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NFC Offseason Update · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast presented by BET three
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  Speaker 1: am Chad Millman, Chief Content the officer of the Action Network.
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  Speaker 1: Today is a very special episode for three reasons. We
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  Speaker 1: have a special topic close to my heart. We have
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  Speaker 1: a special guest, one of my favorite voices in Chicago sports,
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  Speaker 1: one of the few people whose job I wish I had,
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  Speaker 1: and hot off the presses. This is news. As I'm
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  Speaker 1: reading this right now, Matt Mitchell informs me, this is
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  Speaker 1: our five hundredth episode of The Favorites podcast. Look at us,
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  Speaker 1: Look what we've done this week. On the show, we're
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  Speaker 1: talking at twenty twenty four NFL first impressions post draft.
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  Speaker 1: Continuing the conversation Tuesday, we played pass or play for
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  Speaker 1: every team across the AFC. Today will do the same
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  Speaker 1: for every team in the NFC with Danny Parkins, a
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  Speaker 1: brilliant sports radio host at six seventy The Score in Chicago.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't know Danny, no joke. I say this
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  Speaker 1: The author of a new book will discuss in just
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  Speaker 2: Wish I would have known I brought out the Little
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  Speaker 1: Maybe, but I had no idea until I saw it
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  Speaker 1: in the script when Matt Mitchell put her in there. Dude,
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  Speaker 1: five hundred episodes, that is no fucking joke.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, especially the fact that this is usually live and
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  Speaker 2: I have yet to get fired. So this is pretty amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Run boys, also amazing a lot of people. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of podcasts don't make it to five hundred episodes. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of pop podcasts don't even get five hundred listeners,
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  Speaker 1: So good for us. I'm glad we have Danny and
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  Speaker 1: the Shutter. I'm going to bring them on in a second,
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  Speaker 1: because last night, Simon, I was at the Knixt game
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  Speaker 1: and look, MSG, I had Jylen Brunson under thirty seven
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  Speaker 1: and a half points, by the way, and thank god
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  Speaker 1: he missed the entire second quarter. Otherwise he would have
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  Speaker 1: crushed it. I got to hand it to MSG when MSG,
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  Speaker 1: when the Knicks are truly good, MSG is electric. It
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But I was with a buddy, one of our Action
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  Speaker 1: Network colleagues here, and he asked me my most hated
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  Speaker 1: team in all of sports, and it didn't I didn't
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  Speaker 1: even hesitate. I didn't. I didn't say the Packers. It
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  Speaker 1: didn't even occur to me to say the Packers because
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  Speaker 1: the Bearers, and we're going to talk about this today,
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  Speaker 1: have not been competitive with the Packers in thirty two years.
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  Speaker 1: My first response was the next, I fucking hate the
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  Speaker 1: Knicks because of how much I hated them, like when
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  Speaker 1: I moved to New York in the nineties and they
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  Speaker 1: were battling the bulls and it was chippy, and like
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  Speaker 1: they are an annoying team. I can't stand them. I
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  Speaker 1: only want them to lose. And I feel like Danny Parkins,
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  Speaker 1: Pros How d three, small college, Nobody's rose to rule
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  Speaker 1: the NBA. Danny, You could have taken the cowhard path.
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  Speaker 1: You could have written a book, you know, rode your fame,
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  Speaker 1: would you do this.
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  Speaker 3: Because I'm an idiot?
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  Speaker 4: Hi, Chad, hey bye, thank you for the lovely introduction. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: this was not in the life plan. And on a
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  Speaker 4: dollars per minute basis, this might have been my worst
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  Speaker 4: time spent ever because it took a long time, nearly
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  Speaker 4: four years from creation of idea or ideation to publication.
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  Speaker 4: But Ben Kaplan has been my best friend since third grade.
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  Speaker 4: He played Division III basketball at Amherst. And he's like,
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  Speaker 4: we got to get on the phone and talk about something.
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  Speaker 4: And he lives ten minutes away from me. We text
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  Speaker 4: all the time, we hang out all the time. I
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  Speaker 4: think I've literally never been on the phone with him
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  Speaker 4: once in my life. It's like, oh God, something most
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  Speaker 4: pretty serious happening. And he said, did you know that
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  Speaker 4: twelve of the thirty teams either their head coach or
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  Speaker 4: their top basketball decision maker, GM, a president of basketball operations,
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  Speaker 4: played D three balls.
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  Speaker 3: No, I had no idea.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, I think there's a book here and I'm like, eh,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. It seems kind of Niche like there'd
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  Speaker 4: have to be some star power. He's like, I mean
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  Speaker 4: Greg Popovich, Brad Stevens, Jeff Gundhi, stan Van Gundy is like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 4: do you want to do this with me? And I
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  Speaker 4: was like, well, you know what's going on in my
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  Speaker 4: life at the time. My brother had a terminal brain
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  Speaker 4: cancer diagnosis. My dad was deep into some dementia. I
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  Speaker 4: have had a young son, my wife was pregnant with
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  Speaker 4: our second I have a full time, four hour day
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  Speaker 4: radio show job, and I was like, I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if I can take this on. But he never asked
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  Speaker 4: me for anything. He's a data analyst, so the book
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  Speaker 4: would have never happened without No one would have ever
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  Speaker 4: bought a book about D three basketball from a data analyst,
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  Speaker 4: or he would not have been able to get the
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  Speaker 4: interviews that we got. And so it's like I can't
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  Speaker 4: say no to my best friend. I'll add in a
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  Speaker 4: charity component to it for brain cancer research. And we
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  Speaker 4: did it, and then his dad ended up passing away
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  Speaker 4: too unexpectedly, like along the way, so we both lost
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  Speaker 4: our dads. I lost my brother before publication, and so
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  Speaker 4: it's dedicated to them. We became closer as friends. He
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  Speaker 4: did probably about eight hundred hours of research. I've estimated
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  Speaker 4: I did nearly one hundred interviews for the project, talk
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  Speaker 4: to everyone from Jerry Colangelo to Brad Stevens, to Phil Jackson,
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  Speaker 4: to Daryl Morey to I mean, Jeff van Gundy wrote
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  Speaker 4: the forward of the book, Stan van Gundy, Frank Vogel,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, up and down the line like really cool,
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  Speaker 4: interesting people, and it was I'm really.
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  Speaker 3: Really proud of the final product.
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  Speaker 4: I it's a I'm rambling, but it's it's not really
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  Speaker 4: you don't have to care about Amherst or emersoner Williams.
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  Speaker 4: It's about It's about networking and management and leadership and
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  Speaker 4: why basketball looks the way it does, and how hard
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  Speaker 4: work can if you just get one toe through the door,
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  Speaker 4: you can break the whole thing down. And so it's
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  Speaker 4: I'm really really proud of the final product because it
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  Speaker 4: took years to get to this point.
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  Speaker 1: What's the answer. Why are d three former books. Read
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  Speaker 1: the book, give people a summary the book. Now, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so what's the answer.
