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Capítulo 045: Erotic As Power · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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Speaker 1: Radio Radio Radio Commies, a myth and bullshit radio phonic
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Speaker 1: Now you have the audio. Now to tune into. UM.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, thanks for coming, thanks for listening, for being,
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Speaker 1: thanks for being here with us. We're barely here, okay. Yes,
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Speaker 1: we like have been working per usual right as you know, UM.
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Speaker 1: And you know, last night we were actually at MacArthur
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Speaker 1: Park for um Levitt l A's Columbian Independence Day celebrations.
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Speaker 1: A lot of fun. It was with La Junta l A.
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Speaker 1: They curated the show, they had fenders, they had um
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Speaker 1: Afro Garibe was just debuted. Actually yesterday was their first
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Speaker 1: performance ever in l A. Was it really I didn't
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Speaker 1: realize that. Yeah. And then they flew out another group
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Speaker 1: or another musician from Colombia actually, and he goes by
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Speaker 1: the name of Tokubra and he was really good. Everything
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Speaker 1: was really amazing. UM. So anyway, we were there last
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Speaker 1: night and as you know, Live LA will be having
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Speaker 1: fifty free concerts the rest of the summer. We will
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Speaker 1: be hosting some of them in August, so we will
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Speaker 1: let you know so y'all can come through and hanging
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Speaker 1: out with us. Yeah. Yeah, but anyway, needless to say,
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Speaker 1: since we were doing that yesterday, and then of course
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Speaker 1: we had to go to Gumbieton afterwards. We had to
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Speaker 1: we are tired today. We are a little bit tired,
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Speaker 1: but we're here because podcasting never stops. Podcasting is like
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Speaker 1: podcasting for anybody. But we've we've recorded plenty of severely
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Speaker 1: hungover and dehydrated, like maybe even sunburned. I don't you
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Speaker 1: probably probably we survive. Yes, here we are, though here
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Speaker 1: we are so other things that have happened, well, things
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Speaker 1: to look forward to, things to look forward to. Yes,
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Speaker 1: So we actually have a location for l a meet
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Speaker 1: up that's happening Saturday, August eleven from three to five pm.
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Speaker 1: And it's going to be at Delicious Pizza. And they
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Speaker 1: have two locations, so the one that we're actually going
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Speaker 1: to be at is the West Adam's location. So we
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Speaker 1: will be posting the flyer when it's ready very soon.
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Speaker 1: And yes, so we'll be there Saturday from three to
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Speaker 1: five at Delicious Pizza. Um, yeah, come back, come hang
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Speaker 1: out with us for your poppy hats. Bring your poppy hats.
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Speaker 1: We'll have merched for sale. If you already have your
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Speaker 1: poppy hat, come through where it. Let's yes, let's have
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Speaker 1: a Pianna party pizza parlor. Yes, a literation my favorite.
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Speaker 1: We live for literation. What do we really we really
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Speaker 1: do live for literation anyway. Anyway, anyways, so another exciting
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Speaker 1: announcement things that um well, that I want to share. Yeah, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: go ahead. So because this is a Survivor Center podcast.
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Speaker 1: So as you know you all know listeners, UM well,
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Speaker 1: for the past four years, I have been volunteering, well
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Speaker 1: mostly working and volunteering as a rape crisis councilor advocate.
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Speaker 1: So on Wednesday, um the SPS took place. Yes, they
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Speaker 1: did the SPS And that's like the annual awards show
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Speaker 1: that ESPN puts together to like highlight athletics, um across
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Speaker 1: like different types of sports, college pros and like you know,
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Speaker 1: highlight the year in athletics and new players and all
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Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. So one of the awards that
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Speaker 1: they give out at the end of the night is
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Speaker 1: the Arthur Ash Courage Awards. So last year, if you remember,
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Speaker 1: Caitlin Jenner was awarded the Arthur Ash Courageward. And yes,
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Speaker 1: and there was controversy. There was lots of thoughts and
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Speaker 1: feelings about Caitlin winning it because is how brave really
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Speaker 1: is Caitlin. There's lots of trans women globally, I think
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Speaker 1: who have been very brave and courageous with much having
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Speaker 1: to work with much less than a Caitlin Jenner. Absolutely well,
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Speaker 1: you know that neither this bet or the other. So
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Speaker 1: that was last year. This year, ESPN turned around and
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Speaker 1: what they decided to do for the Arthur Ash Courage Award.
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Speaker 1: ESPN flew out one hundred and forty one of the
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Speaker 1: athletes survivors who were sexually abused by now disgraced you know,
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Speaker 1: Olympic US Gymnastics doctor Larry Nasser. So over the course
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Speaker 1: of three decades, thirty years UM, Larry Nasser sexually abused
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Speaker 1: over three hundred young athletes, and ESPN flew out hundred
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Speaker 1: and forty one of them, and they asked us our
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Speaker 1: crisis counseling team to be on site at the SPS
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Speaker 1: to provide just that crisis counseling support for the survivors. UM.
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Speaker 1: We hung out with them at the after party, We
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Speaker 1: talked to them, We met some of the survivors who
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Speaker 1: you know, actually maybe images of them or their their
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Speaker 1: victim impact statement that they read in court had gone
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Speaker 1: viral or you might have seen them online or in
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Speaker 1: the news. So it was really incredible to just share
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Speaker 1: space with them. And connect with them. And it was
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Speaker 1: very honored that they wanted to talk to us and
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Speaker 1: that they wanted to share and that they felt comfortable
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Speaker 1: doing so, So thank you ESPN and the SPS. And
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Speaker 1: it was really exciting for me to also be involved
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Speaker 1: because I'm no longer working as a rape crisis counselor.
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Speaker 1: I'm transitioning. I'm going to go teach um. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to go teach human development, and I think that it's
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Speaker 1: just a really good shift for me. And so this
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Speaker 1: being one of my last major events that I participated
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Speaker 1: in as like a full time crisis counselor, it was
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Speaker 1: really special. So yeah, bitter sweet, I like woke up
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Speaker 1: this morning like super like I felt very light because
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Speaker 1: I handed over all of my cases yesterday. I closed
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Speaker 1: them out, like almost three hundred cases over the course
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Speaker 1: of the past three years. So yeah, new chapters. I'm
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Speaker 1: am like, honestly, as somebody that loves you, I am
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Speaker 1: very excited that you are like moving on to something
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Speaker 1: just as important. Write human development. Shaping children's lives essentially
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Speaker 1: is what you will be doing, and that they actually
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Speaker 1: become informed individuals, you know, and deconstructing and learning about
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Speaker 1: rape culture. So like, your work is obviously going to continue,
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Speaker 1: but I'm really excited that you will no longer be
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Speaker 1: on call. Yes me to thank you. On call life
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Speaker 1: is not easy seven emergency response you know, it becomes
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Speaker 1: a way of life. And then like now I'm like, okay,
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Speaker 1: now I need to adjust to be sort of like
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Speaker 1: a normal person again, right, you know whatever that means.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, exciting times. Thank you all for rocking with
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Speaker 1: me through it, because the podcast has been with me
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Speaker 1: through it for almost um, you know, two years now.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, yes, I'm like very happy, thanks for happy
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Speaker 1: for you, and like, thank you for sharing about the SPS,
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Speaker 1: the awards that you were at absolutely and time anytime. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so now we're being onto our next segments. We have
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Speaker 1: oh ye look as yea our favorite come here this
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Speaker 1: is my favorite always fifteen seconds aside from our intro.
