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A Divine Rebirth with Latham Thomas · Deeply Well with Devi Brown

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Speaker 1: M from grandmothers who whispered in their baby girl in
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Speaker 1: jim se King told, scribe, scribe told son, son, told wife,
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Speaker 1: wife told her daughter, and daughter told the as this
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Speaker 1: is and the ansasis told me that you would come
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Speaker 1: to give wisdom of thousands. They said you would come rocking,
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Speaker 1: Rocking Gym. Hey, welcome back. It's the Dropping Gyms podcast.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Debbie Brown. This is your safe, soft
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Speaker 1: place to land where we investigate in both the macro
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Speaker 1: and microwaves all the ways in which we can live
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Speaker 1: embody and apply higher consciousness to our day to day life.
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Speaker 1: Ultimately for the highest good of ourselves and all those
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Speaker 1: that are connected to us. Thank you for joining me
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Speaker 1: here today's episode. Wow, I felt so so deeply special
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Speaker 1: to record with this just phenomenal guests that I have today.
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Speaker 1: Today's episode is featuring the founder of Mama Glow, Latham Thomas.
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Speaker 1: Just a truly exceptional, groundbreaking, wise, deep, highly intuitive force
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Speaker 1: in the world. That is the best way to describe Latham.
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Speaker 1: She is a divine force for good, for women and um.
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Speaker 1: She and I were first connected actually in two thousand
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Speaker 1: and nineteen. UM. We had been following each other on
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Speaker 1: social and I just I loved her energy. It's just breathtaking,
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Speaker 1: and I remember she had reached out. She has this
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Speaker 1: beautiful column that she does for Well and Good that
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Speaker 1: explores so many facets of the journey of self, of
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Speaker 1: the journey of mothering, of the journey of healing, and
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Speaker 1: she featured me in one of her columns. The article
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Speaker 1: was titled how this hip hop influencer went from Burnout
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Speaker 1: to Bliss, and it was really speaking to the big
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Speaker 1: change in careers I had made and the following of
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Speaker 1: my dharmic path and the following of my soul, going
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Speaker 1: from broadcasting and entertainment industry career to really deciding that
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Speaker 1: I wanted every second of my life um to be
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Speaker 1: in service and healing and wellness. And so it was
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Speaker 1: just such a wonderful experience having that conversation with her there.
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Speaker 1: And so finally the time has come, uh for Latham
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Speaker 1: to join me in this platform, and I'm so excited
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Speaker 1: to share this conversation, to share so much of her
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Speaker 1: and her work on here. And so buckle up, highly
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Speaker 1: recommend getting a notebook out. We will be using that,
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Speaker 1: especially a little later in the show. There is some
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Speaker 1: soul work towards the end of this episode, and also
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Speaker 1: towards the end of this episode, I'm going to have
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Speaker 1: some information for you on how you can connect with
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Speaker 1: Latham at an upcoming event that she is doing, the
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Speaker 1: Doula Expo by Mama Glow, which is on October. So
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have all those deeds at the end of
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Speaker 1: the episode. But let me give you a little bit
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Speaker 1: more about Latham. So Latham Thomas, founder of Mama Glow
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Speaker 1: and Mama Glow Foundation, named one of Oprah Winfrey's Super
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Speaker 1: Soul one hundred. Latham is the founder of Mama Glow,
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Speaker 1: a global maternal health and education brand serving birthing people
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Speaker 1: along the child bearing continuum. Mama Glow supports birthing families
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Speaker 1: during the fertility period, pregnancy, birth, as well as during postpartum,
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Speaker 1: offering handholding through their bespoke duellist services. Their DULA education
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Speaker 1: platform empowers birth workers around the world. Latham is a
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Speaker 1: fierce advocate for birth equity and works to bridge policy
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Speaker 1: gaps in maternal health. She's co founder of the Continuum Conference,
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Speaker 1: a gathering centering the experience of fertility, pregnancy, and new motherhood,
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Speaker 1: and the Mama Glow Foundation, advancing reproductive justice through education, advocacy,
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Speaker 1: and the arts. Cultivating her wellness practice, over nearly a decade,
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Speaker 1: she has served as a ula and lifestyle guru for
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Speaker 1: celebrity clients including Alicia Keys, Anne Hathaway, Ashley Graham, DJ Khalid,
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Minkoff, Doubts In Crows, Tamara Maori, Gabrielle Union, and more.
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Speaker 1: She has been featured in The New York Times, The
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Speaker 1: Washington Post, and pr Vogue, The Breakfast Club, Fast Company,
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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal, Magazine, Forbes, Self Essence, and more. She's
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Speaker 1: the proud mother of a seventeen year old DJ prodigy,
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Speaker 1: producer and entrepreneur DJ Fulano. Latham is a graduate of
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Speaker 1: Columbia University and author of two best selling books, On
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Speaker 1: Your Glow, A soulful Guide to Luminous living and Crowning
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Speaker 1: the Queen Within, and Mama Glow, A hip Guide to
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Speaker 1: your Fabulous, Abundant Pregnancy. You can find more information about
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Speaker 1: Latham on Mama Glow dot com, Mama Glow Foundation dot org,
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Speaker 1: at Mama Glow, and at Glow MAYBN Without further ado,
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Speaker 1: huge grateful, Welcome to Latham Thomas. Welcome to the show,
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Speaker 1: Latham Thomas. Hi, Debbie Wow, blessings. I'm so grateful to
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Speaker 1: be here with you. I am so grateful for you
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Speaker 1: to be here. Something that I was sharing with you
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Speaker 1: offline before we hit record is that this is actually
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Speaker 1: the first time I've brought a conversation like this to
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Speaker 1: my audience, and it feels um one, so timely, so important.
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Speaker 1: But I feel so excited that I get you to
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Speaker 1: be that foundational rock of what this work is and
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Speaker 1: exploring this for people you have held and lad in
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Speaker 1: such a phenomenal way in the world in times where
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Speaker 1: this wasn't known work and where it was probably required
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Speaker 1: to do so much disarming of people in so many
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Speaker 1: ways to understand the importance of And so I just
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Speaker 1: want to really like anchor in that and say that
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Speaker 1: I honor you so much for the work that you
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Speaker 1: do in the world and the way that you do it. Wow,
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Speaker 1: thank you for receiving that and also reflecting back that. UM.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate how you've shown up and how you've led
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Speaker 1: people in spaces where wellness, spiritual life and UM and
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Speaker 1: sort of embodiment of these practices UH wasn't prevalent and
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Speaker 1: has found a way to weave these UH we've are
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Speaker 1: practices are ancestral traditions UM into spaces that you know,
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Speaker 1: really need it. Like we think about UM culture and
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Speaker 1: we think about black culture, we think about hip hop,
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Speaker 1: we think about music and entertainment and UM and how
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Speaker 1: those places are so fraught and and how many people
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Speaker 1: are suffering because they don't have access to tools I
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Speaker 1: really can carry them through. And how you use you know,
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Speaker 1: your own practice to model for people what it could
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Speaker 1: be like too to live UM a life well intentioned,
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Speaker 1: right and UM and joyful, which I think is so important. UM. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So thank you too. And obviously it it created its
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Speaker 1: own world, right, Like, it's like you went a direction
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Speaker 1: that also took you into this an incredible UM brand,
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Speaker 1: and so I'm also really proud of you. Um yeah,
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Speaker 1: immensely proud of you. Thank you, thank you, thank you,
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Speaker 1: thank you. I don't even like, I have so many
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Speaker 1: directions I want to take this in, so I'm like,
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Speaker 1: let me try to tent parter, let me, but you
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Speaker 1: know late them. Um, you are so many things, and
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Speaker 1: you occupy space and expertise in so many facets, but
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Speaker 1: specifically some of the things that I think people really
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Speaker 1: know of your work. You're an entrepreneur, you're best selling author,
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Speaker 1: you're speaker, and you're a birth Doulah. When I think
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Speaker 1: of that, that just profoundly sacred womb work, that work
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Speaker 1: of being with the highest creation that is possible in
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Speaker 1: this life. How how did you find your way into
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Speaker 1: this space? How did you recognize this especially as I,
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Speaker 1: as I shared earlier, in a time where this, this
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Speaker 1: work was so much harder to find, harder to understand.
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Speaker 1: How did you hear your call and how did you
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Speaker 1: answer it? First of all, thank you for that question,
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Speaker 1: because UM, I do really see it as a calling, um,
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Speaker 1: not a choice. Not a passion, um, but but a
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Speaker 1: deep calling and UM. And to clarify for people what
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Speaker 1: a calling is versus your job or your career or
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Speaker 1: your passion is that um. You know, a calling takes
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Speaker 1: it takes all of you right to show up for
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Speaker 1: and um. And it also is really inconvenient, right like
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Speaker 1: calling is never like all right, a calling is never,
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Speaker 1: you know, like everything is lined up in your life perfectly,
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Speaker 1: and there's this carve out of this thing that God
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Speaker 1: is sending upon you to do. No, it is in
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Speaker 1: the midst of everything that's happening in your life that
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Speaker 1: you're being asked to step into a bigger aspect of yourself.
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Speaker 1: You're being asked to expand. And usually you feel under
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Speaker 1: resourced when you're being asked to expand in these ways.
