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From Child Actor to Prison Shot-caller- Peter Meyerhoff · Nightmare Success In and Out

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  What happens when your worst fear becomes your reality?
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  Hi. I'm Brian Cassidy.
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  Welcome to the nightmare success in and out podcast.
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  Where we explore a, how to overcome your fears.
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  And Nightmares is set yourself free.
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  We're going to be exploring this topic with guys that was in
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  Leavenworth with and others who survived their own nightmare.
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  These stories can be inspiring. Sometimes sad, there's some
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  humor but hopefully you can come away with a nugget of something
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  that will help you knock down some of the prisons.
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  You Built up in your own mind. All right, folks I know you
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  always come back here to the podcast to listen to the good
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  stuff. Well, I've got some good stuff.
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  I've got Peter. Meyerhoff here today is my guest
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  and I want to give a shout-out to Seth Ferrante that got us
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  connected. Here, says a great guy if
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  He just he's in the st. Louis.
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  Possible, right now. It's called nightlife.
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  It's unbelievable. Just saw it last Sunday.
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  So tell you a little bit about my guests Peter Meyerhoff.
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  You could say that this guy Peter had the world at the palm
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  of his hand as a kid, he in athletics modeling, even starred
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  in a movie as a kid, but once he hit High School, everything
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  changed, he got involved in drugs.
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  Start out with weed, led to hard drugs, his life, spiraled
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  downhill, extremely fast, being arrested.
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  Several times for stealing cars robbing houses.
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  He was sent to prison for 12 years at the age of 18.
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  Peter ended up getting swallowed up in the prison politics ended
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  up being a shot caller on the prison yard.
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  When print, when Peter got out at the age of 30, he hit the
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  ground running, he had success in business, he started a
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  popular podcast. Everybody needs to check out is
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  called roll call with chappie and it was its intent is to
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  motivate people as well as he goes and shares the stories
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  inside prisons Peters goals. Our to motivate people when he
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  speaks using his mental strength that he acquired in solitary
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  confinement, helping others, get sober and change the recidivism
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  rate by showing people. What's really possible with the
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  right drive and no excuses. Peter Meyerhoff.
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  Wow man. Welcome in quite dancer.
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  I'm pretty good. It's a hell of a story man
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  talking about. I am curious because, you know,
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  I I've kind of been in said the Peter Meyerhoff head here, the
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  last 48 hours before we were getting on this show, you know
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  with what was going on when you were a kid.
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  I mean it sounds like you had a good child life upbringing
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  things were going great. The greatest like lived in the
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  cool and within a cool cul-de-sac.
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  I mean There Were Ten Or twelve houses there and every single
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  one of them were kids are same age.
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  I never took the video. Hey, my entire life as a kid,
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  like I was in the street playing sports every single day, you
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  know, the top athlete that multiple Sports, you know.
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  I was in that I got into modeling I had a modeling agent
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  of 11 or 13 or something I even got a part in a movie and then
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  what was that your honor Peter, what was that?
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  Like I mean, that age, you know, getting into modeling and being
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  in a movie I mean what how does that how do you go back to?
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  How do you go back to the neighborhood?
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  Yeah, I felt like I could do anything.
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  You know? Life is easy.
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  No life. And life is good.
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  No, it was, it was awesome. It was cool.
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  Being a kid, you know. And you know what's crazy, is a
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  baseball movie and remember her doing home of the picture?
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  Yeah, it was often the movie was about him coming to America.
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  Some 13 years old I actually got to hit batting practice off at
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  they are normal. Wow yeah well and but it's so
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  crazy. How much is how quick you know
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  life and switch? No mileage.
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  That's my life. Which upside down overnight, you
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  know? Like we're not 15.
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  Well, tell me how did that happen for you?
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  Because you know there's a lot of things that happen when
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  you're a kid and you know, one thing can lead to another, but
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  it sounds like at one point you're like, all is great, you
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  know, it's the Norman Rockwell painting, you enter high school
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  and you get into what wrong crowd, what happens?
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  So, I was technically the wrong crowd, I was in with the crowd.
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  So I went to, I went to high school and as a freshman, I was
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  instantly and with the seniors and juniors.
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  Okay. You know, my mom was a flight
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  attendant so she was out of town for five nights a week.
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  So I mean, I use that. I'm just a people person I'm
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  good at networking like in clearly.
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  It's what I do now. But if you are now, right?
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  Yeah, yeah. I'll make sensor know, I was
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  doing that in high school and I had, you know it was a I'll tell
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  you the story that what what ruined my whole life is 15 years
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  old, you know, the most popular kid in school.
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  Me and my other friend who is where the two most popular kids
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  in our school. And My mom is out of town.
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  So that's what we did. We party drink, you know, have
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  four do whatever. But this, this was this weekend,
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  he wanted to hook up with another chick.
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  So I look and I'm not even joking.
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  I known this fixes, we were in kindergarten, I took one for the
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  team for like and I looked I lived in La for virginity that
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  weekend and he asked me that they can have them over to use
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  my house. So me and my best friend have
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  two other girls over to hook up, they were running and driving
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  it. So like you have to like, sneak
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  out like your kids, so like the other chick Lindsay's older
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  brother. Pick them up.
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  When they snuck out of the bedroom window, he's The Potters
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  of the whole bottle of Jack Daniels, we drank that for two
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  days in a row, but good, this Friday night.
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  So he hooks up with her, lose his virginity, I hook up with
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  her, lose my virginity, the next night, we do the exact same
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  thing Saturday night and Sunday. I go to collar and she's like,
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  says, I had sex while she's sleeping.
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  I'm like what I like? I mean, know what that means.
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  What's and yeah? Like, that's how it and I was
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  like, I don't like it. Don't even know what that means.
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  And it's, I mean, to this day, Only thing.
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  The it's not even it's not even reason about the only somewhat
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  reasonable explanation, I can think of is she came on
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  hammered, probably got caught sneaking in and the first thing
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  she could think of to get the attention off her.
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  And I just had sex and, you know, whatever happened.
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  That's the only the only. Someone read looks good.
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  Yeah, because Target and she wouldn't take a lot of types of
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  pets. But overnight, I go from being
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  the dude to like everybody. And what's crazy is my best
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  friend will stay up for me, really the time.
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  Hands off. And I'm like, do I go to school
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  the next day? And like, it's like I'm not even
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  fake here, like, I'm not like and I had a good time in school,
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  like, you know, you I would leave like they're gonna do
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  something to, you know, I mean I'm like and I could just I was
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  walking the halls and I work for me the most popular in high
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  school to just everybody staring at me.
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  But no one is like talk to me and I put their head down and
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  try and talk them all on one day.
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  I'm in one day and then so like literally like that I think I
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  don't know if they lost the school down herself where they
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  just came and got me out of class but they literally took me
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  to the police officers. That's room with the With the
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  principal and stuff and like, had to give me a police escort
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  off campus. Wow, remember they suggest or
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  whatever? But I was like, all right.
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  I'm done with school year, like I couldn't, I literally couldn't
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  go back to school, man. That's a lot for a kid to take
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  on at that age of 15. Wow, so I guess I went from that
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  to like now, I'm like 15 years old of my own, have to go to
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  school anymore and I can't talk to any male friends.
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  Who do you think I turned to the bad stuff?
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  Do that do drugs and don't go to school either, right?
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  So and even then I think I had smoked weed but I wasn't even
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  like a I was just I was a jock you know, like you playing
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  Athletics. I mean you don't really even
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  have time for that when you're doing that.
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  I did the same thing. I mean you don't have time to do
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  it. Not at all.
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  When I smoke weed, my buddy like made me do they always a Class
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  Clown through these like he was literally like you're smoking.
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  If you do, you're going to be hilarious.
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  New smoking. Like I did, I didn't care for, I
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  was like whatever. I'm not with that stuff, you
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  know. Like I like to do stuff and play
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  sports all day. and so, yeah, I start getting into drugs and
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  Just spiral downhill sofa. So I don't let me ask you this.
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  So Peter. When you say you start getting
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  drugs, did you do it? Because you felt like that, it
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  was kind of like your escape from the really bad stuff that
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  had happened. He went from the popular kid,
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  the outcast kid and this was a way for you to It worked out
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  medicate but it wasn't. Your what?
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  I didn't even thought, like I just hung out with these kids
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  and I remember the first week and I hung out with him was like
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  a Thursday or Friday or something and they're literally
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  doing math and smoking crack and stuff.
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  And I'm like, I didn't do it to numb the pain, I just did it
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  because that's what they were doing and then he's doing.
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  I kept doing it to numb the pain, you know I'm saying and
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  then they're just like and from that first time I didn't see.
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  No, it's crazy. He told me math was like, she's
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  like, just trust me. You'll love it.
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  It's like a party drug. You think it's Coke times 10?
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  That's not bad guy. Play me.
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  I dunno. I did met that first night.
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  I didn't not do it again. If I went to rehab and I was in
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  rehab at 15 years old, I tell you, I got your rest of the Mets
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  story is so I had a guy on kalki Lawson who was the number for
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  golfer in the world as a teenager and his whole life
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  changed overnight because he took a hit off the pipe of math
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  and that was it. Yeah, that drugged me.
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  Q. It turned into a different human
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  being. So yes, I went into heaven and
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  bring it in that they started No Stealing Cars and you know, I
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  stole a Mercedes Benz. Some of the same events
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  dealership brand-new back when Gone in 60 Seconds came out
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  because they were stainless cargo unstealable and And then,
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  you know, spring break adrenaline rush, is that what
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  that was? I mean, no, we were doing for
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  money like drug money. You're actually doing it for
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  money. Yeah, yeah.
