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BEAUTY-QUEEN-CHEERLEADER'S BABY DEAD IN CLOSET, GRAND JURY SET: LAKEN SNELLING · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, beauty queen cheerleader Lake and
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Speaker 1: Snelling's chilling words as a baby in a trash bag
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Speaker 1: found dead in her closet. As we Go to Air,
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Speaker 1: a grand jury date is set in the case of
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Speaker 1: the former beauty queen accused of hiding a dead baby
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Speaker 1: her dead baby in the closet before going out for
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Speaker 1: fast food. I'm Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. I
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Speaker 1: want to thank you for being with us. That's right.
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Speaker 1: A grand jury date has been set in the case
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Speaker 1: of a former beauty queen, now charged with hiding a
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Speaker 1: dead baby boy, her dead baby boy in her own
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Speaker 1: closet before going out for fast food. Also, as we
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Speaker 1: Go to Air, medical records have been subpoened in the
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Speaker 1: Lake and Snelling case, prosecutors requesting medical records that could
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Speaker 1: be related to the case of the University of Kentucky
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Speaker 1: Medical Center. According to new court records, a slipena was
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Speaker 1: delivered to the UK Medical Center requesting all records on
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Speaker 1: Snelling created since August twenty twenty four to January twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six. Hmmm, prosecutors will look at those records and
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Speaker 1: find out every single person Lincoln Snelling spoke to, what
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Speaker 1: she said, what tests she received, everything that happened on
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Speaker 1: that visit. This as a grand jury looms in the
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Speaker 1: case of the beauty Queen.
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Speaker 2: Lake and Snelling's case is on its way to a
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Speaker 2: grand jury. The anonymous panel is expected to hear evidence
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Speaker 2: in late January. Since Snelling waived her right to a
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Speaker 2: preliminary hearing during his September twenty sixth court appearance, the
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Speaker 2: grand jury will likely be asked to indight Snelling on
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Speaker 2: three recharges she initially pleaded not guilty to you. There's
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Speaker 2: the possibility also of account of murder or manslaughter, depending
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Speaker 2: on the newborn's autopsy results.
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Speaker 1: If another person, an adult was found dead wrapped in
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Speaker 1: a blanket, body in a trash bag hidden away, the
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Speaker 1: alleged purp would not be walking free right now with
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Speaker 1: a bedazzled ankle monitor. But that is what has just happened.
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Speaker 1: But let's start at the beginning. Listen to this.
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Speaker 3: Good Riversity Joseph County. I am leading Shine University in
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Speaker 3: Kentucky and she's twenty years of age. Her materiam just
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Speaker 3: sounding the horse.
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Speaker 4: While also adelete one athlete on the stunt team at
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Speaker 4: a university of one hundred plus community service hours in
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Speaker 4: the past year, honors beating around the Jefferson County. There's
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Speaker 4: student there and BEUNI to represent her house.
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Speaker 1: That is from the Jefferson County Fairest of the Fair,
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Speaker 1: beauty paget that she won. But can we get to
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Speaker 1: right now? And what leads up to the discovery of
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Speaker 1: a dead infant baby boy in her closet?
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Speaker 2: Listen Lincoln Snelling is entering her senior year on the
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Speaker 2: cheer stunt team at the University of Kentucky. Snelling grew
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Speaker 2: up in the small town of White Pine, Tennessee, where
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Speaker 2: she was a Jefferson County High School for City cheerleader
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Speaker 2: and crowned Jefferson County's Fairest of the Fair. Snelling is
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Speaker 2: a self proclaimed real life Barbie with an all pink apartment,
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Speaker 2: Barbie jeep, and fabulous clothes and paget gowns to match.
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Speaker 2: Snelling has an entire Instagram profile dedicated to selling her
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Speaker 2: old wardrobe. Snelling reveals that she is dating another student
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Speaker 2: athlete with an impressive basketball career. Snelling brings her bow
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Speaker 2: home for Easter and over this summer post professional photos
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Speaker 2: with him.
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Speaker 1: Why do I care about the boyfriend. I'm trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out who is the biological father of this dead infant.
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Speaker 1: And I'm completely intrigued curious about why so many dead
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Speaker 1: babies are first wrapped in a blanket, a baby blanket
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Speaker 1: very often, remember top mom Casey Anthony wrapped, according to
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Speaker 1: the state, baby Kelly in her favorite blanket before putting
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Speaker 1: her in a trash bag and throwing into a trashy,
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Speaker 1: litter ridden swamp area about ten houses down from the
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Speaker 1: Anthony home. Gee, I wonder who did that? And I
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Speaker 1: see it over and over and over. The infant is
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Speaker 1: wrapped in a baby blanket and left to die or
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Speaker 1: killed and put in a trash bag. There's gotten to
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Speaker 1: be some sort of psychopathy to that. But you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm also very curious. Straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: joining US high profile psycho analyst, author of deal Breaker
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Speaker 1: on Amazon. You can see her now on peacock and
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Speaker 1: find her a doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 1: I'm also intrigued, what does it mean, if anything, that
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Speaker 1: you are a self proclaimed real life Barbie. I'm talking
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Speaker 1: about the Barbie.
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Speaker 5: Doll, this woman's life, this young woman's life is wrapped
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Speaker 5: in fantasy, not reality. The fantasy of having a baby
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Speaker 5: seems a lot more compelling to her than the reality
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Speaker 5: of a baby. The fantasy of being Barbie is a
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Speaker 5: lot more compelling to her than the reality of who
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Speaker 5: she is as a mother and in the world.
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Speaker 1: Okay, doctor Bethany, you got me drinking from the fire
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Speaker 1: hids right here. You gave me so much I've got
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Speaker 1: to parse it. Number one, Can we stick with Barbie?
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Speaker 1: You said I was writing as fast as I could.
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Speaker 1: The fantasy of being Barbie to her was being better,
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Speaker 1: was better than being leg and Snellings. Okay, now, wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, what was it mean to be Barbie? It's
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Speaker 1: a plastic doll with fake breasts. Why do you want
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Speaker 1: to be that?
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Speaker 5: Because Barbie is beautiful, Barbie is desirable, Barbie is sexually
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Speaker 5: attractive in the world, and the idea that she would
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Speaker 5: be that person, it's like she's wrapping herself in an image,
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Speaker 5: an external image, rather than really focusing on who she is.
