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Brutal Beer Treatment, Brew Hop Preview, Banter over Training Camp & 2025 Season | TSH Ep. 98 · The Skol Hop

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  Speaker 1: All right, Hey Vikings fans, welcome in to another episode
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  Speaker 1: of The Skull Hop. I'm Evan and I'm Austin. Where's
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  Speaker 1: a couple of dudes from Iowa. We like drinking beer
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  Speaker 1: talking about the Vikings.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. And the beer we drank tonight was delicious,
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  Speaker 2: but man, we've been abusing it for the last few weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it turned out okay.
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  Speaker 2: Though.
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  Speaker 1: We also gave a pretty quick preview of upcoming episode
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  Speaker 1: number one hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. We also talked about training camp. It's in
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  Speaker 2: full swing right now, and we were talking about if
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  Speaker 2: we should be concerned about Justin Jefferson's hamstring right now
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  Speaker 2: or not.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then finally we took a look at the
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  Speaker 1: over under from one of the Vegas sports books for
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  Speaker 1: all four of the NFC North teams, and I think
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  Speaker 1: we kind of disagreed with where Vegas is currently sitting.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely so, if you're interested, grab a cold
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  Speaker 2: one and join us for episode ninety eight of The
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, big dut We finally get to dry this beer, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we do. So it has been like three or four
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  Speaker 1: weeks in the making. We've had some fridge mishaps here
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  Speaker 1: in the Squallman Center. One week we went and they
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  Speaker 1: were warm, h because the fridge I think got unplugged
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  Speaker 1: or something something like that.
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  Speaker 2: It's your fridge.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even that lost power, I don't know. But anyways,
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  Speaker 1: then we plugged it back in it was working, and
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  Speaker 1: then we pulled them out the next time and they're
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  Speaker 1: frozen salads.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think with that knowledge, with the temperature
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  Speaker 2: change and everything like that, we need to give this beer,
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  Speaker 2: which is the is it just.
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  Speaker 1: It's fire Trucker fire Trucker cream ale.
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  Speaker 2: So with all the temperature change and the time, we
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  Speaker 2: should give this a lot of grace. I truly believe
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  Speaker 2: this is a good beer. I don't know if I've
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  Speaker 2: had it.
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  Speaker 1: Before, I've never had this.
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  Speaker 2: It's definitely a good beer. Fire Trucker doesn't put out
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  Speaker 2: bad beers. But we've we've been pretty mean to these cans.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you also got to think, like there's definitely
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  Speaker 1: beer that sits on a semi truck in you know,
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  Speaker 1: ninety degree heat like it'spend this summer, and then it
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  Speaker 1: gets put in a fridge and then it cools off again.
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  Speaker 1: So I think they're they're pretty resilient for the most part.
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  Speaker 2: Be fine. But if for some reason there's some kind
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  Speaker 2: of an off flavor, I'm gonna chalk that up to
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  Speaker 2: the temperature changes that we've done and not so much
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  Speaker 2: the process of brewing it. That fire Trucker.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't you make it seem like it's my fault because
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  Speaker 1: they said we, because it's my first I said we, No,
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  Speaker 1: I take offense to this.
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  Speaker 2: It's your fridge.
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  Speaker 1: Let's pour these up let's try them out. Hopefully they're good.
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  Speaker 1: They should be. Like you said, we've had several fire
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  Speaker 1: Trucker beers really good. We went to fire Trucker about
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  Speaker 1: a year ago. Yeah, they were on a brew hop on.
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  Speaker 2: I caught some grief for that. By the way, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if I ever told you. Fire Trucker is
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  Speaker 2: about five minutes down the road from some friends of
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  Speaker 2: mine that I've known since college. I was actually in
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  Speaker 2: their wedding and then a few weeks later I saw
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  Speaker 2: them and they were like, dude, what the heck you
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  Speaker 2: were five minutes from us. You didn't even tell us.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, you're right. I apologize. So if
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  Speaker 2: you guys are listening, Ted and Chelsea, I'm sorry that
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  Speaker 2: I didn't see you a year ago, two weeks before
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  Speaker 2: I saw you anyway.
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  Speaker 1: So what a jerk. Something I'm noticing about this beer
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  Speaker 1: is there's some sediment in there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's an unfiltered beer, and it's pretty hazy,
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  Speaker 1: like you can't see through that at all. If you're
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  Speaker 1: watching on YouTuber Spotify, you can kind of see what
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  Speaker 1: the beer looks like on camera here. But yeah, there's
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  Speaker 1: definitely some sediment in there, which isn't normal like unusual.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it's somewhat normal in beer like some of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite beers, like Oberon from Bells is an unfiltered
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  Speaker 1: beer and you see the sediment. I wish I would
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  Speaker 1: have known that, because my brother in law taught me
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  Speaker 1: that poor like ninety percent of the beer and then
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  Speaker 1: you swirl the last ten percent and dump it in
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  Speaker 1: just to mix everything up really good. But maybe on
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  Speaker 1: my next poor I'll do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think we should read the description because
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  Speaker 2: this one actually has one though.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The Ladder cream Ale from Fire Truck Or Brewery. On
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  Speaker 2: their can, they've written, We're turning light beer on its
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  Speaker 2: head with this full bodied cream ale. This hazy goodness
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  Speaker 2: is chock full of rolled oats and flaky barley to
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  Speaker 2: give your mouth the thick, creamy feeling it craves, crack
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  Speaker 2: it open and chug it down. It's Ladder Season six
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  Speaker 2: point five thirty two. IBus that's the bitterness. Uh, I'm
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  Speaker 2: ready to just give this one a try.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it. Let's call definitely creamy.
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  Speaker 2: I'll get that, and I'm not getting any off flavors
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  Speaker 2: or no weird tastes. So I don't think we ruined it. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: I can taste the oats definitely, like I don't. I
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  Speaker 1: don't have oatmeal like every morning, but I definitely frequent
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  Speaker 1: oatmeal in the mornings as a breakfast food. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can taste that. And what else did it say?
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  Speaker 1: It had flaked barley?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Nice, So that's probably the sediment that we're seeing too.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully it's not the can breaking apart inside because we've
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  Speaker 2: been so mean to it. I don't think so. It's Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's a nice hazy beer, good head retention, nice beer flavor.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if there's it's smooth, creamy. I like
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  Speaker 2: it a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, really good beer. Definitely would happened again. I
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  Speaker 1: like a good creamil I remembered, So I'm getting ahead
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  Speaker 1: of myself a little bit, but my memory was just
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  Speaker 1: jogged just in this moment. So I'm gonna set this
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  Speaker 1: up really quick. I'm gonna kind of preview where we're
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  Speaker 1: going with this episode and preview where we're going a
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  Speaker 1: few episodes from now, and then I'll get to how
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  Speaker 1: my memory was jogged. So we actually just got back yesterday, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: from filming a brew hop two point zero friend of
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  Speaker 1: the shot was along. It was a really good time.
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  Speaker 1: We are still in the process of putting together all
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  Speaker 1: the footage, but we do have some plans here in
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  Speaker 1: just a few minutes to kind of give you guys,
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  Speaker 1: our audience kind of a little preview, not of any
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  Speaker 1: of the breweries that we went to, but some of
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  Speaker 1: the conversations we had in the car. We ended up
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  Speaker 1: with more footage than we needed, and we thought, well, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we'll take some of the more relevant stuff, and so
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about that in a second. But one of
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  Speaker 1: the breweries that we did visit is one of our
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  Speaker 1: favorite breweries from our college days. And I'll save the
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  Speaker 1: surprise for episode one hundred, but Tricycle was the name
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  Speaker 1: of the cream ail from that brewery that they used
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  Speaker 1: to brew and I would buy it at the store
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  Speaker 1: all the time when I lived in that town. You
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  Speaker 1: mentioned it on our brewery, I did, but I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: remember the name. And that's why I like my memory
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  Speaker 1: was just jogged right now, like, oh yeah, Tricycle was
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  Speaker 1: the name of that beer. Nice Tricycle Because I think
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  Speaker 1: I think the the concept was like it was kind
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  Speaker 1: of an ipa. It was kind of a lagger and
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of a creamil.
