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The Mysteries of Gunung Padang with Dr. Danny Hilman · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see somethings going to happen?
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  Speaker 2: What What's gonna happen?
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  Speaker 3: What A.
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  Speaker 1: All?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Well, welcome to the occult Rejects in this episode.
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  Speaker 2: I got a bunch of us together and maybe some
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  Speaker 2: more joining us. I don't know, maybe they're just not
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  Speaker 2: showing up, who knows. But uh, before we get to
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  Speaker 2: our guest, we got Danny Hillman joining us tonight. Is
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  Speaker 2: somebody I saw at the Cosmic Summit and I saw
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  Speaker 2: put on a great lecture, so I'm extremely excited to
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  Speaker 2: have him on. But before we introduced Danny, we'll introduce
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  Speaker 2: the other rejects.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, before we get going, we got Brooke. What is
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  Speaker 2: going on? Brook? From Dark Florida?
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  Speaker 3: Hi, thank you for having me. I'm excited for tonight's conversation.
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  Speaker 2: And we got Ricardo what is going on?
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  Speaker 1: So?
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  Speaker 2: How are you?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 5: Thank you? I'm doing fine. Thank you.
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  Speaker 6: So my tag at X is just as you see
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  Speaker 6: want to plug in my books, so start us for
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  Speaker 6: the Resonance Earth, and thank you very much for having me.
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  Speaker 6: I'm very excited to listen about Gunung Padang, which this
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  Speaker 6: is one of the places that I have I'm very
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  Speaker 6: curious about.
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  Speaker 5: So excited.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. I was glad you were able to
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  Speaker 2: make it. I know it was a little late for you.
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  Speaker 2: If you would have been in Portugal, it would have
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  Speaker 2: been a horrible hour. But since you're over in Canada
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  Speaker 2: worked out. I was very happy you could join us, sir,
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  Speaker 2: because I think this is right up your here you too,
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  Speaker 2: and we got tyrone. What is going on, sir? How
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  Speaker 2: are you?
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  Speaker 7: What's up everybody? Hey, I'm ready for this discussion, right Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I met Danny out there Keswick sum. It was a
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  Speaker 7: very interesting meeting. I loved every moment that I got
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  Speaker 7: to spend with him and learn some things from him.
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  Speaker 7: So I'm actually very excited for this conversation. Everything that
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  Speaker 7: you can find about me is on my website, Rebirth
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  Speaker 7: Oftheword dot com. And I just started filming my documentary
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  Speaker 7: today which will be exclusively only on Rumbo, so I
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  Speaker 7: on there, so hey, I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 5: Nate, thanks everybody else.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, and thank you for joining us, and we
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  Speaker 2: got Ethan.
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  Speaker 4: What is going on, sir, solute and respect to everybody,
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  Speaker 4: this is going to be super interesting. Not only am
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  Speaker 4: I a participant, but I'm also a fan. I got
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  Speaker 4: Ricardo's book and Tyrone's book and my book. So I
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  Speaker 4: usual suspects on all the social media and always an
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  Speaker 4: honored to be here with the gust.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Jenny, thank you for joining us. Eason, I always
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  Speaker 2: appreciate when you can make it. And finally to the
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  Speaker 2: guest Danny Hillman, what is going on, sir? Thank you
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  Speaker 2: very much for joining us, and please let everybody know
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  Speaker 2: you know who you are, what you deal is where
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  Speaker 2: they can find all your amazing research.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thanks for inviting me. Hello everyone,
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  Speaker 1: it's in the morning near Jakarta in Banda, West Java.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking for Innunesian research and innovative institutes in Indonesia.
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  Speaker 1: Really it's but then we said that Ina Naciona and
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  Speaker 1: I'm also the member of the Innocent Academy of Science.
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  Speaker 1: My major is in a geology earthquake theology. Actually my majors.
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  Speaker 1: I studied earthquakes and tsunami for tens of years, but
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  Speaker 1: since like twenty eleven, I'm starting the project in archaeogeology
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  Speaker 1: or geoarchaeology, and my my main subject is So the
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  Speaker 1: thing is, I'm applying all the my my geological methods
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  Speaker 1: to like scanning the heritage, anciente heritage. So it's called
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  Speaker 1: the geoarchaeology or archaeo or Matthia or whatever. So it's
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  Speaker 1: very exciting because this field is very challenging in Indonesia.
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  Speaker 1: I think I will be the first geologies that enter
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  Speaker 1: this field as well as the earthquake. Actually I developed
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  Speaker 1: earthquake science in Indonesia like since the beginning, and I
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  Speaker 1: get used to people saying like rejecting a weird thing
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  Speaker 1: because it's like new things stuff like that. So that's it.
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  Speaker 1: So I've been searching for like ten years, more than
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  Speaker 1: ten years, I think it's like fourteen years.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, So this is definitely a passion figure at
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  Speaker 2: this point. What was it that got you? I mean
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  Speaker 2: what was it that got you interested? I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: could see why it would interest you, but like, what
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  Speaker 2: was it that made this like a passion for.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I think I first interested in this ancient mystery
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  Speaker 1: lost ancient civilization, where its issue about the Atlantis. There's
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  Speaker 1: a book talking about the Atlantis is in Indonesia by
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  Speaker 1: what's your name, Santas? Are you a Santa's professor? Are
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  Speaker 1: you Santas from Brazil? His is that Atlantis is in Indonesia.
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  Speaker 1: It's called the Sundaland in the Ice Age. Sundaland is
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  Speaker 1: a big land connecting the Sumatra island now with the Java,
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  Speaker 1: with the Talimantan or Borneo, and it's connected to the
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  Speaker 1: Asia Malaysian peninsula Laos Cambodia. So in the Ice Age
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  Speaker 1: is a big land mass. So he thought that the
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  Speaker 1: description of the Sundaland in the Ice Age just exactly
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  Speaker 1: like the scriptures of the Atlantis in the Plato's manuscript.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I interested first with the anciente mystery. There
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  Speaker 1: are lots of issue of go to the Atlantish discussion,
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  Speaker 1: controversial Atlantish in mid you know, mid Atlantic, in Spanish,
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  Speaker 1: in whatever. So I read the Patter's manuscript and I
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  Speaker 1: think I found the Buttter's manuscript is amazing. It's well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the Atlantis in the academic science is like
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  Speaker 1: they don't live it. You know, it's a it's a fantasy.
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  Speaker 1: But when I read the manuscript, I found it's very serious,
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  Speaker 1: it's very interesting. And yeah, so that's how I was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, interested in the engine mystery, and I you know,
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  Speaker 1: start thing to search for heritage in Indonesia and some
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  Speaker 1: at that time in twenty eleven, I study I'm still
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  Speaker 1: studying the earthquake. So I studied the active faults in
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  Speaker 1: the West Gavard that's near and I have the high
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  Speaker 1: reserlution topography that down that area. So that's how I've
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  Speaker 1: found because the Padang landscape it's like different from the
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  Speaker 1: surrounding landscape. This running landscape is the it's an odd
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  Speaker 1: landscape and very eroded the all vol characterrain stuff, but
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  Speaker 1: it's looked different because it's locally young, un eroded stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So that's how I first got interested in Padan. And
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  Speaker 1: then I come to the uh to this dismount and
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  Speaker 1: I found the megalethic sites in the top of the
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  Speaker 1: hill and at that time because I'm doing a geological
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  Speaker 1: suit face, so I got lots you know, the the
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  Speaker 1: equipments like rather are the other things. So so i'm
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm just trying to found what inside it
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  Speaker 1: and just experimenting on it. And what I found is like,
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  Speaker 1: looks very interesting. You know that That's how I first
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  Speaker 1: study pretty much. So it's it's very you know, because
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  Speaker 1: I studied that area. But that's great.