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  And Spring break my finger which should have been my senior high
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  school, excuse me. Um my brother Nate where I, my
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  mom's house again just doing literally smoking meth in the
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  bin in my bedroom and my brother and his friends come over and
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  one of his friends. How many siblings do you have
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  Peter? What was your brother and is
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  that? What do you have as a brother
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  one? Brother were two years of party,
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  two years, younger me. Okay so of course, all of his
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  friends always want to hang out and be cool with me.
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  So Hey, come over to my mom's house now.
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  And one of his friends tells me that the Nelsons are out of town
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  in. The Nelsons was the do that with
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  my best friend and I, we haven't spoke since this whole thing
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  happened and they're the richest kids and all of our to keep
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  spoiled rotten like brand-new Escalades.
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  I mean to this day, eight days, a dude's doesn't have a job.
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  Like my old best friend is 37. Like he doesn't need to go to
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  Jesus Dad's credit card. So just like spoiled rotten kid
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  go and we, they tell me that they're out of town and they
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  just went there and burglarize the house and I'm like, shut.
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  I'm like, where are they? Like they're in Hawaii and I'm
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  like, for how long my brother was a spring break?
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  They would go to Hawaii and they're so rich, like The
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  friends could take a friend every time, you know.
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  I mean, save the princess like, you know, that it had to be a
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  50,000 long, white robe. And so keep in mind that house
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  is already burglarized by five kids, me and my friends go back
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  to the house. I don't make it out of the
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  garage, like no joke. My mindset is, like, it's the
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  twelve or fifteen thousand square foot house.
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  Like, they haven't full indoor basketball court with their last
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  name, across half court. It's like, you know, like, I
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  don't know what your house in Nantucket, what seems like it's
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  stuff you see in the movies, you know?
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  And so my plan was to take them on top and they won't even
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  notice it's gone, you know what I mean?
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  So I take a drill, a snowboard, a bunch of and right outside the
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  gym. They have like, it's like a
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  locker room thing with just like basketball jerseys.
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  In basketball shorts and yeah, Jordan's is in Jordan sandals
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  and stuff. So I just go right down and take
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  a bunch of Jordan saying those and Jordan basketball shorts and
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  like, literally the stuff that like they only way they wouldn't
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  notice it is it like when Brandon was a ghost or a made-up
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  word, where's my stuff on the plate?
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  And while I'm in the garage two of my friends come running in
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  there like we got all the jewelry.
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  Let's go. Let's go.
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  They have course what I'm I didn't seem like it's that in.
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  My God, we got. Thanks, porcelain straight
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  upstairs and get the hit, the jewelry in the master bedroom.
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  and, Of course, there was a lot of money there and turned out to
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  be three hundred thirty thousand dollars of the door.
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  They had just sitting in the house of God.
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  Oh yeah, wow, I mean one of the pair's a pair of earrings is on
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  in the magazine Rob report. It was like a pair of 64,000
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  dollars, you know? And and that's funny what
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  they're wearing though. Like wow.
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  And you can look at nothing to me.
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  He was a 2nd highest paid person.
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  Although Arizona anyway. He made like 59 million last
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  year here. We're talking really rich.
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  That's something really. Really rich.
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  Like 10 million a month. Rich almost know what I mean.
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  Yeah. Then even and, I go to prison
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  for 12 years for that. All right.
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  And I want to I want to walk us through that because you had
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  been in trouble before but this did this field different.
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  This one when you went into the courtroom here to do, I have
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  been in trouble before and I kind of knew it because like,
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  I've been in jail so many times at 18 years old and like, I just
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  you kind of just figured out. I'm like, I whatever I get this
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  once. I got probation for stealing a
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  Mercedes-Benz and I'm on probation.
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  And you kind of know if you violate probation, Some would
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  Big Tony's? You're going to go to prison
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  probably, you know what I mean? And it's like, When I tell you
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  like when the cops arrest me on that and or they didn't even
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  restonic they couldn't prove anything to it.
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  So they just first question me and arrested on a probation
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  violation and then I'm sitting in jail and the next day I get
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  woken up in jail too Lieutenant saying that the news channels
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  here to speak to me like what the I'm 18 years old.
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  So, you know, I'm like, what is it?
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  What does that mean? Right and he's a Christian was
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  want to interview you and I was like for what he the TDR.
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  Like why do I have to do this? I'm like, what do you mean?
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  I don't want to be interviewed on TV about this stuff.
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  Hey, I know what you have to sign a refusal thing that I do
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  not wish to speak the medians of like that and I'm like, yeah
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  cause I definitely don't speak to me.
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  I was like this know what they're bigger case.
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  She's smart enough for that. Yeah, and I never forget I get
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  on the phone with my dad that day and he's like saw you on TV
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  today Pete. I'm Mike.
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  No way really? He's like, yeah, and I was like,
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  I'm like that. I don't know.
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  I'm fucking sorry. No, I mean it just is what it
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  is, you know, and I knew I was gonna go to prison probably, you
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  know, I'm can I find your like at that time?
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  I knew I was like, hey, let me ask you though.
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  Like when you had that conversation with your dad like
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  that time period when you were getting in trouble and things
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  were because you've gone from a kid, that was the most popular
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  kid your parents haven't changed.
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  The same parents, how your parents reacting, all this, or
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  when I know relation with my dad just I lived with Mom and Dad,
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  Brent took advantage of her every single day of my life.
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  I was like the worst. I like that's why I like So
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  Good. Golly I hang out there every day
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  now you know like us I'ma stay mama's boy and like I'm like
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  still paying her back to what I did her house that I love that.
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  God, I got sidetracked even think about that.
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  But yeah, it was a it's so I guess I knew I was by then I
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  knew I was going to prison but I was I'm trying.
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  I was done with my life. I didn't like life on the
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  street. I didn't like what I was doing.
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  Yeah. And I figured maybe it is what
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  it is. Maybe I needed like that's I was
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  like in my mind, you know, but I want I thought it was gonna go
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  away for a couple years to three years, maybe, you know.
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  Yeah. And then they throw it 12%.
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  I mean like like like the flip of a switch and I was going to
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  get sense for for 26 years and I remember telling my my lawyer
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  verbatim like, dude, I cannot do freaking six years like just
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  promised him. I can picture.
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  That's all I care about. And remember the judge words,
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  were he get any sense? I think this calls for an
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  aggregate. That's 12 years.
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  I remember thinking like my fuck, you think tanks and but it
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  came out in the end of the drug. Had a thing for kids, man, he
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  didn't think that the kids brains are mature until they're
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  in their 30s. So that's what he did 18 plus 12
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  years or 30 years old. He locked up solid 30, and then
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  since then, the judge got And out here in Arizona because you
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  just too harsh on it senses, but they didn't talk to resent me.
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  I'll tell you real fast or quick clemency is, it's unheard of the
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  excitement, got in Arizona, I don't know if it is where it's,
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  your fate is, but like nobody gets clemency, right?
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  Like, when I finally I got a plaque of clemency like seven
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  years into my sentence. They had three straight days of
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  hearings. Not one person made it to the
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  second phase except me and I'm not joking.
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  I had all five people vote me to the next phase.
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  The second thing we go through and like I fly through with
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  flying colors again and everyone's like there.
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  Words to me were there like, mr. Morrow up to stay the course
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  ends of accessories. An understatement.
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  Like, I don't even know how you're in prison during the
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  former presidents for the / burglary charges, but the fact
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  that you can't stay out of trouble in prison, and the fact
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  that you're involved in prison politics are, you know, like I
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  was a strong cause I left the 4-yard.
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  What the jet that was running to go do this, you know, commenting
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  or, you know. And they're like the fact that
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  you can't stay Outta trouble in prison, is that there's no
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  chance that we can put, like, is it's on them.
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  They said they're like, there's no way we're going to put it on
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  ice and let you out of there. And so I say, This was the next
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  five years, you know, but I made it through with flying colors
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  and every single person said I was should have been out there.
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  Like, my prison record was so bad though, there's no way we'd
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  like to see dr. Lee let's talk about this.
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  Let's talk about that Peter because I had my first bulk, my
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  first Bunkie was shock collar from Belmont and he had worked
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  his, his points down to the camp level.
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  Yeah. And I mean, he, I mean, he was
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  a, he was a savior for me because when I came in this is
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  He said you you don't look like you've been here before, Cassidy
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  so we're going to get you going and he more or less spoke for
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  me. And and and he's his name's
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  Romo, he's great guy but walk me in Peter to your world going
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  from 18 year old kid going into the prison.
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  You're 18. Walking in.
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  What's your life? What's your world?
• 18:20
  What's your what are you thinking?
• 18:22
  yeah, I'll take the like I remember going, I remember my
• 18:26
  first bus ride of yours yesterday, right?
• 18:27
  So you go on. This is my first time seeing a
• 18:29
  prison convict. I never, I never even driven by
• 18:31
  one of the seen, anything. All I'm going off of what it's
• 18:33
  like in the movies, right? And we pulling it.
• 18:37
  And so I went to Tucson, complex, first, which is like,
• 18:39
  it's one of the bigger ones out in Arizona, I think there are
• 18:41
  seven yards in this one complex, right?
• 18:44
  So there's a huge perimeter gate around it, and then in there, is
• 18:47
  each different yards. Each yard has its own gate
• 18:49
  around it and stuff. And I remember pulling in nice
• 18:52
  deep dude. Playing softball and basketball.
• 18:54
  And I'm like, it's like a breath of fresh air.
