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Tarot and the Paranormal with Leigh · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen. What? What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: I help? Welcome back to the Occult Rejects Today. We've
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  Speaker 1: got a very special guest on, somebody I was very
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  Speaker 1: excited to get on after I was talking to them
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  Speaker 1: for a bit and found out they also did paranormal work.
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  Speaker 3: I think this may be the first time.
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  Speaker 1: I've actually had I don't know what to go cult
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  Speaker 1: this or a witch or whatever on the show that
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  Speaker 1: also is into paranormal. We've had paranormal people on, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't think any of them were into that stuff,
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  Speaker 1: so I would assume this might be from a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a different lens, which can be exciting. But
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  Speaker 1: before we get into all of that, we will talk
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  Speaker 1: about Taro as well.
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  Speaker 3: And Lee.
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  Speaker 1: Please everybody know what's going on and where they can
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  Speaker 1: find all of your stuff as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, well, hello, thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 2: I am honored to be here. My name is Lee Savagejoe.
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  Speaker 2: My business name, I suppose is Lee in Tune and
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  Speaker 2: you can find me on Instagram at Lee in Tune
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  Speaker 2: l E I g H. The right way to spell
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  Speaker 2: it Lee in Tune. My website Leetune dot com. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm an intuitive tarot reader, I'm a ranking master, I'm
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  Speaker 2: an energetic sound healer, and I am also a paranormal investigator.
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  Speaker 2: I have a all female paranormal investigation group called Three
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  Speaker 2: Veils Paranormal.
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  Speaker 1: That is awesome. It all it's all women. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: even know know that that's great. It is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, three of us nice.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys don't want away from the ghost Like,
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  Speaker 1: who's that guy on a ghost Adventures?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, who's this boy that.
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  Speaker 1: He's always sticking in the most fucked up situations? I
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  Speaker 1: forgot the dudes now, yeahs like send him in there
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  Speaker 1: and yeah Aaron, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then the poor guy's wife tries to kill him too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, I know, talk about crazy man wild.
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  Speaker 3: I can't catch a bird.
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  Speaker 2: Run Unlike some big old grown men that like to
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  Speaker 2: investigate paranormal. We are not runners.
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  Speaker 3: I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. So I guess, actually, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: since you have kind of like both of these things,
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  Speaker 1: I guess first what I mean, what was it that
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  Speaker 1: you got into first, like kind of like witchcraft or paranormal.
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  Speaker 2: I think paranormal came first. Yeah, when I like very
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  Speaker 2: quick recap. But when I was eight years old, we
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  Speaker 2: moved to Franklin, Tennessee, which is a little bit south
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  Speaker 2: of Nashville, and it's a huge Civil War town. There
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  Speaker 2: was a battle there and I believe it was the
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  Speaker 2: most bloodshed and the least amount of time during the
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  Speaker 2: Civil War. And uh so there's a massive Confederate cemetery there,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of historic properties, and I was instantly like fascinated,
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  Speaker 2: and not because I also love history, but I was
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  Speaker 2: so just enamored by by the feeling of it and
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  Speaker 2: all of the history and the kind of eeriness of
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  Speaker 2: the cemetery. And I would ask my parents on the
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  Speaker 2: weekends if we could go back to these places and
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  Speaker 2: explore the cemeteries. And and I remember very vividly at
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  Speaker 2: a very young age just being so into the anything haunted,
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  Speaker 2: anything that may have a ghost, you know, I was
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  Speaker 2: like in it. And so my love for the paranormal,
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  Speaker 2: I think really fueled kind of the path that I
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  Speaker 2: ended up taking into tarot and metaphysical work. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the ghosts, the ghost came first, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a feeling because that's even kind of
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  Speaker 1: like I guess my situation that you know, my even
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  Speaker 1: though my parents were rather kind of religion growing up,
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  Speaker 1: or especially my mom, she still believed in ghosts and aliens.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that kind of helped her, you know,
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  Speaker 1: open me up to other things. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah, I don't know where you raise Catholic.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well, Catholic and Christians like kind of back and forth.
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  Speaker 1: At one point my mom, My mom was like fuck
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  Speaker 1: the Catholic Church and she was like a Christian some shit.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why she got like that, but she did.
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  Speaker 2: I just find like the Catholic like the Catholicism to
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  Speaker 2: spirituality pipeline is like it's like a real thing. I
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  Speaker 2: think Catholicism is so mystical in itself, and it's you know, yes,
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  Speaker 2: the preaching of the miracles and you know that the
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  Speaker 2: incense in church, and I think it's like such a
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  Speaker 2: kind of interesting, you know, foray into into metaphysics.
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  Speaker 3: I was raised Catholics, so I totally agree with that.
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  Speaker 3: We were talking about that on the show not too
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  Speaker 3: long ago.
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  Speaker 1: It was just kind of like a little thing that
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  Speaker 1: we just talked about here for a few seconds. How like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, kind of I think a lot of us
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  Speaker 1: have no, and there was people on the show that
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  Speaker 1: Catholicism I think kind of like if you're ceremonial magician,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what's really the difference, you know, I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: like the way it looks, it's going to be very
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  Speaker 1: easy for you to switch over.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's all about ritual, right, ritual and tradition
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  Speaker 2: and you know, reverence and sanctity like it all. It's
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  Speaker 2: all just one woven web.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, I agree, I totally agree. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, like I asked all my guests, what was
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  Speaker 1: it that got you into the cult, witchcraft, whatever you
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  Speaker 1: call it, you know, for you for yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, like I said, living in that really historic
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  Speaker 2: place was kind of my entry way. But my mom
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  Speaker 2: also was super into ghosts and psychics and was a
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  Speaker 2: firm believer in the other side. So I kind of
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  Speaker 2: grew up always you know, she loves scary movies and
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  Speaker 2: so it was kind of our thing. And then I
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  Speaker 2: discovered probably around ten that I, this is gonna this
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  Speaker 2: is crazy, but that I could smell ghosts. So so yes,
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  Speaker 2: my grandma also could. And the reason we discovered this
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  Speaker 2: was because my grandma's house was extremely haunted in Fayetteville,
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  Speaker 2: North Carolina. She just recently passed away. I'm sure she
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  Speaker 2: is haunting the shit out of that house herself now,
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  Speaker 2: but her house is extremely haunted, always has been. And
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  Speaker 2: I vividly remember going into one of those historic places
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  Speaker 2: and saying that it smelled like Grandma's house. And then
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  Speaker 2: I found that every place I went that was supposedly
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  Speaker 2: haunted or you know, I would smell the same smell.
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  Speaker 2: And my grandma kind of caught onto this and she
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  Speaker 2: was like, I think you have what I have. So
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  Speaker 2: it's this kind of passed down trait. Fast forward thirty
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  Speaker 2: years or you know, twenty five years. I'm listening to
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  Speaker 2: one of my favorite podcasts, which is called Psychic Teachers,
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  Speaker 2: which was a huge kind of like gateway in for me,
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  Speaker 2: and they're talking about the Clayers, which you know, there's
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  Speaker 2: Clairvoyance and Claire Aliens, and one of them is psychic smelling.
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  Speaker 2: And I had this like epiphany where I was like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, I have that. I have that. I'd
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  Speaker 2: never heard of it, I've never heard of anybody besides me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to look into that after the show. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: this is really weird. Yeah, I'm something that was.
