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Kelsea Studebaker: Keys For Parents On ‘Training Godly Warriors’ · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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Hey, friends, family and Christ, thank you so much for watching, listening, sharing
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We're going to talk about training godly warriors today.
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There's a brand new book out with that title.
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Christians often quote Proverbs 22, six.
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Train up a child in the way he should go.
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And even when he is old, he will not depart from it.
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But the question is, what does that training look like?
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So that's what we're going to be talking about in this episode of World View Matters.
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So I want to bring in today's guest.
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The website is traininggodlywarriors.com, traininggodlywarriors.com.
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Kelsey Studebaker is a former Christian school teacher turned homeschool mom of seven little
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blessings, warriors and training, she calls them ages two to 13.
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Kelsey has another website called teacher gems.com.
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She also has written articles for Old Schoolhouse magazine and has been a guest blogger on several
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websites, including Mines in Bloom and move it Christian and more.
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And she's on Facebook, you can connect with her there and her brand new book and workbook,
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the companion resource.
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This, there's so much that has gone into this so that I'm going to ask her about training godly
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warriors such an important topic, knowing that children walk away from the faith of their
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raising the Christian faith, they start doubting by the time they're in middle school.
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So by the time they're in high school, they're gone, used to be after one year in college.
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Well, not anymore.
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They start leaving sooner now.
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We're trying to prevent that and people like Kelsey is doing something about it with training godly
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warriors.
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The book, Kelsey, good to see you.
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Thanks for your time.
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Thank you for having me.
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Yeah, so appreciate you not only doing the book, but the workbook so people can practically
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work through this and you've got a lot of great ideas for application.
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So let's start with the first question.
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These, there's a lot that went into this.
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I've written books and I know how much it takes and just looking at some of the content.
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How long did it, when did you start writing?
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Is this years of gathering things from a homeschooling and trying to raise your kids up and
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discipling your kids, tell us about that process first.
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So I actually didn't have a plan to write a book.
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It was a few years ago, a three years ago, where I felt the Lord prompting me to host
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a homeschool mom's retreat.
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And as I, and when I volunteered to do that, I better pray about what, you know, encouraging
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inspirational message the Lord would have me share with the moms.
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And so I started praying about it and then one morning as I was reading my Bible, I came
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across Psalm 78.
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And then in this Psalm, asaf is the writer and he's one of the Levites assigned by David
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to be a temple musician and he's giving a plea to the Israelites and he says, oh, my
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people, listen, open your ears to what I'm about to say to you.
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He says, we will not hide these truths from our children.
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We will tell the next generation about the glorious deeds of our Lord, about his power
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and his mighty wonders.
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So then he goes on to tell them how their ancestors had failed to do that and the consequences
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of their failure.
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They lost their fear of the Lord, they began to continually sin against him and it wasn't
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until the Lord began killing them that they finally repented.
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But then it says in verse 36 that all they gave him was the lip service and their hearts
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were not loyal to him.
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And so reading those words really pierced my heart and made me long for my own children,
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seven precious children to avoid the superficial faith.
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And so I cried out to the Lord and said, Lord, how do we train our children to be godly
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warriors who don't just know the right things to say, but who actively live out their faith
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in the way that brings you glory?
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And it was in that moment that I felt the Holy Spirit say that is what I want you to teach
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the moms.
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And so I share, I ended up sharing this with the moms and long story short, I wrote this
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book after they encouraged me to share it with others.
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Well, I'm just going to flip right quick over to page 147.
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But there's so many great quotes, so many excerpts that you highlight throughout the
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book.
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And this tells you a lot about you and about the book.
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It says godly warriors must read and obey God's word and be careful to develop a keen sense
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of awareness through critical thinking skills, discernment and apologetics.
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So like you said, not just be able to have certain responses that are canned, maybe like
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we grow up, you know, why do you believe the Bible because or why do you think that the
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Bible is true or whatever?
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Why do you believe God?
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Because the Bible says so.
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That's it.
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You know, we don't have a lot more that goes deeper than that, but you're you're going
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a lot deeper in the book before we get more into some questions specifically about the
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book and the workbook, Kelsey.