• 18:57
  I was like, all right, whatever make maybe like a motherfucking
• 19:00
  play softball and basketball. Be all right, like what?
• 19:03
  That's all going on outside their plane.
• 19:05
  Yeah. Yeah we dropped a bunch of
• 19:08
  people off there and we go to another yard.
• 19:09
  We drop a bunch of people off and I'm the port, the last dry,
• 19:12
  by the time we get to my yard and I do walk in the yard and
• 19:14
  I'm like a fucking course, this is where I'm going, you know,
• 19:17
  how about it in my head, the whole thing.
• 19:18
  I'm like I have no no clue what can happen because Even then
• 19:22
  like you made a bunch of dudes in the county jail, you know.
• 19:24
  They were going to print. You think you're going to know
• 19:25
  all these dudes don't know, dude, the ministry don't go away
• 19:29
  for over a decade. You know?
• 19:30
  I mean so like all that shit, you know I'm saying?
• 19:33
  Like and I went from like thinking that feel like I'm not
• 19:35
  going to see any of you who was unless you guys get in trouble
• 19:37
  and go to a higher I'm going to a lockdown yard probably knows
• 19:41
  all that time. So like my bypass all that shit.
• 19:45
  I remember thinking like fucking here we go.
• 19:47
  You know, and I remember walking that first night at child And
• 19:51
  I'm an alpha male like a network are you don't sound like I was
• 19:53
  in the county jail for running running pause and stuff.
• 19:56
  The whole time even as 18, 19 year old kid, you know, and I
• 19:59
  always say the same thing. Like you just told me in the
• 20:01
  freaking out that Banner stands for you going to be running
• 20:03
  shoes and kind of hone in on what they're good at it.
• 20:09
  But I'm good at saying I'm not going well, networking is a big
• 20:15
  deal in the world. Yeah, especially nowadays, you
• 20:18
  know. Yeah.
• 20:18
  I mean, you know, anything, hopefully?
• 20:19
  Yeah, yes. So I remember walking that
• 20:23
  walking that back from chow and this is the first time I'm like,
• 20:28
  dude, I am like a nobody. Nobody like, nobody even notices
• 20:32
  me here. No one gives a shit about us
• 20:34
  here. Like I could not come out, the
• 20:35
  child them all. And no one even noticed, you
• 20:36
  know, had no family. I'm in another city like halfway
• 20:39
  across the state and I was like, how am I going to do this?
• 20:45
  Like literally I'm everything. Like how the fuck am I going to
• 20:47
  do 12 years like this? And I'm good at reading, reading
• 20:52
  situations and stuff. You know, it's another, one of
• 20:54
  my things, I feel like I'm really good at.
• 20:56
  I could just tell that I didn't know what what what it was back
• 21:00
  in the populism, but I can tell that no one respecting me or
• 21:02
  like really give a fuck about, you know what I mean?
• 21:05
  Probably thinking I had long blonde hair, look, pretty boy,
• 21:08
  obviously put on and 44 pounds. I got locked up so I did not
• 21:11
  look like this. You know, you look a lot
• 21:12
  different. Now Peter, yeah, I got it.
• 21:18
  But so I end up and I remember hearing like, about people like
• 21:21
  starting fights in the county jails.
• 21:23
  It's like, it's some respect or something like that.
• 21:24
  And my neighbor did not like me at all.
• 21:27
  And I didn't like him, you know? And he was, who I wasn't getting
• 21:30
  my since he's been known her forever.
• 21:32
  You know, he did at 5:30 in the morning working out every day,
• 21:35
  and I'm sleeping in till 10:00 11:00, whenever I was allowed to
• 21:37
  sleep in till, you know, and he was just a bitter old man, and I
• 21:41
  didn't, I didn't blame him at the end.
• 21:43
  My sensor, that's who I was but I made it up.
• 21:46
  I made a made a point to pick a fight with this dude, man.
• 21:50
  And he's the first to that told me.
• 21:52
  Oh, if you think you're going to get into them but you
• 21:53
  sucker-punched no there's no fair fights in prison, you know
• 21:57
  like, alright cool. I bet you never thought I was
• 21:58
  going to use that on that thing on him, you know, but I did, you
• 22:02
  know, I said something to him, he makes more smartass comment
• 22:04
  to me, and told me he was going to take, take the screw out of
• 22:08
  his mouth. Like fucking teach me a lesson
• 22:09
  or something, you know, and he turns out and take a true.
• 22:11
  I was mouth and I was on top You know, and just I don't mean
• 22:14
  every land, a punch like this, I was on top of the entire time,
• 22:18
  then a pull me off him. We're gonna lock down and I
• 22:22
  think even then him like he gained the respect and likewise
• 22:24
  boxes, like I was 160 pounds, but I'm dude, I got hands, you
• 22:27
  know? I mean, and we are locked up and
• 22:31
  a half a day and then the next day, I got the cow and it's
• 22:33
  like, dude, everyone, your won't talk to you because I'm like,
• 22:35
  this dude is, I was 160 pounds of DUIs, my thighs.
• 22:38
  No trouble - okay? Yeah, yeah.
• 22:41
  And now He's owed you for coming up in the ghetto.
• 22:44
  Youngster, what's your name is Matt and I'm like, all right I
• 22:46
  can do this, I know and of course the Deuteronomy yard
• 22:49
  wants to talk to me and ask me if I want to start putting in
• 22:51
  work and I'm like if you explain what the fuck, that means I
• 22:54
  might be down and explains what it is and I was like yes I mean
• 22:59
  you know I'm saying Then I would not a night, dude,
• 23:15
  man. So did that ever change while
• 23:18
  you were in Peter? I'm no, did your world was it
• 23:22
  always kind of violent and you were on top of the world?
• 23:26
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'll tell you, I was at
• 23:28
  my last 10 months that I was in. I was in solitary confinement on
• 23:31
  the back station for another attempt to murder before going
• 23:32
  out. You know, I got out from that
• 23:34
  under that investigation. So, my 10 months in solitary
• 23:37
  confinement, I don't know if I'm going back to the county jail
• 23:38
  and never go home again, or if I'm fucking going home, you
• 23:41
  know, and it's a miracle. I do live, you know that's just
• 23:44
  some. They try to get me to call the
• 23:45
  shot out. Some dude I got his throat slit
• 23:47
  and I stabbed you know so what was it like for you because you
• 23:51
  know, shock collar cares, a whole different feel and respect
• 23:56
  and Vibe on in the prison world. First of all, how long did it
• 24:04
  take for you to become that person?
• 24:07
  I ran my first Auto 23. I run a four yard at 23 years
• 24:10
  old man. Wow, yeah, I was a I know it's
• 24:15
  crazy like and I didn't believe in God anymore.
• 24:17
  Really. And I like, the whole thing's
• 24:19
  gone now because like, it's so crazy to think of people will
• 24:23
  never understand the whole thing but like it's hideous, my life
• 24:26
  wasn't a city and crazy. This to get a 12-year prison
• 24:29
  sentence for the crime. I got all my stuff like and I
• 24:32
  went through the worst of the worst prison sentence, I got
• 24:35
  toward the end of my sentence. I was a jock or I'm not joking.
• 24:37
  Like, my mom was on the phone with central office every day.
• 24:39
  Like my last two and a half years, I have them 17 times
• 24:42
  like, literally Edu the yard from us another to view the art
• 24:45
  from us, like no joke, like that.
• 24:47
  When I was in solitary confinement the last time, most
• 24:49
  of the longest stretch I'd stayed steady for years, you
• 24:52
  know? But it's crazy.
• 24:55
  That is like I feel like everything else was just like it
• 24:57
  was Destiny. Like I was meant and I can't
• 25:00
  even believe I'm saying this I like I legit feel like I was
• 25:03
  given I was destined to be a prison shock collar and
• 25:08
  everything just worked out in my favor.
• 25:09
  You know I'm saying? Like I just got I got bumped up
• 25:12
  with a dude that was like triple 0 g just like you know it's all
• 25:15
  like when they're like you could your whole prison sentence could
• 25:18
  have been the night's date contractor but if you didn't get
• 25:21
  exactly live neck. Yeah, you know I'm saying?
• 25:24
  - shitty like the political aspect of it.
• 25:27
  I felt like every Domino fell in the perfect sense and like by
• 25:30
  the time I'm 23 years old, I'm running on them.
• 25:32
  I was little I remember thinking like damn use, of course, I
• 25:34
  think I'm not already running a fucking for yard.
• 25:36
  You know what I mean? And last time I was in, I was in
• 25:39
  a full-on relationship with the property off track, will the
• 25:41
  property copper up and pull up on yard?
• 25:43
  And like I had I had to shit on lock, but I'm a 23 year old kid
• 25:45
  girl. That's really something.
• 25:49
  Yeah, because I mean, you know, I mean, it's 23, you had seven
• 25:53
  more years, right? Yeah, dude.
• 25:57
  I'm like, I'm not joking. I'm on a four yard.
• 25:59
  I'm, we're drinking call methods in with tear up like smoke and
• 26:02
  Blanca my cell. Like I got my homies look, I'm
• 26:05
  getting his girlfriend's underwear, delivered to him for
• 26:08
  his self, he has a girlfriend songs in their shit like that.
• 26:11
  Like I mean I'm not even eating prison food.
• 26:12
  Like my mom would come up to visit on the weekend and drop
• 26:15
  off a whole plate to the Sto, and every day, she would bring
• 26:18
  in whatever the hell, that's my mom and made the week.
• 26:20
  Like, I might like to have a turned a red from from
• 26:25
  Shawshank. No, yeah.
