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Hour Two | Dr. Etheredge on CTE, Boyz II Men & Trey’Dez Green’s Comments · Off The Bench

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  Speaker 5: Doc How are we doing? How we living doing great?
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  Speaker 6: Doing great?
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  Speaker 5: How's the summertime?
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  Speaker 6: It's good. It's good.
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  Speaker 7: I like common, I got here early, I cruised right in.
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  Speaker 7: The traffic was awesome, you know, there was you know,
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  Speaker 7: no school traffic. It was it was a pleasant drive.
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  Speaker 5: Do we have any any vacations, any trips planned?
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  Speaker 6: So we're hoping to make it to the beach.
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  Speaker 5: Uh, I didn't sound like a lot of con.
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  Speaker 6: Well, well we've got we gotta, we've gotta.
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  Speaker 7: We go over to Port Saint Joe, which low at
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  Speaker 7: Pass Panama City every year for the fourth but you know,
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  Speaker 7: with uh medical conditions at home, we'll we'll see.
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  Speaker 6: We don't want to push it.
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  Speaker 4: Is that, I guess you you kind of grew up
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  Speaker 4: at the beach, so you're like, is that Mexico Beach.
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  Speaker 6: Just past Mexico Beach?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, same little area, so it's a it's a
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  Speaker 7: they call it the Forgotten Coast, So it's a neat
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  Speaker 7: little area.
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  Speaker 6: So the beaches aren't quite what you get in.
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  Speaker 7: DestinE and thirty A and Panama, but there it's a
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  Speaker 7: little quieter, it's a little wider.
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  Speaker 4: So which I ain't quite over there there there's a
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  Speaker 4: there's a pier in Panama City Beach that for some reason,
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  Speaker 4: Doc nobody goes to. It's public, there's but there's this
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  Speaker 4: little space. It's probably I don't know, six hundred yards.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's like this big space that nobody goes to.
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  Speaker 4: And my father in law, I'm gonna make up a
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  Speaker 4: number because he'd be like, don't be telling me my
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  Speaker 4: peer number. So thirty eight, right, we'll say it's pure
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  Speaker 4: thirty three. So he's always like, we're gonna go to
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  Speaker 4: thirty three a today.
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  Speaker 5: That's his joke.
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  Speaker 4: And there's nobody ever ever there, and like they found
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  Speaker 4: this nice little piece and they live like two blocks
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  Speaker 4: from it.
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  Speaker 7: See, I'm hoping that we're not ruining it for for
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  Speaker 7: him or for all. I like to go because uh,
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  Speaker 7: you know, I don't want everybody else to discover it.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't go.
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  Speaker 6: No, don't go there.
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  Speaker 4: That's the worst place. It's the worst place there's I
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  Speaker 4: go there, all right. So you know, when we have
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  Speaker 4: doc on we talk about all kinds of injuries and
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  Speaker 4: acls and ankles and shoulders and different things. I did
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  Speaker 4: want to ask you doc about. So Alden Smith unfortunately
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  Speaker 4: passed away, and Alden was only thirty six years old.
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  Speaker 4: I played against Alden. He was an absolute brick wall.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know who he was, the first round pick,
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  Speaker 4: but I wasn't familiar with his game because there was
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  Speaker 4: other guys on their defense that we played.
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  Speaker 5: And by the end of it, I was like, I
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  Speaker 5: know exactly who that guy is.
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  Speaker 4: I hit him and it was like a cartoon, you know,
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  Speaker 4: when like you hit something like a feather and he
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  Speaker 4: just kind of like go down to the That was
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  Speaker 4: me hitting Alden Smith on a power. So he was
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  Speaker 4: a great player, had some trials and tribulations, and unfortunately,
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  Speaker 4: like I said, they found him unresponsive in his car
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  Speaker 4: earlier this week in the Bay Area, but his family
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  Speaker 4: said that they're going to have his brain checked for CTE.
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  Speaker 4: And so actually, you know something we've we've talked about before.
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  Speaker 4: So for our listeners and for me too, to be
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  Speaker 4: honest with you, what like what does that mean? What
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  Speaker 4: are they looking for? Like what does a study like that,
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  Speaker 4: like what can it do maybe to even help as well?
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  Speaker 5: Like once you do study the brain.
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  Speaker 7: It's a good question, you know. And and and you
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  Speaker 7: see these things a lot there you go and it's, uh,
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  Speaker 7: it's you know, it's it's it's we see a lot
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  Speaker 7: just in regular medicine every day.
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  Speaker 6: I deal with this at least, you know.
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  Speaker 7: My opinion on a lot of the rationale here is
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  Speaker 7: that we all want the why. Everybody wants a why,
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  Speaker 7: and especially a tragic death. A young, healthy guy, guy
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  Speaker 7: that it looks should still be alive.
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  Speaker 6: He's thirty six. Yeah, you know, I don't know what
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  Speaker 6: happened that.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think they've officially given a cause of death
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  Speaker 7: or anything yet. No matter what it is, it's tragic,
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  Speaker 7: it's awful, it's horrible, and so we all want the why.
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  Speaker 7: So I think that's the first place we all start,
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  Speaker 7: as you know, and I see it all the time
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  Speaker 7: in my office. You know, people come in, My neck hurts.
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  Speaker 7: It's probably because of that car accident I was in. Like,
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  Speaker 7: when was the car accident, Well, it was thirty years ago.
