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The Kenny Report | 2 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 3: With property prices falling, leading economists worry Labour's tax grabs
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  Speaker 3: are leading to a potential housing crash, but Albo thinks
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  Speaker 3: it's all sweet across to Alexander Downer in London. Julia
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  Speaker 3: Gillard in the UK tries to wash her hands over
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  Speaker 3: how her government deleted definitions of a man and a
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  Speaker 3: woman from the Sex Discrimination Act. The embarrassing story of
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  Speaker 3: how South Australia recruited a nurse from overseas and then
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  Speaker 3: the state government and Canberra hit her with tens of
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  Speaker 3: thousands of dollars in extra taxes and costs. Also an
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  Speaker 3: Australian Jewish mother's perspective on anti Semitism in this country.
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  Speaker 1: Sport with Robbo as the World Cup heads to.
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  Speaker 3: The business end, and there's plenty of silliness, including at
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  Speaker 3: the Midwinter Ball, for the National Cabinet to sort out
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  Speaker 3: for us.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: It was a bit of a messy day in Parliament
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  Speaker 3: on the final sitting day before the winter break. It
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  Speaker 3: was also the night after the Midwinter Ball, of course,
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  Speaker 3: which raises a lot of money for charity, but is
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  Speaker 3: actually the most incestuous Canbra bubble event every year in Canberra.
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  Speaker 1: It's the bubble with bubbles inside the Canberra bubble.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, Today in question Time, the Coalition tried to alert
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  Speaker 3: the Government again to the looming economic strife in the
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  Speaker 3: housing market, a housing bubble that could be bursting.
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  Speaker 4: My question is to the Prime Minister. Twice in this
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  Speaker 4: Parliament the Prime Minister has been directly asked to guarantee
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  Speaker 4: housing prices will not tank.
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  Speaker 1: Twice he refused.
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  Speaker 4: The Prime Minister keeps claiming his budget he's helping first
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  Speaker 4: home buyers. Can he tell the House whether the number
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  Speaker 4: of first home buyers has actually increased since the budget
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  Speaker 4: and by how many?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Alberanezi is in denial of bas up this problem,
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  Speaker 3: at least publicly. In this answer, he tried to justify
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  Speaker 3: prices going down, latching onto how a Coalition spokesman had
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  Speaker 3: said they were too high, and the PM again turned
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  Speaker 3: to a regional real estate agent to convince the nation
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  Speaker 3: that all is hunky dory.
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  Speaker 5: In tweedtheads in the electorate of Richmond, according to real
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  Speaker 5: esta agent, or a nice local young family moving for
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  Speaker 5: a unit in their first time right around Australia. This
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  Speaker 5: is what is happening and this is what will continue
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  Speaker 5: to happen.
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  Speaker 3: Come in Spinnerhey, but elsewhere economic experts are concerned, like
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  Speaker 3: economics professor, company director and contributing economics edit to the
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  Speaker 3: Australian newspaper Judith Sloan after yesterday's news of prices falling
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  Speaker 3: right around the country, she says we're heading for a
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  Speaker 3: major real estate correction, even a crash.
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  Speaker 1: If house prices are falling.
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  Speaker 3: Who wants to rush into buy if prices will be
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  Speaker 3: a whole lot lower in six or twelve months, ask Sloan,
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  Speaker 3: And what happens to the supply of suitable homes for
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  Speaker 3: purchase when property prices are falling? They simply dry up
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  Speaker 3: as owners hold off on putting their properties up for sale.
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  Speaker 3: Due to Sloane continues, we see this in recent house
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  Speaker 3: auction data. But only has the auction clearance rate fallen
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  Speaker 3: below the magic fifty percent mark, but the number of
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  Speaker 3: auctions is also far fewer than just twelve months ago.
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  Speaker 3: Now this is a worry for people who want to
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  Speaker 3: get into the market, and for those who want to
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  Speaker 3: sell their houses, and for those who are heavily geared
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  Speaker 3: and have just purchased their first home. But it's also
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  Speaker 3: a worry for the broader economy. As Ross Greenwood explained.
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  Speaker 6: If home prices established, home prices are falling, Australians spend less.
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  Speaker 6: They spend less on furniture, on cars, or on home renovations,
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  Speaker 6: on a whole range of things. Ow Builders don't build
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  Speaker 6: when home prices are falling, and the reason is because
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  Speaker 6: there is no buying demand out there to buy those times,
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  Speaker 6: and so therefore the impact on the economy can be
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  Speaker 6: especially died.
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  Speaker 3: It's a worry, isn't it. But the Prime Minister and
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  Speaker 3: Treasurer remain smug as ever, expect this issue to grow
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  Speaker 3: week by week and the government's arrogance will gradually disappear
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  Speaker 3: as the pain increases.
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  Speaker 1: In the real world.
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  Speaker 3: The gender debate in Australia has finally caught up with
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  Speaker 3: former Prime Minister Julia Gillard.
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  Speaker 1: In the UK, Gillard, of.
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  Speaker 3: Course, presided over changes to the law that have allowed
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  Speaker 3: for all the ambiguity in our courts over what is
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  Speaker 3: a man and what is a woman. It's pretty much
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  Speaker 3: anything goes now, As we saw in the now infamous
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  Speaker 3: Tickle versus.
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  Speaker 1: Giggle Court case.
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  Speaker 3: Gigil is a woman's only special media, a social media
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  Speaker 3: platform that was founded by Sal Grover, who's now lost
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  Speaker 3: twice in the courts, lost her right to ban a
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  Speaker 3: transgender woman that is a biological man Roxanetikel from the platform.
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  Speaker 3: So when Gillard spoke at Manchester University, she was asked
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  Speaker 3: a question about that case, the gender debate and her
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  Speaker 3: role in confusing it.
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  Speaker 7: When you change the sex discrimination law to reflect the
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  Speaker 7: gender identity and not sex, meaning that women in Australia
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  Speaker 7: are no longer defined in law by biological sex, did
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  Speaker 7: you consider or reflect on some of the nintended consequences
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  Speaker 7: of that now.
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  Speaker 3: This refers to the amendments to the Sex Discrimination Act
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  Speaker 3: legislated by the Gillard government back in twenty thirteen. This
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  Speaker 3: got rid of the definitions of man and woman and
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  Speaker 3: was explained in this way. These definitions are repealed in
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  Speaker 3: order to to ensure that man and woman are not
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  Speaker 3: interpreted so narrowly as to exclude, for example, a transgender
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  Speaker 3: woman from accessing protections from discrimination on the basis of
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  Speaker 3: other attributes contained in the Sex Discrimination Act. Imagine that
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  Speaker 3: it's a sex discrimination act, but it refuses to narrowly
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  Speaker 3: define sex. The law doesn't want to be bound by
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  Speaker 3: the scientific reality of sex. What could possibly go wrong?