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Speaker 5: Does she attend to trust?
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Speaker 1: But bah bah bah wait wait wait where can I
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Speaker 1: see that video again of her in the Foe? I
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Speaker 1: guess that's no the foe that that that was. That's
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Speaker 1: the very similar to a Barbie outfit my sister had.
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Speaker 1: That's right, Okay, I was trying to dissect the Barbie dolls,
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Speaker 1: and I dissected all well, dismembered all of my sister's
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Speaker 1: Barbie dolls. That was a dark day, that said, I
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Speaker 1: remember that outfit. Barbie had an outfit like that with
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Speaker 1: you know, faux leverage spots. Okay, just wanted to point
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Speaker 1: that out. Dr Bethy. I don't know what your Barbie
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Speaker 1: lore is, but I distinctly recall an outfit like that
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Speaker 1: with the matching stilettoes. And this is when I was
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Speaker 1: a little girl. The stilettos were in then as well,
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Speaker 1: at least for Barbie. Now, I'm sorry. Back to who
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Speaker 1: wants to be Barbie?
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Speaker 5: Who wants to be Barbie as somebody who's more living
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Speaker 5: in fantasy than reality. Hey, Nancy, that sound you just played.
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Speaker 5: The inside of her apartment was pink. She lived in
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Speaker 5: a Barbie place. This is a woman who lives in
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Speaker 5: a fantasy world, not a reality world.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 5: Barbie is just that it's adult. It's not a real person.
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Speaker 5: She does not live her life like a real person.
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Speaker 5: She's living She's like, it's like cosplay of being Barbie.
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Speaker 5: I'm wondering, would she go to a church, does she
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Speaker 5: have friends, is she kind to people? Does she like
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Speaker 5: children in real life? Or was the fantasy of being
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Speaker 5: pregnant and the fantasy of being a mom much more
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Speaker 5: compelling than the reality of changing diapers holding a baby.
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Speaker 5: Babies have needs, you know.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to clear one thing up, doctor Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 1: You can be anything and have played with barbies as
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Speaker 1: a little girl. My sister had the barbies. She's a brainiac,
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Speaker 1: you know. I tried to read something she published. It
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Speaker 1: was just a bunch of formulas with you know, like elements,
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, that was great. So I'm not
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Speaker 1: saying there's anything wrong with playing with barbies when you're
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Speaker 1: a child. I mean, it can be fun. But this
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Speaker 1: is a grown woman that says she's a real life Barbie. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I've gone down the Barbie trail way
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Speaker 1: too long. That's not going to help anybody a trial.
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Speaker 1: I want to get to the facts and what we know.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 2: Ten thirty am Wednesday morning, Lexington PD responds to a
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Speaker 2: call about an unresponsive infant found in a student department
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Speaker 2: in one of the tenants closets inside a trash bag
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Speaker 2: wrapped in towels. The baby was deceased at the time
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Speaker 2: officers received the report. Snelling returns to her apartment to
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Speaker 2: find police swarming the unit. Snelling says she cleaned up
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Speaker 2: after delivering the baby to conceal that she had given
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Speaker 2: birth and put all of the cleaning materials in the
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Speaker 2: trash bag with the baby.
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Speaker 1: What I'm saying here to Josh Colsrude. He is a
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Speaker 1: high profile criminal defense attorney, former felony prosecutor, founder of
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Speaker 1: Colsrud Law Offices. Josh, Now, this is anecdotal. I don't
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Speaker 1: have a statistic on this, but I noticed it over
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Speaker 1: and over and over in the over a decade that
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Speaker 1: I prosecuted felonies when the victim is a baby, very
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Speaker 1: often you see that case pled down like, oh, you know,
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Speaker 1: they were tired of the baby screaming and they bashed
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Speaker 1: its head on the dresser, or they got tired of
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Speaker 1: taking care of the baby, where they forgot to feed
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Speaker 1: the baby and it died, And it's often pled down
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Speaker 1: to volunteer involuntary manslaughter. Now I don't know if you're
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Speaker 1: going to admit to that on the air, but it's
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Speaker 1: true when the victim is a baby, somehow it's treated
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Speaker 1: as less important in our justice system.
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Speaker 6: Well, you know, these cases are tough, Nancy. You know
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Speaker 6: there's a very similar case that happened in twenty seventeen
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Speaker 6: Skuyler Richard and high profile case in Ohio. It was
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Speaker 6: a cheerleader and in that case she was charged with
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Speaker 6: murder with second degree murder and they went to trial
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Speaker 6: and the prosecution lost. They lost because neo nanticide, which
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Speaker 6: is the intentional killing of a baby within twenty four hours,
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Speaker 6: is extremely difficult to prove because the scientific tests generally
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Speaker 6: cannot say with any certainty that murder was the result.
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Speaker 6: And so here we just don't have enough information yet.
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Speaker 6: The coroner has stated that, you know that it's inconclusive
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Speaker 6: right now, they are doing additional tests. But I looked
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Speaker 6: into this and the additional tests are all going to
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Speaker 6: have innocent explanations.
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Speaker 1: Number one, I think that the prosecution show you go
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Speaker 1: on and I'm thinking you were going to come back
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Speaker 1: circle back to the question, which you did not while
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Speaker 1: you stay that Brooks Skyler Richardson was found not guilty.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that she was convicted of abuse of
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Speaker 1: a corpse? She was not let go, She was actually
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Speaker 1: found guilty. Isn't that correct? Yes? It is okay, you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry I had to put your feet to the
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Speaker 1: fire on that. But you were suggesting that she walked
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Speaker 1: away scott free. What you did say that I find
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Speaker 1: pertinent is that the forensics couldn't prove murder because very often,
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Speaker 1: as you rightly pointed out, Josh Colsrude, it's very difficult
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Speaker 1: to get a coeod cost of death in a case
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Speaker 1: like this. But isn't Skylar Richardson the one that buried
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Speaker 1: the baby in the backyard after she tried to burn
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Speaker 1: the baby's body.
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Speaker 6: Yes, and she also admitted that the baby was alive.
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Speaker 6: She told the police that she heard gurgle and that
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Speaker 6: it was briefly alive. She said this to actually her parents,
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Speaker 6: who were in the interrogation room when they didn't believe
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Speaker 6: that the recording was still going on.
