Latest / Thirsty For More - Movie Review / EP182 - Friday The 13th Part II (Thirsty For Gore)
Transcript
- 0:03Speaker 1: Do you remember what is it? It's uh, try try
- 0:10Speaker 1: and try and figure it out from from what I'm doing.
- 0:19Speaker 1: I mean, I recognize it. I don't know. I don't know.
- 0:21Speaker 1: It's from Mario which one? Uh it's actually hold on,
- 0:29Speaker 1: it's it's from I think Mario World. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
- 0:40Speaker 1: I know the one you're talking about. Yeah. Are you ready? Yeah?
- 0:45Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to Thirsty for Gore. I of
- 0:50Speaker 2: course I'm your host, Milan.
- 0:54Speaker 1: I am a nice to meet you and welcome guys.
- 0:59Speaker 2: So before we even start, I think we need to
- 1:02Speaker 2: address the elephant in the room, dude, and that is
- 1:06Speaker 2: the elephant in the room is that you and I
- 1:08Speaker 2: have traditionally never been Jason guys. And not only that,
- 1:13Speaker 2: I think we've been a little bit derisive of Jason.
- 1:18Speaker 2: And I think that nowhere was that more apparent than
- 1:21Speaker 2: in our last episode where we where we really dunked
- 1:25Speaker 2: hard on the Jason franchise, Jason in general, the whole thing.
- 1:30Speaker 1: He's eating the dogs. He was eating the dogs. He
- 1:34Speaker 1: was eating the dogs in this movie. What we'll get to,
- 1:39Speaker 1: but the thing is okay, but I think what's the
- 1:43Speaker 1: talking about? Yeah, just to address Yeah, I'm gonna address
- 1:47Speaker 1: the elephant in the room. Please do. The franchise is no,
- 1:49Speaker 1: I'm kidding. But but the thing is, I like.
- 1:52Speaker 2: I don't because people think you're serious when you do.
- 1:54Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on. Okay, I can't, but I also
- 1:57Speaker 1: can't be in a position where I'm switching between when
- 2:03Speaker 1: I'm talking about a movie versus when I'm talking about
- 2:07Speaker 1: the Lore. Because the Law is cool, there's no denying,
- 2:10Speaker 1: Kay says, you know it's missus. Vorhees is clearly an
- 2:17Speaker 1: abusive mother. That's like a three dimensional thing about her.
- 2:21Speaker 1: Jason is a like a disabled boy who gets bullied
- 2:27Speaker 1: to death. That's an interesting thing. The problem is is
- 2:30Speaker 1: the conflating a movie which is with its low It's
- 2:35Speaker 1: It's it's like being like, well, how could you say
- 2:38Speaker 1: that about Prometheus? How could you say that about Alien Covenant?
- 2:42Speaker 1: The Law is so the best one, the best one.
- 2:45Speaker 1: The Law is so cool. And it's like, yeah, of
- 2:47Speaker 1: course I'm going to acknowledge that the Law is cool,
- 2:49Speaker 1: but I'm also going to be like, you know what,
- 2:51Speaker 1: like as a movie, yeah, as a movie, it's it's
- 2:53Speaker 1: not so great. Having said that, this movie, this movie,
- 2:58Speaker 1: it's a significant step up. It's a step up up
- 3:00Speaker 1: to the streets which we see in the beginning of
- 3:04Speaker 1: this movie. And it's interesting because of the fact that
- 3:09Speaker 1: it does exactly what we were talking about last time,
- 3:11Speaker 1: which was I.
- 3:12Speaker 2: Said, recaps the best part of the last Actally.
- 3:15Speaker 1: I said, like, the movie is just start out closer.
- 3:18Speaker 2: To this than and they replay when first they started
- 3:22Speaker 2: replaying it, and Alice is having the dream about what
- 3:26Speaker 2: happened in.
- 3:26Speaker 1: The last flashbacks.
- 3:28Speaker 2: Well it's a dream though it's not flashback like it's
- 3:31Speaker 2: flashbacks for us, but she's dreaming and she's like tossing
- 3:36Speaker 2: and turning, and it replays the entire movie. Not only that,
- 3:41Speaker 2: like it repraised the whole Missus Vorky's coming. It replays
- 3:45Speaker 2: the Missus Vorky's amazing iconic side glance. Oh yeah, totally
- 3:51Speaker 2: with the glassy smile and the.
- 3:52Speaker 1: Amazing, like crappy fight scene between them.
- 3:56Speaker 2: I like, I know why you're saying it's crappy, but
- 4:00Speaker 2: I think it's amazing.
- 4:01Speaker 1: It's like an amazing fight and I would see that
- 4:05Speaker 1: it's an amazing fight scene in the same way Rebel
- 4:07Speaker 1: rich was were amazing realistic. It's realistic fight scene. It's
- 4:11Speaker 1: like impressive because of how realistic it is.
- 4:14Speaker 2: I agree, and I think I would say the same
- 4:16Speaker 2: thing about the fight scenes in this movie, except Jason
- 4:19Speaker 2: is obviously like a stronger.
- 4:21Speaker 1: Guy, but he's not super huge human ye at all,
- 4:25Speaker 1: which is cool.
- 4:27Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, dude, burlap sack Jason.
- 4:32Speaker 1: For you to burlap sacked Jason, I've never.
- 4:34Speaker 2: Known burlap sacked Jason. I don't think I've seen this movie.
- 4:38Speaker 1: Oh man, it's very exciting for the third one then,
- 4:42Speaker 1: because he's.
- 4:43Speaker 2: If I'm to understand correctly, that's where he finds the
- 4:45Speaker 2: hockey mask.
- 4:46Speaker 1: Of course, Okay, he ditches the burlap and is like,
- 4:49Speaker 1: well it's time for an upgrade, dude.
- 4:51Speaker 2: I mean, we all realize when it's time to you know, rebrand, right, But.
- 4:55Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. But it's also interesting because like the movie
- 4:59Speaker 1: is shorter the the last one recap it's it's it
- 5:04Speaker 1: recaps the best part in the same way that it's
- 5:06Speaker 1: like it like ten of those minutes we're already filmed. Yeah, exactly.
- 5:11Speaker 1: It ratches ratchets up the tension so much more immediately
- 5:15Speaker 1: because we have a closeness to this character, to Dallas
- 5:19Speaker 1: or Hias babies and to to case's point about turning
- 5:28Speaker 1: into a big piece of geese and Louie rats in
- 5:34Speaker 1: a dream Freddy style Frenny style kills.
- 5:38Speaker 2: We have to differentiate between our expectations for Freddy style
- 5:41Speaker 2: kills versus Jason.
- 5:42Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, totally, but it's it is interesting the kinds
- 5:46Speaker 1: of kills that exist within the law of Jason in
- 5:52Speaker 1: this one versus the second one, because the second one
- 5:54Speaker 1: is so in.
- 5:55Speaker 2: This one, you mean, in the first one versus the
- 5:57Speaker 2: second one.
- 5:58Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and the and in the first one versus
- 6:00Speaker 1: the second one, where we get it's so much based
- 6:08Speaker 1: around to twist the first one, twist that like you're
- 6:12Speaker 1: you're limited to the kind of po V stuff that's
- 6:17Speaker 1: that's cool and interesting.
- 6:18Speaker 2: But in this tie, we know it's Jason. This time
- 6:21Speaker 2: we know it's Jason.
- 6:22Speaker 1: But it's also cool because of the fact that like
- 6:24Speaker 1: we get the like feet first, like the stalking very
- 6:28Speaker 1: much both retaining the the like coolness of the po
- 6:34Speaker 1: V stuff, but also feeling like there is like a
- 6:37Speaker 1: very intense scary menace, you know what I mean, So
- 6:41Speaker 1: like he's very.
- 6:41Speaker 2: Looming and scary for sure, his his presence, his body presence,
- 6:47Speaker 2: and like the shoe size, and like the the fact
- 6:51Speaker 2: that it is kind of like he almost looks like
- 6:53Speaker 2: a janitor or something, and janitors when you're a kid
- 6:56Speaker 2: are scary and you just see their feet, you know, small,
- 7:00Speaker 2: You're small, and so you're like somebody in this kind
- 7:03Speaker 2: of outfit, you know, like with the like baggy blue pants.
- 7:07Speaker 1: It's cool. It's cool. And also we get in the
- 7:09Speaker 1: first scene where Alice is like dealing with her trauma
- 7:12Speaker 1: and drawing of course and staying in the town for
- 7:18Speaker 1: some reason, she just lives there now. She just lives
- 7:21Speaker 1: there now, Yeah, exactly doing an airbnb, but like using
- 7:25Speaker 1: the scenes of outside you see Jason stocking, but then
- 7:32Speaker 1: you see like her in the shower and we get
- 7:34Speaker 1: the POV shots, so it's like referencing the first one
- 7:37Speaker 1: in that kind of way, but also being like whoa dude,
- 7:41Speaker 1: Like is it happening. It's using the setup from the
- 7:44Speaker 1: first one as a payoff in this one, which is
- 7:47Speaker 1: very cool, which is like lore building obviously.
- 7:50Speaker 2: Totally and and yeah, and talk about lore, like this movie,
- 7:54Speaker 2: I never realized just how focused on lare did Jay
- 8:00Speaker 2: series was. I don't know if this continues, but like
- 8:03Speaker 2: we get so much more information in this one, and we.
- 8:06Speaker 1: Kind of get it through.
- 8:07Speaker 2: Like, what I'm realizing is cool about Jason that that
- 8:12Speaker 2: isn't true for Freddie is that Freddie is never the
- 8:16Speaker 2: main character of his own movies. He's the main character
- 8:18Speaker 2: in so far as we're excited to see him sometimes
- 8:21Speaker 2: the most, but there's always a protagonist that is pulled
- 8:24Speaker 2: through in a thread of lore, and in this one
- 8:29Speaker 2: he's the main character.
- 8:30Speaker 1: Yeah, he basically is like a weird, tragic guy, which
- 8:37Speaker 1: Case was pointing out.
- 8:38Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's interesting. Oh yeah, it's like it must
- 8:42Speaker 2: be exhausting always rooting for the antihero.
- 8:45Speaker 1: Dude. Yeah, I think Jason knows that it's me. I'm
- 8:52Speaker 1: the problem.
- 8:52Speaker 2: It's me think.
- 8:53Speaker 1: I think Jason is a swifty for sure. Jason definitely
- 8:57Speaker 1: is a swifty and fred fred is a hater and
- 9:02Speaker 1: Freddy is definitely Donald drum Well. You know, you know,
- 9:05Speaker 1: I think.
- 9:07Speaker 2: I think that we should take this opportunity now to
- 9:12Speaker 2: talk about not only Freddy Lare, not only Jason Law,
- 9:16Speaker 2: but swag boy Freddie Laur and.
- 9:18Speaker 1: Swaggy Swagy Freddy. Dude, do you like swaggy Jason? Though?
- 9:22Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen Swaggy Jason, I think
- 9:26Speaker 1: I think.
- 9:26Speaker 2: He appears in some of the swag So for swag Boy,
- 9:29Speaker 2: Freddie is this guy who like does these like hilarious
- 9:33Speaker 2: videos where he's Freddy but he's swag boy Freddy. So
- 9:37Speaker 2: he's sometimes in a hydraulic bouncing car. Sometimes he's he's
- 9:41Speaker 2: drinking drink.
- 9:43Speaker 1: And walking down the street. Cool.
- 9:47Speaker 2: Yeah, and and sometimes Freddy's got a bad bitch on
- 9:50Speaker 2: his side.
- 9:51Speaker 1: Dude, she's so hot. Yeah, she's so hot. But what also,
- 9:55Speaker 1: what's like, what's interesting about the Alice stuff is finding
- 9:58Speaker 1: out U like your her mom is like, hey, dude,
- 10:02Speaker 1: like why what are you doing there? Like you should
- 10:04Speaker 1: just come back, like what's wrong with you? And she's
- 10:07Speaker 1: like I'm dealing with this mom. Let me and which
- 10:11Speaker 1: it was interesting. It was like it's cool, Like it's
- 10:13Speaker 1: cool to have like this kind ofza like a sprit
- 10:23Speaker 1: cold open. It's switza. Yeah, it's nice to have a
- 10:28Speaker 1: cold open. And I love a cold open. When the
- 10:31Speaker 1: when the book letter block graphics that explode the part
- 10:37Speaker 1: to explode, and and also the y Barty the mass
- 10:47Speaker 1: books for my Honor, I hadn't print it up. I
- 10:49Speaker 1: had print it up, print it up. It hypered it
- 10:51Speaker 1: up when when Jason in fact uses the mom's head as.