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Speaker 1: All right, Um, so a few weeks ago or two
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Speaker 1: weeks ago, um, we posted on the Instagram the cool
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Speaker 1: Little Question feature that they now offer. So we got
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Speaker 1: really great questions and we wanted to answer them on
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Speaker 1: the podcast because we weren't able to answer them all
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Speaker 1: social media. So this question is, would you all be
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Speaker 1: open to making an episode centered around motherhood. I'm a
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Speaker 1: Loca mom and which we love, and the listener came
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Speaker 1: up with herself, love it. Look a mommy is also
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Speaker 1: very cute. Looco mommy is really cute. Loco mommy is
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Speaker 1: super cute. Wow, we should actually start saying that, right,
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. The possibilities are endless. Our local motives
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Speaker 1: and our local mommy, whatever you prefer, I love it. Anyway, Yes,
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Speaker 1: we would absolutely, definitely, I would love to to have
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Speaker 1: an episode centered around motherhood. And yeah, and like mothers,
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Speaker 1: Like it's a very political role that like mothers have
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Speaker 1: and I think that it would be Obviously we are
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Speaker 1: not mothers, we are daughter mothers. We have perricus so
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Speaker 1: which I learned the other day, which I think is
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Speaker 1: really fucking cute. Anyway, anyway, going going back to people
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Speaker 1: that actually parent children, UM right, I think that yes, definitely,
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Speaker 1: we would love to have a guest. Um, we would
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Speaker 1: love to have a guest on the show to discuss
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Speaker 1: like the politics of motherhood, being being a being a mother, Um, Like,
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Speaker 1: what is it like raising your children in this world
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Speaker 1: that we live in, especially if you're raising daughters. I
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Speaker 1: know we do have a listener um out in Texas
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Speaker 1: that like listens with her seventeen year old daughter, which
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Speaker 1: I think is amazing. She did tell us that she
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Speaker 1: let us know, which I thought was really cool and exciting. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so we obviously do have mothers that are listening. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's see, let's plant that seed and
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Speaker 1: see plant that seed the other we we've also talked
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Speaker 1: about doing episodes with our mothers. Yes, we also have,
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Speaker 1: We just have not our mom. My mom is a
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Speaker 1: lot and we would have to like it could be
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Speaker 1: a really funny episode, but we just haven't done it yet.
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Speaker 1: We haven't been wrangled. We haven't wrangled yet. We've talked
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Speaker 1: about it, and they would love it. My mom is
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Speaker 1: a little shy, but your mom both would thrive. My
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Speaker 1: mom would take over the entire thing, she really would.
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Speaker 1: She would start her own podcast within the post right right, anyway,
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Speaker 1: Martha will get her own segment. Yeah, my mom's name
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Speaker 1: is that will get her own secon Yes, she will.
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Speaker 1: So thank you for the question. Yes, we're working on it.
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Speaker 1: We're thinking about it. Yes, Okay. Next question is what
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Speaker 1: was the hardest thing about starting the podcast? Not telling
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Speaker 1: anyone about it, keeping it a secret was really really difficult,
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Speaker 1: especially because at the time, like the Mommy Collective was
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Speaker 1: really for me, and like you know that there's like
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Speaker 1: creatives in there as well, so like not sharing what
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Speaker 1: we were doing, and then also like us being together
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Speaker 1: alive without like the other mommies too. It's like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're working on something, starting to formulate our relationship of
11:19
Speaker 1: the group. The group. Yeah, um yeah, So I would
11:22
Speaker 1: say keeping it a secret. I would also say, um,
11:26
Speaker 1: getting getting like committed to the consistency of like showing
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Speaker 1: up to do it. Yeah, you know, like you have
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Speaker 1: to really decide I'm going to show up constantly to
11:36
Speaker 1: keep working on this thing, even when we don't know
11:39
Speaker 1: is anybody even gonna like it, is anybody gonna listen?
11:42
Speaker 1: Like is this going to cost us money or we
11:43
Speaker 1: gonna you know, like what are are incentives to show up?
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Speaker 1: We just had to decide to do it. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, and I think having now that, I mean,
11:55
Speaker 1: if we've been recording it a spots you for a while,
11:57
Speaker 1: so it gave us that extra incentive because we had
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Speaker 1: an actual recording space as opposed to and we were
12:03
Speaker 1: recording either like a Mala's apartment or when movie that
12:06
Speaker 1: would lend us their space, which was amazing, but that
12:09
Speaker 1: also took a lot of commitment and scheduling from on
12:12
Speaker 1: our end and set up and set up creating a
12:15
Speaker 1: studio space right in a boutique or in Mala's kitchen
12:20
Speaker 1: where if you've been listening for a long time, you remember,
12:23
Speaker 1: you remember there was the smoke detector beating. And the
12:26
Speaker 1: thing is, we took the smoke detector off and we
12:29
Speaker 1: like we took out the battery or something, and it
12:32
Speaker 1: would not stop, you know what I mean. So those
12:34
Speaker 1: things that happen, it happened at the time, it right right,
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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, it's been fun. It's been fun
12:46
Speaker 1: more than anything. We've been growing. We grow with the podcast.
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Speaker 1: I like feel myself like growing all the time. I mean,
12:52
Speaker 1: growing is obviously natural and it's going to happen. I
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Speaker 1: just like see it happening in the best way, ladies.
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Speaker 1: And the podcast, like my opinion, is obviously getting better
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Speaker 1: because we're we've learned more and we know what we're doing.
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Speaker 1: And sometimes we're a little loopy when we're tired, but
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Speaker 1: I mean, for the most part, like we know what
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Speaker 1: we're doing. Yeah, And I think to like, Okay, it's
13:13
Speaker 1: being comfortable, which is having like the small talk and
13:15
Speaker 1: the chit chat, and it doesn't have to be every
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Speaker 1: second of its structure. Yes, yeah, and like for those
13:20
Speaker 1: that don't know, like, we do have a capital guide
13:23
Speaker 1: that we make um, but it's not scripted. Everything is unscripted.