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Speaker 1: Josh, do you even remember the question I asked you?
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Speaker 1: What you just said? May Skytle look even worse Skyle
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Speaker 1: Richardson because the baby was alive? She said it was
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Speaker 1: gurgling and alive when she gave birth. Now it's up
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Speaker 1: to a jury to determine how the baby was born
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Speaker 1: alive and ended up burned and buried in the backyard.
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Speaker 1: That said, my question was to you, you know what,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Chris Byers, Chris Buyer's private investigator,
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Speaker 1: owner of Buyer's Investigative Services for my purposes. He is
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Speaker 1: the former police chief of John's Creek twenty five years
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Speaker 1: in LA law enforcement. Buyers, isn't it true that you
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Speaker 1: guys work the case of the dead baby, but when
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Speaker 1: it gets to court, somehow, when the victim is a
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Speaker 1: baby an infant, it gets pled down to a voluntary
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Speaker 1: or voluntary You know, I don't get it in.
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Speaker 7: My experience with any of the cases that I've had
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Speaker 7: like that, they have been pled down. And yeah, I
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Speaker 7: can't explain it from the law enforcement side, that's for sure.
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Speaker 1: Guys, how did the baby end up wrapped in a
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Speaker 1: blanket in her closet? Do you think it wrapped itself
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Speaker 1: up and went closet and died? Joining me? Now, Hermonia Rodriguez,
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Speaker 1: chief US reporter, Dailymail dot Com. Hermonia, do we know
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Speaker 1: if Snellings had roommates, because I'm trying to figure out
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Speaker 1: who would call nine one one.
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Speaker 8: Right, That's one of the questions that remains unanswered in
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Speaker 8: this case. Police have refused to say whether Snelling had
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Speaker 8: any roommates and who called the police that morning, so
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Speaker 8: that remains open ended. However, there's a lot of online
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Speaker 8: speculation that says it was a roommate that called the
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Speaker 8: police that morning.
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Speaker 1: Guys, you were seeing shots beauty queen cheerleader Laken Snellings.
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Speaker 1: We already know that systematically, cases involving victims that are
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Speaker 1: infants or children, but especially infants, are typically pled down
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Speaker 1: and treated as less important than adult victims. I don't
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Speaker 1: get it, you know, I'm just thinking about who called
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Speaker 1: nine to one one? How did she keep the baby
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Speaker 1: a secret? Isn't it true, Harmonia Rodriguez, that she was,
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Speaker 1: you know, a fantastic athlete. She was a stunt person
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Speaker 1: on the college cheerleading team, and you can see that
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Speaker 1: she's pregnant during her stunts. Let's take a look at
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Speaker 1: video of Lake and Snellings. There you go, that is
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Speaker 1: a baby right there, the baby, the baby is in there.
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Speaker 1: I'm not a medical doctor, but I can see that much.
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Speaker 1: She was still performing stunts as a cheerleader while pregnant.
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Speaker 1: What you know what, doctor Bethany Marshall, denial and it
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Speaker 1: ain't just a river in Egypt. Come on, what what
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Speaker 1: is this? Bethany helped me out, Nancy.
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Speaker 5: Not only is she in denial, the whole team is denial. Denial.
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Speaker 5: I mean, who's gonna pull a stunt like that when
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Speaker 5: you have a baby in your tommy? Nancy. What this
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Speaker 5: tells me is she was already disconnecting from the baby
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Speaker 5: as she was pregnant. A mother who wants a baby,
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Speaker 5: or who has a wanted baby and her tommy is
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Speaker 5: not going to pull a stunt like that, because the
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Speaker 5: maternal instinct is to protect your child. Nancy, did you
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Speaker 5: hear what the reporter just said. When she put that
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Speaker 5: baby in the plastic bag, she threw the cleaning material
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Speaker 5: on top of it. She threw trash on her baby.
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Speaker 5: It's it's so disturbing.
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Speaker 9: A member of the University of Kentucky's stunt team, Laken Snelling,
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Speaker 9: is driven, admired, and hiding a.
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Speaker 1: Secret that will crack her dreams, and right now she
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Speaker 1: is accused of a major felony after her dead infant
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Speaker 1: baby boy is found wrapped in towels and a trash
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Speaker 1: back in her closet straight out to Harmonia Rodriguez joining
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Speaker 1: us from Deally mail Harmonia. There are two lines of
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Speaker 1: inquiry right now as to who called nine one one,
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Speaker 1: And this is important. Okay, you may think who cares
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Speaker 1: to call nine one one they found a dead baby
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Speaker 1: in the closet, But does the person that call nine
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Speaker 1: one one have other facts and evidence that would be probative.
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Speaker 1: So these are the two lines of inquiry. One report
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Speaker 1: is that roommates became suspicious after Lincoln Snelling came back
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Speaker 1: to school at the end of the summer. She didn't
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Speaker 1: look the same as she did when spring semester ended.
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Speaker 1: She looked pregnant. Then on that Wednesday morning, the pregnancy
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Speaker 1: bump was gone. So when she went to class that day,
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Speaker 1: they the roommates, decided to go into her room and
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Speaker 1: take a look. There are also reports that one of
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Speaker 1: the roommates had a dog that was going berserk outside
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Speaker 1: lake in Snelling's room and outside of her closet, and
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Speaker 1: because of that they looked in the closet. Both reports
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Speaker 1: indicate one of the roommates called nine to one one.
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Speaker 1: Do you know anything about either of those two reports, Harmonia, right,
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Speaker 1: I have seen those reports.
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Speaker 8: One is from a local and the other one really
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Speaker 8: comes from this Facebook page that is about the case.
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Speaker 1: However, we have gone.
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Speaker 8: To police to ask about the circumstances of who called
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Speaker 8: nine one one, and they still are not ready to
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Speaker 8: release that information.
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Speaker 1: Guys, you're seeing video Lake and Snellings and it's kind
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Speaker 1: of amazing how someone that seemingly has the world at
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Speaker 1: their feet. You know, there's no question she's beautiful, she's vivacious,
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Speaker 1: she's healthy, she's smart, and now she's charged with a felony.