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I think you've got a very important story that maybe a lot of viewers and listeners cannot
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maybe relate to in the strength and the Christian support you had in your family,
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growing up, talk to us about your parents.
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And I know you'd like to share, I'd like you to share about your grandmother's influence
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on you.
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Yes.
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So I have been very blessed in my life with some very strong godly warrior role models.
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And starting with my grandmother who died when I was only 12, but whose impact on my
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life has lasted all these years, she was such a strong Christian.
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She would share the gospel with anyone she met.
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She just exuded a love for Jesus.
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She never shied away from tough discussions, but she always did it with gentleness and
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love.
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And so that has just really impacted me.
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And then also my dad is the epitome of a godly warrior.
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He reminds me a lot of the or Philip, the evangelist in Acts 8 when the Holy Spirit comes
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to him and he says, go and walk alongside this carriage until that he could witness to
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the Ethiopian eunuch.
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And it says that Philip ran to go and share with him.
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And so he didn't hesitate to follow the Holy Spirit's leading in his life.
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And I feel like my dad is that just to explain to him to the tea, he, well, if he sees a
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need, he just runs to go and meet it.
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My mom as well, they're always serving serving others.
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They are opening their home to others.
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We always have people living with us growing up.
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They just have such servant hearts and they love to share the gospel.
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My dad hosts weekly Bible studies.
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So yes, they've had a huge impact on my life for sure.
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Well, I want to include the subtitle, which is just as important, I think is the title.
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I'm not sure if I, yeah, maybe I did share it, but it's training godly warriors.
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The subtitle is how to take your children through spiritual, basic training.
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And I like the way you used military information and concepts and training.
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And where did you get that idea to put into this?
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Were you totally in the warrior soldier mindset when you did that?
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So when I cried out to the Lord and said, how do we train our children to be godly warriors?
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And he said, like, that's what I want you to teach the moms.
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I thought, okay, well, I don't know anything about being a warrior.
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I've never been the military.
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And so my natural thought was, well, what does the military do?
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And so I started studying the military's basic training and quickly found that many of
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the underlying principles could be applied to a spiritual basic training.
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And I've also blessed to have a brother-in-law who was in the special forces of the Marine
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Corps.
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So he was a great sounding board for me as I wrote this book as well.
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I'm looking at something on page 26.
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This is really interesting to me that you would put this in here and I want you to explain
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why.
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I think I know, but you've got lenses to view the world.
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You've got three different lenses.
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You've got types of worldviews.
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You've got a biblical worldview.
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You've got a partial biblical, partial secular worldview, which is really, I think probably
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a large part of the church in America, sadly.
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And then you've got a non-biblical worldview or secular worldview with no lenses.
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But I'd love for you to explain why you decided to put that in there, especially kind of
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pointing out that this is a problem with some people maybe one foot in the Bible, one
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foot in the world, the secular world.
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Go ahead, Kelsey.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So I like to simplify things for my children.
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I know there is a plethora of worldviews out there, but I think they can all fall into
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one of these three categories.
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Either we have a biblical worldview where we believe the entire Bible is God's absolute
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truth, or we may have a partial biblical, partial secular, where we believe some parts
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of the Bible are true, but not all, and we kind of pick Jews what we like, which is probably
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the most dangerous one to have, or we have no biblical worldview.
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And so I use this, the example of abortion with my children when I'm teaching this and
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say, you know, we believe that abortion is murder because we see everything through
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the lens of Scripture.
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And we know from God's word that we are destroying a human life created in his image, whereas
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those who are missing their biblical lenses do not think abortion is murder.
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They just view the baby as a clump of cells that can be destroyed without much thought.
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And because their biblical lenses are missing, they lack a fear of the Lord that tells them
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they're destroying an innocent human being created in God's image.
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And so I think just simplifying it for our children, but also showing them the importance
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of having those biblical lenses.
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By the way, the middle one, you might want to call it cafeteria Christianity.
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You know, you kind of go through the cafeteria line and pick a little bit of this, maybe
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a little bit of that.
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Oh my goodness.
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So I know I'm jumping around quite a bit, but as I was flipping through the book, there's
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just things that stood out to me.
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This is one of the challenging things.