13:27
Speaker 1: We have like little bullet points of what we want
13:29
Speaker 1: to touch on because we're very forgetful when we really
13:32
Speaker 1: get into things, so we need to like bring it back,
13:36
Speaker 1: remind us, Yes, remind ourselves, remind ourselves, especially if we
13:39
Speaker 1: have important announcements. Yes. Yeah. Oh wait, you know what
13:44
Speaker 1: else we did upright, Citizen's Brigade. We talked about that
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Speaker 1: in the last one. Oh I forgot Okay, I'm like
13:50
Speaker 1: what I feel like, other things have occurred. I felt
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Speaker 1: that way too. Oh I went to New Orleans a
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Speaker 1: little vaca. Tell us about your vacad Yeah, okay, So
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Speaker 1: my man and I went to New or Leans and
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Speaker 1: it was so much fun. All we did was drink
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Speaker 1: and eat, and like I will say, I'm like very
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Speaker 1: very sad. I actually didn't go to any museums. And
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Speaker 1: I'm like kind of devastated to even admit that but
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Speaker 1: what did you do? Um? We did like the swamp tour.
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Speaker 1: What did you think of the swamp? Okay? First of all,
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Speaker 1: it was like an hour outside of New Orleans, which
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Speaker 1: is expected, right, but I was like, oh my god,
14:26
Speaker 1: we're like literally in the South. I was like, Fernanto,
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Speaker 1: hold my hands, like we can we cannot get lost, bay,
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Speaker 1: we cannot get lost out here, right? Yes? Um. That
14:38
Speaker 1: was actually kind of the joke the whole trip. It
14:39
Speaker 1: was like come here, You're gonna get lost here, yes, um.
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Speaker 1: So anyway, um, yeah, I know it was a lot
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Speaker 1: of fun. But while we were there, actually, so on
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Speaker 1: our way out, this person wasn't on our tour, but
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Speaker 1: they were on another tour. Um, we saw someone with
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Speaker 1: a Confederate flag shirt. Yeah, because like two children and
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Speaker 1: his like very white wife obviously, And I was like, fuck,
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Speaker 1: you're just like raising these little like white supremacists, like
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Speaker 1: they're going to grow up and be just like you
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Speaker 1: and exactly right. But to see like somebody like actually
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Speaker 1: wearing a Confederate flag shirt and it said like still
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Speaker 1: standing and we had like a long ponytail, I was
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Speaker 1: like I was like, home, come here, do not leave. Yes,
15:21
Speaker 1: um yeah, But other than that, I mean, the people
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Speaker 1: were really amazing, Like we felt really safe. We were
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Speaker 1: like living or not living. We were staying at an airbnb,
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Speaker 1: um and we were able to take public transport the
15:31
Speaker 1: whole time, and we like we like did like the
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Speaker 1: New Orleans things like that you're supposed to do. I
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Speaker 1: was not a fan of Bourbon Street. I know that
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Speaker 1: that's like the big party area. It's very crowded and
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Speaker 1: impacted and doesn't smell that good and the bars are
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Speaker 1: not that cute. No, no, no no, no, yes to all
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Speaker 1: of the above. We only went the first night just
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Speaker 1: so I could see it, and he was like, how
15:52
Speaker 1: is your anxiety? And I was like, we need to
15:53
Speaker 1: leave right now. I cannot do this. Um. But other
15:56
Speaker 1: than that, like it was so much fun. Definitely like
15:59
Speaker 1: a needed little break from like routine and work and life.
16:03
Speaker 1: So it was nice to just get away for a
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Speaker 1: little bit and definitely want to go back and actually
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Speaker 1: go to museums. Did you eat frog legs? I did
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Speaker 1: not eat foggle. What fried foods did you eat? Like
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Speaker 1: a lot of fried chicken, a lot of chargrilled oysters.
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Speaker 1: Good seafood, yeah, a lot. I think it more seafood
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Speaker 1: than anything and a lot of chicken and a lot
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Speaker 1: of French fries and a lot of beer. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I need to like have vegetables, a couple of vegetables.
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Speaker 1: Like I'm just like trying to like rotate those into
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Speaker 1: my you know what I mean. I'm like, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: I had so much fried food, like back to back
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Speaker 1: to back. That's what happens when you travel, like you're yeah,
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Speaker 1: and then you drink. And I was drinking a lot
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Speaker 1: as well, so I mean whatever, I was like, I'm
16:51
Speaker 1: I can drink, okay something that did you go to
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Speaker 1: any I did not go to any stroup clubs. I
16:58
Speaker 1: know I really wanted to you. But like honestly, like
17:01
Speaker 1: in true, like in true, like staying very true to
17:06
Speaker 1: our relationship. We would like get back to our airbnb
17:09
Speaker 1: at ten, and we'd be like, okay, let's get ready
17:11
Speaker 1: and go back out, and we would fall asleep right like.
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Speaker 1: And that is like basically like about us. Like that
17:16
Speaker 1: that's the brand of our relationship is that we like
17:19
Speaker 1: we're like, okay, let's keep going, and then we've all
17:21
Speaker 1: Actually that's true because you've have fallen asleep on me, yes,
17:24
Speaker 1: on a number of occasions. I'm like my life fell asleep.
17:27
Speaker 1: I know, you know what, Like I'm actually learning about
17:32
Speaker 1: So my therapist recommended this book called m The Highly
17:36
Speaker 1: Sensitive Person. So I'm reading it right now, would like
17:39
Speaker 1: to to see if I identify in this way. And
17:42
Speaker 1: what I've learned so far is like people that are
17:44
Speaker 1: highly sensitive, when they are out all day, they cannot continue,
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Speaker 1: like they literally need to go rest and maybe they'll
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Speaker 1: go back out, but for the most part they need
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Speaker 1: to just stay home and rest. And yeah yeah yeah,
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Speaker 1: so and that that and that is true for me.
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Speaker 1: If I go back home, I'm like, okay, well this
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Speaker 1: is it. Like I'm not going to go back out again,
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Speaker 1: even though I try and hide myself up. I just
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Speaker 1: I'm really tired. No, that's fair, And I mean it's
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Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like, oh, I survived
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Speaker 1: this day. I made it back home. I'm not already
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Speaker 1: rissed it once again. Made it back I know, I know,
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Speaker 1: or less or lets you know, it just depends on
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Speaker 1: the day. Well, speaking of other fun things, we're going
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Speaker 1: to be after this. After record, we're heading to the
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Speaker 1: now going up Positivity, Pride, Body, Possy Pool Party, more literation,
18:34
Speaker 1: more literation literation the Latin X Brand's Love Love Literation. Um. Yes,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna be going there after this. I'm really excited
18:45
Speaker 1: to see some of our listeners, to see everybody, see
18:48
Speaker 1: people and chill and also eat and drink more. It's just,
18:53
Speaker 1: you know what, that's just what I like to do
18:54
Speaker 1: and I just have to accept that about myself now. Absolutely,
18:57
Speaker 1: it's the funnest stuff to do, right. Um okay, So
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Speaker 1: I actually wanted to share. So this is kind of
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Speaker 1: like a segment we drop in here and there, depending
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Speaker 1: depending um, but our segment of weird things the white
19:10
Speaker 1: women said to me this week. I wanted to share.