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  Speaker 6: And then from from my perception, uh today is built
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  Speaker 6: on top of a fault line right exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Over No no, no, no, the fault line, yeah, the major
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  Speaker 1: fault line is like a few kilometers to the north,
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  Speaker 1: not exactly on the fault line.
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  Speaker 5: Now, okay, but but there are a lot of tubes.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure there are a lava tubes beneases or not.
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  Speaker 1: Love what you know.
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  Speaker 5: It's not related to Toba in any way.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Toba is very far away. I know, I know
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  Speaker 1: the Caldada moves.
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  Speaker 5: That's why I'm asking just curious, see.
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  Speaker 1: If the the active volcano near that area is it's
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  Speaker 1: called the pang NGOs, but it's like far away, like
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  Speaker 1: but fifticulometers maybe maybe less than that certicular metas. But
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  Speaker 1: the Godang is on the tertiary volcanic terrain like millions
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  Speaker 1: millions old volcanic trains, So it's an old volcanic trains,
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  Speaker 1: not the active one, and surrounding lots of intuition, the
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  Speaker 1: lava intuition and itself is the intuition. It's a lava intuision,
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  Speaker 1: but it has been covered by the man made layers. True.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I had the wrong impression that the possible underground
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  Speaker 6: areas were caused by movements of lava underground and then
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  Speaker 6: amplified by man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not really sure what I understand that the
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  Speaker 1: core of is the intuition is a lava intrilligion.
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  Speaker 5: So it's okay, okay, exactly, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so it's not the entire hill it's made. No, No,
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  Speaker 1: the core is still natural forcanic rocks.
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  Speaker 4: H So, as a geologist, Danny, is that the main
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  Speaker 4: distinction that you found.
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  Speaker 1: Being this this lava.
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  Speaker 4: Core and built on top of it or what what
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  Speaker 4: else did you find as the first geologist looking at it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? And so we have the corn really that the boaholes,
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  Speaker 1: we have the ground penetrying rudder, we have the seismic tomography.
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  Speaker 1: So so we know that the natural rock formation is
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  Speaker 1: inside the mountain it is like twenty to thirty meters deep,
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  Speaker 1: but on top of it is piles of the colnal rocks.
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  Speaker 1: And it's obvious that the colonal rock that's stacked on
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  Speaker 1: it is not a natural colnal rock formation. Obvious and
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  Speaker 1: what people you know most often misinterpret often misunderstood. That
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  Speaker 1: has three layers, right, we call it a unit one unit,
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  Speaker 1: two unit three unit to become the oldest layer. But
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  Speaker 1: all of the unit is exposed in the ground, so
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  Speaker 1: it's not inside the ground, but the exports in the
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  Speaker 1: ground also so we can observe in the ground surface.
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  Speaker 2: When you were starting to research this, was it because
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  Speaker 2: like you thought that maybe there was stuff that you know,
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  Speaker 2: wasn't looked into or off, or you thought maybe there
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  Speaker 2: was maybe incorrect or you just thought something like you know,
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  Speaker 2: a're gonna say where I'm getting at, like was there
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  Speaker 2: a what was it that you were like really specific
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  Speaker 2: on trying to trying to get into when you're sort
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  Speaker 2: of looking at this, like.
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  Speaker 1: Did you try to hang out of sights on top
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  Speaker 1: of the hill. It's very interesting. It's a if on
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  Speaker 1: the one that on the subface it's it's very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: So when you look into the under the mountain, it's
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  Speaker 1: like very regular symmetric, So of course we are curious
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  Speaker 1: and it doesn't look like natural to us. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: why not we you know, we investigated what's inside it.
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  Speaker 4: And then so do you have God, sorry, go ahead,
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  Speaker 4: I was going to say, if you might have, with
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  Speaker 4: your study of the area and maybe just the history
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  Speaker 4: that you might have inferred and learned, do you have
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  Speaker 4: a hypothesis of what you think might have taken place
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  Speaker 4: informed the area formed it?
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  Speaker 1: The hypothesis of Bud of its construction.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know of anything related to its construction.
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  Speaker 1: The hypothesis of the construction of I mean the man
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  Speaker 1: made construction of the geology.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I excuse me, yes, the man made construction.
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  Speaker 4: I was wondering if you if you just had a hypothesis,
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  Speaker 4: not that that is necessarily your goal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, my goal. It's not you know, hypothesising things, but
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  Speaker 1: really to find out the physical facts of it. So
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  Speaker 1: it's like the layers, what this is the layer, the
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  Speaker 1: geometry of the layers in the suppas also in the ground,
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  Speaker 1: and the ages in the dates of them, you know,
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  Speaker 1: So that's I think what we have to found the
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  Speaker 1: facts verse. Yeah, So from that then we know that
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  Speaker 1: the like Unit three, the oldest one that has been
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  Speaker 1: built more than sixteen thousand years ago, and it's very thick.
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  Speaker 1: It's like like ten meters sick, and it's consrusted by
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  Speaker 1: up like piling the rocks, and it's also has a
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  Speaker 1: chamber on it on the ground. So in short, this
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  Speaker 1: construction is not a primitive construction that advanced consrumction like pyramids.
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  Speaker 1: It's like now, so I think we we we know
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  Speaker 1: that build in the first place is the it's advanced
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  Speaker 1: structure to be able to do that. And the other
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  Speaker 1: interesting thing is the younger layer that you need to
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  Speaker 1: is built around eight thousand years ago. So the Unit one,
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  Speaker 1: the youngest is like three to four thousand years ago.
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  Speaker 1: So this is what interesting in just it's first built
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  Speaker 1: in the Ice Age and the second construction is after
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  Speaker 1: the Ice Age m on the bomb period. So it's
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  Speaker 1: like it's businessing the change of cultures of civilization. You know,
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  Speaker 1: if I'm if we met, say so.
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  Speaker 3: When you're talking about the construction of this, what types
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  Speaker 3: of stones were used and where were they sourced from?
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  Speaker 1: The stones? The mostly it's like columnar rocks. The columnar
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  Speaker 1: rocks that has been fund in nature when the magnetic
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  Speaker 1: the hot magnetic cool freeze under under certain temperature and pleasure. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And the source of the colonal rocks we don't know
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  Speaker 1: yet because we mapped the area, we couldn't found that
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  Speaker 1: kind of rocks in like in the radios of five
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  Speaker 1: kilometers the nearest the nearest columnal rocks are not all
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  Speaker 1: columnar drain rocks. Is about sixty kilometers to the west
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  Speaker 1: in the bas and like the hard kilometers to the east,
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  Speaker 1: so it is a bit far away. But we couldn't
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  Speaker 1: also found like the the mine, you know, the trace
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  Speaker 1: of the mining of that rocks. So we know we
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  Speaker 1: don't know still the of the rocks.
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  Speaker 7: Danny, I got a quick question. Have you talked to
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  Speaker 7: Graham Hancock about this? Because this I think this was
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  Speaker 7: actually on his show Ancient Hypothesis if I'm not mistaken.
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  Speaker 1: What was that show that he had.
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  Speaker 7: I can't remember exactly the name of the show that
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  Speaker 7: he had, but he had I believe he had that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Geneva got it. Yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Have they tested those rocks, you know for you know
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  Speaker 7: types of where they possibly came from and so on
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  Speaker 7: and so forth.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't really studied when the rocks came from, right,
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  Speaker 1: because we have to we can. We can do that,
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  Speaker 1: but we have to look on a similar rocks around
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  Speaker 1: that area, and then we have to uh to study
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  Speaker 1: the like mineological of the rocks and the chemistry and stuff. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they can't do that, but we haven't done that yet.