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  Speaker 4: Basketball has gotten smarter and bigger and more lucrative. So
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  Speaker 4: smarter people have had more opportunities to get in in
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  Speaker 4: unconventional ways. And then because of the resources that are
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  Speaker 4: available to them at D three, they're willing to do
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  Speaker 4: more with less, and they tend to overachieve. Is like
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  Speaker 4: a broad way of explaining it. Like back in the day,
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  Speaker 4: you've got maybe four assistant coaches. Now there are two
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  Speaker 4: rows of coaches on a bench. Every team has a
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  Speaker 4: G League affiliate, you have advanced scouts, you have video coordinators.
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  Speaker 4: So it's a lot easier to say, Okay, this guy
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  Speaker 4: is smart, but he's six foot nothing, one hundred and nothing.
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  Speaker 4: I'll let him edit our video clips. And then that
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  Speaker 4: guy gets his foot in the door and they end up,
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  Speaker 4: you know, because D three basketball is a high level
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  Speaker 4: of basketball. These are really smart guys, and then they
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  Speaker 4: get in and they prove what they can do. Coaching
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  Speaker 4: is teaching, and so these guys all star players care
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  Speaker 4: about is do you know your shit? Can you make
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  Speaker 4: me better? Lebron doesn't care that you can't do a
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  Speaker 4: no look past like him, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Jason Tatum doesn't care that you can't do a windmill
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  Speaker 4: bunk like him. Can you make them better? And that
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  Speaker 4: often happens for the best coaches between the ears. And
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  Speaker 4: so once guys like Greg Popovic and Jeff Van Gundy
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  Speaker 4: proved that they could do it, and then they started,
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  Speaker 4: like any other business, they hired their friends. Then their
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  Speaker 4: friends proved that they could do it. It just kind
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  Speaker 4: of spread throughout the league with the like you know,
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  Speaker 4: branches off of a tree, and now the younger guys.
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  Speaker 4: They have group texts of D three alums. Sam Press
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  Speaker 4: the emails some top D three programs every year asking
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  Speaker 4: for who the best guy to put into the feeder
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  Speaker 4: system would be. Who's a man who's a backup point guard,
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  Speaker 4: Who's the guy who's willing to do the grunt work,
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  Speaker 4: who wants to rise up through the ranks. So, like
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  Speaker 4: any network, someone needed to do it first, and then
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  Speaker 4: they hired people behind them.
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  Speaker 3: And now we're here.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone should go buy the book so it can get
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  Speaker 1: they can go even deeper on what the answer is.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, because this is really just a Matt
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  Speaker 1: Mitchell podcast. He wants me to note that you highlight
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Van Gundy. Jeff's first job was coaching Matt Mitchell's
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  Speaker 1: high school, McQuaid Jesuit in Rochester, not coincidentally, probably because
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  Speaker 1: of you know if therefore, then the next year Jeff
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  Speaker 1: Van Gundy became a GA of Providence, where they went
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  Speaker 1: to the Final four.
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  Speaker 3: Jeff Van Gundy.
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  Speaker 4: The stories of Jeff Van Gundy in this book then
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  Speaker 4: met you will absolutely love. I mean, the things that
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  Speaker 4: he did for those kids at high school when he
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  Speaker 4: was twenty three years old, coaching them, His story of
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  Speaker 4: going from Yale to Menlo Junior College. No one in
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  Speaker 4: the history of anyone has ever done that, only for
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  Speaker 4: him to then go with Brockport and Nazareth, so he
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  Speaker 4: was the transfer portal before the transfer portal. There are
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  Speaker 4: great Van Gundy anecdotes in this book that people will like.
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  Speaker 1: Danny. One of the reasons we have you on today
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  Speaker 1: a obviously you're deep in Chicago and we're going to
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  Speaker 1: get to the Bears and Caleb Williams. But also if
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  Speaker 1: people don't know, you know, your betting, not just like hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know, everyone's got to get into betting because there's
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  Speaker 1: money in it, and we've got to get sponsors, and
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  Speaker 1: so we're going to talk about betting on the show,
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  Speaker 1: like you and I got to know each other because
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  Speaker 1: when we first started Action, we were both guests on
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  Speaker 1: a show that was focused on betting. Through Odyssey. You
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  Speaker 1: know your stuff in betting. So we're going to run
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  Speaker 1: through the NFC East or the NFC Conference. Pass or play.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't have an opinion, that's cool, we can pass.
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  Speaker 1: But we're going to go through sort of the markets
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  Speaker 1: that we've seen posted so far. A lot of markets
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  Speaker 1: for every team, a lot of players, Rookie of the year's,
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  Speaker 1: coach of the year, etc. We're gonna run through some opinions.
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  Speaker 1: You ready, Let's do it, all, right, Simon Dallas Cowboys.
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  Speaker 1: If there's a team that has had a worse offseason
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  Speaker 1: or a more criticized offseason, it's hard to pinpoint. It
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  Speaker 1: feels like every decision they've made since they decided not
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  Speaker 1: to fire Mike McCarthy has been the wrong decision, at
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  Speaker 1: least from the perspective of the public. Ten and a
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  Speaker 1: half win total juice to the under plus one twenty
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  Speaker 1: to win the East, I would fade the Cowboys right now, Simon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like Jerry Jones is in shock. I
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  Speaker 2: honestly think he's in shock from that Green Bay playoff
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  Speaker 2: game and he hasn't come out of it where something
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  Speaker 2: changed in him from that game where instead of going
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  Speaker 2: forward or going backwards, he's done nothing. They're just spinning
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  Speaker 2: their tires right now, the Cowboys, and I think this
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  Speaker 2: is more says so much about Dak Prescott and Chad knows.
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  Speaker 2: All I do on here is take heat. When I
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  Speaker 2: said that Dak Prescott was not a top ten quarterback
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  Speaker 2: last year, and people were like, oh, it's a Homer
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  Speaker 2: pick everything you're saying. My exact reason was he's going
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  Speaker 2: to have an incredible regular season and then he is
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  Speaker 2: going to do nothing in the playoffs and he will
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  Speaker 2: not take any blame. People will blame the head coach,
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  Speaker 2: they'll blame the offensive skill positions. Finally, finally, this year,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like people are holding Dak to the fire,
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  Speaker 2: like he's taking some accountability where he's it's him, Like
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  Speaker 2: as much as people want to put it everywhere else,
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  Speaker 2: he is what fell apart in that Green Bay game.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you are the two seed at home against
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  Speaker 2: a very young Green Bay team in the seventh seed,
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  Speaker 2: and you got embarrassed. I mean that was an embarrassing game.