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  Speaker 3: Gillard suggests, all this was unforeseeable at the time.
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  Speaker 8: Look, I'm not sure that this is going to be
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  Speaker 8: too interesting to the audience because it's a very Australian matter.
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  Speaker 8: But let me just respond in the following way. If
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  Speaker 8: you look at the parliamentary debates in the changes to
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  Speaker 8: the Sex Discrimination Act in twenty twelve, you'll find that
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  Speaker 8: the issues you're referring to were not raised by anyone
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  Speaker 8: because they simply weren't a matter of public discourse the
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  Speaker 8: way they are today. So it was a different time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a different time.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, it sure was back when a woman did not
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  Speaker 3: have a penis and a man was not a woman.
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  Speaker 3: What is it with these progressive types when they fiddle
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  Speaker 3: with basic biology in an effort to appear woke, and
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  Speaker 3: they wonder why the real world doesn't conform to their
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  Speaker 3: bizarre version of nirvana? And Gillard still runs from the consequences.
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  Speaker 3: If she really cared about the rights of women and girls,
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  Speaker 3: she would admit her error and suggest that her colleagues
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  Speaker 3: set about repairing the damage. Now let's go to London
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  Speaker 3: and catch up with Alexander Downer, Australia's longest serving foreign minister.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Alexander. It's a while we're in
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  Speaker 3: the UK surprising that Julia Gillard pops up in the news.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think about her sort of washing her
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  Speaker 3: hand of this definitional issue which is causing a fair
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  Speaker 3: bit of strife, not just in Australia but around the world.
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  Speaker 9: So the follow up question for her is, therefore, why
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  Speaker 9: did she change the definition in the sex Sex Discrimination
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  Speaker 9: that Act? What was the logic of that? And I mean, frankly,
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  Speaker 9: it's very much a politician's answer that she gave at
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  Speaker 9: Manchester University, trying to avoid her culpability in the mess
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  Speaker 9: that this has created.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, she's just washing her hands of it, despite
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  Speaker 3: her key role in the history of all this. I
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  Speaker 3: want to stay on domestic politics for a moment before
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  Speaker 3: we switched to global affairs.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to get your take on what's happening
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  Speaker 1: in the economic debate here.
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  Speaker 3: You're, of course a former shadow treasurer, a former economist
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  Speaker 3: before you went into politics. How surprising is it that
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  Speaker 3: this federal labor government would actually increase taxes on real estate,
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  Speaker 3: get rid of negative gearing provisions, and increase capital gains tax.
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  Speaker 3: A surprise, surprise, it might help push housing prices down.
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  Speaker 9: Well, it's obviously going to do that because you're reducing
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  Speaker 9: the incentive for people to invest in housing. So you're
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  Speaker 9: seeing a decline in investment in housing, including through speculative
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  Speaker 9: investments and so on. So if there's less investment in housing,
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  Speaker 9: then house prices will start to fall. The other side
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  Speaker 9: of that equation is as house prices ball, then they
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  Speaker 9: will therefore continue to be less investment in housing, so
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  Speaker 9: you'll get pure houses built, so gradually over time, they're
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  Speaker 9: creating a whole new housing crisis where people will lose
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  Speaker 9: value in the houses they've invest in invested in, and
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  Speaker 9: you might even have the problem of negative equity in housing,
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  Speaker 9: which will be a huge social problem.
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  Speaker 3: It seems an extraordinarily reckless thing to do at a
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  Speaker 3: time when the economy was slowing anyway, and where there's
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  Speaker 3: inflation pressure on interest rates which have gone up and
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  Speaker 3: could go up again.
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  Speaker 1: This is something that now that they've.
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  Speaker 3: Introduced these new taxes and they've got those other factors
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  Speaker 3: at play, it's going to be almost impossible for them
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  Speaker 3: to control.
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  Speaker 1: They just have to hope for the best.
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  Speaker 9: Look, what they should do is encourage investment in housing,
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  Speaker 9: not discourage investment in housing, and make sure that there
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  Speaker 9: is a commensat increase in supply, supply of land, quick
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  Speaker 9: approvals of construction and so on. All of that will
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  Speaker 9: keep house prices stable when we'll keep in investment going
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  Speaker 9: into the housing sector. But what they've done is taken,
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  Speaker 9: in effect, take investment out of the housing sector without
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  Speaker 9: changing their supply.
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  Speaker 1: So, I mean, the.
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  Speaker 9: Thing about the president Australian government is they don't seem
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  Speaker 9: to understand economics. They seem to have absolutely no understanding
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  Speaker 9: of the simple equations of supply and demand, and they're
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  Speaker 9: going to push the economy into a recession if this continues.
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  Speaker 1: That's the risk.
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  Speaker 3: That is the risk, as Ross Greenwood said, because this
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  Speaker 3: impact on the broader economy right across the board.
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  Speaker 1: And you mentioned this issue of negative equity.
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  Speaker 3: This is what I focused on last night because labor
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  Speaker 3: have pushed the scheme, a government subsidized scheme to get
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  Speaker 3: people into the housing market with just a five percent deposit.
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  Speaker 3: Now very quickly, many of those people will be a
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  Speaker 3: negative equity, even if they're not there now time when
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  Speaker 3: the economy is slowing down, this really could be difficult
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  Speaker 3: for those people and of course the whole economy.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, there's no doubt about that. And these are relatively
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  Speaker 9: low income young people who have put a huge amount
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  Speaker 9: of money, borrowed a huge amount of money to buy
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  Speaker 9: a house or an apartment, and as a result, they're
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  Speaker 9: seeing the nest egg that they put into that diminishing value.
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  Speaker 9: Very dangerous and very bad for the economy. If at
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  Speaker 9: least a section of society finds themselves with negative equity
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  Speaker 9: in their property, all this fall in property prices is
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  Speaker 9: going to have a very negative effect overall on the economy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, to hell of a worry.
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  Speaker 3: Let me get to you on the biggest international issue
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  Speaker 3: of the day, and that is the on again, off
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  Speaker 3: again talks in the Middle East to the US and
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  Speaker 3: around talking again some sort of fragile cease fire holding
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  Speaker 3: for now, but Trump's still talking up the threat.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, isn't this Iran's game.