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  Speaker 7: Your neck only started hurting yesterday. It's probably not the
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  Speaker 7: car accent, you know. But but we want to have
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  Speaker 7: some way to connect the dot. So I'm sure his
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  Speaker 7: family's just struggling right now. They want to have connections,
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  Speaker 7: they want to know. It's it's a big topic, the
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  Speaker 7: CTE topic. It's one that's it's probably a little bit controversial,
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  Speaker 7: you know, it's a real thing. It's not I don't
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  Speaker 7: mean to downplay that, right, but the problem with CTE
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  Speaker 7: is you can only diagnose it currently with the biopsy,
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  Speaker 7: and so nobody's biops in the brain when you're alive.
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  Speaker 7: So it's not something we can definitively diagnose. We can
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  Speaker 7: say we think you have it. We can say, look
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  Speaker 7: at the symptoms, look at the career, look at the background,
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  Speaker 7: but you know, what do you even make with that data?
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  Speaker 7: And I think that's the problem.
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  Speaker 6: We don't know.
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  Speaker 4: That's kind of my question, Like, Okay, if you do
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  Speaker 4: find that he did have CTE, Like okay, what do
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  Speaker 4: you do?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah? And then what's the next step?
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  Speaker 4: Because like for you, you're a doctor, Like if you
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  Speaker 4: find something, you want a solution, You want a solution,
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  Speaker 4: and so for like this, it's like, hey had it, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: Well what's that mean?
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  Speaker 5: Like what can we do? Can we do?
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  Speaker 7: And I think it's it's it's a very any And
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  Speaker 7: that's where the controversy comes in because how many of
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  Speaker 7: these guys that if you look, you know, they've they've
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  Speaker 7: now done you know, the biopsies of the brains, They've
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  Speaker 7: done all these different treatments, they've done all these different things,
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  Speaker 7: they've looked at it, they've researched it. But then you
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  Speaker 7: go back and look at a lot of these guys' lives,
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  Speaker 7: the ones when they pass away and in their cause
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  Speaker 7: of death, you know, seemingly had nothing to do with CTE,
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  Speaker 7: seemingly had nothing to do with any symptoms prior to that.
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  Speaker 7: They didn't really present with a storyline that really you know,
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  Speaker 7: And then you know, I think of guys like, you know,
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  Speaker 7: you had Al Gifford who died from colon cancer at
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  Speaker 7: CT according to his biopsy. This is the guy who
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  Speaker 7: was in the public light up until his eighties. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: this was a guy who was broadcasting and doing stuff,
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  Speaker 7: and you know.
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  Speaker 6: Did did he really?
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  Speaker 7: And I'm not calling anyone individually, but he was a
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  Speaker 7: guy that lived a very public life after football. I
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  Speaker 7: have a hard time thinking CT contributed to really end
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  Speaker 7: of his morbidity immortality there. But on the other hand,
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  Speaker 7: his brain said he had it, so so what are
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  Speaker 7: we going to do with all this data? And then
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  Speaker 7: there's other guys where it is more compelling. You're like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: he had signs of dementia at an early age. He had
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  Speaker 7: all these other things, So it's tough.
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  Speaker 8: So when they when they do the biopsy and they
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  Speaker 8: find CT or find that you had ct what does
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  Speaker 8: that mean? Are they finding like a damage spot, like
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  Speaker 8: physically visible damage spot in the brain. Is it hardened?
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  Speaker 8: Is it soft?
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  Speaker 2: Like? What is it that? Like?
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  Speaker 8: If if I'm looking at a brain, like, what is it?
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  Speaker 8: How do they how do they say?
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  Speaker 2: Yep?
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  Speaker 7: It So a lot of the neurologic conditions, things like
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  Speaker 7: Alzheimer's disease and things like that, sometimes you can't fully
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  Speaker 7: diagnose it. But what you're looking for is like a
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  Speaker 7: specific pattern of these different like different like types of
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  Speaker 7: plaques almost like scarring on the brain. Now, it's not
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  Speaker 7: always quite that simple. It's not to say, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: he got hit there because of you know, that one
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  Speaker 7: concussion he had and there's a scar in his brain
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  Speaker 7: from that. But it's more, you know, you look at
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  Speaker 7: the brain and you see these changes in the brain
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  Speaker 7: where where you know, the best way caon describe is
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  Speaker 7: it looks like scar tissue in the brain.
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  Speaker 6: It's not exactly that.
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  Speaker 7: Simple, but you're looking for and with CTE there is
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  Speaker 7: a very specific pattern. It's not the same pattern you
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  Speaker 7: would see with Alzheimer's, it's not the same, you know,
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  Speaker 7: differences you would see with like a Louis body dementia
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  Speaker 7: or a vascular dementia or all these other types of
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  Speaker 7: dimension neurodegenerative diseases.
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  Speaker 6: So it is a unique pattern.
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  Speaker 7: It is something that seems to definitely have a correlation
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  Speaker 7: with contact activities context sports head trauma. But on the
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  Speaker 7: other hand, like I said, how many of these guys,
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  Speaker 7: you know, even the ones that deal with mental health.
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  Speaker 7: If you look at the percentage of guys that played
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  Speaker 7: in the NFL that had mental health issues, it's really
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  Speaker 7: not that different than the regular male population, even these
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  Speaker 7: horrible cases.
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  Speaker 6: Or here about suicide.
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  Speaker 7: Look for men you know, kind of middle ages is
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  Speaker 7: one of the highest percentages you see of suicide and
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  Speaker 7: mental health issues. So so again, you know, it's it's
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  Speaker 7: a lot of people wanted to draw that conclusion that oh,
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  Speaker 7: he had CTE, he was depressed clearly the same. Well,
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  Speaker 7: I don't think it's that simple personally. That's you know,
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  Speaker 7: other people would disagree with me. Medically, and I'm not
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  Speaker 7: saying that it might not be related. I think there
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  Speaker 7: is some relationship, but it's not as simple as he
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  Speaker 7: had changes on his brain. He had depression, it's because
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  Speaker 7: of that, or he had drug abuse, or he had this,
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  Speaker 7: or he had that, whatever the scenario is. You know,
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  Speaker 7: because a lot of these guys, you go back and
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  Speaker 7: look at their history and I mean, you know the
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  Speaker 7: one that you know they've admitted, show about.