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  Speaker 2: I mean we watched that in a bar with all
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  Speaker 2: our fans, Chad and everyone. Five minutes in New this
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  Speaker 2: game's over. I mean it was before you even threw
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  Speaker 2: a pick six. It just felt like everything was going
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  Speaker 2: wrong for the Cowboys. So people, if you want to
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  Speaker 2: bet the Cowboys this year, go for it. But me
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  Speaker 2: and Chad begged you last year to bet them to
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  Speaker 2: win the division. It was it was an easy bet,
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  Speaker 2: and this year feels like the easy bet of you
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  Speaker 2: just fade the Cowboys. It's it's it's totally an in
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  Speaker 2: between year of the writings on the wall. They are
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  Speaker 2: moving on from dak This this to me feels like
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  Speaker 2: Jerry has already said as much without having to say anything,
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  Speaker 2: because for the first time in my lifetime, they have
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  Speaker 2: done zero moves and zero ways if they try to
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  Speaker 2: benefit and make this team better. So yeah, it's a
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  Speaker 2: long winded answer of saying you can bet the under.
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  Speaker 2: If you won, I'll bet the under. But like, why
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  Speaker 2: would you bet anything for them for future as divisional? What?
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  Speaker 2: Who is still out there that's betting this team's future
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  Speaker 2: long wise. So yeah, interesting to hear your opinion. But
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  Speaker 2: for me, this is just an easy stay away team
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  Speaker 2: or betting under team. I just have zero faith in
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  Speaker 2: this Cowboys team.
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  Speaker 3: Danny, Yeah, the offseason is terrible.
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  Speaker 4: David stuck in quicksand this isn't a gambling point, but
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  Speaker 4: generally speaking, when you have star players, you want to
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  Speaker 4: sign them as early as possible because then other teams
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  Speaker 4: signed star players and the market just stacks up. So
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  Speaker 4: everyone's focusing on Dak Prescott. They also haven't signed Ceede Lamb,
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  Speaker 4: so and all these other receivers are getting contract extensions.
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  Speaker 4: People are waiting for Justin Jefferson. What's Jamar Chase gonna do?
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  Speaker 4: We saw the AJ Brown extension and so they are
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  Speaker 4: going to be in a real tough spot and they've
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  Speaker 4: got to choose who they want to keep, and it
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  Speaker 4: just feels like this is a transitional year now. They
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  Speaker 4: scored more points than anybody in the NFL. Last year
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  Speaker 4: they won twelve games. But and Tyler Geiten was a
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  Speaker 4: fine first round pick they traded back to do it,
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  Speaker 4: but he had very little experience in college and he's
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  Speaker 4: probably going to be a plug and play day one
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  Speaker 4: left tackle if Dak or Cedee Lamb gets injured. They're
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  Speaker 4: so dependent on those two guys for production. I mean
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  Speaker 4: they brought back Zeke Elliott. They did not you know,
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  Speaker 4: Brandon Cooks is still the number two. They did not
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  Speaker 4: invest in depth at skill position anywhere. Everyone in the
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  Speaker 4: world thought they were going to draft a running back
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  Speaker 4: in the middle rounds of this draft. They didn't. So,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's de Deuce Vaughn, it's Zeke Elliott. It's
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  Speaker 4: a very top heavy roster. So I kind of like
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  Speaker 4: plus one ninety five missed the playoffs cause right now
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  Speaker 4: everyone's like, oh, it's been a bad offseason, but they're
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  Speaker 4: still good. So you could just bet against them in
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  Speaker 4: games if you wanted, You could do season win total under.
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  Speaker 4: But if you think that Washington's going to be better
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  Speaker 4: and that Philly's going to bounce back, the NFC has
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  Speaker 4: caught up a little bit to the AFC, So I
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  Speaker 4: don't hate plus one ninety five on them to miss
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  Speaker 4: the playoffs entirely.
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  Speaker 1: I love that idea. Look the Cowboys, there was no
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  Speaker 1: game that anybody was more hyped to bet than the Packers,
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  Speaker 1: as underdogs in that game, and it paid almost from
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of the game. The fact that, Simon, I
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  Speaker 1: think you're right. Jerry Jones seems like he's in shock,
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  Speaker 1: but nobody else is because everyone else was betting against
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  Speaker 1: him from the second that line opened. In the playoffs,
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  Speaker 1: so under plus one ninety five and missed the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: Those are good early leans. I like it. Washington Commanders,
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  Speaker 1: new owner, new quarterback, new coach, six and a half
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  Speaker 1: wins juice to the over plus two sixty to make
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs. Jayden Daniels seven to one to win Rookie
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  Speaker 1: of the Year. I think in a division where the
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  Speaker 1: Cowboys will be down but still better than the Commanders,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I believe the Eagles will be much improved. I don't
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: love betting over six and a half on the Commanders, Simon.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: This feels a little bit like we're being baited.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also this is probably the happiest and most
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: excited these fans have been since what RG three rookie year,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: even those Kirk years. I don't really think the fan
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: base ever totally bought into Kirk right where they really
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: do feel like they have their guy now and they
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: have a different organization, everything going forward. So I do
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: think the books have bumped this up probably half a
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: game chat just because of it, the excitement everything that
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: comes with it. You're right, like the play probably is
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: the under I will make a play. Yet I need
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: to see this kid in camp because he has crazy
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: high upside. We already talked about it like this this
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: kid is older. You know, Daniels is a twenty four
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: year old rookie or whatever it is, so he could
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: come in and be very game ready. But I would say,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: as a fan of a team in the NFC East,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: we have some of the best he lines in football
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: in our division, and this is a kid that doesn't
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: have that good of offensive line that likes to run
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: the ball. So Daniels has crazy upside, or he could
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: be out of the season in week two. Like it's
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: just it's all there for this kid and this team.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: So I'm with Chad, like I don't even putting any
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: money on this team here in May, so I'm gonna
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ahead and pass on making a play
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: on this team right now. Danny.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the only thing that you said there and I
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: would not do it because I'm a Caleb guy, and
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: we'll get to it.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: But if you are a believer in.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: Daniels, he's the next guy that can win Rookie of
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: the Year realistically, if you're a believer, now I'm not.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: I didn't see enough off schedule stuff from him in college.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: He had Thomas, he had neighbors. Everything was clean for him.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: In the pocket, there's a lot of yards after the catch.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: I get why people like him for fantasy because of
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: the built in floor with quarterback rushing yards and rookies
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: when they don't get one read to read, they'll take
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: off and run. So I get the fantasy hype on Daniels,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: but I don't really get the win total hype yet.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: For him as a rookie, it's a pretty good situation
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: to go to with Dotson and McLaurin to throw the ball.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: But I'm with you on the offensive line questions and
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: I would be staying away. But if you are a
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: believer in Daniels, I would be in investing in Washington
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: not for their win total to make the playoffs, but
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: in that Rookie of the year number.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: The New York Giants six and a half wins. This
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: to me is a really interesting team obviously they've changed dramatically.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, we don't really know what his future is.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Barkley is gone Dayball. After being praised as a genius,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: now all of a sudden wasn't a genius and there
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: was strife and they're turning over their coaching staff. I
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: have no opinion on this team right now, Simon, start
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: us off.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet them at whatever. It was one hundred
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: and thirty to one for the Super Bowl future when
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: we did our show in February. Just right, just a.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to trade Daniel Jones. And
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: these odds were too high, and it's very telling they
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: haven't moved much since they've got Daniel Jones, because that's
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: the book kind of view of them. But yeah, if
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: you're going to go with a crazy long shot team,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: how do you not bet this team like these are.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: This is probably the best offensive weapons even that Barkley left.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: It is probably the best offensive weapons Daniel Jones ever