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  Speaker 3: Hasn't this always been a rounds game to never do
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  Speaker 3: anything substantial, to never offer anything to the international security obligations,
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  Speaker 3: just to keep stringing people along.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, They've always done that. It's a long standing tactic
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  Speaker 9: of the Iranian regime to extend negotiations for as long
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  Speaker 9: as they possibly can. So I think the Americans have
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  Speaker 9: got themselves into a weaker position now as they have
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  Speaker 9: worried so much and the public have worried so much
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  Speaker 9: about the Strait of Homus, Whereas where they have had
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  Speaker 9: had real leverage over the Iranians, it's not just their
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  Speaker 9: superior military, but the way they were able to blockade
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  Speaker 9: Iranian ports and the Iranians weren't able to export their
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  Speaker 9: oil anymore, or much of their oil anymore. That was
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  Speaker 9: having a devastating effect not only on the Iranian economy,
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  Speaker 9: but on the revenue of the IRGC, who run the
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  Speaker 9: Iranian society, run the Iranian military in effect. But more
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  Speaker 9: than that, they derive something like forty percent of the
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  Speaker 9: revenue from oil cells for themselves. So the blockade of
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  Speaker 9: the ports was very effective. But they Americans have lifted
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  Speaker 9: the blockade now, and so you've got into this game
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  Speaker 9: of occasional out breaks of violin negotiations which don't seem
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  Speaker 9: to be leading anywhere. So where will this all land up?
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  Speaker 9: This call will land up with fighting renewed. I'll not
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  Speaker 9: and on a substantial scale if the Americans want to
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  Speaker 9: make sure that ultimately they're successful.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Alexander. Appreciate Alexander down their life
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  Speaker 3: for London. I want to get onto immigration. There's still
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  Speaker 3: a hot topic. So let me share an example of
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  Speaker 3: how this country has screwed over a welcome immigrant that
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  Speaker 3: we actually recruited here.
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  Speaker 1: Because we needed it.
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  Speaker 3: The South Australian Health Department was sprooking for nurses overseas
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  Speaker 3: and English midwife Kate Edwards applied.
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  Speaker 1: She was snapped up.
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  Speaker 3: They wanted her to work in Wyala and she was
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  Speaker 3: snapped up with the offer of a job and permanent residency.
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  Speaker 3: But because the need was urgent at South Australian Health's initiative,
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  Speaker 3: she came can I hear early on a temporary work
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  Speaker 3: visa rather than the permanent residency.
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  Speaker 1: So then after buying a house she's been caught up
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  Speaker 1: with extraordinary red tape and additional costs.
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  Speaker 3: Kate's been hit with tens of thousands of dollars in
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  Speaker 3: extra taxes and foreign investment costs because she didn't have
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  Speaker 3: permanent residency. Kate Edwards joins me now along with her
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  Speaker 3: local MP Tom Venning, who joins in from Canberra.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks both for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: Kate tell us first up from your perspective, you came
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  Speaker 3: to Australia early because they wanted you and your services
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  Speaker 3: here early.
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  Speaker 1: But it's cost you how much money.
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  Speaker 10: In the region of around seventy two thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 1: And no one warned you.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't say, well, if you come here quickly to
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  Speaker 3: help us out on a temporary visa, it's going to
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  Speaker 3: cost you.
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  Speaker 10: No, that was never explained to us.
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  Speaker 11: No, we had no idea.
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  Speaker 3: Tell me I've come out with your partner apparently. Now
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  Speaker 3: tell me then that I believe that you've been able
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  Speaker 3: to get some help, that there are state costs involved
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  Speaker 3: here and there are federal costs. The state government has
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  Speaker 3: agreed they've been lobbied on your case and they're going
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  Speaker 3: to refund.
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  Speaker 1: You how much money.
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  Speaker 10: Twenty seven hundred right.
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  Speaker 3: Have you seen that yet or there's just an undertaking
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  Speaker 3: to get it back.
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  Speaker 1: To you.
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  Speaker 10: Not received it yet, but have received an email today
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  Speaker 10: from the State Treasurer confirming that that was going to
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  Speaker 10: be refunded.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Now when it comes to Canberra, the federal government because
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  Speaker 3: you're not a permanent resident. Have hit you with foreign
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  Speaker 3: investment to foreign investment taxes and costs?
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  Speaker 1: What have they amounted to?
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  Speaker 10: That's in the region of around forty four thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, thanks for coming to Australia and helping us out.
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  Speaker 1: Please give us forty four thousand dollars extra.
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  Speaker 3: Let me go to your local MP, the Liberal member
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  Speaker 3: in that area, Tom Venning joining us from Camberra.
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  Speaker 1: Tom tell us about this. What are these charges from
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  Speaker 1: the federal government and how can they be refer undered?
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  Speaker 12: Chris s credit with you, mate. I just want to say,
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  Speaker 12: you know, Kate, thank you for what you've done. You
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  Speaker 12: know you're an asset to this country. We need more
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  Speaker 12: people like you to come and fill the skill shortages
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  Speaker 12: in regional Australia. So that was an admin bunder for Kate.
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  Speaker 12: She was wanted to come out on a permanent residency visa,
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  Speaker 12: but the hospital needed her asap to keep the birthing
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  Speaker 12: facilities active in that hospital, so she came out on
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  Speaker 12: a different visa. Now, because she fell into a different queue,
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  Speaker 12: all of these fees started to add up, so the
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  Speaker 12: government considered her a foreign investor, a speculator. Essentially, and
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  Speaker 12: slapped it with a forty four thousand dollar fee from
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  Speaker 12: the Foreign Investment Review Board, and that followed up by
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  Speaker 12: another twenty eighty seven hundred dollar fee from the State government.
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  Speaker 12: Now they've been sitting on this for fifteen months and
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  Speaker 12: it's only when I brought this issue and Kate brought
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  Speaker 12: this issue to me only back in May, and we
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  Speaker 12: brought this issue up in the Federal Parliament that we've
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  Speaker 12: started to see the will's turn. Now after a lot
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  Speaker 12: of pressure, Yes, the state government has folded and that
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  Speaker 12: they're giving her money back, but we haven't got that
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  Speaker 12: same confirmation from Jim. We've got a pre final letter
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  Speaker 12: from the ATO on Friday saying no, no, this decision's final.
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  Speaker 12: But Jim needs to do a minister intervention and give
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  Speaker 12: Kate her forty four thousand dollars back.
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  Speaker 3: You're talking about Jim Chalmers as the Treasurer. He has
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  Speaker 3: the authority to do this. Surely he can look at
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  Speaker 3: this case. It's straightforward. Australia. South Australia wanted Kate here
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  Speaker 3: to add to our medical services.
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  Speaker 1: She's been doing that.
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  Speaker 3: Surely Jim Charmers, with the stroke of a pen can
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  Speaker 3: make sure these costs are refunded to her.