- 11:00Speaker 2: Like a prop prop, it like a fear prop.
- 11:03Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's it's but it's fully formed and it's
- 11:06Speaker 1: this because this is five years before the movie, before
- 11:10Speaker 1: the the is the movie? Does the movie take place in?
- 11:12Speaker 1: I wonder if it takes like.
- 11:13Speaker 2: The light future? I think the doing slight future.
- 11:16Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think it's like five years after.
- 11:19Speaker 2: And is set in nineteen eighty. It said, I think
- 11:22Speaker 2: it's set in nineteen eighty the first one. I don't
- 11:24Speaker 2: know if they say ever they say how many years later?
- 11:28Speaker 2: It is from like.
- 11:29Speaker 1: The yeah they kills Yeah, yeah, So I'm not sure
- 11:31Speaker 1: what the timeline is anyway we can fact check on.
- 11:34Speaker 1: But but yeah, so the head of missus Vorhees is
- 11:39Speaker 1: in the fridge, and I love that he takes the
- 11:42Speaker 1: tea but the boiling water off the the kettle, like
- 11:47Speaker 1: the the elements and and like you slowly hear it
- 11:52Speaker 1: drain out. And then she Alice opens the fridge and
- 11:56Speaker 1: he's the head and then he stabs her in the
- 11:58Speaker 1: neck and then it's like, you know.
- 12:02Speaker 2: It's it's right, Part two, Part two, and we should
- 12:07Speaker 2: say that we watched the movie on Friday thirty.
- 12:10Speaker 1: I mean, at least I did. You watched it on
- 12:12Speaker 1: Saturday the fourteenth, Guys, the scariest day in the world.
- 12:17Speaker 2: I watched it on Friday the thirteenth, and it was nice.
- 12:20Speaker 2: It was nice watching it during the experience of the day.
- 12:24Speaker 1: Dude.
- 12:25Speaker 2: I think the review which just got saved the Toronto Landmark.
- 12:32Speaker 1: You know it's.
- 12:34Speaker 2: Rep Cinema, Toronto's favorite REP cinema. I mean it's contested,
- 12:39Speaker 2: but one of the Toronto's famous REP cinemas just screened
- 12:43Speaker 2: Part four yesterday, the best one, apparently the best.
- 12:46Speaker 1: One, Part four, Part time, the best one. They got
- 12:51Speaker 1: that dance. I can't wait to see the there's a dance.
- 12:55Speaker 1: There's a dance. I can't wait for a dance that
- 12:58Speaker 1: we'll have to do for TikTok.
- 13:03Speaker 2: Dude, I mean immediately, this one's better, Like yeah, immediately,
- 13:06Speaker 2: it's better.
- 13:07Speaker 1: So much better, and it's like so much better. Also
- 13:10Speaker 1: the fact that you're like, oh man, now there's only
- 13:12Speaker 1: an hour and fourteen minutes of this movie. It's like,
- 13:15Speaker 1: literally twelve minutes of this movie is like recapping the
- 13:18Speaker 1: first one, exploring some giving way in the five minutes
- 13:23Speaker 1: that exists with this character. It's way more exploration of
- 13:26Speaker 1: them and we were totally indited, totally, so you're you're
- 13:30Speaker 1: kind of already invested in the world. And also the
- 13:35Speaker 1: kids in this one are way more not charming but
- 13:41Speaker 1: like likable.
- 13:42Speaker 2: Just just they have characters.
- 13:44Speaker 1: They have characters.
- 13:44Speaker 2: Yeah, And actually one thing I will say, one thing
- 13:48Speaker 2: I will say is maybe something that makes the first
- 13:51Speaker 2: one work work retroactively is what a blank canvas it is.
- 13:55Speaker 1: That's true, exactly, you can project so much, so much
- 13:58Speaker 1: onto it.
- 13:59Speaker 2: And so that's that's why I think, like this one's
- 14:01Speaker 2: not directed by the same guy, is it.
- 14:03Speaker 1: I think it actually maybe might be. Can you double
- 14:08Speaker 1: check on that? Can we have a fact check on that,
- 14:11Speaker 1: Jamie Polano. They're eating the dogs, they're eating the they're
- 14:19Speaker 1: eating the pets man, outrageous dude, racist drum. I mean, yeah,
- 14:32Speaker 1: like it feels like it's so he's he he dog whistles,
- 14:38Speaker 1: dog whistles in a way that like that's like this
- 14:40Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's literally dog loud speakers. I was to
- 14:45Speaker 1: be clear, I was dog whistling with that. I was
- 14:50Speaker 1: erradically shaking my head yes, with a huge grin on
- 14:53Speaker 1: my face. I hope you can hear that in my
- 14:55Speaker 1: I could hear it. Steve Miller. Actually this was his debut,
- 14:59Speaker 1: Steve Miller's minor. Oh okay, I've heard that name before.
- 15:06Speaker 1: What has he directed? He directed, Uh, Day of the
- 15:09Speaker 1: Dead Lake Placid, Halloween h two O and the third
- 15:16Speaker 1: Friday the thirteenth. So we're in for a We're in
- 15:19Speaker 1: for the next one, which is gonna be cool. Okay, okay,
- 15:21Speaker 1: in for a penny, in for a found. But also
- 15:23Speaker 1: like this next scene where we're introduced to like new
- 15:27Speaker 1: teens who cares this bon jovie looking dude with his
- 15:31Speaker 1: I like the.
- 15:33Speaker 2: Feathered kind of like totally slightly auburny grayish hair and
- 15:38Speaker 2: his in his.
- 15:40Speaker 1: And his like girlfriend are like coming into the town.
- 15:44Speaker 1: The girlfriend's amazing girling. This entire cast is great. They're amazing.
- 15:49Speaker 2: I can't wait to talk about Scott Dude. I followed
- 15:51Speaker 2: Scott on Instagram last night. Juicy lived Scott Dude.
- 15:55Speaker 1: He they get there, they get to a phone, and
- 16:00Speaker 1: all of a sudden their car is getting towed and
- 16:03Speaker 1: they start running after him. My car, car and the
- 16:08Speaker 1: guy dead I'm not looking. Was great. It was great.
- 16:11Speaker 2: Well, it immediately starts a scary thing. But before that happens,
- 16:15Speaker 2: we get another We get a very pointed you're due
- 16:18Speaker 2: from Ralph.
- 16:19Speaker 1: I told the last ones you, dude.
- 16:22Speaker 2: The fact that Ralph shows up again and is in
- 16:25Speaker 2: this one.
- 16:25Speaker 1: Five years later, dude looking just just the same.
- 16:28Speaker 2: Dude, it's like almost only a years past. It's it's amazing,
- 16:34Speaker 2: and he's so you're doomed.
- 16:36Speaker 1: Yeah, I love him. Yeah, dude, it's great. I love it.
- 16:41Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that he gets killed in this one,
- 16:44Speaker 1: but I was also so happy that he totally totally.
- 16:47Speaker 1: But then the dweb, the like redhead dweeb is like,
- 16:51Speaker 1: I got my cousin to tow your car.
- 16:53Speaker 2: Dude, Can I just say that, because we don't like
- 16:56Speaker 2: make fun of like redheaded dwebs like this anymore. There's
- 16:59Speaker 2: a lot of de weep looking dudes that aren't getting
- 17:01Speaker 2: casts like this guy who like, I mean, this guy's amazing,
- 17:05Speaker 2: Like he's so good, And the toality of a character
- 17:09Speaker 2: like this in a movie is so important because he's
- 17:11Speaker 2: part court Jester, he's part goofy relief. He's he's amazing,
- 17:17Speaker 2: and he does such a good job.
- 17:18Speaker 1: He's he's really good. And also he's just a guy
- 17:24Speaker 1: who is now just a type of handsome that exists.
- 17:28Speaker 1: I think that's why people like this don't get cast anymore,
- 17:30Speaker 1: because now they're just like they get jacked and there
- 17:34Speaker 1: they become cussing, not even not even cause you got
- 17:40Speaker 1: to see this, they become they become they're greg they're
- 17:45Speaker 1: the disgusting brother. There's a type of person who's like, no,
- 17:49Speaker 1: there's agency, there's just they're just hot. I'm hot in
- 17:52Speaker 1: a different kind of way. Exactly. You don't even know.
- 17:54Speaker 1: Guys that are built like this are always packing exactly.
- 17:58Speaker 1: That's why we've got such big we do have big dicks.
- 18:02Speaker 1: But then but then as they're going into like the
- 18:07Speaker 1: like the it's basically kind of the same plot of
- 18:11Speaker 1: it's kind of the same plot, but just hypeer it up,
- 18:14Speaker 1: hype it up. Yeah, and but and these these three
- 18:17Speaker 1: new characters now go and they see the sign for
- 18:20Speaker 1: Camp Crystal Lake before they get to it's like a farmhouse.
- 18:26Speaker 1: Not a farmhouse. It's like a sort of this is
- 18:29Speaker 1: more like a B and B. Yeah, and there's the
- 18:33Speaker 1: wheelchair guy. Dude, Dude, I love the wheelchair guy. And
- 18:36Speaker 1: he did, Like it was so cool, how like.
- 18:40Speaker 2: Like he's like this he was like the depth that
- 18:42Speaker 2: they give and like the backstory that they gave was
- 18:45Speaker 2: really cool, Like it kind of unexpected to it. I
- 18:49Speaker 2: guess something that I've never known is how much The
- 18:54Speaker 2: Friday the Thirteenth series champions disabilities. Yeah, it does in
- 19:01Speaker 2: a way, in a way that like doesn't doesn't judge
- 19:03Speaker 2: the characters, doesn't like nobody is judged. There's no POV
- 19:06Speaker 2: that's judging anyone.
- 19:08Speaker 1: But this one is way more like yeah, because like
- 19:15Speaker 1: I mean the like we get wheelchair guy comes out,
- 19:20Speaker 1: other feathered hair boss comes in and he's like, I'm
- 19:23Speaker 1: head of the Airbnb. Don't worry, guys, I play guitar
- 19:26Speaker 1: and I'm cool. We're not gonna We're besides beside camp
- 19:30Speaker 1: Crystal Lake. Yeah, exactly. The sheriff hates us because we're
- 19:33Speaker 1: trying to do something progressive. There was that vibe, but
- 19:38Speaker 1: he was going to take too kindly. Oh there was.
- 19:41Speaker 1: He was not. But but then you get the like
- 19:46Speaker 1: guy who like the like ash shot of this woman
- 19:50Speaker 1: who's like like walking down and then a guy with
- 19:53Speaker 1: a sling sling shot and he sling shots her butt
- 19:56Speaker 1: it's Scott Scott. Yeah, and I followed Juicy Lipscott on
- 20:01Speaker 1: Instagram follow that No, he he only has this role though,
- 20:04Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, guys, fifty years since this movie.
- 20:08Speaker 1: I mean, why not great? It's great.
- 20:10Speaker 2: He's a cinematographer. Now he does like I don't know, focus,
- 20:14Speaker 2: pulling yourselfing.
- 20:15Speaker 1: He's something. He's a a.
- 20:17Speaker 3: C SLI, a c slad a c s do we
- 20:20Speaker 3: remember does it doing something with cameras? I don't know,
- 20:24Speaker 3: focus or something. He's definitely not the host of every
- 20:28Speaker 3: show now. But also everybody loved Mark Paul Gosler.
- 20:32Speaker 1: But he was not the talented I mean, that's true.
- 20:36Speaker 1: It was always a better and the Jerry Curls I loved,
- 20:42Speaker 1: loved as Jerry Curls dude. But yeah, we get what's
- 20:45Speaker 1: nice about this camp counselor versus the last one is
- 20:48Speaker 1: the last one definitely had motives that were different than
- 20:52Speaker 1: this one. But also he was.
- 20:54Speaker 2: Trying to feel like legacy stuff of his family.
- 20:57Speaker 1: You don't.
- 20:58Speaker 2: I thought we'd get some return of the Christie family,
- 21:00Speaker 2: but there's no Christy family, no Christie Pitts.
- 21:02Speaker 1: No.