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Speaker 1: And and the ingenuity to answer and the pathway to
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Speaker 1: matt for yourself UM is driven by the commitment to
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Speaker 1: be obedient to the call. And so it's just like
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Speaker 1: you asking God and you know, spirit and energy and
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Speaker 1: the universe to order your steps right and then just
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Speaker 1: being obedient to that. So for me it was definitely
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Speaker 1: that it was definitely being obedient. Um. I'm a tourist
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Speaker 1: so it's very hard for us to follow rules and
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Speaker 1: pay attention and and find our way to right. So
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Speaker 1: it's like if I'm answering a call, it took a
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Speaker 1: long time to get there. UM. So to answer the question,
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Speaker 1: when I when I was four years old, UM, my
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Speaker 1: mother was pregnant with my sister, and my aunt was
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Speaker 1: pregnant as well as my great aunt, and they're all
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Speaker 1: do within a month of each other, and that was
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Speaker 1: um March, April and May that they were going to
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Speaker 1: all deliver UM. And I always think about the spring
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Speaker 1: because at the time when we would watch animals, they
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Speaker 1: would all deliver in the spring. So I was like,
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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, look at us, like the animals are
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Speaker 1: coming in the springtime, and these babies are coming in
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Speaker 1: the springtime. And so UM, and I wasn't a baby.
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Speaker 1: My sister was born five years and ten days after me,
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Speaker 1: and so we were made baby. She was born on
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Speaker 1: Mother's Day. And what I remember was my mother being
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Speaker 1: really intentional about education. Right, So the foundation for me
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Speaker 1: around UM body awareness, body literacy, and a real understanding
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Speaker 1: of UM human physiology started at an early age. So
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Speaker 1: all of the anatomy we were using proper terms for
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Speaker 1: so you know, I was not ever calling um. I
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Speaker 1: was never using nicknames for my body parts, right, Like
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Speaker 1: I always knew the anatomical isn't your Yeah, No, she
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Speaker 1: was very clear on the parts. And so so I
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Speaker 1: remember she's super proud of this moment. We were in
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Speaker 1: the grocery store one day and this woman was like, oh, wow,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna be a big sister. I was like yes,
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Speaker 1: and she's like, your mother has a baby in her tummy.
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Speaker 1: I said, no, my mother has a baby in her
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Speaker 1: uterus is going to come out from vagina. So that
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Speaker 1: was actually happening, right. So she was like, oh my gosh,
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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. You know, she's just really fascinated. And
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Speaker 1: so I used to watch this show on PBS called
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Speaker 1: My Mom Is Having a Baby and I still remember
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Speaker 1: this shingle to that to that song and um and
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Speaker 1: just like the really kind of really just just really
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Speaker 1: rudimentory um animation that they had, but it was really educational,
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Speaker 1: and I had books and coloring books and things, and
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Speaker 1: so that was really the foundation for me understanding more
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Speaker 1: about the body. And then when my sister was born,
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Speaker 1: I think um around that time too, I had a
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Speaker 1: cousin who was just a couple of months old or
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Speaker 1: maybe ten months older than me, and so she was
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Speaker 1: also going to become a big sister. So we we're
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Speaker 1: playing together and just modeling what we saw, and so
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Speaker 1: we would take take our little cabbage tresh dolls and
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Speaker 1: stuck them under our shirts and then pretend to deliver
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Speaker 1: each other's babies. So so that's sort of when the
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Speaker 1: seed was planted. Right, So I was like four, and
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Speaker 1: then you fast forward, you know, into adulthood where the
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Speaker 1: experience is now real. Right, Like I had the foundation
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Speaker 1: of understanding, um, my body and having you know, a
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Speaker 1: mother who like just walked around the house nakeds We
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Speaker 1: were always naked in the house, and so there was
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Speaker 1: just this comfort in the body and also a trust
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Speaker 1: and a listening to the body that was cultivated at
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Speaker 1: early age. And so yeah, I think back on it,
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Speaker 1: I'm like wow, Like, you know, when I got older
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Speaker 1: and I'd be in the house and I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 1: people don't walk make it, people don't do this, you know,
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Speaker 1: So I think I was so used to it. But
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Speaker 1: it also made you feel comfortable, you know, whatever your
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Speaker 1: body was doing, and also noticed the changes in your
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Speaker 1: body and and so um, that was really great. So
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Speaker 1: that planted the seed for me. And then fast forward
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Speaker 1: to um, my experience with my son, and I'm sure
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Speaker 1: we'll probably come here, but but to just underscore, um,
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Speaker 1: you know, delivering in New York City and you know,
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Speaker 1: being pregnant in New York not having the same resources
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Speaker 1: that I had in California. Um, because I went to
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Speaker 1: college here. I went to Columbia University of State, fell
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Speaker 1: in love, adwater, was pregnant, right, and here comes a baby.
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Speaker 1: So now I'm like navigating the terrain of delivering a
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Speaker 1: baby in New York City where I don't have any
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Speaker 1: connection to any sort of you know, practitioners, Like I
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Speaker 1: don't know where to go in this process. So I'm
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Speaker 1: literally mapping this process for myself in the time twenty
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Speaker 1: years ago. Now twenty years and sound like a long time,
15:43
Speaker 1: right because we think back, we're like, oh, that's you
15:45
Speaker 1: know whatever, like early two thousands, But it really wasn't.
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Speaker 1: It really was like I mean we're talking about technology.
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Speaker 1: This was like the ice age and technology. So in
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Speaker 1: two thousand, we still have cell phones that had like
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Speaker 1: the little antenna that you would like pull up to
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Speaker 1: try to get signaled. We did not have text messaging.
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Speaker 1: Text messaging was nascent, Okay, we did not have text messaging,
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Speaker 1: and so all of this contributed to a really disparate
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Speaker 1: space in terms of resource and access. So when you're
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to find a practitioner, the products,
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Speaker 1: the best services, you can't find because you're just like,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, where is everything? And so um, there's
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Speaker 1: only a few websites that existed that addressed parenthood. So
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Speaker 1: I found those, and those were like really inflexible and
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Speaker 1: hard to navigate. So I sort of like did what
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Speaker 1: anybody else would do, which was like, you know, on
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Speaker 1: a on a heart centered level, just approach practitioners, vetted products,
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Speaker 1: figured out what services would make sense for me, but
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Speaker 1: also not really for me to benefit from. It was
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Speaker 1: really like um an accumulation of resources that I was
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Speaker 1: able to pass on, right because by the time I
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Speaker 1: figured it all out, I was I already had my baby, right,
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Speaker 1: But the big thing was choosing to deliver out of
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Speaker 1: hospital and having an out of hospital birth at a
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Speaker 1: birth center. And I lift up this because Midwiffree is
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Speaker 1: in our ancestry and is in UM and it's in
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Speaker 1: the fabric of what has become UM our current medical system. UM.
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Speaker 1: The the foundation of that was midwiffree and primarily UM
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Speaker 1: African and indigenous folks who were delivering babies. UM. We're
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Speaker 1: talking four hundreds of years ago, like four hundred years ago, right,
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Speaker 1: who laid a foundation for what become healthcare system UM
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Speaker 1: and who would really be the people on the front
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Speaker 1: lines to make sure that we were able to deliver safely. UM.
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Speaker 1: We don't have as many midwives anymore and so and
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Speaker 1: we'll talk about that later. But for me, it was
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Speaker 1: important to deliver in that kind of space and have
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Speaker 1: bodily autonomy and UM and have an experience that was
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Speaker 1: really sacred. And the birth of my son was like
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Speaker 1: an out of body experience. So that led me, I think,
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Speaker 1: to also answer the call. And you know what I mean,
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Speaker 1: Like all these things kind of add up after that experience, Debbie,
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Speaker 1: and you'll appreciate this. UM. I saw bedic astrologer I
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Speaker 1: was I was teaching at an ashram. I saw a
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Speaker 1: vehic astrologer and he said to me, UM, like we
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Speaker 1: did a puja for my birthday. He said, come, I
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Speaker 1: want to do a reading. I was like, okay, we
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Speaker 1: did a reading and he's doing divination okay, And I'm
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Speaker 1: only telling Debbie this because Debbie is a person who
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Speaker 1: could hold this for me right Like, not everybody could
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Speaker 1: take this story right now. Everybody could do this. So
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Speaker 1: we're doing divination. I'm in this tiny little space with him.
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Speaker 1: The room. First of all, it is claustrophobic. It was
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Speaker 1: like the tiniest room. I could touch all four corners
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Speaker 1: of the room with with my body just slightly reaching right.
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Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh my god, I'm like, am I
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Speaker 1: about to ignite so hot? I'm so it's dark, and
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Speaker 1: but he's doing this whole thing and I'm just getting
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Speaker 1: comfortable with it. And um, and then he writes down
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Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff that I can't understand. He says
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Speaker 1: a bunch of things that I can't understand, like kind
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Speaker 1: of broken English, and then a little bit of you know,
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Speaker 1: Hindu and um. I was like, I was like, what's
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Speaker 1: going on? And then and then he says to me, Um, okay, uh,
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Speaker 1: you're supposed to mother to mother And I was like, okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm doing that. He's like no, no, no, in a
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Speaker 1: huge way. You're supposed to mother to mother more than
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Speaker 1: you're doing now. I was like, okay, and he said,
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Speaker 1: these numbers are very important to you. Look at these
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Speaker 1: numbers show up in your life. I said okay. And
19:33
Speaker 1: then he also went into like and then you gotta
19:35
Speaker 1: do you know, you gotta do your sad now, you
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Speaker 1: gotta do this. And he started going through all the
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Speaker 1: things I need to do and like, here's your posture
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Speaker 1: for this, and I was like, okay, Like got it.