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  Speaker 2: That was kind of my first inkling that maybe I
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  Speaker 2: was a little more sensitive or or in tune than
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  Speaker 2: the average Joe.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think, so yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And then it all just kind of evolved,
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  Speaker 2: you know. I also my degrees in musical theater. Theater
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  Speaker 2: in itself is full of super stition, and you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the theater kid to tarot reader pipeline is also one
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  Speaker 2: that should probably be studied.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, it's funny. When I was in high
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  Speaker 3: school that did rupt.
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  Speaker 1: There was a lot of people that were in theater
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  Speaker 1: that were also kind of open to witchcraft and that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Thinking about it now, oh wow, yeah change.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the whole purpose of theater is
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  Speaker 2: suspension of belief, right like to make to bring people
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  Speaker 2: in and make them believe what's happening, and so I
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  Speaker 2: think they kind of go hand in hand.
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  Speaker 1: No, I could see that.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I got my first tarot deck when I
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  Speaker 2: was eighteen. I'm about to be thirty seven in a
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  Speaker 2: few days, so I'm not reading Taro for a very
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  Speaker 2: long time. And Taro for me has just kind of
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  Speaker 2: always been like the backbone of my practice and my spirituality.
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  Speaker 2: And then you know, it all kind of unfolded from there.
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  Speaker 1: Nice. What was the first Tarot deck, if you remember, it.
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  Speaker 2: Was the rider Weight Smith. I have it in my
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  Speaker 2: car still. It literally lives in my in my middle console.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't wrapped with the exact same lime green scrunchy
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  Speaker 2: that it has been wrapped in since I was eighteen.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, it's yeah, so any if you ever, if
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  Speaker 2: you follow me on social media, anytime I'm in my
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  Speaker 2: car doing like a Tarot, yeah, it's it's from that deck,
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  Speaker 2: Like that is my og.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so so yeah, I'm a firm believer that if
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  Speaker 2: you are going to start, if you're interested in starting
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  Speaker 2: to read Tarot, I am a firm believer that you
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  Speaker 2: should start with the rider Weight Smith deck. I am
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  Speaker 2: like that. I agree, Yeah, I just I feel that
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  Speaker 2: it's the basis. It's the basis for all Tarot decks.
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  Speaker 2: Ninety nine point nine percent of them are going to
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  Speaker 2: be based on that imagery and on that symbolism, and
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  Speaker 2: so starting there is always going to give you a
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  Speaker 2: really nice understanding, and then from there you can pick
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  Speaker 2: up any deck and read it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's actually a great suggestion, if I remember correctly,
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  Speaker 1: the right of way does even have like the associations
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  Speaker 1: on them, right, like they'll have like the planetary or
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  Speaker 1: things on them.
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  Speaker 2: It does not.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, for some reason I thought it did.
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  Speaker 2: So it doesn't have any of that on it. It
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  Speaker 2: literally just has like the number and the image. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, newer, newer versions do a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: versions you can get now actually have like the meanings
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  Speaker 2: written on them, which you know, I have.
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  Speaker 3: You said that. I'm like, I don't know if you
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  Speaker 3: should do that. Actually, maybe let you figure that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's you know, it depends on
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  Speaker 2: how you want to learn. It depends on how you
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  Speaker 2: learn the best, right. Like. It's interesting because I've been
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  Speaker 2: reading for so long and it's hard to even think
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  Speaker 2: back as to like how I learned because it just
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  Speaker 2: to been such a part of my life for such
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  Speaker 2: a long time. But there's there's multiple ways.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, do you no?
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  Speaker 1: You know, not everybody does this. Actually I think less
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  Speaker 1: people do it than I know. Do you attribute the
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  Speaker 1: cards to the cabalistic Tree of Life?
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not overly versed. Okay, that's yeah, something
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I know there are people that do.
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  Speaker 2: I have had discussions with some people that are that
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  Speaker 2: very much find those intersections, but that's not really part
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  Speaker 2: of my practice.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, no, that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: I honestly, because I know you seem to be more
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  Speaker 1: of like a witch instead of a ceremonial magician. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't expect you to be into.
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  Speaker 3: Not knocking you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I'm just yeah, yeah, not knocking you
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  Speaker 1: at all when I say that, So I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it that way.
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  Speaker 3: But I know I understand nice. Mm hmmm.
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  Speaker 1: Do you when it comes to like reading Taro, do
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  Speaker 1: you look at it from like a psychological standpoint as well? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah. I always say with Taro, you know, Taro
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  Speaker 2: is a sacred mirror it. You know, I don't necessarily
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  Speaker 2: work with Taro as a fortune teller. I think it
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  Speaker 2: can show us what's coming. It can give us, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it can give us things that we need to maybe
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  Speaker 2: pay more attention to take heed of. But Taro is
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  Speaker 2: always going to reflect the current energies and in that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you're in a place where you're like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I should take Path A or
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  Speaker 2: Path B. What we can do with Taro then is
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  Speaker 2: we can look at this and we can say, what
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  Speaker 2: would be the energy if I took Path A, what
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  Speaker 2: would be the energy if I took Path B? Right,
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  Speaker 2: And in that, it's gonna present roadblocks, It's gonna present
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  Speaker 2: things that may come with ease. It's gonna pull up
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  Speaker 2: some childhood shit, some shadow works, some stuff that needs
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  Speaker 2: to be looked at, parts of ourselves that maybe we
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  Speaker 2: don't want to face that maybe we're afraid to look at.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's the psychology of it all. It's gonna
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna show you what you need to be shown.
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  Speaker 2: It's really just up to you if you're ready to
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  Speaker 2: receive it.
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  Speaker 1: I totally agree. Nice, Thank you, thank you? What sorry?
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  Speaker 1: What other I know you mentioned? You know obviously the
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  Speaker 1: other deck, the right of Weight deck. What other ones
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  Speaker 1: do you do you work with? Besides that? That's actually
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  Speaker 1: just my own wondering.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I use the light Sears taro. I'm like looking
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  Speaker 2: at my collection right now. The light Sears Taro is
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  Speaker 2: one that I use pretty frequently, Flower Child Taro, the
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  Speaker 2: Pulp Taro, which I love, And then I just got
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  Speaker 2: a new deck the other day which has quickly become
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  Speaker 2: my favorite. It's called the Infinite Door by Pamela Love
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  Speaker 2: and her imagery is so cool. I will say, though,
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  Speaker 2: all of those decks are based off of the right way.
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  Speaker 2: So I am a bit of a traditionalist when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to TETO, and not everyone is right I am.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's my theater background, like I am. I feel, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think you know, I'm I'm a firm believer and
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  Speaker 2: when I teach, I am I'm a believer in knowing
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  Speaker 2: the meanings as they're intended and being very prepared before
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  Speaker 2: you read. For other people, I think you should be
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  Speaker 2: versed enough in the meanings that you're not going to
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  Speaker 2: get thrown right, like, And that's kind of that theater
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  Speaker 2: background of preparation, like if you stay ready, you don't
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  Speaker 2: have to get ready, kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Like that, if you stay ready, you don't have to
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  Speaker 3: get ready. What a concept.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I think your intuition comes in absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: and it's a big part of reading harrow, especially when
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  Speaker 2: you're looking at cards together versus just the individual card.
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  Speaker 2: But I am a stickler a little bit with that,
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  Speaker 2: with knowing the meanings. Uh So anyway, Yeah, I'm a
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  Speaker 2: Riderway Smith traditionalist a little bit. I still get it.