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  Speaker 1: You couldn't. We haven't found like a good candidates for
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  Speaker 1: the saucro Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What is it?
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  Speaker 6: Go ahead, go ahead, I'm just saying when I asked,
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  Speaker 6: is it possibly to come from a different island because
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  Speaker 6: you don't find it?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's just yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but in in the region in Java, we we
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  Speaker 1: can find like many in many places that kind of rock,
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  Speaker 1: so we we know they you just don't know which
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  Speaker 1: which place it is if we don't know which one.
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  Speaker 1: Oh good, I know.
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  Speaker 5: I understand it. I thought you didn't find.
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  Speaker 1: That rocks like a couple of a couple of hundred
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  Speaker 1: kilometers on the mountain. But it's in the jungles, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and the drops. It's not great, so it's not easy
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  Speaker 1: to fund the uh the rocks.
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  Speaker 2: Sorrow, thank you? Yeah, what's you know? It's like, what's
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  Speaker 2: some of the average size of these rocks? I mean
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  Speaker 2: like does this does this construction have like huge pieces
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  Speaker 2: where it's like that's impossible for us to move today?
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  Speaker 2: Is it like one of those.
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  Speaker 1: The every one could be several hundred kilograms, like of
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  Speaker 1: one hundred kilograms the big one, the smaller small six kilograms.
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  Speaker 1: So the diameters it could be like like the size
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  Speaker 1: maybe like fifteen sentimentals, but it could be like fifty
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  Speaker 1: sentimental in diameter even more so.
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  Speaker 2: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So in nature that total rock is like long,
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  Speaker 1: it's like in the Giant Coast game cos in Ireland,
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  Speaker 1: but in it has been like cut like one to
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  Speaker 1: one and half meter m and.
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  Speaker 5: It's used like lego lego, right, it's it's the stairs.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the break yeah, yeah, with the mortals in between,
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  Speaker 1: and almost all of them are all about the same
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  Speaker 1: like uniform size. Uh no, no, in one side. They
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  Speaker 1: should should be like different, like one small, one big,
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  Speaker 1: and there are many things that's like small to stuck
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  Speaker 1: in between to strengthen the structors.
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  Speaker 2: Gotcha. I did have somebody asking if you if you
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  Speaker 2: don't mind maybe going on the do you like to
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  Speaker 2: know more about the human construction age, layers.
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  Speaker 1: The edges, the dates. You're asking the dates after the layers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what are the dates on that again?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the dates of the youngest layer is like three
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  Speaker 1: to four thousand years old, so it's about one thousand
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  Speaker 1: to two thousand and BC. That's the youngest layer. The
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  Speaker 1: top layer, the second layer is seven thousand tipe hundred
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  Speaker 1: to eight thousand years old, so that's from the carbon dating.
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  Speaker 1: So we took the soils in between the rocks and
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  Speaker 1: also from on the unit two. You need two it's
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  Speaker 1: like sitting on the gravelly soils on the base, so
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  Speaker 1: we also took the carbons from that base fundation base.
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  Speaker 1: So that's how we did layers. And the third layer,
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  Speaker 1: the oldest one, the Unit three is it's very old,
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  Speaker 1: so we have several carbon dates indicating the as from
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  Speaker 1: sixteen thousand to twenty seven thousand, So we don't really
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  Speaker 1: know what the dates, but that is the interval of
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  Speaker 1: the dates.
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  Speaker 2: When you notice a change in the time, does it
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  Speaker 2: look like the structure is even different, like it looks
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  Speaker 2: like an ad on was made, or does it almost
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  Speaker 2: all look like it would like if someone told you
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  Speaker 2: that was all one piece made at the same time
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  Speaker 2: when it looked like it it doesn't look like your
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  Speaker 2: stuff was editors.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking about the startography. Like the unit three,
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  Speaker 1: you need to one, and it's exposed until now. It's
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: still exposed on the e slope of the good Patan,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: so it's very clear. So Unit three is very very
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: weather the road has been like valiated, ex valiated because
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: it's very odd. But the unit two on top of it,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: it's like moderately weathered pressure. The thick disiness of the
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: unit two is like uh, up to two to five
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: meters thick. So the the the look of that unit
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: of the layer is very different and the boundary also
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: is very sharp. What but interesting is that you need three,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: the oldest one on the on the deep. It's much
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: much that compared to the one that on top of it,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: which is like very clear. It's not natural because in
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: the natural formation, the deeper you go will be the fresher.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: You're going to the basement rock fresher because the weathering
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: is from the top to the deep.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: But this is like.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: The deeper is much better. That means you need three,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the oldest one. It has been exposed to the air
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: to the sun for very very long time, like thousands
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: of years before men constructed. You need to covering it. Yeah,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: so that's the logic of it, and you need one.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: The boundary between you need too and you need to
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: one is also very clear. You need to one. It
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: is just like modification after you need too. So before
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: before they constructed, you need to one. The buried you
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: need to buy soils is like a few tens of soils,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and then they they consruct that you need one layers
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the rock trush is on top of it, on top
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: of the soil, stuff like that, and also that you
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: need three. On one place we see that you need three.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Before they constructed, you need two. They bury it first
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: in one location. The field soil is very thick, is
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: three to eight meters thick, and it's a field soil,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: so it's not a natural weathering soil. It's a field soil.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: And then on top of it, then they consite you
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: need two and you need one. Stuff like that, and
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: that the buried soil. Also we date the date is
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: like ten thousand years old that the soils are burying
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: the unit three. So on that data we know exactly
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: that you need three. Should be older than ten thousand
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: years old.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so do you buy any chance to have any
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: diagram that you can see? Level one, level two, level three.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: So absolutely in my paper is all described very clearly
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: and very comprehensively, our paper that has been retracted fairly
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: unfairly by the publisher. No, I mean if you can
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: share it here for for for for us. Oh oh
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: can I do that? Yes?
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: Yes, you just press the share and you open the
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: document first and then press share it.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, where it's the share and I have to open
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: the document person then yeah, yeah, there's lots of coffee
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: on the rocks, but nobody has studied them carefully. Uh yeah.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: And also the.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: That's what we need.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: We need somebody to study them.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, gotta some copies, Danny, we'll take a look
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: at it.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, take some pictures for me.
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: So I could go ahead and try to give ahead
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: and see if I can get some people to work that,
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: because seriously, that that that lets me know, you know, right,
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: systems and picture pictographic script I always say, is a language.
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: It's no different than what we use today when we
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: use emojis trying to communicate among people. You know what
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: I'm saying the hand clappings, you know, the praying hands. Uh,
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: you know the smiley face. You know, you could you
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: interpret that based on the context that somebody's giving to you.
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: And sometimes you could look at that and be like,
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: this person is just being an asshole to me, you know,
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: because you know, some people's always laughing at something that
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: you type, or you know, doing some kind of emoji
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: like clapping hands, like what you're clapping for, well like
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: thumbs up?
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's that?
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: The passive aggressive type weight thumbs up?
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I hate That's why I brought it up.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I have a question, and this Ethan may have already
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: asked it, but when he asked earlier about what do
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: you hypothesize the site was used for? I know I
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: watched that Ancient Apocalypse episode two, and I think one
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: of the things they theorized on was the purpose behind
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: the site. Was it for ceremonial purposes or did it
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: have some greater astrological.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Alignment?
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I know some of the rooms were aligned perfectly for
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: the solstices and things like that. Have you come across
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: that in your studies?
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Asking I'm still looking on this side, I kinda I
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: don't know how to do this all right, I got.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Something popping up now? Is it looks like the YouTube screen? Unfortunately?