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  Speaker 2: Like all oh, okay, the trice like the trace that
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  Speaker 2: got it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So this reminds me of that a lot, and
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  Speaker 1: it's really good.
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  Speaker 2: Sweet. Yeah, good job, fire Trucktor. I really like it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad we have two of these each.
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  Speaker 1: For sure.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry you caught me mid six I did, and then
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  Speaker 2: I kind of burped a little bit. So sorry listeners
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  Speaker 2: for the last six seconds of our podcast. Hopefully you
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  Speaker 2: stuck around for the rest of it.
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  Speaker 1: So I think this would be a good chance to
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  Speaker 1: transition into a little bit of the conversation that we
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  Speaker 1: had in the car. Friend of the show Forest was
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  Speaker 1: there with us, and we talked about a Viking who
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  Speaker 1: signed a nice little contract extension.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it was a good conversation.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna drop you into that right now. We'll catch
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  Speaker 1: you on the other side.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So there is one piece of news that came
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  Speaker 2: out today. I'm not sure when the episode's gonna come out,
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  Speaker 2: but today it was announced former Michigan Wolverine current Vikings
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  Speaker 2: sign an extension. Josh Vintellus got what was it, three years,
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  Speaker 2: thirty something million dollar extension?
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  Speaker 3: Didn't you say it? Was like up to forty two
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  Speaker 3: million dollars or yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like a max of like forty two and something like
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  Speaker 2: twenty five million guaranteed. Either way, another good extension for
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  Speaker 2: a really nice piece of the Florettes defense. Mattel's has
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  Speaker 2: been a very important player on the team for the
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  Speaker 2: last few years and it's really been fun to watch
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  Speaker 2: him flourish. And I couldn't be more excited that he
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  Speaker 2: that he's signed an extension. He's with the team again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's a super valuable asset on the defensive
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  Speaker 1: side of the ball, and not just because he's got
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: good dance moves, but he is and we've talked about this,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like a lot since we started our podcast.
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  Speaker 3: He is kind of the Swiss Army Knife of the defense,
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  Speaker 3: right like he he.
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  Speaker 1: I think at one point a couple of seasons ago,
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  Speaker 1: the Fox broadcast crew put together a list of all
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  Speaker 1: the different positions he's lined up at in a game,
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  Speaker 1: and it was lengthy. He's played pretty much every position
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball, and he's a
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  Speaker 1: safety by trade, but he's just so versatile and he
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  Speaker 1: brings the energy on that defense, and I think the
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: dance moves are a part of that too, Like, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's a good thing that he does that, and
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  Speaker 1: I think the other guy's feed off of that, and
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  Speaker 1: when they get the momentum going, he forces a turnover
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  Speaker 1: or makes a big tackle or makes a big sack
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, that just gets everybody else going. So, but
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  Speaker 1: you were talking for us, he hasn't always been as
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  Speaker 1: good as he is now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, first of all, I mean kudos. I mean he's
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  Speaker 4: made a name for himself, specifically with the Vikings, well
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  Speaker 4: known around the league.
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  Speaker 2: Though I'd say.
• 10:48
  Speaker 4: Being Michigan, obviously he had some great talents coming to
• 10:52
  Speaker 4: high school. I would say he was always good at Michigan,
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  Speaker 4: and he actually just played linebacker at Michigan, so I
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  Speaker 4: don't recall him ever playing in the safety position in college.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe he did, but he was mainly a linebacker there.
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  Speaker 4: He was always good, but never someone I would have
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  Speaker 4: thought to be as good as he ended up with
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  Speaker 4: the Vikings at this stage in his career.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm thankful he's on the team and he's
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  Speaker 2: a captain and a pivotal part of the defense, and
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  Speaker 2: sometimes everywhere on the defense. He kind of reminds me
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  Speaker 2: of like a modern day Troy Polamalu and that he's
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  Speaker 2: just lining up everywhere, and that's that's nice to have
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: right now when you know Harrison Smith he's on the
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: team still, but this might be the last year that
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: we have Harrison Smith.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, his days are numbered for so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but to know that Mattelis is going to be
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  Speaker 2: on the team for the next at least three years,
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  Speaker 2: that's nice to know because he's he's a good football
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  Speaker 2: player and it's good to have those good football players
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  Speaker 2: on your football team.
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  Speaker 3: It's fun to.
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  Speaker 1: Watch, Yeah, for sure. He also kind of creates some
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: content like we're doing. He's got his own little tell
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  Speaker 1: us with Mattelis a little bit that he puts out
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  Speaker 1: on social media for the vikings. So he goes around
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: kind of like man on the Street style and just
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: asks his teammates in the locker room different goofy questions.
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  Speaker 1: And didn't they start that like probably ten years ago
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  Speaker 1: with Brian Robinson.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like ninety six questions with Brian Robinson.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was same kind of same concept, but
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  Speaker 3: doing the.
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  Speaker 2: Quick interview spots with his teammates in the locker room,
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, they're always fun and lighthearted and really entertaining
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  Speaker 2: to watch.
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  Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah, yeah, he's just he's an overall
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  Speaker 1: just quality guy, quality player, and I'm excited. I think
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  Speaker 1: he's the type of guy that once he gets paid,
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  Speaker 1: he's not the one that's just gonna sit back and
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  Speaker 1: rest on his laurels.
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna come out and show out.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to prove that he's worth the you know,
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  Speaker 1: ten eleven million dollars a year that they're now paying him.
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  Speaker 2: I do think it's kind of funny that training camp
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  Speaker 2: just started in the last few days and he's he's
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: been with the team. He you know, he's doing things
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  Speaker 2: very you know, above the board, like he's he's being
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  Speaker 2: a very good teammate about this while still probably advocating
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  Speaker 2: for a contract that he rightfully got today. But he, uh,
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  Speaker 2: he's kind of been out of practice a little bit
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  Speaker 2: due to what the team was calling, like an ankle
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  Speaker 2: soreness or something.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it's funny that.
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: I think it'll be interesting to see how his ankle
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: is doing now that that contract is signed, because if
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: you remember, what was it a year or two ago, TJ.
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: Hockinson was heading into the last year of his deal,
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: and you know, darn it, he was at camp, but
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: he had some like back soreness and they're kind of
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: hold him out of practice a little bit. And then
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: he signed that that contract extension, and you know what,
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: that back soreness went away real quick. So I think
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: Mittellis's foot issue is gonna go.
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  Speaker 3: Away real quick.
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  Speaker 4: Every player has their way to deal with soreness. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and hey if it gets them where he needed.
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  Speaker 1: To be, you know, and maybe not just physical soreness,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, soreness towards the organization about not paying
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: them what they feel.
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  Speaker 4: Like they're Well, I think you said it right. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: how often do you see him just do all the
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: different positions on your team on that defense? He's usually
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: you know healthy. I mean he I don't recall a
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: time where he's been injured for long periods of time.
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: So he's dependable in that aspect. And yeah, I think
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  Speaker 4: he's uh, just goes about his business. I don't think
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: he tried to put this, you know, out in the
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: forefront like some players do of hey, I you better
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: give me more money or I'm looking for a trade.
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: I think he handled it professionally.
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: Well, and I think that's a testament obviously to him,
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: but also I think that's a testament to the Vikings
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: because I'm sitting here trying to think, when's the last
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: time the Vikings had like a public contract dispute or
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: long standing situation where a player wants a new contract
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: and it came out into the public and into the
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: media that the Vikings had an issue with a player
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: or a player had an issue with the Vikings. I
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: feel like since quays has been there, and I mean
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: Rix Bielman did a good job for the most part too,
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: but definitely since Quaysy has been with a team, they've
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: they've been really good about keeping business behind closed doors
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: and every player saying the right thing. I think about
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: all the players that have signed, I mean Mattela's most recently,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Christian Darisaw got a massive deal.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: TJ.