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Speaker 1: So then, of course, my whole rest of the week,
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Speaker 1: I'm like looking around for these numbers. And then I
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Speaker 1: get back to New York and my life. Right, And
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Speaker 1: this is back when you didn't check email every day.
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Speaker 1: One day, I get up and check email because I
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Speaker 1: you know, you check it like maybe once every few weeks.
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Speaker 1: By the way, this is what email used to be, y'all.
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Speaker 1: You did not trust it. We didn't even believe the
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Speaker 1: email was gonna stay. Okay, we're still getting all of
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Speaker 1: our mail in the mailbox. People would write letters to you. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I missed those days. Vote, but that's another story. So
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Speaker 1: so literally, write write me a letter. So so I'm
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Speaker 1: on Debbie, right, I'm on the email like we would
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Speaker 1: call the interwebs or whatever. The time. Right. So I'm
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Speaker 1: on my email and I see a thing like you
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Speaker 1: know how it has that like little notification of what
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Speaker 1: the email is, and then you go inside it's like
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Speaker 1: a subject line. There's a subject line, and the subject
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Speaker 1: line says um that I was accepted to Adula Fellowship program.
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Speaker 1: And I was like oh. And then I look at
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Speaker 1: the date and the date corresponded with one of the
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Speaker 1: dates he gave me. Wow, And I was like, okay, God,
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Speaker 1: because I been evading it for so long. Everyone's like,
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Speaker 1: are you gonna you should do? Like you teach predato yoga,
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Speaker 1: you do all this nutrition stuff with moms, you do
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Speaker 1: all that. Can you just be my Duela? Was like,
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Speaker 1: I cannot be your Dula, And I kept pushing it off,
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Speaker 1: pushing it off, and God was like, if you don't,
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Speaker 1: sit your behind down and let me just work through
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Speaker 1: you on this, right, And so it came that way
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Speaker 1: and then I said, and by the way, I do
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Speaker 1: not remember applying for the fellowship, so I believe like
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Speaker 1: I channeled this application because I don't even recall feeling
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Speaker 1: it out. There was like no recollection of actually feeling
21:29
Speaker 1: it out. So then I was like, you know what, God,
21:33
Speaker 1: I'm listening. You have my full attention. You have my
21:37
Speaker 1: full attention. Wow, you know what? Well? I was so
21:49
Speaker 1: beautiful and I really want to highlight this for everyone listening.
21:52
Speaker 1: The way that I heard you just share yourself. It
21:55
Speaker 1: went from and this is the stages I think of
22:00
Speaker 1: living and embodying and awakened life. You went from this
22:06
Speaker 1: is my calling, and then it moved into this is
22:08
Speaker 1: my mission, you know, and the steps that it took
22:11
Speaker 1: to get there. Like you heard the call. We all
22:13
Speaker 1: get a call, whether or not you answer, it is
22:16
Speaker 1: between you and creator. But it goes from a call
22:21
Speaker 1: to like an undying mission, like a way of service
22:25
Speaker 1: that just amits from you that you know you're meant
22:28
Speaker 1: to stand in for this lifetime. Is that how it
22:31
Speaker 1: felt in that journey, because it's like it was so
22:35
Speaker 1: there's so many layers of what you said that I
22:36
Speaker 1: think are so beautifully connected to everyone being able to
22:40
Speaker 1: understand purpose and destiny or the word that I think
22:44
Speaker 1: better m encapsulates all of it is the sam script
22:47
Speaker 1: word of dharma. It is that inner truth, that deep aboding,
22:52
Speaker 1: you know, And it's like you were given this really
22:55
Speaker 1: exquisite foundation from birth of a mother, who was deeply
23:00
Speaker 1: emotionally regulated, who had tools, who was sharing herself in
23:03
Speaker 1: such a way with you. You're noticing that this is
23:07
Speaker 1: what feels really important to you and really valuable to you,
23:12
Speaker 1: and and really intrinsically a piece of you. Then you
23:15
Speaker 1: have your experience, you know, and you arrive as the
23:19
Speaker 1: hero because you're seeing based on your experience with all
23:23
Speaker 1: that God is channeling through you what the world needs.
23:26
Speaker 1: And then you embodied it. And it's like wow, wow,
23:30
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so much easier to not by the way,
23:35
Speaker 1: so I could see why people decide not to write
23:38
Speaker 1: because it's so much easier to turn the other way.
23:43
Speaker 1: But I have to say this, it's also painful when
23:45
Speaker 1: you don't answer, like, like you pay the cost, right,
23:49
Speaker 1: There is a cost for like not stepping into it.
23:52
Speaker 1: And so the longer it takes you to step in.
23:54
Speaker 1: I think about it like this too, Like I'm like,
23:57
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, so many people can be touched, right,
24:00
Speaker 1: Like if we the more the earlier we start a process,
24:07
Speaker 1: the more people we can touch, right. And so it's
24:09
Speaker 1: like I think, and I'm like, wow, I know that
24:11
Speaker 1: I was meant to answer at this time, but had
24:14
Speaker 1: I been obedient the whole time, right, So it's interesting
24:17
Speaker 1: sometimes you think like that too, but most of it
24:20
Speaker 1: for me becomes you know, I needed the different entry points,
24:24
Speaker 1: and certainly my son's birth was one of those moments
24:27
Speaker 1: where it was like very crystalline for me too. But
24:31
Speaker 1: it was like a matter of like, how would that
24:33
Speaker 1: how would that show up later? Right? UM? But I
24:37
Speaker 1: think it's it's what it feels like. UM. And I'm
24:42
Speaker 1: sure you know this two is like there's um like
24:46
Speaker 1: as you sort of choose and move in the direction
24:52
Speaker 1: of service leadership and showing up. Um, it's like it
24:58
Speaker 1: feels like things melt open, right, Like things start to
25:02
Speaker 1: like I felt like stuff falling away. And so what
25:06
Speaker 1: that looked like was also distraction like falls away and
25:12
Speaker 1: like an ability to focus in a way that may
25:15
Speaker 1: not even be uh recognizable or even normal for you. UM.
25:21
Speaker 1: An ability to uh surface energy and um sustenance that
25:28
Speaker 1: can like carry you in fortitude, that can carry you
25:30
Speaker 1: through moments that are really challenging, like stuff that like
25:33
Speaker 1: you know that we find like certainly in birth, right,
25:36
Speaker 1: like when you have your baby on the other side
25:38
Speaker 1: of that, there's all this strength and energy and whatever
25:41
Speaker 1: and you're like, I haven't eaten in like two days, right,
25:44
Speaker 1: Like you just find it, it comes right, and I
25:48
Speaker 1: feel like that's also kind of UM big. One of
25:51
Speaker 1: the gifts that comes with answering is that you do
25:55
Speaker 1: get endowed with some some superpowers to kind of sustain
26:00
Speaker 1: you through the crazy because pursuing a lot of the
26:03
Speaker 1: things that we choose to do UM, you have to
26:07
Speaker 1: have a healthy dose of naivete to be in the
26:11
Speaker 1: midst of it when it's so intense and you don't
26:14
Speaker 1: know what you're doing right, or you're you're just like
26:16
Speaker 1: I'm listening and I'm moving with the energy of this.
26:19
Speaker 1: And if you were to actually fully be able to
26:22
Speaker 1: see the full picture, many of us would never take
26:26
Speaker 1: the path because if you saw what it all would entail,
26:29
Speaker 1: if you saw how much you know, you would have
26:31
Speaker 1: to endure, you wouldn't even take the first step. And
26:35
Speaker 1: so what's beautiful about UM journeys? They're always cyclical, right,
26:42
Speaker 1: like we're we're winding our way, we can't see straight,
26:46
Speaker 1: so as we even put one ft in front of
26:48
Speaker 1: the next, we still can't see onto the other side.
26:50
Speaker 1: So which is actually a gift because it keeps us
26:53
Speaker 1: in the present. It keeps us focus and committed. It
26:57
Speaker 1: allows us to make space really right for or um
27:01
Speaker 1: for what we're meant to do, and also to be
27:04
Speaker 1: present and the experiences we're having. And so I'm thankful
27:07
Speaker 1: for that because I think that in a culture that
27:10
Speaker 1: we're in right now, right that's like accelerated and everything
27:13
Speaker 1: is fast and instant, you know, um, and really there's
27:18
Speaker 1: no um culminating moment of celebration or of ritual around
27:24
Speaker 1: you know, our arrival someplace where there certainly also isn't
27:28
Speaker 1: a celebration of just this journey that we're taking, right.
27:32
Speaker 1: It's all about like I gotta get here, I gotta
27:35
Speaker 1: right And and I think that what what you're calling
27:39
Speaker 1: does is really grounds you in the present and keeps
27:43
Speaker 1: you honest and keeps you um like committed right committed
27:48
Speaker 1: to work and and and and it really serves as
27:51
Speaker 1: like I think, a tether, right so that you can
27:54
Speaker 1: move through this world self paced, um, because it'll have
27:58
Speaker 1: you if you look everywhere else, it'll have you think
28:01
Speaker 1: like this world will have you think that you have
28:02
Speaker 1: to you do all these things to succeed and whatever.