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  Speaker 6: All the Aaron Hernandez stuff.
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  Speaker 7: I think if you hit a troubled life when he
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  Speaker 7: was younger, I have a hard time saying, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 7: hell yeah, I can't. I can't blame what he did
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  Speaker 7: on his his CTE. It just I think that's extremely reckless.
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  Speaker 8: Now, this might be kind of like an ignor ignorant question,
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  Speaker 8: but like and it's it seems pretty like when you
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  Speaker 8: get a concussion, they say it's a brain bruise, right,
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  Speaker 8: So you're getting maybe some sort of damage, inflammation and
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  Speaker 8: on a part of your brain, and you.
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  Speaker 2: Would you would think that's where you got hit.
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  Speaker 8: Some people live a completely you know, some people that
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  Speaker 8: had twelve concussions, okay, you never see any signs of anything.
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  Speaker 8: Some people that might have one or two do show
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  Speaker 8: signs of some sort of mental deterioration or something later
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  Speaker 8: in life.
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  Speaker 2: Is it could it be.
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  Speaker 8: Like location of where the concussion the brain let's say
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  Speaker 8: air quot like brain bruise was, and then the location
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  Speaker 8: on the brain where the CT scarring might be.
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  Speaker 7: Absolutely you know, the the and and even the type
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  Speaker 7: of symptoms you'll see. You know, interesting thing with concussions
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  Speaker 7: is if you talk to ten guys had a concussion,
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  Speaker 7: they're probably gonna give you a slightly different version of
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  Speaker 7: what they felt. It's not all like, oh, I had
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  Speaker 7: a headache and blurred vision. You know, I've seen people
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  Speaker 7: where there extremely emotional after concussion. We had a high
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  Speaker 7: school kid who couldn't stop crying at halftime. You couldn't
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  Speaker 7: tell us why he was crying. He wasn't hurting. It
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  Speaker 7: wasn't like it was just I don't know, I don't
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  Speaker 7: know why I'm crying. I'm not hurting, I'm not upset.
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  Speaker 7: I just I can't stop crying. And so so it
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  Speaker 7: depends on the location of the brain, and so it
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  Speaker 7: depends on the verity of the injury. Obviously, you know
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  Speaker 7: house of a year of a head injury and know
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  Speaker 7: if somebody had a really bad car accidental, they had
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  Speaker 7: a massive head injury that developed a serious concussion, they're
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  Speaker 7: more likely to have some issues But then I think
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  Speaker 7: at genetics is a huge part of it too. You know,
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  Speaker 7: with anything medical, I tell my patients all the time like, look,
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  Speaker 7: you know, if whatever your medical situation is, you know,
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  Speaker 7: if you look at like it's a recipe and in
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  Speaker 7: that bowl, I'm gonna throw your genetics in and if
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  Speaker 7: we're making bread, that's the flower. The genetics is the flower.
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  Speaker 7: It's the main ingredient. Because again that's that's why you
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  Speaker 7: talk to ten guys that have the same present or
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  Speaker 7: same life experiences, but they look very different, they present
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  Speaker 7: very different, they have different things. So the rest of
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  Speaker 7: the stuff that goes in that bowl is going to
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  Speaker 7: be your life experience. Is how old are you, what
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  Speaker 7: kind of injuries have you had, what medicines are you on?
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  Speaker 7: All those things affect everything, so and I think that's
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  Speaker 7: a big part of it too. It's just some people
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  Speaker 7: are gonna be more susceptible to having more complications after
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  Speaker 7: those injuries, and unfortunately, right now we don't really know
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  Speaker 7: how to determine that or what to do about it.
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  Speaker 7: And I guess that's where kind of going back to
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  Speaker 7: our initial question. As we understand more of the brain,
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  Speaker 7: you know, I don't know that this is gonna give
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  Speaker 7: us a cause of his death.
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  Speaker 6: I don't. I don't know, but it's gonna be helpful.
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  Speaker 7: You know, every bit of information we get, if you
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  Speaker 7: used appropriately, can really help us to find answers.
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  Speaker 4: This might be an impossible one to answer too, but
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  Speaker 4: I'm just sitting here and we appreciate you talking about
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  Speaker 4: this because I know some of this stuff's not easy.
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  Speaker 4: But like if you have a tear, you always like
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  Speaker 4: it's to grade one, grade two grade, you know, something
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  Speaker 4: like that. And there's like levels to everything. Like I've
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  Speaker 4: had a concussion where I've played in a game in
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  Speaker 4: the second half, don't remember a single snap about it
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  Speaker 4: and just you know, don't remember it, remember the moment
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  Speaker 4: like right before it happened, don't remember anything. So like
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  Speaker 4: there's that version where you can still go out there
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  Speaker 4: and I guess it's muscle memory.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: But then you have the one where it's too a
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  Speaker 4: tongue of by Lowa and I mean he like seize
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  Speaker 4: us up and it's like it's really really scary. So
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  Speaker 4: both of those are concussions, but they have different outcomes
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  Speaker 4: and how your body reacts to it. Is there different
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  Speaker 4: levels to concussions, Is there like more severe concussions or
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  Speaker 4: is there like how does that like how is that
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  Speaker 4: the same injury?
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  Speaker 6: So there are different there's definitely different severity.
