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Sharri | 3 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Showing good evening well first tonight, Peter Dutton says he
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Speaker 1: suspects police officers have been instructed not to arrest pro
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Speaker 1: Palestinian protesters for hate speech. I've done an exclusive interview
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Speaker 1: with the opposition leader where he says that journalists at
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Speaker 1: the ABC have been acting as activists. He also said
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Speaker 1: that university chancellors should be named and shamed for failing
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Speaker 1: to stamp out anti Semitism. But some of his strongest
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Speaker 1: comments were for the Prime Minister himself and also on
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Speaker 1: the question of why law enforcement has been so has
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Speaker 1: been so reluctant to actually enforce the law when it
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Speaker 1: comes to hate speech. Peter Dutton, who's a former coop himself,
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Speaker 1: says it would be frustrating for police not to be
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Speaker 1: able to take strong action when they see.
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Speaker 2: Violence, unrest and lawlessness.
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Speaker 1: On our streets and in our university campuses.
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Speaker 3: There's no doubt in my mind that for the average
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Speaker 3: police officer that this would be completely and utterly offensive
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Speaker 3: as well to be told to stand back with your
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Speaker 3: hands in your pocket.
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Speaker 2: So do you think they are being told that.
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Speaker 3: These No doubt in my mind, because their instinct would
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Speaker 3: be that if they saw somebody breaking the law.
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Speaker 1: Setting Fie into a flag for example, Yes.
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Speaker 4: That they would enforce the law.
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Speaker 1: Now. I did this extensive forty five minute interview with
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Speaker 1: Peter Dutton last night at an event to raise money
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Speaker 1: for JCA, which funds security for Jewish schools. Now, Peter
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Speaker 1: Dutton's view is that under the current law people could
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Speaker 1: have been arrested for hate speech both at the Opera
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Speaker 1: House protest and at protests on university campuses. Now, even
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister has said that chance of inter Fada
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Speaker 1: and from the River to the Sea have no place
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Speaker 1: in our cuntry. But the Opera House protests had worse
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Speaker 1: racist chance.
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Speaker 2: Of where's the Jews? F the Jews?
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Speaker 1: And despite police denials, what many people heard gas the Jews.
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Speaker 4: There is existing scope within the current.
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Speaker 3: Law for some of these people to have been arrested
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Speaker 3: either on the steps of the Opera House on the
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Speaker 3: university campuses, and they haven't been.
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Speaker 1: Could I clarify arrested for hate speech?
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and everything is in context.
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Speaker 3: But if you look at the chance and the intimidation
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Speaker 3: that's taken place, I don't accept that is not against
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Speaker 3: Australian law. And the fact that the police have been
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Speaker 3: told either by the police ministers or they're taking a
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Speaker 3: lead from what they see through the Prime Minister's commentary
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Speaker 3: or lack of it, that they're just there to maintain
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Speaker 3: the peace. This is just another Middle Eastern frakkar and
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Speaker 3: that we don't want to take sides and let's just
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Speaker 3: allow people to protest. That is a complete and utter
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Speaker 3: outrage and I think most Australians are outraged by the
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Speaker 3: inaction as well.
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Speaker 2: Very strong comments.
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Speaker 1: Now there will be a federal election held inside the
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Speaker 1: next eleven months.
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Speaker 2: Dutton said if he were Prime Minister, he.
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Speaker 1: Would tell the head of the afp ASIO and other
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Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies to be strong and actually enforce the law.
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Speaker 1: That there shouldn't be some carve out of the law
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Speaker 1: just because the topic relates to Israel and the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: Dutton said that if there are concerns about the law,
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Speaker 1: that shouldn't stop authorities from enforcing it. Instead, test it,
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Speaker 1: he says, and if it needs to be changed, will
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Speaker 1: then change it.
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Speaker 3: In times of tragedy uncertainty, the leader of our country
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Speaker 3: has to stand up and I think had I've been
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister at the time, not I think I would
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Speaker 3: have made it very clear to the Australian Federal Police Commissioner,
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Speaker 3: to the Director General of ASIO, to the police commissioners
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Speaker 3: otherwise that I had zero tolerance for this behavior and
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Speaker 3: conduct and that the police should enforce the law without hesitation.
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Speaker 4: Not go beyond the law. And if the argument is that.
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Speaker 3: Some elements of the current legislation are unconstitutional, that should
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Speaker 3: have been tested before the courts.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 1: Australia's former ambassador to Israel, Dave Sharma, who's now a
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Speaker 1: Liberal senator, well, he also spoke at this event for
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Speaker 1: THEJCA last night and he backed up Peter Dutton on
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Speaker 1: the need to actually use the hate laws against people
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Speaker 1: who break them and breach the peace.
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Speaker 6: The first step in doing that is at least to
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Speaker 6: test that if the law's found to be wanting here, well,
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Speaker 6: then we can fix the laws now.
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Speaker 1: Peter Darton also criticized journalists out the Public Broadcaster for
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Speaker 1: being activists. The ABC has not covered the anti semitism
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Speaker 1: our country is facing in any in depth way. Whils
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Speaker 1: Sky News has produced an entire documentary with Josh Fredenberg,
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Speaker 1: along with nightly coverage on each of our primetime programs.
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Speaker 1: It's simply incomprehensible that the ABC hasn't properly covered this
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Speaker 1: antisemitism crisis. Well, here's what Peter Dutton said about the
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Speaker 1: ABC and Fairfacts last night.
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Speaker 3: I think the ABC and you could rattle off half
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Speaker 3: a dozen others are full now of these protesters and
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Speaker 3: advocates and they allow their own emotion and political ideology
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Speaker 3: to overtake their objectivity as a journalist.
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Speaker 4: And I think, as you pointed out for.
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Speaker 3: The News, Stable and Sky have been without compromise, and
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Speaker 3: you contrast that to what we've seen in nine.
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Speaker 4: Papers or Fairfax.
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Speaker 3: There is always a divide, but the abrogation here I
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Speaker 3: think highlights the real problem that we've got within parts
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Speaker 3: of the media that don't have that objectivity, and it's
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Speaker 3: going to be a feature ongoing.
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Speaker 1: On university campuses, we've seen young Australian Jews have to
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Speaker 1: face hatred and aggression and anger from protesters on a
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Speaker 1: daily basis. They've been videos posted to social media of
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Speaker 1: activists saying they're going to chase Zionists of campus, and
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Speaker 1: a professor was exposed by The Australian just last week
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Speaker 1: for wrongly saying that the sexual violence of October seven
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Speaker 1: was a hoax. Well, I asked mister Darton about all
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Speaker 1: of this last night, and he said, university chancellors should
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Speaker 1: be named and shamed.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 3: The level lough of capitulation and frankly facilitation of the
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Speaker 3: anti Semitism, or almost the encouragement of it through the inaction,
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Speaker 3: the lack of leadership from not just the chancellors and
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Speaker 3: the vice chancellors, but frankly the senior leadership within the
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Speaker 3: universities as well. Who should all be publicly named and shamed.