28:06
Speaker 1: And but when you're doing what you're meant to do
28:09
Speaker 1: like UM Like, it doesn't fit into these UM paradigms easily, right,
28:15
Speaker 1: It's actually it's more expansive, you know, when we can
28:19
Speaker 1: commit to our calling and we can commit to the
28:22
Speaker 1: mission driven work. Right, So I think it's it's important
28:27
Speaker 1: to UM like as we feel these things sitting in
28:31
Speaker 1: our bellies and we feel the butterflies or whatever it
28:34
Speaker 1: is or excitement UM to like, you know, step into
28:38
Speaker 1: that right, step into the feeling, and also embrace the
28:41
Speaker 1: work that's waiting for us. But find find your your
28:45
Speaker 1: best listening tool, right because for me, it came through
28:48
Speaker 1: so many different avenues like the words, and I was
28:51
Speaker 1: like yeah, and then I kept pushing it off. And
28:55
Speaker 1: so I think that we all get to where we're
28:56
Speaker 1: supposed to be in our timing. But I certainly think
29:00
Speaker 1: um the world that we live in can definitely keep
29:03
Speaker 1: us distracted from doing the work right and not focusing
29:06
Speaker 1: on ourselves and and what we're supposed to do. Wow. Wow, God,
29:16
Speaker 1: that was so so exquisitely lived and taught. The way
29:22
Speaker 1: that you shared that that is so beautiful And a
29:25
Speaker 1: way that I like to frame it UM for myself
29:27
Speaker 1: is like listening to the whispers, like noticing that feeling
29:31
Speaker 1: in your body body, noticing that spiritual breadcrumbing that happens,
29:36
Speaker 1: but not having to have this like anticipatory energy about it,
29:40
Speaker 1: because sometimes that leads us to self sabotage. That's what
29:43
Speaker 1: leads us to just pull ourselves out of the calling
29:46
Speaker 1: and be just an ego about it. When is it
29:48
Speaker 1: going to happen? How is it going to happen? When
29:50
Speaker 1: people gonna know about it? Is it gonna am I
29:52
Speaker 1: gonna feel like this about myself when it does happen?
29:54
Speaker 1: And we get into all these things that that just
29:57
Speaker 1: really convolute the purity of how were meant to be
30:00
Speaker 1: in the world, how we're meant to serve with ease,
30:03
Speaker 1: with grace, and I love you know when you shared
30:07
Speaker 1: especially the piece about like having that Vedic astrology reading,
30:10
Speaker 1: and that is something that I do. I have found,
30:13
Speaker 1: especially in the last few months I'm speaking about extensively
30:16
Speaker 1: on this show. What I think is so important about
30:19
Speaker 1: that is it builds so much of our spiritual confidence.
30:23
Speaker 1: You know, it really helps us say, Okay, I'm getting
30:26
Speaker 1: I'm getting confirmation that that is real or that's true,
30:30
Speaker 1: or that thought I had in my mind now God
30:32
Speaker 1: gifted me someone giving me, giving me a confirmation about
30:36
Speaker 1: it um, and it makes it easier for us to
30:39
Speaker 1: really listen, especially to the things we can't fathom, like
30:42
Speaker 1: if we've had a life that was struggle. You know,
30:46
Speaker 1: if you had a life that was people didn't celebrate you,
30:49
Speaker 1: didn't believe you had goodness or greatness in you, or
30:52
Speaker 1: didn't reflect that to you, so you could see that
30:55
Speaker 1: in you. It is so hard to feel the weight
30:58
Speaker 1: of a calling and like you're unworthy of it, you know,
31:02
Speaker 1: and able to come in and be with people that
31:05
Speaker 1: really see us, that can reflect what they see in
31:09
Speaker 1: us to us, not just specifically like oh yeah, you're
31:11
Speaker 1: a good person, it's like, wow, you hold depth, you
31:14
Speaker 1: hold strengthen radient being. Like when we can see to
31:18
Speaker 1: each other with deeper language, when we can have those confirmations,
31:23
Speaker 1: it builds our our human experience to feel worthy of
31:27
Speaker 1: our spiritual destiny. That's right, that's right, absolutely, yeah, let
31:33
Speaker 1: the church say. And it's so powerful because it's like,
31:39
Speaker 1: imagine what wouldn't be in the world if we didn't
31:42
Speaker 1: hear the whispers, you know, I was thinking that this morning.
31:47
Speaker 1: With then I'll just tell a quick story I um
31:49
Speaker 1: I had. I was switching some stuff around in my
31:52
Speaker 1: office and so I took this frame down and it
31:54
Speaker 1: was a framed article from eight years ago. And at
31:57
Speaker 1: this time, I was I was working in mindfulness, but
32:00
Speaker 1: I was still very much in my career as like
32:02
Speaker 1: a broadcaster and a radio personality. And the title of
32:06
Speaker 1: the article that was in the Sunday paper was Tupac
32:09
Speaker 1: meets Deepac with l A style. That was eight years ago.
32:15
Speaker 1: At that I'm from Bordering in l A. But at
32:18
Speaker 1: that time, I was doing radio in Houston, Texas, and
32:21
Speaker 1: you know, I was going to retreat that I wasn't
32:23
Speaker 1: working with Deepac, and I was a SUPERPOC fan. And
32:26
Speaker 1: then it's like this year, I'm like wow, Like I've
32:29
Speaker 1: been back in l A for about five years. I
32:31
Speaker 1: just contributed to a book on Tupac this year that's
32:35
Speaker 1: coming out this year. And obviously, you know, I work
32:38
Speaker 1: with my beloved Deepac, and I'm just like the whispers,
32:42
Speaker 1: the whispers I had. I had no idea years ago,
32:47
Speaker 1: you know, I had no idea this would be my life.
32:50
Speaker 1: I did, but I could see it, see it. You know,
32:52
Speaker 1: I didn't know what you actually look or feel like.
32:56
Speaker 1: And so I was just I was just feeling grateful,
32:58
Speaker 1: like I really just said thank you God, and thank
33:01
Speaker 1: you me, thank you me for hearing the call, for
33:04
Speaker 1: hearing the whisper and not having to have it all
33:07
Speaker 1: figured out, and just saying yes, I will, Okay, let's
33:10
Speaker 1: see where this is going. Yes, yes, yes, say yes,
33:16
Speaker 1: say yes yes. The eaves comes by, you have to
33:20
Speaker 1: say yes yes as someone in in such a powerful space.
33:25
Speaker 1: And you know, when I think of wombwork, when I
33:30
Speaker 1: think of the work of ushering in life, of helping
33:36
Speaker 1: a woman expand spiritually and emotionally for such a massive
33:42
Speaker 1: new life and new being like a mother births herself
33:45
Speaker 1: as you birth your child, make no mess? Yes, right?
33:51
Speaker 1: What do you find? Um? What do you find especially
33:57
Speaker 1: as it relates to the journey of of women, the
34:03
Speaker 1: journey of women being in their power, which is it
34:06
Speaker 1: really feels collectively that this is the first time in
34:09
Speaker 1: human history there's been such a mass of woman being
34:14
Speaker 1: in her power? What are you doing being? And what
34:17
Speaker 1: are you what are you holding a sacred in that
34:19
Speaker 1: experience of you know, full woman being a mother, um, birthing,
34:26
Speaker 1: growing and growing yourself. You know, I see, I see
34:35
Speaker 1: many things, um, one of which is that community I
34:41
Speaker 1: think is so critical and is guiding us to find
34:48
Speaker 1: each other. Right. So, um, with all the technology, with
34:52
Speaker 1: all the connection, right, there's there's this feeling of uh
34:57
Speaker 1: like digital connectivity, um, but but not actual community, right,
35:04
Speaker 1: like not actual you know, convening and supporting and witnessing
35:09
Speaker 1: and the ways that we actually evolved for and so UM,
35:15
Speaker 1: what I see is that people right now um need
35:21
Speaker 1: essentially to be swaddled right and in community support. I'm
35:26
Speaker 1: seeing that, you know, women are retreating to rest um
35:33
Speaker 1: as a primary form of wellness, right, um, you know,
35:37
Speaker 1: leaning into practices that are fortifying but that are also
35:41
Speaker 1: about flowing down. Um. I'm seeing a lot of people
35:45
Speaker 1: actively divest in the structures that have um caused the
35:52
Speaker 1: need for mental health industrial complex. Um. I'm seeing people
35:59
Speaker 1: struggle right with also, um what world it is that
36:05
Speaker 1: they'll be bringing life into? Um so many things. I
36:11
Speaker 1: feel like in this moment, you know, which is so interesting.
36:16
Speaker 1: You know, people describe it so intentionally so but really
36:22
Speaker 1: in a such a coded way, right Like we'll hear
36:25
Speaker 1: things like, oh, it's such a dark moment, and it's
36:27
Speaker 1: darkness moment, And I always think of like that being
36:31
Speaker 1: really a misnomer because darkness is divine and hold on,
36:37
Speaker 1: sit there there for a second. Darkness is divine darkness.
