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The Kenny Report | 1 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: This is The Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. Steve Price in for Chris again tonight.
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  Speaker 2: And we could today be talking about a September 11-style
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  Speaker 2: airliner attack. on the program if it wasn't for extreme
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  Speaker 2: bravery on board a fly Dubai flight headed for Tel Aviv.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing details. More on that to come later. It is
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  Speaker 2: October 1, which means changes to the way that we
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  Speaker 2: use credit and debit cards for everyday purchases after the
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  Speaker 2: RBA outlawed card payment fees. However, confusion seems to reign
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  Speaker 2: about how this will impact on prices. Sally Tindall from
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  Speaker 2: Canstar will walk us through all of that detail. And
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  Speaker 2: Kenny Regular, Alexander Downer, join us. He's in London with
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  Speaker 2: the latest on that bizarre foiled incident near an Air
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  Speaker 2: Force base that hosts US bomber aircraft, plus the American
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  Speaker 2: forces retreat from Iraq. I'll also have the latest in
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  Speaker 2: sport with Kenny Regular, Mark Robinson, as three-time Premiership winning
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  Speaker 2: Lions coach Chris Fagan pulls the plug on his career
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  Speaker 2: while going out on top. But as I said at
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  Speaker 2: the top today, brings a change to something, especially since COVID,
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  Speaker 2: that we have become addicted to. using debit or credit
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  Speaker 2: cards to tap and go, buying just about everything we
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  Speaker 2: purchased from petrol to coffee and groceries. A small minority
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  Speaker 2: of people still use cash, but we are all but
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  Speaker 2: a cashless society, which suits the banks, and most of
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  Speaker 2: us ignored the fact that each tap came with a
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  Speaker 2: small charge. Now, an inquiry by the independent RBA chose
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  Speaker 2: October 1 today as the date when those transaction charges
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  Speaker 2: were were no longer legally being able to be applied.
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  Speaker 2: On first blush, that seemed like a good thing for consumers.
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  Speaker 2: Government tried to sell it that way. And typically, that
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  Speaker 2: same government is now taking credit for saving you money,
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  Speaker 2: even though it was an RBA move. Now, here's the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, today, chirping away on social media
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  Speaker 2: about how he and his treasurer are saving you money.
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  Speaker 3: Every time you tap, those little surcharges add up. Right now,
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  Speaker 3: they're costing Aussies $ 1. 6 billion each and every year. But
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  Speaker 3: from today, they're banned, saving you money every time you tap.
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  Speaker 3: So whether you're at the supermarket paying bills or buying
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  Speaker 3: a cup of coffee, the price you see is the
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  Speaker 3: price you pay.
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  Speaker 2: Hang on, not so quick. Here's the opposition's James Patterson
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  Speaker 2: on the coffee question.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yesterday the Prime Minister promised that everybody's coffee was
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  Speaker 4: going to be cheaper today. So I encourage everyone who
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  Speaker 4: goes out to buy a coffee this morning to check,
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  Speaker 4: is it in fact cheaper? And if so, how much
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  Speaker 4: cheaper is it compared to what you paid for yesterday
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  Speaker 4: or the week before or the month before?
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't cheaper. It wasn't cheaper at all. Now, it's
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  Speaker 2: fair to make the point that a lot of smaller
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  Speaker 2: businesses do not pass on these transaction costs, but plenty
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  Speaker 2: of them do, a point that the Treasurer, Jim Chalmers,
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  Speaker 2: was very quick to make today.
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  Speaker 5: If small businesses put up their prices, they'll need to
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  Speaker 5: put that on the menu. Right now, I think something
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  Speaker 5: like 84% of businesses don't charge credit or debit surcharges.
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  Speaker 5: So we're talking about 16% of businesses. And if they
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  Speaker 5: put up their prices, they will have to justify it.
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  Speaker 2: Need a bit of fact-checking on Jim there. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure about those figures. So what's actually going to happen
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  Speaker 2: on the ground? Now, as I said, we'll talk with
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  Speaker 2: Sally Tindall from Canstar in a moment. But if you
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  Speaker 2: listen to hospitality figures, people who work in cafe, cafe owners,
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  Speaker 2: small business operators, you get a very different story. For example,
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  Speaker 2: here is Kazi Beach Greek, a Greek restaurant in Bondi,
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  Speaker 2: owner Peter Pappas on News 24 this morning.
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  Speaker 6: Here we are in the middle of an inflationary environment.