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  Speaker 2: Hockinson got a massive deal, Justin Jefferson got a massive deal.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: A lot of these big, difficult contracts to sign, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think I did. Yeah, a lot of these things
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: have gotten done behind closed doors. Not to say every
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: conversation with all of those contracts were nice and easy
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: and pleasant and fun. But if they weren't fun and pleasant.
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  Speaker 2: None of that got out in the public. So kudos
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: to the Vikings and the players and the kinds of
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: players that they put on their team for all of
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: that business to get done nice and clean. And we
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: don't have to sit here and be like, oh, I
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: hate Mattelis because he's a jerk because all he cares
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: about is money. That's not the case and that hasn't
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: been the case for any player.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that too, just bodes really well for
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: the team going into the season, because then they know,
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  Speaker 1: like the group of guys, those fifty three guys that
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: they're gonna have in the locker room, they're committed, they're
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: bought in. They're not these you know, prima donnas who
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: are just there for the money.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: They're gonna go out and play.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: They're gonna go play ball really hard, and they're gonna
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: hit people.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: They're gonna, you know.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Try to do everything that they possibly can to win
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: games for this team.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: And that's what you want. And I feel like I
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: feel like the Vikings.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Think I've said this probably the past couple of weeks
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: now on our podcast, the Vikings have good reason to
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: be optimistic right now heading into the season. Most teams
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: are optimistic at this point, but I think the Vikings
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: have really good reason to be optimistic. There's no there's
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: no shallowness there, there's a lot of depth and I'm
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: excited to see how that plays out.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: So I think the whole being good in business idea
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: just bodes well for the organization as well. When it
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: comes to free agents and current players that are looking
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: to re sign with the team, I feel like they're
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: agents if they know, hey, the Vikings are good to
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: work with, they take care of players fair compensation. Like
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: it's got to be getting around the league that hey,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: if you go to Minnesota like it's they're good on business,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: you're gonna get paid fairly and take care of you.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Whereas you get teams right now like the Bengals, who
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I feel like currently have a bad rap where it
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: seems like they don't want to pay their players. Not
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: that you have to give everybody the most MAX deal
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: ever just because they're an NFL player, but I feel like,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know, if you were a free agent and
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: the Bengals and their current reputation gave you a call,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: you might be like, ah, no, you're tough to deal
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: with and it's hard to you don't pay the people
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: that you should pay, you know, Whereas if you get
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: a call from the Vikings, you might think, hey, that
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: seems like a good organization to be at. They're gonna
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: take care of me. So I feel like that's probably
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: a good thing. Yeah, I think it's probably both ways.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, depending what players your team your organization has.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: I think some players are just gonna make a big
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: stink of things and draw it out into the public eye.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: But like you said, I agree with you. Kudos to
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: both the players and the Vikings front office for handling
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: it professionally and it speaks values.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: To that.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: All right. So that was just like literally the tip
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: of the iceberg from our brew hop two point zero.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: We're gonna be releasing the full thing, episode one hundred.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: That's just a few weeks away, so make sure you're
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: tuned in for that. Make sure you got notifications turned on,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: you like, subscribe all that good stuff, so when it
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: comes out you can be notified of that. But such
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: a blast. That trip was awesome.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I was really tired when I got alle me too,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: but I had a lot.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Of fun and we hit up some of the awesome
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: breweries Iowa has that we didn't have the chance to
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: hit up last year in the brew Hop one point
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: oh because it was a different direction, only two guys
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: three guys, depending on which one point oh or two
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: point oh we were on.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: But well, and we even hit up some breweries that
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: we weren't planning on hitting up, which I thought was
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: kind of cool because as we got to some breweries,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: they started recommending other breweries and now, oh yeah, you
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: guys got to check out this one. So that kind
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: of dictated our path and that was kind of fun too.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: It was a lot of fun. Yeah, I can't wait
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: until the next brew hop.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, next year.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we're in this year and the NFL season
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: is about to start. I think the Hall of Fame
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: game is like three days away, isn't it? This coming week?
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Friday? Or Saturday night?
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: This week?
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Isn't it?
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: So once the Hall of Fame games here, like we're here,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: every team is in training camp already, we're starting to
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: hear some of those like oh he's looking good, or
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: oh they're looking bad, or even I've seen a couple
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: injuries like ACL tears already. You know, in the league
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: a little bit, but yeah, the Vikings are in training camp.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: They have an injury of their own right now. That's
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: pretty concerning when you first hear about it. But uh,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: justin Jefferson, he said a couple of days ago, he's
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: kind of holding himself back out of practice a little
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: bit because of some hamstring tightness, is what they're saying.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: And then the league or not the league. The team
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: even like did their whole like social media. The app
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: posted an update saying something like Jefferson's going to be
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: out of practice today for out of caution for hamstring tightness.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: They're saying, it's not concerning, But are you concerned yet about.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Well, you seemed concerned when you texted me about it,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: because you texted me, I don't know, a tweet or
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: the Vikings article or whatever it was, and you're like,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: burn it down. Season's over. Who are we going to
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: take with the first draft back?
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I think I even tweeted that from the school hop.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: So I'm definitely not panicking. And I think we were
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: talking about this before recording. But I think there's a
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: difference between a training camp injury and a regular season injury,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: and there's probably even a difference between training camp injury,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: regular season injury, and we're going to the playoffs or
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: we're in the.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Playoffs kind of a playoff hunt.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Injury, you know. Like, so I think this is the
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: least concerning of them, especially given its mild nature. It's
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: not a torn acl it's not a like, well, season's over,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: you know, hope for something better next year. It is
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: what it is. You were even saying, you know, there
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: could be some conspiracy around, like, well, you know, is
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: he upset about his contract and kind of holding out
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: a little bit? Is he protesting? Is he you know,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: is he just being overly cautious? Are the trainers being
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: overly cautious with him not allowing him to you know,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm not panicking. I'm not worried
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: about it. I Mean we saw him put up amazing
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: numbers on I don't know how many games did he
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: play two years two seasons ago.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I think nine or ten, so not like two of
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: the season.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's still shattering records and you know, blazing
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: a trail for himself that is going to be tough
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: for anybody to match.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. So Yeah, So to be clear, I was
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: totally joking when I said burn it all to the ground.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Who are the Vikings gonna take with first?
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Overall?