36:47
Speaker 1: Darkness is divine. Yes, darkness is divine. And in anything
36:55
Speaker 1: that takes us in a space where um, where we
37:00
Speaker 1: do not have the capacity to see what we can
37:02
Speaker 1: feel our way through um. If we're thinking about the
37:07
Speaker 1: night time, which gives us, you know, time to rest
37:11
Speaker 1: and restore our bodies until you know, the sun rises.
37:15
Speaker 1: If we're thinking about you know, the soil, which is
37:20
Speaker 1: incredible supports all life systems, and it is dark and
37:25
Speaker 1: dank and wet and moist and full of microbes and
37:29
Speaker 1: microorganisms and earthworms and mycilium and incredible roots systems that
37:35
Speaker 1: support plant life. Right, that also supports our life. If
37:39
Speaker 1: we think about and that's darkness that grows a seed
37:42
Speaker 1: into fruition. And we think about the womb, which is darkness,
37:49
Speaker 1: the womb which is dark which gives you know, forth
37:53
Speaker 1: the ability for um, something at seed level to take
37:58
Speaker 1: shape and form into to a human being and emerged
38:04
Speaker 1: from darkness into the light. Um, it's it's it's divine, right.
38:10
Speaker 1: And then we think about beings, you know, have that
38:14
Speaker 1: have been historically UM coded as UM as dark you know,
38:24
Speaker 1: dark people, black people being you know, coded as bad
38:28
Speaker 1: and seeing all of the incredible ancestral practices, the healing work,
38:33
Speaker 1: the incredible contributions UM that we make into this world
38:39
Speaker 1: right and who we are. It's like darkness is divine
38:43
Speaker 1: right like like everything. Also that takes us into a
38:46
Speaker 1: space where we have to reflect on moments of pain,
38:51
Speaker 1: challenge or triumph. Uh. It it shapes us. It really,
38:57
Speaker 1: it really retools us, shapes us and wild listen to
39:00
Speaker 1: someone new, and that's through a period of darkness, right,
39:03
Speaker 1: that's moving through a portal um. So it's a rebirth,
39:06
Speaker 1: I think so I think that this is a really
39:08
Speaker 1: beautiful period of rebirth. I do think that it's a
39:11
Speaker 1: painful period. I do think that there are a lot
39:13
Speaker 1: of things that this moment is asking of us. And
39:17
Speaker 1: to your point about listening, it requires deep listening. This
39:22
Speaker 1: is a time that we're being asked to listen. I
39:24
Speaker 1: mean we got sent into the house to listen for
39:27
Speaker 1: like two years, Like this is going on the second year, right,
39:31
Speaker 1: we're going into two like a year and a half,
39:34
Speaker 1: and where we were sent into the house and asked
39:38
Speaker 1: to sit down and slow down, and what we were
39:41
Speaker 1: doing was dysfunctional. Sit down and listen, right. Many of
39:46
Speaker 1: us forced to be, you know, in situations that were
39:49
Speaker 1: uncomfortable and had to deal with family members, many people
39:52
Speaker 1: in not safe situations. And so I want to speak
39:56
Speaker 1: to the fact that like, yes, some people struggle to
39:58
Speaker 1: people were economically insecure housing and secure food and secure
40:02
Speaker 1: there are real you know, um. And also without health care,
40:05
Speaker 1: many people died. So I'm acknowledging the truth in that
40:09
Speaker 1: as well. And also that there was a divine lesson
40:15
Speaker 1: for each of us, um if we were ready to
40:18
Speaker 1: receive it, um, if we were ready to take action,
40:22
Speaker 1: if we were ready to cultivate. This was a powerful
40:25
Speaker 1: period of personal growth if you wanted to just date
40:28
Speaker 1: something and be at home to allow it to anchor
40:33
Speaker 1: and not have to be in transit and hustling and
40:35
Speaker 1: going out and whatever, but being at home and and
40:38
Speaker 1: and starting a practice that allows you to anchor and
40:42
Speaker 1: and tether and be and be present. Many of us
40:46
Speaker 1: got outside. Many people got planned. So many people did
40:49
Speaker 1: all kinds of things to kind of make home really
40:52
Speaker 1: more habitable for themselves, and a lot of people started
40:55
Speaker 1: new things, and so I feel like that only just
41:00
Speaker 1: through the birth space, but this a rebirth of things
41:04
Speaker 1: that were back Bernard, right, things that you may well
41:07
Speaker 1: have wanted to do but you never made the time for.
41:10
Speaker 1: And and and the quarantine you finally did. I saw
41:13
Speaker 1: a lot of that, and so I felt like, um,
41:16
Speaker 1: this is a period that was highly potent and that
41:19
Speaker 1: we could Um. I feel like if you come on
41:22
Speaker 1: the other side of this experience and it didn't change you,
41:26
Speaker 1: it didn't touch like like this, we were all touched.
41:30
Speaker 1: So what way are we going to modify and design
41:35
Speaker 1: our lives to accommodate the shift? Right? Like? We we can't.
41:41
Speaker 1: There's no pushing through, there's no you know, like just
41:46
Speaker 1: keep going, there's no charging through. There's no pretending that
41:48
Speaker 1: we're not living through a global pandemic. And so how
41:52
Speaker 1: you going to design your life around the shift and
41:56
Speaker 1: and really make a space for something completely different and
42:03
Speaker 1: invite that in and nurture and then grow something new.
42:06
Speaker 1: I believe that's the invitation and that is reflected in
42:10
Speaker 1: everything that we see in in in the life cycle
42:13
Speaker 1: and living things right, and and that's I think, um
42:17
Speaker 1: important for us to step into in this moment And
42:20
Speaker 1: and The people who lead the charge for that are
42:22
Speaker 1: the nurturers, right, The people who lead the charge for
42:25
Speaker 1: that are the folks who know how to grow something
42:27
Speaker 1: from the seed level and sustain it until it's ready
42:31
Speaker 1: to grow, like to bloom. And that's the caregivers. That's
42:36
Speaker 1: the mothers, that's the folks who that's the grandmothers, as
42:39
Speaker 1: the aunties does. Those are the people who are the
42:40
Speaker 1: crux of community, who helped to hold the universe together
42:44
Speaker 1: by their fingertips um to make sure nothing falls out
42:48
Speaker 1: of place. And so we're all being called to, I think,
42:53
Speaker 1: really leading to our caregiving capacity. Regardless of how you identify,
42:59
Speaker 1: you know, we're all being called to mother and nurture
43:02
Speaker 1: and and we're all being called to, really, I believe,
43:07
Speaker 1: come closer. Even at a time we're being asked to
43:10
Speaker 1: be physically distant, um, socially distant, all these things. I
43:14
Speaker 1: do believe it's a time for us to find ways
43:17
Speaker 1: to minimize that distance and and maximize our connection. Beautiful,
43:22
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Wow I everything that you just
43:28
Speaker 1: said I feel such a deep alignment to and it
43:31
Speaker 1: really um it even it makes me emotional on this
43:35
Speaker 1: moment because I remember the freedom I felt when I
43:40
Speaker 1: first realized that darkness could be my light that I
43:46
Speaker 1: found and just embracing what was embracing sometimes the darker path.
43:52
Speaker 1: And at the time that I fell into that, it
43:55
Speaker 1: I didn't see that anywhere. You know. It was terrifying
43:58
Speaker 1: and it was revolutionary. It was everyone was only focused
44:02
Speaker 1: on positive mindset, positive mindset, love and light. You got
44:06
Speaker 1: to tell yourself about things, and it's like, yeah, but
44:09
Speaker 1: you have to remove the camps are first. You can't
44:11
Speaker 1: just pile on nice verbs and adjectives and descriptives on
44:17
Speaker 1: top of a pile of rot, you know, like we
44:20
Speaker 1: have to excavate all of that, all of those experience,
44:24
Speaker 1: all of that against nous itself, and then from that pure,
44:29
Speaker 1: emptied vessel we refill with what is really us, what
44:33
Speaker 1: is for us. Then it reminds me of the Roomy quote.
44:36
Speaker 1: Um that I mean Roomy the poet changed everything, I
44:41
Speaker 1: mean everything everything, But when he said, you know, darkness
44:46
Speaker 1: is your candle, there is some light in that, and
44:49
Speaker 1: and allowing yourself not to get lost in it, but
44:53
Speaker 1: to just take a look around what is in that
44:56
Speaker 1: dark Let me observe, you know, let me shine the
45:01
Speaker 1: light on in here. And that I have this like
45:04
Speaker 1: you know I have. I have all the questions for
45:06
Speaker 1: you like them. I had this long lis um, but
45:10
Speaker 1: the thing that really dropped into my head as you
45:13
Speaker 1: were talking, and I feel like I have to I
45:15
Speaker 1: have to ask it because there must be people that
45:18
Speaker 1: need to hear this from you, For women, for any
45:22
Speaker 1: women listening, any parents listening that are preparing for parenthood
45:28
Speaker 1: that don't feel worthy of it, that don't feel worthy
45:31
Speaker 1: of it because of the experiences that have happened to them.