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  Speaker 12: He absolutely can and he must, and it's currently setting
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  Speaker 12: the wrong message. We have birth birthing facilities closing down
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  Speaker 12: and the last week in Jamestown and in Chrystal Book
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  Speaker 12: and a few months ago in Kapunda. So this sends
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  Speaker 12: the wrong message to midwives out there. You know, we
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  Speaker 12: need people like Kate to come out and keep our
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  Speaker 12: birthing facilities active. Jim need to act right now and
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  Speaker 12: give Kate her money back.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Tom, Just for viewers. Tom's the Liberal member for Gray.
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  Speaker 3: It's one of the largest seats in the country. It
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  Speaker 3: covers most of South Australia in the north, a number
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  Speaker 3: of larger towns like Whyala.
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  Speaker 1: But a lot of a lot of very remote areas.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, medical services at a premium. Kate, tell us about
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  Speaker 3: the work you've been doing Wyala would be a hell
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  Speaker 3: of a contrast to where you've come from. Tell us
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: about how busy you've been and how badly needed your
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: services have been.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, so the birthing center's doing really well.
• 20:26
  Speaker 10: The births increasing, The number of births that we're having
• 20:29
  Speaker 10: are increasing, Women are getting more choice. We've been able
• 20:33
  Speaker 10: to bring in water birth vaginal delivery after cesarean section
• 20:38
  Speaker 10: induction of labor. So words getting around that we're back
• 20:41
  Speaker 10: up and running. And yeah it's really busy and it's
• 20:45
  Speaker 10: a really great place to work.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: And how are you coping with the red sand, the
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: red rocks, the clear skies.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: It's not like the green lush fields of England.
• 20:55
  Speaker 10: No, it's not what I mean. I can't complain about.
• 20:57
  Speaker 10: But whether the sunaor is shines in Wuyala, which it
• 20:59
  Speaker 10: doesn't always in England, so it's names change fantastic.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Well given you in South Australia, make sure you're bury
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: for the Adelaide Crows too, Thanks very much. Now, Tom Venning,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: we've heard your pitch to the to the treasure.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Let's hear it one more time.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, Anthony Albertezi and Jim Charmers ought to fix
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: this one immediately. How can you get the message directly
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: to them?
• 21:22
  Speaker 12: Well, Chris, we know the Labor government loves taxes. They're
• 21:25
  Speaker 12: taxing us in every sense of what they can. Now
• 21:29
  Speaker 12: in this situation, you know, Kate is an absolute essential
• 21:33
  Speaker 12: worker to keep our regional hospitals active. We must give
• 21:37
  Speaker 12: her her money back because it sounds the right message
• 21:39
  Speaker 12: to other midwives, allied health professionals and gps that need
• 21:42
  Speaker 12: to come to this country to fill these critical shortages.
• 21:46
  Speaker 12: It's not fair that your postcode determins your health outcomes.
• 21:48
  Speaker 12: So Jim please sign that you just got to sign
• 21:51
  Speaker 12: that piece of paper and give Kate forty four thousand
• 21:53
  Speaker 12: dollars back.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Kate, thanks for coming out, Thanks for choosing Australia.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: We have a principle in this country called the fair Guard.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: You have not been given the fair go this time.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: You've been given the bum's rush.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: But let's hope that.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: The Treasurer and Prime Minister can have their attention drawn
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: to this and fix it.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: We'll keep in touch. Thanks for joining us. Kate and Tom,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: thank you. Unbelievable, isn't it.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: We want her get out here, get out quick, don't
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: worry about permanent residence. He get out here quick. Oh
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: by the way, it's going to cost you about seventy
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: grand extra. Fix it up, please, Prime Minister, not for me,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: just for Australia and for Kate Edwards who wants to
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: be Australian.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Now, after the break, how I'm going to.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Have a catch up with an Australian Jewish mother get
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: her perspective on anti Semitism in this country as presented
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: to the Royal Commission. The Australian human rights lawyer who
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: narrowly escaped death at the Bondai massacre in December, has
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: taken his message to the United Nations Human Rights Council
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: in Geneva. Arsenovstrowsky told the Council anti Semitism was a
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: warning sign about greater threats against the society, and I
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: warn you there are some distressing images here.
• 23:05
  Speaker 13: I was at the festival with my family but was
• 23:08
  Speaker 13: shot in the head when I ran towards them. I
• 23:11
  Speaker 13: speak before you today, though not seeking sympathy, but sounding
• 23:15
  Speaker 13: a warning that hatred directed adjurs, when ignored, excused or mainstream,
• 23:21
  Speaker 13: inevitably leads to violence. Mister President Excellency's bond Aid did
• 23:26
  Speaker 13: not occur in a vacuum. It was a built chant
• 23:29
  Speaker 13: by chant and march by march. For two years, repeated
• 23:33
  Speaker 13: warnings by the Jewish community went largely unheeded.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, the Royal Commission into Bondai and Anti Semitism in
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Australia has been swamped by more than.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Twenty thousand submission.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Mine is among them, and thank you to many of
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: you who have you sent me your submissions, and I
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: want to share an insight into one of them. It's
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: by Amber Rubinstein, who I know through her husband Paul,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: a Jewish community leader who's been on this program before.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Amber's submission really struck me because of how it outlines
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: the challenge for our country but also shares the torment
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: of being a Jewish mother of four in Australia and
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: having to deal with this hatred even in this country
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: since the October the seventh atrocities in Israel. Amber Rubinstein
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: joined me earlier and I started on that topic.
• 24:23
  Speaker 14: Yes, well, I think in my submission I called that
• 24:27
  Speaker 14: section where I talk about our personal experiences. I chose
• 24:31
  Speaker 14: one or two per child when the abnormal becomes normal,
• 24:37
  Speaker 14: And what has happened is the kids don't really know
• 24:43
  Speaker 14: a life other than with security cards and all these
• 24:49
  Speaker 14: things that are now commonplace that weren't there before.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Jokes about gas chambers.
• 24:56
  Speaker 14: Yes, I think that ba that's a normalized thing, which
• 25:02
  Speaker 14: I didn't really know before on TikTok. It's just one
• 25:06
  Speaker 14: of those things. And my son actually wasn't really upset
• 25:09
  Speaker 14: about it, and I didn't really feel anything about. I
• 25:15
  Speaker 14: think it was the malice of the child, just the
• 25:17
  Speaker 14: normalization of it, which was really striking.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: You also mentioned have one of your younger children asked
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: questions about security, concrete barriers outside school and the lightning and.
• 25:29
  Speaker 14: So I think the way I described it in my
• 25:33
  Speaker 14: submission is there's a whole lot of calculations that you
• 25:39
  Speaker 14: make and it's kind of a self editing of your identity.