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Pick, I believe the team and him when they're saying like, yeah,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: it's just a little bit of soreness. We were being
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: super cautious and he's gonna be perfectly fine. I do
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: believe it when they say that. But I did tell
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: you a little while ago, like I'm the cynic that
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: usually if you hear even at all that a guy
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: is looking for a new contractor or anything like that, like, oh,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he's got, you know, a little
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: back soreness or a little reason that he's just not
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: going to be practicing.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Allah.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: TJ. Hockinson a couple of years ago when he had
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: some back tightness, and even at the time, the team
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: was like and hey, he and the team were all
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: saying like, no, no, no, this isn't about the contract
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: or anything. It's it's just you know, precautionary holding out
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: of practice. But then TJ. Hockinson, once he signed his
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: big contract extension, man, that back healed up real quick
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: and he was right back at practice. We kind of
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: even saw that a little bit with Josh Mattelis because
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: over the weekend he signed his well deserved contract extension,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: and before that he was kind of being held out
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: of practice because of like an ankle or a with
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: soreness injury, and lo and behold today their first padded practice.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: He was right in there suddenly, right after that contract extension.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: So I think it's funny and I think we even
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: just talked about it here in the segment everybody just
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: listened to from the brew hop. These players only have
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: so much leverage sometimes and if kind of holding in
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: is one thing that they get to do to hopefully
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: get the money they deserve, I'm all for it. Just
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: you know, don't run the ringer.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Who has more leverage, the team or the player. I
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: wonder and that the player's representation like, because I mean,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: the player could say, well, no, I'm not gonna I'm
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: not gonna practice because of xyz injury. But I wonder
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: if the team also can say, well, here's your new
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: contract extension, but you're gonna play tomorrow.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Well, that's kind of the that's the stipulation in this
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: scenario where the player is like feigning injury, that's kind
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: of the expectation and That's one of those things. The
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: conversations in you know, behind closed doors are a lot
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: more detailed than what ESPN knows or what we know
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: in your basement and all that to say, I don't
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: necessarily think that's the situation right now with Justin Jefferson. No,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: what was it? Just over a year ago he signed
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: the contract to be the highest paid non quarterback in
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: NFL history, although TJ. Watt broke that record, and I
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: think even before then Jamar Chase had had broken Justin
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Jefferson's record, So it wouldn't be completely shocking if Jefferson
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: had some kind of, hey, I need a little bit
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: of a pay raise. I don't see that though, and
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: we haven't heard any inkling of that in rumors or
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: reports or anything like that. But so I do think
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: this hamstring tightness is probably legitimate.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: One it is, and if it's the same one that
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: was injured.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: A few years I think. I think when it first
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: got reported a few days ago on Twitter, I think
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: whoever tweeted it, or at least the first one I
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: saw it, said it's the other hamstring than the one
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: that he missed seven games for a couple of years ago. However,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know how much that matters right now. I
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: do believe it's a true tightness and they're being super
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: cautious with the best player in the league. But it
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: would be kind of interesting if out of nowhere they announced, like, hey,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson got you know, another one to two year
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: extension that added so much money, and then boom, he's
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: right back at practice. That would be kind of funny
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: to me, and I'd raise my eyebrow. I don't expect
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: that to happen.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: No, I don't either. I also wonder, just with the injury,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: not the contract stuff, if because if it truly is
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: the other hamstring, if there's like some overcompensation like he
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: did injure the other one legitimately and it held him
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: out of a handful of games two years ago. So
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I wonder if he's putting more pressure when he's running
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: routes and stuff on the other one. Oh that's what
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: caused the injury. That happens all a lot, and as
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: a coach, you know, of athletes, I think about that
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff all the time, like, oh, yeah, that
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: could be the reason why so.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: And maybe but that was more than a full season
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: ago that he dealt with all that stuff. So I
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: don't know. The thing is, we never really know, We
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: don't ever have all the details, and as long as
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: he's playing like that's that's all that really matters.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Well, remember a couple of years ago, all the players
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: were like, oh, turf sucks. Turf sucks. And now we've
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: had all of these achilles injuries, Kirk Cousins, Aaron Rodgers,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: that all happened on grass.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so and the guy the linebacker in the Super
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Bowl a few years ago for the forty nine ers,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: like was stepping out on the field and popped his
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: achilles yep. Yeah, I think some of those can be
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: fluke though. Yeah, they're they're big name players that get hurt,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: but it's still only like two or three so it
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: feels like a lot more because it's you know, Aaron Rodgers,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: who at the time was coming off an MVP like season.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: You know, like, but I don't know, they're there's a
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: lot of things that are fun to talk about. Do
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: you think this is a real hamstring injury or.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Is it I tend to think it's real. I wouldn't
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: sit here and say, oh, he's you know, he's holding out,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: he doesn't want to practice. I just don't think he's
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: that kind of guy. I think it's purely precautionary because
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: he is the best player on the team and arguably
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: one of the top five players in the league, top
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: ten players in the league. Like he knows his worth
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: extends beyond the franchise itself, and he's important to the
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: league beyond the Vikings. And I think it's just you know, hey,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: we're going to take it easy. It's July. We don't
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: have any reason to overdo it, to push it. Let's
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: just let you get fully healthy. And when we get
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: to September and October, we need you healthy, we need
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: you ready because we need to be winning games during
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: those months.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Well, and think about it too, that season couple seasons
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: ago when he missed all those I think it was
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: seven games because of the hamstring injury. At the time
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: we're recording this right now, it's Monday night, exactly six
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: weeks from the Vikings first game. So even if he
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: were to actually get a hamstring injury, you'd think by
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: that kind of timeline he'd be fine for a week. One.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Be cautious. Be cautious with him as much as possible.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: He doesn't need the practice reps, although it is with
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: a young quarterback that he's never played in games with before,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: so that chemistry is pretty important. But this also gives
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy a chance to build chemistry more with other
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: guys too.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: And the thing about Justin Jefferson is he's always been
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the type of receiver that you don't need to pinpoint him.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: You can put the ball in his area and he
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: will get it. Like ye, he's that Randy Moss. He's
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: not the same type of receiver Moss was because he's
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: not as big and doesn't have the same armspan, but
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: like Moss was the same way. You just get it
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: within five yards and he's gonna catch that ball, and
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I think Justin Jefferson is about the same, Like it
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: almost doesn't matter who's throwing the ball to him, as
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: long as it's not like this really blatant interception that
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: was a horrible decision by the quarterback and then yeah,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: put it up there and he's probably gonna come down
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: with it, and then he's probably going to rack up
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: a bunch of yards after catch. Allah the ninety eight
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: yard touchdown that he scored or ninety seven yard touchdown
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: that he scored Week two, I think against the Niners
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: last season. That's who he is now. This might also
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: give JJ McCarthy a better chance to develop chemistry with
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: some of the other guys. TJ Hawkinson, Jordan Addison. Who
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: are the other.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Receiving There's Tristian Jackson, There's a Jalen Naylor, There's ty Felton,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: the rookie. There's the other Bolden Bowden. But whoever the
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: other No, he's that was a safety that already got
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: cut on. Yeah, him the like Texas kicker Turner, who's
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: a wide receiver, the new number eighty three on the
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: team after Jalen Niller just switched to number one. But yeah,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: there's there's a lot of guys, and it's only good
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: to get more experience with other guys too, because he's
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: gonna get the time with Justin Jefferson. Yeah. The sense
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I get from both both JJ's is that they will
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: both put in the time even if they the two
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: of them have to stay after practice and throw, you know,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: another fifty balls to each other just to get that
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: chemistry going a little bit more. So, I'm not concerned yet.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I don't think you are yet either.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: No, And I think I mean, we've said this, I
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: feel like in the last couple episodes, and I know
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: we're gonna say it in episode one hundred because I
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: just know we just got finished doing all that content.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: But every team at this point, end of July early
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: August training camp is just underway. Every team in the
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: league is optimistic. Every team is you know, super Bowl
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: or bust. We're gonna win it all, We're gonna win