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  Speaker 7: And early on with concussions, we really tried to assign
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  Speaker 7: them levels like this is a level one kind of
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  Speaker 7: the same thing. But I think the thing we discovered
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  Speaker 7: is it's hard to do that, especially early on. You're
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  Speaker 7: kind of almost like we're talking about with the bibes
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  Speaker 7: of the brain, you almost can't diagnose how severe concussion
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  Speaker 7: was until after it's over. Because one that doesn't seem
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  Speaker 7: that bad in the beginning, and then then they continue
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  Speaker 7: to have horrible symptoms. Uh and and then you I've
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  Speaker 7: seen guys that you know, I mean one of my
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  Speaker 7: favorite ones, and I want we had a football player
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  Speaker 7: at LSU who had a concussion and it was not
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  Speaker 7: even a football lad. He slipped and fell hit his
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  Speaker 7: head in the shower and and uh ask him. You know,
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  Speaker 7: he comes in the in the locker or the training
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  Speaker 7: room right after it happened, like, hey, you know, can't
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  Speaker 7: answer my question, but just tell me your name. He
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  Speaker 7: looks me squaring that. I was like Lucius Brown, which
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  Speaker 7: was not his name. No part of his name dead serious.
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  Speaker 7: He believed that was his name. And then but by
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  Speaker 7: the next day that guy looked a whole lot better.
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  Speaker 7: Now he was still concussed. We still held him out,
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  Speaker 7: We still the protocol, but I thought the next day
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  Speaker 7: he was gonna look terrible. And I mean the next
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  Speaker 7: day his symptoms were very minimal. And then I've got
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  Speaker 7: other guys that, you know, it seems mild. In a
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  Speaker 7: month later, they're still really struggling. So so so we've
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  Speaker 7: kind of gotten away from really grading them because of that.
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  Speaker 7: There are still some scales out there. Most of us
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  Speaker 7: don't really utilize them. I'll say it was maybe mild, moderate, severe.
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  Speaker 7: It's kind of what I do in the back end.
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  Speaker 7: But you know, it's just so hard to grade them
• 13:14
  Speaker 7: until they're done.
• 13:16
  Speaker 8: Helmet technology has improved so much, right, is there a
• 13:23
  Speaker 8: ceiling to how good it can get? Like you have
• 13:27
  Speaker 8: the best helmets you've ever had, the technology of the
• 13:30
  Speaker 8: pad and how it fits out forms, this impact resistance,
• 13:33
  Speaker 8: all that is there just a certain extent that like
• 13:36
  Speaker 8: when your brain is going to your head's going so
• 13:38
  Speaker 8: fast and it just abruptly stops, it doesn't really matter
• 13:41
  Speaker 8: how much padding's there, like it's just the sudden stop
• 13:45
  Speaker 8: things rattling around inside that concussions are always going to
• 13:50
  Speaker 8: be a part, no matter how good the protective technology gets.
• 13:54
  Speaker 7: I mean, my personal belief is I agree with that
• 13:56
  Speaker 7: last part. I think helmets are way better, and they'll
• 13:59
  Speaker 7: probably get better still. I mean, I'm sure they'll find
• 14:01
  Speaker 7: new ways to make them. I have a hard time
• 14:04
  Speaker 7: believe and we're gonna get rid of concussions unless you
• 14:06
  Speaker 7: completely change the game, which I don't think any of
• 14:08
  Speaker 7: this wants to see. I know, I don't.
• 14:09
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Look, I would do everything I did again, Yeah,
• 14:12
  Speaker 5: I would.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: That that was gonna be a question too.
• 14:15
  Speaker 8: Is like you have seen everything from an athletic perspective,
• 14:20
  Speaker 8: all injuries. Would any of it, especially like the head stuf,
• 14:23
  Speaker 8: Would any of it stop you from letting someone you
• 14:26
  Speaker 8: love playing or I.
• 14:28
  Speaker 7: Mean, my son's sitting over here at camp this morning,
• 14:30
  Speaker 7: and you know he plays football, He's played football. I
• 14:32
  Speaker 7: would let him continue to play football. I let him
• 14:34
  Speaker 7: play the next level. The changes we're making are are
• 14:37
  Speaker 7: helping the game.
• 14:38
  Speaker 6: And and look, I.
• 14:39
  Speaker 7: Always take the the approach of you know, I look
• 14:42
  Speaker 7: at what football has done for me and I look
• 14:44
  Speaker 7: at what it's done for other people. I know, two
• 14:46
  Speaker 7: of who I'm sitting right next to me here. You know, Look,
• 14:48
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't be where I was today. I'm a doctor, yes,
• 14:50
  Speaker 7: and and and I'd like to think, you know, I
• 14:52
  Speaker 7: worked hard to work on my scholastics for that, but
• 14:54
  Speaker 7: I also learned a lot of.
• 14:55
  Speaker 6: That hard work.
• 14:56
  Speaker 7: And I you know, and and and look, ask a
• 14:58
  Speaker 7: lot of other people I work with. You know, I'm
• 15:00
  Speaker 7: I worked harder than most of my peers because I
• 15:02
  Speaker 7: learned that early on, and it was reinforced over and
• 15:05
  Speaker 7: over and over and and and I think that's a
• 15:07
  Speaker 7: big part of it. And I think I've seen guys
• 15:10
  Speaker 7: that had a way worse upbring than I did. I
• 15:11
  Speaker 7: was very fortunate and the one thing that saved them
• 15:14
  Speaker 7: with sports and a lot of times football, having.
• 15:15
  Speaker 6: That in their life.
• 15:16
  Speaker 7: And and I think there's just so many positives that
• 15:19
  Speaker 7: you know, there are there are risk it's a violent sport,
• 15:23
  Speaker 7: but look, life ain't easy either.
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: So yeah, true, I know we're going along with you,
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: so we do appreciate it.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: As always, you said something that I started thinking about
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: your You know, everybody wants to know the why, Like
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: when they come into your office and that makes sense.