• 25:46
  Speaker 14: So he would come home and say, oh, can I
• 25:49
  Speaker 14: wear that camp t shirt that has Hebrew riding on it?
• 25:52
  Speaker 14: Can I wear this to the concert we're going to tonight?
• 25:55
  Speaker 14: I said, of course, darling, But in his mind he
• 25:59
  Speaker 14: had to think about if that was safe for him
• 26:01
  Speaker 14: to do.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Because your daughter's been challenged in the street for wearing
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: a Star of David.
• 26:06
  Speaker 14: That's true.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Tell us about that.
• 26:09
  Speaker 14: She was meeting some friends in the city and she
• 26:11
  Speaker 14: has actually quite a small mug anda be the Star
• 26:14
  Speaker 14: of David that she wears on her neck. And this
• 26:17
  Speaker 14: gentleman in he's not such a gentleman and guy in
• 26:20
  Speaker 14: his twenties basically shout out free Palestine to her. And
• 26:26
  Speaker 14: I don't think that it's fair that a thirteen year
• 26:31
  Speaker 14: old should really have to defend her identity or discuss
• 26:35
  Speaker 14: a political view or a war on the other side
• 26:39
  Speaker 14: of the world. That shouldn't be her job.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: And they've lived this all Australian Jewish kids have lived
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: this since October the seventh. But then, of course down
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: the road in your neighborhood, you've had the Bondai massacre.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: How is that impacted on your family and others well?
• 26:57
  Speaker 14: As a lot of people have said, none of us
• 26:59
  Speaker 14: was really surprised that it happened. Shocked, but not surprised.
• 27:04
  Speaker 14: And the culmination of that, it just shows you how
• 27:10
  Speaker 14: dangerous it can and could be. Yeah, I mean we
• 27:15
  Speaker 14: had friends that were shot, We knew people who had
• 27:18
  Speaker 14: passed away, so huge trauma in the community, as everybody knows,
• 27:23
  Speaker 14: and it's ongoing.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Yes, I was intrigued also when you talk about your
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: family background, that your mother wouldn't let you use the
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: word hate.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: She had a.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: D word hate and you didn't quite understand that as
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: a young person.
• 27:39
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I thought it was a bit excessive. Yes, so
• 27:43
  Speaker 14: it was for all intensive purposes. The word was banned.
• 27:48
  Speaker 14: We were allowed to dislike intensely and really my mum
• 27:55
  Speaker 14: wasn't just teaching us about manners. She was teaching us
• 27:58
  Speaker 14: that hate can lead to dark places and you can't
• 28:02
  Speaker 14: control where that might go, and words have meaning and
• 28:07
  Speaker 14: actions can kind of follow.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: And you see that more clearly now I do. Sadly.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: I want to talk about your big picture oversight. I
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: suppose of the challenge for the nation that you talk
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: about in your submission, you say that this is a
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: democratic problem, that we will remain a society capable of
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: balancing liberty and responsibility, diversity with cohesion, and disagreement with
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: mutual respect.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Can we do that as a country? Are you pessimistic
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: about that?
• 28:34
  Speaker 14: Or people often ask me if I'm hopeful, and I
• 28:38
  Speaker 14: can't quite say hopeful. But I haven't lost hope. I
• 28:41
  Speaker 14: believe in Australia, in the nation that we are, in
• 28:46
  Speaker 14: the amazing people that we have in this nation, in
• 28:50
  Speaker 14: the values that we have. But I think it's been
• 28:53
  Speaker 14: lost on the way, that balance of being self critical
• 29:00
  Speaker 14: and also being proud of our achievements, and without actually
• 29:07
  Speaker 14: teaching our children in the future the values that we hold,
• 29:11
  Speaker 14: how are they supposed to uphold and protect them?
• 29:13
  Speaker 13: Now?
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: I spoke to Stephen Loweer the other night and he
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: said he feels safer in war torn Israel these days
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: than Australia. I know you've been to Israel recently. What's
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: your thoughts on that perspective.
• 29:26
  Speaker 14: It really is an interesting thing. When you're in Israel
• 29:29
  Speaker 14: and obviously the threats are real, you feel this sense
• 29:33
  Speaker 14: of safety. I was actually speaking to a friend of
• 29:35
  Speaker 14: mine today and she said her daughter, who has never
• 29:40
  Speaker 14: been through anything personally, but she said, going to Israel,
• 29:46
  Speaker 14: even though there is the possibility of war, she feels
• 29:50
  Speaker 14: so incredibly comfortable that she doesn't feel that anyone hates
• 29:55
  Speaker 14: her there.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: I've lost that here in Australia. It is tragic. Thanks
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: for sharing your perspective on a Lamber. I hope the
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Rawal Commissioner gets to read it among the twenty thousand
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: other submissions.
• 30:05
  Speaker 14: Thank you so much for having me. Chris appreciate it.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Amber Rubinstein there.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: You can read an edited version of her submission in
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: the Weekend Australian this weekend I recommended highly. It's a
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: really powerful and insightful peace. Now we're going to take
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: a break. On the other side, we'll catch up with
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Robbo on sport as the World Cup, of course, gets to.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: The business end.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's catch up as we do on a Thursday
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: with sports broadcaster and writer of Mark Robinson. Robbo, thanks
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: for joining us. Let's start with the soccer. It's going
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: to be a big one early Saturday morning.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Are you getting up for it? Chris?
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: I might?
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I might. I'll see what my boys do.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: If they wake up early enough, they'll probably drag me out.
• 30:49
  Speaker 15: If now, if they're away in Australia scores, I reckon,
• 30:51
  Speaker 15: you'll be up anyway. So they're playing Egypt four am.
• 30:57
  Speaker 15: It's down at thirty two. The winner goes to the
• 30:59
  Speaker 15: final sixteen. They'll be monumental effort, wouldn't it If the
• 31:02
  Speaker 15: Australians can go through.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: We say that every World Cup.
• 31:05
  Speaker 15: The further they go, just ride themselves into legacy for
• 31:11
  Speaker 15: the soccer rus But it's going to be tapa me
• 31:13
  Speaker 15: in Egypt. Even to get through the thirty two and
• 31:16
  Speaker 15: being a chance to get to the final sixty.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: They're a pretty good outfit.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Look, if my memory service we well, this is the
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: equivalent game we got to in two thousand and six
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Australia versus Italy. I remember going to a pub with
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: friends watching it at like two or three o'clock in
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: the morning and we did very well and then there's
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: a penalty right at the end and the Italians bundled
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: us out. So if we win this game, or is
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: that one further? That might have been one round further.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: So I think I think we have been this far before.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: But it would be a huge effort, wouldn't it.