- 21:04Speaker 2: Instead we get this like super progressive guy who's feminist
- 21:07Speaker 2: and ship and he's definitely not having sex with any
- 21:10Speaker 2: of the members of his uh camp counselors.
- 21:14Speaker 1: He's definitely not like.
- 21:16Speaker 2: If they knew, it'd be not good. Like there's the
- 21:20Speaker 2: the luridness of.
- 21:21Speaker 1: Them hiding it. Yeah, there's there's definitely an openness to
- 21:25Speaker 1: this kind of guy who's like, we're family here, guys. Yeah,
- 21:29Speaker 1: he's like an English teacher who wants to help every student,
- 21:33Speaker 1: but it's the camp council rule, dude, you leave them
- 21:36Speaker 1: better than you found them, exactly, And it's like, uh,
- 21:39Speaker 1: you know, he's trying to explain to everybody rule and
- 21:44Speaker 1: is like, look, guys, we're gonna do two weeks of
- 21:47Speaker 1: prep so we can be ready for our campers. You
- 21:50Speaker 1: know what I mean. He's that kind of guy, but
- 21:52Speaker 1: not a do no.
- 21:53Speaker 2: And then as he's explaining that to like the nerd
- 21:56Speaker 2: guy and Scott and the chick that comes with the
- 22:00Speaker 2: fucking not boomerang, Yeah, we we get what's her name,
- 22:07Speaker 2: Ginny Genny arrives when her piece of ship.
- 22:10Speaker 4: Piece of shit ca yeah, I got a piece of
- 22:14Speaker 4: ship car That fucking pile of ship never gets me
- 22:21Speaker 4: very far.
- 22:23Speaker 1: Ginny and Paul. Paul is the camp counselor's name. It's
- 22:27Speaker 1: it's funny. They also have like kind of a flirty
- 22:30Speaker 1: relationship these two, only these two, and and she he's
- 22:34Speaker 1: like because they're together, they're not like it's not like
- 22:38Speaker 1: the first one where he's like, come on, just stay,
- 22:41Speaker 1: we can be more than friends. But yeah, and she's
- 22:46Speaker 1: like kind of playing with him in terms of like
- 22:47Speaker 1: come on, I'll never be late again for anything, like jokingly,
- 22:51Speaker 1: it is sort of like like a playful way. Yeah.
- 22:56Speaker 1: And and then like the the Redhead kid is like,
- 23:01Speaker 1: you were gonna give us your U, you were gonna
- 23:04Speaker 1: give us your let's keep our shit together speech. You know,
- 23:07Speaker 1: it was like, it's fun.
- 23:08Speaker 2: It's it's like, well, even just having one off lines
- 23:11Speaker 2: like that do so much to build not just the characters,
- 23:15Speaker 2: but the atmosphere of the place. It's fun, it's camp,
- 23:18Speaker 2: but it's also work. And it's like excedure exactly. It's
- 23:22Speaker 2: it's it's it's interesting.
- 23:23Speaker 1: I think this is cool. And then him being like
- 23:26Speaker 1: bears are dangerous, Like going into the specifics of what
- 23:31Speaker 1: camp stuff does does a lot to build the characters,
- 23:35Speaker 1: whereas the other things are just kind of like, what
- 23:38Speaker 1: do they do? I don't know, what do camps do
- 23:40Speaker 1: or whatever. It seems like a little bit more aimless
- 23:43Speaker 1: the last one, you mean, yeah, whereas this one is
- 23:45Speaker 1: just a lot more like, Yeah, these are the things
- 23:48Speaker 1: that they're gonna do, and they're gonna encounter this thing. Yeah.
- 23:52Speaker 1: Oh and then immediately it like fades tonight, and then
- 23:56Speaker 1: we get the lore of you know, they say that
- 24:01Speaker 1: he drowned, but some locals have seen him, seen him around,
- 24:05Speaker 1: saying that he's actually a thirty something year old man.
- 24:08Speaker 2: Well, okay, so this is what was really cool about about.
- 24:12Speaker 1: This, living off the wild animals and vegetation.
- 24:16Speaker 2: I like this a lot because, like, we don't get
- 24:19Speaker 2: any of that in the first one. We get because
- 24:22Speaker 2: it had its contingent on the reveal.
- 24:24Speaker 1: We also don't know, yeah exactly, it's a it's absolutely
- 24:28Speaker 1: contingent on the reveal. And also we don't know whether
- 24:32Speaker 1: or not this is real exactly.
- 24:34Speaker 2: And that's exactly what I wanted to say. Next is
- 24:36Speaker 2: I think that what's interesting about it is this is
- 24:39Speaker 2: how myth mythos is built. Yeah, and so the movie
- 24:42Speaker 2: is kind of building the mythos with us. And if
- 24:45Speaker 2: we're on for like, if we're on for a long haul,
- 24:49Speaker 2: like we know we are with the Jasons, that gives
- 24:52Speaker 2: it a lot more excitement.
- 24:54Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Legend hasn't that Jason saw his mother beded
- 24:58Speaker 1: that night and he took his revenge and the revenge
- 25:03Speaker 1: will continue, and like.
- 25:04Speaker 2: Now they've had some years since the Alice died, and
- 25:08Speaker 2: like that would have also been a mysterious circumstance thing exactly.
- 25:11Speaker 2: And the town is definitely feeling a little bit even
- 25:14Speaker 2: more ghostly of like, guys, okay.
- 25:17Speaker 1: Please here, it's affecting the tourism it are. The sleepy
- 25:22Speaker 1: town is like really really getting it's getting to them,
- 25:26Speaker 1: you know, Like it does seem like even like the
- 25:28Speaker 1: townsfolk are like haunted by this.
- 25:30Speaker 2: Right, Ralph is like before it was just quirky. Now
- 25:35Speaker 2: he's like odd, yeah, you know.
- 25:39Speaker 1: Yeah he made some predictions. He's even less crazy quote
- 25:42Speaker 1: unquote crazy in this one. No, No, it's like they
- 25:45Speaker 1: actively were like, well, I mean he was right, he
- 25:48Speaker 1: was right. So and then even even what.
- 25:55Speaker 2: Else does he say about the Jason story though, He's
- 25:57Speaker 2: like thirsty and then beyond.
- 26:04Speaker 1: Ours and then all of a sudden we even get
- 26:07Speaker 1: allusions to masks in this one where the redhead kid
- 26:11Speaker 1: pops out with a spear and he's wearing the wolf
- 26:14Speaker 1: mask or he was kind of like a werewolf goober mask. Yeah.
- 26:19Speaker 1: Also Jason looking at the mask. Yeah, And it also
- 26:26Speaker 1: kind of reminds me. I don't know if you've ever
- 26:28Speaker 1: seen the movie Creep. I don't think I have. JJ
- 26:33Speaker 1: do plas uh, dude, you got to see it. Dude,
- 26:37Speaker 1: he wears a dude class bread. What the hell are
- 26:42Speaker 1: they doing here? They don't belong in the Jason series.
- 26:54Speaker 1: But also what's great about this scene is that they
- 26:57Speaker 1: all kind of joined together and Paul is like, all right,
- 27:00Speaker 1: all right, now that we have that out of our system,
- 27:02Speaker 1: we'll never talk about this again. But like, it's funny
- 27:06Speaker 1: because it's agent history. Jason round Camp. Crystal Lake is
- 27:13Speaker 1: off limits. Don't go there, you know what I mean.
- 27:16Speaker 1: But it's funny and but let's yeah, but like it's
- 27:21Speaker 1: it's it's interesting because it's like, okay, guys, like no, no, no, no,
- 27:27Speaker 1: like yes, definitely that. But but characteristically it works because
- 27:33Speaker 1: of the fact that it's like, Okay, like I am
- 27:37Speaker 1: a serious person. I want to make this fun for
- 27:39Speaker 1: you guys. But also like we do have to work,
- 27:42Speaker 1: like we're a camp ground and that's that's respons have responsibility.
- 27:46Speaker 1: Kids are coming, and then it's like, okay, cool, let's
- 27:50Speaker 1: like never talk about this again. And then everybody immediately
- 27:53Speaker 1: goes into the same sort of like you know, well,
- 27:58Speaker 1: we're gonna fuck each other and have fun, you know
- 28:01Speaker 1: what I mean, abdicating the responsibility, and like we get wheelchair.
- 28:07Speaker 2: Guy and oh, this is the horniest woman ever ever. Yeah,
- 28:12Speaker 2: and she's it's amazing, it's amazing how horny for him
- 28:15Speaker 2: she is. She's like, let's see what we can do
- 28:16Speaker 2: with those hands.
- 28:17Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, totally.
- 28:19Speaker 2: And can I just say, at the risk of derailing
- 28:21Speaker 2: the episode, yeah, I think something that Jason movies are
- 28:26Speaker 2: maybe sadly known by, at least for me, in these
- 28:30Speaker 2: last two is some animal cruelty, because the snake gets
- 28:35Speaker 2: chopped up in the first one for real and you
- 28:37Speaker 2: see it happen. And also in this one, they don't
- 28:40Speaker 2: kill anything, but they throw a cat inside.
- 28:43Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was gonna say, like some poor throwing
- 28:46Speaker 1: that cat and the poor cat just being like, ah Jesus, Yeah,
- 28:52Speaker 1: I guess they land on their feet or whatever. But
- 28:54Speaker 1: they imply that they're gonna kill the dog and this
- 28:56Speaker 1: one and the dogs stays alive. So I think they
- 28:59Speaker 1: were like they eating the dogs. Yeah, Jason was definitely
- 29:03Speaker 1: eating the dogs. I mean there's no food there, dude. Yeah,
- 29:05Speaker 1: it's true.
- 29:07Speaker 2: He's not an immigrant, he's Jason Vorhees.
- 29:09Speaker 1: It's true. He's from there. He's from there exactly, just
- 29:12Speaker 1: like that lady's indigenous Alexis whatever who did eat a
- 29:16Speaker 1: cat but is an American and not from Springfield and
- 29:20Speaker 1: not from Haiti. But yeah, springdon so Feathered Hair goes
- 29:29Speaker 1: to fuck his lady. They're all like doing they're all dancing.
- 29:35Speaker 2: Do we get the part where they visited where they
- 29:38Speaker 2: visit Camp Crystal Lake and.
- 29:41Speaker 1: No, not yet. That's that's when what's her name? Feathered
- 29:45Speaker 1: Hare and his lady friend are like dancing together and
- 29:50Speaker 1: she's like, come on, let's go see and he's like,
- 29:52Speaker 1: but Paul told us not to. That's such a chicken shit.
- 29:56Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Man.
- 30:02Speaker 2: The thread of being called a chicken really worked a
- 30:06Speaker 2: lot in the eighties. I just like fucking bullying each
- 30:10Speaker 2: other being like what are you fucking loose?
- 30:12Speaker 1: Well, it's like cock now or or like I mean,
- 30:15Speaker 1: cook is just a replacement for the f slur. That's
- 30:18Speaker 1: just it, right your old man, did we did? Did?
- 30:33Speaker 1: I don't know if I saw, I think, But right
- 30:36Speaker 1: now it's just Jason. Yeah. We work with this guy.
- 30:42Speaker 2: I'm not going to say his last name, but his
- 30:44Speaker 2: name is Jason, and he's a musician and uh.
- 30:47Speaker 1: And he he released.
- 30:50Speaker 2: He sings like this, He sings like he's got like
- 30:53Speaker 2: a weird California accent, but he's actually from Florida. And
- 30:58Speaker 2: he's like, some of you may know me as Jyson,
- 31:00Speaker 2: but right now it's just Jyson. No, he doesn't say that,
- 31:05Speaker 2: he's he goes some of you may know me from
- 31:07Speaker 2: my previous projects like may Day Parade to Go Radio,
- 31:11Speaker 2: but right now it's just Jyson.
- 31:14Speaker 1: It's like, what accent is that?
- 31:17Speaker 2: It don't su be so scarred, You don't soon.
