is this audiological reality where
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: you are hyper sensitive to all sorts of noise, lipsmacking,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: like just any any sounds that just and it causes
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: an emotional reaction and it's really hard to let go of.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: And it is the sense of sensitivity. Oh there it
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: is you hear that, Jesus.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: It is brain, my brain, and the.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: Misophonics have all.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: Left no any constant noise like that. I don't even
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: mind the smacking or crunching. Those things don't bother me.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: Oh that, Oh god, I have a sound generator on
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: my phone.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Do you really? Oh that's terrible.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: It reminds me of the hearing test I just took
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: with my ear pods.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all all of this is terrible. Oh my god,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: I can't handle it so like noises outside, barking dogs,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: right lights.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: I'm get en raged driving past the strip at night.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Oh my gosh, those signs. Why are they
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: so fucking bright? They don't need to be that nice.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: She's absolutely right, is a night. I thought, Bay and
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: Resorts World, Why sum people know?
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: The stadium just added to it. I was like, this
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: is some bia.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: You know, we don't know why these kids wear their
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: pants so exactly. No, yeah, get a belt and get
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: off my lawn, get off my rocks. Having your boy
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: girl makeout parties with.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: Hot No, I'm with you one hundred. That is an
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: annoying As we drove down dark roads, yes, they were
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: unsafely dark.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: So stupid, it's unsafely illuminated. You see these from space.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: I was like, how is this safe?
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: I'm like blinded, I spot their spots.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's awful.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: I can't drive a night anymore.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: Mizzo phone, Yeah, that's why look it up.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: Misophonia. So people with misophonia have a sensitivity to sound
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: and it is emotional. It's distressing, it causes anxiety. It's
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: a lot of emotional discomfort. And it's interesting because the
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: way we treat misophonia there's multiple things. But actually I'm
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: a big fan of tagging in our audiology component on this.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: So audiologists don't get a lot of shout outs on
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: pod therapy.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: I've never heard of them.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: But audiology I think has something to offer here, and
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: I think that that's actually an area that you ultimately
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: get referred to. And it's interesting because it was not
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: like a particular medication. Though mood regulators like SSRIs that
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: are going to dampen things like a reaction and sense
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: of irritation, they do have.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: Value to this.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: But I'm curious what our audiology might offer. I've never
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: heard what their solutions are. I don't know if there's
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: some kind of like I mean, obviously they're going to
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: talk about things like sound dampeners and stuff with writers
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: already using, but I don't know. I mean, I'm curious
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: because sometimes I think they can test for hyper sensitivities,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: Like there's another disorder called like hyper oculus or something
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: like that, and it is actually a diagnosis of having
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: hyper sensitivity to sound. It's just you're hearing is so
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: powerful that what to the rest of us is a
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: normal thing to you as a shout, and so your
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: reaction might be misaphonic, but it also might be hyperoculate,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: which is like you're picking this up at like a
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: higher decibel than the rest of us, and that's why
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: it's so distracting and unnerving. So I'm always curious if
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: an audiologist has something to offer in cases like this.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not super familiar with the treatment protocols to like
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: psychologically addressed miss aphonia. I wonder what those would look at.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's probably some therapists that specialize in that,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: but not rarely. I mean, if you're looking for I
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: mean you're talking about, you know, like where should I
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: get help or you know, how what should the therapist
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: focus on? I think just find yourself a therapist, and
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: this is probably going to be a multidisciplinary approach where
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: your therapist is kind of communicating with your doctor who
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: maybe might have a referral to a whatever the hell. Yeah,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: there's probably going to be I mean to really and
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: this is the other thing too, Like, you know, if
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: you're at a point in your life right now where
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: like you can deal with it and you've got some
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: coping skills to coexist with it, maybe that's kind of
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: your solution. You know, how deep you want to go
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: into this, I guess you know that that's you know,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: going to be uh, probably involving your your therapist, your doctor,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: and getting some referrals to some really highly technical, highly
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: specialized I.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: Think it will be specialized. I think that there's things
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: that we can get to like mindfulness, like the ability
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: to absorb any kind of kind of distressing signal that
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: we're gettingcause sometimes those are emotional, sometimes those are psychosomatic.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: You know, we have patients that that are having some
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: kind of psychosoma, some kind of pain in the body, irritation,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: And I think that there is the ability to sort
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: of allow for the thing to exist and to monitor