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Speaker 1: I think a lot will ride on the cause of death,
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Speaker 1: but right now, that cood remains undetermined. Joining me right now,
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Speaker 1: renowned medical examiner, the chief Medical Examiner of Terrance County,
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Speaker 1: that's Fort Worth, Texas, esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School
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Speaker 1: of Medicine at TCU, and star of a hit new podcast,
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Speaker 1: Mayhem in the Morgue, Doctor Kimball Crown's joining us. What
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Speaker 1: does that tell me? They don't have a cood yet?
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Speaker 1: Cause of death? Let me read between the lines that
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Speaker 1: tells me there was no visible cod like you can
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Speaker 1: just look at the baby and say, oh, the baby
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Speaker 1: was bludgeon dead, or the baby was shot, or the
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Speaker 1: baby was stabbed, or ligature strangulation or manual strangulation. Maybe
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Speaker 1: even you might need a microscopic exam to determine if
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Speaker 1: there were partickiar hemorrhage to the eyes. But that tells
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Speaker 1: me that the cod was none of those things. What's happening,
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Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns.
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Speaker 10: So typically with the babies that are found in trash bags,
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Speaker 10: you first have to determine if they were born alive.
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Speaker 10: There's certain things that you can look for. One of
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Speaker 10: them is gestational age. If they're under twenty two weeks,
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Speaker 10: they probably couldn't have survived being born. If they have
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Speaker 10: this thing called maceration, which is an overall kind of
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Speaker 10: reddish decoloration sloughing of the skin of the baby, you
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Speaker 10: know they died in utero. And then finally, do they
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Speaker 10: have any major burst effects like they have no brain
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Speaker 10: or something of that nature. Then you go from there
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Speaker 10: and you have to figure out if they If you
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Speaker 10: determine that they could have been born alive, then you
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Speaker 10: have to determine if they actually took a breath, and
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Speaker 10: that can be a number of tests that are actually
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Speaker 10: not all that accurate. There's the float test us with
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Speaker 10: the lung, but that can be disrupted by decomposition.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. As we go to air,
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Speaker 1: we learn a grand jury in fat County, Kentucky, we'll
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Speaker 1: hear evidence in the Lacan Snelling case. Snelling twenty two,
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Speaker 1: accused of giving birth in her off campus apartment bedroom,
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Speaker 1: then putting the baby in a trash bag in her closet.
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Speaker 1: She's been on house arrest in Tennessee ever since. She
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Speaker 1: had her very first court appearance September two. She has
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Speaker 1: pled not guilty to abuse of a corpse. She has
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Speaker 1: pled not guilty to concealing a birth and tampering with evidence.
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Speaker 1: What do we know at this juncture?
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Speaker 2: A new subpoena filed last month in December ordering the
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Speaker 2: University of Kentucky Medical Center to provide Snelling's medical records
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Speaker 2: from August twenty twenty four to present. The hospital has
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Speaker 2: until January twentieth to comply. That is the facility which
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Speaker 2: treated Snelling hours after she allegedly gave birth to a baby,
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Speaker 2: which she says fell into the floor of her bedroom.
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Speaker 2: That statement about the birth was allegedly made at the
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Speaker 2: school's medical facility. During one of Snelling's interviews with members
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Speaker 2: of the Lexington Police Department.
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Speaker 1: Back to the case, Doctor Kimball Crown's joining us, could
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Speaker 1: you please dummy down, man? You said, oh, and let's say,
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Speaker 1: did a flotation test? What not? Everybody works in the morgue.
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Speaker 1: Not everybody knows what you're talking about. You just rattled
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Speaker 1: off about fifteen medical phrases. I'm surprised you didn't throw
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Speaker 1: Latin at me. Could you just start over and speak
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Speaker 1: regular people talk? Please, if not for the listener, for me,
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Speaker 1: please start over if you don't mind.
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Speaker 10: So, the main thing, like I was talking about, is
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Speaker 10: they're going to be looking for any signs that the
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Speaker 10: child was living when it was born. So did it
23:06
Speaker 10: take a breath? And if it took a breath, the
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Speaker 10: lungs will fill up with air and they could potentially
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Speaker 10: float if you put them in water, so you could say, oh,
23:15
Speaker 10: that they breathe if they lungs float in water. The
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Speaker 10: problem with the.
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Speaker 1: Floatation test, Doctor Kendall Crown's right there, right there, you
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Speaker 1: have to explain what that means, because that reminds me
23:28
Speaker 1: of when we were first told the Idaho for students
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Speaker 1: that were murdered by Brian Coberger died in their sleep.
23:34
Speaker 1: So I was like they drifted off to a lullaby
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Speaker 1: and they woke up in heaven. That's not what happened.
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Speaker 1: They fought for their lives. It was horrible. You're saying
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Speaker 1: the lungs are tested. What I believe you mean is
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Speaker 1: this infant is cut open, it's lungs are removed, and
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Speaker 1: they're put in water to see if they float. Is
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Speaker 1: that what that means? That's correct. You just rattled off
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Speaker 1: the tip of your tongue like it's nothing. This is
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Speaker 1: a baby, Dr. Kendall that now has to be cut
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Speaker 1: open and its lungs removed from its little body. How
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Speaker 1: big are baby lungs? How big are they and indunked
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Speaker 1: in water? How big is an infants lungs?
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Speaker 10: Well, it depends on how old the baby is gestationally,
24:15
Speaker 10: if they are newborn. If they are a newborn, their
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Speaker 10: lungs are about a couple inches. Maybe have you.
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Speaker 1: Done a water test on a baby?
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Speaker 4: Yes?
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Speaker 1: I mean what went through your mind when you're cutting
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Speaker 1: out a baby's lungs that are this big? About the
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Speaker 1: size of a good cup, a kitchen measuring cup. I mean,
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Speaker 1: do you look at it in your hands and think,
24:36
Speaker 1: my stars, what happened.
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Speaker 10: So when I'm doing an autopsy and a baby, it's
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Speaker 10: no different than doing an autopsy and adults. I have
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Speaker 10: to determine the cause and manner of death. It's just
24:47
Speaker 10: it is what it is. I have to figure out
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Speaker 10: what happened to this child or happen to the adults.