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I had a pastor when I lived in Southern California of a Calvary Chapel, Bob Coopany.
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I think that was his name.
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And he would always say he was a former police officer, became a pastor.
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So he kind of had that strict discipline, like military-like background in training.
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And he was a no-bible, no-breakfast guy.
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And so on page 63, you've got this simple encouragement, Bible, before breakfast.
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You really focus on, you're talking about training children up, but you're also helping
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moms or dads.
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Usually it's the mom who has at home with the children going through this kind of book
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and helping them.
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So that's a very important priority to say, okay, word of God, we feed on the word of God
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before we feed our bodies, food.
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So talk to us a little bit about that.
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Yes, I got that from Ray Comfort.
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He always says, Bible, before breakfast, I love that.
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But it's important that we feed ourselves spiritually before we feed ourselves physically.
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Paul talks about that, too, and just the importance of getting in the word daily.
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And then also, like you mentioned, modeling it for our children.
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There is a professor, Christian Smith, who's a professor of sociology at the University
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of Notre Dame.
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And he conducted a 16-year study following 3,000 adolescents, or children from adolescents
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through adulthood.
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And he found that the number one reason why some children stay in the faith that they were
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brought up in is because of the impact of their parents leading by example.
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And so it's just so important that we are in the word daily.
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Our children can see through hypocrisy.
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And so we want to be genuine in our own faith.
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And we can't train our children to be godly warriors if we're not being an example of a
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godly warrior ourselves.
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So I just think it's so important getting in the word daily and modeling that for our children
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as well.
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Amen.
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And another thing you model is evangelism.
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So when we come back, we're going to take a very brief pause where with Kelsey, Stude
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Baker, when we come back, we're going to talk about sharing the gospel and how she's
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got practical steps that you can actually help your kids do some role-playing.
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Everything I'll have her walk us through that when we come right back on World View Matters.
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And we will let you know as soon as the registration is up and the website is up for the conference,
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it's going to be fun.
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It's going to be exciting and great benefit to the body of Christ locally and regionally.
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So Kelsey and I do want to get to the workbook.
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So anytime you want to transition or add something from the workbook, please do.
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But I'm going over to chapter 9 simulations and on page 194, a great little chart there
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with six steps on sharing the gospel.
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So walk through that.
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I think that's so important to raise or train godly warriors to share the gospel.
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Yes.
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So just helping our children to learn how to share the gospel first and foremost, we can
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do role playing with them where we play the part of the skeptic as they share the gospel
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with us.
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And then we can help them adjust their approach and also like set them up for rejection as
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well because we are going to have to deal with rejection at times.
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And so helping them learn to be able to handle that is important as well.
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And then we just one thing we like to do is we like to carry gospel tracks with us.
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And we will even bring little booklets to the dentist office and set a booklet on the
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table.
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And it's just a simple way to share the gospel.
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We don't even have to talk to anybody.
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We can just leave it there as a simple way to like start getting in the habit of always
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being prepared with an answer, always coming prepared with a gospel track.
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It's also a great icebreaker for conversations.
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So I like to carry the Living Waters YouTube channel a little card with me and I will go
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out to people and say, Hey, do you like YouTube?
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Check out this channel.
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It's my favorite.
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And everybody loves YouTube.
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They always take it and they're, you know, it's just a little way to help our children
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to break the ice and conversations and get that conversation started.
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So at the end of each chapter, you've got questions, you know, to think about to review
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the chapter and kind of apply practical things.
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Now how is, I love that idea, by the way, that's very important.
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So how is that different maybe from the workbook?
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Yeah, so at the end of each chapter, there are questions to help you to come up with
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a strategic plan to be able to immediately implement with your children from the things
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that you've learned in each chapter.
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The workbook is activity pages for students for children to do with their parents.
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It's a 30 day spiritual basic training unit study.
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So I give you ideas for each day and then there's activity pages to go along with it.
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And so this is geared towards, well, the home school family I had in mind when I created
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this.
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So I tried to differentiate it for a variety of ages.
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So it's probably about grades one to five and just different activity pages to help your
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children learn the principles that were conveyed in the book.
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There's a lot in there.