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: had on his Giants' career. And you know, last year
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: they won games with a third stringer that was living
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: at home with his parents in Jersey, Like, this team
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: has talent and Daniel Jones to me does have talent.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: We've seen that kid make big throws in a playoff
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: game to beat Kirk Cousins.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Like it.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: There are things there to like. So it's a BILO team.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: So I'll take the over six and a half. I'll
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: bet them ten to one. Do I have any faith
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: that they would actually win this division? No, but it's football.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Weirder things have happened, especially where you know, the Eagles
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: have an offense where we could see Hurts get hurt, right,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: it's not gonna wouldn't be that shot and see him
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: get banged up. Same goes with the Cowboys. I just
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: have to see them regressing. So no faith in Washington.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: If you're going to bet a long shot team in
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: this division, you only got one option. To me, it's
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: the Giants, not Washington. So I'll throw a little on
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: the Giants here. But like I'm saying, tongue in cheek chat,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: do I really believe this team's gonna win this division? No,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: but it's ten to one, I gotta throw a little
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: on it.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Tommy DeVito was quitt side at MSG last night, got
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: a massive ovation and looked looked exactly like Tommy DeVito
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: would look in the offseason, no judgment, just saying Danny.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'll be quick. I'm a pass on
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: investing in this team. I love the Neighbors pick, crazy
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: high upside. I think he'll be a star. And you
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: want to not be in a situation that the Patriots
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: are in where you draft a quarterback and have nothing
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: around them. When they move on from Daniel Jones, they'll
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: at least have a stud wide receiver on a rookie deal.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: So I liked the logic of the Neighbors pick, but
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: I think it's for the next quarterback. I think they're
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: going to be pretty bad this year.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Now, i'd simon, now we got to talk about the
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Eagles ten and a half wins. I know it sounds crazy,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: feels low to me. I think that because it's juice
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: to the under. It feels to me like the market
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: is not acknowledging how much better or this team can be.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: And that last year was a funky year, especially the
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: last six weeks. If you look at it in some ways,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: you could convince yourself that the Eagles overachieved in those
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: first ten to twelve weeks of the year because they
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: didn't have a great coaching staff, and they really were
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: winning on sort of guile and championship pedigree, and then
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: the wheels just came off with injuries and bad decisions
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: and you saw sort of how it was put together
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: with sort of scotch tape. But I love their draft.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I like that they re signed AJ Brown. It probably
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: takes some of detention out of the room, shows a commitment.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I'm always going to be a Jalen Hurts fan. I
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: like Saquon walk me back from over hyping and over
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: believing in this team's potential right now.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, last year, we talked all of season they were
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: gonna be an easy fade. Teams that lose a super
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Bowl coming in the next season, it always goes bad, right,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: We talked them, unless you have Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: you lose the super Bowl the next season, it's just
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: not gonna be right because you're chasing something instead of
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: focusing on the season. And you know, should have been
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: a red flag last year when we saw Jalen Hurts,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: his background was all the confetti from the super Bowl,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: where it's like this this guy people like that, where
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: it's like he's determined and this is what he's like
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: reminding himself of every day. It wore the team down.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Like midway through the season, the team was just worn down.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: And I mean they went from what ten to one
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: went in their division to being a wildcard team, Like
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: they just totally collapsed. They're an easy bet to be
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: better this year, like they brought in a new OC,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: a new DC, the talent they brought in, Like people
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: are saying it's a negative they've lost Jason Kelcey. Of course,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the guy is such a leader, it's a big deal.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: But it's also a thirty five thirty four undersize center
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: that they're losing. So it's like, it's not great they
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: losing Jason Kelsey. But I don't think it's me as
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: dramatic as everyone's making out to be. It's like this,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: this is ain't the guy we all thought he was
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: years ago. He's still a great player, but it was
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: like it's at some points he became a liability and
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: we go up against certain teams. So yeah, my view
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: of this Eagles team pretty simple. I think their Chad
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: alluded to it last last episode that he thinks the
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: AFC is the best teams. In my model, I have
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: the three best teams right now on football or the NFC,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: and no surprise, forty Niners number one, number two, I
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: have the Eagles number three. I have Detroit line. So
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: right now I have them great above any other teams
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: in the AFC, which sounds crazy, but I'm talking complete teams.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: This isn't just about the quarterbacks. It's the complete team.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: So this Eagles team, I don't know how these rookies
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: are going to perform, and all these kids they took
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: from Georgia, they have a lot of questions on that side.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: But offensively, this is the best offensive football in my opinion,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: So pretty excited to see what they do now with
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: a good offensive mind coaching his team. Again, nothing against Sirianni,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I just I don't have faith of him as an
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. So yeah, Eagles team over ten and a
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: half them to win the East. I saw on our
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: notes have Saquon for rushing touchdowns. That's a really dumb bet.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Hurts is going to eat at that. Do not beton
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: most rushing touchdowns. I do not like that, especially a
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: guy like him. You can catch it as well, so
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: he's not always gonna be rushing it in there. Push
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: push people stay away from Saquon. Uh, but yeah, just
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: a team I'm all in on. But obviously questions to
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: me are still Siriani Like. I don't really have an
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: issue with her. It's my my main issue is Siriani.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: I liked what they did in the draft. I thought,
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: you know, the pass defense was so bad last year
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: and just so disappointing, and Sleigh and brad Berry and
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: the upgrades that were so necessary. So I think, uh,
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: you know, getting Mitchell the corner from Toledo Cooper Degen
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: in the second round, who will you know, most likely
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: be a safety there?
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: I thought. I thought, giving premium resources.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: To the biggest issue on the team was the obvious play.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: And if I'm selling the Cowboys, uh, you've got to
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: buy the Eagles. So I agree, this isn't over ten
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: and a half for me.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: I'm not.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: I do not agree that they're the best team in football,
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: but I do think that they are a.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Forty nine ers. I said they're number two. I said, okay, yeah,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: but even that's that big of a homer.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I'm a home like that. I'll take the Chiefs.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Look, that's it. That's a fascinating conversation that we'd go
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Niners Eagles, Lions as the three best teams in football
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: when the AFC has been so dominant. But I also
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: like the idea because it brings more credence to the
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Bengals bet to win the Super Bowl that we.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Made AFC's been dominant. What name the other Super Bowl
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: winners other than the Chiefs. You got to go back
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: to Brady. I get what you're saying, but it's like
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: it feels like they just had They've just had the
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: best quarterback in football for the last twenty years of
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: the AFC, and that's been their cheek code. It's like
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: they literally just went from Brady to Mahomes. I just
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: think the most complete teams are in the NFC.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: I like it. I like it.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Chic Cargo, Cago, that Toddle in Town.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Chicago, Chicago, I will show you around.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Speaking of best quarterbacks in the history of football, oh God,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: the Bears have basically drafted this successor to Johnny Unitas,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes In, Caleb Williams, Danny
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the flora is yours.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, where do I begin?