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Speaker 1: Please do share because this is a doozy Oh my god,
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Speaker 1: this is and you know, it's one of those things
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Speaker 1: where it's like I really regret not saying anything. So
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Speaker 1: it's it's still stuck in my head and I still
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Speaker 1: keep thinking about it. So I want to put it
19:25
Speaker 1: out into the podcast and let y'all know so that
19:27
Speaker 1: I can just lay it to rest here. Um okay.
19:30
Speaker 1: So so for my job, we my company manages homes
19:35
Speaker 1: for folks um that have developmental disabilities. So we have
19:39
Speaker 1: about uh eight homes homes. So I have to buy
19:44
Speaker 1: um the laundry detergent for all of the homes. So
19:47
Speaker 1: I go to Costco and I buy like thirty like tied,
19:50
Speaker 1: like really big detergents, and I usually get people usually
19:54
Speaker 1: make comments like in general right, like oh, you must
19:56
Speaker 1: have like a lot of laundry to do, or like
19:57
Speaker 1: oh do you do you do you own a laundry mat?
20:00
Speaker 1: And I'm like leave me alone, and I'm something right
20:03
Speaker 1: right and just like imagine me in my heels pushing
20:06
Speaker 1: the like with all the fucking detergent. Anyway, So anyway,
20:10
Speaker 1: so I go. I'm used to it by now, write.
20:12
Speaker 1: So I go and I pay blah blah blah, and
20:15
Speaker 1: there's this older white couple behind me, and I can
20:19
Speaker 1: hear they're making comments about all the laundry detergents that
20:22
Speaker 1: I'm buying, and I'm still like paying it no attention
20:25
Speaker 1: because I'm like I do not want to engage. I
20:27
Speaker 1: don't even want to fake laugh, like just do not
20:30
Speaker 1: say anything to me. And then I hear the man
20:33
Speaker 1: say to his wife, oh, she must have a lot
20:35
Speaker 1: of children at home first of all. Yeah, And it
20:43
Speaker 1: was just such a like microaggression, like why because I'm Latina,
20:47
Speaker 1: I must have a lot of kids at home, like
20:50
Speaker 1: a predominant narrative. Yeah, yeah, and they're and they're older
20:55
Speaker 1: white men meaning I mean an older white couple meaning yeah,
20:57
Speaker 1: like all like the stereotypes. I'm sure still very true
21:00
Speaker 1: to them, the stereotypes, right anyway, So then I like
21:03
Speaker 1: was and it I like it happened so quickly, and
21:06
Speaker 1: I was like paying and I was like do I
21:08
Speaker 1: say something? And then I didn't, and I like really
21:10
Speaker 1: regret not saying anything because it was like such an
21:12
Speaker 1: opportunity for me to be like, what do you mean
21:15
Speaker 1: by that? You know, what does that mean? I don't understand,
21:19
Speaker 1: do I. I'm not wearing anything that signifies I am
21:22
Speaker 1: a mother. I'm a parent, right, I don't have like
21:25
Speaker 1: I don't know, like my kid's picture on my on
21:28
Speaker 1: my keychain, like the way you just don't. No, I
21:31
Speaker 1: don't mean moms look any sorts of ways at all,
21:34
Speaker 1: but you present as very young and not mother. But
21:38
Speaker 1: I think which is also what made it more of
21:40
Speaker 1: the stereotype because it doesn't really matter age because Latina's
21:44
Speaker 1: have like are pregnant at a young age. So this stereotype, right,
21:50
Speaker 1: So it didn't really matter that I looked young and
21:53
Speaker 1: that I wasn't fucking like you know in my big
21:56
Speaker 1: wedges and my like little pet trying to be professional talk,
22:00
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That didn't matter how I presented.
22:02
Speaker 1: It was just like I'm buying all this fucking laundry detergent.
22:04
Speaker 1: So I must have a lot of children at home.
22:06
Speaker 1: So it stayed with me. So I texted my best
22:08
Speaker 1: friends and I was like, hey, this just happened, Like,
22:10
Speaker 1: am I overreacting? And they were like no, that was
22:13
Speaker 1: like so clearly pointed. And when when I told my
22:17
Speaker 1: man about it too, he was like, this is clearly
22:20
Speaker 1: because I said the same thing. And I was like,
22:22
Speaker 1: am I overreacting? He was like, this is clearly not
22:25
Speaker 1: was not said in a positive way, and he is
22:29
Speaker 1: very like more of m confrontational, I guess you would say.
22:32
Speaker 1: So he was more like, why did you say anything?
22:34
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know, I know, I know,
22:38
Speaker 1: I know, because then what And I think that's what
22:43
Speaker 1: I get stuck on and that's what stops me. I'm like, Okay,
22:45
Speaker 1: so I say this, and then what and then how
22:47
Speaker 1: do they respond? Because they will probably keep talking and
22:50
Speaker 1: keep saying offensive thing, and I will continue to get
22:52
Speaker 1: upset and then I'm the hysterical one at the Costco
22:55
Speaker 1: and then your blood pressure has been affected? Right, they
22:57
Speaker 1: don't need that. No, No, I'm like, I we have
23:00
Speaker 1: to go back to work. Health care is to expense.
23:02
Speaker 1: Help is too expensive, My code is too high, like
23:06
Speaker 1: no at Costco? Right right? And I was and it
23:09
Speaker 1: was one of those things where I'm like, is this
23:11
Speaker 1: what am I going to get out of this? You know?
23:12
Speaker 1: And it was also so fast I was paying m
23:16
Speaker 1: h Yeah, next time de turgent and the gas tank. Right,
23:23
Speaker 1: you didn't bug me? Fuck anyway. I think we're coming
23:29
Speaker 1: towards um the end. We do have a guest coming on.