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we can you see it?
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, well look at that ye see it?
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, very but I couldn't see you. I see
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the screens. Okay, yes, you see right, that's on the
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: top of the hill over there.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: That's one. That's two to that's three. That's so when
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: you see in about it's like the key, like a
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: key shape over here, yeah, the key yeah. Interesting. Yeah.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: So this is a general like layout of the ground.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: So if you come to groom padang, you pack below
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: it and poke up like one hundred meter up and
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: this is we call the teas one over here, and
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: you will see this wall, the first wall rock wall,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: and this is unique one because the green one is
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: a unique one. That is the youngest unit and this
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: yellow one another wall. There's a different consumption. If you
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: come to it's very obvious. It's looks odder and the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: consuction is different. It's more advanced than the unit one
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: and the younger one. And basically this this yellow one,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: it's not stop here, but it goes underneath the soils.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: The uh, the brown one. So if you dig like
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: ten cent centimes. You will see this green one right, Okay,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: So here is well how it looks if we come
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: to tell us one. So the standing rocks and these
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: rock walls, it's you need to one that's the youngest
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Unit three two four thousand years old, but this wall
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: is the other one, that's the eight thousand years ago.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: So the consumtion this looks very different from see some
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Unit one. Yeah, and there's an altar over there and
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: we if we dig that, you will see also that's
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: you need two beneath it.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: So here we come to tell us too intan and
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: you will see this the floor of unit to tell
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Us two is you need to also, it's the other
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: rocks eight thousand years old. So yeah, so it's exposed.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: It's not all underneath the ground. Yes, if you look
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: about in tell Us two, you see this arrangement of
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the colonal rocks. It's part of Unit two, the eight
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: thousand years old unit, and it seems to be trunctated
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: over here, but we haven't really excapleted it. It will
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: be interesting to dig this eight because it seems it
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: seems to be the wall. Ok. Yeah, this is just
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: to illustrate our surface. It's very comprehensive. We use many
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: kinds of many methods. Yeah, and also we have this
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: uh borhole borhole data. We have like seven borholes, so
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: this show very clearly the statira the layers. So from
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: the top to the deeper and this red line here
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: that is a boundary between the man made construction and
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: the natural formation beneath it. You need four, So you
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: need four. It's a geological rock formation. The massive end
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: side stone it's a lava actually lava any side. So
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the depth to this top is like twenty meters here
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: and it's like thirteen meters upper here, thirty meters that
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: they fill in construction, so on top of this unit
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: toll is you need three, you need two, you need one,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: so they fill in with piters. All those thirty meters
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: are they covered.
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: So that's a huge undertaking.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: That's a huge Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's three. Yeah.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: The the mountain itself from the base it's like two
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: hundred meter and from the pathing lot it's like one
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: hundred meters, So it's a big mask.
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: So thirty meters for those that want in feet is
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: one hundred feet okay, so the highest.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, you see you see the
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: numbers is thirty meters per year. Yeah yeah. So this
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: is not one of the scan. Is this the registerity
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: tomography from east to west cross section of that tail.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: So you see these layers. So this this is the
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: inner core and this is the unit two. You need
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: three and that's you need too and you need to
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: run up out there. It's not a scan. This is
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: also a registivity scan. It's also very interesting. So to
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: make it simple, so this red, it's representing that that
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: lafa any side, but it's not all actually the lava
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: any set. It goes like that. So part of this
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: red is the main made structures, okay, and the geometry
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: of these rocks. It's very interesting. It's very interesting. It's
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: very regular. It's like a blade. I interpreted that way.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: It's like a blade and the west javad is uh
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: you know, it's the engine blade is called the Kujang
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Sudani's bagger. So I think it it looks like that.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: But interesting in beneath it is a blue one. This
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: is a water akifer. It's a butter is a big one.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: And we think also we interpreted there's some uh this
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: is is a natural akifer, I think, but I think
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: it has been modified, like the form of this, I
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: think it could be engineered. And if you come to
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: go down, there's a water spring over here. It's never
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: never empty, it's always waters on it, and people use
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: it a lot. It's a second water spring, they consider it.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: So I think this is what the spring has come
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: from inside over here through this some kind of So
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: there's water oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. When yeah,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: from here to here, it's like thirty meters when I
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: then we drill this when we real like eighteen meters,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: so eighteen metal is still over here. The water comes
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: from from below to our really, so that means this
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: water has a pressure pressurized outifer.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you and you determined that the water acroifer
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: was constructed in part.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Uh, this one, this one, I suspect that there's a
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: consucted this one. I think it's still natural, but this
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: one could be abstructing.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, with the spring.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Mhm uh.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: And this h theoretical constructed area might have to do
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: with the spring water might connect to the spring water, I.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Think, so, I think so, yeah, very interesting. Yeah, and
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: the child the charge of the water is also interesting. Well,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: it could come from the surface. There's a stream over here.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: But on we have many minute scans. There's also indication
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: possible the water salce that come from beneath this water keeper.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: So I think the water keeper played the significant part.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: It's a very important part of the sides.
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: I think, sure, where's what the.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Hey, Danny, let me ask you something.
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: Have you checked the past level of the water that's there,
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: because I know a lot of sacred water has a
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: certain level of pH and I just want to know
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: if you have.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, my friend who is your hydrologic has
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: has checked it. I think it's a seven.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what they say is the natural.
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: Happy medium for pH for I mean is seven yeah,
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: happy medium?
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I guess, m yeah, well yeah. And this one is
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: also regisativity on the surfay we're targeting the chamber bit.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: That's three D registivity automography. So you can see here
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: this the red one is a chamber beneath that high
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: wall between Taras one and Teras two. Very clear.
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: But do you see you see any connection between the
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: surface and the chamber or.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Not the surface to the chamber. Yeah, yeah, we see
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: the like a passage from like the west side. Yeah,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: but it's not really like come out of the ground
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: with like a few meters beneath the ground, so we
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: have to dig if you'd like to found that find. Sure, yeah,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: but it could.
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: Have been exposed, that's what I'm asking it when when
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: it was functional, it could have been a connection.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure ye.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: Are there any other sites, Danny that have this three
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: phase over such a long period of time building in
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: the area, or any phase that corresponds with these time
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: periods at all that just has one similar construction anywhere
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: else or is it total anomaly?
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The archeological sites in Andiet, it's like hasn't haven't
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: been explored yet, so they the archaeology people just work
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: on the surface, but they never really scanned the ground
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: and study the starting crappy like we do here in
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: but one side in East Japa, I studied them a
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago is the site of the brick structures,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: and people like believe that the construction is like fourteen
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: century from twelfth to like fifteenth century AD. It's related
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: to the ancient kingdom called Majapahit, but we don't really
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: believe it. So we studied them and we found that
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: beneath that the breaks that they did to twelfth to
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: fifteenth century, there's another bridge, there's other brigs and we
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: dd that brick and the date is but at least
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: five hundred BC. So on that date, that means it
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: could relate to the youngest layer of Unupadan, which is
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: like one thousand ESBC. Right, So that's okay, that's one
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: side that we have explored. And they there are many
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: many archeological sites in it said that has to be
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: explored investigated.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: So they are known of the sites, but they just
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: haven't been investigated very very yes, just because the jungle
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: is so intense, well.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Not all they are exposed because there's nobody doing the investigation.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: The archaeologists uh didn't do that.
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: Sure, and these places are easy to mistake as natural
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: natural features, right so for.