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: the division, blah blah blah. But I said on episode
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: or I will say predicting the future here on episode
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: one hundred, I will say that the Vikings have a
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: legitimate reason to be optimistic. And I think I said
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: that a few weeks ago too, and I don't know
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: episode ninety six or ninety seven or something like that,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: So I stand by that. I think everything the Vikings
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: have done this offseason, all of Quasi's moves as a
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: GM have been really good. He brought in some really
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: good players, signing key contract extensions with a ton of
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: big names. Brian Flores is coming back this year. Kevin
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: O'Connell's going into his fourth year with one of the
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: best winning records of a fourth year head coach going
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: into his fourth season, like the optimism is high for
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: a good reason. It's not this flimsy, shallow we're going
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: to fall apart in Week one kind of thing. Now,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the Vikings will lose games. I'm not saying that they're
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: gonna go maybe seventeen and h but I don't know.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Optimism is high. JJ McCarthy, he's looking really good, and.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what everybody's saying. We're hearing. Every day seems
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: to be a halfway decent day for JJ McCarthy. You
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: see those troll Twitter accounts that'll post a video from
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: two years ago of Kirk Cousins throwing an interception and
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: the caption will be like JJ's throwing his eighth interception today.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Those are bs. But everything I've actually heard is that
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: JJ's doing well, looking good, Chemistry is good. Offense is
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: a little bit further behind than the defense right now, apparently,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: But that's also what you get right at the beginning
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: of training campus that the defense is usually more put together,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: or at least it looks like they are more put
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: together because they're defending, and offenses are learning the playbook
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: just as much too. So everything so far early training camp.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Knock on wood has sounded good. The only injury concern
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: we've really seen is this tight hamstring tightness from Justin Jefferson.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: JJ's looking good. You're hearing good things about rookies. There's
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: a undrafted free agent cornerback who apparently is looking okay.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm pretty high on the Vikings right now.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I said, I think we have really
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: good reason to be excited about our team. Kevin O'Connell
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: in his tenure with the Vikings and Koisiadopa Mensa for
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: that matter, those guys haven't disappointed. Like even season one
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: when they won twelve games, right or was it thirteen
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: games three years thirteen? And yeah, I mean like that
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: was totally unexpected. Nobody thought the Vikings were going to
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: win that many games make it to the playoffs. Albeit
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: it was not great once they got to the.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Playoffs, but they'll get there.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: But yeah, and then his second season two years ago,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: you know, you have the JJ injury, Justin Jefferson, that is,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: you have the Kirk Cousins injury, and you still are
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: battling and we're fighting for a playoff spot all the
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: way to the end of the season. And missed the
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: playoffs by just ever so much and made Kevin O'Connell specifically,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: you know, made it work with this ragtag group of
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: backup quarterbacks, which was incredible. And then last season you
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: have this quarterback kind of question mark in camp. Sam
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Donald comes in as the proverbial bridge quarterback and JJ
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: McCarthy is the young rookie just trying to maybe prove
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: himself in camp, and then he goes down with an injury.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: The keys are handed to Sam Donald indefinitely, and Sam
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Donald comes out and wins fourteen games. Yeah, and I
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: mean I don't know all of that and so much more.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: The defense is incredible. Brian Flores added a whole bunch
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: of new two rules to his arsenal, and Brian Flores
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: is back, which is important. It would be a totally
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: different ballgame if we had a new defensive coordinator.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Which may be the case a year from now. We've
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: said that for Yeah, there is the every I think
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: one of the first things we talked about on the
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Skull Hop the podcast at All episode one, we did
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: talk about Brian Flores and how we were excited about him,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: but we hope he's a one and done because then
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: that means the defense would have been so great and
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: we've gotten the best of all of it because the
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: defense has been so great and he wasn't a one
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: and done.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, optimism is way up here, way high. Can't wait.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I'm excited. Let's get to September.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Vegas a year ago right now, I'm pretty
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: sure the Vegas over under win total for the Vikings
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: was like six and a half, seven, seven and a
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: half depending on which sports.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: But they did was double that.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that all they did was double it. Vegas is
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: a little bit more excited about the Vikings this year
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: than they were this time last year.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I still think they're wrong.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: I do too. I hope they're wrong. It would be
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: terrible if they were dead right. But currently, and I
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: guess I don't know what sports book specifically you looked at.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: This was on ESPN and it just says on the
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: article odds as of publication time for the latest odds,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: visit ESPN bet.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, So ESPN bet.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: And these are this is the over underwins. Yeah, what
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: we're specifically talking about right now.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: As of right now, they've got the Vikings at eight
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: and a half wins. Yep, more or less, so.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Which is tied for If eight and a half wins
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: can't get eight and a half wins, you have either
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: eight or nine. But if we were to take the
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: odds in the NFC North as ESPN bet gives us,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: the Vikings would be tied for last in the NFC
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: North with the Bears right at eight and a half wins.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the whole NFC North. On the sportsbook you
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: looked at here, the Vikings had eight and a half,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: the Bears had eight and a half, the Packers over
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: under his nine and a half, and then the Lions
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: are ten and a half, and I wholeheartedly disagree with
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: all of those. I think the Lions will be more
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: like seven and a half. That's where I really yeah,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: they're losing their masterminds on offense and defense. All they
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: have now is the head coach who it's just bullheaded
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: and makes stupid calls and gets bailed out by his coordinators.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: And goes for it on fourth down all the time.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: The Packers, I think they might be the closest. Nine
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: and a half might be pretty accurate for them. They
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: might even go over that because I think Matt Lafour
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: is a good coach, and I think you know Jordan Love.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: He's no Aaron Rodgers or Brett Favre, but he's not
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: hair serviceable starter. And the Bears, I really think they
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: may have a good prognosis for the next few seasons,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: but I don't I don't really know how good they're
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: going to be with a brand new coach and a
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: quarterback that never really got a good chance last year.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: The Bears are kind of a wild card for me,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: but I still think it's not going to be like
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: a ten win season for them. I think I think
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: the Vikings are winning the division. I think they're getting
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: definitely more than ten wins. I think it's gonna be
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: a good year for the Vikings.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: So redraw the odds. What would you say?
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: What did I say?
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: We won't hold you to it, But right now, on
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: this day, what would you say? I said the Lions
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: would be seven and a half wins.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I think the Bears will be about that too. Okay,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: So Lions and Bears both seven and a half packers.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: I think nine and a half is pretty fair, and
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: the Vikings, I'd say easily ten and a half, if
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: not eleven and a half.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, because eleven and a half is the top
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: of the league. That's super Bowl.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: That's I'm not saying super Bowl, but I'm saying a
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: lot of wins win.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Eagles, the Buffalo's, Buffaloes, the Buffos, Bills, the Eagles, the Bills,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: the raven and the Chiefs are all eleven and a
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: half wins according to this. So you're putting the Vikings
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: up there with the four best teams from last season.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: If JJ McCarthy is both healthy and anywhere close to
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: what we think he will be With Kevin O'Connell, yes,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: I think the Vikings are right up there. They should
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: make a deep playoff run. If you look, Kevin O'Connell's
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: had what three seasons so far. One of them he
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: lost his quarterback and the wheels fell off and still
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: didn't do terrible. I mean, what was it, seven to
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: eight wins.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: He didn't just lose his quarterback, he lost Justin Jefferson
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: arguably one of the best players in the league. We've
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: been saying that since we started this podcast too, and he's,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: like you said, still made it work.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Yep. But in the other two seasons he's had his
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: QB one healthy all year. Yep, and no insanely huge injuries,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: even though last season there were some. I mean, you
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: had Christian Darsaw goo down what halfway through the season,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: and but yeah, healthy quarterback with Kevin O'Connell. He's twenty
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: seven and seven. I just looked that up.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Dang it, twenty seven as a head coach through three years.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: When through that's only including the first season and then
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: last season. Throwing out the twenty twenty three with his starter. Yeah,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: so they were thirteen and four and twenty twenty two
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: and then there were fourteen and two. So twenty seven
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: and six with his starting quarterback healthy all year. That's
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: not an accident. And I know twenty twenty two, some
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: of those thirteen wins where you could say kind of fluky,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: kind of lucky, but there's not a lot of luck