- 31:26Speaker 1: So scared. Well, you're like doxing the guy. You're being like, well,
- 31:31Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you a singing specifics. Very it's
- 31:34Speaker 1: very obvious with this guy. We get a scene where
- 31:39Speaker 1: Ginny goes off to take her clothes off so that
- 31:42Speaker 1: the camera has something to lure and linger on, and
- 31:45Speaker 1: Paul follows her and she's like, what are you fratnizing
- 31:48Speaker 1: with the staff and they kiss each other and hang
- 31:51Speaker 1: out and stuff, and then Ralph, that's how I guess
- 31:54Speaker 1: I moved my body awkwardly. I jolty shovel my body body,
- 32:00Speaker 1: no rhythm, rhythm, just random points of contortion. Yeah, it's
- 32:06Speaker 1: more like convulsions. Yeah, exactly, which my wife is into,
- 32:13Speaker 1: unpredictable convulsions, the sexiest kinds. It seems like how Rocky
- 32:20Speaker 1: would kiss Oh dude, yeah, totally. I don't know. I
- 32:25Speaker 1: saw it once on TV, this guy Alex, this guy Jason,
- 32:31Speaker 1: but but the Jason I was talking about Jason Moore.
- 32:36Speaker 1: Do you think he jerks off?
- 32:37Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, And like I think he's got a
- 32:39Speaker 2: smelly dick. No, I think he's got a smelly dick.
- 32:42Speaker 1: I think. Do you think he the corpse?
- 32:43Speaker 2: No, I think he only jerks off. I think he
- 32:45Speaker 2: only jerks off. I don't think he gets weird with the.
- 32:47Speaker 1: With the with the corpses.
- 32:48Speaker 2: And I think he murders in a brute way that
- 32:52Speaker 2: doesn't understand. He's like literally just territorial. I don't think
- 32:55Speaker 2: he gets weird with fucking things interesting.
- 32:58Speaker 1: I really don't. I think that's more Freddy. I think
- 33:00Speaker 1: Freddy's more the free Freddy molests. That's why there's a
- 33:03Speaker 1: swag boy Freddie. Yeah totally. But Ralph comes in and
- 33:07Speaker 1: about to lure and peer into the room and judge
- 33:11Speaker 1: the sex happening, and uh, before he's able to do that, yeah,
- 33:16Speaker 1: he gets Yeah, he totally man like when he dies,
- 33:22Speaker 1: it's sad. I was like, no, Ralph, I know you. Yeah, totally.
- 33:26Speaker 1: And then Jenny wakes up and there's a a little
- 33:33Speaker 1: note on the wind the mirror that says beware of bears,
- 33:37Speaker 1: which is such a great like allusion to what's going
- 33:42Speaker 1: to happen, and it's definitely a shout out to the
- 33:44Speaker 1: LGBTQ commune totally. And we get some some like POV
- 33:53Speaker 1: stuff in this one that's like really interesting because it's
- 33:56Speaker 1: like everybody's going for a hike. Uh and and Paul
- 34:00Speaker 1: is like, stay on the trail, guys, But we still
- 34:02Speaker 1: get the sort of stocker y like now, but now
- 34:05Speaker 1: it's the POV and it does feel like a different POV.
- 34:08Speaker 1: It does feels taller, it does more menacing and looming, yeah,
- 34:13Speaker 1: which is really nice. And the hands are matched to
- 34:16Speaker 1: the body this time. Yeah, totally, totally, and there's constant
- 34:22Speaker 1: like illusions Michael.
- 34:24Speaker 2: His hands are because we have so little to go
- 34:27Speaker 2: on with Jason, like they're they're they're very specific, like
- 34:32Speaker 2: kind of like meaty paw, Harry harry knuckle, kind of
- 34:37Speaker 2: like coat.
- 34:38Speaker 1: It's cool.
- 34:38Speaker 2: It's like I was like, whoa, his hands have so
- 34:40Speaker 2: much like character in the movie. We don't actually get
- 34:43Speaker 2: to see people's hands this in detail in movies.
- 34:46Speaker 1: A lot totally. And then the dog runs away and
- 34:48Speaker 1: comes up to Jason and we don't see the dog,
- 34:51Speaker 1: and we get a reference to the chainsaw later on,
- 34:55Speaker 1: like course which comes back later on. Were they referencing
- 35:00Speaker 1: their face Probably it's at this point so much.
- 35:04Speaker 2: When she chain saws one piece of wood to hand
- 35:06Speaker 2: to the guy, why did you do that?
- 35:09Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, dude, it was just for the visual
- 35:15Speaker 1: of the chains. Chain saws are cool, are yeah, they're
- 35:18Speaker 1: they're very scary. And then Jeff feathered hair with with
- 35:23Speaker 1: the other girl, they're they're like, come on, come on,
- 35:26Speaker 1: she's so pushy to have him go, and he's such
- 35:29Speaker 1: a wiener who's so like hungry. He's like, well, I
- 35:34Speaker 1: gotta I mean, she's.
- 35:35Speaker 2: Hot, Yeah, yeah, for sure, there's definitely like whenever sex
- 35:40Speaker 2: is mentioned, there's a like it'd be stupid not to.
- 35:44Speaker 1: Yeah, totally fair, true, it is true. And then like
- 35:53Speaker 1: you know, they're they're like people who are in you know,
- 35:57Speaker 1: they're like doing camp things, just whimming and talking and
- 36:02Speaker 1: chatting or whatever.
- 36:04Speaker 2: This movie does have like a slight people calling out
- 36:07Speaker 2: each other's names, but way shorter than the last movie
- 36:11Speaker 2: totally and thus way more fun and interesting.
- 36:14Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 36:14Speaker 2: Absolutely, because we get to like actually kind of like
- 36:17Speaker 2: revel in the kills, and I think the kills like
- 36:20Speaker 2: they're iconic. In the first one, there's like ones that
- 36:23Speaker 2: I remember now, like the sliced neck with Ann and
- 36:26Speaker 2: like just like a few things like that that were
- 36:29Speaker 2: like the chopped off head of course and like stringing
- 36:34Speaker 2: people up. But in this one, like getting like macheted
- 36:37Speaker 2: in like to half of your face and shit like that,
- 36:40Speaker 2: Like that's pretty cool.
- 36:42Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Which when do we get to the
- 36:45Speaker 1: wheelchair guy getting machetied, Well, the wheelchair guy is on
- 36:49Speaker 1: the beach with everybody else. It's funny that you mentioned
- 36:52Speaker 1: Texas chainsawmasker because that something that I didn't think of
- 36:55Speaker 1: was there is a dude in a wheelchair and a chainsaw,
- 36:58Speaker 1: and so they might have actually because that was a
- 37:00Speaker 1: fucking huge movie. It was a huge movie. Yea, yeah,
- 37:03Speaker 1: well so.
- 37:03Speaker 2: You don't think about that, like because for me, Jason
- 37:07Speaker 2: is so zeitgeisty and so popular, like the mask and everything,
- 37:11Speaker 2: like the iconography. It's kind of like it feels like
- 37:15Speaker 2: he predates the big Ones, you know what I mean,
- 37:18Speaker 2: Like it feels like he predates Mike Myers. It feels
- 37:20Speaker 2: like he predates.
- 37:23Speaker 4: I know.
- 37:24Speaker 1: And so was Leatherface wasn't wasn't he? Yeah? Leatherface was also, Yeah,
- 37:27Speaker 1: so I feel like that's that's interesting, right, yeah he
- 37:32Speaker 1: and and Jason predates fucking Freddy. Yeah he does, which
- 37:37Speaker 1: is crazy, is it? Yeah? He does four Yeah, yeah,
- 37:41Speaker 1: you're right.
- 37:42Speaker 2: Freddy's way more nineties than Jason.
- 37:44Speaker 1: Breddy is all yeah, he feels like a nineties.
- 37:49Speaker 2: Icon yeah almost, And Jason is very eighties.
- 37:53Speaker 1: I didn't realize decidedly, so totally totally.
- 37:57Speaker 4: So.
- 37:58Speaker 1: So they see a dead dog, but it's not the
- 38:01Speaker 1: same dog. They were kind of like, this is this, Yeah,
- 38:04Speaker 1: what happened it? It must have been a wild animal.
- 38:06Speaker 1: We shouldn't mention it to anyone, Yeah, absolutely not. But
- 38:09Speaker 1: then the cop comes and he's like, we don't take
- 38:12Speaker 1: too kind of it's true, but they talk. He talks
- 38:17Speaker 1: to Paul in a very realistic way too, because it
- 38:20Speaker 1: is it feels like almost like a principle in kids,
- 38:23Speaker 1: because they they set up the fact that he's like,
- 38:25Speaker 1: I'm trying to be responsible for these guys, but I
- 38:28Speaker 1: hate cops. Acab.
- 38:29Speaker 2: Dude, he's very a cab in the scene because he's like,
- 38:31Speaker 2: I'm not gonna punish them. No seconds for dessert tonight.
- 38:34Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
- 38:35Speaker 2: It's just like really funny, like he's not gonna he's
- 38:38Speaker 2: like showing the cop he's not.
- 38:39Speaker 1: Going to punish them at all. But it's like, but dude,
- 38:42Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, dude, they they're fucking super kids. Okay,
- 38:45Speaker 1: they won't do it again. But he's like, look, hold,
- 38:47Speaker 1: people are saying you're doing great doing these kids. What
- 38:50Speaker 1: you're doing with these kids is great, but five years ago, uh,
- 38:54Speaker 1: and you've got a good reputation that I love that.
- 38:57Speaker 2: It's like all of this transgender care stuff is great,
- 39:00Speaker 2: but I'm conservative and I don't believe it.
- 39:02Speaker 1: They're eating the dogs. I saw them. I saw dog.
- 39:07Speaker 1: He was eating the dogs. I tried something. It was
- 39:10Speaker 1: pretty good. It's a hot dog. Have you ever heard
- 39:11Speaker 1: of it? The Costco hot dogs dollar fifty inflation proof.
- 39:17Speaker 1: Why can't guess an be like that? You're not even
- 39:21Speaker 1: going to reprimand them. I love that too, no punishment.
- 39:25Speaker 1: What kind of place is this? That's the conservatism?
- 39:28Speaker 2: Oh he's he's he's calling him a pussy liberal.
- 39:32Speaker 1: Dude. Yeah, dude, I mean that's what he is. We
- 39:35Speaker 1: all are. It's awesome. We get pussy all the time
- 39:39Speaker 1: because we're all pussies. I mean it's funny because like.
- 39:46Speaker 2: The dicks think they're going to get something, but all
- 39:49Speaker 2: they're gonna get is more.
- 39:50Speaker 1: Dick yep, because that's what they want. Dude, dude, I
- 39:52Speaker 1: love dick. Yeah, dude, So for me, it's fine. This
- 39:57Speaker 1: is the funniest. This is the I think one of
- 40:00Speaker 1: the coolest looking parts of this movie is when Jason
- 40:07Speaker 1: like leaves and as the cop is pulling out, he
- 40:11Speaker 1: sees him and then he starts chasing him down. This
- 40:14Speaker 1: is I think my favorite scene in the actual movie.
- 40:16Speaker 1: It's like we're following Jason's feet and Jason's like lower
- 40:20Speaker 1: half of his body while the cop like awkwardly tries
- 40:23Speaker 1: to get him, and it's like, I don't know. It
- 40:27Speaker 1: kind of shows a little bit of the Redator esque
- 40:35Speaker 1: like hunting. I'm going hunting like aspect of the movie.
- 40:39Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like this is my territory kind
- 40:42Speaker 1: of thing. I think this is what's interesting about sort
- 40:46Speaker 1: of K's bring up lore stuff and world building stuff
- 40:51Speaker 1: is that like a lot of this is visual storytelling
- 40:55Speaker 1: of like how this person lives. There's no dialogue with Jason,
- 40:59Speaker 1: he doesn't. We all see it completely visually. We see
- 41:02Speaker 1: the area of the woods, we see the shack. Yeah,
- 41:05Speaker 1: and then and then he like the officer gets to
- 41:07Speaker 1: the shack. Okay, So I like I couldn't believe that
- 41:12Speaker 1: we get this level of detail of how Jason lives.
- 41:16Speaker 2: I didn't know this part of the Lord. I didn't
- 41:19Speaker 2: know that Jason had like a house that somebody could
- 41:22Speaker 2: visit and like it's simultaneously like you.
- 41:26Speaker 1: Mean a house where a mathematician goes to build bombs
- 41:29Speaker 1: to send to Sorry Ted Kaczynski.
- 41:31Speaker 2: Joke, Oh okay, listen, but like I didn't realize that
- 41:36Speaker 2: his house is like it's kind of at the it's
- 41:40Speaker 2: simultaneously like sad and like really impressive that he has it.