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  Speaker 6: Inflation is up, interest rates are up, energy costs are up,
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  Speaker 6: and now you've got to pay more for your coffee
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  Speaker 6: and your food. And this government seems to rejoice in
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  Speaker 6: such things as increasing the minimum wage. We'd love to
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  Speaker 6: pay people more, but every time we do that, you,
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  Speaker 6: the customer, pays more, we earn less, and people go
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  Speaker 6: out of business.
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  Speaker 2: Boy, it's going to be interesting to see what this
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  Speaker 2: all does to inflation. Now, clearly, that's the reality, a
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  Speaker 2: reality the Prime Minister in his cute TikTok post would
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  Speaker 2: have no clue about. He's never run a business. He's
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  Speaker 2: never had to rely on his own investment to pay
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  Speaker 2: a wage earner, never employed anyone out of his own
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  Speaker 2: pocket or paid payroll tax or paid penalty rates. And
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  Speaker 2: these days, he doesn't even pay for petrol. Now, reality
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  Speaker 2: and common sense rarely pierces the Canberra bubble, and that's
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  Speaker 2: the problem. I mean, I've never felt for so many
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  Speaker 2: people as I did this week after that latest interest
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  Speaker 2: rate rise. I've heard of people cancelling, for example, private
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  Speaker 2: health insurance to keep their heads above water. Eating out
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  Speaker 2: is shelved. No one's doing it. Streaming services cancelled. Public
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  Speaker 2: transport being used instead of the car because of the
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  Speaker 2: high cost of fuel. You can add rising power bills,
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  Speaker 2: crippling rates bills and, of course, surging insurance costs for
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  Speaker 2: the house and for the car. It's beyond tough and
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  Speaker 2: it's getting worse. Now, here is cafe owner Alex Daniel
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  Speaker 2: on the October 1 change.
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  Speaker 7: We've been looking at our pricing, looking at our competitors'
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  Speaker 7: pricing around the area and... With all the other cost increases,
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  Speaker 7: the price increase was inevitable anyway. So the price increase
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  Speaker 7: we will be doing will be larger than what.
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  Speaker 2: This surcharge is.
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  Speaker 7: It would usually be about 10 cents on a coffee,
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  Speaker 7: but our prices.
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  Speaker 2: Will go up a bit more than that. And I
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  Speaker 2: heard other operators today saying, well, you know, it goes
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  Speaker 2: up more than that because we round it up. And
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  Speaker 2: when you think about the increased costs of fuel and
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  Speaker 2: the delivery costs in diesel trucks to all of these
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  Speaker 2: little businesses, they're paying more for their raw product. So
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  Speaker 2: you put that on top of this. And, of course,
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  Speaker 2: their prices are going to go up. Someone said today that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, restaurants around the country are rewriting their menus.
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  Speaker 2: And the government's out there crowing today about how much
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  Speaker 2: better off you will be. We all know that is
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  Speaker 2: a fantasy. A cost of a morning coffee told us today,
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  Speaker 2: and you wonder the impact this will have, as I said,
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  Speaker 2: on inflation. Not good, I presume. But this is a
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  Speaker 2: real problem. And I don't think the government understand exactly
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  Speaker 2: what's happened here. More than 500. Let's bring in Dan
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  Speaker 2: Tehan here. More than 500 jobs have been saved at
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  Speaker 2: Rio Tinto today. That smelter in Tassie, that's after the
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  Speaker 2: state and federal governments announced $ 200 million of your tax money.
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  Speaker 2: We'll bail it out to keep it running. It's less
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  Speaker 2: than two months after, of course, a much bigger deal
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  Speaker 2: between the Commonwealth and the Minns administration to keep the
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  Speaker 2: Tomago aluminium plant open in New South Wales. That'll cost
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  Speaker 2: $ 2. 5 billion over 10 years. Here's the Prime Minister making
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  Speaker 2: the announcement in Tassie today.
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  Speaker 3: I want to lead a country that makes things here.
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  Speaker 3: The theme of our budget was reform and resilience. We
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  Speaker 3: need to ensure that in today's uncertain world, we be
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  Speaker 3: less dependent upon imports.
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  Speaker 2: Let's bring in Shadow Energy Minister Dan Tehan. So the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister says he wants to be a Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: that runs a country that makes things. I mean, does
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  Speaker 2: he really seriously think we believe this stuff?
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  Speaker 8: No, no. I mean, it's a complete and utter joke.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, what he's doing is he's giving money to
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  Speaker 9: Bell Bay so it can continue. Meanwhile, he's taking money
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  Speaker 9: from them using the safeguard mechanism, which is their ideological
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  Speaker 9: approach to try and reach net zero, which we're not
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  Speaker 9: going to get to by 2050. I mean, it is
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  Speaker 9: a money merry-go-round, which makes no sense.