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: in football. It's it's the ball might bounce your way,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: but you're still working hard. There's not too much difference
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: between a seven win team and a twelve win team.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: He would I would add to what you're saying. I
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: would say he is a better head coach now than
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: he was in twenty two, and that's a natural byproduct
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: of being in the league. For three years. But I
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: remember saying in his first two seasons, like clock management
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: isn't good and he needs to take time outs. He
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: needs to, you know, be better in these two minutes,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: the last two minutes of each half. I remember complaining
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: about that a lot, Like the two minute Joe was
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: just yeah, tough for him, and he was he was
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: not good at managing the time well. I think he
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: was more concerned with getting the play that he had
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: in his head out to the quarterback. And then by
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: the time he did that, he looks at the clock
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: and he's like, nah, crap, now, were you know, delay
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: a game we're backing up or the we didn't get
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: the right you know, read on the offensive line and
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: got a false start or whatever.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: And but that didn't seem to be I'm sure it
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: happened a few times in twenty twenty four last year,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't It was insistent, just like what was
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: it Mike Zimmers last year where it was like, Okay,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: the other team has the ball inside of two minutes,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: you can guarantee they're gonna score a touchdown. Like that
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: was just something that consistently happened, and the clock management
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: was consistently an issue in twenty twenty two, But like
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: you just said, I think twenty twenty four and now
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: he may not be perfect, and that he's a lot better.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: And the games that were lost in twenty four were
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: largely because the quarterback fell apart. Yeah, and I don't
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: think it's because he I don't think it's because Kevin
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: O'Connell was calling bad plays or reading the defense wrong.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I think Sam Donald was just flustered when he played
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: the Lions and the Rams and he didn't know what
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, especially in that last regular season game
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: against the Lions when they would have drives in the
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: red zone and Sam Donald just flat out missed throws
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: that he had been making all season long. Yeah. I
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: still were still both diehard Sam Donald fans. I still
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: am a big fan of what he did last year.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Aside from the two games, and those two games, the
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: both Rams games and really both Lions games, so four
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: games those were They make it easier to be super
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: excited to move on to somebody else. All that to say, though,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: I think this Vikings team has only proven when all
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: things are even in healthy, Kevin o'll kind of win
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: some games and that's what I expect this year, twelve
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: eleven twelve wins at least.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Wow, you're really optimistic.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Well, and I like it.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: And if we go back to usually the cynic Yeah,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: but last year when we did the pick them, I'm
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: pretty sure I picked a twelve win season. You did,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: and I got a couple wrong, and that's fine, but
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: I was still pretty optimistic. And I'm just as optimistic
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: right now, if not more so.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, this can maybe be how
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: we kind of close things out if the Vikings are
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: truly that good and we're sitting here in late December
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: early January and we're like, man, yes, this is a
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: great season, We're going to the playoffs whatever. What will
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: be not the only reason, but what will be like
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: the key behind it? Will it be the coaching? Will
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: it be the players? Will it be sheer luck like
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: it wasn't twenty twenty two in some of those games
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: and you know, the biggest comeback in NFL history, that
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: sort of thing, like, what's going to be the X
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: factor for the Vikings this season that gets them to
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: that eleven twelve win mark that you're really high on
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: right now?
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah? So We know a few things already without a doubt.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: We know Kevin O'Connell's a good coach.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: We just spent a long time talking about that.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: You see the last five minutes of our podcast for
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: the reasoning why I'm saying he's a good coach. We
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: also know Brian Flores creates and coaches a really good
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: defense that has performed very well. We've seen it in Purple,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: everywhere else he's been, and everything you know through a
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: couple of days of training camp is saying that's still
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: the case. The defense should still be good, especially with
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: the free agents they've added and the pieces they've added.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: And don't even get me started, apparently Dallas Turner is
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: looking pretty good too, And so we know those two
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: things for sure. Kevin O'Connell's good. The defense is good.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: My lynch pin on this season, What will prove to
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: me if this will be a good season or a
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: bad season is where will JJ McCarthy take this team.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: We all expect him to be at least good. I
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: think there was a take that you've had independently and
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I definitely heard straight from front of the show, Dustin Baker.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: I believe on the infamous unrecorded segment that I did
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: with him. He pounded the table saying JJ McCarthy doesn't
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: have to be MVP, he just has to be okay,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: like just good, Like just don't throw five interceptions, you
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: throw one or two touchdowns a game, and you're not
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: the reason they lose. Then this team is good enough
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: outside of JJ McCarthy to carry a few wins. So yeah,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: my lynch pin, my hinge point is JJ McCarthy, this
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: team will go where he wants to take them.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I want to get, like, I want to dig deeper
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: into that though, Like I want to know because I
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: think this is a really interesting point in time in
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Viking's fan hood because we watched Kevin O'Connell work his
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: magic with these no name quarterbacks. Josh Dobbs played really
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: well for four quarters over the span of two games,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: not knowing anything, Like he was literally meeting his teammates
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: on the sideline at that first game and then like
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: made some magical plays. Jaren Hall, he was okay.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Nick actually wasn't that he was actually needed a lot
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: of work.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: But I still think Kevin O'Connell got the most out
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: of that guy and Nick Mullens, Like we watched it
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: in twenty three with all the quarterback issues that the
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Vikings had. We watched it last year, and I remember
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: watching it two seasons ago in twenty twenty two.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Started a couple of games.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: The guy will come in and play pretty well, and
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: then he's kind of the gunslinger and he gets himself
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: into trouble. But like last year, when Donald would come
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: out for a play or two, Nick Mullens would go
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: out and just throw a dive and get a first
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: down and it was awesome, And then Donald would come
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: back in and just keep doing what he was doing.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: So my question is you say JJ McCarthy is the
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: lynchpin and it will all depend on him. Does that
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: still fall on Kevin O'Connell to get the most out
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: of him? Or is it purely on JJ McCarthy his
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: kind of red shirt rookie year with that amount of experience.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: You know, I think a red shirt rookie's probably the
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: best way to describe him. Is it solely on JJ's
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: shoulders and whatever happens, the Vikings will rise and fall
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: on him this twenty two, twenty three, twenty four year
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: old kid twenty two? Yeah? Or is it on the
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: coach who's piping the plays into his headset and you know,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: helping him navigate all the ups and downs of an
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: NFL game.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I to answer quick and then I'll give
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: some explanation. I think it is the coach. Everything we've
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: heard about JJ McCarthy is he's gonna put in the work.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: He's gonna be the sponge. He's gonna do everything he
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: needs to do. He's gonna be coachable. He's been coached
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: by a really elite head coach in Harbaugh before and
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know his history before that, So yeah, we
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: know he's gonna That's another one of the things we
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: know is that he's gonna try his best and he's
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: a true pro. But I think it does boil down
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: to you can you can be a sponge, but you
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: still need to soak up the good stuff. I think
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell is going to give him the good coaching,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: the good direction, the good schemes, the good plays, and
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: then call the plays based off of you know, how
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: he knows JJ is going to perform. Well, maybe Kevin
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: O'Connell's favorite play doesn't work with JJ McCarthy, So Kevin
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: O'Connell needs to be a good enough coach to know like, okay,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: we need to switch it up. I think, yeah, it
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: is gonna be Kevin O'Connell captaining the ship and JJ
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: McCarthy being a puppet and doing Kevin O'Connell's bidding. I
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: do kind of think. I think Josh Dabbs, he he
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: kind of got a raw deal. Oh yeah with the
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Vikings at all. I think if when they traded for
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Josh Dabbs, if Quacy and the owners had sat down
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: with Kevin O'Connell and said, hey, we're doing it. We've
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: traded for him, we're gonna sign him. We're going all in,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: you know, right after Kirk Cousins just got injured. We're
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: gonna base the next decade of Vikings football. And the
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: first step is to go all in on Josh Stabbs.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: He is QB one forever. I think had that been
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: the case, which would have been insane. You know, his
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: career would have hinged on it. Kevin O'Connell's career would
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: have hinged on it. I think he would have stopped
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: at nothing to make Josh Stabs the best quarterback possible.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: He would have been slower to bench him after a