- 41:45Speaker 2: It's like, whoa dude, Like this poor guy who doesn't
- 41:48Speaker 2: know anything, has never been socialized. There, doesn't like even
- 41:51Speaker 2: the the Genny's say at one point, you know, this guy,
- 41:55Speaker 2: he's never met anyone. She kind of talks into Bruce Willis. Way,
- 41:58Speaker 2: he's never met anyone, He's never that anyway, he doesn't
- 42:01Speaker 2: he doesn't have any relationships.
- 42:03Speaker 1: You know, he's a strange guy. Yeah, yeah, you know,
- 42:07Speaker 1: like she.
- 42:07Speaker 2: Kind of Bruce Willis is this idea into existence and
- 42:10Speaker 2: and and like I thought that was cool because then
- 42:13Speaker 2: when we see.
- 42:13Speaker 1: This house, we're like, oh no, dude, Like, oh no,
- 42:17Speaker 1: this someone helped this guy, and like yeah, the cops
- 42:23Speaker 1: kind of like grossed out. I mean, it would be
- 42:27Speaker 1: so grown. I feel like it would smellrhea because I
- 42:31Speaker 1: think he would have a lot of diarrhea from eating
- 42:33Speaker 1: things in the from eating the dogs in the in
- 42:37Speaker 1: the forest. I feel like you would have a lot
- 42:38Speaker 1: of diarrhea. And so and diarrhea has like yeah, it
- 42:44Speaker 1: has a specific smell, dehydrated smell kind of.
- 42:49Speaker 2: Like oh, I'm feeling like someone's innards. Also, like I
- 42:52Speaker 2: smell what they're inside smelling.
- 42:53Speaker 1: They're they're the lining.
- 42:55Speaker 2: There's a lot of stomach lining that you're smelling as
- 42:58Speaker 2: well as as just hutrid shit. But so I feel
- 43:03Speaker 2: like that's kind of what it smells like.
- 43:04Speaker 1: And like I.
- 43:06Speaker 2: Not in a way that like I'm judging, but like
- 43:09Speaker 2: it just seems it looks like it looks like it's
- 43:12Speaker 2: like the walls are covered in kaka, you know what
- 43:16Speaker 2: I mean. Like he doesn't have any like plum. Well,
- 43:18Speaker 2: he does have plumbing.
- 43:19Speaker 1: That's the toilet or toilet toilet paper. I think he's
- 43:23Speaker 1: still some toilet paper.
- 43:24Speaker 2: So does he pay like water bills?
- 43:27Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Jason V.
- 43:28Speaker 2: He's he paid. He just paid his water bill. It
- 43:30Speaker 2: was twenty dollars.
- 43:31Speaker 1: Last part, well, I think yeah. I mean he must
- 43:34Speaker 1: ship into something, right or.
- 43:37Speaker 2: Is he using like oh or did he build up
- 43:42Speaker 2: a house shack around like a toilet on Camp Crystal
- 43:47Speaker 2: Lake that was installed for them? Maybe that's the lore,
- 43:50Speaker 2: that's what Maybe.
- 43:51Speaker 1: It is like a shack that's falling apart that used
- 43:54Speaker 1: to be like a ship like a shitter. Yeah, h
- 43:57Speaker 1: and no one.
- 43:58Speaker 2: But it's very clean though when you look clean, keeps
- 44:01Speaker 2: it keeps it clean. He's actually he keeps it clean. Dude,
- 44:06Speaker 2: he keeps his buttle clean.
- 44:07Speaker 1: He washes.
- 44:09Speaker 2: Yeah, he washes in the lake and he was swimming
- 44:11Speaker 2: that day. Okay, No, okay, so he swims. No we
- 44:14Speaker 2: we we didn't give him enough credit. He does take
- 44:17Speaker 2: good care of it. He smells nice. No, he smells
- 44:20Speaker 2: like shit.
- 44:21Speaker 1: It smells. It smells bad in that that place. Is
- 44:23Speaker 1: that shock? Yeah, it smells really bad in that, but
- 44:25Speaker 1: it does it shit smell though it's different if it
- 44:28Speaker 1: shit smells well from all the other like things we mentioned.
- 44:32Speaker 1: Maybe animal smells. It is animal smells, and.
- 44:35Speaker 2: He maybe smells body regular body smells, but strong because
- 44:39Speaker 2: he only washes in the lake without any water. Yes, definitely,
- 44:43Speaker 2: And he has diarrhea from all the yeah, from all
- 44:47Speaker 2: the like he just eats like a lot of.
- 44:48Speaker 1: Raw meat, I think, yes. Yeah.
- 44:53Speaker 2: Do you think liver king when he like has to
- 44:55Speaker 2: pretend eat the liver in does videos when actually it's
- 44:59Speaker 2: animal like zeroids.
- 45:02Speaker 1: Yeah, he probably ships like pretty intense. Now that's probably
- 45:05Speaker 1: really those day on shooting days, he for sure for shits.
- 45:09Speaker 1: It's some diarrhea. So we cut to it's later that
- 45:12Speaker 1: night and all the rowdy, rowdiest teens are like, we're
- 45:18Speaker 1: going into town to get drunk and then drive back.
- 45:22Speaker 2: How are you gonna get back? Well, drive obviously this
- 45:25Speaker 2: nerd guy's gonna drive. He could take his alcohol. Look
- 45:28Speaker 2: at him, he's already He's always silly.
- 45:32Speaker 1: But yeah, they all leave, which I like. I like
- 45:34Speaker 1: the expansionistic of it's not just a Crystal Lake. And
- 45:41Speaker 1: that's the thing that I wanted to say, disagree with
- 45:43Speaker 1: with Ks in terms of it's not as localized as
- 45:48Speaker 1: he's making it out to be, especially in this one,
- 45:50Speaker 1: because immediately they go off to town. These guys go
- 45:53Speaker 1: off to like a place next to Crystal Lake.
- 45:56Speaker 2: It's not like directly there. Well, you need to have
- 45:59Speaker 2: scope and like the Crystal Lake part needs to be
- 46:02Speaker 2: the dangerous part. So if you have a wider world
- 46:04Speaker 2: around that, then like there's a place to be more easy.
- 46:06Speaker 1: It's like Twin Peaks. Actually Twin Peaks. Most of Firewalk
- 46:09Speaker 1: with Me doesn't take place, and it takes place in
- 46:11Speaker 1: the town next door. Right. But then wheelchair guy stays,
- 46:16Speaker 1: a bunch of hotties stay games. But they're playing board games.
- 46:21Speaker 2: She's talking a lot about getting fingers by him, and
- 46:24Speaker 2: he has very nice hands also that they shown use.
- 46:28Speaker 1: Yeah to finger her. I think, like it's cool that
- 46:32Speaker 1: she asks him, like so like so she's like, yeah,
- 46:35Speaker 1: I know what to do. I get by Like he's
- 46:37Speaker 1: like very confident and like it's kind of like like
- 46:40Speaker 1: a little awkward about it, sure, because he's not comfortable
- 46:44Speaker 1: with parts of it for himself, and he says so
- 46:46Speaker 1: as much when he's talking about it. But it gives
- 46:49Speaker 1: this character a lot of like agency and interest because
- 46:52Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I'm not defined by this, but
- 46:54Speaker 1: also like I hate that, you know, I can't that.
- 46:58Speaker 1: I yeah, And we get the show. As they leave
- 47:02Speaker 1: and they go back inside and the other guys leave,
- 47:05Speaker 1: we get Jason Jason shadow lurking in the background, and
- 47:11Speaker 1: one of the chicks goes to go skinny dipping obviously
- 47:13Speaker 1: because I would too, and the rest of them gets
- 47:16Speaker 1: to the bar. The bar.
- 47:19Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the was great. The skiney dipping scene was great.
- 47:26Speaker 1: Feathered Hair is doing uh what's it called. He's having
- 47:31Speaker 1: sex with his girlfriend. Well, he's gonna have sex after
- 47:33Speaker 1: he gets beaten by wheelchair guy and then uh, she's like, well,
- 47:40Speaker 1: do you want to wrestle upstairs? And he's like, well,
- 47:42Speaker 1: see you later, guys. Yeah, he definitely goes immediately, and
- 47:46Speaker 1: then she's like, do you want to arm wrestle with me?
- 47:49Speaker 1: You can show me your hands. Yeah.
- 47:53Speaker 2: The arm wrestling was great, Yeah, and also very reminiscent
- 47:58Speaker 2: of stallone Dude.
- 47:59Speaker 1: Oh totally. And then Jason steals the girl who's skinny
- 48:03Speaker 1: dippings clothes and she's like, no, Jason doesn't. Oh no,
- 48:08Speaker 1: juicy lips. Yeah, yeah, juice lip. Sorry. But the implication
- 48:11Speaker 1: is like, oh, like this person is Jason. But then
- 48:15Speaker 1: he gets caught in one of Jason's traps, which was
- 48:18Speaker 1: also great.
- 48:20Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's how Jason hunts. I go hunting. Yeah,
- 48:23Speaker 2: and the fact that he slices the neck open also
- 48:26Speaker 2: is like just bleeding out an animal animal, which like
- 48:29Speaker 2: is kind of cool like that Jason, you know, there's
- 48:33Speaker 2: like a I mean I used to think that the
- 48:39Speaker 2: Jason lore is that his murdering was just way more
- 48:43Speaker 2: aimless than it actually is. There's a purpose to it,
- 48:47Speaker 2: and there's motivation behind it and reason to it in
- 48:50Speaker 2: a way that I never gave Jason credit for. Yeah, like, yeah,
- 48:55Speaker 2: it's revenge, but it's also like self defense and like territoriality.
- 49:01Speaker 2: It's and there's just like the brutishness is not rooted
- 49:05Speaker 2: in like, uh, like a menace that he has towards them.
- 49:09Speaker 2: He's medicine because he's scary, but he's like he's way
- 49:13Speaker 2: more like he's not trying to terrorize anyone. Yeah, he's
- 49:19Speaker 2: just killing them.
- 49:19Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And it's funny because you're basically describing Halloween
- 49:26Speaker 1: and that works in a totally different way because it's
- 49:28Speaker 1: like in a small town, nobody knows what's happening, you know,
- 49:32Speaker 1: but like there is a drive and then later on
- 49:35Speaker 1: they build on that lore too, which is dumb, but
- 49:38Speaker 1: the like when we're going to talk about Mike Myers,
- 49:41Speaker 1: dude yere, but also it cuts to back to the
- 49:46Speaker 1: bar and they're having fun and they're watching some some
- 49:49Speaker 1: that like Guitar Solo. That's like it does feel like
- 49:53Speaker 1: a bigger budget and it works way more and way better.
- 49:58Speaker 2: Totally with the bigger by Yeah, I absolutely agree, and like, yeah,
- 50:03Speaker 2: it benefits from it in all the ways that it
- 50:06Speaker 2: needs to while also being.
- 50:07Speaker 1: A direct sequel to it. Yeah, exactly, And it kind
- 50:12Speaker 1: of does what eighties movies used to do and it's
- 50:16Speaker 1: way less than it is now, So like now you
- 50:19Speaker 1: have to think about making everything a sequel, and then
- 50:22Speaker 1: you have to think about every sequel being also a standaloney.
- 50:26Speaker 1: So that's why there was so much of that, Like
- 50:29Speaker 1: let's just show the last part of the last movie. Yeah,
- 50:31Speaker 1: for sure in this movie. What's also nice about this
- 50:35Speaker 1: is that it's this is where Ginny explains the thing
- 50:39Speaker 1: you were mentioning earlier, which was, oh yeah, like what
- 50:42Speaker 1: if he's like I mean, he's like not just a
- 50:45Speaker 1: crazy guy. He was like a guy who who suffered
- 50:48Speaker 1: in some way. He was like a poor boy who
- 50:52Speaker 1: got hurt and now is like murdering people. And what's
- 50:56Speaker 1: nice is instead of reacting because it is like a
- 50:59Speaker 1: pussy liberal quote unquote way of describing like a scary murderer,
- 51:06Speaker 1: but it is one. It is something that people do.