45:35
Speaker 1: M H. What would be a way to start um
45:42
Speaker 1: redefining what you can be as a parent, especially if
45:46
Speaker 1: you came from a family of origin that was not
45:54
Speaker 1: serving for lack of a better word, right, or left
45:56
Speaker 1: you with a lot of a lot of your dramas
46:00
Speaker 1: that you swim through. Sometimes we feel unworthy of the
46:03
Speaker 1: parenting journey, and then you can without meaning to. You
46:07
Speaker 1: walk in with the best intentions, but without meaning to
46:09
Speaker 1: you self sabotage because it's also one of the most
46:12
Speaker 1: triggering journeys. Your child is the biggest reflective mirror of
46:16
Speaker 1: your existence. How anything that you have for how someone
46:22
Speaker 1: getting ready to start this journey can really show up
46:25
Speaker 1: at it? Um in a way that honors them and
46:28
Speaker 1: honors their child. Wow. Um, I should start by saying,
46:36
Speaker 1: I'm still in the journey. I have an eighteen year
46:38
Speaker 1: old son, and uh, Debbie and I were speaking before
46:43
Speaker 1: about how you just like never really get used to
46:47
Speaker 1: the fact, Like I still don't get used to the
46:49
Speaker 1: fact that he's here. Like even when I thought that,
46:53
Speaker 1: like there will be a time, you know, when he
46:56
Speaker 1: was a little, little little I would hover over him,
46:58
Speaker 1: make sure he was breathing, you know, when they're tying
47:00
Speaker 1: me and you're like, oh my god, oh my god,
47:01
Speaker 1: oh my god. And even still he'll sleep and I'll
47:04
Speaker 1: just hover over him and watch him. It doesn't it
47:08
Speaker 1: doesn't end. He's eighteen, okay. So I would serve by
47:12
Speaker 1: saying that, UM. You know, we UM. A lot of
47:18
Speaker 1: us exit childhood UM in need of things that we
47:24
Speaker 1: didn't receive from the primary care providers we had. And
47:28
Speaker 1: for some of us, UM, it was more structure, attention
47:32
Speaker 1: UM love UM. And for others of us who might
47:38
Speaker 1: have been smothered and had too much attention, too much
47:42
Speaker 1: restrictiveness UM. And then some exited where there was violence
47:46
Speaker 1: and belittling and and so and combinations of all those
47:50
Speaker 1: things and so UM, right, Like, one thing that's really
47:54
Speaker 1: important is to understand, and I think that all parents
47:58
Speaker 1: should understand this is that UM, like what happened to you, UM,
48:04
Speaker 1: the things that occurred in your life, UM, are not
48:07
Speaker 1: the some of who you are. And so because you
48:11
Speaker 1: might have been UM mistreated or the people who were
48:17
Speaker 1: intended to take care of you UM did their best
48:21
Speaker 1: or did not have the capacity to do their best. UM,
48:25
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't mean that the next time when
48:29
Speaker 1: it becomes your time, that you won't do a good
48:32
Speaker 1: job at it, or that you don't deserve to have
48:36
Speaker 1: a parenting relationship that is fulfilling. I. UM. I can
48:42
Speaker 1: definitely say that there are things that I lived through
48:44
Speaker 1: in my childhood that I did not want to repeat
48:47
Speaker 1: and that I was so conscientious of. And one of
48:52
Speaker 1: the first things I would say is if you're partnered,
48:55
Speaker 1: to make sure that you have discussions UM. And even
48:58
Speaker 1: if you're not partnered, whatever were the family configuration that
49:02
Speaker 1: your child will be born into that everybody's on the
49:05
Speaker 1: same page about parenting style because UM, you know, I
49:11
Speaker 1: was really clear with my son's father, and he was
49:14
Speaker 1: really clear with me that we would not be um,
49:18
Speaker 1: physically hitting our child. And I'm someone who grew up
49:21
Speaker 1: spanked whoopings as we called it, right, like getting getting
49:26
Speaker 1: whooped and and I remember reading something as an adult
49:32
Speaker 1: actually about what constitutes abuse, and I was reading a
49:37
Speaker 1: list and I was like, oh my god, I experienced
49:39
Speaker 1: all these things as a child, right, and not realizing
49:42
Speaker 1: or having language for those experiences and being able to say, hey,
49:46
Speaker 1: this was not okay. And as a child, you know
49:50
Speaker 1: it's not right, but you're not actually in a position
49:52
Speaker 1: to be able to advocate for yourself because you're a child.
49:56
Speaker 1: And so what that does to a child is, UM,
50:01
Speaker 1: it actually makes it really challenging or incapacitates them in
50:06
Speaker 1: certain ways to be able to self actualized. And so UM,
50:12
Speaker 1: we're supposed to have our human needs met through the
50:15
Speaker 1: folks who take care of us and UM, and that
50:18
Speaker 1: starts at a at a basic level when you're born. UM.
50:23
Speaker 1: An infant learns within the first few hours of life
50:26
Speaker 1: whether or not the world is a safe place. And
50:29
Speaker 1: it learns that, UM primarily through connection. If there is
50:34
Speaker 1: a buffering adult presence, like it's mother or a birthing person,
50:38
Speaker 1: or you know, a family member who's holding them that
50:42
Speaker 1: is how a baby knows that it's safe. Um, we
50:45
Speaker 1: are hardwired for connection. We cannot survive individually. So this
50:51
Speaker 1: idea of rugged individualism, and you know, training your children
50:55
Speaker 1: to be independent, they're not independent, their interdependent beings. They
50:59
Speaker 1: are social beings. They depend on you. That's where they're
51:02
Speaker 1: called dependence. Um, they depend on you. And and there's
51:07
Speaker 1: no amount of um of like you know, I guess like, um,
51:15
Speaker 1: I don't know what to even call this training. I
51:17
Speaker 1: guess that will unhook this primal need and actually make
51:25
Speaker 1: them be somehow self sufficient. So they're not designed to
51:29
Speaker 1: be that way. And so some of the things that
51:31
Speaker 1: we can stop doing now right and stop repeating now
51:35
Speaker 1: that I'm really I would love a lot of parents
51:37
Speaker 1: to interrogate because of sort of how we've been raised
51:43
Speaker 1: and things that we've been embodied. So in our community specifically,
51:47
Speaker 1: there's this whole idea about spoiling your children. Oh, don't
51:49
Speaker 1: pick up the baby, you'll spoil it. Don't do this right.
51:52
Speaker 1: And what I can say is that you cannot spoil
51:54
Speaker 1: a child. You cannot spoil a child. What you can
51:57
Speaker 1: do is is prime them with emotional intelligence and with
52:03
Speaker 1: self confidence. You can prime them with a sense of
52:09
Speaker 1: connection and community. You can help them to UH neurologically
52:15
Speaker 1: develop through connection and through touch. UM you can help
52:19
Speaker 1: them to understand what positive um stress looks like versus
52:25
Speaker 1: toxic stress. You can help them to also develop their
52:29
Speaker 1: capacity to heal UM and you can also help to
52:35
Speaker 1: heal the genetic blueprint of your own lineage through raising
52:42
Speaker 1: through from birth, from pregnancy, right so so because the
52:45
Speaker 1: wound was the first environment, right, so, from pregnancy, through
52:49
Speaker 1: birth and the childhood period, you can change the legacy.
52:55
Speaker 1: You do not have to do it how it was
52:56
Speaker 1: done to you. You not have to spank or leave
52:59
Speaker 1: your kid in a container or whatever. You can wear
53:02
Speaker 1: your baby, you can hold your baby, you can nurse
53:06
Speaker 1: your baby or bottle feet or whatever you're doing. But
53:08
Speaker 1: you can you can support this human being that's dependent
53:11
Speaker 1: upon you. I always teach that UM. You know, it's
53:14
Speaker 1: like ten months, really ten moons of intributor ingestations, So
53:20
Speaker 1: ten moons inside the body and ten moons on onto
53:23
Speaker 1: the body outside the body, onto the body, right, and
53:27
Speaker 1: so this your chest becomes the external wound. Right the
53:33
Speaker 1: breasts or this plate which can by the way, by temperature,
53:38
Speaker 1: can adjust to heat and cool the baby as necessary. Right,
53:43
Speaker 1: that becomes the external wound to look after the baby
53:47
Speaker 1: for the next ten months, because as we know, they
53:50
Speaker 1: don't start really being able to move around. They start
53:53
Speaker 1: walking kind of ten eleven, twelve months, their teen months,
53:56
Speaker 1: but before ten months they really need to be held.
53:59
Speaker 1: And so we we have to kind of orient ourselves
54:03
Speaker 1: around the fact that this is how community was designed, right,
54:08
Speaker 1: so to care for the children, and that, by the way,
54:12
Speaker 1: it wasn't just solely on the mom or on the women.
54:16
Speaker 1: It was actually an intra community experience and men will
54:20
Speaker 1: were also caregivers. And um, it's also very interesting to
54:24
Speaker 1: note that we have science for that to show that
54:26
Speaker 1: like even fathers or partners, right if um, if you
54:30
Speaker 1: have a male partner, for instance, um, his testosterone levels
54:34
Speaker 1: drop significantly, right, but at least thirty five sometimes fort
54:40
Speaker 1: towards the end of a pregnancy to start to accommodate
54:44
Speaker 1: the ability to caregive. And yeah, and actually he develops estrogen.