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: couple bad games. They In that theoretical crazy scenario, Dobbs
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: would have been with the team, you know, a whole
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: off season after that and on the team you know,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: QB one the next next year. Kevin O'Connell would have
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: gotten Josh Doabbs. Right, he has all the physical abilities.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: He's definitely smart enough to figure all this out. I
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: think Kevin O'Connell could have eventually turned Josh Dobbs into
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: a respectable QB one. But that's unfortunately they were still
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: in we gotta save the season mode.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Oh that was a life saver. That was That was
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: a like we gotta try to Yeah, like you're saying,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: try to save the sea.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, but in the nature of saved the season,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: it was, man, Josh Dopps just had a couple of
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: rough games. We gotta save it because we're not out
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: of the playoffs yet and jobs are on the line.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: We're gonna make the switch. And that's when I think
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: they made the switch to I don't know.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Jared Jared Hall for like a game or two, yeah,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: and then he got benched for Nick Mullins.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Because even at that time, Jaren Hall was a rookie quarterback.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: There was still that idea of like, well, Dobbs probably
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: isn't gonna be here long. We know what we have
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: in him, so let's see what we have in Jared Hall.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe we can turn him into QB one. And then
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: it was quickly like oh yeah, never mind, but the
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: season's still in reach, and we know we have a
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Nick Mullens, so let's give him the right. So that
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: was the snip snap, snip snap scenario of it. But
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: I really think had Kevin O'Connell been sat down and said, hey,
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: it's Josh Dopps and either you make him a quarterback
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: or you're fired, he would have figured it out.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: And so, again kind of coming back to what I
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: said a few minutes ago, I think this is a
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: really interesting moment in time, one that we might go
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: back to, hopefully we come back to with like, oh yeah,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: that was like it was it was going into the
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: twenty six twenty five to twenty six season that like
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: optimism was high about JJ McCarthy and that we were
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: right like he is the guy, and we're gonna, you know,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: we're the next dynasty.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Team, you know, like I don't know, gonna be cool.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here and say that we're the
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: next Chiefs or we're the next Patriots or whatever. But like,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: this is super interesting because Kevin O'Connell comes into the
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Vikings in twenty two with Kirk Cousins as his quarterback,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: and we know enough about Kirk Cousins through his Netflix
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: documentaries to know, like he's the consummate team player. He's gonna,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: you know, be very kind, respectful, he's gonna work to
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: he's gonna work hard, and he's gonna try his best
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: to work well with everybody around him. But at the
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: end of the day, he's also a businessman. And I
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: can guarantee you behind closed doors, Kevin O'Connell and Kirk
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Cousins butted heads over playbook things maybe, And I can
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: almost guarantee it because I've I know how I've seen
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: how leadership in other aspects work behind closed doors. And
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: I think Kirk Cousins put on a really good front
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: in the media and he played really well and Kirk
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: can back up his play. But I bet there were
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: some tough conversations with Kirk and Kevin O'Connell, and I
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: think Kevin O'Connell maybe had to take a back seat
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: sometimes to Kirk and say, Okay, if that's what you
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: see when you're playing, and you know, then okay, we'll
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: call it this way and not my way kind of thing.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: And then I think when Sam Donald got there, that
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: was maybe a little different because Sam Donald wasn't this
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: established quarterback and he had been struggling pretty much his
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: entire career in the NFL, and so I think for
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell was kind of like, all right, slate, like,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: I know what I'm talking about. You've struggled mightily in
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: your career. You've had some flashy moments, but you know, right,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: I think it was night and day working with Kirk
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: versus working with Sam. And now he not only has
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: a twenty two year old kid, twenty three year old kid,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: however old JJ McCarthy is, but he's got a guy
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: that he sought after, that he drafted, that he you know,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: made the phone call to on draft night, that now
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: he's worked with for over a full calendar year, you know,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: sitting in film sessions, sitting in practice, you know, piping
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: plays into his year, all that good stuff. How old
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: is he?
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Twenty two?
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Twenty two so I don't know. To me, this is
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: just like it's one of those moments where like I
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: think we'll look back on the twenty five twenty six
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: season and it could be like that, like into Central
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Vikings season, the stars have finally aligned, and I don't know,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: maybe we're being too optimistic.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: I have a little disagreement a little bit. I don't
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: know that there would have been outright arguments or I'm
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: saying heads between cousins.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying Kirk Cousins was, you know, grabbing O'Connell
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: by the shirt like he did Mike Zimmer. I'm not
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: saying that happened, but I could see, like I'm eating
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: like this and Kirk would just like respectfully disagree and say, well,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: if you call that play into the headset and I
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: walk out and see something different, I'm calling an audible
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: whether you call that player or not. Like I could
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: see maybe it wasn't exactly like that, but I could
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: see something like that happening, where like Kirk's experience, I
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: mean they're based. I think Kirk and Kevin O'Connell are
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: like basically the same, very similar. I mean Kirk maybe
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: a year or two younger, than Kevin O'Connell. But it's
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: not like they're like drastically different in age. I could
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: see Kirk kind of throwing his his clout like I'm
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: I'm an experience. I'm a more experienced NFL quarterback than
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: you are. I've been under center more in NFL games
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: than you have. I know what I see, I know
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: how to I know how to navigate those things. Kirk
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: is a good game manager. That's one of the highlights
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: of his play. He's good game manager. He's not, you know,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: he's not the speedster, he's not the like, you know,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: deep arm threat. He's just he's a good quarterback with
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: a good arm. He's pretty accurate, he makes pretty good
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: decisions most of the time, and he manages the game well.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: He's very aware of play clock, game clock, timeouts, all
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: that stuff.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Koc is like four and a half years older than Kirk. Okay,
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: but still, I mean grand scheme of things like they might.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: It's not Bill Belichick and Tom Brady, who are, you know,
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: forty years apart from each other. But yeah, right, but yeah,
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: I think I get what you're saying in that like
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: coaching a thirty what four year old Kirk cousins, who's established,
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: shown success, knows a thing or two, could probably coach
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: himself like coach other people as well. Is probably a
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: way different experience than coaching a Sam Darnold who is
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: not as established twenty seven or a twenty two year
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: a JJ McCarthy, who you would assume is going to
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: take everything Kevin O'Connell says as gold yes and not
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: even think to say no. I don't know about that.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: You know, he's getting to say, yeah, show me how
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: to do it. I'm assuming I don't know how their
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: coach player relationship works. Maybe there is some conversation, but
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: I do feel like, you know, you're coaching a twelve
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: year veteran in the NFL. He might every once in
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: a while be like, hey, I know what you're saying,
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: but this is what I'm seeing, So here's why I disagree.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: And as a coach, that might be a little difficult sometimes.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to put too much on relationship.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say that like Kevin and Kirk were, like,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: you know, the divorced couple that bicker at every little thing.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: You know what? This kind of reminds me of this
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: came up in our brew hop, not on tape or anything,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: but there was a couple of occasions where I was driving,
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: and me as a driver on a road trip, for
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: the most part, I'm gonna follow that GPS, that blue line,
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: and that GPS to me is basically the coach in
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: the equation, and in that equation as a driver, I'm
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: just kind of the quarterback doing what the blue line
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: tells me to do. At one point, I followed the
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: blue line, and respectfully it was kind of joking, but
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: you were like, oh, no, I would have turned there,
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: and I know the blue line says that, and I
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: know what it's doing, but I off really would have
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: turned there because I know mine would have been better.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: And then once we got to the converging point, you
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: were like, yeah, I see that turn right there. That's
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: where we would have come out, and we'd have been
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: five miles ahead of where we are right now. That's
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: that's exactly what I said, And I said, you would
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: have been the Kirk Cousins and like, I'm gonna turn here,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: whereas the blue line coach would have been like, no,
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: keep going straight.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: That's a good comparison. But yeah, I definitely knew better
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: than the GPS.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: We'll never know.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, No, I do know. I know for certain. And
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: I can also tell you that instead of being on
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: these boring four lane highways, we would have taken this
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: really nice, scenic little bypass. You would have seen a monastery.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: There's a monastery over there that we didn't have seen,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: a monaster, Trappist caskets where they make the monks make
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: the caskets. We would have seen that too.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: But I think you are showing that you are the