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: It's like I got a torn laboram, Like that wasn't
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: mean how long I'm out? You got to tell them
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: the why or I've got this and that is there
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: an injury.
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: Still out there today?
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: That's hard to define the why or like what's going
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: to happen because for a long time it was a
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: CL's like twenty five thirty, well thirty five years ago,
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: like used to in the eighties if you had an
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: ACL like career ending. Now Patrick Mahomes has one in
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: December and he's back on the field in May, right,
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: so like that's completely changed. Is there still something out there,
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: Doc that you're like, hey, I buckle up because it's
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: a it's a windy.
• 16:11
  Speaker 7: Path, yeah, you know, and I think there's a lot
• 16:13
  Speaker 7: of those. I Mean, the funny thing is you mentioned
• 16:15
  Speaker 7: one just a moment ago, a labral tear. You know,
• 16:17
  Speaker 7: you have a laboram and your two ball and sockets
• 16:18
  Speaker 7: you wants to hip in the shoulder, and a lot
• 16:20
  Speaker 7: of people have torn laborams.
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: I know, I'm want to have one right now. Yeah,
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: I gotta fix and.
• 16:23
  Speaker 7: I may have more than I know about And a
• 16:25
  Speaker 7: lot of times a lot of times we don't fix those,
• 16:27
  Speaker 7: and a lot of times we do. And you know,
• 16:28
  Speaker 7: if you're and we've learned that, maybe sometimes we fix
• 16:30
  Speaker 7: too many of them. And so I think, you know,
• 16:32
  Speaker 7: torn laborams are a lot of them, even still with
• 16:34
  Speaker 7: the ACL, you know, because everybody sees Patrick Mahomes and
• 16:36
  Speaker 7: that's what they want their recovery to be. But what
• 16:37
  Speaker 7: if you had a little cartilage injury with it. That's
• 16:39
  Speaker 7: a different injury.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: So because Malie neighbors right now, you know Heniscous, he's
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: actually he's going through it right now and he had
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: to go back in and get scar tissue removed.
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: I had never heard of that.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: So like that's the same ACL injury. You know, everyone's different,
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: but same one. And he had it way before Patrick
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: Mahomes and they don't know if he's gonna be ready
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: for the season.
• 17:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's and well, I guess, you know, I kind
• 17:02
  Speaker 7: of said one of the you mentioned later honestly, things
• 17:04
  Speaker 7: with cartilage, I guess is one that's really tough for
• 17:07
  Speaker 7: us to know to do with. You know, if you
• 17:08
  Speaker 7: have an ACA, that's a lot of times it makes
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: the difference between a guy that that goes on and
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: plays a long career after and doesn't if if they
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: had an associated secondary injury, and especially if there's cartilage
• 17:16
  Speaker 7: stuff involved, those are tough. So I guess if there's
• 17:18
  Speaker 7: one that I'm gonna probably because people come office all
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: the time, Johnny, they have you know, they have a
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: little Carl's wear behind their kneecap and it's just killing
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: them and they're like what do I do for this?
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: I'm like, I don't know. You know, it's like I'm
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: trying everything I got. You know, we're throwing all the
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: all the stuff.
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: And yeah, so that may be the one if I
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: have one. Right now, Yeah, that quick.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Question for you.
• 17:35
  Speaker 8: LSU's crushing it in the recruiting trail right now. High
• 17:39
  Speaker 8: school kids. I just signed a couple of six seven dudes.
• 17:42
  Speaker 8: When they come in, you got to examine them. Do
• 17:44
  Speaker 8: you have to get a step still?
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: There have been a few, uh we've got something, oh man.
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: And it's especially on these basketball guys. They come walking
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: in and you know, duck into the door and you know,
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: if I'm trying to examine their shoulders, I'm kind of
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: up here.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: So this is a medical doctor stool, guys. It's not
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: a story that's right, medical devices. Guys six wanted some change.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: He thinks he's a skyscraper over there too, in a
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: quarter button. Yeah, we looked that up already, Docu the man.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: We truly do appreciate you coming every single week. A
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: lot of great information there, stuff I certainly didn't know beforehand.
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: So we appreciate it, my pleasure.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Thanks.
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  Speaker 1: From the locker room to the airwaves gets off the
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  Speaker 1: bench with Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn.
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  Speaker 3: We don't even know what we You.
• 19:49
  Speaker 9: Don't need them, you know, saying no.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: These I mean.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: Arguably, you know, sometimes we speak out of turn top
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: five album of all time. Oh yeah, you could just
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: push play. Let that bad boy rip and you ain't skipping.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: You ain't got to skip once.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: I guess at the end, run it back.
• 20:35
  Speaker 10: Now when you say five, do you mean top five
• 20:37
  Speaker 10: and not five?
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: That's a good question, good follow up question, Taylor.
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: So he went from the river still being wet to
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: the water runs dry. Yeah, so they're boys, men's saying,
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: don't let it get to be any true.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: I mean good R and B music mm hmm.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: To me, I just catch the songs that I enjoy,
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: But like the best R and B is like this
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: man went through a trial and a tribulation. He went
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: through all of it, and you hear it.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Sometimes they come out the other side.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: Sometimes, yeah, sometimes they do.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Sometimes sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's just sad, but you
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: also feel sexy even if you're sad.
• 21:24
  Speaker 11: Yeah, right, I'm feeling.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Like that's not just me.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: You listen to R and B and look in the mirror.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you just look a little better in the mirror
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: than you really do.
• 21:38
  Speaker 12: It makes me want to do like a be behind
• 21:41
  Speaker 12: a mic and do like a slide out and then
• 21:44
  Speaker 12: just like snap as I've seen.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: The song with the eyes closed, you gotta close eyes.