- 51:10Speaker 1: People do this all the time with every kind of
- 51:12Speaker 1: like I mean, that's a lot of what true crime
- 51:15Speaker 1: is is like, well but you know Charles Manson was
- 51:19Speaker 1: raped in as he was growing up, and you know
- 51:23Speaker 1: stuff like that, where it's like all the humanization of
- 51:26Speaker 1: bad people, you know, which is very cool. But then
- 51:30Speaker 1: instead of contrasting that with like, ah, that's bullshit, like
- 51:34Speaker 1: Paul is like, well, you know, it's a legend. It's
- 51:38Speaker 1: you know, it's it's not real, right, and then we
- 51:44Speaker 1: get it cuts back to Jason's stalking and I I
- 51:50Speaker 1: also find it interesting that the wheelchair This cuts back
- 51:55Speaker 1: to the wheelchair guy explaining, like doctor say, it's permanent,
- 51:58Speaker 1: but it's not gonna be I'm not gonna make it
- 52:00Speaker 1: like that, and like her being like toke and pulls
- 52:05Speaker 1: out a joint. Oh yeah, He's like, I can't. I'm
- 52:08Speaker 1: training right now.
- 52:09Speaker 2: He's very proud of like like what he's been able
- 52:12Speaker 2: to achieve with his with his body and his capabilities,
- 52:16Speaker 2: and like, I think it's I think that's really cool. Yeah,
- 52:19Speaker 2: and like she's really into it as well. She's really
- 52:23Speaker 2: turned on by him. And finally they're like, Okay, we're
- 52:26Speaker 2: gonna fuck.
- 52:27Speaker 1: He's like my cabin of yours. And then but Jim
- 52:31Speaker 1: is in my cabin. Yeah, it's amazing.
- 52:35Speaker 2: And then so she's like, hey, hold on, I gotta
- 52:37Speaker 2: go get take my Diva cup out.
- 52:40Speaker 1: I'm gonna put these like baggy saggy bum panties on. Well, no,
- 52:45Speaker 1: they were great. What do you mean. I didn't say
- 52:47Speaker 1: they were right, I'm just saying they were like in
- 52:49Speaker 1: that well, like you know in the butt where they're
- 52:51Speaker 1: like like they're like kind of bunched up on the butt. Yeah, yeah, whatever,
- 52:54Speaker 1: I thought I thought they were I thought they were great.
- 52:57Speaker 1: She want to go put on some sexy underwear for yeah,
- 52:59Speaker 1: for sure. Uh.
- 53:00Speaker 2: And I appreciated the effort on her part. But and
- 53:05Speaker 2: it also gives a reason. Everything had reason in this
- 53:08Speaker 2: movie too, Like sometimes it felt like things randomly happened
- 53:12Speaker 2: in the last movie, which worked because of the chaos
- 53:15Speaker 2: and like you didn't know what was going on. But
- 53:18Speaker 2: in this movie, I'm like, like everything makes sense, Like
- 53:22Speaker 2: everything has like an explanation in world explanation, and it's
- 53:25Speaker 2: it is serious in a way. It takes itself seriously
- 53:29Speaker 2: in an old school way that like, you know, it
- 53:31Speaker 2: is kind of sad, how like funny Freddy is sometimes
- 53:36Speaker 2: you know, like right.
- 53:37Speaker 1: Away it defeats some of the scariness, but.
- 53:41Speaker 2: Also it's scary because it's funny because it's like sometimes
- 53:43Speaker 2: when something's clown sinister funny, it's also scary.
- 53:47Speaker 1: Yes exactly, Oh god, no, this is actually terrifying. Yeah, totally.
- 53:50Speaker 2: But I like I like the more seriousness of the
- 53:53Speaker 2: Jason because you can kind of like even though it's
- 53:56Speaker 2: silly that the actual thing is silly. You you can,
- 53:59Speaker 2: you have permission to take it seriously for sure.
- 54:02Speaker 1: Vicky, who's the lady who wants to have sex with wheelchair,
- 54:06Speaker 1: gets killed by Jason Rain starts falling and then wheelchair
- 54:11Speaker 1: wheels out and is like Vicky and gets chopped. He
- 54:15Speaker 1: gets shopped. But this this shot is great because it's
- 54:19Speaker 1: like it's not a it's not a handheld POV shot,
- 54:22Speaker 1: it's a like dolly into the back of his wheelchair,
- 54:26Speaker 1: and it's so much more menacing.
- 54:28Speaker 2: I agree, And and dude, something else I was going
- 54:31Speaker 2: to say is like the deaths have more consequence in
- 54:34Speaker 2: this one.
- 54:34Speaker 1: I think so too.
- 54:35Speaker 2: When they kill Ralph, I was like, oh my god, Ralph.
- 54:37Speaker 2: And when they kill this guy, I was like, we
- 54:40Speaker 2: learned so much about like he had the makings of
- 54:42Speaker 2: a varsity athlete totally.
- 54:44Speaker 1: And also the way he like gets chopped and then
- 54:47Speaker 1: rolls down a bunch of stairs and like freeze frames
- 54:50Speaker 1: and then moves the freeze like they want.
- 54:53Speaker 2: So they put extra like kind of care into his
- 54:56Speaker 2: kill and it was kind of like it felt to
- 54:59Speaker 2: me in some ways like the first real.
- 55:02Speaker 1: Kill of the series.
- 55:03Speaker 2: Totally because it was like because of the way that
- 55:07Speaker 2: it was, like it seems like now Jason's crossed some kind.
- 55:11Speaker 1: Of barrier for himself. Yeah, totally. Of like he killed
- 55:13Speaker 1: someone that he didn't need.
- 55:16Speaker 2: To kill, and there was like, you know, there was
- 55:18Speaker 2: like a kind of like, Okay, now maybe he's getting
- 55:20Speaker 2: a bit of a bloodlust.
- 55:22Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. We don't know, We don't know. There's a
- 55:24Speaker 1: really fascinating there's a really fascinating thing about Jason coming
- 55:32Speaker 1: in to kill bon Jovi where he takes the mask
- 55:37Speaker 1: off the spear almost like being like I don't need this,
- 55:41Speaker 1: I don't need this to be scary, almost as a
- 55:44Speaker 1: direct direct hit to Leatherface and and Halloween, which came
- 55:50Speaker 1: out a couple of years before. And it's like and
- 55:54Speaker 1: he's going to pick it up, but then heave that
- 55:58Speaker 1: which is great, and he stabs through both bon Jovi
- 56:03Speaker 1: and his girlfriend.
- 56:05Speaker 2: Very brutal and like we see just the spear go down,
- 56:09Speaker 2: and I think like the kills like they have a weightiness,
- 56:13Speaker 2: like to show the consequence of something like that, the
- 56:18Speaker 2: direct consequence, and like just like it coming out the
- 56:21Speaker 2: other side, Yeah, shows the strength, shows the brutality and
- 56:26Speaker 2: is like is genuinely scary. Yeah, and there's some there's
- 56:31Speaker 2: like a jump scare in this movie, which is like
- 56:34Speaker 2: a couple of jump scares that I'm like, I don't
- 56:37Speaker 2: like jump scares, and they did scare me.
- 56:40Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm always like yeah, totally totally.
- 56:43Speaker 2: But like, yeah, I mean they were effective. I will say.
- 56:49Speaker 1: Sorry I said that that Vicky died earlier. Vicky comes
- 56:53Speaker 1: in to inspect everything and is looking for Mark, the
- 56:59Speaker 1: guy in the wheelchair, and she gets she gets her
- 57:03Speaker 1: leg cut by burlapsack Jason and the knife comes in
- 57:09Speaker 1: and we just see the hand go towards It's so great,
- 57:12Speaker 1: this like almost like floating hand like coming to kill
- 57:18Speaker 1: Vicky and he brutally murders her. As the drunken other
- 57:24Speaker 1: people drive back to the campgrounds and Paul and Jenny
- 57:34Speaker 1: see or Paul and Jenny are back and like the
- 57:37Speaker 1: dragging of the body that that Jason takes down the stairs,
- 57:42Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm wondering whether or not he does
- 57:45Speaker 1: freaky things. This feels like he's doing freaky things, you think,
- 57:48Speaker 1: so maybe unless he's eating the bodies, can't let wist, Yeah, exactly.
- 57:54Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Jason's a cannibal. I don't know, Like I
- 57:57Speaker 1: don't know.
- 57:59Speaker 2: No, Well, well, well we'll get to we'll get to
- 58:02Speaker 2: some of his motivations, because that's what's really interesting, is
- 58:06Speaker 2: the speculation. But but you do have more insight to
- 58:10Speaker 2: his motivations later on when they show the mom's head
- 58:14Speaker 2: and the shrine.
- 58:15Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, which we'll get to which is what
- 58:17Speaker 1: the cop found, but we didn't see totally. Paul and Jinny, Uh,
- 58:21Speaker 1: they see the blood that is left behind by Bonjo, Like,
- 58:24Speaker 1: what is this a joke? Yeah? I love that line
- 58:27Speaker 1: as a joke. Smoking dope.
- 58:30Speaker 2: These kids smoke, but better dope than I do. Like
- 58:32Speaker 2: that's how it usually is.
- 58:33Speaker 1: Man, kids are dabbing, dude, how is dabbing pure THHC
- 58:41Speaker 1: crystal it? I don't know. I've never dabbed. It scares
- 58:44Speaker 1: me why, I don't know. I feel like I might
- 58:47Speaker 1: might make me sick. Yeah yeah, or like me when
- 58:49Speaker 1: I greened out and I was like having better screaming
- 58:53Speaker 1: at the top of my lungs. But yeah, then we
- 58:58Speaker 1: see Oh man, this part was great because this reminded
- 59:01Speaker 1: me of the first Jason in the Best Way, where
- 59:06Speaker 1: all the lights go out downstairs and she sees burlap
- 59:10Speaker 1: sack Jason, and she like runs into the bathroom. Ginny
- 59:13Speaker 1: runs into the bathroom and like locks the door, holds
- 59:16Speaker 1: the door closed, but can't reach the window to close
- 59:20Speaker 1: the window, and like gently let's go of the door,
- 59:25Speaker 1: but like stays close enough and like stretches out that
- 59:30Speaker 1: Jason crappily shoves his hand into the window. I I
- 59:36Speaker 1: love that kind of stuff.
- 59:38Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they did a really great job in
- 59:40Speaker 2: that doing that kind of stuff in this movie, and
- 59:43Speaker 2: it's genuinely terrifying, but.
- 59:44Speaker 1: Like you're also like on Jason's side, Yeah, totally. And
- 59:48Speaker 1: then they's what's great is two things happen in the
- 59:51Speaker 1: scene he gets the pitchfork and smashes through the crappy
- 59:56Speaker 1: count campgrounds doors, those thin doors that don't do anything. Uh.
- 1:00:01Speaker 1: And then when Genny opens the the the she's in
- 1:00:07Speaker 1: the kitchen. When she opens the cabinet, Ralph falls out,
- 1:00:12Speaker 1: like when he walks out in the first was jerking off,
- 1:00:16Speaker 1: Yeah totally, He's the one doing freaky shit. He's like,
- 1:00:19Speaker 1: you're all, dude, yeah, totally jerk. He is definitely having
- 1:00:22Speaker 1: sex with those dead bodies.
- 1:00:24Speaker 2: Jesus, just because someone's weird doesn't mean their necro feeling.
- 1:00:29Speaker 1: It's the weirdest thing I could think of. But what
- 1:00:31Speaker 1: was awesome? We didn't mention that the crappy car that
- 1:00:33Speaker 1: Ginny was driving at the beginning, when Paul is like,
- 1:00:37Speaker 1: you got to turn it on, gentle like, and then
- 1:00:40Speaker 1: she's able to turn it on, and then when she
- 1:00:42Speaker 1: runs back into the car, she's not turning it on
- 1:00:45Speaker 1: gently and it can't turn on, and then Jason is
- 1:00:49Speaker 1: like stabbing through the roof and then shoving his hand inside,
- 1:00:54Speaker 1: and then she opens the door and bounces Jason off
- 1:00:57Speaker 1: the car. If five guys and they're beating one guy up,
- 1:01:01Speaker 1: those burgers are terrible. Yeah, they're terrible.
- 1:01:04Speaker 2: They're not good. I don't like them. I don't like
- 1:01:07Speaker 2: I'm like, what's the big deal about this?