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  Speaker 2: My main deck that I use for client work always
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  Speaker 2: is the og. It's six it's literally sitting beside me
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  Speaker 2: at my table now it stays ready.
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  Speaker 1: I mean even with me, I'm not huge into taro,
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  Speaker 1: like I do use it and I think it's very important,
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  Speaker 1: especially like the way I use it for the Kabbala.
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  Speaker 1: I've only had the Magical Doorn deck, and then I
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  Speaker 1: I've bought another Golden door, magical Golden Doorn deck. I
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  Speaker 1: bought another Golden Doorn deck that I haven't touched, and
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  Speaker 1: I even have the Toaf deck that I haven't touched.
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  Speaker 1: Like I've literally just stuck with that one deck the
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  Speaker 1: whole time I've ever used.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the thing when you have one that
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  Speaker 2: really resonates with you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a reason, right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I've never even honestly, I've never even really
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  Speaker 2: delved in very much to the other the other tarots,
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  Speaker 2: just because I'm such a traditionalist.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, that's why I get it with me.
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  Speaker 1: They spoke to me enough that I was just like
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  Speaker 1: I felt like I just brought them because I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm supposed to have more than one tyro deck, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like, I don't know the other deck. I
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  Speaker 1: just enjoy looking at It's just easier for me. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, why am I going to try to relearn?
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  Speaker 1: Like I feel like I have to relearn. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: it's not have to explain.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe, well, yeah, totally. I mean I think that that's
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  Speaker 2: a big thing about a spiritual practice in general, you know,
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  Speaker 2: taro or anything like. It is about what finding what
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  Speaker 2: resonates and works for you. And that's why it's so
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  Speaker 2: personal and so it's it's your own unique individual path
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  Speaker 2: and the internet can be so gatekeepy and you know,
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  Speaker 2: and do it this way not that way, and this
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  Speaker 2: is wrong and don't do it like that. And I
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  Speaker 2: just think like, if it resonates for you, then that's
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  Speaker 2: what your men to do. That's what's supposed to you know,
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  Speaker 2: whatever gets you there.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I know what you're saying. I know what you're say. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you did mention. You mentioned it a few times about
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  Speaker 1: like you mentioned it before about being in a musical theater.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that the performance trains your intuition in
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  Speaker 1: any way, like reading a room, sensing emotion, understanding simples
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  Speaker 1: and archetypes. Do you think that helped you along your
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  Speaker 1: path to do what you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Yes on yeah, and I you know, I still perform.
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  Speaker 2: I have a.
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  Speaker 3: Nice Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's actually Lee in Tune is because I, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in tune with intuition, but I also am a singer,
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  Speaker 2: so that's kind of where the name came from. It's
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  Speaker 2: this like all encompassing umbrella. So yeah, I perform usually
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  Speaker 2: like two or three times a week. I have a
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  Speaker 2: standing contract with Hilton Hotels, so I do like private
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  Speaker 2: dinners for them here in Myrtle Beach. So it's really
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  Speaker 2: interesting to kind of like parallels of what I do.
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  Speaker 2: It is all about reading the room, all about reading
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  Speaker 2: the person you're with, reading their energy, being able to pivot,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: being able to be on your feet, and you know, yeah,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it's all about energy,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: and it's all about vibes and preparation again, being prepared
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: and knowing your shit. You know, like people are coming
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: to you for a service, whether it's performing or reading
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: their cards. They're coming to me because they trust that
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: I am an expert in what I'm doing. That's why
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: they're coming. And so it is my job to show
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: up in that capacity and to perform to the best
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: of my ability, be it reading, terror or performing.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I think between the performance and I think it might've
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: been something I came across of you. I was kind
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: of dealing with gross and loss and grief. That really
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: helped you kind of like really find I guess put
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: all your stuff into him really will, like really everything
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: came to.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I you know, like I said, I've been on
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: this path forever. But when I was thirty two, I
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: had a miscarriage and it's okay, it was actually you know,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: at the time it was very painful, but it was
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: the catalyst for my path totally switching. And through that,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: through the healing of that, you know, I'd lost my mom,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: and I've lost a lot of people, especially for how
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: young I am and how young I.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Am youself on the back, Yeah.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: For my age, I've lost a lot of people. And I,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: for a very long time, drank it away. I smoked
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: it away, did I didn't feel it. I was like
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: a party girl through and.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Through well honesty, I respect.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so when the miscarriage happened, I was at
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: a crossroads and I was like, Okay, the way I've
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: been dealing with this shit is not working. I can
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: either choose to heal it. I can feel it and
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I can work through it, or I can continue down this.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm not going to say destructive. Like I
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: was overall a relatively stable person, but I felt like
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: I was on a hamster wheel. It was like anytime
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I kind of got my feet underneath me, if something happened,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: I would just kind of like throw myself into the
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: party of it all. And you know, so I was like,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: it's time for a change, and so I thought I
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: was going to a yoga class. It ended up being
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: a chakra alignment. I didn't even know what a chakra was,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: and like it just totally catapulted me onto this path.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: And so that was four years ago now, and in
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: that time, I became a reiki master, an energetic sound healer,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: opened I am a co owner of a brick and
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: mortar healing space in downtown Myrtle Beach. Yeah That's where
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I'm at right now, and started free veils paranormal. So
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: it was always the path I was meant to be on,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: but it took what I call tower moments, speaking of
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: the tower in Tarot. It took a tower moment to
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: shake me loose and to shift my path, and so
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I'm very grateful. I'm grateful for that loss. It was painful,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: but it was the catalyst of the shift of my
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: entire life.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: You know, I kind of had like an experience. I mean,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: obviously not like yours, but where I had started like
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: really questioning what the fuck am I doing? You know,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: where am I going? I ended up. You know, I'm
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: not the great pillar of the community as everyone may
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: think I was, but I am. But I ended up
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: doing two years in federal prison and yeah, selling steroids
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: online to believe it or that. Yeah, so that's how
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: became federal because I was mailing it. But you know,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I was at that, you know, at one time, you know,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: in a long time ago it's piping, about twenty years
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: or whatever. I was a drug addict. I was a
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: dope fiend, pibe about five or six years, and eventually,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: you know, I whatever, I got clean. But like you know,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I started just when I was sitting in prison, I
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: was like, all right, you could sit here and maybe
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I argue, like, yes, you know, shit with the government,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: maybe certain things shouldn't be illegal and they're overreaching, but
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: it's like I still knew what I was doing. I
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: knew the outcome, and I'm just like wondering, like, you know,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: was I I don't. I just started looking at myself
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: and being like, you know, how sick am I really?
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: And I'm just doing it in different ways or.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Just certain things.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I found myself sitting in prison and like I was
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: blaming like the kid who told on me. I had
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: all these like thoughts, you know, fuck them up, gets something,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: all this crazy shit, and I'm like, if I wasn't
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: doing what I was doing, he couldn't have told on me,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: though I don't know. And then and when I got
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: out of jail, I just I literally be, I don't know,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: something snapped while I was in prison, and I just
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: like even my frame of thought once somewhere else, I
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: started reading more of like spiritual and like you know,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: cult books. So I was in there. There's actually tons
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: of cult books in Joie, at least the one I
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: was in. And yeah, it was just something changed and
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I kind of like was like I got to fix
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: my fucking head. Like just because I put down dope
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean I'm sober minded, you know that's right?