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Speaker 7: We do this to.
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Speaker 3: Because there's a scrutiny from time to time on CEOs
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Speaker 3: or chairs or board members of particular companies. We should
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Speaker 3: be asking these people how on earth they justified what
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Speaker 3: has happened and what, in some cases is still happening.
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Speaker 3: How is it conceivable that you would ask some of
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Speaker 3: these people to sit around the table with you to
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Speaker 3: make future decisions, as you say, in relation to the
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Speaker 3: direction of the university, when these people have been shouting
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Speaker 3: from the river to the sea or a father of
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Speaker 3: the harassment and the language toward young women on campus.
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Speaker 4: These same people who would be.
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Speaker 3: Lecturing on pronouns and gender policy, somehow their mind turns
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Speaker 3: blank because that young girl is Jewish and I find
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Speaker 3: it reprehensible.
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Speaker 1: On the question of immigration, Peter Dutton said he thought
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Speaker 1: it was incomprehensible that the Albanezy government was bringing Palestinians
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Speaker 1: from the front line of the war zone into Australia
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Speaker 1: without adequate security screening, and he spoke about when he
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Speaker 1: helped the Zdi women enter the country during the wave
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Speaker 1: of ISIS terror and how it took weeks to conduct
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Speaker 1: biometric screening using data held US intelligence.
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Speaker 3: I think the migration program should be in our best
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Speaker 3: interest and if we're bringing people in, for example, I've
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Speaker 3: been critical of the Prime Minister's decision to bring in
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Speaker 3: literally thousands of people from Gaza during the course of a.
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Speaker 4: War, it's beyond my comprehension.
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Speaker 3: It does take time the weeks that you were talking
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Speaker 3: about before you can get confirmation back. And if we're
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Speaker 3: bringing people in from a war zone at the moment
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Speaker 3: with uncertainty around identification or background or motivation and those
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Speaker 3: checks haven't been done, then I think it's a complete
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Speaker 3: abrogation and I think it puts out country and certainly
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Speaker 3: the Jewish community at even higher risk.
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Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of commentary about whether Dutton has
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Speaker 1: a shot at winning the next election. Alban Easy is
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Speaker 1: facing a detainee crisis and he's refused to accept his
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Speaker 1: immigration minister isn't keeping our country safe. He's also presiding
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Speaker 1: over a cost of living crisis with families when both
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Speaker 1: parents work, struggling to afford housing and some are even
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Speaker 1: living in cars. At the same time, Albanesi has been
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Speaker 1: criticized for high levels of immigration that have put even
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Speaker 1: more pressure on the rental crisis in Australia. Despite failing
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Speaker 1: in almost every policy area, alban Ezi is expected to
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Speaker 1: win more seats than the Coalition at the next election.
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Speaker 1: Many polls predict a minority government or a hung parliament.
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Speaker 1: Well I asked Peter Dutton his own assessment of whether
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Speaker 1: he could win the next election.
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Speaker 3: Even though the first term government hasn't lost since nineteen
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Speaker 3: thirty one, that the best outcome from a Labor Party
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Speaker 3: perspective is that they could form a minority government which
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Speaker 3: would include the Greens and the Tills and potentially, as
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Speaker 3: you say, Muslim independent candidates from Western Sydney or perhaps
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Speaker 3: elsewhere in Melbourne, for example. The reality of that is
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Speaker 3: that yes, they would be compromised even further in terms
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Speaker 3: of their stance.
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Speaker 4: And I think as.
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Speaker 3: We saw during the period of the Gillard government, where
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Speaker 3: there was formal compact with the Greens, there was a
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Speaker 3: drag to the left and I think that is at
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Speaker 3: odds with where most Australians are at.
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Speaker 1: And he spoke about how most Australians just want to
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Speaker 1: improve the lives for themselves and their children.
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Speaker 2: Pretty basic.
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Speaker 1: Well, Duta needs to win nineteen seats to form majority government.
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Speaker 1: He acknowledged the challenge ahead, but said he believes he
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Speaker 1: can get there. So nineteen seats, do you think you
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Speaker 1: can get there?
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Speaker 4: And how The short answer is yes, I do.
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Speaker 3: And as I say, twelve months ago, people weren't contemplating
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Speaker 3: anything other than a second term and perhaps a third
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Speaker 3: term for the Albanesi government. We need to make sure
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Speaker 3: that we have the policies, we have the candidates, and
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Speaker 3: that we can communicate that effectively. And I believe very
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Speaker 3: strongly when you go seat by seat, when you look
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Speaker 3: at our prospects around the country, as we did in
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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, or as John Howard did in nineteen ninety six,
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Speaker 3: there are opportunities for us in Western Australia opportunities for
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Speaker 3: us in South Australia, certainly in New South Wales, in
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Speaker 3: Western Sydney and the Central Coast, and he went.
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Speaker 1: On to outline the areas where he thinks he can
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Speaker 1: pick up many seats. Dutton spoke about his concerns that
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Speaker 1: the Albaneze government would form an alliance with the Greens,
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Speaker 1: where you heard some of those remarks already, but he
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Speaker 1: really does worry about where this would lead the country
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Speaker 1: because in some of his strongest remarks on the Greens yet,
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Speaker 1: Peter Dutton said that Adam Bant leads.
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Speaker 2: A party of hate, and Dutton.
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Speaker 1: Went so far as to call the Greens an anti
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Speaker 1: Semitic party.
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Speaker 3: There is a real danger if that were scenario that
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Speaker 3: somebody like Adam band who is running an anti Semitic party,
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Speaker 3: they're a party of hatred, and that they would be
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Speaker 3: in government. I think is a shocking consideration, but that
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Speaker 3: is one of the prospects after the next election.
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Speaker 1: In the meantime, under Labor, Australia's relationship with Israel has
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Speaker 1: fractured in a major way. There's immense dissatisfaction with Australia's
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Speaker 1: foreign policy. Since October seven from Israel's perspective, and this
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Speaker 1: is at the very highest levels.
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Speaker 2: Of the Israeli government.
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Speaker 8: Well.
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Speaker 1: Peter Dartton pointed to the importance of Australia's relationship with Israel.