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah, boys, man, they all went to Julliard?
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: Did they shut up? Voice? Man?
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: Man?
• 22:01
  Speaker 11: Cultured?
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: God?
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: Did they need to do? They need to be on
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: the Burnt CD tour as like a mix up, just
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: like a mix up. They have too many hits, Okay,
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: all right, that's fair.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: That's fair, that's fair. You can play them in between.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: I was being selfish. I was being selfish. I was
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: trying to get.
• 22:16
  Speaker 11: That's not the spirit.
• 22:18
  Speaker 12: I was just trying to We could do Jordan's sparks,
• 22:21
  Speaker 12: like if you want to have a little R and
• 22:23
  Speaker 12: B Jordan's sparks.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: See.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: But the thing is, my favorite Jordan Sparks song is
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: with Chris Brown. Chris Brown is too big to be
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: at the Burnt CD tour.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: But we can do like a try somebody else.
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: Maybe I will say that like to us boys to
• 22:40
  Speaker 8: man deserves their own tour.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: I was selfish, now I know.
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: I think in the court of public opinion for a
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: lot of people, especially the youths these days, I don't
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: know if they know them like we do. Certainly, you know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: I go to the the Derby. You know, I didn't
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: go this past year, but I've been a lot with
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: my crew of packers and around us a lot of
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: Dalis celebrities, a lot of d there's no A's, there's
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: a lot of d We're talking about the Grobes, Josh Grobin,
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: guy Fiery, Like, we're talking about these guys like you
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: know them.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: Is that you raised me.
• 23:24
  Speaker 11: Yeah, you can see him in Duluth, Georgia.
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: For every now and then you'll get like some goods,
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: but mostly like the goods are athletes.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: We could could rock nexto this one time.
• 23:38
  Speaker 8: But every year there's a couple of members of Boys
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: Them in there, and so you kind of I'm like,
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: first year, yeah, second year, it is just like, hey,
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: what's up to? Who's betting on? Like we put money
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: on right now? You know, with a big dog them up.
• 23:57
  Speaker 12: I couldn't name a person from like I obviously I
• 24:00
  Speaker 12: know Boys to Men and I know the songs, but
• 24:02
  Speaker 12: I couldn't name any.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: Of them members. That's fair and that's fair, and I
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: think that's.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: A good thing m m, because they're just boys and they.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: Just care about the band the whole, bigger than some
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: of the parts.
• 24:13
  Speaker 11: Like none of them that I looked up.
• 24:15
  Speaker 12: I know them separately from Boys to Men, you know,
• 24:18
  Speaker 12: like they don't have like a separate career outside of it.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: Like I I know two of their names, but I
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: don't know all four.
• 24:26
  Speaker 11: Are they brothers?
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: Because of them are brothers.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: I think our cousins are something because there's two morrises.
• 24:35
  Speaker 8: I can't picture the third the third one I know
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: is going to be the skinny taller.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, so he's.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: I don't know all four of them to be. There's three, Well,
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: there's there's there's.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Four, but one of the members, the deep voice one,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: doesn't travel with the band anymore, Like nothing bad happened.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Mike Base there was four originally he just retired. Yeah,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: hold on a second, I thought it was always three.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: No, you're forgetting about deep boys. Guy, baby, you know
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: I love you. Yeah, I said, I didn't mean.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking about music videos.
• 25:16
  Speaker 11: And was a quartet including bass singer Michael.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: The bass singer is no longer traveling.
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: I'm not trying to question your boysman knowledge. I just
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: a'm thinking about like the music videos.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: Like I'm not saying they meant to, but they kind
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: of would be like, hey, here's the three guys that
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: can really sing.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: And then basis back there.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: He's in the corner. He's going to talk to you
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: for a little bit. He's going to tell you about
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: how sorry he is, but you're not going to really
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: see him.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: He's behind the stage with the microphone.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: When I said what I said, you know, I didn't.
• 25:46
  Speaker 12: Mean that he was that guy he let the group
• 25:49
  Speaker 12: in three due to health issues.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: He did he did have a cane because he actually
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: performed with him like a year ago, and he did
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: have a cane.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: I had something.
• 26:00
  Speaker 10: Having that having that deep voice, though, doing that with
• 26:03
  Speaker 10: a cane kind of makes it better.
• 26:05
  Speaker 12: He has back spasms and was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.
• 26:10
  Speaker 11: That that explains the cane that sucks.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Based on that sexy voice though.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Can you imagine so now everybody shoots a text over
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: our DM, but can you imagine voice when you had
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: to call in the voicemail that that man got to leave? Yep,
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: he has to be a voice texter. If he's not,
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: he's missing the mark. Can you imagine like in high
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: school he was calling to talk to your daughter?
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: Oh my god, Hey just good, Hey you need to
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: talk to al she is Hell no, I'm twelve years old.
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: I'm twelve.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: Great voice.
• 26:57
  Speaker 12: You imagine if that was your SII.
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: I bet you, I bet you can get you know
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: how you can like download different voices on ways?
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I like the I like the the boy band one.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember that one.
• 27:23
  Speaker 11: Soccer players.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: Soccer player scored a bunch of goals yesterday.
• 27:26
  Speaker 11: So you were you weren't in here real quick, you were.
• 27:31
  Speaker 12: I was telling them that I was at Superior last
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: night and the soccer game was on.
• 27:34
  Speaker 11: The TV, and I was like, oh, go Mexico.
• 27:37
  Speaker 12: Nobody corrected me. I was like, hell, yeah, Mexico is
• 27:41
  Speaker 12: playing Argentina. It was Algeria. Incredibly similar uniforms.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: They do in colors and and everything. The flag even
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: has a lot of the same feel to it.