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, ye yep.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: So you know again, it might have been a little
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: bit of different of yours. But you know something you
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: know did definitely kind of turn in my way of thinking.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta change.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, it was it was your tower moment.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: It had to happen. It's you know, that's the tower
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: in Tarot, It's the sixteenth card, and it's this energy
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: where sometimes it feels like things come out of left field,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: out of our control. Sometimes we want to pretend they
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: were out of our control, but really it's something that
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: we brought on ourselves and they it's it's the moment
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: in life that shake you down to the foundation, and
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: it's a test. It's a test to see how strong
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: that foundation is, right, Like, what kind of foundation are
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: you walking on? If it's wonky, Honey, You're gonna feel
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: it when those when those moments come through, right because
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: they're they're gonna happen. They're the inevitable things that happen
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: in life. It's deaths, divorces, job losses, jail time. I mean,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: it's that kind of shit that comes in and shakes you.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: And those are the those are the tests, Those are
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: the tests of your character. Those are the tests of
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: your perseverance and your strength and so I always say
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: when people come to me in the middle of a
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: tower moment, somebody going through a divorce or somebody that's
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: just gone through a loss, you know, I'm like, let's
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: look for the light. The star follows the tower, which
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: is all about hope and the light at the end
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: of the tunnel. So how are we going to fix
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: the foundation? How are we going to rebuild? Right? Are
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: you going to rebuild another tower? Are we going to
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: make a cute little cottage a mansion? Like what do
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: you want it to look like? We have to switch
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: the thinking. It can be why did this happen to me?
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: It has to be why is this happening for me?
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: And how can I move differently from here?
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Now I can remember, it was like so like almost
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: like vivid. It's like, I don't know if you've ever
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: known much about prison, but I was even in the
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Shoe special housing unit, and that's like prison for people
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: in prison, like you had to do something up. My
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: excuse for being my reason for being in there was
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: totally fucking retarded. I sent an email to my brother
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: mentioning a few people that I was in prison with
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: that were famous, and they considered that like a breach
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: of security or some shit and threw me in the shoe.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: They were fucking with me because even moving story short,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: eventually when I saw the sergeant and they went over this,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: They're like, why are you in here?
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know, you guys put me in.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: He's like, this is stupid.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I'll get you out today. But like, you know, the guy,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: the guy, the guy George Young from a Blow, the
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: movie Blow. I was in prison with him, so like
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I was telling him that. And there was like a
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: guy from the Yankees that I was in there with,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: and some senator from fucking I think Massachusetts, you know.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: So I told him that and like I'm sick. I am,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: like I actually was really sick. I'm in a shoe.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I'm in there with somebody that I'm almost pretty sure
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: was a pedophile. And I'm like laying like on my
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: bunk like sick is ship in the shoe And I'm like, Yo,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: what the fuck happened?
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: I'm like, how am I here right now?
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm in prison for people, in prison
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: with a fucking creep underneath me.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Like fuck. I was like, yo, I gotta change something
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: that something isn't.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Got right, that's a tower moment.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah there, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, thank you,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: thank you.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Made it through.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Yes, I did.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: You did mention the chakras and the raikie. I did
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: want to kind of get into that. I don't know
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: what you one you want to maybe talk about first.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I'm interested in learning about I guess some both of
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: them are how you got involved in them.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so our body is full of chakras. I could
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: not tell you the full amount, but you know, in yeah,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: in spirituality, in reiki, I usually deal with the seven
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: main which go from the base of the spine to
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: the top of the head and very quickly. Base of
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: spine is root chakra. That is all of our feelings
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: around safety and stability and money, and that's the first
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: one formed. So a lot of our childhood trauma lives
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: in the root chakra. If we didn't feel safe, if
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: we felt abandoned, if you know any of that, if
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: our safety was threatened as a child, that lives in
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: that root chakra. We move up to the sacral that's
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: in our womb space that's all about our creativity and
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: our passion. We moved to the solar plexus that's right
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: above our belly button. That's where our confidence and self
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: worth live. Then our heart, and our heart is the
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: bridge shock growth. There's three below, three above, so if
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: that heart is blocked, usually everything's a little wonky, right.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: And the heart is of course about compassion and grace
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: and love. Throat chakra. Throat is all about expressing your
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: wants and needs and desires, but also listening with intent.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Then we move into the brow chakra, which is your
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: third eye. So that's all about your intuition and discernment,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: your inner wisdom, trusting yourself. And then, last but not least,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: we have the crown chakra, which is your connection to spirit, God,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: a higher power. So those seven chakras are kind of
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: the building blocks of you really, and when we have trauma,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: when we have you know, certain things happen to us
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: that get stored in our body. And so what I
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: do as a raking master and this is you know,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: this is also like I said, all practices are unique
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: for me as a raking master. One of my main
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: things that I do through my reiki practice with my
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: clients is work to clear the blockages that are in
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: the chakra system so that we have more of an
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: energetic flow because when things are flowing, things are going
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like we got we're going
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: to feel in the flow. If we're all blocked up,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: we feel that stagna energy. So yeah, that's very quick rundown.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: So you know what's funny. I was going to ask.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, maybe I could get it to kind
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: of go over the chakras real quick. And I'm like,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: it's like two months to ask her to explain, and
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: you did it on your own. That's also, thank you,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I hope, no, no, no, that was great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: When you silly question, I mean I'm sure you probably
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: you may say. Yeah, though, when you focus and do
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: your own work on your own body, do you actually
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: feel those chakras?
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, I've said that before on my own show, but
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: like I don't know, Like again, like some of my
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: listeners like don't even practice, but they're interested in this stuff.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: They're you know, I have a lot of newbies as well, and.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, I probably think I'm crazy because if
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I'm the only person who ever says that on the show,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: you know, but yeah, I'm glad you could feel like
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: a spinning bowl sometimes for me, like literally it almost
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: like the Tasmanian devil's spinning around.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Well, right, it's the Sanskrit word for a wheel, you know,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: So that's what a chakra is. And when I you know,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: for me, when I'm doing reiki and when I'm working
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: on myself or clients, I always picture them almost as
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: like uh, cogs in a watch like that, kind of
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: like a you know what I mean, Like that's what
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: they look like for me, or sometimes like little tornadoes,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Like it just depends, you know, whatever you want to visualize.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: But I find that like blockages and chakras can really
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: present in physical ways. Like if you're having a lot
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: of headaches, that can mean maybe we're having some blockages
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: in the crown or the third eye. If we're having
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: a lot of stomach aches, that can be you know,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: let's check in with our self worth where are we
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: at with that? Like back aches, lower back especially, which
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: is a big one for me, Like let's look at
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: our root chakra, let's look at our feelings around money,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: around safety, around stability, like are we feeling like ungrounded?