- 1:01:09Speaker 1: Five guys? What are they coming? It's like, why is
- 1:01:12Speaker 1: it five guys? I don't know? Speaking of five guys
- 1:01:19Speaker 1: getting kicked in your five guys, which is what Jenny does,
- 1:01:23Speaker 1: Jason hits, gets his balls hit and like it's kind
- 1:01:28Speaker 1: of cool. It is kind of cool because it's like, well,
- 1:01:30Speaker 1: you're a real person. Yeah, he's a real person and
- 1:01:33Speaker 1: he's alive. Yeah, exactly, Okay, so this is where it
- 1:01:37Speaker 1: gets dicey for me. He was just a survivalist alive
- 1:01:41Speaker 1: in the forest that whole time. Was he like doing
- 1:01:45Speaker 1: stuff with his mom? So he kind of changes the
- 1:01:48Speaker 1: thing in the first one because it's like if he's
- 1:01:51Speaker 1: dead or did the mom just think he's dead. I
- 1:01:54Speaker 1: don't know, my mom thought he was dead.
- 1:01:56Speaker 2: But then why wasn't he with the mom, Like why
- 1:01:59Speaker 2: didn't he go to his mom in all of those
- 1:02:01Speaker 2: thirty years.
- 1:02:03Speaker 1: That I don't know? Maybe we'll find out, dude.
- 1:02:05Speaker 2: Okay, like because that part remains unexplained. Well so far,
- 1:02:10Speaker 2: so far, that's true.
- 1:02:11Speaker 1: They could backlorify it, they could backla But I love
- 1:02:14Speaker 1: I love the scene because it's like the chase scene
- 1:02:16Speaker 1: of Ginny through the forest and like Jason not knowing where,
- 1:02:21Speaker 1: Like you see her run around the car and then
- 1:02:23Speaker 1: him walking by, and then her running around the other side,
- 1:02:26Speaker 1: and then he hears something and then like walks into
- 1:02:29Speaker 1: the forest and like the weird cross fades between between
- 1:02:35Speaker 1: scenes as they're running through the forest. I love it cool.
- 1:02:39Speaker 1: I thought it was really cool. Yeah.
- 1:02:41Speaker 2: Visually, also like it's way less of a dark looking movie,
- 1:02:45Speaker 2: Like I can actually kind of see what's going on? Yeah, totally,
- 1:02:48Speaker 2: it's well lit. I loved I loved how it looked.
- 1:02:51Speaker 2: I loved how it looked because it like it sort
- 1:02:54Speaker 2: of looks like the first one was trying to look
- 1:02:57Speaker 2: you know, yeah exactly.
- 1:02:59Speaker 1: Because of yeah, budgetary constraints. And then Jason comes into
- 1:03:05Speaker 1: another cabin and is like stalking after Ginny and doesn't
- 1:03:10Speaker 1: see her under like a table or whatever, and is
- 1:03:13Speaker 1: like seeing where where hold on seeing where she's gone,
- 1:03:23Speaker 1: and like the little mouse goes by her, and she like,
- 1:03:28Speaker 1: does she piss her pants or does the mouse? No?
- 1:03:30Speaker 2: She well, I think she very yellow pisses her pants,
- 1:03:33Speaker 2: and because I think so, Yeah, but she's just pisses
- 1:03:37Speaker 2: out of fear, and that's what the implication is. And
- 1:03:42Speaker 2: then because we know now that Jason is a certified freak,
- 1:03:46Speaker 2: he comes back for the piss play.
- 1:03:47Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, and and.
- 1:03:50Speaker 2: And discovers where she is because of the piss play. Yeah,
- 1:03:54Speaker 2: he's into golden showers and he can't.
- 1:03:57Speaker 1: But the fact that he's on a chair to stab
- 1:04:00Speaker 1: her in the bed, uh makes it even better because
- 1:04:04Speaker 1: the chair breaks and he falls over and she pulls
- 1:04:08Speaker 1: out the chainsaw and he scared like it holds his
- 1:04:12Speaker 1: hands up. Dude, I love Jason getting for real scared.
- 1:04:15Speaker 1: It's great because you would be you'd be like, oh
- 1:04:18Speaker 1: my god, no, no, the Tables of Turns. I'm no
- 1:04:22Speaker 1: longer in power in this situation. Yeaheah, It's it's really
- 1:04:26Speaker 1: cool and like just that kind of like body acting.
- 1:04:30Speaker 1: Who is this guy? Who is this who?
- 1:04:32Speaker 2: We have to start calling out the Jason's because everybody,
- 1:04:35Speaker 2: like everybody talks about who their favorite Jason is, So
- 1:04:38Speaker 2: we need to know who these Jasons are? Can you
- 1:04:41Speaker 2: can you look it up right now? I'm just Jason.
- 1:04:47Speaker 1: Warrington Gillette.
- 1:04:50Speaker 2: That's the Jason Warrington Gillette.
- 1:04:53Speaker 1: Is he the same Jason that? Who is Jason in
- 1:04:55Speaker 1: the first one? Let's see, Oh, well he was the
- 1:04:58Speaker 1: kid who was it was a kid, It was a kid. Yeah,
- 1:05:03Speaker 1: so it was Lumpy Jason.
- 1:05:05Speaker 2: The first Lumpy Jason was ari Lehman, I guess so yeah, yeah,
- 1:05:11Speaker 2: as the young son of camp Cook turned killer Missus
- 1:05:15Speaker 2: Vorkies in which he in which he was portrayed by
- 1:05:19Speaker 2: Ari Lehman.
- 1:05:20Speaker 1: Okay, so she Ginny runs into the forest and she
- 1:05:27Speaker 1: catches on to Jason's house, which has a lot of
- 1:05:33Speaker 1: dead bodies, a lot of dead bodies. Whoa dude? Ari
- 1:05:37Speaker 1: Lehman is like, he's like a punk rock and heavy
- 1:05:42Speaker 1: metal band. Nice. He's like a musician, like a famous musician. Cool.
- 1:05:52Speaker 1: I mean with that kind of cred, you'd have to
- 1:05:53Speaker 1: be right.
- 1:05:54Speaker 2: Yeah for years now, that's crazy anyway, interesting, Okay, okay,
- 1:06:00Speaker 2: he's the metal.
- 1:06:01Speaker 1: Dude looks like this. Oh yeah, totally. That's the first Jason.
- 1:06:04Speaker 1: I mean we gave him ten we gave him.
- 1:06:08Speaker 2: Yeah, ten uh machetes days look at him as as
- 1:06:14Speaker 2: as Jason Puffy with the puffy mask.
- 1:06:17Speaker 1: This was a great idea because this person, this character
- 1:06:21Speaker 1: is the most perceptive of all of them, which is like,
- 1:06:24Speaker 1: I feel bad for this guy, like what like, you know,
- 1:06:27Speaker 1: your mom dies, You're like some weird person that people
- 1:06:31Speaker 1: are like gross, they hate you. What Keys was saying
- 1:06:36Speaker 1: was that he's a Frankenstein's monster, and he is a
- 1:06:38Speaker 1: Frankenstein's monster. His mom understood misunderstood killing people because people
- 1:06:44Speaker 1: underestimate are undervalue you. Uh. And then she puts on
- 1:06:48Speaker 1: the the sweater that.
- 1:06:51Speaker 2: She puts on this idea, this idea to put on
- 1:06:54Speaker 2: the sweater to try the tooth with this she's trying
- 1:06:56Speaker 2: the tooth hard. Yeah, Like it's kind of interesting, like
- 1:07:04Speaker 2: she because she's the one who's expressed.
- 1:07:06Speaker 1: The most sort of like compassion towards him and his
- 1:07:12Speaker 1: lore and the the like fading from him to them
- 1:07:17Speaker 1: or her to the mom. Uh and then still threatening
- 1:07:21Speaker 1: because he can kind of see. And then she's like, Jason,
- 1:07:24Speaker 1: stop doing it right.
- 1:07:26Speaker 2: Every time she gets more stern, it turns more into
- 1:07:29Speaker 2: the mom. Did you notice that? Which I thought was interesting?
- 1:07:33Speaker 2: And like the way he is able to see, she
- 1:07:36Speaker 2: makes him kneel before her, which was also like a
- 1:07:40Speaker 2: very weird power move. But because he does that, he
- 1:07:45Speaker 2: behind her sees the head of the mom.
- 1:07:47Speaker 1: Yeah. And then and then she Jenny tries to like
- 1:07:51Speaker 1: machete him in the head.
- 1:07:52Speaker 2: But dude, like, I wonder if we're going to get
- 1:07:55Speaker 2: more of this, This like idea of trying to confuse Jason.
- 1:07:59Speaker 1: We got that in in in Freddy when he Freddy
- 1:08:03Speaker 1: versus Jason, when he, like Freddy, becomes her the mom
- 1:08:09Speaker 1: and is like confusing, Yeah, you're confused, Jason. But then
- 1:08:14Speaker 1: Paul comes in, breaks in and has like a very
- 1:08:17Speaker 1: real also a very realistic fight with that Jason.
- 1:08:20Speaker 2: Butter would be so gross and the way she like
- 1:08:23Speaker 2: happily puts it on.
- 1:08:24Speaker 1: I'm like, it's very long time to put it on.
- 1:08:29Speaker 1: It's like fucking gross, dude. It was like Jesus. But
- 1:08:34Speaker 1: also she like, as Jason is gonna pickaxe Paul, Jenny
- 1:08:41Speaker 1: comes up to him and fucking machee chops his shoulder
- 1:08:46Speaker 1: and like so much so that he would probably be.
- 1:08:50Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I I mean like, yeah, so this is
- 1:08:59Speaker 2: you know, so obviously the first time we're getting sort
- 1:09:02Speaker 2: of like at the very least, he's got the brute
- 1:09:06Speaker 2: strength to survive something, so yeah, like to be so
- 1:09:11Speaker 2: like bodily compromised, you know what I mean, Like he's
- 1:09:15Speaker 2: got some kind of wolverine regeneration powers or something.
- 1:09:18Speaker 1: We don't know. We don't know yet, but like that's
- 1:09:21Speaker 1: kind of cool.
- 1:09:22Speaker 2: Is that he's either superhuman or he's he'sonically majestic or
- 1:09:27Speaker 2: survivalist or really strong, just a really strong normal dude.
- 1:09:30Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't know, we don't know. Yeah, Jenny's been
- 1:09:33Speaker 1: pickaxed in the leg. Paul takes her into another cabin
- 1:09:37Speaker 1: to get like treatment for it.
- 1:09:42Speaker 2: Just I want to shout out the single eye yeah,
- 1:09:45Speaker 2: emoting of the single eye on sack.
- 1:09:48Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Great Jason. Great Jason. I'm excited to give
- 1:09:52Speaker 1: the Jasons for this one. And we get the first time,
- 1:09:56Speaker 1: uh not just burlap sack Jason, but melted non zombie Jason.
- 1:10:02Speaker 1: Melted non zombie Jason. Yeah. Yeah, and they hear some
- 1:10:07Speaker 1: Paul hears something outside and grabs the end of a
- 1:10:11Speaker 1: shovel and she's got the pitchfork. Pitchfork. Yeah, he's got
- 1:10:16Speaker 1: so many weapons.
- 1:10:16Speaker 2: In this there's yeah, yeah for sure. And I like
- 1:10:19Speaker 2: that there's like like it's you know, it's all like
- 1:10:23Speaker 2: working ground. Yeah, things that would have been left behind
- 1:10:27Speaker 2: in the camp, you.
- 1:10:27Speaker 1: Know, totally. And then they go to he Paul goes
- 1:10:32Speaker 1: to open the door and he opens it and it's
- 1:10:36Speaker 1: actually the dog, the puppy that was was Ginny's in
- 1:10:40Speaker 1: the first place. I think.
- 1:10:42Speaker 2: So I'm just opened this action figure. I just googled
- 1:10:47Speaker 2: Jason from part two and I opened this action figure
- 1:10:50Speaker 2: and it has like the mask, the berlepsack mask, the
- 1:10:54Speaker 2: unmasked Jason, so the goop face Jason. It's got the
- 1:10:57Speaker 2: mom's head, it's got the pickaxe, it's got them, it's
- 1:11:00Speaker 2: got the uh pitchfork, it's got the spear and it's
- 1:11:04Speaker 2: got the the the butcher's knife as well, which are
- 1:11:08Speaker 2: all the weapons, and then it's got a fire campfire
- 1:11:10Speaker 2: to look.
- 1:11:12Speaker 1: Nice. Isn't that amazing? Yeah, that's great. And you can
- 1:11:15Speaker 1: take off the mask, the bro lap sack. Yeah, like place.
- 1:11:20Speaker 1: Jason was cool. Yeah, he was very cool.