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  Speaker 8: Whatsoever, Steve. The best thing he could do.
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  Speaker 9: is scrap net zero, scrap the safeguard mechanism and make
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  Speaker 9: sure that he puts downward pressure on energy prices. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: yesterday we saw the inflation figures out. 13% was the
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  Speaker 9: contribution that electricity is making to the latest inflation data.
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  Speaker 8: So when you get your next power bill, know that.
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  Speaker 9: Chris Bowen not only is causing that to go up,
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  Speaker 9: but he's also causing your mortgage to go up. What
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  Speaker 9: this government's approach to energy and the economy is, is
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  Speaker 9: beyond a joke, sadly, and Australians are paying the price.
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  Speaker 2: What he's also doing, Dan, is sandbagging the marginal seat
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  Speaker 2: of Bass, let's be honest.
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  Speaker 9: Well, there's that as well, because that's what he's literally
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  Speaker 9: been left to now, because of the sheer economic incompetence,
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  Speaker 9: because of the renewables-only pursuit that Cruz Bowen is making.
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  Speaker 8: You know, he knows that.
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  Speaker 9: They're in serious, serious political trouble now. I mean, we've
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  Speaker 9: seen it because the Prime Minister's popularity figures have gone
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  Speaker 9: through the floor and.
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  Speaker 8: Now they're out spending money like they always do.
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  Speaker 9: But the trouble is that's costing Australians because the more
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  Speaker 9: they spend, sadly, the more inflationary pressure there is and
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  Speaker 9: the more interest rates go up.
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  Speaker 8: And it's just doomed for failure, sadly.
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  Speaker 2: So the coalition, I saw Angus Taylor today, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you largely are in joint support of rescuing or helping
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  Speaker 2: to survive this Bell Bay aluminium plant. It's owned by
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  Speaker 2: Rio Tinto, one of the biggest companies in the world.
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  Speaker 2: How do both sides of politics convince Australian taxpayers that
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  Speaker 2: it's a good idea to be giving Rio Tinto.
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  Speaker 10: $ 200 million?
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  Speaker 9: Well, the only reason we can do it is because
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  Speaker 9: we need to be continuing to make aluminium in this
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  Speaker 9: country and because we've.
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  Speaker 8: Got a plan to make sure.
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  Speaker 9: that in the medium to longer term, they can stand
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  Speaker 9: on their own two feet and won't need bailing out.
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  Speaker 8: And the way you.
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  Speaker 9: Do that is provide affordable energy in this country.
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  Speaker 8: Aluminium smelters, as you know, Steve, and your.
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  Speaker 9: Viewers know, require affordable energy if they're going to be
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  Speaker 9: able to continue in this country. And that's why we're
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  Speaker 9: saying get rid of net zero, get rid of the
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  Speaker 9: safeguard mechanism, which is a tax on the 200 largest energy.
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  Speaker 8: Well, companies in.
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  Speaker 9: Australia, and most of them are in the heavy industry area,
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  Speaker 9: and make sure we're saying to the Australian energy regulator,
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  Speaker 9: focus on affordability, not on green ideology, and that's how
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  Speaker 9: we're going to get energy down in this country.
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  Speaker 8: And that's what we want to do, because.
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  Speaker 9: As we've seen at Bell Bay, we've seen at Wyala,
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  Speaker 9: we've seen at Tomago, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, the only reason.
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  Speaker 9: these facilities are alive now is because the government's got
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  Speaker 9: to bail them out. And at the same time they're
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  Speaker 9: bailing them out, as I've said, the government's taxing them
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  Speaker 9: for doing.
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  Speaker 8: What they do. It just makes no sense whatsoever.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit of a blue today between New South
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  Speaker 2: Wales Premier Chris Minns and the Prime Minister. He's taken
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  Speaker 2: a thinly veiled jab at excessive government spending, which of
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  Speaker 2: course is driving up inflation. Here's Chris Minns today.
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  Speaker 11: Look, I'd just say that I think every government has
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  Speaker 11: a responsibility to do what it can to take demand
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  Speaker 11: out of the economy. South Wales Treasurer and myself have
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  Speaker 11: said many times that we have heard the advice from
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  Speaker 11: the RBA over the last two years that we need
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  Speaker 11: to be careful with public funds.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's reasonably blunt, but I mean, you and I
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  Speaker 2: are in Victoria. You've got a Labor government in Victoria
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  Speaker 2: that just, you know, it's eight weeks out from an
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  Speaker 2: election and they're just spending money like drunken sailors.