23:33
Speaker 1: We have a guest on half, so stay tuned for that,
23:38
Speaker 1: stay tuned or from it. And and we're back. Thank
24:30
Speaker 1: you for staying with us. We have with us today
24:34
Speaker 1: a special guest. We're gonna let her introduce herself. My
24:38
Speaker 1: name is Angel also known as Hey Girl. Thanks for
24:43
Speaker 1: being here, Thank you for having me. I'm super excited
24:46
Speaker 1: we finally have been able to connect in the flesh
24:49
Speaker 1: like definitely similar to Mama and I I have been
24:53
Speaker 1: following angel a K and for a while now, like
24:57
Speaker 1: a few years now, So it's nice to like find
25:00
Speaker 1: they connect and have you on the show. I'm super
25:01
Speaker 1: excited to talk about all the amazing work that you're doing.
25:04
Speaker 1: Thank you. And we've been trying to get you on
25:07
Speaker 1: the show like all summer and yeah, so we're excited
25:11
Speaker 1: to finally finally be sitting down together and chat and
25:16
Speaker 1: get to know each other. And even just before we
25:18
Speaker 1: started recording, already getting into really exciting conversation. Yeah, Angel,
25:23
Speaker 1: do you want to tell us, like just so our
25:25
Speaker 1: listeners can get to know you, maybe like where you're from,
25:28
Speaker 1: what brings you to l A, and like what you're
25:30
Speaker 1: working on right now? Yeah, totally. I'm from the Bay Area, California,
25:34
Speaker 1: grew up in Redwood City, and then later on in adulthood,
25:39
Speaker 1: was really based in Oakland. Um. It's really in Oakland
25:42
Speaker 1: that I started a lot of my work. UM, and
25:44
Speaker 1: my work stemmed from yoga. So I was trained in
25:50
Speaker 1: nairoga yoga teacher institute in Berkeley, and I started doing
25:55
Speaker 1: exclusive q T POC only yoga classes in Oakland and
26:00
Speaker 1: back in I believe it was two thousand fifteen, UM,
26:04
Speaker 1: And from there I spent like about a year just
26:07
Speaker 1: doing that, and um, after that, I moved up to
26:10
Speaker 1: Portland to keep doing some work, and up there, um
26:13
Speaker 1: is when I started doing a lot more sex work
26:16
Speaker 1: and um stripping in particular, UM, but also got into
26:20
Speaker 1: some queer porn, which I was really excited about and
26:23
Speaker 1: like really wanted to do for a long time. And
26:26
Speaker 1: um that's kind of where it was for a while
26:29
Speaker 1: up in Portland, and now that I'm here in l A.
26:31
Speaker 1: I just really wanted to reach a bigger audience. I
26:34
Speaker 1: was looking for more people like me and I don't
26:36
Speaker 1: know if anyone knows, but Portland is very, very white,
26:39
Speaker 1: so um, it was really hard for me to find
26:42
Speaker 1: community out there that really wanted the the resources and
26:47
Speaker 1: and everything that I was offering. So UM, I kind
26:50
Speaker 1: of figured I wanted to go back to California and
26:53
Speaker 1: the Bay didn't seem feasible, so I came down to
26:55
Speaker 1: l A. I had enough people down here telling me like,
26:58
Speaker 1: we want your stuff down here. Are so come through
27:01
Speaker 1: And so I've been um stripping out here, making porn
27:04
Speaker 1: out here. UM and yoga classes are still happening and
27:08
Speaker 1: they're q tipoc only still, so you do a lot
27:11
Speaker 1: whole lot. You do a lot, and so um, it's
27:15
Speaker 1: interesting because I feel like you are super intentional with
27:19
Speaker 1: the work that you do, and even just hearing you
27:21
Speaker 1: talk about it before we started recording, and like the
27:24
Speaker 1: thought that you put into it and how the erotic
27:26
Speaker 1: is power seems to be like central across the different mediums.
27:31
Speaker 1: Do you want to talk a little bit more about
27:33
Speaker 1: like sexiest magic, erotic is power? Yeah? So I think
27:37
Speaker 1: a lot of us um in general, who aren't sismail
27:43
Speaker 1: are often demonized for our erotic power or um just
27:48
Speaker 1: not allowed to have it. We're not allowed to express
27:50
Speaker 1: our erotic nous in any sort of capacity without being
27:53
Speaker 1: demonized for it, villainized for it, or um allowed to
27:58
Speaker 1: have it at all. Um, And even we are allowed
28:00
Speaker 1: to have it, it's put in these various, like really
28:03
Speaker 1: intense categories that a lot of us don't fit into.
28:05
Speaker 1: We're not all horrors, We're not all virgins, like a
28:07
Speaker 1: lot of us are somewhere in between. And um, what
28:11
Speaker 1: my work is really about is empowering all of us
28:13
Speaker 1: to take our own erotic selves and create that for ourselves,
28:17
Speaker 1: not let the patriarchy really like allow us to deem
28:22
Speaker 1: what we want as desirable and for us to be
28:26
Speaker 1: able to like categorize ourselves where we want to be
28:30
Speaker 1: desirable or how we want to be seen. And feminists also,
28:34
Speaker 1: like us feminists is very central to the podcast and
28:37
Speaker 1: just who we are, lives, identities, all of that. So
28:42
Speaker 1: for you like feminist femininity, Like, what does that mean
28:45
Speaker 1: in terms of the erotic as power because I think
28:47
Speaker 1: like we can also talk about like are as fems
28:51
Speaker 1: like claiming that power or strength, you know, claiming sexuality
28:56
Speaker 1: and autonomy. Yeah, I mean, I think fems are already
29:02
Speaker 1: really eroticized, you know. I think in general, like fems
29:05
Speaker 1: are often put in this um category of providing sexual
29:10
Speaker 1: labor for the various people that were intimate with and
29:13
Speaker 1: even the people that were not intimate with. You know,
29:16
Speaker 1: fems are often put in that category to be nurturing,
29:19
Speaker 1: to be sexual, to be sexual how other people want
29:22
Speaker 1: to be sexual, to be passive, to be submissive. And
29:26
Speaker 1: my work has really centered around empowering fems to take
29:30
Speaker 1: what's theirs and to um claim themselves. However they need
29:35
Speaker 1: to claim themselves and um like their erotic nous being
29:40
Speaker 1: out of something that they want to do and not
29:44
Speaker 1: other people. Yeah, I like that really resonates with me.
29:47
Speaker 1: And I've talked about this before on the podcast, but
29:49
Speaker 1: kind of like for me, the identity of like the
29:51
Speaker 1: s f M for me, that came out of um
29:54
Speaker 1: sexual violence, right and actually reclaiming my body. And that's
29:58
Speaker 1: like where the persona of the STAD was born, right
30:01
Speaker 1: because I started identifying or really coming into my own
30:05
Speaker 1: feminists and seeing like, well, my body actually does exist
30:08
Speaker 1: for my own pleasure. And just because I have experienced
30:10
Speaker 1: violence against me, UM, doesn't mean that I'm not allowed
30:14
Speaker 1: to feel pleasure again or anymore, you know what I mean.