- 1:11:22Speaker 2: He'd beard, I hadding teeth. I had no idea and
- 1:11:27Speaker 2: we we they shot him from like two sides, so
- 1:11:29Speaker 2: and I was like, are there two of them? But
- 1:11:31Speaker 2: his face just looks so radically on either side, and
- 1:11:35Speaker 2: and he's kind of like elephant manny.
- 1:11:37Speaker 1: He is very elephant manny. He comes in grabs Ginny
- 1:11:41Speaker 1: and then the same thing happens is last time, which
- 1:11:43Speaker 1: is and he's got the coolest ever. He's like just
- 1:11:46Speaker 1: like completely bald on one side with long curly hair.
- 1:11:51Speaker 1: It's kind of amazing, dude. I love I loved I
- 1:11:54Speaker 1: loved Jason, like I love Jason's face. I'm so excited
- 1:11:58Speaker 1: to see the evolution of like as he gets gray
- 1:12:01Speaker 1: skined and stuff. And we don't know what happens to Paul.
- 1:12:06Speaker 1: It's just Genny gets taken away into the hospital to
- 1:12:10Speaker 1: continue the lore with the different characters. Well, we'll see dude,
- 1:12:13Speaker 1: we'll see and I like the passing of the charge. Yeah,
- 1:12:17Speaker 1: that's and that's that's it for the movie. The cool
- 1:12:21Speaker 1: eighty seven minutes. Yeah, man, what would you rate this one? Uh,
- 1:12:30Speaker 1: it's definitely a big, big improvement, big boom, a big improvement.
- 1:12:37Speaker 1: I would definitely give it. I probably give this an eight. Yeah,
- 1:12:42Speaker 1: that's exactly the score I was thinking. I think eight.
- 1:12:44Speaker 2: I think eight in the series too. I don't know
- 1:12:46Speaker 2: if if I'm to believe that they're because I haven't
- 1:12:50Speaker 2: seen them, so I don't know. But if I'm to
- 1:12:53Speaker 2: believe that the fourth one is the best one, and
- 1:12:54Speaker 2: I'm going to give that one a ten, and that's
- 1:12:56Speaker 2: what I'm rating the series out of, then I have
- 1:12:59Speaker 2: to give this one because it was really good. But
- 1:13:02Speaker 2: I'm imagining that it's gonna get better, and that's exciting
- 1:13:05Speaker 2: to me. I wonder if the third one is slightly
- 1:13:08Speaker 2: better or slightly worse than this one.
- 1:13:10Speaker 1: What do I remember? I don't know. If I don't know,
- 1:13:15Speaker 1: I do.
- 1:13:16Speaker 2: I'm excited, though, you know what, I also want to say,
- 1:13:18Speaker 2: even though like the last episode was so dour and
- 1:13:21Speaker 2: we like put down the movie so much, I was
- 1:13:25Speaker 2: excited and I thought that came through in the episode
- 1:13:27Speaker 2: of there's still being a sense of excitement about being
- 1:13:31Speaker 2: on the journey of this series because like I'm like, okay,
- 1:13:35Speaker 2: Like I know, Ky's got very very upset he had
- 1:13:38Speaker 2: he had a very strong reaction to the last episode,
- 1:13:42Speaker 2: and I just want to say, like listen, like I
- 1:13:45Speaker 2: think I think it's great. I now understand better having
- 1:13:50Speaker 2: seen the second movie why the first one is important,
- 1:13:53Speaker 2: and I like the first one for those reasons. I
- 1:13:56Speaker 2: still think it is what it is, and I think
- 1:13:58Speaker 2: it's you know, like never has a part two made
- 1:14:02Speaker 2: a Part one so much cooler and more backlorified. And
- 1:14:07Speaker 2: so I like it and I'm into it, and and
- 1:14:10Speaker 2: I'm like now on board for this series, Like I've
- 1:14:13Speaker 2: invested to see what happens to Jason, like because it's
- 1:14:17Speaker 2: now a big story that he's on. He's the singular
- 1:14:20Speaker 2: character that ties in all of the movies.
- 1:14:22Speaker 1: Right, So yeah, like it's gonna be cool, I think.
- 1:14:28Speaker 1: So I'm excited.
- 1:14:30Speaker 2: I'm excited to s Are you excited to see where
- 1:14:32Speaker 2: the VARs saga goes?
- 1:14:33Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, I mean I've seen all these movies,
- 1:14:35Speaker 1: but like I.
- 1:14:37Speaker 2: Get the sense from from K's reaction. I get the
- 1:14:40Speaker 2: sense that you don't have the familiarity.
- 1:14:43Speaker 1: With it that you think you do. I mean, I'm
- 1:14:46Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I have a familiarity with it.
- 1:14:48Speaker 1: I'm saying that I've seen all of them. That's not
- 1:14:51Speaker 1: that's not a familiarity. No one said anything about a familiarity.
- 1:14:54Speaker 1: But what we're doing now is going to be a familiarity.
- 1:14:56Speaker 1: And speaking of familiar with speaking.
- 1:14:58Speaker 2: Of familiarity, why don't we look at are our our Jason?
- 1:15:02Speaker 2: Are Jason Machette's rubric? Okay, let's look at what it says.
- 1:15:11Speaker 2: Let's look at what it says Friday metric. How imposing
- 1:15:17Speaker 2: and scary is Jason? How horny is it? How audacious
- 1:15:22Speaker 2: are the kills? Do the characters have character? And I
- 1:15:26Speaker 2: would say a resounding yes to all of these. Yes, horny, Yes,
- 1:15:33Speaker 2: imposing and scary, Yes, audacious the kills, and yes the
- 1:15:37Speaker 2: characters are charactering.
- 1:15:39Speaker 1: So I would give it.
- 1:15:40Speaker 2: I would give it an eight. I'm standing by my rating.
- 1:15:43Speaker 2: But but I want to talk more specifically about let's
- 1:15:45Speaker 2: come up with the rubric for Jason. So so far
- 1:15:48Speaker 2: Jason does Jason have motivation? And I think Jason has
- 1:15:53Speaker 2: motivation in this one? Does Jason have like a like
- 1:15:58Speaker 2: a are the kill was cool?
- 1:16:00Speaker 1: Is it? Like in in line with like? I think
- 1:16:04Speaker 1: the kills were like fairly okay, I think they were cool.
- 1:16:08Speaker 1: I thought they were cool for a normal guy. And
- 1:16:12Speaker 1: that's that's what he is all we need.
- 1:16:14Speaker 2: That's all we need he that's all we need from
- 1:16:17Speaker 2: him at this point. And I think that like knowing
- 1:16:20Speaker 2: where we're gonna get to of his super humanity, I
- 1:16:23Speaker 2: think that's cool. Like, which, which one is this?
- 1:16:26Speaker 1: Who is this? Who is this guy? What is his name?
- 1:16:30Speaker 1: His name is Robert Paul Jason from part two? Is Warrington? Warrington?
- 1:16:38Speaker 1: Warrington Jillette? Okay? Does he reprise his role as Jason? Never? Okay?
- 1:16:44Speaker 2: So we only get one Warrington Jellette. I liked Warrington Jillette.
- 1:16:48Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. I thought he was really good.
- 1:16:51Speaker 2: I and I thought like he did a lot of
- 1:16:53Speaker 2: like really interesting choices with the body. I thought his
- 1:16:57Speaker 2: hands looked really good.
- 1:16:58Speaker 1: I thought the the director made really good choices with
- 1:17:03Speaker 1: feet shots and like feeling menacing.
- 1:17:08Speaker 2: But to make choices with the way that the body's
- 1:17:11Speaker 2: gonna move regardless of like everything enacting is a choice, right,
- 1:17:14Speaker 2: so like regardless of like how you know, like I'm
- 1:17:18Speaker 2: just lumbering, you know, like but it's cool. It's like
- 1:17:22Speaker 2: it gives a humanity to this character that like I
- 1:17:26Speaker 2: think he needed in order to like be like, Okay,
- 1:17:30Speaker 2: I see the journey this character is on. Yeh, when
- 1:17:32Speaker 2: does Caine Hotter come. That's in the fourth one, right,
- 1:17:43Speaker 2: I don't know. Actually, with four appearances in the series
- 1:17:58Speaker 2: seven eight, okay, So he's in like the later ones.
- 1:18:08Speaker 2: He's in Friday the Thirteenth, The New Blood, He's in
- 1:18:12Speaker 2: Jason Takes Manhattan.
- 1:18:14Speaker 1: It's like.
- 1:18:16Speaker 2: The Final Friday in which he played also plays Freddy
- 1:18:20Speaker 2: Krueger's Claude glove hand Jason X in the video game
- 1:18:26Speaker 2: Friday the Thirteenth the game. Uh yeah, okay. So he's
- 1:18:31Speaker 2: also known for his role as Victor Crawley in the
- 1:18:33Speaker 2: Hatchet series, and he also played pleather Face in the
- 1:18:37Speaker 2: Texas Chasaw Massacre three and the motion capture video game
- 1:18:41Speaker 2: of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
- 1:18:43Speaker 1: So he's got like some some you know, he's got
- 1:18:49Speaker 1: some like what's called like credibility in this kind of role.
- 1:18:57Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm very I'm very excited to sort of
- 1:18:59Speaker 2: like now, like be steeped enough in the law and
- 1:19:03Speaker 2: excited enough about the character that I feel like every
- 1:19:07Speaker 2: series will have something to tell me. Every installment of
- 1:19:11Speaker 2: the series will have something to tell me about this
- 1:19:13Speaker 2: character and.
- 1:19:14Speaker 1: About why the law is so important.
- 1:19:18Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's what I'm invested in now, That's what
- 1:19:20Speaker 2: I'm excited about.
- 1:19:25Speaker 1: So how many? How many machetes would be given? I mean, yeah,
- 1:19:31Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting because it changes so much from
- 1:19:36Speaker 1: movie to movie that I'm like, I wonder if I'm
- 1:19:38Speaker 1: gonna get like, because I want to give it.
- 1:19:40Speaker 2: He's setting the bar though, Yeah, he's setting the bar,
- 1:19:43Speaker 2: so you have to take into considering.
- 1:19:45Speaker 1: You have to take that into consideration. It's our first
- 1:19:48Speaker 1: real characterization of Jason. Yeah, and I think it's cool.
- 1:19:53Speaker 1: I think it's cool too, so i'd probably give it
- 1:19:55Speaker 1: a ten.
- 1:19:56Speaker 2: I'd give it a ten too. Yeah, ten machetes. Ten
- 1:20:00Speaker 2: Jason's ten out of ten hockey masks, even though we
- 1:20:03Speaker 2: don't even have one. He pretends to touch one, but
- 1:20:06Speaker 2: he's actually just a bur upside follow us that.
- 1:20:09Speaker 1: There's more. There's more presents on Instagram at more thirsty
- 1:20:12Speaker 1: on Twitter, and guys, why don't you join us on
- 1:20:20Speaker 1: Patriot where we do all kinds of things, like different
- 1:20:26Speaker 1: kinds of episodes. We do Thirsty for More, we do,
- 1:20:31Speaker 1: we do versus episodes, we do, we do even a
- 1:20:37Speaker 1: whole series called well it's not the Pantheon series too,
- 1:20:41Speaker 1: but what is it. Well, we do a bunch of
- 1:20:47Speaker 1: Alien the Alien series, we did Back to the Future,
- 1:20:51Speaker 1: we did SCHWARTZI we did.
- 1:20:52Speaker 2: No No, I know those ones were all released though
- 1:20:54Speaker 2: to the masses. I'm just saying what you can only
- 1:20:56Speaker 2: get on Patreon, which is as of lately, I haven't
- 1:21:00Speaker 2: been master releasing these at all for a while. But yeah,
- 1:21:05Speaker 2: if you guys also, so far, it's only the patrons
- 1:21:07Speaker 2: that are really even hearing us. Nice hey, patrons, we
- 1:21:10Speaker 2: really appreciate you. Thank you for keeping this show going
- 1:21:15Speaker 2: and paying for the show. It really means a loss
- 1:21:18Speaker 2: of us, and I hope that you all are listening
- 1:21:20Speaker 2: to this fucking Thirsty for Core. It's gonna be a
- 1:21:22Speaker 2: fucking landmark series.
- 1:21:24Speaker 1: Dude. Yeah, all right, see you next week.