• 26:28
  Oh my God. Yeah about that.
• 26:35
  And it had like almost a million views or something.
• 26:37
  And then after had a group that reached out to me and did that,
• 26:39
  do they do that TV show about me?
• 26:41
  So Peter did you have did you have like a prison job or
• 26:46
  anything like what? Your day like in there, with
• 26:48
  being the guy at this, at the top of the chain for the most
• 26:52
  part is that we're not a hoarder, you pretty much go
• 26:54
  there and tell them like this is the job I want.
• 26:57
  I need to get out of my cell or you know I'm saying and like 44
• 26:59
  yards a lot more cool than like I never I never spent time on a
• 27:02
  minimum security guard. Yeah, explain the four yard
• 27:04
  because people are listening here that you're they don't even
• 27:07
  know maximum security, like if they call it closed custody it's
• 27:11
  you still in the get you get three days of record a week,
• 27:13
  three showers a week either Monday, Wednesday, Friday, or
• 27:17
  Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. And the other days, I guess you
• 27:18
  don't leave yourself to block the child.
• 27:20
  Escorted single file line with gun Towers a real locked.
• 27:23
  It? Yeah, below maximum security,
• 27:26
  and maximum security single-cell 5x7, 24 hours a day Log 5 by 7.
• 27:31
  Yeah, but like you can see like the size of a closet, pretty.
• 27:34
  Do a quick to make your bed. Yeah, that's that's, you know,
• 27:37
  we when I worked myself into the suburbs, I was in an 8 by 10
• 27:41
  cell and I felt like I had worked my way into you know,
• 27:44
  Paradise 5x7. Good Lord, you I mean your
• 27:49
  birdbath in your, have your bed soaking wet, but that's how
• 27:52
  small it and and I'm claustrophobic and classic
• 27:56
  movie. No shit.
• 27:58
  Oh full-blown claustrophobic, dude, full-blown.
• 28:02
  Like I get anxiety to thinking about like, small faces and
• 28:04
  stuff like no joke, but that's why I talk about like, you don't
• 28:07
  like enough people. What people are so like week
• 28:10
  about out here in the world, is that we all think we can
• 28:12
  accomplish it. But like, we don't know that we
• 28:14
  could fucking try. No.
• 28:15
  I mean like, I would Thomas thought there's no way I could
• 28:17
  spend that time in the cell or whatever like you know, I mean
• 28:19
  but like I told him thrown in and you have to you have to get
• 28:22
  through it, then you realize holy shit.
• 28:24
  My mind, can do something for me that I didn't think you could do
• 28:26
  it. You know what I mean?
• 28:27
  Yeah, I know this, it is all mine said, you know, one of my
• 28:29
  favorite quotes is the old Henry Ford quote that says whether you
• 28:32
  think you can or think you can't, you're right because yep.
• 28:35
  You know, you everybody any start seeing this stuff, you
• 28:39
  know, you see it in prison but you see it when you get out, is
• 28:41
  it people really do build up prisons in their own mind and
• 28:45
  they get into these really nasty.
• 28:47
  The Situation's, bad marriage, bad job, bad Health, crisis,
• 28:51
  whatever that is. And that routine becomes, the
• 28:55
  thing that they get locked into that, they can't step out of and
• 28:58
  they don't think they can. And you know, the whole thing
• 29:01
  that you're talking about Peter is just stepping out of it and
• 29:05
  and even if it scares the shit out of you go ahead and do it
• 29:09
  because your mind has so many things that it can do.
• 29:12
  You know, I always tell people nothing is as bad as your mind
• 29:15
  makes it out to be not even Risen apparently, what's the
• 29:19
  worst that can happen? It's not if you don't do it.
• 29:24
  Exactly. Yes.
• 29:25
  That's like that's a good motto in life are like all that
• 29:27
  anybody break like that for anything.
• 29:29
  But like if I need to like try to make a business connection or
• 29:31
  whatever, like I'm not scared to ask them, I got 500 Donald
• 29:35
  Trump. I'm a person on a stick, you
• 29:36
  know? I mean like yeah if you don't
• 29:37
  ask, I'm saying is like, why does the worst thing Could
• 29:40
  Happen know what is the worst happening?
• 29:42
  The worst thing that can happen if you don't ask.
• 29:44
  Right? And sometimes when they say that
• 29:46
  it was sometimes they when they say no they just might not have
• 29:48
  enough information yet, you know.
• 29:50
  Yeah. But you know what I've noticed,
• 29:52
  more than anything. Typically Donald Trump Scott has
• 29:55
  got a nephew or Sydney or something like that.
• 29:57
  That has a like a drug addiction problem to pants like that.
• 30:00
  I have an actual connection to Donald Trump breath.
• 30:03
  Well, I mean, if you talking about Donald Trump, I mean he's
• 30:06
  only one step removed from his, his daughter who's Jared
• 30:11
  Kushner. She's dead went to prison for
• 30:12
  five years. You know, the yeah, that's
• 30:15
  pretty close in the family. I've understanding the prison
• 30:18
  World. A couple of the biggest law
• 30:20
  firms are in Arizona right now. I'm living help them focus on
• 30:22
  pure silver glitter. One of my got him off the
• 30:24
  streets during the treatment laser big.
• 30:26
  Big time Lords under. Like it affect everybody.
• 30:28
  No, I mean, you never know until you're outspoken about it and
• 30:31
  that's why I was so scared to talk about my past.
• 30:33
  And so embarrassed about how shitty I world as a human like
• 30:36
  so embarrassed, I like my life was nothing.
• 30:38
  I didn't have anything. Like I just had my pastor but he
• 30:40
  then I realized like fucking help people.
• 30:43
  You know I'm saying because those people that go through
• 30:44
  little bad things out here. They think they can't open
• 30:46
  accomplish them and then once I can tell him just some portion
• 30:49
  of my stories are like Holy fuck.
• 30:52
  They automatically do this a little bit of something, right?
• 30:55
  Yeah. But do you think maybe just
• 30:56
  throw you can try and make it pay?
• 30:57
  Not me. So Peter would Point At what
• 31:00
  point did you make? Because it sounds like when you
• 31:03
  were in you were in. I mean you were I mean, really
• 31:07
  in when did the mine change? Because when you got out, you
• 31:14
  you were a Force for good. So what what happened?
• 31:18
  I'll tell you though, is another God thing.
• 31:21
  Like, my prison sentence was just perfect because I did
• 31:23
  nothing of politics and like like literally just like did bad
• 31:26
  things about people. Well you know I'm saying like
• 31:28
  we're not going that's where that dude got his throat so he
• 31:30
  was a shitty human being. It was a deer is loaded right?
• 31:32
  That's what I'm saying. So most like and I'll firm so
• 31:34
  they had a hooker got to store not deserve to be around you
• 31:36
  know like but, I went to a wholesale last 10 months, not
• 31:42
  only that like I was such a psychopath just to show you.
• 31:45
  How screwed up my mind. Was talk about that though too.
• 31:48
  Because, I mean, go, when you say you went to the hole for 10
• 31:51
  months, I saw people that went to the hole for two months and
• 31:54
  came out looking different. I mean, yeah, but how did you I
• 31:59
  mean I think this is something that's got to be interesting to
• 32:02
  people who are listening this your world in that hole.
• 32:05
  It can you, can you walk us into that hole the shoe?
• 32:09
  Yeah. It's a I mean, just like it
• 32:13
  said, you deal with yourself and by that time I had learned how
• 32:16
  to no joke, talk to myself, talk myself through situations when I
• 32:20
  would get like a lot of times if I get thrown another cell like
• 32:22
  the second that door closed I would have like anxiety attack
• 32:24
  panic attacks, you know, but by this time I learned that they're
• 32:27
  going to go away, you know, and you can talk yourself off a
• 32:29
  ledge really quick. And I to be, I mean, it sounds
• 32:32
  like I don't know, it sounds crazy cliche, but like, I
• 32:34
  literally just got like really good at talking to myself
• 32:36
  through these situations, you know?
• 32:38
  And I realized that like, I could talk myself into believing
• 32:41
  shit. You know what I'm saying?
• 32:42
  So like, I went through the whole that time.
• 32:46
  I walk into the entire situation, how how goes our, how
• 32:49
  I know how this it goes, right? So this full supposed to get
• 32:52
  murdered, right? Like they were slit, It's
• 32:54
  throat. Stabbed.
• 32:55
  His eyes are like bad dad, right?
• 32:57
  And the next day, I'm like when this happens, and I'm on a guard
• 33:00
  at this time, I went, I already have my whole shit like that.
• 33:02
  I know I'm probably going to hold whatever it is, you know,
• 33:05
  and even if it wasn't that, they would feel like this, but you
• 33:07
  have the power to stop and you didn't stop it.
• 33:09
  No. So they use on their so - and
• 33:12
  then like it was so weird because nothing happened.
• 33:13
  Then like breakfast, we know we're locked on the come bring a
• 33:16
  stick come, bring breakfast by and then they taste and my porch
• 33:19
  out for lunch dancer. And I was like, there's no way
• 33:21
  we're just going to lunch in the afternoon, you know, like, it
• 33:23
  was just cop cars on the, you know, and I guarantee you ask
• 33:26
  you to wait for by the child, because, when you go to the
• 33:28
  travel on this yard, it's like all we have to tell Halls, like,
• 33:31
  right here, that the gun Towers right here than S2 table right
• 33:34
  there. - can I call it like, about time?
• 33:36
  We get almost directly to the chow hall they come.