30:18
Speaker 1: So for me, UM, that is like where the feminists
30:20
Speaker 1: and we're like understanding like the goddess within me, right,
30:24
Speaker 1: and we've talked about that in various episodes. UM So
30:26
Speaker 1: yeah exactly, Like I think, like your exactly. I agree
30:30
Speaker 1: with what you're saying about claiming your body and reclaiming
30:33
Speaker 1: it and really like setting the terms like for what
30:38
Speaker 1: you want and what you need and letting that be okay.
30:42
Speaker 1: Also like, okay, I think it's so interesting this idea
30:45
Speaker 1: that so fans are expected to perform this sexual labor
30:48
Speaker 1: but also to be passive and submissive at the same time,
30:52
Speaker 1: and how so often like that's such a requirement is
30:55
Speaker 1: to do two opposites a fine time. Body these dichotomies
31:00
Speaker 1: that don't make any sense. They don't make any sense.
31:02
Speaker 1: How am I supposed to please you but also be
31:04
Speaker 1: passive on I think it also has to do with
31:06
Speaker 1: like how each person affects the dynamic. You know, every
31:10
Speaker 1: fem has their own kind of energy about them, And
31:14
Speaker 1: when you go into a space, like some people will
31:17
Speaker 1: assume things about you because because of your feminists or
31:21
Speaker 1: um you know, like pronouns for example. You know, every
31:24
Speaker 1: fem supposedly like it's probably going to be called she
31:26
Speaker 1: a lot of the time, you know, but not all
31:28
Speaker 1: fems are she. You know, some people go by day
31:30
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of assumptions about fems in general.
31:33
Speaker 1: So I really think it has to do with like whoever,
31:36
Speaker 1: whoever you meet, it's it's wherever it's bringing those assumptions
31:39
Speaker 1: to you. And it does depend on who it is
31:41
Speaker 1: as to whether you're going to embody that thing that
31:43
Speaker 1: they want or also just as a reminder of fem
31:47
Speaker 1: is a queer identity. Just want to continue to put
31:51
Speaker 1: that out there. Yeah, feminist for queer, I see it
31:56
Speaker 1: and it's such a weird at least for me, Like
31:58
Speaker 1: it's a weird um ilog in conversation to have UM.
32:02
Speaker 1: And I don't want to sidetrack too much, but I
32:03
Speaker 1: do want to put this out there, like it is
32:06
Speaker 1: a FEMI raiser right to assume that maybe FEM presenting
32:09
Speaker 1: folks aren't queer. So it's like a really for me,
32:12
Speaker 1: like a really hard dialogue to have because I'm like, well,
32:14
Speaker 1: how do I know that this person isn't queer? Right?
32:18
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? But also so just going
32:19
Speaker 1: to put it out there that fem is a queer identity.
32:24
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you? So oh yeah, okay. Something we
32:29
Speaker 1: also like to talk about is fem armor. Yes, yes,
32:33
Speaker 1: so fem armor is so many things, right, Like it
32:36
Speaker 1: could be our clothes, it could be our makeup, it
32:38
Speaker 1: could be the way that we talk UM. But I
32:40
Speaker 1: also want to kind of empower people to think of
32:44
Speaker 1: fem armor as as like building their bodies, like allowing
32:48
Speaker 1: your body to be strong and healthy to whatever capacity
32:53
Speaker 1: you have UM, and that being armor as well having
32:57
Speaker 1: your self defense like ready to go in case you
33:01
Speaker 1: need it, because this world is not made for fems.
33:03
Speaker 1: This world is not going to protect fems. A lot
33:05
Speaker 1: of the time we protect our own. So um I
33:08
Speaker 1: I a lot of my work surrounds like really building
33:11
Speaker 1: people in their own strengths, like knowing what it is
33:15
Speaker 1: that you're strong in and like making sure that you
33:17
Speaker 1: like arm yourself in the world that way. Yeah. Absolutely,
33:21
Speaker 1: And so you use, um your yoga training and your
33:25
Speaker 1: pole dancing as like weaponry in that way to like
33:29
Speaker 1: you know, have your armor. Like you're saying, um, so
33:31
Speaker 1: can you talk a little bit more about the pole
33:33
Speaker 1: dancing that you teach and the yoga classes that you teach,
33:36
Speaker 1: and like how that informs the rest of your work.
33:38
Speaker 1: And dancing is not easy. One class one time and
33:42
Speaker 1: I was like, this is really hard. I took a
33:45
Speaker 1: few classes one time, but it was like post like
33:48
Speaker 1: I had a trainer, so I still had my upper
33:51
Speaker 1: body strength, so I was like doing it okay, But now,
33:53
Speaker 1: like I can't imagine like going back to it. Very hard.
33:56
Speaker 1: Pole dance is hard. I started with yoga. I think
34:00
Speaker 1: for most things, UM I recommend to start with yoga
34:04
Speaker 1: always because like it's a nice space. It's like a
34:07
Speaker 1: nice place to kind of come into your body and
34:11
Speaker 1: um see your body as medicine and kind of take
34:13
Speaker 1: in what medicine your body has. UM after that, Um,
34:17
Speaker 1: pole dancing is a whole other story. Like it's it
34:20
Speaker 1: really depends on what you make it. For me. I've
34:22
Speaker 1: always done a lot of one on ones in small groups. UM.
34:26
Speaker 1: I prefer it that way. I like to do things
34:28
Speaker 1: outside of studios, just because studios don't always have accessibility
34:32
Speaker 1: for folks um or. There's a lot of white people
34:35
Speaker 1: and people don't feel comfortable. There's a lot of like
34:37
Speaker 1: thin people and they don't feel comfortable. There's there's just
34:41
Speaker 1: this element of um otherness that's always put onto a
34:46
Speaker 1: lot of different bodies when it comes to pole studios.
34:48
Speaker 1: So I've really tried to make my work more accessible
34:52
Speaker 1: by just staying out of those places. Yeah. Um out
34:56
Speaker 1: here in l A. I'm actually UM teaching in Long
34:58
Speaker 1: Beach Okay, Yeah, out at Flora, which is UM Mama
35:05
Speaker 1: Maes is little project. So she's the one who started
35:09
Speaker 1: me out with yoga classes out here, and hopefully probably
35:13
Speaker 1: by I'll say August is when we're going to get
35:16
Speaker 1: started with the pole dancing classes. So if people are
35:18
Speaker 1: interested in learning more about your pole dancing class offerings,
35:24
Speaker 1: where can they find the info? How can they hit
35:26
Speaker 1: you up? Like, how can they look into the information? Okay, well, um,
35:30
Speaker 1: I have a couple of different places you could go. Um,
35:35
Speaker 1: mainly is like my email. Just email me at gmail
35:39
Speaker 1: dot com. That's like the best way to get in
35:41
Speaker 1: contact with me if you want to do private lessons.