• 31:49
  Speaker 15: Yeah, and it'd be again you've been away, but we've
• 31:52
  Speaker 15: spoken about this.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: What this World Cup's.
• 31:55
  Speaker 15: Doing for the sporting nation, which is Australia, is incredible.
• 32:00
  Speaker 15: We had a pretty solid Hiccup against the Americans and
• 32:04
  Speaker 15: they went through today.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: I watched a bit of that match.
• 32:07
  Speaker 15: They won two ill and down to ten men, so
• 32:09
  Speaker 15: there was a pretty good performance from them.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: But they're going to have to play better, so no excuses. Yeah.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: I was just talking to Alex, one of our producers
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: supporting his homeland England. They've got to play Mexico in
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Mexico at in Mexico City, at altitude.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: They got a tough ask, yeah, and then.
• 32:29
  Speaker 15: The Palms aren't playing fantastic. They just got by in
• 32:34
  Speaker 15: the last game. But could you imagine the noise, the
• 32:37
  Speaker 15: atmosphere of playing Mexico in Mexico.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well made I recoon this like Adelaide playing Collingwood
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: at the mc glade.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: And Adelaide's no cap.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: But to you now.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Let me get over my Aussie rules bias for a
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: moment and jump to the NRL, because before we speak
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: to you next week we will have the decider of
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: the state of Origin in Brisbane. It's a bloody tough
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: ass for the Blues to go up to Brisbane for
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: this decider.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Surely all the smart money is going to be on Queensland.
• 33:09
  Speaker 15: Oh yeah, but this is a state of origin made
• 33:11
  Speaker 15: upsetes happen all the time. I spoke to you a
• 33:13
  Speaker 15: couple of weeks ago about the I like that the
• 33:16
  Speaker 15: home game, the neutral game at the mcg ninety one
• 33:19
  Speaker 15: thousand and there evens up the competition. Yeah, but the Queenslanders,
• 33:23
  Speaker 15: we're just brilliant in that game. And I mean that
• 33:25
  Speaker 15: as a person who follows ragby.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: League but doesn't watch it religiously.
• 33:29
  Speaker 15: They just played with such flair an adventure and they
• 33:34
  Speaker 15: didn't have any answers in New South Wales.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: So they're going to make a correction. They've got a
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: game to think about what happened. They'll make a.
• 33:40
  Speaker 15: Correction, but it is it's going to be a tough ass.
• 33:42
  Speaker 15: But in Queensland and Queensland it's not impossible, but.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: It's a lot has to go right for you.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be a ripper. Now let's get
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: to the Aussie rules.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: And you know, I can't go past the story of
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Carlton because it just.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Keeps going on.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's extraordinary this there's six games in a
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: row that the standing coach, Josh Fraser, the former Collingwood ruckman,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: just doing brilliantly.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: And of course the cart and army that they get
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: out they make some noise. There's a lot of emotion
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: in this.
• 34:11
  Speaker 15: Yeah, there is, I mean, BOSSI you've got sacked and
• 34:14
  Speaker 15: Josh Fraser, assistant coaches.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Coming in one sense.
• 34:17
  Speaker 15: One sense, every game it rains is a question mate
• 34:21
  Speaker 15: about it's the same group of players, but why are
• 34:26
  Speaker 15: they playing better? Now you could do with thesis on this,
• 34:29
  Speaker 15: but a lot of it's got to be mindset about
• 34:32
  Speaker 15: how you are approaching the game. And when Josh Fraser
• 34:35
  Speaker 15: is considered to be a candidate to the senior coach,
• 34:39
  Speaker 15: you've got he's got to be a very very good
• 34:42
  Speaker 15: chance to get the job because his ability he's shown
• 34:46
  Speaker 15: in six weeks to free up the mind and get
• 34:50
  Speaker 15: confidence back into that group.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: And when I say.
• 34:52
  Speaker 15: Confidence is such a cliche word in sport, but having
• 34:55
  Speaker 15: belief in each other the game plan and running together, defending.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Together, that are attacking together, being there and.
• 35:01
  Speaker 15: Supporting each other, it just grows and grows. And he's
• 35:05
  Speaker 15: unlocked that and that's a very difficult thing to get
• 35:08
  Speaker 15: as a coach a team together as one, especially coming
• 35:13
  Speaker 15: from such.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: A load base that they were.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel sorry for Vossi because one of the
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: greatest champions the game's ever known.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: And people are going to say this proves that he
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: was the problem.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: But that's that's not necessarily so, because sometimes the change
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: is just what the group needs. It's like any major company,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: they often want to change their CEO every five to
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: eight years because you need to freshen up.
• 35:35
  Speaker 15: Yeah, and I think the players I've spoken a couple
• 35:37
  Speaker 15: of people about this.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: I think the players were just their head.
• 35:40
  Speaker 15: Was in not under Vossi and Bossy will talk about
• 35:43
  Speaker 15: it at length when he gets a good opportunity.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: But you know, people have Tommy, they were just there.
• 35:51
  Speaker 15: They were mentally tied up and they were doing a
• 35:55
  Speaker 15: lot of reviews and you know, VOSSI was stubborn in
• 35:59
  Speaker 15: the way the game should be played, and.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: He's got every right to do that.
• 36:03
  Speaker 15: But he has said a foundation for Josh Frazer to
• 36:07
  Speaker 15: come in and make some tweaks and open up the
• 36:09
  Speaker 15: mind a little bit. But it is it is always
• 36:12
  Speaker 15: an incredible, incredible look at a team that has been
• 36:16
  Speaker 15: struggling so badly and then suddenly comes out and wins
• 36:19
  Speaker 15: six and a row and a chance to.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Plan the top ten.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable stuff. Thanks for joining us, Robo.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: We didn't get to Lockey Neil, but he's going to
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: come back.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: To South Australia. That's where he belongs to see.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Everybody wants him.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I better get that what he reckoned.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Hry Next week we're going to talk about Locky Neil next.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, we'll see that next week. Good on your Robbie.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it. We're got to get to a break
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: on the other side. National Cabinet. There's so much to
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: talk about with Tim and Mark. Don't go away, okay.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: National Cabinet now with Tim Blair from The Daily Telegrapher,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Mark Nicholson from step Mats gdos. Gentlemen, there is plenty
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: of silliness afoot, but I know the way Mark will
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: see the latter's polling in this home state of Victoria,
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: with one Nation topping again, You'll see that as everything
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: being right in the world.
• 37:13
  Speaker 16: Mark, Mate, Finally we're going to get Victoria back.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Chris.