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Speaker 10: And that's the purpose of my employment.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I understand that you have to remain detached while
24:56
Speaker 1: you're performing all of this, But you know, when you
24:59
Speaker 1: just rattle off and I'm not saying you're wrong, I
25:02
Speaker 1: know for a fact that you're right, But when you
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Speaker 1: say it so methodically, I mean, I gotta think this through.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns. You're saying, one of the first things
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Speaker 1: you do to determine COEOD if it's not immediately visible
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Speaker 1: with the naked eye, is you do a float test
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Speaker 1: on the lungs. What that means is the baby is
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Speaker 1: sliced open, its lungs, they're removed, and they're dunked in water.
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Speaker 1: What what kind of water? What is that in a pan,
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Speaker 1: a sink?
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Speaker 10: What it's tap water? And it's basically a big cup.
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Speaker 1: You know, we are talking on and on and on,
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Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns about Blake and Snellings. And she's a
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Speaker 1: real life Barbie and she's a stunk person, and she's
25:42
Speaker 1: a cheerleader, and she's gorgeous and she's miss Fairest of
25:45
Speaker 1: the Fair. Nobody is talking about the baby boy that's
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Speaker 1: lying on a more table getting its chest sliced open,
25:55
Speaker 1: it's lungs removed and put in water. Why does it
25:59
Speaker 1: have to be all about her? That's why White Cases
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Speaker 1: and Josh Colsrude would not answer earlier former federal prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: I mean, okay, back to you, doctor Kimmell Crowns. So
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Speaker 1: you do a lung test, and if the lungs float,
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Speaker 1: that means they had air in them. That means that
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Speaker 1: baby was born alive. Is that where you're going with that?
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Speaker 1: That's correct.
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Speaker 10: I mean, if they've taken a breath, the lungs will float.
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Speaker 10: But it could also mean they were given CPR. It
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Speaker 10: could also mean there's decompositional gas formation. So one of
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Speaker 10: the other things you'll do with the floatation test is
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Speaker 10: take the liver. Take a section of the liver, and
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Speaker 10: place it in the water as well to see if
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Speaker 10: it will float to show that there is or is
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Speaker 10: not decomposition.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute,
26:49
Speaker 1: I've never heard this before. A float test on the
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Speaker 1: baby's liver. So now the abdomen is cut out as well. Okay,
26:56
Speaker 1: why would you do a float test on a liver.
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Speaker 1: Why would there be air in the life.
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Speaker 10: There would be nowhere in the liver. So if the
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Speaker 10: liver doesn't float, you know that there is no decomposition.
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Speaker 10: But if it does float, then it puts into question
27:09
Speaker 10: of whether the lungs are floating because of decomposition or
27:12
Speaker 10: because there's air in them. So then you have to
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Speaker 10: go to microscopic analysis.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So you compare the float test of the liver
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Speaker 1: to the float test of the lungs, and if the
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Speaker 1: liver goes down and the lungs go up, that indicates
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Speaker 1: the lungs are floating because the baby breathed, not because
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Speaker 1: of decompositional gases. Is that right, corect Yes, okay, so
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Speaker 1: that's what's happening to the baby. What else will be
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Speaker 1: examined to determine the cod of this baby? Because this
27:43
Speaker 1: all hinges on the cod if the baby was dead
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Speaker 1: when it was born, was still born, if then there's
27:51
Speaker 1: not going to be a murder prosecution. As Josh colesruly
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Speaker 1: pointed out, a lot is riding on the cause of death.
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Speaker 1: What else will be done? Doctor Kendle Crowns.
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Speaker 10: So what also'll be done is microscopic analysis or looking
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Speaker 10: at sections of the tissue under a microscope, looking for
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Speaker 10: any disease processes. Also, you'll be looking at the lungs
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Speaker 10: there as well, looking to see if the air sacs
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Speaker 10: or the alveoli and the lungs have filled up with air.
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Speaker 10: The other thing you'll be looking at is the placenta,
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Speaker 10: if it's available. Looking at the placenta looking for any
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Speaker 10: evidence of hemorrhage or loss of oxygen, or infarction or
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Speaker 10: infection of the membranes. You'll be looking at the umbilical
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Speaker 10: core to see if it's normally formed, if it was
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Speaker 10: wrapped around the child's neck, or if it has inflammation
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Speaker 10: as well. And then you'll also be looking for any
28:43
Speaker 10: evidence of trauma. Birth trauma where like the shoulder got
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Speaker 10: stuck and they had to pull the child very hard,
28:49
Speaker 10: fracturing the shoulder or separating the neck. You'll also be
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Speaker 10: looking for inflicted trauma like crushing of the ribs, breaking
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Speaker 10: of the extremities, or the long bones of the extra
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Speaker 10: remedies are crushing of the skull.
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Speaker 1: Her money in Rodriguez dailymail dot Com. Thinking about and
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Speaker 1: analyzing what doctor kenmel Crows just said regarding was the
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Speaker 1: baby's shoulder broken or prolapsed when it when it was delivered,
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Speaker 1: other injuries to the baby during delivery. It's my understanding
29:19
Speaker 1: that she had the pregnancy bump one day and the
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Speaker 1: next day, Wednesday, it was gone and she went to class,
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Speaker 1: so obviously she did not have any injuries. That's right.
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Speaker 8: And while we have not been able to confirm that
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Speaker 8: she told anyone about this pregnancy, as we saw, the
29:37
Speaker 8: images show that she has a visible bump that she
29:40
Speaker 8: then did not have after given birth, so I think
29:44
Speaker 8: it's safe to say she was probably not injured, and
29:47
Speaker 8: the autopsy report did say that the baby did not
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Speaker 8: have any obvious injuries either.
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Speaker 3: Good form City Joson County Bear. I am lady inside.
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Speaker 4: Her and is Nancy University of Kentucky, and she's twenty
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Speaker 4: years of age. Her Ears Criterium Joe Snelling the worse
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Speaker 4: may needs list while also being a student athelete. Do
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Speaker 4: one athelete on the sunte.
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Speaker 11: At a university of.
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Speaker 4: One hundred plus community service hours in the past year,
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Speaker 4: honor to be aground the.
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Speaker 1: Jerfy City County.
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Speaker 4: There's student there and reunion to represent her.
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Speaker 1: Now, I want to be very clear at this juncture,
30:40
Speaker 1: Lake and Snellings is not charged with murder. We are
30:44
Speaker 1: waiting on a full and complete autopsy report.