35:43
Speaker 1: And that's what's successful right now is private lessons. Later on,
35:47
Speaker 1: if they're looking for like more class offerings, I'm going
35:50
Speaker 1: to be doing those on my Instagram, which is d
35:55
Speaker 1: um and that's always that's that's more of like my
35:58
Speaker 1: crochet stuff. But I do like every so often put
36:01
Speaker 1: my offerings on there, like my class offerings. Um. Yeah,
36:05
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty much where to go for that. Great,
36:08
Speaker 1: that's amazing. I think moll and I are going to
36:09
Speaker 1: have to scare think I'm like seeing it. Yeah, I
36:15
Speaker 1: would love it to I would love to. Yes, okay, fabulous, Yes, yes, yes,
36:20
Speaker 1: so Okay. Something else that I think it's really important
36:23
Speaker 1: to talk about and that we've talked about before is
36:25
Speaker 1: like fems and money. Yes, fems and money. All of
36:30
Speaker 1: your wealth. Give us all your money, give us money sources,
36:33
Speaker 1: so give us your benefits. What is it? Men? Wealth? Exactly.
36:41
Speaker 1: There's I think a lot of different ways that different people,
36:44
Speaker 1: different fems, um figure out, you know, how to tap
36:47
Speaker 1: into that and redistribute. Well there, make sure they're getting paid.
36:51
Speaker 1: What have you? That financial security in a capitalist society,
36:54
Speaker 1: you have to have money, Yes, you have to, so
36:59
Speaker 1: like tell us like thoughts around that and maybe how
37:01
Speaker 1: you go about that redistribution. Okay, Well, Um, I think
37:07
Speaker 1: a lot of sex workers are like redistributors of wealth. Um.
37:12
Speaker 1: I think that's in general. UM, I know a lot
37:15
Speaker 1: of queer fem sex workers. I think the majority of
37:17
Speaker 1: my community is queer sex workers or fem um. And
37:22
Speaker 1: all of these people are organizers. All of these people
37:25
Speaker 1: are like really important members of their communities and they're
37:29
Speaker 1: always supporting various causes um. And a lot of it
37:33
Speaker 1: has to do with like homelessness or mental illness and
37:37
Speaker 1: various other things that you know we go through as
37:39
Speaker 1: a community. UM. And like, I don't know, money. Money
37:44
Speaker 1: is this like really interesting thing. It's like real and
37:47
Speaker 1: not real at the same time. You know, it's like
37:50
Speaker 1: something that you can like bring into your life by
37:53
Speaker 1: like thinking about it, but it's also like a thing
37:55
Speaker 1: that you have to create action to get um and
38:00
Speaker 1: with sex work. I mean honestly, sex work has been
38:02
Speaker 1: my saving grace. Like if it wasn't for sex work,
38:05
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been able to move out here. If
38:06
Speaker 1: it wasn't for sex work, I wouldn't have been able
38:08
Speaker 1: to do a lot of the stuff that I wanted
38:09
Speaker 1: to do. Um and hoole dancing. Um, it's really closely
38:14
Speaker 1: tied to sex work, you know. Like a lot of
38:17
Speaker 1: people will try and separate those two things, but they're there.
38:20
Speaker 1: They can't be separated. Like people who are going into
38:24
Speaker 1: pull dancing studios want to look like strippers, like that's
38:27
Speaker 1: that's their goal, and like to demonize strippers while looking
38:31
Speaker 1: like a stripper just makes you look really silly, you know. Um,
38:34
Speaker 1: And these people who are getting money, we're not just
38:37
Speaker 1: getting money to like supply our lives with all these
38:40
Speaker 1: like really decadent stuff. Like I can tell you right now,
38:42
Speaker 1: I'm still broke, Like, but I'm giving back to my
38:45
Speaker 1: community as much as possible. Whenever I've got the money,
38:48
Speaker 1: if someone needs it is theirs, you know. Because I'm
38:50
Speaker 1: able to get big chunks of money at a time,
38:53
Speaker 1: I feel responsible to like give that money back whenever
38:56
Speaker 1: I can right right. I was reading there was some
39:00
Speaker 1: study that was done and I don't know, there was
39:03
Speaker 1: a conversation going on about how like the wealthiest people
39:07
Speaker 1: tend to be like sociopaths, right, and how to really
39:10
Speaker 1: like gage yes, to how to really gain that sort
39:14
Speaker 1: of wealth you have to be okay with exploiting other
39:17
Speaker 1: people and with not sharing your money, And how like
39:21
Speaker 1: a lot of people of color, most people of color
39:25
Speaker 1: who are even you know maybe with with steady incomes
39:30
Speaker 1: or making good money, we don't hold onto our money
39:33
Speaker 1: because we can't because we also don't want to because
39:35
Speaker 1: we're supporting our families or communities people around us. So
39:39
Speaker 1: what the money doesn't stay with us? And I think
39:41
Speaker 1: it's just so interesting how like this is up us,
39:45
Speaker 1: these economies that we create like internally, you know, to
39:48
Speaker 1: stay slow. Yeah, I mean we talked about that in
39:50
Speaker 1: our last episode episode about how like when women especially
39:54
Speaker 1: have money and like their homegirl needs it, like we
39:57
Speaker 1: will give them the money, yes, potation, Like it's like
40:01
Speaker 1: you need a hundred dollars, of course, I'm going to
40:03
Speaker 1: give you this hundred dollars. I've totally like taken a
40:07
Speaker 1: whole shift at work just to be able to support someone,
40:11
Speaker 1: like to be able to give them at least three
40:14
Speaker 1: because you know, like there's definitely been a lot of
40:18
Speaker 1: um giving back as much as possible. And I think
40:21
Speaker 1: it just has to do with privilege too. It's like,
40:23
Speaker 1: when you have certain privileges, I think it's necessary and
40:28
Speaker 1: responsible to be giving back. Agreed, Agreed. Who Yeah, also
40:34
Speaker 1: just like taken money. I mean you know, also men
40:39
Speaker 1: don't do a lot with it, to be honest, just
40:40
Speaker 1: take their money, honestly. The other topic that we like
40:47
Speaker 1: can still talk about is this idea of the brave
40:49
Speaker 1: space versus a safe space. So can we talk more
40:53
Speaker 1: about what is the difference, what are the similarities, Like,
40:55
Speaker 1: how does one go about setting up one versus the other?