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: son of a funeral home director, and I don't know's
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: it's coming out a little bit.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: That's fine anyway, Kirk Cousins and Kevin O'Connell were not
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: a bitter no couple. They also weren't in me backseat
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: driving when the GPS said to go one way, And
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: I think we should have gone the other way, even
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: though I was right.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Well, and the main reason I think I might, I
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: don't think i'm fully disagreeing with you, but I'm kind
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: of pushing back on that sentiment that there might have
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: been some pushback between their coach player relationship.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm totally speculating.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know for sure, but everything we heard
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: was that Kevin O'Connell was almost pounding the table to
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: re sign Kirk Cousins rather than let Cousins walk in
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: free agent.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: And I could see that too, for the sake of consistency,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: for the sake of like, okay, maybe after two seasons
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: they did develop some chemistry. But I also think like
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: when Kirk sustained his injury and then he wasn't really
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: around the team, and we saw him crawling into the
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: ocean in Mexico and riding a little scooter in Florida
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: or wherever he was, like he wasn't around the team,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: and that at that point, like you know, we could
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: go back and listen to episodes, and I was pounding
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: the table saying like, oh, Kirk Cousins, We're gonna see
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: him on the sideline next week, because that's never type
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: of teammate he is. And then we never did, and.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: That was actual eventually.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: But I was just super disappointed, like that's not the
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: kind of guy I thought he was, and I think
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: that that proves he's the he's the businessman and like, well, okay,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: I got hurt, I'm still getting paid, so I'm gonna
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: take my family on vacation. Even if that means I
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: have to crawl into the Gulf of Mexico. I guess
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: it's the Gulf of America. Now, I don't know if
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: that's where he was. He might have been at the ocean.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter anyways. But yeah, I mean that that
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: was you know, actions speak louder than words, you know,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: like he could have very well been on the sideline
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: the next week after sustaining his injury at lambeau Field,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: and he wasn't.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: You know, we saw every game on the sideline JJ McCarthy.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: He might. I think there might have been a couple
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: of early ones away games that he didn't travel to.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he traveled to the London game,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: but we definitely saw him on the sideline with the
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: headset in and and there.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: And but again, there's a big difference between a thirty
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: four year old quarterback who's established and who's a solid
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: businessman and a twenty two year old kid who's just
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: coming in the league. And I'm not saying JJ McCarthy's
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: not good at that stuff either, And he might become
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: a really good businessman and might manipulate some good contracts
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: that are both team friendly and player friendly who knows.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: And a part of cousins too. He was at least
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: initially rehabbing and getting surgery on a very significant injury,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: whereas JJ's was significant enough to keep him out for
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: the season. But he was walking around, you know, he
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: wasn't on crutches and stuff. So there is, at least
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: early on for Kirk, there is that aspect to it.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: But eventually, like he could have been I think he
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: was at like the last couple of games, but he
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: could have been on the sideline helping out. I'm sure
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: he was in meetings. Maybe I don't know.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: But yeah, and I think he was at the facility
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: a lot. And you don't see that kind of stuff
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: day to day, week to week unless it's documented in
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: some sort of like Netflix series or something. Weird, right, weird.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: But like even then, we didn't see that, Like we
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: didn't see his rehab process really, like even in the
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: first Netflix series, like we saw him. We saw kind
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: of how he dealt with it at home, and we
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: saw some of the.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: Bit in the first episode of the second season.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: But yeah, anyways, it is what it is now. It's
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: water under the bridge, you know. I still think really
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: highly of Kirk. Do you think differently of him now
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: than I did two or three years ago? But it's
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: not in any bad way, it's just different. Yeah, he's
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: more of a businessman than a team guy, I guess.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: And it's not like he's anti team. But he's also
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: not anti what's good for me and my family and
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: my situation.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: We should all be. We should my family first.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, we should respect that for sure. Something else that's respectable?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Is this beer? Right?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm almost done with my second one here.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. It's a it's a sediment beer. The
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: second one was no different than the first one. I
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: poured it. I remembered to give it a little swirl
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: and dump it in, and then I did see the
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: sediment kind of like tumble around in the glass once
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: I poured it in, which was kind of fun to watch,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: but really smooth, really easy to drink. This actually reminds
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: me of a beer that we had on the brew hop.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what beer do you think I'm thinking of?
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: I got nothing.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: It was at the last brewery we went to, Okay,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: and it was the last beer we had. We all
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: got the same one.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: The corn cream ale.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it reminds me of that for sure.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: I can see that.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: It's not like it doesn't like scream sweet corn. Sure
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: to me, this one doesn't that one did. Like I
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: definitely got some sweet corn vibes out of that, like smooth,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: buttery sweet corn. It was good. But this is this
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: has a sweetness to it. That's it's really good, really.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: Enjoyment to subtle. But yeah, it's not like a super
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: like you're drinking a piece of cake or something now.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: But yeah, there is a little hint of sweetness. I
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: will say, I feel like on the show and a
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: lot recently we have had a lot of beers that
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: are very regardless of color and hop and you know
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: type of beer. We've had a lot of beers recently
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: that are very light and like thin, I don't know.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Like summertime, so like we want that, we want something to.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Kind of drink like a pillsner, even if they're an ipa,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: you know, very very light. This one, while not being thick,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: is definitely and maybe it's the cream part of it.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: It's not thin, it's it feels like a belly filler
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: a little bit. But yeah, and and I mean that
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: in a good way. Like it's it's delicious, it's good.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: There is that hint of sweetness and I like the
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: cream in is to it. But it also like I
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: feel like I'm drinking you know, I feel like I'm
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: drinking a beer rather than throwing back ten or twelve
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: Cores lights, you know what I mean, Like Nick Ultra, Yeah,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: this is a I feel like I shouldn't say it's
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: a heavier beer than a Cores light, but it is.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: It drinks like a heavier craft beer than you know,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: a light pillsner. But it still has that like light
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: sweet flavor to it. So very good and I will
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: have this again. This is right in my wheelhouse to
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: a little bit of haziness six point five percent, which
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: give me those all day responsibly thirty two IBus so
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: not super bitter or anything like that. Yeah, this latter cremail,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: it's it. I'm definitely having this again. This was super good.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff. Good conversation too, Like I felt like,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: even though there's not a lot to talk about, still
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: there's still a lot to talk about, and that's why
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: we keep doing this podcast.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, We're only going to get more things to talk
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: about as the season gets closer and closer and finally here.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Yep, we're ramping up and before you know it, it's
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: gonna be here and we're gonna be talking about actual games.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: I'm going to the preseason game. Oh yeah, that'll be
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: So she takes some pictures or even like a video
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: of the crowd or something like that.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: I'll take some some content pictures, videos.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: Make make it a family trip. Don't make it a
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: content trip. But yes, if the opportunity to presents it,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: So we'll slip.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: In a little content here and there.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Do your kids have jerseys, No, but.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: They have shirts, so they'll they'll wear shirts, the band shirts,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: the tea public shirts. They got pulled down because they
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: say school bikes on them, so they'll wear those. Okay, Okay,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, or one of them. I think
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: one of them has a Jefferson T shirt jersey.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen that. I've seen where your kids wearing that.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: I also have. We've got a couple of jerseys that
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: if you're interested, I could we could land on over
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: if you need or want, but not that you need
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: to wear a jersey in the stadium.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: I'm wearing mine. I'm wearing to ignore ceiling, the Adam
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: feeling one, Adam feeling one that you gave me. I'll
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: wear that nice.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: All right. Well, I've had a lot of fun. This
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: episode has spanned a lot of miles and a few
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: different locations and a lot of great topics. Yeah, you
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: could say this episode, yeah, it could be school school.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: We've spent too much time together in the last couple
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: of days, you know, we've spent a lot of great
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: time together. It's all right, that was great, it's such.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: That was one of the best ones ever.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: That don't they have to make it into the post credits.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: My hand is still stinging a little bit. It's like
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: throbbing in a good way. There, I am supported.