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Speaker 9: A roommate's dog leads to a horrific discovery inside lacoln
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Speaker 9: Snelling's closet. Inside a black trash bag, the remains of
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Speaker 9: a baby boy, along with the evidence use to hide
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Speaker 9: the birth.
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Speaker 1: Lincoln Snelling's caught on video stating how grateful she is
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Speaker 1: for quote family. I don't know if that includes the
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Speaker 1: baby boy found wrapped in towels in a trash bag
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Speaker 1: in her closet, but I want you to see some
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Speaker 1: texts that we have uncovered. Here is Lincoln Snellings and
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Speaker 1: if you see her goals, let's see a close up
31:23
Speaker 1: of her goals motherhood. Well, then that baby's getting fed
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Speaker 1: a bottle by a loving mom with blonde hair like
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Speaker 1: Lincoln Snellings. That is not what happened to this baby
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Speaker 1: and also circled as her goal is a family with
31:37
Speaker 1: two children, engagement, ring, money, and a house. What more
31:42
Speaker 1: have we learned? Being twenty is so weird, Like I'm
31:45
Speaker 1: an adult, but I still can't really really do anything.
31:49
Speaker 1: But people my age have kids. Well, I think she
31:52
Speaker 1: knows the answer to that. I actually start tweaking at
31:55
Speaker 1: the fact I may only birth boys and never get
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Speaker 1: a girl. That would be a little small miniature me.
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Speaker 1: My parents had a whole child at my age, and
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Speaker 1: I don't even know how to drive on to the
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Speaker 1: tracks of a car wash. Okay, this and watching the
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Speaker 1: kids play in the yard. She seems like she'd be
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Speaker 1: a great mom. How I sleep at night knowing I'm
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Speaker 1: dating the person I'm going to marry. Marriage is scary.
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Speaker 1: What if he doesn't want to put our daughter in
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Speaker 1: cheer the second she can walk? Okay, I need a shrink,
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Speaker 1: and I need a shrink right now, Doctor Bethany Marshall
32:42
Speaker 1: the well, they all are significant. Okay, Yes, none of
32:46
Speaker 1: this will likely ever come before a jury because they
32:49
Speaker 1: will be deemed not probative. In other words, they're incendiary
32:52
Speaker 1: and they don't really prove anything. Right, But what about
32:56
Speaker 1: the part about I want to have a mini meet.
32:59
Speaker 1: What if my only birth boys, which this was a
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Speaker 1: baby boy, and I don't have a girl, I don't
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Speaker 1: have a meaning me. That means something, Doctor Beth Andy.
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Speaker 5: What it tells me that she's preoccupied with having an
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Speaker 5: idealized life with a little girl who's just like her.
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Speaker 5: That she's very self centered, Nancy. She's wrapped up in
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Speaker 5: her own little world. These texts are not to another person.
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Speaker 5: These texts are to herself. She is preoccupied with herself. Now,
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Speaker 5: women who commit and fanticide usually are not attached to
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Speaker 5: the baby when they are pregnant. The baby is like
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Speaker 5: an it, a thing. It does not have a personality, Nancy,
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Speaker 5: when you were first pregnant, I remember you told me
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Speaker 5: were on the set of port TV. You were so excited.
33:44
Speaker 5: You were attached to your babies. It's called maternal preoccupation.
33:49
Speaker 5: When you're attached. She likely was not attached to the baby.
33:53
Speaker 5: She was attached to herself, and she was attached to
33:56
Speaker 5: the idea of an idealized life. There's the ring, then
34:01
Speaker 5: there's the baby, Then there's the cash, then there's the house. Oh,
34:05
Speaker 5: there's the family. So this baby probably was getting in
34:11
Speaker 5: the way of some scheme or plan that she already had.
34:15
Speaker 5: Maybe she was getting ready for a prom, maybe she
34:18
Speaker 5: wanted to wear a wedding dress. Maybe she wanted to
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Speaker 5: find a really rich guy, or she wanted the perfect wedding,
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Speaker 5: and this baby was just inconvenient because the little baby
34:28
Speaker 5: didn't come around at the right time in her whatever
34:31
Speaker 5: her plan was for her life.
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Speaker 1: And Docter Bethany, here's something I don't understand. And I'm
34:36
Speaker 1: not saying pro or con abortion. I'm not arguing about
34:41
Speaker 1: abortion tonight. That's a whole other can of worms. But
34:46
Speaker 1: if you don't want the baby, why wait nine months
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Speaker 1: and give birth and then murder the baby? Why do
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Speaker 1: that as opposed to terminating the pregnancy in the first
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Speaker 1: three months, Nancy.
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Speaker 5: In order to plan for an abortion, you have to
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Speaker 5: be tethered to reality. Reality is that there is a
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Speaker 5: baby inside of you. That baby is growing, That baby
35:10
Speaker 5: will be a person in the real world with real needs,
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Speaker 5: a need for food, a need for love, a need
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Speaker 5: for care. I would doubt that she would even be
35:19
Speaker 5: attached enough to this baby to plan any kind of
35:23
Speaker 5: medical procedure. I doubt she even went to a doctor
35:26
Speaker 5: and got her vitamins or her being able care or
35:29
Speaker 5: anything like that. That's one of the more fascinating parts
35:32
Speaker 5: of this story was did anybody recognize she was pregnant?
35:35
Speaker 5: Did her own mother recognize? What about the other people
35:38
Speaker 5: on the cheer team? Or was this sort of a
35:41
Speaker 5: pipe dream about having a baby at some point in
35:45
Speaker 5: her life? But at that point she didn't imagine herself
35:48
Speaker 5: to be pregnant. She was just dissociated from the reality
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Speaker 5: of it all.
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Speaker 1: And again, I'm not going down the pro life fom
35:56
Speaker 1: or pro abortion rabbit hole, but I want to get
35:59
Speaker 1: back to the facts. Listen to this.
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Speaker 2: Lincoln Snelling pleads not guilty to all three charges levied
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Speaker 2: against her and posted her one hundred thousand dollars bond.
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Speaker 2: Snelling has been placed on house arrest at her parents
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Speaker 2: Jefferson City home. She will not be required to wear
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Speaker 2: an ankle monitor. Her next scheduled appearance in a Fayette
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Speaker 2: County court is September twenty sixth.