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: And educated.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right now we have a bigger project. So in itself,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: the the new research it will be started next month.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: It will be a pre reconstruction of the site. It's
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: a big project of the Ministry of Culture, which is
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: we are glad they will do that. But also we
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: have a bigger project to explore other sites in Indonesia.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: There to other sides we will be exploring uh this
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: year and in the coming years. And also we have
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: an incredible incredible site willow Water in the shallow seas.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: We see also stuft as there. So we have a
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: big expedition underwater. Underwater.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what that's if I may ask.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Sixty to nineteen meters lower than the sea level can
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: tell you Yeah, like the pure there's a big difference
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: of of yeah, yeah, that's old. M it means it's
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: very old, right, very old men at least at twelve
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: yearsold because we're know the sy level history. Sure. Yeah,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: what we found is the harbor, a big hubor like
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: six kilometer wide harbor, ancient harbor sixty meters below the
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: sea level.
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: So basically what we can translate from that is that
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: ten thousand years ago there is a six mile harbor
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: and they were selling the seas.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: And also the beach, the dam. We have two locations
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: of the and what the practice.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: So you're ready for that one to be retracted to, right,
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: this one would.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Be hardly to reject. I would say, you'll see.
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: Because harbor six six miles ten thousand years ago, they
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: want they want.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I think I should show you the harbor. Yeah, I
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: would love to see it. I'd love to see it. Okay,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: let's see I can show you this incredible that's probably
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: the most incredible thing I've heard before. Yeah, you know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: it's just the beginning. Okay, here we go. This is
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: that straight. This is a detailed mathemetry that my friend
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: conducted in this area. Because this is this is not new,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: it's like a pair of a pair of years ago.
• 42:23
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: The government has a plan to make a bridge from
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Java to Sumatra. This is Sumatra, this is Java, so
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: the bridge will be going like from here to that
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: enormous Okay, this is something on Ireland a court so
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: because it's a planning for this construction, so this area
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: has to be so prey. This is a detailed mativet
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: multibi is a sonar multibim data, so it's very detailed.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: So what we see here, the green one is sixteen
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: meters below the sea level, but the blue one is
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: up to one hundred and fifty meters. So this side
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: is a wall. It's a high wall, like forty to
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: ninety meters high. And this one you see here, Yes,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: there's the ancient river on the ice edge. This is
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: the anciente river. Okay, so it's going like this. The
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: flow is going like that. So this is the sea,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: the Indian Ocean. So in the natural geological landscape, this
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: should be a delta a manner. But instead of the delta,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: there's a rectangular form. And there's a small entrance over there,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: a small endrant. So this is a harbor, we'll see.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: So there's a three D of that matemetry. So there's
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: a hubor six kilometer by six point epilament of white
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: and that is a small entrance to it. There's a river, okay,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: and I think this is the exit inside exit, see that. Yes,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: there's the main uncourage up there. There's a small in
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: entrance over there. There's another smaller size and courage. I
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: think it's like a VIP. Maybe this is an army
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: over here. This is about general people, and.
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: There's all of these twelve thousand years ago.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it is sixty meters sure, so when it's dialent,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: it has to be more than twelve thousand years ago. Yeah.
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: The significance of this is completely history rewriting's.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, people will not I can't say
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: anything anymore anyway.
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: And you think this is all related to gunan Padang
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: in terms of civilization or heritage or continuation of a culture.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I think so it's the same region and the age
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: is about the same period. You know.
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: So Ricardo Ricardo brought up a word that I love, civilization.
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: What is your criteria that is needed to be understood
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: as a civilization?
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: My critoria of the civilizations?
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like what would you expect to have to be
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: considered a civilization?
• 45:30
  Speaker 7: You know, some people use writing systems, some people use metallurgy,
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: some people use agricultural needs. Like what is your from
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: your from your stance and your understanding and your studies
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: of this certain location. What is the criteria that you
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: would consider that would be needed for a civilization?
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Maybe, I'll maybe the definition of civilization could be anything.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: The article Orgy said, well, if you say civilization, you
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: have to find the houses, the people, how they live,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: what is the food and stating something like that, education,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: the loss languages, anything. But how about if I ask
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: people if we found a harbor and the harbor is
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: looked advance rectangular with the wall, uh, and it's like
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: six point five delopment, does do you think that primitive
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: people can build it? Or it has to be civilized
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: people that can build the harbor and need the harbor.
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: That's questions.
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: I would say, you know, that's a good question because
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: of the simple fact that you know, a lot of
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: people talk about seafaring people, right, and the civilization goes
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: back much further because of seafaring people, and you actually
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: have a harbor that goes back far enough for individuals
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: to understand that seafaring type and individuals. So it's just
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: interesting to me because you said, you know, there's different definitions,
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: ideas and theories of what a civilization is, but basically,
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: you know, it all goes back to the foundational root
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: of people working together, no matter how that is applied
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: in the idea of what we consider a civilization, whether
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: it's a group of people coming together to create a
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: writing system, a group of people that's coming together create
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: a special type of pottery or trade and some sort.
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: And we know that most civilizations. I should say I
• 47:30
  Speaker 7: know because this is just from what I study. I
• 47:32
  Speaker 7: don't know what you guys know, of course, but the
• 47:35
  Speaker 7: idea that you know, trading was the beginning of civilizations.
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: You know, people talking and working with others to you know,
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: barter and so on and so forth, trading with other individuals.
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: And that's a group of people that's working together, and
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: that cauld go back before even the time of anything
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: that we understand what we understand as a writing system.
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: You know, you don't need to necessarily a writing system
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: to trade. You can use your fingers, you know, you
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: know one thing for that one thing you know, and
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: you give me that for that and we could trade
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: or I give you two things for that one thing
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: or something like that using your fingers of some sort.
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: And then it becomes a point where now we start
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: we need to start tracking what we're trading, and a
• 48:15
  Speaker 7: harbor would be a perfect place for that because people
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: would travel by water to get certain things. So I
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: just wanted to understand your basic understanding of what you
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: consider vitalization.
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: I agree, Tyrone, I would say here we're not talking
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: about a simple culture because if you have a harbor
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: with four and a half miles and twelve thousand years ago,
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: you have to re sink everything in terms of mainstream
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: concept of when this was developed, right, because it just
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: it isn't a countert for it changes absolutely.
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: That's why I'm so crazy about this because this is.
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: If this is confirmed, it changes completely the perspective of
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: what were the civilizations twelve thousand years ago?
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Let mean through this other location. This is between Javua
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: and Bali. You know Balley, right, Yeah, this is is
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Javua and this is Bally. So it's about one thousand
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: kilometer to the east from the Ancine Harbor suspected. And
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: and this location my friend has the same guy as
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I said. Yeah, he has a project to develop the
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: energy based on wave tide energy. So he made also
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: he connected this detail mathemetric survey using ASNA multi game.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: And but he found if i'm this channel, this is
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: a This yellow one is deeper, it's nineteen meters below
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: the sea level, and the green one is up to
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: two hundred meters below the sy level. So what we
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: see here natural shape. This is a natural channel, natural
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: channel that goes from the ocean over here to that.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: But this natural channel has been blocked by this field
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: and that one. So the present is to us like
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: that that is a natural channel deep at that time
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: the still ground dry, and then people build this construction
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: over there. Sure see that?
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: Yes?
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so this is connected to the harbor. The
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: same period. If you know the history from Freda Induism
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: about the Rama bridge Ramaa, so we could propose that
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: it could be a Rama bridge over here, and that's
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: a treaty of that. It's very clear, no doubt that
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: it's a bridge.
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: That's impressive.