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Speaker 1: He said as Defense and Home Affairs Minister, he received
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Speaker 1: intelligence from Israel over a long period of time, intelligence
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Speaker 1: that resulted in the thwarting of terror attacks and lives
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Speaker 1: being saved. He said that rebuilding that trust would be
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Speaker 1: a priority if he were Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: The relationship has been long standing and it's in our
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Speaker 3: mutual interest for us to rebuild that relationship which has
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Speaker 3: been damaged. There's no question of that, and I think
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Speaker 3: we need to apply ourselves to that. And when I
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Speaker 3: think of my colleagues here today in Julian Or Sarah Holly,
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Speaker 3: Dave Sharma, others, James Patterson, many others, I know that
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Speaker 3: in government we could in very quick fashion really reassert
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Speaker 3: ourselves into the relationship and make sure that it grew
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Speaker 3: with the strength that it needs to in a very
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Speaker 3: quick time.
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Speaker 1: So Peter Dutton there were saying all of the shadow
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Speaker 1: Coalition ministers who were at the event, the JCA event
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Speaker 1: to raise money for the Jewish community, including to provide
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Speaker 1: security for Jewish schools. Now. He mentioned there Sarah Henderson,
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Speaker 1: Holly Hughes and others Julie and Lisa Dave Sharma who
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Speaker 1: were all there to support the JCA at a state level.
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Speaker 1: Kelly Sloane was also there.
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine?
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Speaker 1: Can you even think of four or five or six
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Speaker 1: members of the Albanese labor government who would turn up
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Speaker 1: to a Jewish fundraiser nothing about Israel, a Jewish fundraiser
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Speaker 1: to help raise money for Jewish security. I couldn't name
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Speaker 1: five myself. I would love to be proved wrong.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 1: Last night, some of Peter Dutton's most cutting remarks were
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Speaker 1: reserved for the Prime Minister himself. After viewing comments that
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Speaker 1: Anthony Alberzi has made in the Parliament over the years
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Speaker 1: on Israel, Peter Dutton accused him of taking an anti
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Speaker 1: Israel stance throughout his career for political purposes, and Peter
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Speaker 1: Dutton was brutal.
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Speaker 3: Our assumption has been show as you pointed out before,
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Speaker 3: that this is all about Penny Wong's influence and that
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Speaker 3: Anthony Alberanze has taken direction is subservient to in the conversations,
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Speaker 3: Penny Wong's views. But it's obvious that Anthony Albernezi either
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Speaker 3: had a heavy influence at university or and more likely
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Speaker 3: in my judgment, he's very early on in his parliamentary career.
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Speaker 4: Decided that to hold his seat of Graindler, he needs
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Speaker 4: to have this particular view.
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Speaker 3: And in my mind, I say to school kids, as
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Speaker 3: we go around to speak to the school children in our.
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Speaker 4: Electorates, they are good and bad on both sides of politics.
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Speaker 3: But people who sell out their values, their beliefs, or
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Speaker 3: indeed their country for cheap political gain, I think of
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Speaker 3: the worst people in our business.
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Speaker 1: Now. Also tonight, Albanezi exposed why he couldn't call out
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Speaker 1: the Upper House protest because as an MP, he yelled
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Speaker 1: into a megaphone at a protest where flags were burned
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Speaker 1: during the second into FATA. I'll show you this vision
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Speaker 1: of the PM tonight. Also, Labor accused of lying over
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Speaker 1: its use of drones to keep detainees in check. The
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Speaker 1: protection racket over Andrew Giles reaches its peak, and you
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Speaker 1: won't believe how much Bill Shotten's news speechwriter is being paid. First, now,
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Speaker 1: let's take this to tonight's panel Sky News host Liz
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Speaker 1: Storer and Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you.
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Speaker 1: Hello now, Liz, you were there at this event last
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Speaker 1: night where I interviewed Peter Dutton. What did you think
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Speaker 1: were some of his strongest remarks, because in my view
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Speaker 1: that interview was extraordinary. He didn't hold back, is not
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Speaker 1: afraid to criticize the ABC, the university chancellors. You know
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Speaker 1: that it's the opposite of the weakness that we've seen
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Speaker 1: from the Prime minister.
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Speaker 9: He was very emphatic and by the way, congratulations on
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Speaker 9: a real brilliant event.
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Speaker 2: It was a packed our.
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Speaker 9: The only struggle was you guys getting a word in
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Speaker 9: edgeways over.
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Speaker 2: The constant applause.
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Speaker 9: But this was so there wasn't a single week statement
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Speaker 9: out of Dutton. He is emphatic and this is the
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Speaker 9: kind of leadership the people are craving because we are
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Speaker 9: simply not seeing it from the Albanese government. There's not
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Speaker 9: a single minister that you can roll out that people say.
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Speaker 9: They are comprehensive, they are strong, they are full of conviction.
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Speaker 2: We're just not seeing that.
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Speaker 9: So Dunton stepping into the breach and the interview that
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Speaker 9: he gave last night, on every single topic, particularly when
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Speaker 9: he was talking about the fact that, as a former
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Speaker 9: police officer himself, he believes the current police are being
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Speaker 9: gagged as it were, they're having their hands tied behind
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Speaker 9: their backs because we everyday people watching these protests, particularly
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Speaker 9: what happened on October the ninth on the steps of
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Speaker 9: the Opera House, just wringing our hands, going how can
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Speaker 9: this possibly happen? We do have laws, we do have
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Speaker 9: law enforcement. This mob is about to blow and in
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Speaker 9: fact the New South Wales Police are very lucky that
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Speaker 9: it didn't because we were seeing animalistic behavior on display.
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Speaker 9: Flags were being burnt, the chance are not to be repeated,
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Speaker 9: and yet no order to send in the stored and
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Speaker 9: troopers and cut this thing off at its inception, and
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Speaker 9: him explaining that as a former police officer saying there
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Speaker 9: is no doubt in my mind, he said that these
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Speaker 9: orders to stand down and just don't do anything when
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Speaker 9: we're seeing scenes like that, that is terrifying for everyone
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Speaker 9: to know.
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Speaker 2: Joe, what do you think I mean?
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Speaker 1: This is you know, Dutton's really emerging from Michelle and
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Speaker 1: he's coming swinging.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, no, that's very much you know, that's very much
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Speaker 10: his thing. Obviously, he's renowned as a sort of tough
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Speaker 10: guy politician and him very much personally. I think a
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Speaker 10: lot of the certainly that the protests at the Opera
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Speaker 10: House were an embarrassment to the police force and rather
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Speaker 10: the leadership. You know, the police Minister obviously and the
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Speaker 10: police force were blindsided by it and escalated much faster
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Speaker 10: than they were able to respond to it. They should
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Speaker 10: have been much tougher, and I think that's very very clear,
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Speaker 10: and I think there you had very very clear examples
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Speaker 10: of hate speech which could and should have been acted on,
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Speaker 10: and in many ways that failure did give I think,
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Speaker 10: some license to the future protests that we saw. But
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Speaker 10: the Premier Christmians, to his credit, has admitted that was
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Speaker 10: a mistake. He has been very much absolutely that's right,
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Speaker 10: and so's.