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I mean, my goodness and all the sections.
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So I don't remember if you shared how long it took for you to do both the book and
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the workbook.
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It was three years, three years, but I'm busy.
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I'm a busy mom.
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I have seven children.
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So I only do it when I have time.
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So there's moms out there with maybe one or two young kids going, geez, we had to put
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the pressure on, we had to raise the bar or Kelsey of bar of expectations.
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So let's wrap up maybe the book and then I'll jump over to the workbook for the last
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couple questions.
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Chapter 11 tells about advanced weapons training.
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What's that about?
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So in this chapter, we explore the gifts of the spirit and how we can use the gifts that
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God has given us in alignment with his word while being led by the Holy Spirit to have
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the most impact for the kingdom.
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Awesome.
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Gifts of the spirit.
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They're often ignored.
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You know, there's that debate, are they still working today?
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We all have different gifts, talents.
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So I appreciate you putting that in there.
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And the companion resource now, the workbook, like I said, 30-day spiritual basic training
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unit, just looking at the questions, looking at the charts, the armor of God, just different
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things you put in there.
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What does each commandment say?
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Again, friends, this is for younger children.
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But Kelsey, this is really a good thing for parents, especially moms, homeschool moms
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or any mom that wants to take their kids through this kind of training, spiritual training.
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Tell us more about that.
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Yeah, so I wanted to keep it simple and practical because I think a lot of times we get the spiritual,
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you know, do this, do that, but how do we do it?
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And so I wanted to give all the tools necessary to start this and it's basic training.
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So it's the first step.
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So it's not like, do this and you're going to be good.
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So it's the first step in training our children.
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And so, you know, even if I could just share one example, there's one page I talk about,
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the idea of meditating on God's word and how this word meditation has been redefined
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by our world to be emptying our minds.
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When God's word says just the opposite, he says we need to fill our minds with his word
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and meditating on his word day and night.
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And I like to use the analogy, the parable that Jesus gave in Matthew 12, where he talks
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about the man that had the unclean spirit and how when that spirit was cast out, he came
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back with seven more evil spirits.
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And when he came back, he found that the home had been emptied, swept clean, and put
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in order.
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And so I say to my kids, well, what was wrong with that, doesn't it sound like he cleaned
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up his life?
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He got rid of the filth.
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But then I remind them that to be empty is to be vulnerable to the enemy's attacks.
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Just like if a field's left empty, it's soon overtaken by weeds or a home left empty
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is soon overtaken by insects.
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And if we are empty, we're vulnerable.
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So then I ask my kids, what should the man have done instead or after he had emptied
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his home of this filth?
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Well, he should have repented of allowing that filth in his life in the first place.
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He should have put his trust in Jesus and he should have filled his mind with God's
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word.
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And that way, when the enemy came back, he would find that the home was no longer vacant,
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but filled with the Holy Spirit.
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And he would now have the sort of the spirit to fight off the enemy when he came back.
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And so just practical things like that that we can teach our children to show them the
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importance of Scripture and meditating on the word daily.
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And then also not allowing the devil with his tactics of redefining words to trip them
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up.
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Yes, redefining words, he's evil, scheming, he's really good at that and the left does
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are really good at redefining words.
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I wrote a book about that, 2017, called redefining truth.
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Anyway, didn't mean to give myself a plug there, but it came up.
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Kelsey, your former Christian teacher, tell us about what you do on the website or what
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is at TeacherGems.com.
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I know I mentioned at the very beginning.
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Yeah, so I was a Christian school teacher for six years before I had my first child
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and decided to stay home with my children and my sisters and sister-in-laws were homeschooling
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at the time.
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And so I kept sending them emails with, oh, check out this great website, check out this
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website.
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And then I thought, well, that's silly.
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They're not going to search through their emails to find these websites all the time.
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So I should just put a website together with a list of all these great educational resources.
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And so that's how the website TeacherGems started.
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It has a bunch of different websites that I found helpful in my teaching.
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And then I've also been creating teaching resources.
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Since I left the classroom, I started creating my own resources and selling them on Teachers
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by Teachers and also my own website.