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Speaker 1: Arms that from our friends at w KYT And you
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Speaker 1: heard the judge there at the end, Judge John Tackett,
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Harmonia, She not only has walked free,
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Speaker 1: but she doesn't even have to wear an ankle monitor.
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Speaker 8: That's right, Nancy. The judge ordered her to await trial
36:45
Speaker 8: at her parents' home in Tennessee and specified that she
36:48
Speaker 8: would not have to wear an ankle monitor while she
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Speaker 8: awaits her trial.
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Speaker 1: Why, Josh Coles rude, you're the former federal prosecutor. Why
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Speaker 1: not even where an ankle monitor? Forget the ankle monitor
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Speaker 1: to hay with that? Why is she out on bond?
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Speaker 11: Well?
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Speaker 6: Typically judges have to look at two different prongs when
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Speaker 6: evaluating whether or not to give somebody a bond, and
37:14
Speaker 6: if so, how much. The first is is the person
37:17
Speaker 6: a substantial danger to the community? And the second is
37:23
Speaker 6: are they substantial flight risk? And here you're dealing with
37:27
Speaker 6: somebody who doesn't have any in me that.
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Speaker 1: She's young and pretty and rich and white. What about that?
37:39
Speaker 1: Does that factor into that bond decision? Because I think
37:42
Speaker 1: it does. Is she too pretty for jail? Because that
37:45
Speaker 1: worked with debril Fay? Is that what happens? Just too cute?
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Speaker 6: Well, in this case, respectfully, she has not been accused
37:54
Speaker 6: of murdering anybody yet. The only charges in this case
37:58
Speaker 6: so far are abuse a corpse and some lower and
38:04
Speaker 6: some lesser included charges as well, so until the time
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Speaker 6: that the state actually accuses her of murdering an infant child,
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Speaker 6: She's going to be treated as a low level offender.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. A date has been set
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Speaker 1: for a grand jury to hear evidence in the Lacan
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Speaker 1: Snelling case and determine whether they will indice the former
38:38
Speaker 1: beauty queen University of Kentucky cheerleader stunt girl. Big question
38:44
Speaker 1: will be was the baby dead when she put him
38:48
Speaker 1: in the trash bag or did she leave him there
38:51
Speaker 1: to die? We have also learned that the facility that
38:55
Speaker 1: treated Snelling just a few hours after she allegedly gave
38:59
Speaker 1: birth quote this is from the medical records to a
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Speaker 1: baby which fell onto the floor of her bedroom. Now
39:06
Speaker 1: that's according to a search warrant. Interesting that statement about
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Speaker 1: the birth was made at the school's medical facility. During
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Speaker 1: one of Lincoln Snelling's hospital bed interviews with officers from
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Speaker 1: the Lexington p D. She allegedly admits to giving birth,
39:29
Speaker 1: falling asleep on the kneeborn, wrapping the baby in a towel,
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Speaker 1: and putting them in a trash bag along with the placenta.
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Speaker 1: She cleaned up the room and headed out to attend
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Speaker 1: class hm HM. At SENTA class, she chose to go
39:45
Speaker 1: to McDonald's. When she got back to her apartment, there
39:48
Speaker 1: were local police, her roommates contact and law enforcement after
39:52
Speaker 1: they heard noises coming from in the room in the
39:55
Speaker 1: middle of the night and then discovered blood in her room.
39:59
Speaker 1: When cops got there, they found the dead baby. What
40:05
Speaker 1: more do we know surrounding the death of the infant?
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Speaker 9: Okay, I'm going to need you sent a deputy over here.
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Speaker 1: At one twenty five Lakeside, we got a newborn baby's
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Speaker 1: bend started.
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Speaker 8: Okay too, yep, thanks Miss Gingham University Delta again.
40:24
Speaker 2: The Theta sisters find a suspicious trash bag just outside
40:28
Speaker 2: the front door. Tearing it open, they make a gruesome discovery.
40:31
Speaker 2: Next to an instant Mac and Cheese box lies the
40:34
Speaker 2: dead baby. Girl. Emily Weaver admits she birth the baby
40:39
Speaker 2: in the downstairs bathroom of the Theta house.
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Speaker 1: Okay. In that case, sorority's sisters find a dead infant
40:47
Speaker 1: and a trash bag right outside their front door, and
40:51
Speaker 1: they immediately suspect Emma Emil Weaver. Listen, I just just.
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Speaker 12: Want to be able to tell yeah, the cause of
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Speaker 12: death on the child and did you do anything physically too? No,
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Speaker 12: it's physically I really obviously didn't do much at all,
41:13
Speaker 12: But it was more concerned.
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Speaker 8: Would be the.
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Speaker 9: Guys been intentionally get a billet.
41:21
Speaker 11: I mean, I would have like not for its head
41:25
Speaker 11: up when you just want to drop, you know what
41:26
Speaker 11: I mean?
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Speaker 6: But it was potentially.
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Speaker 13: You did.
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Speaker 9: Did you try and keep her alive? I didn't do
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Speaker 9: anything to.
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Speaker 1: Pure And then you add on Emily Weaver's texts that
41:48
Speaker 1: she had been arguing with the BF boyfriend for about
41:52
Speaker 1: a month about the quote situation, and then after just
41:56
Speaker 1: a few hours after giving births as a text no
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Speaker 1: more baby taken care of, the baby was asphyxiated, suffocated dead.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors argue she intentionally killed the baby by putting the
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Speaker 1: baby in the trash where it suffocated, and she was
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Speaker 1: sentenced to life. That's what happened there. So I'm just
42:19
Speaker 1: thinking through the having the baby and doing nothing to
42:24
Speaker 1: keep the baby alive, not just that putting the baby
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Speaker 1: in a trash bag wrapped in a towel as in
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Speaker 1: this case, could that have been the cause of asphyxiation
42:40
Speaker 1: in the case in chief, Now, that case was about
42:43
Speaker 1: Emily Weaver, but then there's Alexei Cheviso.
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Speaker 13: We had the lady come to clean the bathroom. She
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Speaker 13: put the baby in the trash can and then she
42:53
Speaker 13: put another clean liner whole the top of it.
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Speaker 1: I so they looked.