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: So sometimes even if you're not in tune with the
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: chakra system, if you're in tune enough with your body.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: It all kind of goes hand in hand.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know something interesting that you're saying, like even
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: just thinking about going from like the throat to the stomach.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: And when I start getting into this film like a
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: science nerdy aspect, I'm not trying to disminish magic at all.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Some people I think take that from and that's not.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: But like I've even you know, thinking like if you're
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: saying there's blockages or issues, there's even on my show,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I started covering like herbs that would be used in
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: magic and witchcraft and stuff. But I looked at it
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: as you know, I also covered what they would normally
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: be used for in their associations, and then I looked
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: at it as how they affected our twelve cranial nerves
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: and our vegas nerve does go from our throat down
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: to our stomach. So I'm like, I'm wondering now when
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: you're saying like blockages, there was certain herbs that would
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: actually affect your vegas nerve and help relax, like your
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: stomach are certain areas. So I'm like wondering, like now,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: like if you have one of those blockages, could you
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: like literally like maybe actually use some sort of aromatherapy,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I one of the ones that affects your vegas, nerve
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: or your stomach and will help.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Fix that blockage.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it kind of sounds like a nerdy
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: way of you know, looking at it.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: But no, no, totally. I mean you're I will find
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you too. And a lot of my clients,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: if they're sacral chakra is blocked, their throat is probably
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: blocked because they are so connected, right that womb space
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: and your throat, the you know, the desire that's those
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: are both areas of desire, voicing what you desire, being feeling,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: worthy of pleasure, feeling you know, it's all tied together.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: And each shop is represented by a color, which means
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: you know that that it can also be aroma therapy.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Bergamott is orange. That's sacral chakra, right, so it all
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: ties in.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Nice nice Yeah.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, that I would say, like you acknowledge
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: like the colors and associations that go with that.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if I have, If I have clients that come,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: my I love when I have clients that come like
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: on a monthly basis and we can really kind of
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: get into the nitty gritty and really, you know, get
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: some deep work done. And when they come with a
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: bunch of chakras blocked, I'm telling them like, eat these foods,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: focus on these aroma therapies, do you know, chant sing go,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: stand in the grass, like giving them kind of tangible
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: everyday things that they can do to help and to
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: get them open.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Nice. And how long have you been doing Ricky for
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: You might have said it already and I.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: About three years.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been raking Master for probably two and a half.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: But I actually had that done once, and I do
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: swear I believe that worked.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: I even went with like very skeptical woo woo shit.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: But like my friend was bringing me there, like I
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: was just like wait, like no offense. I'm like, you
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: don't seem like you're crazy, so maybe you know, maybe this.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I was like, maybe there is something here, you know whatever.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: You seem like a well adjusted.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was like, maybe this isn't nuts.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I feel great.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Actually, honestly, people will be like, oh you okay, that's weird.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: What's funny though, how that can actually change someone's perspective
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: though it might actually make them open because like, oh, well,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: you know, she's not crazy.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think that I have found for me.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: You know. I when I kind of made this switch
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: from you know, into the world of the woo woo,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: I guess I did not like start over any of
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: my social media's. I just kind of like switched over
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: my content. So it's interesting the way, especially you know,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: I live in the Bible Belt, honey, like I. Yeah,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: And so it's been an interesting kind of thing to
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: become almost like a bridge for a lot of people
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: that I've known growing up or you know, and they
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: like a lot of girls that I went to high
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: school with that were you know, cheerleaders and super popular.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: They'll like come to me now and be like, so
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I've always been kind of scared of taro, but if
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: you do it, it can't be scary, you know. It's
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: like they it's kind of been like I've been a
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: kind of a bridge for people, Yeah, which is it's
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: an honor. You know, it's want to like make it
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: approachable because it's not scary at all. It's like because
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: there's a devil card, all of a sudden, it's demonic
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: and it's like, no, honey, that devil card is speaking
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: about you thinking about the devil. Okay, the devil is
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: about our humanness.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I've tried to say that before on the show. I'm like, yo,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: man or you know, human can make this planet a
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: living hell if they want to.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Yep, you know, for somebody else. Unfortunately.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, one thing I did want to ask you,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: and it's it's funny. It was actually a question that
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I had that I wanted to make sure I asked.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: And you've brought up the tower cards so many times
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: on your own. What do you think is one of
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: the misunderstood things about the tower card? About the tower card, Yeah,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: the tower card is Yeah, I might have said tower
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: because of my accent. Tower card.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think that the people assume that the
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: tower card has to be a death, a divorce, a
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: huge shift, and it can represent that, but it can
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: also just represent like a crumbling of belief systems, right
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: like if you are starting to look at something in
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: a different way. If you know, you are in a
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: friendship and you thought one person was one way and
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: they turn out to be another way, the tower car
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: can pop up. So it's really it's you know, while
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: it can be representative of those big life events. You know,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: if if you pull the tower and it's like a
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: regular ass day and you're not going through anything crazy,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: you can be like, what is that about? Well? Where
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: do I need to maybe look at how I'm navigating?
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Like how could I perhaps approach something from a different way?
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: How could I, you know, rewrite the narrative if I
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: need to. I think that it can. It can be
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: more nuanced than it just be, you know, like it
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: can mean those huge things, but it can also just
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: mean maybe there's some narratives that need shifting.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: No, I like that. I like that.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's my favorite car one of them, is it?
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah? It is? Yeah, I love it. I think it
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: wakes you up, you know. I like the ones that
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: people are scared of.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: That's funny, I swear I had.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: One of my next questions was going to be what
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: cards do you think a lot of people fear that
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: you don't see that way?
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, of course death And if I have
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: a nickel, Yeah, if I had a nickel, for every
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: time I was like starting or reading, people were like,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: just don't pull death, Like, oh, you know, like but
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: within tarot death means that could.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Be really good.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Actually, exactly. My catchphrase for death in Tarot is you
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: need a new couch, and you can't get a new
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: couch unless you get rid of the old ratty ass couch.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: You can't have two couches. Right. So with death, it's
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: about the things that we have clung to that we've
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: maybe felt were defining us. Right, It's it's like let
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: it go, move on, Like death is coming in to
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: let you know, like it's the end. It's the end
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: of the cycle. And that's a beautiful thing because it's
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: making room. Sometimes we feel so stuck and we want
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: so desperately for something new to come, but we don't
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: have room for it. Like you got to clear out
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: the couch, You gotta clean out the closet so we
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: can make some room for something new to come in.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: So that's death then, like I said, with the Devil,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: people see that they're terrified. The devil is about you.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: It's about the devil on your shoulder. It's about temptations, vices, addictions.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: It's about cycles that we're clinging to or stuck in.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: It's about complacency and comfort zones, you know. It's about
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: like the things that, yeah, the things that you need
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: to break the chains. My thing with that's is always
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: the chain by Fleetwood Mac. If you don't love me now,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: you don't never love me again, Like break the chain.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: It's toxicity of some kind. But it's not you know,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: not going to have like a demon popping up in
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: your bedroom because you pulled the devil card. It's all yeah,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: it's all just you.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Know, even on some terrible.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Religious Yes, yes, I agree with I agree, I know,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I totally agree.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: I totally agree that.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Even with deck card, depending on what deck, some of
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: the people that are even chained up, you can even
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: tell that the chains is so loose by their hands.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: You could take that all.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: You sure can.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: It's like, yo, it's an illusion that's got you.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Exactly. It's like looking at where have I given control away?
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: I'm telling myself that I'm not in control because that's
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: easier than facing the fact that I am in control
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: and can make the change. I'd rather believe that someone
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: else is in control because that lets me off the hook.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: But the devil is like, no, honey, you can change it.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: You just have to have the balls to do it yourself.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Even sometimes depending on what dick you're looking at, how
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: he's like almost like standing on a podium. It's like, God, damnit,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: that's just fucking today, man, Yeah, scary down.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: I'm like, fuck, man, is that now you didn't see
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: the future?