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I wonder if, forgive my ignorance, Janny, I
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: wonder if anyone has explored any of these areas underwater,
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: archaeological or diving and checking them out at all. No, No,
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: it's possible that there are other indicators of.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: What absolutely yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a big area.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: So the LEMI pull out the figure of the signal
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: and let's see. Okay, here you go. I think I
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: have a better picture, but I see this one is good.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: So see that this is now, that's the Java, Sumatra, Kalimantan.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: That's Malaysia connected to Thailand Bangkok. So if we go
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: back in time to seven thousand years ago, the Malaysia
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: still connected to Sumatra, and Sumata still connect to Jampa.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Over here, Armata has been separated. Okay, nine thousand years old,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: so it's been connected. And that's eleven thousand years ago.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: So it's all connected. And that is in the ice
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: it So the Silverppo is still thirty meters below the Chileppo. Sure,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: that's not a big glen. Also over here it's called
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Shaul Land, so that's a big land. So the harbor
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: it's located over here, and the bridge is over here.
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so this this is what some people would consider.
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: Move all the Muria you think.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the mode, the scapton is I'm not really
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: you know, sure, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not trying
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: to attest it.
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: I'm just.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: To me, the description of Mode is similar to description
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: of Atlantis. I don't know whether it's the same period
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: or not, but well, Moo and La Muria.
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: To me, it was always on on the on the
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: on the indeic. So yeah, well I was not expecting this.
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: This is astonishing.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: When I watched when I watched that episode on with
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: Graham Hancock, I was like, man, this is an interesting place.
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: And that's when I started learning more and digging deep
• 53:17
  Speaker 7: into it because it's always been out there, but nobody
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: really actually, you know, did anything you know, constructive on it,
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: like doing a documentary or going hardcore on it and
• 53:28
  Speaker 7: stuff like that. So there's definitely a lot of questions
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: that need to be answered about that location.
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: The cult out October.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is our project besides. So so this is
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: also to uh to give you an idea that lots
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: of megaletics tells us in and it said that has
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: not been explored and this one not one of them.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: So here we also discovered the I means suggest like
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: so it's like like you know, it's it's like he
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: and because it's the it's camouflage because the the vegetation
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: sure and.
• 54:06
  Speaker 6: Same trepe disol I don't know how to say it,
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: and like a keyhole.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah h yeah, I see this one is even like
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: larger than because the rock to access is still pretty
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: sure over there.
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: And much bigger rock, right, much bigger rock here.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: It's much bigger rock also and there are lots of
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Antifa it including that one. It's very interesting Trianglear's shape
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: over there, and it's not just one. It's three three
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: pyramids on the same valley. It's got the background alley, so.
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: So when you start looking, they are everywhere.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's another interesting side also in Sulawa.
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: See you know this one now, it's the first time
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: I see it. The the the other two I've seen it,
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: but the left one.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Th Yeah, in central Solwa see the fast megalithics site.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: It's like an Easter island, is it. And but this
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: is from Grand Nights yea. Here it's like one hundreds
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: of them. I think it could be thousands of them.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: And this is also Grand Nites. And it has been
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: shaped like this, you know, granite. It is very hard rocks,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: right exactly. So yeah, let's see it's a similarity between
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: the hands within the central so low see completely tap
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: and also the East island. And this is a pyramid.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Also this is new nobody knows it, but we will
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: also explode this.
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: This one is the it's a wall. It's a granite
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: wall that has been carved also amazing.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this one I think, you know, it's very instinct.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: So and this is this one that I I said
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: to you that even the site that has been known
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: to people like this one in Java. It's a big
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: starcus and people just know these young bricks. It's dated
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: like in the fifteenth century. But then we studied there
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: is an odd breaks that they did before this five BC.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: So it's a pretty clear started rappy.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: I apologize Jenny could you go back to the is
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: that an image that similar to a gray alien on
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: the rock that you point out?
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Ah? Okay, this right, Oh that's my interest too.
• 56:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you find rock art rock art with very similar
• 56:37
  Speaker 8: design because I've never seen I've seen like some what
• 56:41
  Speaker 8: looks like to be fakery.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Actually, but this this, it's real. And to side there's
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: not a Yeah they said like this on the other side,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: but it has been.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: The eyes are very definitive and probably more so in person.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is crazy.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so the there's another carving of the same person.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the same, the same it's calambasa. Yeah.
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: Is this an image that is elsewhere around in the
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: area or anywhere else that you've seen, because I mean,
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: obviously we are with the image, but to be on
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: a monolith is interesting.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's also uh hasn't really explored. Yeah, so we
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: really explode that, so I think it could be more.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: But most of the other artifacts artifact, it's like this,
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: uh jazz and these tatus, they're everywhere, and they're also
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: a statue like this one. It looks like the alien
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: also one of the statues, not the caffe.
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: And these stones are native to this area or they're
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: brought into here.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: It's native. So this is and there are three big
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: valleys on the area, fair bit of one, and it's
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: surrounded by mountains. On that mountain race, we could found
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: lots of glamites, sure, but they had to to bring
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: it to Have you brought that from the mountain like
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: tens of kilometers? Yeah? Sure, there's under not underground yeah
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And can you.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: Determine the date that that carving was made?
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Oh? The age? The dates? Yes, no, we don't know yet.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: This year I have a collaboration with my college from France,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: we will do the dating of this stone U seeing
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: the we call it the cosmogenic dating. So with the
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: cosmogenic dating, we can know when the rock like had
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: been exposed to the sun after the uh the catrocks
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: from the south rock and then exposed to the sun.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: So that's how the cosmogenic getting works. So I hope
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: it can it really connected this year so then we
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: all know how old is this rock? I think it
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: could be as completely type I would say, oh wow, I.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: Was going to say as young as young as two
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: thousand years, but as as all the.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Wow, even even the the the mainstream believe is five
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: thousand years old the archeologist because it's connected. They said
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: it's connected the migration uh people, migration from Asia to
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Indonesia through Taiwan and then to Sulawa Sea and then
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: to Pacific, and that occurred like four to five thousand
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: years ago, two thousand and and BC. That is a
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: confessional date, but I think it's much older than that. Yeah.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: And also it's interesting to see that surrounding this pyramid
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: the loss of also artifacts like these men here and
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: the jazz, but they are all unfinished. They cut, but
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: they're all still unfinished, still roles. So I think it
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: hasn't finished because something happened some Kintasophia I think, kill
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: them all.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: The problem is when that happened was seventy three thousand
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: years ago.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know when, but I think it's I mean.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about the Tobey eruption.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, Toby eruption. It's a long time
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: agong time ago. Seventy four thousand years ago. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: tventy four thousand, that's the the you know, the latest dates.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: I think the Toba eruption is not is related to
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: the where people call it the first migration of human
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: worldwide migration from Africa out of Africa theory. Mm hm,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: that's happened from seventy thousand to like sixty five thousand. Yes,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: and people hasn't really connected it to the Tobe eruption,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: but I think it's very connected. So after the Tobe eruption,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: there as some people that has been to five maybe
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: mostly in Africa on the games, and then after that
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: they you know, decided to recubilize the word.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: It's a measure bottleneck in in human Yeah, there a
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: paper on that.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I studied.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: So do you have any slides on perhaps the purpose
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: of the good and patterning? I know that in some
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: documentaries like Ancient Aliens and some other works, it shows
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: that these builders may have had some sort of astrological
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: knowledge when building these things. I know some of the
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: rooms do align with the solstice and other things. Do
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: you have anything on that.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: No, I don't have that. I don't really study that.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: It's not my expertise, but I think my friends, do
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: you know if it is a line north south east west,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: do you know the line is about sixteen degree to
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: the west from the north, so it's not really to
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: the north of our north, but about sixteen sixteen degree
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: deficate to.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: The west, but a true north or the polar star, the.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Compass not yes, yeah, that's the difficat of that. The
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: compass not like that is like that sixteen degree to.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: Os nice sixteen degrees too much?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Sixteen yeah, yeah, so.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: You cannot be related to vega. So you cannot recede
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: enough to veget because it's too much. Sixteen one is
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: too much? Can can you explain what is the meaning
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: of the resistivity of on point end? But what does
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: it mean?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: This one?