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Speaker 13: When they looked in there, it looked there was a
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Speaker 13: trash and nobody's underneath the clean bag. The baby's dead.
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Speaker 5: Okay, we have them.
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Speaker 13: In Tronto too. But she killed a kid.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, how old was he to be?
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 11: It's full time.
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Speaker 1: She just had it. She had it in the bathroom,
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Speaker 1: was what happened.
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Speaker 13: And then she whatever she did. I don't know if
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Speaker 13: she's gonna lie. She wouldn't tell her she's pregnant. She's
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Speaker 13: gonna lie the whole time.
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Speaker 1: So she goes in the bathroom pregnant and then selling
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Speaker 1: the baby's gone and it's underneath the clean bag near
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Speaker 1: the trash can. There's more.
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Speaker 4: We discovered a dead baby in the bathroom.
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Speaker 11: Oh my gosh, Sorry, Legsie, I told you about this,
43:41
Speaker 11: but I just asked your baby showing the truth.
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Speaker 1: Was not crying, and that thing was crying. Can do
43:55
Speaker 1: you guys have I'm a charge nursery.
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Speaker 13: Do you guys have any questions for me.
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Speaker 1: What nine months?
44:03
Speaker 11: Something was corrupting you. Let's see, have you watched the
44:07
Speaker 11: news of the girls.
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Speaker 1: In what they do to their babies and when they
44:12
Speaker 1: go to jail, doctor Benthony Marshall, what's with that mom?
44:22
Speaker 5: The mom seems more concerned about her daughter than her
44:24
Speaker 5: grand baby. It's it's really concerning. And you know, this
44:27
Speaker 5: is what we call nancy a soft kill. When women
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Speaker 5: kill their babies, usually it's suffocating them, poisoning them, whereas
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Speaker 5: with men it sends to be some more of overt
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Speaker 5: physical violence. So this is just a soft kill. And
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Speaker 5: the mother never says, oh my god, my grandbaby. Those
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Speaker 5: words do not come out of the mother's mouth.
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Speaker 1: I don't like anything you just said, soft kilm Those
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Speaker 1: words don't go together. Imagine how awful it would be
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Speaker 1: to be murdered my let's just say fix. Then, imagine
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Speaker 1: if you're a baby. You can't speak, you can't move,
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Speaker 1: you can't run away, you can't fight back. You have
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Speaker 1: to just lay there and die with something held down
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Speaker 1: over your nose and mouth. And to doctor Kendall, Crown's
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Speaker 1: soft kill, my rear end. Could this baby have died
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Speaker 1: by asphyxiation? Simply by the baby putting being wrapped in
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Speaker 1: towels and put in a trash bag. Could that have
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Speaker 1: asphyxiated suffocated the baby?
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Speaker 10: Yes, we see that occasionally with full term infronts or
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Speaker 10: babies that are beyond the twenty three week gestation. The
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Speaker 10: mother places it in the trash bag and seals the
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Speaker 10: trash bag. Throwing it in the trash There's not enough
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Speaker 10: oxygen in there for the child to survive, and so
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Speaker 10: they eventually will suffocate by being in a plastic bag,
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Speaker 10: just as if you put a plastic bag over your head,
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Speaker 10: it would suffocate you.
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Speaker 1: And then to Chris Buyer's private investigator at Buyer's Investigative Services,
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear this case similar and it's
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Speaker 1: one caught up by Josh Cole Road Skyler Richardson. Is
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Speaker 1: your bedroom upstairs or bathroom upstairs?
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Speaker 12: Okay, so you had to walk downstairs? Are you carrying
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Speaker 12: her time?
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Speaker 2: Did you go into the garage or do you have
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Speaker 2: an outdoor shed.
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Speaker 3: Like where you have a shovel?
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Speaker 1: Okay? When what did you find her?
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Speaker 13: What did you use?
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Speaker 1: Put a little old Oh my god, Jordan, Okay.
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Speaker 12: Anderson, what did you do?
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Speaker 11: Did you have it? And you didn't have any help, right, Okay.
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Speaker 1: What did you do with her.
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Speaker 11: While you were digging the hole?
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Speaker 1: And Chris Buyers in that particular case, Skyler Richardson, dad asked,
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Speaker 1: tell us what's going on, and she says, I tried
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Speaker 1: to cremate the baby just a little. She tried to
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Speaker 1: burn the baby. Chris.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, that is absolutely mind blowing. That level of evil.
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Speaker 7: I just can't even imagine just just all of these
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Speaker 7: cases we see just the level of selfishness and self
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Speaker 7: absorbedness in these in these girls, and just treating these
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Speaker 7: babies just like garbage just absolutely blows my.
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Speaker 1: Mind, like garbage in every way, putting it, putting babies
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Speaker 1: in trash, throwing them in dumpsters. I want you to
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Speaker 1: hear it from the horse's mouth, Chris. Here's Skylar Richardson
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Speaker 1: stating that she tried to cremate the baby just a little.
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Speaker 11: Kind of helful for said, you have to tell your
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Speaker 11: reason to hear.
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Speaker 5: A little kind.
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Speaker 1: I want to be very clear at this juncture, Lincoln
47:44
Speaker 1: Snelling is not charged with murder. We are also learning
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Speaker 1: that her roommates could hear her giving birth and then
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Speaker 1: snuck in when she left to go to McDonald's to
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Speaker 1: find the baby stuffed in her closet. Hours later, Snelling
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Speaker 1: reportedly tells the roommates the noise they heard was when
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Speaker 1: she quote fell over, passing out from a routine illness.
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Speaker 1: When the roommates find the baby in the closet, they
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Speaker 1: till the dispatcher at nine one one. The infant was
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Speaker 1: quote cold to the touch. After her arrest, Snelling withdraws
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Speaker 1: from school and is no longer a member of the
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Speaker 1: stunt team. Hey, she's got bigger problems than that. What
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Speaker 1: will the grand jury be deciding? Likely they will be
48:38
Speaker 1: asked to indict Lincoln Snelling on multiple charges. For instance,
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Speaker 1: the charges to which she has already played not guilty,
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Speaker 1: but possibly a count of murder or manslaughter, depending on
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Speaker 1: what we learn about the baby's autopsy results. We wait
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Speaker 1: as justice unfals. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye YAHM.