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Speaker 1: Dozens comments so on on the ABC because that's not
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Speaker 1: going to win in friends on the left side.
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Speaker 10: No, but he doesn't happen here and they beat him
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Speaker 10: up anyway, so he's got nothing to lose there, and
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Speaker 10: again he's got nothing to lose by being very very
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Speaker 10: tough on this issue, and you know, good on him
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Speaker 10: for being so. The abs I couldn't help but notice
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Speaker 10: in the very long, fourteen hundred word essay that Laura
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Speaker 10: Tingle wrote in to justify her statement that Australia was
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Speaker 10: a racist country. That one of the examples she cited
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Speaker 10: as proof of this, almost in an oblique way, was
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Speaker 10: The Australian's coverage of the anti Semitism in the community.
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Speaker 10: And I thought, well, if you're so outrageous about that,
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Speaker 10: why hasn't the ABC done a documentary on it, or
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Speaker 10: rather why didn't you raise anti semitism as an example
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Speaker 10: of egregious Australian racism at the Sydney Writers Festival. I
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Speaker 10: think we know why, because she would have been held down.
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Speaker 10: And again I think that just goes to sort of
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Speaker 10: point to the double said. To be honest, I thought
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Speaker 10: that was quite a sort of galling comment given that
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Speaker 10: given the purposes you're speaking to, and in terms of
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Speaker 10: the university campuses, I think that is a bit of
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Speaker 10: a different scene. I can absolutely promise you that certainly
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Speaker 10: the Sydney University Vice Chancellor Mark Scott and his team
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Speaker 10: they do not want the protests, that they do not
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Speaker 10: like it one little bit. Their concern is under what
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Speaker 10: particular auspice do they move mine generally speaking, State police
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Speaker 10: do not patrol university campuses, so how do you get
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Speaker 10: rid of them?
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Speaker 1: Sure, many lawyers could help them find a way, but
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Speaker 1: let's move on now. Billionaire James Packer has weighed into
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Speaker 1: the crisis in golfing the Nine network, telling the Australian
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Speaker 1: newspapers James Madden that the chair Peter Costello and I
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Speaker 1: quote hasn't been good for shareholders. I think being chairman
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Speaker 1: of nine is all he has left and he will
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Speaker 1: try and keep the job for as long as he can.
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Speaker 1: Liz Packer's intervention is fascinating in this debate because there
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Speaker 1: haven't been too many people who are actually prepared to
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Speaker 1: publicly criticize Costello, even though they are very critical in private.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: Well there's no love loss between those two at this point,
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Speaker 9: as most people would know. But his reference to shareholders
22:44
Speaker 9: obviously is quite practical. I mean it has dropped nine
22:48
Speaker 9: cents since Costello took the chair back into twenty sixteen.
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Speaker 2: Friday saw them with the.
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Speaker 9: Lowest price for their shares that then had seen in
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Speaker 9: four years, So that was more of a practical point out.
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Speaker 9: But you're quite right in saying he didn't even need
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Speaker 9: to say anything, really but he couldn't pass up the
23:09
Speaker 9: opportunity to have a well deserved dig.
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Speaker 1: And now let's turn to form a Treasurer Josh Fridenberg.
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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of speculation about whether he would
23:18
Speaker 1: run again for his old seat of Kuyong at the
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Speaker 1: next election after redistribution on Friday took in the majority
23:27
Speaker 1: of the old seat of Higgins. But today Josh Fridenberg
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Speaker 1: cold water on this. He posted on x or Twitter
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Speaker 1: that I am not rushing back to politics. My position
23:37
Speaker 1: on contesting the next election remains unchanged. I will continue
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Speaker 1: to support the Liberal Party and our local candidate Amelia Hammer. Now, Joe, Look,
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Speaker 1: Josh has made the decision here that he wants to
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Speaker 1: continue to spend time with his family. Is enjoying spending
23:55
Speaker 1: a lot of time with his kids being a footy coach.
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Speaker 1: But what really bothered me is that, you know, the
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Speaker 1: second there might have been a suggestion that he was
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Speaker 1: going to come back, there.
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Speaker 2: Was this outBut of anger from women's.
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Speaker 1: Groups that how dare the former treasure the tuplis politician
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Speaker 1: in the country want to come back to politics in
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Speaker 1: a winnable sit oh, because it might mean that a
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Speaker 1: woman doesn't have her job.
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Speaker 10: Come on, well, I think I suppose this is where
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Speaker 10: you get sort of identity politics reaches peak stupidity. And yes,
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Speaker 10: I thought Josh Fredenberg. Obviously I'm more inclined towards the
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Speaker 10: labor side, but I'm friends with Josh. I think he's
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Speaker 10: an outstanding parliamentary and I think we've been asset to
24:31
Speaker 10: any parliament and any party. My understanding is exactly the
24:34
Speaker 10: same as yours. That he feels that it would be
24:37
Speaker 10: unfair to his family having just you know, having them
24:40
Speaker 10: just got him back from politics to then so quickly
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Speaker 10: re enter the fray, and that he has no intention
24:45
Speaker 10: of going at this election. I may be proven wrong,
24:47
Speaker 10: but that's certainly what I've what I've heard, and I
24:50
Speaker 10: think in terms of the optics, you know, he's probably right.
24:53
Speaker 10: I think the fact that you know the fact that
24:55
Speaker 10: you've got you going up against a Teal candidate, which is,
24:57
Speaker 10: you know, the Teals is an entire movement built entirely
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Speaker 10: on virtue signaling, built entirely on literally a sort of
25:04
Speaker 10: you know, a template, a cookie cutter template of a
25:06
Speaker 10: you know, a white middle class, upper middle class woman,
25:10
Speaker 10: you know, and that we know that they've gone around
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Speaker 10: selecting candidates on that basis.
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Speaker 4: I think you only have to.
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Speaker 10: Look at them, and so it's an incredibly superficial movement.
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Speaker 10: It is all about the optics. And I think the
25:20
Speaker 10: Liberal Party hard heads are probably right when they say
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Speaker 10: the objects of removing a young.
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Speaker 2: Woman, I think old man this is.
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Speaker 4: There have been some of them.
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Speaker 1: There have been like Charlotte Mot like, who's not a
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Speaker 1: scene have been that he's saying, you know, might move
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Speaker 1: aside any woman, even if it's for the former treasure
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Speaker 1: and that's just.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely it's objectively silly. But it would look it would
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Speaker 10: look bad, is the problem. Would not be bad, but
25:44
Speaker 10: but it would be used against It would be used.