54:48
Speaker 1: M estrogen, estrogen, estrogen, he develops estrogen. So these things
54:53
Speaker 1: are because caregiving is in all of our capacity. So
54:58
Speaker 1: I would I would remember at like we all can
55:01
Speaker 1: bring something to the lives of these little ones, whether
55:04
Speaker 1: you're a parent, whether you're somebody who's going to co parent, adopt,
55:09
Speaker 1: whether you're someone who's just in the life of children,
55:12
Speaker 1: that we have to treat them humanely. We cannot treat
55:16
Speaker 1: them like their property. They're on loan to us. They're
55:20
Speaker 1: on loan to us, right, and so we need to
55:23
Speaker 1: we need to take care of them and understand that
55:25
Speaker 1: children are our guides, you know. I see my son
55:27
Speaker 1: is like somebody. I just hold his hand and I'm like,
55:30
Speaker 1: you know, just there to gently guide as we cross
55:32
Speaker 1: the river together. And I'm like, okay, watch your step
55:34
Speaker 1: and I'm not here to pull him this way or
55:37
Speaker 1: that way or tell him where to go, but to
55:39
Speaker 1: just listen and and nurture and love and protect. And
55:45
Speaker 1: they have to know that you're safe. They have to
55:47
Speaker 1: know that you're a safe space. Because if we develop
55:51
Speaker 1: a relationship whereby um, we dictate that we're a power,
55:56
Speaker 1: you know, force in their life, and that you know,
56:00
Speaker 1: um um, we're like a punitive you know force in
56:04
Speaker 1: their life, we model the systems that actually keep us
56:08
Speaker 1: from being free. And so we don't want to police
56:11
Speaker 1: our children. We don't want them to feel unsafe in
56:15
Speaker 1: the world. We don't want them to feel unsafe in
56:16
Speaker 1: the home. And we don't want to model white supremacist
56:20
Speaker 1: patriarchy in our homes by touching them and appropriately by
56:24
Speaker 1: hitting them, by by punishing them in ways that are
56:28
Speaker 1: not constructive and um. And we don't certainly want to
56:32
Speaker 1: make them feel like they have, like they're confined. And
56:35
Speaker 1: so children have to be able to feel like they
56:37
Speaker 1: can live into possibility that they can imagine and um.
56:43
Speaker 1: One of the biggest disservices that happens to our children
56:46
Speaker 1: is that like that capacity for imagination and for possibility
56:50
Speaker 1: and who they can become gets squandered and gets shut
56:55
Speaker 1: down because of adults that don't realize how impactful there
56:59
Speaker 1: were and their actions are. And so we just have
57:03
Speaker 1: to be so mindful and um. You know this is
57:07
Speaker 1: on the heels of of debby being a part of
57:10
Speaker 1: roll Mental Health Day and UM and doing a lot
57:13
Speaker 1: of work around this this exact topic. It's important to
57:17
Speaker 1: do your your work and you know, seek out license
57:20
Speaker 1: mental health support before the baby arrives, before you even
57:24
Speaker 1: if you can do this before you're thinking about getting pregnant,
57:26
Speaker 1: like really go through your life and really assess where
57:29
Speaker 1: you need to heal the mother wound, where you need
57:32
Speaker 1: to heal other aspects of childhood where you need to
57:36
Speaker 1: address like issues with your father or other people in
57:40
Speaker 1: your life and UM. And then also the biggest piece
57:44
Speaker 1: for me that has been so important is you know,
57:47
Speaker 1: like lean into your practices that help you to build resilience,
57:53
Speaker 1: that help you to UM. You know, like I think
57:56
Speaker 1: about somatic healing is a big piece of how we
57:59
Speaker 1: get on the other side, because the wounds that we
58:02
Speaker 1: have are not that not things that just were talked through, Like,
58:07
Speaker 1: these are things that happened and and live in ourselves
58:10
Speaker 1: and our tissues. And like they say that issues are
58:12
Speaker 1: in your tissues, right, if we can bring those issues
58:15
Speaker 1: to surface and find the practices that work for you.
58:18
Speaker 1: If it's twerking, if it's if it's singing, if it's right,
58:22
Speaker 1: like I think it's working in health care practice right,
58:25
Speaker 1: like whatever it is right, like move your body moving
58:28
Speaker 1: through you saying meditate, like do what you need to
58:32
Speaker 1: do to move stuff through you. Also, and know that
58:35
Speaker 1: those practices that we have ancestrally can help us to UM.
58:39
Speaker 1: So you don't have to just go to a license
58:41
Speaker 1: mental health provider. I think it's important to distinguish that
58:46
Speaker 1: um Mental health providers help us to process right. They
58:49
Speaker 1: help us to process, contextualize, And the only way to
58:53
Speaker 1: heal is to like actually work through the body. The
58:56
Speaker 1: body is a conduit for healing. So find your healing
59:00
Speaker 1: practices that that resonate for you, find the people who
59:04
Speaker 1: resonate for you, and and make sure that once these
59:07
Speaker 1: children arrived, that you maintain those practices and that you
59:10
Speaker 1: bring in the support systems that you need to help
59:12
Speaker 1: me maintain those practices. This is why doula work is
59:15
Speaker 1: so important, because we can help bridge those gaps for
59:17
Speaker 1: people too. But this is critical for us to do
59:21
Speaker 1: because it's not fair when when children come and and
59:25
Speaker 1: they leave these lives where they they could have had
59:29
Speaker 1: more right, Like a lot of us can think back
59:31
Speaker 1: to things that we probably like I think about stumbling blocks,
59:34
Speaker 1: right that I just would have avoided had I been
59:37
Speaker 1: held a certain way, right, And so we we all
59:41
Speaker 1: deserve that. So if we can do the work, and
59:43
Speaker 1: I love the question because if we can do the work,
59:45
Speaker 1: I think it's amazing. Most of us just find ourselves.
59:48
Speaker 1: I found myself pregnant, like we didn't plan it, but
59:50
Speaker 1: Messa was definitely wanted, but it wasn't like I had
59:52
Speaker 1: all this time to like really map it all out.
59:56
Speaker 1: But what I will say is you have freaking forty weeks.
59:59
Speaker 1: It's ten months, right, So even if you find yourself pregnant,
1:00:03
Speaker 1: you have ten months to really like hook in and
1:00:07
Speaker 1: decide like how you want to show up to the
1:00:09
Speaker 1: experience and who you want to become. On the other side, Rocking,
1:00:26
Speaker 1: that was such a powerful, full answer, and there is
1:00:35
Speaker 1: wow to further echo everything that you said. Um, some
1:00:41
Speaker 1: questions popped up in my mind that those listening that
1:00:44
Speaker 1: are really really resonating with what we're speaking to. I
1:00:49
Speaker 1: have three journal prompts that you may enjoy everyone. UM,
1:00:55
Speaker 1: I gotta pens. I'm ready and I'm thinking, I'm thinking
1:01:00
Speaker 1: for for this, for these prompts, for this soul work.
1:01:04
Speaker 1: You know this can us in service even if you
1:01:07
Speaker 1: are not a parent and have no plans to be
1:01:10
Speaker 1: to nourish, nurturing and reparenting your own self. UM, we
1:01:15
Speaker 1: don't on a human cognitive level choose our circumstance. On
1:01:20
Speaker 1: a spiritual level, I very much believe we do, um,
1:01:24
Speaker 1: but we are in charge of our healing. And I
1:01:27
Speaker 1: think sometimes what keeps us from our healing, especially in
1:01:30
Speaker 1: deeper trauma, is we think that to acknowledge it means
1:01:34
Speaker 1: that we're taking responsibility for it, for the things that happened,
1:01:38
Speaker 1: for the things that we didn't want to know. And
1:01:40
Speaker 1: so I just want to express to everyone listening as
1:01:42
Speaker 1: I unload these questions, as you really kind of unpack
1:01:47
Speaker 1: the depth of wisdom that Latham just shared with you.
1:01:51
Speaker 1: Um and you can revisit this episode, pause, rewind, send it,
1:01:57
Speaker 1: but really think whether these questions are relive it to
1:02:00
Speaker 1: you for your reparenting journey, or these are things to
1:02:03
Speaker 1: just really start leaning into. And you don't have to
1:02:05
Speaker 1: do it perfectly. Generally doesn't have to be done dear
1:02:08
Speaker 1: diary style. It can be bullet point, may be one word,
1:02:10
Speaker 1: it can be you know, just all the things out.
1:02:15
Speaker 1: But when you think about how you were parented, the
1:02:20
Speaker 1: first journal prompt would be I want you to sit
1:02:23
Speaker 1: and think what did I need? What did I need?
1:02:29
Speaker 1: And start writing that down slowly, And you don't have
1:02:31
Speaker 1: to do it all at once, come back to it
1:02:33
Speaker 1: over a week, over a couple of weeks, But what
1:02:36
Speaker 1: did I need? At a deeper deeper level than maybe
1:02:41
Speaker 1: just the shoes. But if that was a need, if
1:02:43
Speaker 1: that was a neglecting in your life, write that down.
1:02:47
Speaker 1: What did I need? The second question, to just sit
1:02:52
Speaker 1: with an experience, would be what did I deserve? M?