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: No, this one?
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: What it means that the colors in terms of yeah,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: this is very interesting. I show you because it's it's
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: very interesting. So this is a higher sissivty layers. It's
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: related to that. You need you need two, right, and
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: this yellow one is you need three. The oldest one.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: The chamber that we're talking about, this one is December.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: It's it's like here over there, I don't know, you
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: can't see that. But there's another chamber, a deeper chamber. Okay, okay,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: that's annotation over there. There's a deeper chamber over there.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: See over there, there's a two lays of chamber. One
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: is over there the dimension is like five to ten meters,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: but the deeper one it is larger, like forty to
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: one ten meter you know, ten meters high and forty
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: meter wide over there.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 6: And the resolution allows you to understand if it is
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: any possibility of them being man made or we use
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 6: natural cavities that were enhanced, or is there any any
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 6: possibility from the resolution you get.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: From this, Yeah, the lava is over here, so okay.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: So the deeper, the Sellow chamber, we have lots of
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: images to be sure that there's a man dade. It's
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: not looks like or whatever. But the deeper chamber we
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: only have like two or three sections showing this. When
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: we show that it's also it's unlikely to be natural,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: But because it's so centered in the middle of the.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bit like Changler over there. But yeah,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: I agree that we need to explode it more. But
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: just look enter geometry. It's really like in the center
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: of the mound. It's very interesting. I think it's sure. Yeah.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling that this is the one that
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: people considered the ancient times that the most important part
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: of this consuction. I think this is why they like
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: protected the site, I mean built it over the time
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: more than three times.
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  Speaker 5: It was amazing.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Okay me, I think I have to stop chatting this.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Something I wanted to ask it was something like
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: when you were showing the levels that I think it's
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: to me it looked like you were saying something newer
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: was built inside of it. Now you were showing like
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: the yellow was like inside of the mountain, and you said,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: I think that that was younger. Do you think it's
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: possible like they might have actually when they built that,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: they might have broke down other stuff, like was there
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: something pre existing in there and they had to demolish
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: that to add that on. I understand what I'm saying.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: Not really the consumption is I broke from the other stuff?
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not really sure, but I.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Can't explain what I'm trying to get it.
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  Speaker 7: So like like like like you know how most religious
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: sites are just destroyed and then rebuilt upon by other
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 7: groups of religious sizes something like that.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Is that what you're trying to say? That could be Yeah,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: that would be a reason for that what I'm getting at.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah, like like what they did they destroy things
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 7: trying to rebuild something on top of it.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: What I see is the suggests when when the group
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: of people after the Unit three, the oldest one is
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: abandoned for thousands of years, because the Unit three is
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: constructed sixteen thousand years ago or even older, and the
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Unit two is it's been built like eight thousand, so
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: it's been several thousands of years. So when the second
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: group of people come toada the Unit three that has
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: been very very wet, very like weather a way, you know.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: So at that time, I think the people will think
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: to rebuild the layers because the other one has been
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: really weathered. So that's I think the reason why the
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: unit too is constructed. The think it's very important site
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: and we have to rebuild the place. But the Unit
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: one that built by the third group of people, when
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: they come to I would say that you need to
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: is still not better. It's still good, the weathering is
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: still not bad. But that's what I don't really understand
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: why they decided to bury the you need to and
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: then build the Unit one, which is less advanced. This
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: is very much more simple than you need to, And
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing that they do that because they don't really
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: have a capability to construct the same advance as the
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: you need to, and maybe they also want to preserve it.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: They just want to make a cameou flass, you know,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: just build it, bury it to preserve for future generation.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 6: If you know, you told me you were interested in
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 6: so now miss So the Burkle Crater around from three
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 6: point six to four thousand BC created chevrons in Australia
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: that go three hundred meters into land. So these huge
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 6: chevrons caused by a huge tsunami that they apply to
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 6: the to the Burkele Crater. What impact would this have
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 6: the in these islands? Do you think you can be
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 6: connected to a stop in the culture and then restart
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: again from your dates?
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: When is that?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: When it's about four thousand BC, But some people say
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: thirty two hundred, others say thirty six hundred. I say
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 5: four thousand BC. Mora l as Pers. It correlates with
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: more sites.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: Four six thousand. It's in Australia that can raise three
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: hundred meter wow.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and India it reached one hundred meters inland into
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 6: a temple that was one hundred and thirty meters one
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 6: hundred and thirty meters high. So it's it's funneled through
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 6: a through a valley from the sea, and that's why
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 6: it reached further.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: But it could reach. It reached one hundred meters high
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: through that.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: And what is the cost of it? What is the
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: cost of I mean, there's no earthquake, there's no impact. Impact.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: It's a purple crater.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, at the coast of Madagascar, about seven hundred kilometers
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 6: of Madagascar to to the west.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: It's called the.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's very interesting. I haven't heard about that. Oh
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: you haven't, No, I haven't. But three hundred meter in
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: the Madeagascar the impact tsunami that will that will will?
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: Will you have this biggest unami also in Indonesia, would say,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: So it could be like I don't know, up to
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: one hundred meters. I don't know, but yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: it's very interesting. But I have to look into the data.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 6: So the shell fronts in Australia show is the direction,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 6: so that tsunami may make a vast, vast circle. That's
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: that's from about five hundred to seven hundred kilometers west
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 6: of Madagascar.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: That's where the impact is.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 6: It reached the whole areas from from India to the
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 6: Middle East to it crossed across the channel into the Mediterranean,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 6: so it had.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: A huge impact in the area.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 6: So I'm just trying to connect the areas of stopping
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 6: of development and rebuild off those types of constructions.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: In Yeah, because if the date is right about six thousand,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: that man is period between you need two and you
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: need to one exactly eight thousand and you need to
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: one is four thousands in b I have I have.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: A modest paper that I can I can send you.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Yeahs all about this. It is interesting that I suspect
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: also the same thing at the end of the younger dryers.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: If the cosmic impact, the metal impact that went into
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: like Indian Ocean, and the diameter of the impact like
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: fifteen kilometers like the one that caused the nas in
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: the extinction, the SAI could be Yeah, it could be
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: a few hundred meters tsunami high, and the inundations could
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: riach like one thousand metersuf exactly. Stuff like that. But anyway, Okay,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: how high is from the sea is let me see,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: nine hundred meters, So it's it's high enough to be
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: more or less? Say is it a mountain area?