• 33:39
  Popping out of their door and they don't even call me by my
• 33:41
  rock. They like their chappie come
• 33:43
  here and I was like I told you guys, I'm not joking, bro.
• 33:45
  I went in there. And probably the most scared
• 33:50
  I've ever been in my life and I feel like everything is like
• 33:52
  quick, really good. Just click on the cold spot.
• 33:54
  I fucked up this time. You know?
• 33:55
  Like we were talking about before like this was the one
• 33:57
  time I was like, holy shit, you know, but I'm still on drugs and
• 34:01
  like, so like I didn't even think about it goes, strong out,
• 34:03
  and also causing 175 pounds. You know, like shooting dope,
• 34:07
  every day running the prison yard.
• 34:08
  You know, just like The prototypical Stereotype fucking
• 34:10
  loser prison. Do you know?
• 34:12
  And so I walk in there and there's I'm not joking there,
• 34:16
  17, dude. In this place and there's only a
• 34:19
  couple people wearing Co outfits and everything.
• 34:20
  Everybody else were in suits and ties and shit and I'm like oh my
• 34:24
  God. You know I mean and they put me
• 34:26
  on this little stump in the middle of this room in front of
• 34:28
  me but like it's like a little stool that they put their feet
• 34:31
  on and they're like have a seat and I'll join a cult.
• 34:34
  What happened? Building one last night and I'm
• 34:36
  like Sure, you guys know, don't you?
• 34:39
  And they're like, yeah, so you want to tell us what your
• 34:45
  involvement was with it and I'm like, no comment.
• 34:48
  I'm going home in a year that's all and they're like, what?
• 34:52
  That's weird that so you are you trying to talk to some like
• 34:54
  that? We just happen on your yard?
• 34:56
  You just do nothing about it. And I'm like, all I'm saying is
• 34:59
  I'm going home in here and I'm trying to get out of the prison
• 35:01
  politics. So 1000%, I'm not trying to be
• 35:03
  involved in anything that's going on and they literally just
• 35:05
  pretty much tell me like congratulations.
• 35:07
  You fucking screwed up, your relief Aid.
• 35:08
  Like, you don't have to worry about going home, Ramona smile,
• 35:10
  don't worry, you just blew that and they throw me in solitary.
• 35:12
  Like from that meeting to talk about straight to solitary.
• 35:15
  Yeah, they faculty up right there.
• 35:16
  I'm gonna go back to my cell. They literally put me in a cage
• 35:18
  right there and then Sacramento put me right to you.
• 35:21
  So I go from them. Threatening me, tell me I'm done
• 35:24
  and I don't even know. They say the guy lived and think
• 35:27
  of me and I got to do something. I think God wants to live next,
• 35:29
  but he doesn't live. I'm like, no, you're still in
• 35:32
  and here's the deal, I could even talk about it because
• 35:34
  there's no statute limitations. Now on, it's not murder.
• 35:37
  But I got like this bull like anyway, he met who live because
• 35:41
  he was supposed to live because I was destined do all the shit
• 35:43
  and the reason I was supposed to have such a City prison for it
• 35:46
  because I can get now, get through anybody on a prisoner.
• 35:50
  You know I'm saying like I can get through to the shock collars
• 35:52
  in the Aryan Brotherhood on prisoners.
• 35:54
  Now you don't stand like nothing.
• 35:56
  I'm one of them but I am one with no, no, they were all
• 35:58
  street cred or respect. Absolutely.
• 36:01
  So so shitty, but so perfect. In that aspect because it's
• 36:04
  going to make such a difference of what I honestly.
• 36:06
  Feel like that. I just like the Bible says, like
• 36:08
  you're never going to be put in a situation that you can't
• 36:10
  handle like I'm a fucking talk to, you know, I'm saying, I can
• 36:12
  handle that shit. I wasn't that tough when I went
• 36:14
  in there, but I learned you don't paint because I coach
• 36:16
  myself mentally and I realized that if I couldn't get through
• 36:19
  situations because I told myself and get through situation, you
• 36:21
  know I'm saying, like that's literally it.
• 36:23
  Like I just learned that from doing a lot of songs by
• 36:26
  yourself. I mean, it sounds like to me
• 36:28
  that when you went into that solitary confinement, that you
• 36:30
  talked your way through it. I went himself to her and I was
• 36:35
  like if I make it out of here, this is My chant.
• 36:37
  I like like no joke. I'm like So I want to finally,
• 36:43
  I'm at the time, like, At first, I'm like thinking, who knows?
• 36:47
  What's going on? But I feel like a little bit of
• 36:48
  time goes on my damn. They are really going to leave
• 36:49
  me in here. You know?
• 36:50
  I mean and then I guess you can buy a few months later.
• 36:52
  I finally was. And I remember telling him like,
• 36:55
  but this time it's been a few months, you know?
• 36:56
  And I'm like, hey, like you guys can't expect me to get out of
• 37:00
  prison after 12 years from this cell, like naked on the streets,
• 37:03
  you know what I mean? Like literally, I'm like man to
• 37:05
  man, like I'm not, this is like chappie talking some stock.
• 37:07
  Why? Like I'm like at this point.
• 37:09
  Thank you for my life. I got calm down and they knew
• 37:14
  that you knew what I was throwing out when I wasn't.
• 37:29
  And because I think I would have still got right back into the
• 37:33
  prison politics. Thinking that I was like.
• 38:07
  Some guys got staff for getting tattoos.
• 38:09
  Yeah. And then I get back from the
• 38:11
  from medical right there and I swear, I'm done.
• 38:13
  I'm done with joy. I'm done with all the bubbles
• 38:15
  off my arm. You know, I needed.
• 38:16
  I'm I'm not on the yard an hour in the morning and I get, you
• 38:18
  know what, I remember that night didn't like it was yesterday.
• 38:20
  I remember getting high and at first I'm like alright there we
• 38:23
  go. Thank God because I'm So Dope,
• 38:24
  they can be in the hospital you know?
• 38:26
  And I finally better my goal and my little bucket on Mike.
• 38:30
  I'm never going to fucking be able to quit using drugs.
• 38:32
  You know? I mean, I really think I was
• 38:33
  like, I'm never gonna be able to get off this ship, you know?
• 38:36
  And so like I said, the whole that happened in cities, it was
• 38:38
  like a save my life, you know. So I got in the whole time I'm
• 38:41
  thinking because I've been in the 12 years and I haven't even
• 38:43
  made some of those games on what the fuck I'm doing.
• 38:45
  That's what he's going to ask you like, you're getting close
• 38:47
  to the door. What were you thinking?
• 38:49
  My only mind that it is the coin toss.
• 38:51
  If I ever make it out of here, you know I'm saying it.
• 38:53
  Make it out. I'll figure it out when I get.
• 38:54
  No, that's my that's not all I got to do is get out of prison.
• 38:57
  No. Because now I'm worried about
• 38:58
  this case and you know, I get out and I would I thought by the
• 39:04
  time I got out, you know, like my goals like literally my
• 39:07
  goals. And I was like, this is like
• 39:10
  I've made the finding is like somehow just get a job like,
• 39:13
  Larry probably construction or something.
• 39:14
  But I just got to get a job and I got to figure out how to stay
• 39:17
  sober and living boring-ass life but like be okay, living, a boy
• 39:21
  life and at least I'm out of prison.
• 39:23
  That was like, it was like, oh my God, that's all I got to do.
• 39:26
  You know what I mean? I had no clue.
• 39:28
  I could make money. I had no clue.
• 39:29
  I could be sober and happy. I had no clue like the urge to
• 39:33
  drink and use drugs would ever go away.
• 39:35
  I didn't think it was possible, you know what I mean?
• 39:37
  Like, I'm suction and I don't brag about it at all.
• 39:40
  But I do this, like tell people like that went that people that
• 39:43
  think they got it bad. Like if there's a scale of
• 39:46
  n-type and I firmly believe this my class in the program would
• 39:48
  argue argue with me till you're blue in the face of this.
• 39:51
  But like there's different levels of degrees that.
• 39:53
  You know what I'm saying? And like if it's a 1 to 10 scale
• 39:56
  I'm 100 like no joke. Like I'm as bad as it gets and
• 39:59
  the fact that I can like have six and a half years sober now
• 40:02
  and haven't even contemplated drinking or using like It's
• 40:06
  incredible willpower. And my mind power.
• 40:09
  I mean, it's it's that's to me, it's incredible.
• 40:14
  Well, when you finally got out of the, I mean, are you telling
• 40:18
  me that you did 10 months in the hole and they just, they
• 40:21
  released you to the be free? I mean, it was so bad.
• 40:25
  I just heard that there are no pockets the other day.
• 40:27
  This is how different my mindset was I get out from there yet?
• 40:31
  Great directly, I go from, I don't even let me walk to the
• 40:33
  releasing. I'm walking Shackled up.
• 40:36
  Everybody else gets the like walk right there.
• 40:37
  I have an escort with three CEOs and Shackled to my release date.
• 40:41
  Yeah, that's unbelievable. Peter literally.
• 40:44
  And then I've never, I've never even heard of that, that, they
• 40:47
  were least somebody, that way. Oh yeah. 1000%.
• 40:51
  Like, and I'm like, and I remember telling that when they
• 40:52
  came to give myself, do you ever going to sacrifice now, the like
• 40:55
  that, we don't get to go home. Like, you have to be exact of
• 40:57
  the mortgage on the property. So like I said, they did and
• 41:01
  listen to this, this is how screwed up my mind was.
• 41:04
  I'm getting out with. So I just I did my mom, my dad,
• 41:07
  my brother also for the first time ever not.