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Speaker 1: Against them, would look bad if the party didn't want
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Speaker 1: one of the most senior politicians they've ever had, As
25:52
Speaker 1: Phil Corey wrote in the Finn Review, if Peter Dutton
25:56
Speaker 1: stepped down for whatever reason, there would be no obvious
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Speaker 1: successor there is no second alternative leader, according to Phil
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Speaker 1: Coury in the fin Review. At the moment anyway, unfortunately
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Speaker 1: Josh is not coming back. The country needs more strong,
26:14
Speaker 1: talented politicians.
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Speaker 2: The country needs.
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Speaker 1: Josh riding back. You're here all right, Listoro Joe Hildebrand.
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Speaker 1: Thank you both very much, if you're fine. Now, coming up,
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Speaker 1: we're going to get to why Bill Shorten's speechwriter is
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Speaker 1: being paid six hundred.
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Speaker 2: Thousand dollars plus.
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Speaker 1: This is the reason Albanizi has been unable to call
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Speaker 1: out the protesters. He was at a protest reportedly where
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Speaker 1: flags were burned during.
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Speaker 2: The Second into Fata.
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Speaker 1: That explosive story after the break, welcome back. Well. Last
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Speaker 1: year we revealed a clip I'm about to show you
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Speaker 1: of Anthony Albanesi in his younger years, passionately condemning what
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Speaker 1: he could Israel's occupation of Palestine. Now, as you can see,
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Speaker 1: he yells into a microphone at a pro Palestinian protest.
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Speaker 5: Have a look, Israel has trulent children hing weshts as.
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Speaker 1: Now. According to far left new site Criikee, the clip
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Speaker 1: that we broadcast was of Albanisi at a pro Palestinian
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Speaker 1: protest during the Second into Fada in October two thousand
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Speaker 1: and Anthony Alberizi was not a student but already a politician. Now. Criikee,
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Speaker 1: coming at this issue from a completely different perspective to us.
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Speaker 1: On Sky News ran a report on Saturday that Albanesi
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Speaker 1: attended that protest outside the US consulate and that both
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Speaker 1: American and Israeli flags were burned. They reported, and I
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Speaker 1: quote at Martin Place, where the US Consulate was located
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Speaker 1: at the time, a group of some twenty men broke
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Speaker 1: from a twenty five hundred strong crowd of protesters and
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Speaker 1: tried to storm the building. News agency AFP reported sections
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Speaker 1: of the crowd chanted slogans calling for a pan Arab
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Speaker 1: g had or holy war to push the Israelis out
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Speaker 1: of disputed lands. Despite appeals from their leaders for KHM,
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Speaker 1: a group of about fifty protesters set fire to Israeli
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Speaker 1: and US flags. The story added chance of free, free
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Speaker 1: Palestine and God Is Great drowned out several speakers, including
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Speaker 1: an Australian member of Parliament, and they say that was Albanisi.
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Speaker 1: This is quite explosive because it explains why Albinizi has
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Speaker 1: been so reluctant to unequivocally condemn the aggressive protests we've seen.
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Speaker 1: It explains why he didn't I'm out swinging in defense
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Speaker 1: of the Jewish community after the Opera House protests on
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Speaker 1: October nine, when, as you know, the mob chanted where's
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Speaker 1: the Jews and worse and burned flags, while police told
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Speaker 1: Jews to stay at home and Jews were meant to
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Speaker 1: be attending a vigil for the terror attacks at the
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Speaker 1: opera house that very night with the sales lit blue
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Speaker 1: and white. And now we learn that Albanizi, as an MP,
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Speaker 1: not a student, was at a protest during the Second
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Speaker 1: into Fada where God Is Great was chanted and flags
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Speaker 1: were burned. I've played this clip many times, but now
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Speaker 1: Kriche has tracked down the protest where Albanizi said it
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Speaker 1: have a look again Truman children rowing wes Archy reports
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Speaker 1: that he attended more protests in the next few weeks.
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Speaker 1: This is massive the Second Interfada where there were suicide
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Speaker 1: bombings in Israel and serious threats to Jewish institutions in Australia,
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Speaker 1: and Albanisi was among the anti Israel protesters. He was
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Speaker 1: an MP at the time and made similar remarks in parliament.
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Speaker 6: Palestinians must be given their homeland. The occupation of Gaza,
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Speaker 6: the West Bank and East Jerusalem by the Israelis has
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Speaker 6: created generations of oppressed people. While many Israelis continued to
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Speaker 6: demonize all Palestinians as terrorists, Palestinians experience is rallies as
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Speaker 6: occupiers and employers of chief chief labor, interrogators and jailers. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 6: the government of Israel continues to allow fundamentalists to build
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Speaker 6: illegal settlements on Palestinian land.
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Speaker 1: Let's bring in now Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson. James,
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Speaker 1: I think this revelation is extremely significant.
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Speaker 2: What do you think?
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Speaker 7: I completely agree with you, Shari.
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Speaker 11: Most Australians probably assumed that the Prime minister's response, inadequate
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Speaker 11: response since the seventh October of rising anti sementis amount
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Speaker 11: of country was just due to the fact that he's
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Speaker 11: a weak prime minister.
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Speaker 7: But actually, I think what.
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Speaker 11: You've demonstrated is that deep down he has hatred for Israel,
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Speaker 11: a deep seated hatred which goes back decades, and what
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Speaker 11: we're seeing here is that secret hatred bubbling to the
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Speaker 11: surface and manifesting in his policies today. I think he's
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Speaker 11: the most anti Israel prime minister we have ever had
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Speaker 11: in this country, at leastens to the establishment of the State
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Speaker 11: of Israel in nineteen forty eight, and no wonder he
31:38
Speaker 11: has failed to rally to the Jewish community in its
31:40
Speaker 11: hour and need no wonder he's abandoned Israel at international
31:43
Speaker 11: forums and in public debate, and no wonder so many
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Speaker 11: Jewish Australians feel so abandoned at this critical time.
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Speaker 1: Do you think this explains why he couldn't strongly and
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Speaker 1: unequivocally condemn the Opera House and other similar aggressive and
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Speaker 1: violent protests because he was at a similar protest whereas
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Speaker 1: were burned.
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Speaker 11: Anthony Abernese's whole history as a politician is to appeal
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Speaker 11: to extremists like the people you've seen at those rallies.
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Speaker 11: He has been to those rallies, He's addressed those rallies.