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that emperor in reverse is popping up a lot now.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: The emperor has no clothes.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Honey, oh boy, oh oh? What card do you think
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: represents your own life path right now? Like?
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: What are you going through right now?
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: That you know?
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: I have to be two persons?
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: No, I love that question. That's a good one. I'm
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: kind of I'm kind of I'm always in my high
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: priestess energy right just with what I do for a living,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: I'm like always kind of living in that high priestess
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: mystical being, that kind of bridge between spirit and you know, reality,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: I guess. But I think on a personal level, I
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: am in between like my Empress and hermit face. I'm
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: a mom, so I have a two year old and yeah,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: and so that's kind of you know, that eternal mother energy.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: I'm also a tourist and that always gets yeah. And
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: then the hermit, you know, I'm a life path nine
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: and the hermit is about going within in her wisdom
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: shadow work, and so I'm kind of always on that path.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: I think I'm also an only child, so shot herman
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: energy speak.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, it's funny about you. I don't know.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Maybe the tower actually we love it, love it, ye know.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I'm just like given to my personal life even with
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: the podcast and just I've been a lot of fucking
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of ship has changed and realize that I've
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: even believed like illusions for a pretty long fucking time.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's some moon energy too.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but uh, it's funny.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: When you said high Priest this first, I was like, damn,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I would have shot straight for the Empress, just to
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: be like, you know, she's in there too.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know said.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: I was like, nice, Yeah, I can't choose between them.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: I like to kind of ride that line.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Well, I was like, she's kind of like the top chick,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: So I was like, I just just to say that
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: to pray and be like she is.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll take it.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: No, that's that's a gangster card. It might even I agree.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Nice. Uh, all right, let me see I do you
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: have I might have some more on reiki that I
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: didn't really ask.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, now do you do you do you do sound
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: healing too?
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: That is all right, do you mind?
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but just'll spend a little bit of time
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: about me explaining that, because I don't think I've never
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: had anybody off for that.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm an energetic sound healer, which means I'm
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: certified in energetic sound therapy. So while you know you
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: see sound baths everywhere where people lay down and they
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: play the bulls like around them with like a gong,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: I work with bowls that sit directly on the body.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: So you come in for a session the same way
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: you would for reiki. You know, you lay on the table,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: but I'm placing the bulls physically on the body. And
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: I always describe it like it's like intensely relaxing. It
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: sends these vibrations deep into a cellular level. And if
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: you think about it, you know, we're all water. So
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: when you put water inside one of these bowls and
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: you hit it, it literally creates sacred geometry within the water.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: It's aligning yourselves. It's aligning you on a molecular level.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: So when these bowls are placed on the body, I
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: describe it as like a jackhammer on concrete. I find
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: it to be very healing for men, especially like I mean,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: it's healing for everybody, but for some reason, men, I guess,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: just because it's so tangible, men really respond to it,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: like and so I have a lot of my male
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: clients are really into it. So yeah, I have been
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: a sound healer for a little over a year. That's
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: like my newest kind of addition to my spiritual tool belt,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: and I love it. It has enhanced my own practice
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: tenfold because when I am doing a session, I'm also
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: reaping the benefits, which is amazing, right, and that it's
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: that way with everything, but with the sound, it just
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: feels like I guess because I'm a Taurus and I
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: love that kind of like tangible earth energy. It just
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: feels very very tangible. That's like the best way I
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: can describe it. Like you can feel it, touch it,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: hear it. It's it's kind of this all encompassing practice
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: where with reiki, you know, it's it's all energy and
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: it's gentle and the and the energy flows where it goes.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: And but I yeah, I think it's a really beautiful,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: really impactful form of metaphysical therapy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: been it's been pretty cool to watch the kind of
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: like progression of clients that have come to me for
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: for sound healing. Now, I just had a client right
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: before this who she's on her like eighth or ninth session,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: and she when she came in, I mean she was
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: literally like a ball of tears and every chakra was
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: blocked and like and today every chakra is open, and
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: it's almost it's like watching her move to the other side.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: It's just a really beautiful process that I'm honored to witness.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know that stuff. Uh, I totally believe
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: it works. It's interesting that you said, you know, men
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: seem to respond to it a lot. I have, Like,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: you know, I love the music. I've listened to it before.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: But like one time I was at an event in Florida.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: It was some Bigfoot events. Somehow I found myself down
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: and it didn't really fit in at all, and I
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: had a table and there was a chick there at
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: the other side though, that was actually doing those singing
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: bulls and like yo, I tell you, like anytime she
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: went and did those things for somebody, it's just like
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: it just like it grabbed my I was like, oh,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: and like I like listened to be like, oh, what's
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: coming next.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Like I wanted to hear it myself too.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: It's very it was just for some reason, very captivating
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: to start to hear, and like she had the good
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: real ones, so like that shit, I was just like, wow,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: that sounds beautiful.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they really are. They're so beautiful. It's yeah, well,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: our brain responds to those different frequencies, right, Like you're
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: you're a science nerd, you know, you.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Know, it's funny you're talking about this, And I was like, yo,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I gotta se if there's any academics stuff on this.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Actually, I was like it's this guy.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: I was like this might be a good topic.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: A lot sound healing, Yeah, and I find it's a
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: really beautiful compliment to reiki, Like the two go together
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: really well. I do a lot. I have an offering
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: called the tune Up actually, and that is kind of
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: half reiky half sound it. Yeah, we got the tune
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Up money and that's what it is. It's an energetic
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: tune up, you know. And and the two together just
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: really are a nice compliment.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: No, it makes sense. Yeah, that's what with the reiki
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: and this this sound stuff. I honestly figured it probably
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: went hand in hand with like your services or like
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: just complimented each other, like you said, for sure, Yeah
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: that is cool. And how long have you been doing
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: that for?
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: I think you might have said it just a little
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: over a year.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, nice? Nice?
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah you having fun with it?
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I love it. I since we got this space,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: you know, the cool part. I was working out of
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: my home for a little while, about a year and
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: a half, two years, and then we got this space,
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: and it's just been incredible. The amount of growth and
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: the consistency of clients has been really amazing, you know,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: like you know, when you work out of your home, people,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: at least for me, I found it wasn't as consistent.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: People didn't come on a monthly basis the way they
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: do here. And so it's been really cool to have
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: like these consistent clients now since we've had this space
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: and really see the progression. And you know, of course
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: have to do work outside of here too, it has
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: to be you know, it's teamwork for sure, but that's
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: been kind of the coolest part. And I have found
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: that the sound I got my sound certification about a
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: month after we opened this space, so they've kind of
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: grown together. Yeah, so I found that the sound has
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: been a really beautiful addition.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I, like I said, it makes total sense
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: to be I mean, why not you know, I did
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: want to ask, like, since you have Taro, you have reiki,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: and then this sound, do you think those all three
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: might separately kind of impact the person in their own
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: separate ways.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yes, I you know if i'm you know,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: I have an offering that's all three. You know, you
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: can come and get your reading, get reiki, get sound.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: It's called the triple threat. And I think Taro, like
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: you said in the beginning, is so psychological. And I
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: always start with Taro because for me as a practitioner,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: it kind of guides where the Reikian sound will go.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Because with Taro, we're getting down to the nitty gritty.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: We're having like the real conversations, right, You're letting me
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: know what the fuck is up, Like what is going on?