• 41:08
  Yeah I think I saw that video. I think that's on somewhere, on
• 41:12
  camera. Yeah.
• 41:13
  When you get out that day. Yeah.
• 41:15
  Yeah. We there's a big perimeter
• 41:16
  pepper on that the Buckeye problem.
• 41:18
  So then we go to drop to the last one.
• 41:20
  I just got out of in the front seat.
• 41:21
  My dad hands on my paper to show them who I am.
• 41:23
  I really fun stuff. He goes like kind of hand it
• 41:26
  back and I'm not even joking. I, like, snacks out of my dad's
• 41:28
  hair. Like all like, like shady like
• 41:30
  an army and militia. What the hell is it?
• 41:32
  You know, and they get out of here and there's a fuck.
• 41:36
  Paper clip that you left on the thing and like my mind is still
• 41:38
  on like a piece of golden positive.
• 41:40
  I mean, you know, I mean, it's all my fault.
• 41:41
  My God, you didn't see that like my reaction is just a snapshot
• 41:44
  out of my dad's lap. I'm with my family now, you
• 41:46
  know, and I remember looking at this and I like, look, I
• 41:49
  remember this. Like, was actually I look back
• 41:52
  and I look at my mom and my brother and like, instantly it
• 41:54
  clicked. I was like, fuck.
• 41:55
  That looks real bad. You know what I mean?
• 41:57
  And certainly like, what the hell are you doing?
• 42:00
  I was like, you have no idea how much like gold is typical that
• 42:02
  you don't say no and it was just gold for me an hour ago.
• 42:05
  You know what I'm saying? And yeah, and I always wanted to
• 42:08
  listen to Tom Petty, when I got out that free fall and song.
• 42:11
  I got was my stuff. You know, if I ever heard that
• 42:13
  in prison on the radio, I would cry every time and I bullshit
• 42:16
  and I'm, and if we we second, we get out there.
• 42:18
  We had a gas station, I buy $32, a candy Bubblegum and energy
• 42:23
  drinks. I never had energy drink before
• 42:25
  and Free Fall is a person that comes on when we get there
• 42:29
  freeway and you're like I said, the rest of my life is destined
• 42:32
  knowing that I had an overlooked like it out I died.
• 42:34
  It was like God saved my life. Good thing.
• 42:36
  You know I'm saying like I was supposed to another friend home
• 42:38
  like being that it's very rare to get to talk to somebody who's
• 42:43
  in that long that they get out like what was the biggest thing
• 42:47
  that you notice that was different than when he went in?
• 42:52
  Everything man, like I went away with the Nokia phones, a snake
• 42:54
  call them. I get out, we got flat keys and
• 42:56
  iPhones and stuff, you know, and I went away from living with my
• 42:58
  mom and dad feel like I'm not supposed to be 30 year old
• 43:01
  productive member of society. Yeah, yeah and I was like death
• 43:13
  being in there. Your go outside.
• 43:17
  After all that he's on my picture later.
• 43:18
  But I don't even post whatever to like, the picture of my
• 43:20
  relief, like, my teeth are yellow, I look horrible, and
• 43:23
  they're what? Yeah, okay.
• 43:25
  So, Teeter you, you hit the what I think is so fascinating about
• 43:29
  your story, is that You figured out how to make it work for you
• 43:34
  on the inside there and and really come to the top of the
• 43:37
  Heap. But then getting back out into
• 43:39
  society is not easy. It's not something that I think
• 43:44
  the only people that can understand that other people
• 43:46
  have been in prison, because I think a strange thing happens is
• 43:51
  that people look at you, when you get out of prison and they
• 43:53
  think, oh my God, he says he should be so excited and you are
• 43:57
  you couldn't be any more excited, but all these other
• 44:00
  things go on in your mind like the next I'm an ex-convict.
• 44:03
  Is everybody look at me as an ex-convict.
• 44:05
  What am I going to do? Am I going to get a job as a
• 44:07
  male? You give me all these things.
• 44:08
  Start spinning? How did I fit back into society
• 44:10
  with the people looking at me weird, all those things are
• 44:12
  spinning, and I think it takes you a little bit of time.
• 44:15
  Just trying to get your feet under you like.
• 44:18
  Okay, I feel okay, it's me, it's me, it's me.
• 44:23
  How did that work for you? That's exactly what it is.
• 44:26
  Known that all I say like, and that's there, that's openly why
• 44:29
  I walk away from all the money. I was making my career in the
• 44:31
  Army. Like it's All about just getting
• 44:34
  some confidence and knowing that it's possible.
• 44:36
  You know I'm saying? Like and it for me it was just
• 44:38
  like It was seeing other people do it, you know what I mean?
• 44:42
  Like seeing like, and maybe it's just how I think.
• 44:45
  But like, here's the deal. Like I bought the Paradise
• 44:47
  Valley here in Arizona, which is like, by far the most expensive
• 44:49
  zip codes like hands down, and I mean, there's like five, ten
• 44:52
  twenty billion dollars could everywhere.
• 44:54
  And I look at all those houses and just the other day, I was
• 44:56
  doing it cuz I got do that like a bootleg stuff and I'd like,
• 44:59
  maybe it's one of my gifts. I look at those houses and I'm
• 45:01
  like there's fucking no chance in the world that there can be
• 45:04
  that many of those big as houses.
• 45:05
  And I'm not going to find a way to get one.
• 45:09
  That's how I think. That's right.
• 45:31
  And let me tell you real quick, when I got out of prison and
• 45:34
  like this thing in the worst part about my story, I'll tell
• 45:36
  you how I like when I died and that's when I started making
• 45:39
  money. Like, so I get out, I'm 30 years
• 45:41
  old. Never been on a date, even never
• 45:44
  been to a bar. Of course, I know I'm a drug
• 45:47
  addict and I should be in a group every program, but keep in
• 45:50
  mind, I'm 39 years old. And I've never been to a bar.
• 45:52
  You only I'm a course entitled to do that seems that you want
• 45:57
  to do exactly as a checklist. You know what I mean?
• 46:00
  Like, literally all my college days.
• 46:02
  All that stuff, you know? Yeah, this is all right, you
• 46:07
  know did hand instead, I got to watch my no old teammates on TV,
• 46:12
  that warning is Good as we play if you know what I mean and
• 46:14
  that's the brick being. I remember watching on my first
• 46:16
  yard, I was like, oh my God, I thought 10 more years.
• 46:18
  Do you know what I mean? Yeah.
• 46:21
  So this is another thing that I struggled with in recovery, and
• 46:25
  it didn't work until I just finally like, through the talent
• 46:28
  on that. But like, I never thought it was
• 46:29
  like an alcoholic drink or that makes sense.
• 46:31
  Like, I'm a drug addict but like I don't drink like an alcoholic.
• 46:34
  Like I never drink by myself. I never like I didn't have
• 46:38
  alcohol in my house, like I just love to party.
• 46:40
  And when I party, I can't say no.
• 46:42
  And if I'm blacked out of a Say, Yes, To Joy episodes.
• 46:44
  So This is what I'm doing now. I'm five five or six days a
• 46:49
  week. I'm literally at the bar.
• 46:50
  Just drinking running through women.
• 46:53
  That's all I'm doing. And I'm like, This is pretty
• 46:56
  cool you know like freedoms can I can do, I can do that, right?
• 47:00
  And then of course, lo and behold, I'm going to do the
• 47:03
  weigh 230 pounds and wants to run his mouth in a bar, and I'm
• 47:06
  drunk. I throw a beer in his face
• 47:08
  instead of and that's my mindset, like the change me as I
• 47:11
  just do a beer in the face instead of punching in the face.
• 47:13
  You know, I mean and like out here in the street, that's don't
• 47:15
  fault, you know, I mean, if you throw paper at someone and they
• 47:17
  don't want to throw it on him, so I learned so then they put me
• 47:21
  on Mac security pro and I'm like, Oh my God.
• 47:24
  All right like what am I doing? You know what I mean?
• 47:26
  Like this is it. I got it figured out, right?
• 47:30
  But I don't want to stop drinking like I'm having so much
• 47:32
  fun with it, you know. And I'm just going to watch now.
• 47:36
  You know what I mean and like okay I get it now I can't throw
• 47:39
  a now. I'm now my part.
• 47:41
  I know I can't throw beer anybody or anything like that.
• 47:43
  So whatever I'll figure out the last name of the rooftop deck
• 47:46
  right now you know right and I remember was a buddy's birthday
• 47:50
  party was a Friday afternoon man and a liberty in the afternoon
• 47:53
  of the last thing I remembered was a shot of rumbling and I got
• 47:59
  in touch. I don't even I don't even know
• 48:01
  how I got stuck. Some of one of my old prison
• 48:03
  dudes bands and somehow end up leaving this bar.
• 48:06
  I don't even remember leaving the bar.
• 48:08
  Next thing I remember is I wake up in an ambulance and I'm like
• 48:12
  I come to I'm like what the fuck am I strapped to the standards?
• 48:16
  That I don't even know what happened.
• 48:18
  You're just in a, the last thing.
• 48:20
  I remember being at the bottom And I'm like, first thing is, I
• 48:25
  got a Berkeley but I'm like, I got to fight.
• 48:27
  Why the fuck am I in an ambulance?
• 48:28
  And I'm thinking, like, fucking almost got jumped to some
• 48:30
  because know, that big sucker punch and he's like you
• 49:23
  Right? Mmm out of myself to like one of
• 49:25
  the fuck did I survive? And I overdosed relapsed.
• 49:27
  And I'm like, who, how am I going to tell people?