• 37:19
  Speaker 16: That's what's so exciting about it, Mate, I'm sick and
• 37:21
  Speaker 16: tired of this state being the national punchline and made
• 37:26
  Speaker 16: these polls. They're screaming out people are ready ready for
• 37:29
  Speaker 16: a bit of change. And I'm genuinely pumped up about
• 37:32
  Speaker 16: what one Nation are going to do down here in
• 37:34
  Speaker 16: Victoria because there's just so much appetite for it.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: And I do.
• 37:37
  Speaker 16: I love this state so much. I'm just so sick
• 37:39
  Speaker 16: of being the joke of the country. It's time for
• 37:41
  Speaker 16: some change.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, one Nation just ahead of Labor and
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: the Coalition, Tim, but it's pretty much and even run
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  Speaker 3: there sort of around twenty six percent each for those
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  Speaker 3: three major parties. And the thing is it could see
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  Speaker 3: Labor get re elected.
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  Speaker 1: Tim. And the other point is that if the Coalition
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: can't get.
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  Speaker 3: Ahead of Labor in the polls, that's a really bad
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  Speaker 3: indictment on them at the moment in Victoria.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 17: Absolutely, it's also an indictment I think of preferential voting
• 38:11
  Speaker 17: because we've got two parties here or a coalition of
• 38:14
  Speaker 17: parties versus Labor, and they've all done them best to
• 38:17
  Speaker 17: lose this election. They've all done as much as they
• 38:19
  Speaker 17: can to not deserve to win. Yet one of them
• 38:23
  Speaker 17: most likely will win. That's probably not a healthy arrangement.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: That is the great trategy of politics is there's always
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: a winner, and it always has to be a politician.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Here's what the opposition leader, Jess Wilson's got to say
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  Speaker 3: about it.
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  Speaker 18: I get that they're frustrated and we have a lot
• 38:39
  Speaker 18: of work to do to demonstrate that we have the plan,
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  Speaker 18: the solutions to make their lives better. Well, the only
• 38:44
  Speaker 18: way to change the government is to put a number
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  Speaker 18: one next Victorian liberalson Nationals. Anything else simply risks four
• 38:51
  Speaker 18: more years of justinto Allen and Labor.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I was in Melbourne last week, Mark, I caught
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: up with you there. I spoke to a lot of
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: people about One Nation, as I have done in the
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: in the South Australia and Western New South Wales as well.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: And almost to a person, the people who.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Are switching from the Coalition to One Nation want the
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Coalition and One Nation to work together. They want to
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: get rid of labor and they see that the right
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: of center parties should work together. But it's not so easy,
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: is it when it comes to preferences and the way
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  Speaker 3: it's all going to pan out.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 16: I don't even know how many seats there are in Victoria,
• 39:26
  Speaker 16: but I'm pretty sure one nation is going to win
• 39:28
  Speaker 16: one they need.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: It's all irrelevant about it. It's all good. I'm going
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: to be the premier. It's going to be fine. I've
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: asked Pauline. It's all fine. Don't worry.
• 39:42
  Speaker 16: All the seats are ours, all ours, It's all good,
• 39:44
  Speaker 16: don't Yeah.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: I'm in for you as premier as long as you
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: keep this commitment every every Thursday and give us an
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: update from the Premier suite. But it is amazing they're
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: talking about One Nation possibly for MC government in Victoria
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: and they don't have candidates. But I suppose there'll just
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: be a lot of Pauline Hanson posters everywhere.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: That'd be cool.
• 40:06
  Speaker 17: Like you know, I've always been people have always said
• 40:09
  Speaker 17: to me why I've always supported remaining part of the monarchy,
• 40:12
  Speaker 17: And it's not because I love the monarchy. It's because
• 40:16
  Speaker 17: the power that the monarchy has is power that we
• 40:18
  Speaker 17: in Australia don't give to our politicians. So if we
• 40:22
  Speaker 17: have posters or photographs or images of people in Parliament,
• 40:25
  Speaker 17: all the better, as long as they're not active politicians
• 40:28
  Speaker 17: trying to make things worse for ourselves, which is about
• 40:30
  Speaker 17: the entire political population of this state in Victoria.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: This is the number one lesson that is so true
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: that our political system has forgotten and most of our media,
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: and that is government is the problem. The way to
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: secure our future is less government, not more government, but
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: we seem to have lost that over the last decade
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: or so. And while we're on the politicians then, knowing
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: of course that they are focused on our best interests
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: twenty four to seven, they are up to last night
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: in camera, I'm wearing.
• 41:06
  Speaker 19: A fifteen dollar dress from the shop in Blimba.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: The bubble inside the camera, bubble, Tim, I bet you
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: wish you were there.
• 41:37
  Speaker 17: Oh, dear god, no, it's talking that we can't we
• 41:41
  Speaker 17: can't be too critical of the Midwinter Ball because it
• 41:43
  Speaker 17: does make a lot of money. Some five million dollars
• 41:45
  Speaker 17: or so has been generated from charity, so that's great.
• 41:49
  Speaker 17: On the other hand, it's bad enough we have politicians.
• 41:51
  Speaker 17: It's worse when they'redressed up like they look at these
• 41:54
  Speaker 17: people seriously. It's bad enough when they're dressed up as
• 41:57
  Speaker 17: though they're at the oscars, and when they wear words
• 42:01
  Speaker 17: on dresses that that should be banned as a look everywhere.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: That's not great.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Unless it says, you know, like Madra nine or something.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: But the thing is tim you know, this is the thing.
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  Speaker 3: It does raise a lot of money for charity. Great,
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: But you know, I don't know what came first to you.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Let's have a big night out a lot. Let's make
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: money for charity. They could easily run raise the money
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: for charity by baking scones or selling tickets to a raffle.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: To me, the charity is a cover for their big
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: incestuous shindig.
• 42:35
  Speaker 17: Absolutely, And they could also raise a lot more money
• 42:37
  Speaker 17: for charity if they let us have more of our
• 42:39
  Speaker 17: money in the first place, if they didn't tax us
• 42:41
  Speaker 17: so excessively, we'd have a bit more money to chuck
• 42:44
  Speaker 17: at the sole vers that the traffic lights of is
• 42:46
  Speaker 17: often so yeah, I take your point against that. We
• 42:50
  Speaker 17: do have the record of them raising money, but yeah,
• 42:52
  Speaker 17: it would be it'd be nicer if they just made
• 42:55
  Speaker 17: the avenue towards giving that money a little simpler and
• 42:57
  Speaker 17: without as much goofy clothes.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I confess I've been there a few times myself,
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: and I was talked into going last year, but Tim,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: sorry Mark, Pauline Hanson didn't go. I think that was
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: a wise move. It's not really her scene.