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  Speaker 12: They are.
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  Speaker 9: They're putting new train stations in the middle of marginal
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  Speaker 9: seats to save the Premier. One of the greatest, most
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  Speaker 9: expensive pieces of pork barrelling that.
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  Speaker 8: You'll ever see.
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  Speaker 9: And next week, we're going to get another reminder of
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  Speaker 9: it because... Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and Chris Bowen are
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  Speaker 9: going to be going to Fiji and Tuvalu at the taxpayers'
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  Speaker 9: expense for some pre-cop meeting which isn't going to achieve anything.
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  Speaker 9: And that's $ 150 million of taxpayers' money.
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  Speaker 8: And I can tell you.
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  Speaker 9: If your mortgage went up this week, like many Australians did,
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  Speaker 9: when they see the Prime Minister and Chris Bowen jetting
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  Speaker 9: off to Fiji and Tuvalu next week, they're going to
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  Speaker 9: rightfully be really, really angry because if you want to
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  Speaker 9: pull government spending and constrain government spending, they should can
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  Speaker 9: that trip today because it is a complete and utter
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  Speaker 9: waste of money.
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  Speaker 2: Just before you go, 262,000 houses short of the government's target.
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  Speaker 2: You couldn't do much worse than that, could you? No,
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  Speaker 2: you couldn't.
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  Speaker 9: And Claire O'Neill, I can't wait to see how she
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  Speaker 9: tries to spin her way out of this because she's
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  Speaker 9: been there saying, oh, they're on target, they're on target,
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  Speaker 9: it's all going beautifully. Every statistic, every fact shows you
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  Speaker 9: it's not. And I just can't wait to see how
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  Speaker 9: she tries to spin her way out of this.
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  Speaker 8: The fact of the matter is.
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  Speaker 9: that everything that the Albanese Labor government is doing isn't
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  Speaker 9: working at the moment. And people are waking up to it.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, they're very, very good at the spin. And
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  Speaker 9: as you know, Anthony Albanese gets tutored by Dan Andrews
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  Speaker 9: to just get on camera and just say things and
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  Speaker 9: hope that people will believe it when everyone knows.
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  Speaker 8: That it's nonsense.
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  Speaker 9: And people are waking up to it, whether it's housing,
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  Speaker 9: whether it's energy, whether it's on inflation and interest rates.
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  Speaker 9: whether it's on they saying that they're doing wonders when
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  Speaker 9: it comes to government spending, everyone knows it's the complete opposite.
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  Speaker 8: People are waking up to it and they're getting caught out.
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  Speaker 9: And that's why I think the Prime Minister is in
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  Speaker 9: a world of pain at the moment. And for the
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  Speaker 9: first time, Steve, I think that he might retire and
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  Speaker 9: go before the next election because he is just absolutely
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  Speaker 9: toxic now out in the community. And as you were
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  Speaker 9: saying in your this, you know, taking away the surcharges,
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  Speaker 9: saying that this isn't going to have an impact. Well,
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  Speaker 9: I can tell you, when I bought my coffee this morning,
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  Speaker 9: when I spoke to the place where I went and
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  Speaker 9: got my sandwich for lunch, they're saying to me they've
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  Speaker 9: got no alternative but to put prices up.
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  Speaker 8: And in a cost of living.
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  Speaker 9: You know, circumstances, an inflationary circumstance, you know, they've gone
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  Speaker 9: and done this.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, everything they.
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  Speaker 9: Do just turns to custard and sadly Australians are paying
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  Speaker 9: the price.