40:58
Speaker 1: That's a yeah, that's a great time thick. Okay, I
41:01
Speaker 1: did not come up with this term. This is a
41:03
Speaker 1: term that like I feel like I learned in Seattle
41:07
Speaker 1: because I've heard this term to like here in like
41:09
Speaker 1: nonprofit stuff. I've heard that. Yeah. So for me, creating
41:14
Speaker 1: brave space means being vulnerable too, Yeah, just just being
41:21
Speaker 1: you're letting yourself be more vulnerable than you would I
41:23
Speaker 1: think creating safe spaces it's relative creating safe space, safe
41:28
Speaker 1: space for who you know, and and also like what
41:31
Speaker 1: does that mean safety because everyone's safety is different, and
41:35
Speaker 1: saying safe space like maybe it's safe for you and
41:38
Speaker 1: you've created this space to be safe for you, but
41:41
Speaker 1: anyone who enters might not feel that same way. So
41:43
Speaker 1: it's I think it's harder to create a safe space
41:46
Speaker 1: than it is to create a brave space. A brave
41:49
Speaker 1: space being something that's like similar, something that's going to
41:52
Speaker 1: be welcoming and um, open minded and of course like
41:56
Speaker 1: relatively safe. But I don't think that any of us
42:00
Speaker 1: are able to really create safe space for other people.
42:03
Speaker 1: It's really up to ourselves to create that safe space
42:06
Speaker 1: for ourselves to go into any space. Um And I
42:10
Speaker 1: think in general, shifting this idea to going into more
42:13
Speaker 1: brave spaces versus safe spaces, it's like we're we need
42:16
Speaker 1: to we need to have more stuff in our lives
42:20
Speaker 1: that we allow other people to be vulnerable with, and
42:23
Speaker 1: we have to be vulnerable ourselves to be able to
42:25
Speaker 1: get to those spaces. I made the mutual sorry, the
42:29
Speaker 1: mutual vulnerability and exchange of energy. I think it's really important, absolutely.
42:35
Speaker 1: I love I'm just looking at the notes and about
42:37
Speaker 1: creating consent and validating fem rage in terms of brave spaces.
42:41
Speaker 1: And that also makes me think of, like, so a
42:43
Speaker 1: brave space maybe could be a place where we are
42:46
Speaker 1: not afraid to exercise necessarily that fem rage or like
42:50
Speaker 1: self defense or like check somebody, or like speak plainly
42:53
Speaker 1: and bluntly and like firmly, you know, when we're uncomfortable
42:56
Speaker 1: or when we're being treated badly, because I think sometimes
42:59
Speaker 1: it ends up happening. Is like you look at people
43:01
Speaker 1: who are like activists or fucking much staffs or like
43:05
Speaker 1: meninists and taking these ideas of like trauma informed language
43:09
Speaker 1: or like safety and flipping it so you can't be angry,
43:13
Speaker 1: you can't get it where you can't expect express anger,
43:15
Speaker 1: you can't cuss like some funker out for you know,
43:19
Speaker 1: violating you in some ways. Right, So like I think
43:22
Speaker 1: that I like that possibility that opening. Yeah, well yeah,
43:26
Speaker 1: I think that's something that we need to have space
43:29
Speaker 1: for it. We need to be able to create space
43:31
Speaker 1: that allows for anger to be valid because fens have
43:35
Speaker 1: a ton of anger. We have we have been like
43:39
Speaker 1: taking advantage of so much. Like I think there's so
43:42
Speaker 1: much time, money and labor that we've put into various communities,
43:48
Speaker 1: various people, mask people. I'm just like getting mad all
43:51
Speaker 1: over and the bard there's there's so much that's all,
43:56
Speaker 1: you know, there's so much less ode and the validation
43:59
Speaker 1: of rage sometimes that's all you need to start feeling
44:02
Speaker 1: better to be able to move forward to the next steps,
44:05
Speaker 1: because at that point, when you're able to validate your rage,
44:08
Speaker 1: you're able to even just find out what it is
44:10
Speaker 1: you're mad about. Yeah. Absolutely, Yesterday I was like talking
44:15
Speaker 1: about like problems I had with a program I was
44:19
Speaker 1: a part of. Issues I had with a program I
44:21
Speaker 1: was a part of, and it had everything to do
44:23
Speaker 1: with exploitation of like are like labors lettin us? Right,
44:28
Speaker 1: And I'm telling this story, and I like crushed my cup.
44:30
Speaker 1: And I didn't realize it until I was done talking,
44:32
Speaker 1: and I was like, look at my fucking cop. Is
44:35
Speaker 1: this how this makes me rage? But I mean, it's
44:39
Speaker 1: like we're putting into this society that is told, has
44:42
Speaker 1: told us, has scammed us to believe that, like we
44:45
Speaker 1: can't be without a masculine counterpart, and that this masculine
44:49
Speaker 1: counterpart is going to provide and give you this great
44:53
Speaker 1: life and you're going to be like reciprocating all the time.
44:56
Speaker 1: But the reality is is that a lot of the
44:58
Speaker 1: time it's a really unbalanced to scam. Yeah, it's a
45:01
Speaker 1: really unbalanced thing. And it really is like you need
45:05
Speaker 1: to be intentional with how you operate with fens because like,
45:08
Speaker 1: if you don't, you could be taking their time there,
45:11
Speaker 1: then their energy, and that's money. And we only have
45:14
Speaker 1: so much left to give, not everybody's gotten limitless amounts
45:19
Speaker 1: give back to ourselves to put into our creative projects,
45:22
Speaker 1: to put into our work. Our families are like our friends.
45:26
Speaker 1: And emotional capacity is totally a real thing. Yes, it
45:29
Speaker 1: is that, and and fems are not a limitless resource. No.
45:34
Speaker 1: I constantly like feeling tired after I like engage when
45:38
Speaker 1: I put all that, when I put that energetic, that
45:40
Speaker 1: energy out there, and it's not evenly redistribute, redistributed or
45:45
Speaker 1: given back to me. I like exhausted, of course, right,
45:48
Speaker 1: and not just in relationships, but just in general, like
45:50
Speaker 1: work or family or whatever. That looks like. I'm thinking.
45:54
Speaker 1: I started to get upset thinking about this one time,
45:56
Speaker 1: this x um we had broken up already and he
46:01
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46:03
Speaker 1: and I miss like hearing like your ideas about my work.
46:08
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And I'm like, so you need you
46:12
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46:14
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46:17
Speaker 1: don't miss me. You missed the labor that I was
46:19
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46:22
Speaker 1: bringing for you, you know. And I literally was like
46:27
Speaker 1: um no, like no, no, no, no, no, no, just no,
46:38
Speaker 1: right right right. So then thinking I'm thinking about again,
46:41
Speaker 1: like revisiting the idea of brave space and allowing for
46:44
Speaker 1: firm rage fu lutely, because then like we do express
46:47
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46:51
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46:54
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46:56
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47:01
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