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Speaker 11: His policies and rhetoric seeks to appease the people who
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Speaker 11: go to those rallies, and I think he deep down
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Speaker 11: has a lot of sympathy with their perspective. Let's remember
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Speaker 11: that in recent times, In fact, in just the last
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Speaker 11: Parliament when he was in opposition, he went all the
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Speaker 11: way to the United Kingdom to spend time with Jeremy
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Speaker 11: Corbyn and posted selfies with him on social media. In
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Speaker 11: the middle of the UK Labor Party's unprecedented anti semitism crisis,
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Speaker 11: Kirs Darma is trying to clean up the anti semitism
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Speaker 11: of the Genery Corbyn era and expel those people from
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Speaker 11: the modern Labour Party in the UK, including Jeremy Corbyn.
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Speaker 11: But Anthony Obernese thought it was a good idea to
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Speaker 11: post smiling selfies with him. I mean, I think this
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Speaker 11: really does show that extreme ante Israel hadred that lies
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Speaker 11: underneath the surface of those policies.
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Speaker 1: Okay, We're going to continue to cover this and investigate
32:57
Speaker 1: Albanese's past stories. I first reported the lead up to
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Speaker 1: the last election. Now Andrew Giles has claimed that drones
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Speaker 1: were being used to track down released immigration detainees.
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Speaker 2: He has now come out today.
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Speaker 1: Conceding that actually this isn't true. James Patterson, the fact
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Speaker 1: that the Prime Minister continues to protect his Immigration minister
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Speaker 1: despite so many failures that would have cost anyone else
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Speaker 1: their job really questions what is going on here? Why
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister is refusing to take leadership and move
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Speaker 1: him out of this portfolio.
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Speaker 11: Charrey, things have got so bad here in Canberra that
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Speaker 11: we have a Minister for Immigration who is publicly hallucinating
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Speaker 11: about an imaginary, secret grown surveillance program which his department
33:47
Speaker 11: has never been running, as a justification and a defense
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Speaker 11: for his failure to ensure that the law is enforced
33:53
Speaker 11: and that all the release detainees are wearing ankle bloses.
33:56
Speaker 11: What prompted him to make this admission to Kieran Gilbert
34:00
Speaker 11: was the fact that at least two of the former
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Speaker 11: murderers and twenty six of the former sex offenders are
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Speaker 11: free in the community without ankle bracelets, despite him promising otherwise.
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Speaker 11: And all he could come up is, oh, we're secretly
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Speaker 11: monitoring them with drones, which turns out not to be
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Speaker 11: the case at all. Now, this is a pretty shocking
34:15
Speaker 11: attempt to mislead the Australian people. He said this on Thursday,
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Speaker 11: his office repeated it to journalists on Friday, Saturday and Sunday,
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Speaker 11: and the Minister for Agriculture Murray what was on Insiders
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Speaker 11: on Sunday, still maintaining that drones had been used in
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Speaker 11: some capacity, and fifteen minutes before question time today they
34:32
Speaker 11: had to reluctantly admit that Andrew Giles had just imagined
34:35
Speaker 11: this all in a feverish dream.
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Speaker 1: Look, it's quite the scandal. I'm going to come back
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Speaker 1: to this drone issue later in the show when I
34:42
Speaker 1: bring in my political panel. James Patterson, thank you very
34:45
Speaker 1: much for joining me now. Treasury Secretary Stephen Kennedy has
34:49
Speaker 1: painted a grim economic warning during Senate estimates this morning.
34:53
Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 12: The contribution of household consumption to economic growth was the
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Speaker 12: weakest it has been in the past decade outside of
35:01
Speaker 12: the pandemic. The run of recent week retail trade data
35:05
Speaker 12: suggests consumption is expected to remain subdued into the first
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Speaker 12: half of this calendar year as households continue to prioritize
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Speaker 12: essential spending. More broadly, we expect activity to be very
35:18
Speaker 12: weak in the March quarter.
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Speaker 1: GDP all right, let's bring it now Macro Business Chief
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Speaker 1: Economist Leith van Nonstein. Leith, thank you again for your time. Look,
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Speaker 1: this was a very grim outlet outlook from the Treasury Secretary.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it was.
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Speaker 13: And what to show Cherry is that the Reserve Bank
35:35
Speaker 13: of Australia is basically caught in a bind as it
35:37
Speaker 13: tries to balanced stubborn inflation with the deteriorating economy. So
35:42
Speaker 13: we obviously know that last week's April CPI indicator was
35:46
Speaker 13: too high, which would have irritated the Reserve Bank. At
35:48
Speaker 13: the same time I got the consumer economy collapsing. So
35:51
Speaker 13: last week we saw the softest and your retail sales
35:53
Speaker 13: growth in more than three decades outside of the pandemic,
35:56
Speaker 13: despite the strongest population growth in around seventy years. And
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Speaker 13: this week we're likely to see the QE National Accounts
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Speaker 13: record the lowest annual GDP growth outside of the pandemic
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Speaker 13: since the early nineties recession, despite seventy year high population growth.
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Speaker 13: So the reality is that the per capita economy is
36:14
Speaker 13: collapsing Sherry driven by the household sector. Households has been
36:18
Speaker 13: smashed by falling consumption that's been in rising unemployment, etc.
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Speaker 13: And what this tells you is that interest rates are
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Speaker 13: going to remain on hold for the foreseeable future.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like a great cut that many were
36:31
Speaker 1: expecting later this year is diminishing. Now. Two point six
36:35
Speaker 1: million Australians are set for a pay rise in July
36:38
Speaker 1: this after the Fair Work Commission lifted the minimum award
36:41
Speaker 1: wages by three point seventy five percent. Now this is
36:45
Speaker 1: currently leith higher than inflation.
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Speaker 2: Are you concerned?
36:49
Speaker 1: You know that these wage rises they are needed, but
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Speaker 1: are you concerned they will push inflation up further?
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Speaker 6: Yeah?
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Speaker 13: Look, the short answer that is no, not at that level.
36:59
Speaker 13: I think the Fairwere Commission decision was actually sensible and
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Speaker 13: pretty measured. Look, the three point seventy five percent rise
37:05
Speaker 13: in the minimum ward wages was obviously well below last
37:08
Speaker 13: years which is five point seventy five percent, and I think,
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Speaker 13: if anything, it should be neutral to potentially disinflationy.
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Speaker 4: And it's worth pointing out.
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Speaker 13: The Westpact today lower at its forecast for wage growth
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Speaker 13: to just three percent by the end of this year
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Speaker 13: based on the Fairwork Commission's decision, and what's going to
37:24
Speaker 13: bear in mind that obviously the labor market's weaking. We've
37:26
Speaker 13: got the unemployment, underemployment rates arising, labor supply three, immigrations
37:30
Speaker 13: growing much faster than jobson be created, and as a result, wage.