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: Sure, that's interesting to get the same dates.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 6: In fact, I think that the one that caused the
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 6: Burkle Crater is one of the fragments of the common
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 6: that caused the Younger Dryers. So it circled again and
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 6: it impacted so the parts that didn't crash into earth.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 6: Because there are two events following. So when the bugle
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 6: created the impact, they now found there is another impact.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: There is two impacts in the Pacific.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: And one in the Atlantic, so at the same time.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 6: So three or four eight pieces fell around six thousand BC,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 6: and I relate them to the comet that they exploded
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 6: for whatever reason and then impacted in the Yager Dryers.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: So I think it's it's from the same the same
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 6: comet and it then impacted again at around around sixteen
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 6: hundred BC. There's sixteen Yeah, it's the last it's the
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 6: last two piece that can be related to that.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: So Danny, do you have any more future stuff that
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: you have plans for that police the.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: Plan, the future plan. Yeah. Yeah. So in the next
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: seuple of months ahead of me that we will be
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: I'm very big. I will be very busy because the
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: next month the the investigation and will be started. We
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: plan to conduct grilling, which is will be very exciting
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: because Uh, this time, we'd like to drill like directly
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: through the de chambers and the deeper one and the
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: shallow and the deeper one because at the same place,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: so we could real the shallow and the deeper one
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: and also it can even deeper. So we'd like to
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: want to know the like the entire statiography, entire success
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: of the and we will also conducted more scanning using
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: the seesmic tomography, but I think this time will be
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: three D seesmic tomography, and I hope we can conduct
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: like a much more comprehensive digging excavations because now we
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: are not like conducting research for science, but as it's
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: for reconsuction for the side reconcustion. So the we have
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: to like exactly now the the inside structures of the
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: site to be able to want one things that need
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: to be records a right to rebuild. So yeah, so
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: it'd be be very busy with that and also with this, uh,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: the the bigger project to explore other side that the
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: pyramid in Toba and the pyramid and megalithic stutage in
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: centrals levels. There's also another pyramid candidates in in florests
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: is of value as that we all visit and the oceans,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: the ocean exploration.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: That's when I'm very eager to see it.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: It's very challenging. We will have also a team from Canada,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: our friends that has a lighter and Moti Moltibiam survey
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: company that will help us. So they will come to
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: Initia for like a month doing Mariinsufe with DOES. And
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: we also got help from the the Marine Corps of
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: Indonesia also. They will help us also to do that
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: ocean explanation that.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 5: Any submarine, any submarine remote oh the.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah amen a man, yeah.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: Because at sixty meters it's it's hard for for dive.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Sixty yeah, for the divers, we should only like five minutes, yes,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: very sixty.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 6: In terms of the digging that you're planning to do,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 6: you told before that the water can be pressurized. You know,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure, but it might be pressurized on that
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 6: big reservoir, right, yes, yeah, So isn't it the risk
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 6: that if you hit it, you can cause the capitation
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 6: of the of the of the of the structure by
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 6: the water coming upper.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: Uh. I hope not, but we have to be careful, Okay, I.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: Hope it gets crossed then. Really, I love it, Danny.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: It was amazing.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: Did anybody have any other questions for the man?
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 7: I probably I probably will after this because I'm gonna
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 7: go back and watch that Graham Hancock episode just to
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 7: see and I'm definitely gonna shoot you some messages about it,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 7: because you know, there's a lot of there's a you know,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 7: I always wanted to know what is the oldest civilization,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 7: you know, and that's one of why one of the
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 7: questions I asked you, what do you consider a civilization?
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 7: And I know from my studies, all the gods or
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 7: the people who were elite individuals or people who were
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 7: looked as gods or kings or whatever the case may be,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 7: they were on top of a hill and they would
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 7: send their messengers from the top of the hill to
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 7: the people below.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: So the people so that so where that location is
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: that down below?
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 7: Is there like some kind of settlement, like a little
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 7: civilization or group of individuals that set up, like you know,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 7: some housing or something around there to show that they
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 7: lived there or something, or is it just on the top.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the settlement, it's very distinct. Grace, So we
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: don't know yet, but we're going to conduct the lighter
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: maps around that area. We hope you could find the
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: settlement and others stop because I suspected that it's not
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: just but it should be like the surrounding area should
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: be like settlement and other things.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, someone built it, so they shouldn't be you have to.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually really good. That's interesting.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 7: Like you know, like in the Pyramids of Giza, they
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 7: have all those areas around it. You know, they have cemeteries,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 7: they have building, they have you know, different things. So
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 7: I'm wondering because of a civilization, was their settlement down there?
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 7: And that's interesting y'all going to do a light our
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 7: test on that because that would definitely bring out that information,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 7: even things below it.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: Actually yes, yes, yeah, I suspected a few sites around
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: going to put down but basic you also happen to
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: explore the mountain. Like I said, the mountain is like
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: two hundred meters high from the ripper, the base of
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: the ripper, the one that we have explored is like
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: half of it, the upper half of the mountain. Uh,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: it happened explored the beginning e it.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 5: So two hundred meters is six hundred and sixty six
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: feet for those.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: That Yeah, yeah, the entire mound, so we haven't really
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: explored the the the lower parts of the mound. Yeah.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's huge. It's huge.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So Danny, one question, will you allow Nick to
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 5: share your emails so I can send.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: You the yes?
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, thank you, Thank you cool, Thank you, Danny.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on. I know it's
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: like this was eight o'clock in the morning for you,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: so I really appreciate that. Do you want to let
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: everybody know where they can maybe, you know, find any
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: of your work or do you want to advertise anything,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: promote anything.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not really frequently you know, both in the internet,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: but I have Facebook that I usually show it in
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: my Facebook if I that's important things that I found. Okay, Facebook,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: it's in your name, yeah, in my name.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. After the show, if you want, you could
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: send me the link and what's happened, I'll post it
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: up in here with the show notes for people. All right,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: Thank you again very much. Even the slide show was
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: really really impressive. I really appreciated that. I'm glad. I'm
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: glad for Kara asked you to pull it up because
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: that was that was impressive. Oh it was a huge difference. Yeah,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: that was amazing. Thank you.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: Level one, level two people.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, once he pulled it up like it was
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: honestly a completely different picture of what I even thought
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: I was looking at online. So I was just like, oh, wow,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: this is huge, you know. So yeah, all right, real quick,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: before we wrap this up, I'll let everybody just plug
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: this stuff real quick. Brook. Let everybody know where they
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: can find your amazing podcast.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: Please, sure thing.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me, and I always love learning
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: more about these megallithic structures, so thank you for your presentation.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: You can find me on Instagram at darkflord to podcast
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: and wherever you get your podcasts.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much for joining us. And Ricardo sir.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 6: So I just want to plug in the Universe Unveiled podcast.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 6: It's the only thing I didn't plug into the beginning.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 6: So check it out on x and on YouTube. It's
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 6: Universe Unveiled. It's easy to find and I'm sure you'll
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 6: enjoy the shows.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: Definitely definitely check that show out. Thank you, Ricardo. I
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: appreciate I appreciate you joining us. You asked amazing questions.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: Thank you. I really appreciate it, and we got Tyrone,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: what is going on? All right? Hey, Danny, that was
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: a good presentation. I really appreciate that.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 7: I'm definitely going to do some more due diligence and
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 7: do some more research on it, because I definitely love
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 7: the idea of new civilizations and new information being found
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 7: around here. Everything you can find about me is on
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 7: my website, rebirth attheword dot com.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: If you just want to go there, check it out.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: I do articles and all kinds of stuff on there.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 7: I just started my dot documentary, so I'm gonna start
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 7: putting that on my rumble.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: Shout out to Ricardo and Ethan.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 7: They both have books that I've both read, very good books.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 7: I highly recommend reading their books.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: Thank you, appreciate that.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much there, Tyron. I appreciate it. And
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: that's been not least what's going on?
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 4: Thanks everybody forment Danny. That was excellent. Thanks Ethan. Undergo
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: on all the social media and easily to find and
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: new articles coming up on a cult research institute of course.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: And appreciate everybody again. Thank you, Thank you, Ethan.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: It's a pleasure, thank you very much, my pleasure, my pleasure.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: Make all right. And uh, that is the end of
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: another Recult Rejects. And until the next one, everybody be well.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: And oh and and everybody in the chat. I appreciate
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: everybody jumping in and saying something, that's what's up. And uh, yeah,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: that's the end of the show. I guess, so until
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: the next one, everybody be well. Later