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: Other than no number one pick quarterback in the history
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: of football has ever walked into a better situation period.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: That's a fact, not an opinion. So it's and then
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: you add in the level of prospect that he is
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: and you say, okay, well, it's like Trevor Lawrence is
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: a prospect, or, it's like Burrow is a prospect, or,
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: it's like Andrew luck is a prospect. Like whatever your flavor.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Those guys all went to one or two win teams.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: This is a seven win team that added Keenan Allen.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: So it's DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Roma Donze, top ten
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: tight ends, Cole Comet, all rookie right tackle Darnell Wright,
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: and a solid offensive line. I'm not going to make
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: it out like they're the best in the NFL, but
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Braxton Jones is a replacement level left tackle. Tevin Jenkins
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: is a very good left guard. They upgraded at center
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: with Ryan Bates, and they got a nineteen million dollar
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: right guard in Nate Davis, and they got DeAndre Swift
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: out of the backfield. So they were a top five
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: defense in the NFL after they added Montese Sweat. Defensive
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: line questions still exist. If Montes Sweat got hurt, they
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: would have no pass rush. They basically had no pass rush.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: Last year, they were thirty first in sack rate even
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: with him as a midseason addition. But they have a
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: legitimate shot at being a top ten defense and top
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: ten offense with a incredibly talented, generational quarter on.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: A rookie deal. Who people are like, oh, it was
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: bad at USC.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Okay, he did win the Heisman Trophy and in two
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: years he had a forty six to one touchdown the
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: interception ratio in the red zone and didn't throw an
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: interception in his USC career on third or fourth down.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: This is a big game hunter who lost eight games
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: at USC. His defense gave up at least thirty four
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: points in all eight of the losses average of forty
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: three points allowed. He is craving structure. So it was like, oh,
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: he fumbled too much? Did you watch any of those games?
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: The guy was trying to, you know, score seventy points
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: per possession because that's what his defense and offensive line necessitated.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: So you come to a good defense, a higher level
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: of play, a top three or four wide receiver trio
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: in the NFL, a good offensive line, a good tight end,
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: and the Bears are screaming over this year on their
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: win total and if you want to sprinkle them at
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: better than three to one in the division, I.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Don't hate it because I already did it.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: And Eddie questions, Simon, I do have questions, but Simon,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if I want you to say anything.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I don't want you. I don't want you to harsh
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: my buzz here man.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: As Chad knows, I'm the one that keeps it real
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: with them, and I tried to chill them out with
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: fields when they drafted justin Fields. Was my exact quote
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: to you chat. Probably don't even remember, but my exact
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: quote the chat was, the Bears don't draft quarterbacks that
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: are good, and Ohio State doesn't produce quarterbacks that are good.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: And work out with CJ. Stroud.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: There you go. So so this is way before CJ. Shroud,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: so I'll give them the roses. Finally, Ohio State produced one.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Sadly for the Bears, they didn't take them. They didn't
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: take CJ. They moved out of that pick and it
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: worked out for you guys. You're gonna get williams Now
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: because the Panthers didn't take CJ. They took Bryce Young
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: and you're right, he is walking into the greatest I mean,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: this is easily the best spot ever for number one pick.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: It's just the fear is thisago. Man, you guys fucking
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: kill quarterbacks. That's why, like I am excited.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: To be that's so dumb. That's it is.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: It is dumb, but it's it's believe I've had a
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: four thousand yard passer in our history. So I just
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: look at Chicago and I'm the guy that I've been
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: trying to get Chad and other Bears fans on onto
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: this bandwagon off Caleb Williams. Like, dude, Justin Fields was fun.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: His ceiling was never gonna be anything close to Williams,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: and I feel like most Chicago has come around now
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, I don't know why we love just
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: to Field so much. You guys just had this loyalty
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: to him that was crazy. Where it's like Williams is
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: the savior. Williams is the guy that could change everything.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: So I'll fade him this year just because it's it's
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: the right play. He's in a really tough division. Detroit's
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: really good. Minnesota is not terrible, like people are making
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: them not to be, even though they do have a
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: rookie quarterback that's probably gonna start, and the Packers. I
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: want to bet on Thember progression too, So that's what's
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: tough your Chicago. It's like, I'm not gonna bet the
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: under early and a half or the over eight and
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: a half, but I'm gonna bet. To me, the fun
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: bet for Chicago is the over passing yards for Williams.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: If Williams goes over, is three thy five hundred passing
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: yards or three thy six hundred To me, that's that's
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: this team excelling, maybe making the playoffs and maybe going
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: over the win total. That's a fun bet where it's
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: like I really like Williams, I just don't trust the
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: ownership and the coaching of the Bears yet. So I'm
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: a year away from being all in on the Bears.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Where it's like if Williams hits us over in the
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: passing yards and you know, the defense, like you said,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: is a top ten defense this year, Like, dude, the Bears,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: the Bears going forward are going to be a juggernaut.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: But I'm gonna wait and see. It's just I don't
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: think there's value here because this should be seven and
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: a half eight, But it's all the way up to
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: eight and a half. That's crazy for a rookie coming
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: in into a tough division getting that much respect.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: They won seven games last year, Bears beat the Lions once,
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: should have beat in place. They upgraded at quarterback. So
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know that going from seven to nine with
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: an upgrade at quarterback and going from Darnell Mooney to
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: Keenan Allen at wide receiver two and for Tyler Scott
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: to run with Dunes at wide receiver three, is that
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: crazy to think that they might be two wins better
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: than they were last year. Full season of Montes sweat
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: as opposed to a half season of Montes sweat, and
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: as to like Chicago's where Quarterbacks Go to Die, that
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: whole thing. Do you guys know the quarterback who last
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: won a single regular season game that was drafted by
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: the Chiefs before Patrick Mahomes then any Testa Verdi Todd Blacklitch.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: It was the Bengals were the Bungles until Joe Burrow
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: got there. Any change ownership, you can.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Had Andy Dollon years, you guys would have taken to
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Andy Dollon. That was your Jay Cutler years.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: So I understand that my point is like this idea
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: of history and futility and laughing sty it just takes
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: one dude to change.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: It just takes one dude.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: You haven't found out one dude in one hundred years though.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: That's the joke. Yeah, oh, I know the joke.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: I'm saying. The new punchline is Caleb Williams.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Well, look, the sad thing is the only Bears quarterback
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: bobblehead I have on my desk, which is the only
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Bears quarterback babblehead that's been produced, and I know because
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I got it from the Bears is sid Luck. So
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: we are due.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: The J. Cutler one would have had a cigarette in
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: his mouth.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: The J Culer one would have had a cigarette in
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: his mouth. He would have been standing at a urinal
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: yelling I don't care.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Speaking of teams we hate, but not as much as
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: the Knicks, the Green Bay Packers. Are they due for aggression? Yeah,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: simon take me.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just an easy bet. This is such
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: a team that's due for aggression. They the second half
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: of the season was incredible, but I even league loss
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: over a little bit of it, Like they didn't even
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: play that well against the Bears in that final game
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: to either the Bears defense really dominated Jordan Love. The
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: fields had just produced a little they would have beat them.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: There's just a bunch of little things where the Green