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Speaker 4: Growth is going to fall through the year.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, all right, Leith Vanonsen, thank you very much for
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Speaker 1: your time tonight. Now coming up, another major bungle from
37:43
Speaker 1: the immigration minister. Plus why is Bill short and paying
37:46
Speaker 1: his speech writerer six hundred thousand dollars? My political panel
37:51
Speaker 1: will join me next. Welcome back well. Immigration Minister Andrew
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Speaker 1: ja Was last week said that detainees were being tracked.
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Speaker 6: By drones and that's enabled things like using drones to
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Speaker 6: keep track of those people.
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Speaker 1: Then his colleague, Labor Senator Murray Watt backed.
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Speaker 14: This in My understanding is that drones are being used
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Speaker 14: as part of this operation, but more in the sense
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Speaker 14: of monitoring the accommodation that people are living in in
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Speaker 14: for example, ensuring that it's not too close to schools
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Speaker 14: or other areas that they're not supposed to be living
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Speaker 14: close to. So drones do form part.
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Speaker 7: Of the operation.
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Speaker 1: But then today in Parliament the Immigration Minister conceded that
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Speaker 1: actually drones aren't being used to monitor detainees.
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Speaker 13: I relied on information provided by my department at the time,
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Speaker 13: which has since order, which has since.
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Speaker 7: Been clur.
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Speaker 1: Always the department's fault when it comes to Andrew Giles. Well,
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Speaker 1: let's bring in now tonight's political panel, former Press Secretary
38:58
Speaker 1: to Prime Minister Scott Morrison and current director at Headline
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Speaker 1: Advisory Andrew Carswell and Labor MP Daniel Melino.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 1: Daniel, What was the story here? How can the minister
39:10
Speaker 1: keep blaming the department for these mistakes?
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Speaker 7: Well, hi Shari, and hi Andrew.
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Speaker 15: Look, I think this is a case of the minister
39:21
Speaker 15: receiving advice and then giving answers in Parliament and in
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Speaker 15: media interviews based on that advice, and then it being
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Speaker 15: clarified later. I really don't see that there's a lot
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Speaker 15: to this one, and as soon as he found out
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Speaker 15: he clarified both in the media and in the Parliament,
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Speaker 15: and for me in the Chamber, both being someone who
39:43
Speaker 15: participated in an MPI late last week and also somebody
39:47
Speaker 15: who's seen the debate play out more broadly, what really
39:50
Speaker 15: is evolving here is that its Minister Darton in the
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Speaker 15: previous government who released almost ten times as many criminals
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Speaker 15: and people who had conviction as the current minister, and
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Speaker 15: they didn't have any kind of monitoring. So that to
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Speaker 15: me is framing the debate in a way which the
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Speaker 15: Opposition is actually finding quite uncomfortable.
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Speaker 7: In the Chamber, well, I think.
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Speaker 1: This is about community safety. And Andrew Giles has said
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Speaker 1: you don't need to worry the detainees are being monitored,
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Speaker 1: including with drones, and then we learn that's.
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Speaker 2: Actually not the case.
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Speaker 1: But Andrew Carswall, do you want to respond to this
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Speaker 1: point from Daniel Molino that under the coalition government which
40:27
Speaker 1: you were part of as a media advisor, you released
40:30
Speaker 1: more detainees.
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Speaker 16: Well, it's fanciful and it's completely different circumstances. I mean this, like,
40:39
Speaker 16: you know, we thought he was at rock bottom last week.
40:43
Speaker 16: He just got out the jackhammer and found a few
40:45
Speaker 16: more levels underneath his feet. I mean, this is a
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Speaker 16: rolling circus now, and it's a rolling circus that is
40:51
Speaker 16: completely bewildering the Australian public. Six months ago they started
40:55
Speaker 16: hearing these stories, they started hearing that the horrific stories
40:58
Speaker 16: of crimes that were taking place as a result of
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Speaker 16: these actions. They six months of stories of bungling up
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Speaker 16: to bungling episodes from an immigration minister that is clearly
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Speaker 16: out of his depths, and then they look on their TV,
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Speaker 16: even as late as this week and think.
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Speaker 4: Well, why is he still there?
41:15
Speaker 16: Well, he's there because he's Albanese's mate, and Anthony Aberze
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Speaker 16: he has chosen to protect his mate and not protect
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Speaker 16: the Australian public.
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Speaker 7: And that's not.
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Speaker 4: Hyperbly at all. You've got to look at the numbers here.
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Speaker 16: It's one hundred and fifty three detainees that were let
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Speaker 16: go by this government because of its policies. Half of
41:34
Speaker 16: those had ankle monitoring on their bodies and half didn't.
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Speaker 16: Out of those that didn't that there's two murderers, twenty
41:44
Speaker 16: six sex offenders on the streets, no drones looking over them,
41:48
Speaker 16: no ankle bracelets on the street.
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Speaker 4: This man has to go.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem at this point like it's a
41:54
Speaker 1: complete protection racket for Andrew Giles. Well, let's move on
41:57
Speaker 1: now to Bill Shotten's new speech writer, who, and this
42:01
Speaker 1: was revealed in Senate estimates today, secured a government contract
42:05
Speaker 1: worth about three hundred thousand dollars a year and it
42:08
Speaker 1: runs for two years. Well, here is Bill Shorton on
42:11
Speaker 1: a current affair just a little earlier, trying to defend
42:15
Speaker 1: this expense.
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Speaker 17: I think that service, the hiring of a speechwriter was
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Speaker 17: done by Service Australia. I had no idea what the
42:24
Speaker 17: payment was, So if you're trying to link me to that,
42:27
Speaker 17: good luck. The point about it is the person involved,
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Speaker 17: who is the speechwriter, does a very good job. I'm
42:32
Speaker 17: not responsible for negotiating a contract, Daniel.
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Speaker 1: The Coalition has heavily criticized Bill Shorton over this. They
42:40
Speaker 1: say it's an extravagance, especially during a cost of living crisis.
42:44
Speaker 1: The Coalition says it amounts to about twenty two thousand
42:47
Speaker 1: dollars a speech.
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Speaker 2: What's your response.
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Speaker 7: We'll look.
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Speaker 15: Firstly, I think that there had been somebody in a
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Speaker 15: very senior role writing speeches and other roles.
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Speaker 7: It's not just the speeches. That this role under takes
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Speaker 7: for a.
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Speaker 15: Long time, and that person then left that role and
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Speaker 15: so it needed to be filled. That process of filling
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Speaker 15: that role was undertaken at complete arms length from the
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Speaker 15: minister in the minister's office. They had nothing to do
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Speaker 15: with selecting the person or setting the salary. The other
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Speaker 15: thing I'd say is my understanding is what's been clarified
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Speaker 15: today is that that figure of six hundred and twenty
43:21
Speaker 15: thousand dollars is like an outer envelope and doesn't reflect
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Speaker 15: the person's salary. My understanding of the person's salary, which
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Speaker 15: came out later in estimates, is that it's in the
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Speaker 15: mid two hundreds, which is.