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: What do we want to change, what do we want
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: to keep? What? And so from there, you know, we
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: get clarity, and then we go in in the mind,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: and then we go into the body. You know what
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, It's it's this kind of mind, body, soul,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: all encompassing thing. So yeah, I think I think you
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: get I think you get individual things from each and
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: then I think the three together can be really transformative
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: and powerful.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: No, that's how That's kind of how I looked at
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: it when I you know, when I realized, like, you know,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: this is everything that you were doing and kind of
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: so each one is like a almost like you said,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: a different attack. Yeah, yeah, to like really like again,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: like the sound is going to be frequency, the cards
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: are going to be psychological, you know, and then the
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: rates it's actually like a multi layered tweaking.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: Kind of And I was like, that's impressive.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, even like scientifically, I could see a lot of
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: shit going on in the person.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all going together.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been It's impressive.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: It's been a cool thing to kind of explore and
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: discover and see, you know, as a practitioner, how it
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: flows best for me. And you know, that's the cool
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: part is like I write my own rules when it
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: comes to it. I get to decide what feels good,
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: and that is the perk of doing this work. Is
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: like you can come to me and get a tarot reading,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: a reiki healing, a sound healing, and then you could
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: go to somebody else and get the same three things,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: and it's going to be totally different and it's gonna
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: you're gonna get different things out of it, and it
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to even be a comparisan, right Like, that
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: is the beauty full part of this work. It's so
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: personal and the way it's going to impact you is
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: so personal and different. I have people to come in
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: for reiki and I say, if if all that happens
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: today is you took an hour to lay on a
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: table and turn your phone off, Hell yeah, you know
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: what I mean. If that is, if that is what
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: you walk away with, great, then I have other people
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: that I'm like, if you feel like you just got
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: off a wooden roller coaster or you feel like you're
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: floating on the ceiling, like that's a thing too, you know,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: and you never know. I don't know how you're going
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: to feel or how it's going to affect you, but
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: there's no downside. If the least that happens is you
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: just get an an hour to relax, then hell yeah,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Day and age, we all
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: needed an hour to unplug.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: So oh, I totally agree. That's a that's an improvement
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: right there. For real for most people, especially with like
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: social media and stuff people attached of phones. That's a breakthrough.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: That's a lot.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Even just the fact that because of the podcast, I
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: have to use social media, like you know, that's how
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: I booked you. Oh man, if I didn't have to
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: use that, I only ever be on that tell you
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: the truth.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: I know, I know that's been such a learning curve
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: for me to I feel like I'm it's a full
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: time job in itself, you know, just trying to market
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: yourself and be a grow your following and your platform,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: and like it's it's a other thing like.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just just wondering because I you know, thinking
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: now that you're into like the sound bowls, oh you know,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: like the Crystal Bals, do you think like hymns and
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: mantras and maybe like drums and chants that you think
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: that all looks kind of like a affecting the person
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: but maybe in a different way, Like do you see
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: them all kind of like in the same area kind of.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I mean, I I'm a firm
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: believer in you know, frequencies and what you put out
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: is what comes back, and so you know, chanting drums,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: any sort of sound therapy at all, I think is
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: going to have a similar effect. Right, It's all about
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: raising the frequency, getting your body on that level, getting
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: your mind everything on that level, and then if we're
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: at that higher frequency, then that's what we're attracting. So
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: it all kind of goes hand in hand. I think
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in mantras, big believer in affirmations.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, affirmations for me are a huge part of
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: my practice. Yeah, repetition, repetition thoughts become.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: Things you do. You use sigils.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Occasionally, yeah, occasionally, you know, I have I practice lamor
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: magic that like part of my own personal practice and
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: so on my glamour magic altar, I have a candle
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: of sigils that I drew into it. But yeah, I
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: don't I don't know. I think my witchcraft journey is interesting.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: I certainly practice, but I'm not I'm maybe not as
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: witchy quote unquote as I think.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: I know what you again, I think I am.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I do have an altar space, I do
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: have sigils but I that I use. But I also
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not like, you know, constantly practicing witchcraft where I
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: like have a cauldron in candles and stuff like, I
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: don't know. I think it's more for me. It's more
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: of like an embodied practice.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah that makes sense, it goes along with you.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I guess your that you have that, Yeah, yourself, I
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: totally I know what you get in there for sure.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: For sure, I'm pretty much the same way. Yeah. One thing,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize how long we went on, only because
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: there was like so many questions I wanted to ask
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: about all this other stuff. Do you mind if maybe
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: we spend like maybe ten or fifteen minutes talking about
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: the ghost go something or something.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Like that, or if not, okay, talk about ghost day
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: I just I didn't want to hold your hostage like,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: oh god, like you know it's almost.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: I have to be done by four thirties.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Oh no, no where?
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah no, yep, that's perfect. We'll be done before then.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So what got you into?
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Obviously we know that you're into the paranormal from young
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: but like, what was it that got into like I'm
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: going to go go something now?
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Okay? Well I got to give a shout out to
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: O G. Ghost Hunters sci Fi.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I watched the favorite.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Hawes and Grant, Like I watched that series from the
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: time it came out, it was like two thousand and
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: two thousand and three. Yeah, I was obsessed with Steve,
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: like I was gonna marry him like that, like for real,
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: I was in in it. So I gotta give credit
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: where credits due. Okay, like ghost when was Sci Fi Network,
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: but I that's where it started. And then from there,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: you know, it was all the ghost shows Paranormal State.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: I was.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, yeah, like the early early ghost shows. Never
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: been a ghost of Country's Girl, but yeah. And so
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: I became a ghost tour guide in Minneapolis. I lived
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: in Minneapolis for about a year and a half and
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: I was a ghost tour guide there on Saint Anthony Maine,
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: which is the oldest street in Minneapolis, and it's like
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: the oldest string of brick buildings in the city. And
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: on that ghost tour, we gave everyone that came on
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: the tour their own paranormal investigation kit, so they had
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: an EMF detector, dowsing rods, a flashlight, and maybe something
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: else that might be it. And so on the tour
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: there was the guide, the tour historian, and a medium
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: and so that was kind of my first time actively
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: goes tunning while also running the tour, so it was
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: kind of, you know, double duty, kind of learning as
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: I went. And it's also my first time working closely
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: with a medium, which was really cool. And now my
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: business partner's a medium, so you know all of that. Yeah,
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: who's also in my paranormal group. So yeah, that was
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: kind of my first foray and then it just became
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: a passion. And when I met Brooke, my business partner,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: she also shared the same passion and she's an evidential
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: medium in psychic and she she catches the coolest evidence, dude,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: Like she has some of the best video I've ever
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: seen from like random tours she goes on. It's crazy,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Like I'll have to send you some of it. Like
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: I've never seen such clear video of spirit than what
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: she captures. And so yeah, when we kind of got together,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: we were like, we should start a thing, and so
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: we did. And so last year we went to Virginia
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: to investigate. This year we're hosting a paranormal retreat in Savannah,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: so it's a women's only retreat in July.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: We're investigating.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're investigating the Savannah Theater in the Currell weaed house.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: We have private investigations of both of those. So yeah,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: we're pumped. So everybody that comes on the retreat gets
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: their own paranormal kit to keep. But we also were
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: teaching not only investigative tactics, and you know, I am
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: like science based when I investigate, very much a debunker
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: from the get go, like I want to Yeah, I
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: want to eliminate everything that it could possibly be before
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: my brain takes me to its parents.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: That's very much ghost Aventures, I mean ghost hunters ghost Hunters, Yes.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: Yes, ghost Aventure is completely opposite direction.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: No ghost Hunters, I remember, and I think that's why
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: I respected the show is that they were trying to
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: figure out, like, all right, how is this actually maybe
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: happening naturally before we start seeing it?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the cool part is though, with my with
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: my business partner being a medium, the thing that we
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: kind of bring to the table that not everybody does
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: is we follow these investigative tactics that are science based,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: but we also have the intuitive side of it. So
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: it's this kind of best of both worlds energy. So
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: at the retreat, not only will we be investigating with
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: our equipment and everything, but We're also going to kind
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: of teach how to tap in and about psychic protection
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: and you know how we can go into these spaces
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: and make sure that we're not taking anything back with us.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: So this is kind of all encompassing thing, which is
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: really beautiful because I've always I always feel like I
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: kind of walked that line in the middle of you know,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: investigator and intuitive and so we're kinda we're just stay
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: on the line.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: I guess nice.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: That is awesome. What kind of equipment do you use?