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Bay they were good, Jordan Love got better. If you're
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: a Green Bay fan, this is the dream, like seeing
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: this guy second half of the year improved dramatically. The
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: book is going to be out, the tape is going
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: to be out. So that's the toughest part with this.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: That's why football is so hard, where it's like they
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: literally will see what you do best and they have
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: a whole offseason how to adjust to it and to
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: challenge you with it next year. So don't again. I hate,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I hate pissing on these teams, but and I get
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Green Bay be excited about your future. You guys are
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: one of the youngest teams in all football. But you're
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: an easy candidate to miss the playoffs. You were the
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: seventh seed or they got very lucky, and a lot
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: of things bounce your way. And I mean, it pains
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: me to say with these two Chicago guys on here,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: but like I think you're pretty even like talent wise,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: I feel like Chicago actually might have a slight edge
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: over green Bay talent wise. So if I like leaning
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: towards the under of green Bay, obviously I like the
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: under here for nine and a half at it's just
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: too high for a green Bay team, that it.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Danny.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: I hope you're right. I really hope you're right. But
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: I actually think that Jordan Love is good. They had
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: the youngest offense in the NFL last year, so a
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: full offseason of just development, cohesion, all of that. He
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: was getting better as the year went on. It's sickening
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: to me how much he looks like Aaron Rodgers, like
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: where he holds the ball down by his hip, and
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: like how he does the ball fakes. It's just nauseating
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: as a Bears fan going from Aaron Jones to Josh Jacobs. Obviously,
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: Jacobs kind of goes good year, bad year, good year,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: bad year, but he is younger than Aaron Jones. They
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: were twenty seventh in defensive DVOA last year, and they
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: upgraded a defensive coordinator because I don't think that you
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: could do worse than Joe Barry. When they go now
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: to this guy from Boston College who was in the
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: NFL for seven years, Jeff Haffley, who wants to do
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: some single high safety stuff. And so what do they
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: do in free agency? They go out and get Xavier McKinney,
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: one of the best safeties in the NFL, so he's
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: gonna play more pressman, which obviously helps Jay r Alexander,
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: one of the best corners in the NFL. I have
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: no idea why Joe Berry was dropping him in his
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: own so I hate to say it, but they're a
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: well run organization. Lafleour is an awesome coach. It looks
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: like Jordan Love is good. I don't think he's a superstar,
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: but it's at least still in play. So I'm staying
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: away from the Green Bay Packers at this point because
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: I do believe in Jordan Love and I do think
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: they upgraded on defense.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Alright, I'm gonna kick us up into the second gear
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: here because we've still got a lot of teams. Again,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: we gotta go faster, and I know Danny's got to
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: get out of here at exactly the hour. So Minnesota
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: six and a half wins plus at eight to fifty
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: to win the division, plus two to fifty to make
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. I know what Simon said before about this
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: being a team that probably isn't as bad as people
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: think because they have a rookie quarterback coming in. He
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: has all the pieces there. I'm a pass on this
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: team completely right now.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Yep, pass, I agree.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: I do think Kevin O'Connell's a great coach, though so
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: in terms of quarterbacks are successful because of the situation
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: they go to, not necessarily just because of the quarterback.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: I do think that JJ McCarthy got very, very lucky
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: going you.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Guys see my fear though, you guys now can admit
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: you probably the fourth best coach in your division. That's
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: that's a scary spot to be.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Who's the favorite for Coach of the year right now,
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: by the way, Yeah.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: But that's only because you've got a quarterback who's set
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: up to be the greatest quarterback in the history of
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: the NFL.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Matt Maggie won Coach of the Year because Vic fam
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: defense got thirty six takeaways. Okay, exactly, I'm aware of
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: how it works, but he is a He's a co
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: favorite with Jim Harbaugh to be the coach of the
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: Year in the NFL.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: That only means the disappointment can be greater. Absolutely, Detroit
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Simon's third best team overall in the NFL ten and
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: a half wins Juice to the Under. I worry about
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: this team. I worry that this is a team that
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: was riding so high last year and had so many
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: things go right for them. And I love Dan Campbell.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: We all believe Dan Campbell, and this league is better
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: for the media when Dan Campbell is in it. I
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: worry about this team hitting a wall.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Simon, Yeah, don't even think of people. They're bringing back
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: their genius oc they bringing back to their quarterback. Their
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: rookies are going to be better than they were last year.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, they have arguably a top three tight end.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: I'm on, Saint Brown just resigned. It's all of there.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: So they attacked their defense. The defense is their weakness.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: They blew that game against the forty nine ers because
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: their defense is going to get any stops in that
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: second half. They're going after it. I'm with Chad though,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: like there's still questions about this Lion's team, but like, overall,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: this team is really good. They were, I mean a
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: couple couple of plays away from absolutely snacking and dominating
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: that four nine ers team in San Francisco in the playoffs, like,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: this is a really good team and a very veteran
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: team at the key positions. They got veteran guys defensive line,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: offensive line, and at quarterback skill positions, a bunch of
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: young kids. So yeah, really quick, I would love to
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: dive in more. Will this this upcoming off season more
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: about Detroit just right now. If you're gonna make a bet,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: I'll take the over ten and a half.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: My biggest bet, my biggest preseason bet last year was
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: the Lions to win the North at minus one forty.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: I just thought that was the lock of all locks.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: And people kind of use the logic of oh, it's Detroit,
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: kind of like you're saying bears, they'll mess it up.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: Like whenever I hear that logic, I'm like, eh, I'm
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: going away.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: I'm fit.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: And so they they're really really good and it's crazy
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: that Ben Johnson keeps going back there.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: It's just it's a it's a crazy thing. And so
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: they are in a really, really, really good spot. But
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: they're also not a secret anymore. So it's hard to
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: win eleven plus games. So I will be staying away
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: and just take my profits from last year believing in them.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: And maybe bet them in some game spots. But I
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: don't have any futures on the lines anymore because they're
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: just They're not a secret. Everybody agrees they're a top
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: six team in the NFL.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Simon, can you name the fastest growing ticketing app in
• 42:20
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• 42:21
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• 42:22
  Speaker 1: That's right, It's game Time. I love game Time for
• 42:24
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• 42:33
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• 42:41
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• 42:44
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• 42:47
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• 42:51
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• 42:57
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• 43:00
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• 43:04
  Speaker 1: go into the most irrelevant division in the NFC, the
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: NFC South, the only division where fans only care about
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: the team if they live in that particular city, and
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: no one else really knows if they exist. The only
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: one that actually made any noise this draft, the Atlanta Falcons,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: drafted Michael Pennix Junior in the first round, top ten,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: after they already had Kirk Cousins. Everyone's puzzled. They thought
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: this team had a lock in the division if they
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: made one right move. Danny, I'll start with you. Give
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: me your take on Atlanta right now. Nine and a
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: half wins is the is the season win total? Minus
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: one and twenty five to win the division?