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: our our emotional reaction to it, because the sensitivity to
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: the stimuli is what an audiologist can help with, whereas
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: I think a therapist is going to be really curious
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: about the way we are reacting internally, and can we
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: get that up to a mindfulness level. Can we bring
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: that to the conscious and can we start to get
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: your body and mind and sync to where you're noticing
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: this is the signal I'm hearing in my brain, this
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: is my reaction to this, this is the emotion I'm
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: having as a reaction to that stimuli, And can I
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: get to a place where I non judgmentally perceive the
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: stimuli without a sharp reaction to it, and there's gonna
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: be some erp to that. I think there's gonna be
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: some exposure and reprocessing that goes along with that. But
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: I also would think a mindfulness technique could be really
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: useful here too.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would definitely try and find somebody who kind
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: of maybe not specializes, but lists that and want to
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: art something along those lines in there, you know, summary
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: or whatever of what they say they were.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know you also you're you're talking about
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: home improvements. I think as part of this two places
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: you can rest and as we talked about earlier. You know,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: a big brown deck but you want to abbreviate it
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: when you google it, you know, and just videos I
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: think is great. That way you can learn how to
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: install them BBD BBC is that now?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: How do you spell deck? Yeah? Never mind BBD.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: I still thought it would lead you to the right place.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: I got there. I got there all the brown cabin
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: in the woods videos.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: Uncensoreds are meant to be like kind of surface low
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: in my opinion. You know, I'm not speaking for all EAPs,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: but I feel like they're just there to help you
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: deal with stressors and quick.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: Disclaimer, What are EAPs for the audience that.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: Doesn't employment assistance program?
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like digging around my memories there. Yeah, like,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: since I take insurance, that is an option, you know,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: I have signed up to take certain EAPs, but gosh, yeah.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: Their goal is like a few sessions, like six to nine,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: maybe ten if you're lucky, and they're kind of helping
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: you manage like work. Yeah, the impression. They won't say that,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: but they're just like, oh, yeah, have you tried this?
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: Have you tried meditation?
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: The pre authorizations are usually not too burdensome. Right with
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: the aps, they're pretty quick to be like, sure, go
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: for it. Yeah, you have these no questions, ask exactly,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: don't care what the diagnosis is. Max out your benefit,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: but it is limited. You get X number of sessions
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: and then we're done, right, and if you want authorization
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: after that, you're going through the.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: Insurance right and so yeah, my experience is friends of
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: mine that accept EAPs. The goal really is kind of like,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: all right, I've got you in the door. If there's
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: something bigger here that you're trying to utilize your free
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: EAP sessions, fine, we can like dive into some of that,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: but really we would probably need to meet longer. You know,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: we'd have to go through insurance depending on what your
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: insurance is, and I'm an approve provider, then we could
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: look at diving more into that further. But EPs are
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: kind of tough because they're so short lived. It makes
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: you hard as a therapist to want to dive in
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: deeper because you're like, you may not be able to
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: afford your copay. You may not you're deductible if it's high,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: and you're paying like one hundred percent until you're deductibles met.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a mess.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: Then Yeah, I'm glad you're using it, though, writer, and
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: I'm glad that you're starting to try to incorporate this
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: into it. And as we've all kind of mentioned, there's
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: not a very obvious book that we would all reach
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: for and say, oh, this is how you treat this.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: But I do think it's adjacent to other things that
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: have to do with stimuli sensitivities, like psychosomatic treatments and
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: the things that we do for mindfulness that have to
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: do with all sorts of more cognitive experiences that people
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: are provoked by, and so I do think there's value
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: to that, but it's it's so unique, right because we're
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: talking about one of your five senses. We're talking about
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: being hyper attuned and for you to like be affected
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: by that, and I don't know, Like I'm always curious
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: if audiology has anything to offer on that, So that
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: might be worth looking.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: That's an interest route to you already talking.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: Your primary about it.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: If you you talked to your primary and they're giving
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: you SSRIs for this, you can come back and say,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: I was wondering about getting in your test. Yeah, and
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: they might say, oh, yeah, that's easy. You know, that's
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: not expensive. Like you go to an Alady Audio Audio Audio,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: go to your local audi deal together and type in
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: pot therapy answer. That's how you get the money. Anyway,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: that's right, Thank you for your question. Feel free and
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