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Speaker 7: A very good salary.
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Speaker 15: But what we're talking about is an SEES Banned one
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Speaker 15: or sees Ban two person undertaking just about the most
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Speaker 15: senior comms or external relations role in a huge department.
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Speaker 15: This is a very senior role in a major commonwealth
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Speaker 15: department or a corporate or a large not for profit.
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Speaker 15: It's not surprising that they've got somebody with a lot
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Speaker 15: of experience and expertise, So somebody in that sees banned
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Speaker 15: one or two position, It's not surprising to me that
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Speaker 15: that the kind of way they pitched that role.
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Speaker 1: Look, I just want to return to Peter Dutton Andrew Carswell,
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Speaker 1: you attended this event last night where I interviewed Peter
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Speaker 1: Dutton at length forty five minutes. One of the things
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Speaker 1: he spoke about was the pathway he saw to winning
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Speaker 1: the next election. He outlined the areas he could pick
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Speaker 1: up seats. He was also very strong on many topics
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Speaker 1: law enforcement, University Chancellor's activists at the ABC do you
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Speaker 1: think Dutton does have a pathway to become PM or
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Speaker 1: do you think the battle is just too big.
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Speaker 16: There's certainly a pathway, and there's always a pathway, and
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Speaker 16: particularly when you have a government that is on the
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Speaker 16: nose as the Abaneze government is.
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Speaker 7: But it is a difficult equation.
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Speaker 16: They effectively have to pick up nineteen seats, including the two,
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Speaker 16: sorry not including the two that the Crossban now have
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Speaker 16: taken away from them by those two going over to
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Speaker 16: the other side. So it is a difficult equation. A
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Speaker 16: first time. Hasn't lost government in this way since nineteen
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Speaker 16: thirty one, So the weight of history is against Dutton.
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Speaker 16: But he's doing an admirable job of holding this government
45:21
Speaker 16: to account. And I think he's surprising a lot of people.
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Speaker 16: He's surprising the people with his patients, he's surprising a
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Speaker 16: lot of people with the policies that he's putting forward.
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Speaker 16: And I think he'll give it a good shake.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Andrew Carswell, Daniel Malina, thank you so much.
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Speaker 1: Now after the break, Donald Trump vows to fight on
45:38
Speaker 1: after becoming the first convicted bomber president in history.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back Will.
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Speaker 1: In his first interview since he's guilty verdict, Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: told Fox that he did nothing wrong.
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Speaker 17: And then you had a jury that was from a
45:57
Speaker 17: certain persuasion would have been hired to do no matter what.
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Speaker 2: But I did absolutely nothing wrong. All Right.
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Speaker 1: Sky News contributor Kosher Gada joins me. Now, Kosher, what
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Speaker 1: did you think of Trump's interview today with Fox News?
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Speaker 8: I think it was expected, Shari. Where He's going to
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Speaker 8: stick with what the premise has been from his side
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Speaker 8: and his team on this, which is that the entire
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Speaker 8: case from the beginning to end is really politically driven
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Speaker 8: as opposed to justice driven, and he was just hitting
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Speaker 8: those points in that interview. And it's really all about
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Speaker 8: now that, now that the conviction came out, which everybody
46:35
Speaker 8: expected would be the case, it's now all about the
46:37
Speaker 8: political aspect and fallout of that, and how much can
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Speaker 8: the messaging be used to his advantage or the disadvantage
46:44
Speaker 8: of it be squashed with certain sectors of the electorate.
46:46
Speaker 8: And I would expect to see a lot more media
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Speaker 8: and rallies and things of that nature tying into this
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Speaker 8: from here to November.
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Speaker 1: Look, Trump says he's not scared of going to jail.
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Speaker 1: Sentencing will be on July eleventh, But is this a reality?
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Speaker 1: Is this a realistic prospect that he could actually be
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Speaker 1: in prison?
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Speaker 8: You know, it's a pretty scary thought. I think most
47:10
Speaker 8: conventional wisdom says that that is a bridge too far,
47:13
Speaker 8: even for this judge, even for the jurisdiction in which
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Speaker 8: he was tried, including those who believe the whole thing
47:19
Speaker 8: was unfair from start to finish, don't think that it
47:22
Speaker 8: would end up with that. But who knows. Anything is possible.
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Speaker 8: We've just seen so many things have happened in an
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Speaker 8: unprecedented way with Trump really since before he came into office,
47:31
Speaker 8: all the way up until now that I think we
47:34
Speaker 8: can't rule anything out. There are other versions of it
47:36
Speaker 8: where they could There could be a sentence and then
47:39
Speaker 8: they suspend it, so it sort of makes a statement.
47:41
Speaker 8: The judge could do what's called a suspended sentence where
47:43
Speaker 8: he's making a statement symbolically leading up to the election,
47:46
Speaker 8: but he wouldn't actually follow through with it. There could
47:49
Speaker 8: be other things where he does sentence him to a
47:51
Speaker 8: short time in prison, but then it would immediately go
47:53
Speaker 8: up to appeal and one of the higher courts would
47:56
Speaker 8: stay that order expecting that the appeal process would take place.
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Speaker 8: So there's all sorts of versions of that that could
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Speaker 8: take place, and I think, really it's anybody's guess how
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Speaker 8: this is going to go.
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Speaker 1: Look, it's been widely reported that tens of millions of
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Speaker 1: dollars was pumped into Trump's campaign within hours, within.
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Speaker 2: Forty eight hours of the conviction.
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Speaker 1: So this does seem to have only energized support for him.
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Speaker 8: It really has. I think it was fifty four million
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Speaker 8: in twenty four hours, which the Trump campaign has always
48:23
Speaker 8: been behind on funding, and that was not insignificant, and
48:27
Speaker 8: it really is an indication of that support. And there's
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Speaker 8: also a polling that says something like seventy percent of
48:32
Speaker 8: Republicans already expected this to happen. They did not think
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Speaker 8: it was a fair trial that's baked into the cake,
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Speaker 8: and they want to stick with him. Same thing on
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Speaker 8: the other side of Democrats were actually energized as well.
48:43
Speaker 8: And then the thing that we don't know is how
48:44
Speaker 8: the independents are going to fall out on this issue,
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Speaker 8: and that's really what's going to be found out in
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Speaker 8: the weeks to come.
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Speaker 1: All Right, thank you so much, Kosha Gad and thank
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Speaker 1: you everyone for your company this evening. I see you
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Speaker 1: tomorrow at eight. And here's Paul Mari