• 43:13
  Speaker 16: No, and she didn't go last night. But I do
• 43:16
  Speaker 16: have there's photographic evidence. James Ashleby pulled me in one
• 43:19
  Speaker 16: year to be Pauline's date to the mid Winter Ball,
• 43:22
  Speaker 16: and that's the only time I've gone. The biggest the
• 43:24
  Speaker 16: biggest victim here is the next day today. The way
• 43:28
  Speaker 16: these people drink at the Midwinter Ball.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: If you've been there, you've seen it yourself.
• 43:32
  Speaker 16: They're professionals, that's pretty much their job, I'm telling you,
• 43:37
  Speaker 16: But the next day they are they must be.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: They're so useless.
• 43:41
  Speaker 16: Like we could just donate the productivity that we would
• 43:45
  Speaker 16: have otherwise had if we didn't have it to charity,
• 43:47
  Speaker 16: and that would be worth five million dollars a year
• 43:49
  Speaker 16: rather than cumulatively.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: I hate to burst your bubble, but that's a regular
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Wednesday night in the sitting week on camera, mate.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Don't worry about that. Yeah.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Now, one of the fundraisers is an auction, and the
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: politicians put up stuff for auction, and the Prime Minister
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: generously offered to have a game of tennis with someone
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: who bid the highest, and the mortgage broke a bid
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: sixteen five hundred dollars to have a hit a tennis
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: with the PM.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say.
• 44:16
  Speaker 11: We wouldn't go and put that money in without doing
• 44:18
  Speaker 11: our research. We know that Anthony Albertiz he's one of
• 44:21
  Speaker 11: the best tennis players in camera, but we have quite
• 44:24
  Speaker 11: a few questions we want to ask him in regards
• 44:26
  Speaker 11: to the budget, and we felt like they went unheard,
• 44:30
  Speaker 11: so we want to bring them up. And what better
• 44:32
  Speaker 11: opportunity than on the tennis thought good old gave a racketball.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm tipping elbow.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: We'll just tax his forehand or something to make sure
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: he wins that one. Let's move on to Donald Trump. Amazingly,
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: he's used so the fuck. I can't believe this. He's
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: taken that two or three hundred million dollar new Air
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Force one from Qatar, and he's flown on at the
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: for the first time.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Here it is.
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: I'm excited about the Bruce Way, something nobody's ever seen
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: anything like it.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: We're very proud of this. The country is very proud.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Of it, very proud of taking a free jet from
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: another country.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Team. I just don't get it. I suppose the good
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: thing about it, those that we all know about it
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: is all open. There's no secrecy around it.
• 45:18
  Speaker 17: No secrecy, but it's You're exactly right. The United States,
• 45:22
  Speaker 17: you know, despite recent economic downturns, it's rich enough to
• 45:25
  Speaker 17: afford its own presidential jet. I think so you'd imagine
• 45:29
  Speaker 17: instead of being tied to also a problematic place like
• 45:32
  Speaker 17: Guitar against that, it's a nice, nice looking jet. It's
• 45:35
  Speaker 17: got a very beautiful paint scheme. So you know, always
• 45:38
  Speaker 17: it's always it's always good to find a positive Chris,
• 45:41
  Speaker 17: and I think we found one.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: It has nice paint, all right.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: I think Mark the President must have heard about Pauline
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Hanson's plane and wanted to Trumper.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
• 45:52
  Speaker 16: Everyone says paul Aine's just emulating Trump. Well, Trump had
• 45:55
  Speaker 16: to just come and burst our bubble land, Like have
• 45:58
  Speaker 16: you seen Pauline's Plaine It's time compared to that, it's enormous.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: That thing. But I think I agree with you, Chris.
• 46:06
  Speaker 16: It's like there's something about it that's a bit like,
• 46:08
  Speaker 16: oh that that seems a bit corrupt.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: But at least it's transparent.
• 46:12
  Speaker 16: With this one, at least we know, at least it's
• 46:14
  Speaker 16: out there and we can say that, you know, Hunter
• 46:16
  Speaker 16: Biden did stuff and we still don't know what he
• 46:18
  Speaker 16: really got up to.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Re Branda Devine, heyesan news in the entertainment industry with
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Victor Willis steying at the age of seventy four.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: He was the frontman of Village People. Ever.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Look, yeah, Victor Willis actually wrote that song, which is
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: a favorite of this gentleman's understanding.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: It's not understanding, Tim.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: I never get sick of this blog dancing away to
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: what was the gay anthem of the seventies, wasn't it?
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 47:06
  Speaker 17: And as it happens, apparently the lead singer, the fellow
• 47:10
  Speaker 17: who's unfortunately left us at seventy four, was the only
• 47:13
  Speaker 17: non gay member of the band, so you know it
• 47:15
  Speaker 17: was they had all the diversity cards ticked as well.
• 47:19
  Speaker 17: So yeah, farewell to a great a great seventies vocalist,
• 47:22
  Speaker 17: I guess.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: And just let me finish off on another bit of
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: American weirdness. This happened in Manhattan today. A couple climbed
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: the Empire State Building and he proposed her at.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: The top of a Look at the male female dressed
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: in black.
• 47:37
  Speaker 9: They had some flag they were waving when they were
• 47:40
  Speaker 9: up at the top, and he just proposed to her.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Pretty good stuff. Mark. I took my wife up a
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: mountain to propose to her.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: But I didn't get that far up the Empire State
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Building night.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Mate.
• 47:58
  Speaker 16: Imagine if that's the proposal, imagine what the wedding's going
• 48:01
  Speaker 16: to look like. You can't you can't reach better heights
• 48:04
  Speaker 16: than that, very cool King Kong.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Eat your heart out. Look at that. That is incredible stuff.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, gentlemen. Enjoy your weekend. Then we'll
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: catch up with you next week.
• 48:15
  Speaker 9: Jeez. Thanks man.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Got a little bit of time just to share some
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: of your feedback from last night. What I had to
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: say about this housing mess that the and easy labor
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: government has got us into, and this viewer comment, John says,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: this is just another sign of government mismanagement and no
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: hope for the future. Well, another viewer says they are
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: going to trap first home buyers in negative equity with
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: a five percent deposit scheme.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Just unbelievable. Yeah, that is a really big worry.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: And another viewer says they are so ignorant of the
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: basics of economics it is scary. That's exactly what Alexander
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Downa says as well. Thanks so much for joining me.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: It's been a busy week. There'll be plenty more next
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: week as well. I'll see you next week tomorrow night.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Caleb Bond at five and Up next to Jamie Forkredlin
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