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Yep, I noticed in the back of the workbook, you've got recommended resources, you've got
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books for further study, you've got books to read to your children, you've got YouTube
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channels, you've got videos, just a couple of pages of recommended resources there.
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I see Ken Ham, Ray Comfort, Lee Strobel, Kirk Cameron, way to go, Kelsey.
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So really quick, I want to go back.
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How did you connect?
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We've had Dran Reese on this podcast.
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I met her at a Liberty Pastors conference.
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It was either the one in Texas or Oklahoma.
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Maybe she was at both, but I met her and she's been on here.
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And of course, she's with BraveSalt.com, the Salt and Light Council.
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You did a lecture last month on training, godly warriors.
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I'm just curious, how did you connect with Dran Reese and the Salt and Light Council?
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Yeah, so I'm actually the Salt and Light coordinator for our church for the ministry at our church.
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And so I'm an affiliate with the Salt and Light Council.
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Oh, that met her and she's wonderful.
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They have such a great ministry.
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If people don't know about the Salt and Light Council, it's a wonderful resource for
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your churches to get plugged in and to be able to start this ministry to help your congregations
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learn to be Salt and Light in the world.
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I highly recommend checking that out.
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They have, I think they have monthly trainings as well, so you can do that.
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BraveSalt.com, I gotta get in touch with Dran again and get her back on.
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That says a lot about your pastor and that he gets it, that Christians are supposed to do
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something Monday through Saturday outside of church walls to impact culture for Christ,
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impact the society around us for righteousness.
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Tell us about what's the name of your church.
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I know you're in Michigan.
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Just tell us your church and pastor.
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Yeah, so I go to Georgetown Christian Fellowship.
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It's in Hudsonville, Michigan.
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Our pastor is Calvin Bergzmann and he's very involved with the Liberty pastors of Michigan
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and it's just awesome.
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We love it.
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My husband and I are both precinct delegates.
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We're involved with the political side of things as well.
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But we know we need to be living out our faith in the public square as well and we can't
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just be church Christians and not living it out in the world.
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We have Paul Blair on the podcast often.
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I've been at two couple conferences there.
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That was in 2020, I think, when the world was going nuts with COVID and misinformation
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in the nonsense.
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Here we went and did a conference, Liberty pastors and it was kind of interesting.
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You go out and this is outside of the hotel, you know, everyone's wearing their mask.
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You walk into the conference, where's all the masks?
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Anyway.
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The hotel was very cool about that, by the way, and I think grapevine, Texas.
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But anyway, we've got about a minute and a half here, Kelsey.
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I just want to give you your busy mom, homeschool mom.
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You've got seven kids.
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You're doing a great job.
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I know it doesn't feel like it at times because it just seems like you're just trying to
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keep up, as you mentioned, just remaining sane.
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But just encourage young parents, specifically moms right now and however way you'd like
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in the last minute or so, please.
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I would say the best thing you can do is to work on your personal relationship with
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the Lord, make time with him your daily priority.
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So for me, that looks like I read his word every morning on my phone before I get out
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of bed.
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Before my kids can come interrupt me, they know it's mommy's quiet time.
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I just make it a priority.
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My husband and I are doing the read through the Bible and a year plan.
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We do that every year together and it's just so rich.
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We also do Bible Study Fellowship, which is a great international Bible study that people
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can check out as well.
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Awesome.
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So, friends, book and workbook, training, godly warriors, the website traininggodlywarriors.com.
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Do you also, I know you're on Amazon too, right, Kelsey?
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Do you recommend people go in there or your personal website?
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Yes.
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So they can go on the website on the shop page and that'll take them directly to the link
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to buy the book on Amazon or they can search for it on Amazon.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Training godly warriors.
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Great topic.
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That's why I wanted to have you on.
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Thank you.
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I don't remember how we connected, but I'm so glad because this is so important and I do
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see a movement of youth being more open to the gospel, more open to spiritual things.
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I think, you know, baby boomers and millennials kind of, I don't know, we missed something
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there, but the Gen Z and younger, younger children and it takes parents and of course the
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church in America to do this to get on board.
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Thanks for your time today, Kelsey.
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Thank you so much for having me.
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You're most welcome.
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God bless you friends and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.