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Well, we are a big fan of the Esta method.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: I love the Estus methods box. Yes, this method, Yeah,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: where you use the headphones and the have you seen
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: that what is it called that blindfold? Good gosh is
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: bord and use the spirit box to communicate. So big
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: fan of that. We have run pods, yeah, all of it.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: You know. I also always pull taro always uh uh
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: investigations to start. So I use tarot as a tool
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: for investigation as we're moving through the night, like if
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: we feel stuck on what direction to go, were kind
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: of like what to ask. So tarot, you know, is
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: a big tool for me on investigations.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Also, that is.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: Cool bringing taro, Yeah, have you ever seen.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Those other things where they put like the headphones on
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: and then they'll put like those kind of almost like
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: ping pong bowl things around their face and the flashes
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: like the red light.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Yes I have. I have not done that. But the
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: do you know who Greg and Dana Newkirk are.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a huge fan. I'm trying to get them all.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Have you seen yeah? Oh my god, Oh have you
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: seen Hellier?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I love Heller out who they were.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they they do that, that's one of their experiments.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: I have not done that. I would love to, but
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: I I'm not sure if that's something for sailor if
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: they made that. I've seen it.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: I think some people kind of figure out to make it,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: because I haven't yet. I haven't come across like, oh,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: you know, buy this. You know. The reason I even
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: brought that up is in and you know, I was
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: covering this as I was looking into this stuff. I
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: don't think I was like realizing fully until I started
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: putting it together, and then I was like, I was like,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: I hope people don't like think I'm saying this to
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: discredit it. But the weird thing is about that setup.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: I did an episode recently hasn't dropped yet that was
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: on like the effects of flickering lights, candles, or even
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: staring at flames of certain lights on your brain and
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: what it will start to do. And when it comes
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: to a flickering candle, believe it or not. And even
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: if you were to take a strobe light and I
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: can get it to ten hurts, which is ten flashes
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: a second. Everybody doesn't matter man, woman, what country, and
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: wherever you are. If you do that to somebody and
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: their eyes are closed, they will all start to exhibit
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: seeing the same specific images, which is really weird, like spirals,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: checkered floors, certain geometric shapes, so they're assuming that that's
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: something inside, Like you've got to be tapping into something
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: inside everybody's head with that. So then like that mask
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: was also included in some of the research studies I
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: was showing, and that will make you hallucinate ship regardless.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, do those people who
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: use it when they're doing that stuff paranormal wise, No,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: that's gonna happen regardless. Like I just realized, like, fuck,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: I hope people take it that way.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't never tried it.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was like.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, like E m DR therapy uses
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: the splashing lines to like retrain the brain, So.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Damn it, I should I should have threw that in there.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: You can do you want to come back?
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, edit, I could edit the audio. I'm not doing
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: the video. Yeah, I'll throw it into the audio at
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: the end given the credit. That's cool though, that's yeah,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: that's what. And how many you've done a few investigations.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, we we did the Bellamy Mansion in Wilmington,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: North Carolina, the Blue Ball in which was what it
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: was called in Virginia, which was a really interesting place.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: And yeah, we I've done a lot of investigations outside
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: of Three Veils. We just started about a year ago.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: And our our third member is a teacher, so she
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: does our tech and she's amazing, but it does make
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: our availability a little difficult. It has to be, you know,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: and with the toddler and everything. So yeah, we're on
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: the docket. We have the two in Savannah and then
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: we hope to places. Yeah, there's a few other places
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: that we're trying to go. I really want to go
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: to Nashville and investigation. Yeah, Patsy I'm a huge Patsy
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: client fan, and her one of her homes is open
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: for investigation. So that's like big on my bucket list.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, I have such a long paranormal bucket list.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: That was very interesting spot. I was there, not too long, well,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: it was probably over. No, actually it was a while ago.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Play over two and a half years ago. Damn. I
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: can't believe I still have this footage and haven't done
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: anything with it. I went out there and I just,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know, for some reason, I was like, let
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: me bring my video equipment. I was going, I think
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: then I was. I was married at that time. I'm
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: divorced now, but my wife at the time had to
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: go to Nashville for like something to do with work,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: and I was able to go kind of with her
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: basically and hang around. It was like, oh, I'll bring
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: some of my recording equipment and maybe go check out someone.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: I knew there was a freemason a cold down in Nashville,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: so I was like, maybe I'll go check it out.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: And I just started noticing like the most ridiculous occult
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: architectural all over that city, and I was like, what
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: the And I got tons of it, and I've been
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: wanting to go back. But yeah, that's a very interesting,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: very interesting area. All the government buildings that may sonic
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: hole and the is it a library museum, they all
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: share the same fucking stuff on their buildings. I'm like,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: nobody like that's sketchy.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, I'm onto you.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, h yeah, No, I just thought it
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: was very interesting. But no, I could see that being
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: like probably a great spot to go for paranormal stuff.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, full circle. But Franklin, where I
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: grew up, is only twenty miles south, and so I
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: think a lot of the places there are kind of
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: like bucket less paranormal for me, just because it's such
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: a like personal connection. So we'll see that's kind of
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: in the we'd like to maybe do that in the fall.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Nice. I hope you make it though. It's really cool.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: Well, uh, I think can wrap it up here. I
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: got enough questions in the paranormal. We can always have
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: you come back. Maybe after you do this investigation, it
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: could have you come back on can talk about it.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love that. Maybe my business can come too. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: you could pick her brain honey, because.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: She is no, for sure, she is more than Maria.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Cool cool, awesome.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we love that.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: I had a great time Riley, really interesting, uh, really
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: interesting stuff that you're into it.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: Thank you for coming on. It was cool to be
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: able to talk.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much. It was It was a
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: great conversation. I really appreciate having me.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, definitely. Please let everybody know where they can
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: find all your stuff and your sites and everything.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So if you wanted to book a reading with me,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: I have virtual and in person you go to www
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: dot lee in tune dot com, l E I G
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: h I N t U n e dot com. You
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: can find me on Instagram at Lee in Tune or
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: on TikTok at lee in Tune.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: Awesome. Again, thank you very much for coming on. Hopefully
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: forward to having a conversation with you again in the future.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: And uh that's the end of another Recult Rejects and
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: until the next one, everybody be well later.