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Straight up, pimpy. If you want me, you can find
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: me getting them.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: This is last year's Detroit Lions.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: Wow, minus one twenty five to win that division is
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: a lock. Oh that's like, Oh, there's no such thing
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: as a lock. That is a great bet. I hated
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: what they did with the eighth overall pick in the draft.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: I loathed it. It was intergalactically stupid. But everything else
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: that they did this offseason was really good. They upgraded
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: significantly at quarterback, they upgraded significantly at coach, they upgraded
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: significantly at offensive coordinator slash play caller, and they upgraded
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: significantly at wide receiver two and three.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: That feels pretty good. That feels pretty good.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: So I and they were the eleventh ranked defense in
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: the NFL last year, so I think that they will
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: win that division.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: I think they will win double digit games.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: And now they actually have Kirk Cousins insurance in Michael
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Pennocks junior. So I am for in terms of a
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: preseason division bet they are this year's Detroit Lions for me.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Strong bold statement from Danny Parkins.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: That's what I do. I know.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I honestly haven't done much of the LANDA if
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: you're looking for a fun long shot bet I made.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I made Pennix eighty to one when Rookie of the
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Year just the simple fact, Hey, if Kirk comes back
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: and he's not right, maybe they take their time with him.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: I just don't know what the timeline is for him.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: And he's looked you know, he's looked at right since
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I've seen little clips of him. But eighty to one
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: for Penix, it feels like that's way too large, where
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, may might not play the whole
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: season either, like he might sit behind percent until you know,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: week fifteen and he's like ten to one. It's just
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: pegs to me, should be closer to forty to one,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: thirty to one. So yeah, Atlanta, I'll pass for now.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not in love with him as much
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: as Danny is here, but I get where he's coming
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: from that they have all the pieces there. The only
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: thing I'm missing was the quarterback.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints. Can't stand them, don't like them, feel irrelevant,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: can't tell you a single move they've made that is
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: worth talking about. Seven and a half wins, it's juiced
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: to the over. They had a chance to close the
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: door on this division last year and just did not
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: make any moves at all. Plus three fifty to win
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: the South Danny fire away.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Pass, It's yeah.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: There's first round pick filled the biggest need on the
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: team at right tackle.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: So I liked the logic.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: I'm always like a best draft, best player available at
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: a position of need. Don't just say best player available, No,
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: you got to do it at a position of need.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: So I thought that that was sensible. I still think
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: Kamara is spectacular when healthy, but I'm a pass on
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: the Saints this year.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Simon, I'll pass her now, but there's like a ninety
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: five chance. I bet these guys win this division in August.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: It's just I love I love all.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: You are a sucker. You are a sucker. And you
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: did the same thing last year.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: This this division, this thou it is where it's like
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: my mistake was everyone kept saying you gotta bet the bucks,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: the bucks of the team for this division. I was
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: just like, they sucked, there's no chance. It's the same
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: conversation now we're having about the Saints. They sucked, there's
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: no chance. So this division is stupid. Chad set it
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: off the top. This is this stupid division. Stupid things happen.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: We spent three months arguing Atlanta and the Saints and
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: both were totally irrelevant and ended up being Tampa. So yeah,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: I'll pass for now, but probably end up.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: On the Saints.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Dennis Allen terrible coach. You should not bet on Carolina
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: four and a half wins, juiced to the over, Give
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: me the under, give me the under. I'll find an
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: alt line of three and a half. I might take
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: that too, Like no belief in this team whatsoever?
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Wow, there we go.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: Uh, I'm not interested in the over unders on four
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: and a half is scary.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: I liked that they traded back into the first round
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: to take Lagett like to you know, they're trying to
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: give Bryce Young some help, but this is too little,
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: too late.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: I think for him. He's what an awful off.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: Everything I said about the situation, Kayleb Williams is walking into.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: It's the exact opposite for poor little Bryce Young.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Aaron Yeah, yeah, big sucks. We'll spend more in the
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: summer on this team, but I'll pass like there's nothing
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: to talk about.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Onto the NFC West. The Rams eight and a half
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: wins Juice to the Over. We don't know the impact
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: of Aaron Donald retiring, but at times he was the
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: thing that kept that defense together when they had nothing else.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: So I'm a little wary of this team, even though
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: I love everything about their offense. Simon, I'll start with you.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: I know you're always a backer of the Rams, or
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: at least like what they tend to do. I know
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: you like Stafford. You have any thoughts on this team?
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Any of the Markets eight and a half wins plus
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: three fifty Stafford twenty five to one win. MVP Jared
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Verse first round pick defensive end thoughts.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't didn't take them on division. Didn't think
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: the value was there. Well, last year we were getting
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: ten to one at this point on them for the division.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Now they're three to one, four to one. It's just
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: the value is not there for how good the forty
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: nine ers aren't. Just how more of a complete team there?
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: And see I just said they lost the best defender
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: in football, So yeah, I'll take their over wins. We
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: won't spend again too much time on it, but yeah,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: it's a team that I had a ton of high
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: hopes that end of the season. You can't fight the
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: fact they're losing. Aaron Donald's a huge deal, especially in
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: that division where they're going up against that forty nine
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: ers team, where it's like he's the guy in the
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: middle that people won't believe it, but he actually did
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: plug up a lot of holes. Now that's gone. I mean,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: they do have good defensive tackles on the RAMS team,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: but obviously nothing compares to him. So Chad, Chad's being
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: a little weary of this team, is Warranton.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm wary. That's a wise guy talking right there. Dang,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: are you a wise guy?
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: I really like the Rams. I don't hate.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: I don't hate Stafford at twenty five to one actual
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: for MVP. I think he is still just a special player.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: And with Nikua and Kupp and McVeigh, I loved. I
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: loved their whole offseason. Jonah Jackson one of the best guards.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Get him. Kevin Dotson re signed him. He played very
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: well for them.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: Didn't even let him hit the window where he can
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: negotiate with anyone else. So like protect Stafford. Okay, Aaron
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: Donald's gone draft Jared Verse to pair with Byron Young.