• 49:29
  I just, you know, I mean like no, I get it.
• 49:33
  And I get the Hawthorne I remember, and I remember hearing
• 49:36
  my book, of course, being on this big prison stock or two, of
• 49:39
  course. I'm like, I'm not going to tell
• 49:40
  anybody in my family and I get out of this Hospital, hopefully,
• 49:43
  and whatever he knows, how does my parole officer.
• 49:45
  And I remember here, my little brother in the hallway on the
• 49:48
  phone with my dad. And I'm like, And I know Matt
• 49:53
  and I can't even talk about this point and I was like, fuck, what
• 49:57
  are you? And of course why you fucking
• 49:59
  telling Dad, And he's like you almost fucking dies.
• 50:02
  He do like No And I was like, I don't have any idea what
• 50:05
  happened? Like what is no one to tell me
• 50:06
  what happened? And then the doctor comes in and
• 50:11
  he tells me he's like I was dead when they sound like literally
• 50:14
  no heartbeat. No nothing and by the time they
• 50:19
  got me to the hospital. My heart was only being sick
• 50:21
  beats a minute. The doctor said, I'm the only
• 50:24
  person ever survive in this condition he sings and I
• 50:29
  remember laying back in the hustle bed and I are you going
• 50:31
  to have you were worth more like survivor's guilt, you know, like
• 50:34
  why the fuck did I survive this, you know, like not only do I
• 50:37
  feel guilty driver like why I'm like at this point I don't
• 50:40
  believe God's Own at God's, right?
• 50:41
  He's clean up. Give a fuck about me.
• 50:43
  You know I'm saying like why would you all of a sudden save
• 50:45
  my life here? When I was like, I was dead you
• 50:46
  don't sound like a different bed.
• 50:48
  I like those too long survive. The most cases, right?
• 50:50
  Don't say like that. But God saved my life to do this
• 50:54
  and like, it's so crazy I've ever liked.
• 50:58
  With like my mind Fitness is why I'm such a mindset person within
• 51:02
  2 seconds. My mindset switched in there and
• 51:04
  they're like, I just kept the fucking pedal on the metal like
• 51:07
  the next day and I never had. So I have a little feel like I
• 51:10
  go from thinking, it's hard to explain, but I go from laying on
• 51:13
  my bed thinking, like, I can't even look at my brother and my
• 51:15
  mom. We're like, living like sitting
• 51:17
  at you don't say, and I'm just like, looking at feel like I
• 51:20
  just want to die and then like, Something comes over me.
• 51:24
  I'm like, I'm gonna figure this shit out like, literally.
• 51:27
  All right, I'm done. I'm literally gonna do this and
• 51:30
  I marry someone someone. All right, I'm done making
• 51:33
  excuses. Fuck the alcohol.
• 51:35
  Even if I'm even if I'm like, not the full blown alcoholic,
• 51:37
  whatever it is, what it is. I'm done with the alcohol.
• 51:39
  Like, I haven't even had a chance to like it.
• 51:41
  I'm 31 years old, they don't like.
• 51:43
  So, I just told myself when I'm done making excuses, I'm
• 51:45
  actually in a trying, like, do different.
• 51:46
  And I'm like, Not just going to be putting cop out with your
• 51:50
  just use, this prison sentence to stand, like the next day, I
• 51:53
  decided to and I went to a fucking meeting your own eyes.
• 51:57
  I literally went to sing 150 meetings, like my first 90 days,
• 52:00
  you know, I had no job, I had no idea.
• 52:02
  I had no idea how to say, so rad no money, no job and all it is
• 52:06
  went to recover me to know and melon fucking someone give me a
• 52:08
  job selling cars, you know, and talking to you were good at
• 52:12
  selling cars. I murdered a man.
• 52:14
  I mean I I mean, I went from never having a job my entire
• 52:18
  life making 10 grand my second month ever working.
• 52:20
  Yep. And I'm like, I remember I get
• 52:23
  my first bonus. Check it is like, 3,900 bucks or
• 52:26
  something after taxes. I already got paid the week
• 52:28
  before, and I'm here to do, like I said, once upon a time when I
• 52:32
  was never like no ball of the truth.
• 52:33
  I was just fucking feet. You know?
• 52:34
  I mean like that was instantly the most money I've ever had my
• 52:37
  life. I'm a 31 year old adult, you
• 52:38
  know. Yeah but it just it separate
• 52:41
  switch off me and I'm like once I saw that I could make money.
• 52:44
  I knew it was over with and I just like to switch my addiction
• 52:47
  and from everything here addiction.
• 52:48
  Yeah. But money, I made.
• 52:53
  You know, 10, 15 grand a month? No no I can't.
• 52:55
  I mean in finances, 13 months ago, like I'm in my soul
• 52:58
  Mercedes-Benz to Mercedes-Benz a channel dealership.
• 53:01
  I have every cent charge of what you can imagine and then within
• 53:03
  13 months, I'm a finance manager at a huge part of the sipping
• 53:06
  Scottsdale and I'm one of three guys with a key to the safe at
• 53:09
  the dealership. Yep.
• 53:10
  And I'm making 200 grams fluffier with a still on parole.
• 53:14
  Yeah, with my parole after I pull up in my brand new member I
• 53:18
  finance 84 753 185 thousand dollar truck.
• 53:21
  My pain was Even 89 a month and I'm two years out of prison.
• 53:25
  That's cool. And the biggest thing like it
• 53:29
  started going through those because I stay sober and I
• 53:31
  always remember this as long as I stayed sober and kept my
• 53:33
  sobriety and check everything will fall into place.
• 53:35
  You know. And I, I just I just can't give
• 53:37
  up anymore. You know I'm saying?
• 53:38
  Like if I give up on dad, you know, I mean like yeah finally I
• 53:41
  had to dumb it down for myself like that you don't feel like if
• 53:44
  I choose to be, we can go drink again or relapse.
• 53:46
  You could die. I don't have no, I'm saying,
• 53:48
  like God saved my life to do this Mission and it's Willa.
• 53:53
  Molecular carbon is like I was there.
• 53:55
  I just made 41 Grand in April and that's clearly.
• 53:58
  Not only like now it's not money.
• 53:59
  So I quite like coming out of prison like, yeah, like it's
• 54:07
  kind of interesting though. How because I had my own Rock
• 54:11
  Bottom moment, but you know, sometimes when you hit that Rock
• 54:15
  Bottom Oak is a lot of people don't know, like, oh my God.
• 54:17
  I hope I never hit rock bottom, which I hope most people don't,
• 54:20
  but hitting rock bottom. It can be a new beginning that
• 54:23
  actually makes everything clear. You got Clarity.
• 54:27
  You know, you either have death or you have your future.
• 54:33
  That looks a lot different if you want.
• 54:36
  My look at my real and I post on my subject was Brody crying.
• 54:39
  That was on my show, we said the same thing as like, And he said
• 54:42
  it's fucking perfect. Right on let me know.
• 54:44
  Brody come you should follow him.
• 54:45
  Get him on your show to you. It's badass and he says like
• 54:48
  he's like the same thing in me that will make me drink myself
• 54:50
  to death is the same fucking thing that I make millions with.
• 54:54
  As long as I remember flip that switch, it's the same switch,
• 54:58
  you know what I'm saying? We all got to fit in with the
• 55:01
  flipping that switch and figuring it out.
• 55:03
  So you go in and you start doing this and then Wendy.
• 55:07
  When do you decide that you want to go in and start talking to
• 55:09
  people going back into the prison?
• 55:11
  And being in that world. Again, what crazy and it came
• 55:15
  out of me like over like overnight and like I just have
• 55:19
  April with my best month of my career working.
• 55:20
  As a financial aid, I made 41 Grand.
• 55:23
  And then I just I felt selfish Honestly though man.
• 55:26
  Like I had I wasn't doing anything to help people and I
• 55:29
  was just stacking up money. Just buying, you know, do
• 55:32
  whatever buying clothes? No, and it still fun.
• 55:36
  Yeah, it was fun. But yeah, I mean there's I mean
• 55:39
  I bought for pardon I was there. I mean there's only probably
• 55:41
  Charging by ignoring and I finally was like, I was like,
• 55:48
  damn, I need to go show these dudes that we can do this.
• 55:50
  Like and literally I was like, fuck.
• 55:53
  Now that I know this pasta, like, I would have never
• 55:56
  believed this was, I thought myself, so am I?
• 55:59
  I've got to like, I just save up some money.
• 56:03
  I was going to sell my house and I was just like, I'm gonna quit
• 56:05
  my job and just like, like I said, I found out who's making
• 56:08
  money on Instagram and shit. I'm like, there's no chance in
• 56:10
  hell. Did you can help me?
• 56:11
  That's right. And that's good.
• 56:13
  I was just like, I'm out, I remember call my gym and my
• 56:16
  office is the only guy that ever.
• 56:17
  Let me work for him. You know?
• 56:17
  I mean and I call him in then he's like, what's up?
• 56:20
  And I was like, I don't know what to say other than the fact
• 56:23
  that I gotta quit. He's like, what do you mean?
• 56:25
  I was like, I mean, no one walks is my job, like you at the whole
• 56:28
  dealership, everyone beg to get the financing.
• 56:30
  Don't worry. That's that's the Promise Land,
• 56:33
  people rate family to live good, lighting appliances, you know I
• 56:35
  mean and this do that just did 12 years in prison with a
• 56:39
  presentation by already on to the next thing.