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: But I was trying to Yeah, I was trying.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I was watching, watching, they didn't play.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Messy scored a hat trick, dude, and thirty his sixth
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: World Cup. That's he's ever done before and was always
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: in the m L.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: Last week's washed.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: He just scored a hat trick in the World Cup, right,
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: and his first actually scored four.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: One got called back for all sides.
• 28:16
  Speaker 11: He scored four.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: He scored four.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Three counted because he was all sides on one. Cherry
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: pick his first one.
• 28:22
  Speaker 11: Oh, it's one of the three rules.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: It's illegal. Yeah, cherry picking.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: They can do it. The third one.
• 28:31
  Speaker 12: Gain the third one, I can't touch it with your
• 28:33
  Speaker 12: hands cherry picking.
• 28:34
  Speaker 11: And don't be an asked, Okay.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: That's the third one.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Didn't you have one that covers a lot of things it.
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: Does, but that's really that's the three rules of soccer. Yeah,
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: didn't didn't you.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Find that cool messy fact though? Before the show? Yeah,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I was doing some research. Let me look.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: Just pissed me off. Please don't say.
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  Speaker 4: so fair say something for the for the rest of us, guys, Tait,
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  Speaker 4: we get back to sports. I know you've put this
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  Speaker 4: in a document a couple of times, and I know
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  Speaker 4: something that you wanted to hit.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: That's good. I always always know when wants to hit something.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: Trade as Green in his relationship with Lane Kiffin.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, he did a football camp over the weekend, just
• 32:31
  Speaker 10: just a kids camp. And actually I got Jacques do
• 32:34
  Speaker 10: say over to WB was someone that uh interviewed him
• 32:37
  Speaker 10: and you know he asked him about his relationship with
• 32:40
  Speaker 10: Lane Kiffen and I mean Green was Green was pretty
• 32:45
  Speaker 10: open about it. He said, Uh, he's a great coach,
• 32:48
  Speaker 10: great leader for our team. He's exactly what we've been
• 32:51
  Speaker 10: missing here. We were just ready to play for our coach.
• 32:55
  Speaker 10: He gives one hundred percent and we know we're going
• 32:57
  Speaker 10: to do the same for him.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Now that's all me. Two things.
• 33:01
  Speaker 10: One, this team really likes bru Lane Kiffin, and two
• 33:04
  Speaker 10: they really did not like Brian Kelly. I mean, he
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: said he's a great leader. It's exactly what we've been
• 33:09
  Speaker 10: missing here, being ready to play for our coach. Like,
• 33:12
  Speaker 10: to me, that says a lot more about Brian Kelly
• 33:14
  Speaker 10: than it does Lane Kiffin.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: Two do we think that Trade s Green is about
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: to have a Mackie Award winning type season?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Answer? Answer yes, yes, maybe he doesn't. It's link Kevin's
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: fault read a thousand times.
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: He's going to be the most dominant offensive player in
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: the country if he's.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Utilized correctly outside court.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: I agree with that.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: He should be Oh yeah.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: He should be there. I don't want to like.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: At some point I'll stop talking about how bad last
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: year's schematics were. At some point I will because I
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: don't want to talk about it. It makes me get in
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: a bad mood. It's just dumb.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, let's do it.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: It's dumb, Like I'll pull up the passing chart and
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: just rage or hate you computer. I get like Musso
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: when I see the passing start from last year. You
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: got to throw the ball more than five yards between
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: the hashes. Is not illegal, big dummy.
• 34:18
  Speaker 11: My question is why? Yeah, like though, like why was it?
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: Why?
• 34:22
  Speaker 11: Can you tell me why?
• 34:24
  Speaker 9: Like?
• 34:24
  Speaker 12: No, I genuinely just don't get why it was so
• 34:28
  Speaker 12: bad either. What was the reasoning behind I'm gonna make
• 34:32
  Speaker 12: this the scheme and this is what it is.
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: The year before, write better?
• 34:37
  Speaker 10: Yeah, theory, total guess on my part, because again, Joe's
• 34:41
  Speaker 10: son was there.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: I can't wait to hear I know this is literally.
• 34:44
  Speaker 10: Just a guess on my part. I mean, Sloan was
• 34:46
  Speaker 10: there in twenty four and else my threw for four
• 34:48
  Speaker 10: thousand yards. You didn't see that same scheme. Just my opinion.
• 34:52
  Speaker 10: Maybe they were terrified of this offensive line and said
• 34:55
  Speaker 10: I want to get it as far away from this
• 34:57
  Speaker 10: group as quickly as I possibly can.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: That's fine, but the quickest way to the end zones
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: the middle of the football field.
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: And I get it, that's a good recipe for success playing,
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: you know, scared.
• 35:09
  Speaker 10: I just I can't think of another reason because, like
• 35:11
  Speaker 10: to Jake's point, like the skill position was the exact same.
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: I think they overreacted to neuss Meyer's injury. I think
• 35:16
  Speaker 8: that's what it was. I think they overreacted to the
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: injury or the whatever it was, and they tried and potentially,
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: to Taylor's point, they might have been a little bit
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: nervous and said this is clearly they said something on
• 35:28
  Speaker 8: the offensive lines of a week's spot because they didn't
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: run power. Clearly they said this, we can't do that.
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: They couldn't. They said we couldn't, which.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: Is a coach from his from his lips to my ear,
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: said we couldn't run it.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I might Yeah, that's a stupid comment.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: What oh It balled my fist up, like yeah, you
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: can you Arthur, you can't.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, I will say this.