1:02:58
Speaker 1: What did I deserve? What did deserve to know? What
1:03:01
Speaker 1: did I deserve to have access to? What did I
1:03:04
Speaker 1: deserve to feel? Because you are a worthy being now
1:03:08
Speaker 1: in this moment, irregardless of life circumstances, what I deserve
1:03:15
Speaker 1: mm hmm. And then the third question, and this one
1:03:21
Speaker 1: go gently, but keep going. What hurt me? M M?
1:03:27
Speaker 1: What hurt me? What did I experience in my life
1:03:32
Speaker 1: that hurt me? And there's no hierarchy to pain, So
1:03:36
Speaker 1: even if you did not, you know, experience physical abuse,
1:03:40
Speaker 1: there are other things that hurt you. Right, was there
1:03:43
Speaker 1: a time that you weren't fully seen where you were
1:03:45
Speaker 1: excited and passionate about something and it wasn't noticed? You
1:03:49
Speaker 1: know what hurt you? And then as you spend time
1:03:54
Speaker 1: with this over a period of time, and I want
1:03:57
Speaker 1: you to keep these pages everyone whatever you journal too,
1:04:00
Speaker 1: and you can really track your progress as you work
1:04:02
Speaker 1: through these thoughts, you get the opportunity to reverse engineer
1:04:09
Speaker 1: a childhood, for the person, for the human being, for
1:04:13
Speaker 1: the soul that you bring forward. This is how you
1:04:17
Speaker 1: find the quote unquote better way to do it. This
1:04:21
Speaker 1: is how you find your power. This is how you
1:04:23
Speaker 1: find the ability to show up in a way that
1:04:26
Speaker 1: was not modeled for you. Yeah. Yeah, So spend time
1:04:32
Speaker 1: with that everyone, if it feels like it resonates late them.
1:04:37
Speaker 1: I am so grateful for your time today. Thank you
1:04:40
Speaker 1: for your life, thank you for all that you do
1:04:44
Speaker 1: in the world, thank you for your wisdom, and thank
1:04:46
Speaker 1: you for sharing this space with me. Debby. I'm still
1:04:51
Speaker 1: on the reflections. I'm still sitting with the reflections, and
1:04:57
Speaker 1: I know that those listening are sitting with those action still. UM.
1:05:03
Speaker 1: I mean I could visualize something like not even just
1:05:09
Speaker 1: you know in my mind think through the words that came,
1:05:15
Speaker 1: but I could see instances in my life, right, especially
1:05:20
Speaker 1: for the last one, I could see an instance in
1:05:22
Speaker 1: my life. And and so I just wanna underscore the
1:05:29
Speaker 1: power of the prompts and the invitation, right like to
1:05:36
Speaker 1: be in a space with UM a guide. I mean,
1:05:41
Speaker 1: this is like having your own you know vision dula
1:05:45
Speaker 1: here through dervy to UM you know, surface for yourself
1:05:53
Speaker 1: what it is that that you need to reveal, but
1:05:58
Speaker 1: also what it is that you need to he ll,
1:06:00
Speaker 1: what is it you need to become. And so it's
1:06:03
Speaker 1: such a blessing to first of all to be in
1:06:05
Speaker 1: community with you, but also to see the delicate nature
1:06:10
Speaker 1: in which you are handling those UM approaching this space.
1:06:17
Speaker 1: Because the entry point has to be UM, you have
1:06:24
Speaker 1: to approach it with such precision but also with such gentleness,
1:06:29
Speaker 1: right and and that is what you're getting here, is
1:06:32
Speaker 1: like the tenderness and the love and the and the
1:06:38
Speaker 1: precision in in like knowing exactly where to direct that
1:06:43
Speaker 1: questioning for us to be in relationship with ourselves, you know,
1:06:50
Speaker 1: with with our stories, with our bodies, um and and
1:06:57
Speaker 1: for the purpose of like growth, right Like. I think
1:07:00
Speaker 1: it's such a blessing, you know, to be able to
1:07:02
Speaker 1: be UM, you have to be able to be held
1:07:06
Speaker 1: in that way, you know, And so I just gave thanks.
1:07:09
Speaker 1: I think, you know, there's there's so many spaces that
1:07:13
Speaker 1: y'all could be listening and being, but UM, I think
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Speaker 1: that every opportunity that I've had to be in community
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Speaker 1: or sheer space or just witness how Debbie shows up,
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Speaker 1: it's always in a way where UM, she's carrying you UM,
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Speaker 1: you know and with the intention of you know, making
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Speaker 1: sure that when she places you down gently, that you're
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Speaker 1: better off and UM. And so I thank you for
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Speaker 1: holding and having the capacity to hold and um and
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Speaker 1: for being a powerful skate space keeper and wisdom keeper
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Speaker 1: and mother and healer and diviner. Um. I'm priest is
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Speaker 1: you know like you bring so much magic and you
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Speaker 1: model also what we need to see more of in
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Speaker 1: the world. And so I give thanks for you. UM.
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Speaker 1: I asked that you continue to be blessed and UM,
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Speaker 1: that you and your family continue to thrive, and that
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Speaker 1: you're continuously feeling supported and fortified to shine your light
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Speaker 1: with evanescent warmth to have the impact of healing. And
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Speaker 1: I thank you for the opportunity to be in community
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Speaker 1: with you and be witnessed by you through your lens.
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Speaker 1: And just thank you again for the beautiful um, just
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Speaker 1: the beautiful wave that we were able to ride today
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Speaker 1: and and um and also to allow me to be
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Speaker 1: a part of the prompting because those are questions that
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Speaker 1: we can never we can never ask ourselves enough right
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Speaker 1: and in certain days, like DEVI said, you can come
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Speaker 1: back and you'll find that you can bring something else up.
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Speaker 1: But everything that comes up and everything that we can
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Speaker 1: feel can can help us. He also, I'm so thankful
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Speaker 1: to you. Thank you. Thank I'm so thankful God. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for the way you just spoke over my life.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for seeing me, thank you for reflecting that
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Speaker 1: back to me. M m mm hmm. God help me.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you. I love you, love you.
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Speaker 1: I know me too. I can't wait. I'm like, I
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Speaker 1: don't even know what it means to say like seeing
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Speaker 1: people soon, because what is this? What is life right now? Like?
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Speaker 1: What is life right? We're like, you know, it's i'll
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Speaker 1: see you, but you know what it's us do. It's
1:10:00
Speaker 1: like when we say okay, yeah, i'll see you like now,
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Speaker 1: it like really makes us think about like the moments
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Speaker 1: that we still took for granted with being outside and
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Speaker 1: seeing somebody like i'll see you next week or I'll
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Speaker 1: go i'll see you at the next event or now
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Speaker 1: it's like wow, right, like you know where it's not
1:10:18
Speaker 1: just the zoom, it's like no, people want to like
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Speaker 1: see people and be you with people and touch their
1:10:23
Speaker 1: hands and feel their pulse and feel their warmth. And
1:10:26
Speaker 1: and yeah, so I can't wait for us to do
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Speaker 1: that and just like hug it up, thug it out
1:10:30
Speaker 1: in the street with tears, hugging. Next time you're in
1:10:36
Speaker 1: l A or I'm in New York, we have a
1:10:38
Speaker 1: hug appointment. We are. That's exactly right, shine in somebody's courtyard,
1:10:44
Speaker 1: just like that's exactly right. Amen to that. No, absolutely,
1:10:52
Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you everyone. Please share this episode with
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1:11:04
Speaker 1: to all of Latham's powerful work, especially uh there is
1:11:09
Speaker 1: an amazing interview that she did with the Breakfast Club
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Speaker 1: that I really love that was about preserving joy, self
1:11:15
Speaker 1: care and really holistic wellness. Look that up. Need to
1:11:20
Speaker 1: watch it, um. And just I mean the books that
1:11:24
Speaker 1: the instagram, Latham, Thomas ah, all the things, all the things.
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Speaker 1: Thank you everyone for listening. I must stay uh this episode,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, uh so amazing. Thank you Latham. And
1:11:47
Speaker 1: I want to make sure everyone that feels called has
1:11:51
Speaker 1: the opportunity to connect with the big event that Latham
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Speaker 1: is doing on October. So if you're hearing this episode
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Speaker 1: October one, te one, Latham is hosting the DULA Expo
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Speaker 1: by Mama Glow. They gather birth workers, Dula's brands, partners
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Speaker 1: and supporters under one roof for a day of inspired learning, community,
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Speaker 1: personal growth, workforce development, economic empowerment, authentic connection and business building.
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Speaker 1: This is the Dulah Expo by Mama Glow. So if
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Speaker 1: you are a mom, if you are a Dulah, if
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Speaker 1: you are a birth worker, if you are a healer,
1:12:34
Speaker 1: or if you're somebody that is curious, intrigued, or feeling
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Speaker 1: called to this work, whether for self expiration or as
1:12:42
Speaker 1: part of your purpose dharmaic path, highly highly recommend checking
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Speaker 1: it out. It's gonna be happening in October, tending m
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Speaker 1: to six pm. So a nice, really full day of immersion,
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Speaker 1: of learning, of growing, and it will be taking place
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Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, New York. Brooklyn, New York, Brooklyn, New York
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Speaker 1: Doula Expo by Mama Glow. So you can head to
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Speaker 1: the website universe dot com, forward slash Events, Forward Slash
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Speaker 1: DULA Expo. You might need to do a little plane
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Speaker 1: around with that link, but I'll also provide the link
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