• 56:41
  You know. And I just pulled out the, I
• 56:44
  just don't know what to say other than like, I just know I
• 56:46
  meant to be more, you know, I mean like I'm not meant to sit
• 56:49
  here and stole the one who's, like I'm doing like I want to
• 56:52
  help people. Not just, by this time, like my
• 56:54
  bike, I got so mad that b TV show and I realize I like my
• 56:56
  sword kind of impact will you know what I'm like?
• 56:59
  Be honest doc there's a good chance I could pull my Face and
• 57:01
  come out to the job act. Like I got to go try and do
• 57:03
  something on my own. I'm just gonna try to get my
• 57:05
  score up and help people, you know, I'm like, I'd be honest.
• 57:07
  I have no idea what I'm going to do and I didn't think I was
• 57:09
  gonna do a podcast for my summer job.
• 57:11
  I didn't, I was gonna open up a treatment center.
• 57:12
  That was my goal and He's like we talked for an hour and a half
• 57:17
  and like both cried and you said he loved me, man.
• 57:20
  He's like, if it doesn't work out he's like, I would love to
• 57:22
  have you back and helps the family Earth and like to hang
• 57:25
  out in golf with him. And so I just I quit my job and
• 57:29
  by this time I know it kind of people from that working out of
• 57:32
  that office and just do what I do, you know.
• 57:33
  And so what I did is I just built up a phone book.
• 57:36
  You know, I started all these people, I know.
• 57:37
  Now, I'm just, like, set up a gym eating lunch meeting,
• 57:40
  coffee, whatever. I'm only picking everybody's
• 57:42
  brain. Just figuring out with my brain.
• 57:43
  What I can put, where we're cool Two and two together here and
• 57:47
  there and been a pretty cool year and a half now.
• 57:52
  That is so cool. Tell me a little bit about your
• 57:54
  brand or clothing brand. Yeah, that's another thing that
• 57:57
  I started with one of my good friends Johnny.
• 57:59
  I like I just I'm real proud of you sober now, you know what I
• 58:04
  mean? And I realized that my sobriety
• 58:06
  and my like recovery because I was such a fuckup before the
• 58:09
  couple a lot of people to really struggle with with sobriety and
• 58:12
  I just kind of wanted to like I you know, I'm always out and
• 58:14
  then I like to be like, you know, like like we talked about
• 58:16
  with prison run shit. I liked it.
• 58:18
  I want people to be proud to be sober.
• 58:20
  You know, I think a lot of people that one thing I noticed
• 58:22
  is when people are sober they want to sit on the download and
• 58:24
  you know that clown drink either and I'm like, I'm broadcasting.
• 58:27
  I feel like it's a bar, you know, I mean and so I want to
• 58:30
  create a brand I was like look cool people would like promote
• 58:32
  like and it worked perfectly because now it's like when I
• 58:34
  wear that to the gym people that are sober completely over and
• 58:37
  like I can talk to him and if I wasn't remember I would have
• 58:39
  never known that I was sober, you know, I mean, I just I love
• 58:42
  that one standout found out absolutely.
• 58:46
  Yeah, hey, but the other thing I totally off subject, but Seth
• 58:52
  told me that when the Cobra thing happened that you were one
• 58:55
  of the guys that were training like the pro guys and was it
• 59:00
  like a new gym or like in your my garage?
• 59:04
  Yeah, is that correct? I mean, I don't think it's like
• 59:06
  a crazy story know what well, that's one thing.
• 59:10
  And I really like how to get like, kind of good at networking
• 59:12
  and stuff too. So I have like, I bought this
• 59:14
  house for this RV grunts. Oh, I'd like a, it's a separate
• 59:17
  Bullock 44 foot, RV, garage with a built-in office, in a
• 59:19
  bathroom, in the back, but it seems great.
• 59:21
  That sounds cool do. But bloody pulled out mean, I
• 59:25
  like either Ventures, like I would want to do a gym here.
• 59:27
  Something going to the gym door, closing down and the coming to
• 59:31
  Little Gym here. You know, I don't leave the
• 59:32
  house anyway, you know, and So, I had to build this entire game,
• 59:37
  like literally with an overnight.
• 59:38
  Like I found it to that spot and sold personal gym equipment on
• 59:41
  the side and like I went over there and saw his whole gym.
• 59:44
  I was like, I went to go buy a couple pieces and I was just
• 59:47
  like it turned out. I was like, What if I could
• 59:49
  borrow your old and I always have like youngsters, I help
• 59:54
  mention that gets over so that I can get my little over to my
• 59:56
  house. I paid them all about today and
• 59:58
  set everything up for like I went from having nothing out
• 1:00:00
  there to. I'm working up to finance out of
• 1:00:02
  all day long and I come home from work that night.
• 1:00:04
  I'm entire gentleman like Like token commercial gym.
• 1:00:07
  I've everything you can imagine and it got so big out here in
• 1:00:12
  Arizona. A lot of big-time games.
• 1:00:15
  I was following her. Posting, anybody know where, of
• 1:00:18
  course, And I wanted to come home to do,
• 1:00:35
  but not like that, you know? I mean like there's rules voices
• 1:00:38
  McLaren ball down. The street.
• 1:00:39
  Timing is everything right Pete? The perfect.
• 1:00:43
  Yeah. I mean, I've never got a bunch
• 1:00:44
  of NFL player to Nepal from that economy and I just like timing
• 1:00:48
  was right on my stuff you know I'm saying?
• 1:00:50
  I like your thinking but the cool thing about your story is
• 1:00:53
  that you you've just stepped into it.
• 1:00:56
  You know, I mean who does that who goes and buys a whole gym
• 1:00:59
  and during during covid and then you're the guy that has
• 1:01:02
  everything and you got the NFL guys over.
• 1:01:04
  Just using your stuff and you make all these different
• 1:01:06
  connections from that? I love it.
• 1:01:08
  Yeah, I love it. Yeah, you know it should it
• 1:01:11
  should be a movie. I mean obviously you know it
• 1:01:13
  should be the chapter and I forgot to ask, where did chappie
• 1:01:16
  come from? I just had a chat about that.
• 1:01:21
  I'll be damned that guy. Alright, so I got to ask you so
• 1:01:33
  after everything. You've lived through.
• 1:01:34
  I always ask this question at the end because, you know,
• 1:01:37
  you've been on one hell of a journey.
• 1:01:42
  What do you think? Is your biggest takeaway from
• 1:01:44
  all this to shove it out there to the listeners?
• 1:01:50
  To be honest, I feel like I was I no joke.
• 1:01:52
  I was met on this Earth to like literally I'm no joke that my
• 1:02:00
  biggest goal life is like I'm a single handedly changed the
• 1:02:03
  recidivism rate for the entire country.
• 1:02:05
  Like I want to inspire people to make them do real.
• 1:02:09
  Quick is another thing I noticed was like, when I'm at work with
• 1:02:11
  a bunch of the big first time athletes and stuff, like all the
• 1:02:14
  guys that are drunk, they have heart-to-heart.
• 1:02:15
  See, now when they're drunk and I like you don't want to be
• 1:02:17
  sober like you only do this. Like yeah.
• 1:02:18
  I honestly could recruit people are being an addict and
• 1:02:21
  alcoholic to being sober. I want to start an entire sober
• 1:02:23
  movement and I really appreciate that.
• 1:02:25
  Down. I want to be known for changing
• 1:02:27
  the world like literally. Like that's my biggest own I
• 1:02:29
  feel like God has blessed me so much colors because I like men
• 1:02:32
  to change the one. I'm not going to stop until I do
• 1:02:33
  it, man. I love it.
• 1:02:36
  We got two in there. That's, that's, that's a good
• 1:02:38
  way. It's, I mean, I tell you Peter,
• 1:02:41
  man, you are an inspiration, your stories and inspiration.
• 1:02:46
  Feel lucky to be able to have you on and be able to for you to
• 1:02:49
  share this story. Anything else.
• 1:02:53
  I didn't ask you anything else. You say what you say, Pete?
• 1:02:57
  Thank you. Another big thousand step run
• 1:02:59
  for hooking this up. Yeah, I know and Gary is great
• 1:03:02
  for anybody out there. That's, you know, just kind of
• 1:03:05
  looking around, you want to read a book.
• 1:03:07
  I wrote one, it's called nightmare success, loyalty
• 1:03:11
  betrayal, Life Behind Bars. Adapting finally.
• 1:03:14
  Finally Breaking Free. A memoir like social media.
• 1:03:19
  Love all that. Hey anybody, there's a whole
• 1:03:21
  different weird algorithm. That happens when you do a post
• 1:03:25
  a review. You on Apple.
• 1:03:26
  It helps the show. Go there, do that.
• 1:03:29
  Follow the little Bell on Spotify.
• 1:03:31
  Follow the show. Share the show.
• 1:03:34
  Oh, and I was going to tell everybody, I just got in to from
• 1:03:38
  Travis Richey. That helped me out nine more
• 1:03:41
  success in and out, is now on adobo, it's in 200 prisons for
• 1:03:46
  you guys that are Behind the Walls, I couldn't be more happy
• 1:03:49
  to be with you guys. Go to the Discovery section on
• 1:03:53
  your tablet type in night. More success in and out, you'll
• 1:03:57
  find my episodes. Thank you, Travis Richey for
• 1:04:00
  that hook up. As I used to say, when I was
• 1:04:04
  typing from my core links, true links back.
• 1:04:07
  When I was in prison. Stay strong and I'll do the same
• 1:04:09
  Peter Meyerhoff. Thank you, my man.
• 1:04:11
  You're so cool. Thanks Evie, but I appreciate
• 1:04:14
  it. All right, man.