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: Draft the kid Brayden Fisk who had six sacks each
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: of the last two years as an interior defensive lineman,
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: who was versus teammate in college. Like Donald, big need
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: attack it with high draft picks, protect Stafford, attack it
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: with guards. I even like the Jimmy g signing. Like, Okay,
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: Stafford gets hurt for a game or two, bring in
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: someone who can can keep you afloat Tradavius White at
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: corner on a one year deal. I liked, like just
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: I loved their approach to the offseason. So I'll be
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: on there over for the win total, and then my
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: law out for them will probably be the Stafford MVP
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: play or maybe passing yards leader play for Stafford. I'm
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: I'm very bullish on the Rams this year.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I agree with you on Stafford, and Simon loves Stafford.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: He feel the same way that you do about sort
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: of how good this guy is. I like that play
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: at twenty five to one. I think that's that's a
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: smart one. I want to end with with San Francisco
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: because they've got sort of very high ratings in terms
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: of being one of the best teams in the NFL.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Seattle new coach, new offensive coordinator, a lot of new
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: planning being done there. Seven and a half wins juiced
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: to the over. It's a pass for me. Too many
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: questions about how they're going to transition in a division
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: where I think they're probably the third best team. I pass.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're a team that I'm I'm literally just on
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: the edge of moving the Cardinals above them, like that's
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: they're just they just keep slowly dropping down my board
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: where it's like this this team there is. There are
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: things to like there with Seattle, but it all comes
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: back to Gino and I do think it was just
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: a one year, one year chat and he got paid
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: off of it and Yeah, the guy might have a
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: seventy percent complete percentage on those really tough third downs.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: You just don't have faith in him to make a
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: play that you know you need guys to make an
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: NFL that's so many, so many of these games come
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: down to third down plays in the fourth quarter. And
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: he just consistency last year was not him. He just
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: was not consistent last year. So seven and a half.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: I'll take the under here. You know, I'm not gonna
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: not gonna bet them yet to have the worst record
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: in football. But it's a sneaky play, like this is
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: the team that there is a little bit of that
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: where it's like they got rid of Pete who kind
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: of held it all together for all these years, and
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: now they're bringing a new guy who could be great,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: but this also could be an absolute train wreck. So
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: this is a sneaky team for being the worst team
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: of football.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: Danny, Yeah, I'm a pass on Seattle and i I'm
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: a I'm an overplayer on the Cardinals. Just to kind
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: of combine those two in your points. The Cardinals were
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: the best running team in the NFL when Kyler was healthy,
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: So I mean, the if Kyler's healthy thing is obviously
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: a huge delta. We understand that, but Marvin Harrison Junior
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: will be an impact rookie. They had eleven draft picks,
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: so they're gonna They're gonna be good there and when healthy.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: Their offense was really good second year in the system. Also,
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: I think I think helps because there was clearly a
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: big adjustment there with the system change on offense last year.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: So I'll sell Seattle and buy Arizona.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I like that you're combining them because Simon just did
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: that and talked about them moving up a little bit.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: And when he said that, I looked at Arizona's win
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: total six and a half wins. This is a team
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: that competed and like everyone talked about last year, Shane
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Steiken being the key with Eagles had done the year
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: before and how good he was with the Colts, Gannon
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: had this team plan hard and playing close and winning
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: games they shouldn't have won. Simon, do you have strong
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: thoughts on any Arizona futures right now?
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: No, I'll pass for now, but they're definitely a team
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: that's I talked to book makers they are probably number
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: one or number two. Most bet public side were over
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: like the public just loves them for what you just
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: talked about. They have memories of you know, they won
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: games against the Cowboys without you know, with their third
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: stringer in there, and how they came back and he
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: played all right. Now, they drafted him a top up
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: on the outside chat. So yeah, just really quick, I
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: would say, totally get it. If you want to bet
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: they're over for me, I'm going to pass for now
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: and just look more into it.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: All right. Last team San Francisco forty nine ers. Simon
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: just revealed there the top rated team in his team
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: rankings in the NFL, just ahead of the Eagles and
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: the Lions. Juice to the under at eleven and a
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: half wins brought Party fourteen to one to win MVP. Look,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: last year we were looking at Brock Party to win
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: MVP at that number. When it got to about week ten,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I think, and we like the number. Then this team
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: is tailor made for him to be a really good
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: regular season quarterback and for him to put up guardy
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: numbers and for them to win a lot of games. Danny,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers could be the Bear's biggest
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: obstacle to winning it all.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: What a great NFC Championship game matchup. How do you
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: think Niners fans will feel about being a nine and
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: a half point underdog in that game? The Niners are
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: obviously an awesome team with an awesome coach, and I'm
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: like the last person who's believing that the clock is
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: going to strike midnight on brock Purty because the value
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: of what he can do is incredible and for one
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: million dollars, it's the best value in the NFL. And
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: I get why it's all successful, but I'm just like, Eh,
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: at some point, the wheels are going to come off.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: It doesn't make any damn sense.
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: I just wouldn't invest in a team that has this
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: much popularity behind it, like they're minus two hundred to
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: win the division. I just won ninety one, ninety five whatever,
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: like wherever you're shopping, Like that's crazy. When we were
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: talking about Stafford and the value and the talent of
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: the other teams in the division, So I just I
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: don't think they're that good. They're very, very good, and
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: they consistently proved me wrong. I don't know that I've
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: lost more money on any other team in the NFL
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: the last two years than I have the San Francisco
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: forty nine.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Ers signing, you get the last word in the San
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers. You're number one team in the
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: NFL right now?
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty boring. I have done one team in football,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: so yeah, taking their role obviously, I mean they're the
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: most complete team in all football, and they were a
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: couple couple better coaching decisions away from beating Mahomes in
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl last year. It's just it all comes
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: down to Kyle the end of the day. He is
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: the one where you know, people want to get pretty
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: a lot of shit are not checking out of the
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: pass rush on different third downs. That's not really up
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: to Party. Like he's playing in a system, he doesn't
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: really have that kind of leverage yet as a that
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: was his first year as a starter. People like, I
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: think just people put too much on his plate. So
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: as some of that wanted to fade the four Niners
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: heavily last year because Party was coming off major elbow
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: surgery and it was just like people are putting a
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: lot of faith into a kid who's coming off big
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: surgery head into a season without any offseason work. Didn't
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: miss a beat. I think they dominated Pittsburgh week one
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: and and they were off and running. So yeah, love
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: this four Niners team. Only thing that's topping them is
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: just injury. They're they're just so well coached. They've just
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: drafted so well Lynch as well. So just an incredible team.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: That's why I have them at number one.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: All right, let me recap our passer play here. Dallas
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: under ten and a half, Danny likes plus one ninety five,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: missed the plaffs, which I like a lot. Giants over
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: six and a half, maybe a little taste of ten
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: to one to win the Division, Eagles over ten and
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: a half, and to win the NFC East Chicago, what
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: are we going to do over eight and a half? Wins,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl, win it all, be the greatest
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: team in the history of football.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: Caleb Williams, they're seventeen and oh price is pretty juicy.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: I gotta say.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Take that to Caleb Williams over thirty five hundred passing it.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: That's a really good one. Danny parkins the only lock
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• 58:04
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• 58:08
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• 58:10
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• 58:13
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• 58:15
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