• 35:50
  Speaker 8: It's hard when you only practice for an hour and
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: fifteen minutes in training camp, it is hard to get
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: better at things you're not already good at.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: He almost made me curse, like one, we can't say.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Oh well and that things were not good at god Lea.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: The defense had to walk through run fits before Clemson
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: because they didn't get a look in practice before you
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: played a top ten game. Now Clemson didn't end up
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: being any good. The defense had to walk through how
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: to fit their runs because the look wasn't given in
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: training camp. Training camp is supposed to be hard. Training
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: camp is supposed to suck. Training camp is supposed to
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: callish you for the rest of the year. And we
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: went to a practice and we got our son set
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: up with some water and a fruit snack. And when
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: we did that, the practice was over. We didn't have
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: time to get them set up to sit down to
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: watch practice, and every person that knew us came up
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: to us after practice. It was probably four or five
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: people and knew that we were about to say something
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: about how short that practice was and like apologize for
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: how short that this.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kyle Walliams walked up to this.
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: We looked at it, and before he even got to us,
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: he's like, don't don't even ask.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: That's what it was like, he knew we were going
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: to say something.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:10
  Speaker 12: I like how when Brian Kelly was here, it was
• 37:12
  Speaker 12: just kind of like whatever, right, we were all giving
• 37:14
  Speaker 12: Brian Kelly a chance. There is this stuff about the
• 37:19
  Speaker 12: what wins, but like zero national championships, we were giving
• 37:24
  Speaker 12: him a chance. There's this stuff about the accent whatever,
• 37:26
  Speaker 12: who cares, right, But now it's so funny that after
• 37:29
  Speaker 12: he's gone, everyone's like, man, f that guy.
• 37:33
  Speaker 11: Stuff is coming out.
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: Because we want him to be Like I wish he was, yeah, absently,
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: I wish what that hour and fifteen minutes. I wish
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: he knew something that everybody else doesn't and it worked,
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: but it didn't.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Yea.
• 37:46
  Speaker 10: And to that point, the player who's saying it to me,
• 37:50
  Speaker 10: this speaks volumes like Tradas is not a guy that
• 37:52
  Speaker 10: mouths off and media appearances like you get.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: To play your interviews. He's nice, he's a little quiet.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: He never really says anything controversial. For Trada is green
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: to say something like this.
• 38:01
  Speaker 10: You know, every damn player in that locker room feels
• 38:03
  Speaker 10: the exact same way and even worse doubt.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: And you go over there, you go over there now,
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: And look, I'm not saying they didn't like the coaches
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: because I don't think it. I don't think it was
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: that kind of Yeah, it wasn't. That's not why they
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: were a bad football team. Great Like Garrett loves joke
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: and he'll tell you to this day. Uh, the team
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: counts from last year. They have like no issues with
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: the coach. It's not that I've been in part of
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: that that sucks. It wasn't that. It just it was
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: bad coaching. It was a bad coaching job last year.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: So it's not that. But I'll say that to say this.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: When you go over there now a none but smiles
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: and a number of vibes and ain't nothing. But we
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: are so ready. We're having a good time and they work.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: That's a that's another maybe a misconception of a high
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: tempo offense team. I'm not just really talking about Lane,
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: it's about any high tempo is a they don't really work.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Really.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: You go over there, they get you have to spot
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: the ball in a certain amount of time or you
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: gotta run.
• 39:02
  Speaker 11: Well, that's what I'm saying.
• 39:02
  Speaker 12: I feel like you probably have to work more to
• 39:04
  Speaker 12: play in a high tempo offense because you have to
• 39:07
  Speaker 12: like keep that cardio up and just always be moving.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: If you if you catch it outside the hash, you
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: gotta you gotta find a referee.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: If you catch it inside the hash, you gotta place
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: it and get set.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: I've only been to a couple, but it is impressive.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: They are working.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Had thrown up yeah, which kind of like Billy Bob
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: and Barcia Blues Will went threw up because we'll wit
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: like stow up.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: But it's.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you what it's. It's a different vibe. Yeah,
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: and again there was success. You go back two years
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: ago and I think it was done a different way
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: for whatever reason, and we'll never truly know.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: Just wasn't enough. It was not enough. It was not
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: enough a year ago.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: You cannot not have nine on seven inside run, the
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: drill and the period that makes your football team on
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: both sides of the football, and you don't do it
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: can't happen.
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: It cannot happen. And then when you get to live bullets,
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: you're so vanilla in your run game. There's no diversity
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: to it, and you wonder why you got to practice
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: it to be great. And we used to practice every run,
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: every run.
• 40:19
  Speaker 8: It was bad enough to where they paid fifty million
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: dollars to stop it, right, like the mind blowing thing
• 40:26
  Speaker 8: like we talked about ye year over year.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Like before it wasn't as bad.
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: But this year, for whatever reason, those coaches sat there
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: in an offensive meeting room every single week seemingly, you know,
• 40:36
  Speaker 8: right before they got home for dinner, I'm sure, and
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: they said, yep, this is what we're gonna do and like,
• 40:42
  Speaker 8: as a collective group, they create a game plan that
• 40:46
  Speaker 8: was not real football and that and it got so bad,
• 40:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah that they paid fifty million dollars plus a lot
• 40:54
  Speaker 8: more to make a change because they got that bad. Yeah,
• 40:58
  Speaker 8: and nobody can say it was good. Nobody can like that,
• 41:02
  Speaker 8: even them their coaches. I'm sure they're like, yeah, that
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: was bad.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: We made a mistake, blah blah blah.
• 41:05
  Speaker 8: I think and there's probably reasons why they would you,
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: and they would.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Tell you they're being honest with themselves and real quick,
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  Speaker 4: I know we got to break You now have an
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• 41:20
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• 41:24
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• 41:27
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• 41:32
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