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  Speaker 2: Good on you, Dan Tehan. I'll talk to you soon,
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  Speaker 2: Dan Tehan. They're talking about that issue of the credit
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  Speaker 2: card charges. I covered that immediately at the top of
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  Speaker 2: the program. But if you're just tuning in, card surcharges
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  Speaker 2: have now been banned, effective today, October 1, means many
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  Speaker 2: small businesses are now going to have to jack up
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  Speaker 2: their prices to pass the cost of the transactions on
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  Speaker 2: to consumers. Joining me for a deeper dive into what
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  Speaker 2: all this means, Sally Tindall, Director of CanStar Data Insights. Sally,
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  Speaker 2: the RBA pitched this change as a win for transparency,
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  Speaker 2: which I guess it is. But doesn't it just make
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  Speaker 2: small businesses now look like the bad guys? Because as
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  Speaker 2: Dan Tehan was just saying, they're going to all, not
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  Speaker 2: all of them, but many of them are going to
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  Speaker 2: have to put up their prices.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, this is incredibly tough for small businesses, that's for sure,
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  Speaker 13: because they're in a rock and a hard place. They
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  Speaker 13: have to either absorb the costs themselves or pass it
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  Speaker 13: through in higher prices. And it's a really good point
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  Speaker 13: about the fact that, you know, business owners, small business
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  Speaker 13: owners don't want to be, you know, hiking prices and
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  Speaker 13: then hiking them again and again. So we might see
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  Speaker 13: actually prices go up by a little bit more than
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  Speaker 13: the actual surcharge because they know that, you know, petrol
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  Speaker 13: costs are on the rise and they're going to have
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  Speaker 13: another wave of higher expenses down the line. So it
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  Speaker 13: will be tough times. Look, the RBA came through and
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  Speaker 13: capped the back-end fee known as the interchange fee. It
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  Speaker 13: goes from the payment system provider to the banks or
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  Speaker 13: the card issuers in a bid to make accepting electronic
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  Speaker 13: payments by card and more cost effective. But it also, again,
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  Speaker 13: requires the small business owners in many parts to do
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  Speaker 13: something about it. They've got to go back out there
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  Speaker 13: and shop around for a more competitive payment system provider,
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  Speaker 13: get new infrastructure in order to take card payments. We
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  Speaker 13: are piling on, you know, these administrative burdens and costs
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  Speaker 13: onto small businesses. It is problematic.
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  Speaker 2: Like you, I like to look at these issues in,
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  Speaker 2: you know, what's actually going to happen on the ground
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  Speaker 2: and how it impacts people directly. Most of us are
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  Speaker 2: so ingrained of this habit now, since COVID probably, of
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  Speaker 2: using tap and go. You'll go in and you'll tap
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  Speaker 2: for your petrol or a coffee or whatever, and most
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  Speaker 2: people will just suck up those price increases, which means
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  Speaker 2: that this is going to have yet again another impact
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  Speaker 2: on inflation, which is probably inevitably going to drive another
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  Speaker 2: interest rate rise.
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  Speaker 13: So the RBA says they're not as worried as perhaps
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  Speaker 13: you and I, because, you know, there's not a huge
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  Speaker 13: amount of businesses when it comes to volume of purchases
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  Speaker 13: that are actually surcharging. But that's because the big retailers, Woolies, Coles,
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  Speaker 13: they've got purchasing powers. The cost of accepting car payments
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  Speaker 13: for them is a lot lower than small businesses. and
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  Speaker 13: they didn't charge a surcharge beforehand. But if small businesses are,
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  Speaker 13: and look, this is no criticism to them, but if
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  Speaker 13: they're using this as a moment in time to increase
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  Speaker 13: their prices to account for the card surcharge payment, but
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  Speaker 13: then also the cost pressures that they're feeling elsewhere, I
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  Speaker 13: think that the RBA may not have accounted for that,
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  Speaker 13: that they might see a bigger spike in inflation than
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  Speaker 13: perhaps they had anticipated. I don't know that it'll trigger
• 18:03
  Speaker 13: yet another rate hike. I think that one's already coming.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably. I mean, the odds now are probably beginning
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: of next year, not November on Cup Day, but who knows?
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Might get one, we might get two. Let's talk about
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: interest rate rises because that decision, while it's bad news
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: for borrowers, I guess for older Australians, people who've got
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: money in fixed interest, it's some good news finally.
• 18:25
  Speaker 13: Oh, Steve, it is good news if, A, the banks
• 18:27
  Speaker 13: will tell us what they're doing with savings accounts. They haven't,
• 18:30
  Speaker 13: by and large, haven't told us yet. We know Westpac,
• 18:33
  Speaker 13: it was the only big four bank that actually announced
• 18:35
  Speaker 13: what it would do for some of its savings accounts,
• 18:38
  Speaker 13: not all.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: They've already told me what they're going to do with
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: my mortgage.
• 18:42
  Speaker 13: Mine's going up too.
• 18:43
  Speaker 10: I already got that letter today. That was fun.
• 18:46
  Speaker 13: But yes, for savers, technically, we should see an increase
• 18:49
  Speaker 13: to interest rates. But then it It comes down to
• 18:52
  Speaker 13: the details, Steve, because we analysed the last three rate
• 18:57
  Speaker 13: hikes from the RBA and what happened to savings accounts.
• 18:59
  Speaker 13: And with bonus saver accounts, that's where you have to
• 19:02
  Speaker 13: do certain things every month to qualify for the maximum
• 19:05
  Speaker 13: ongoing rate. What we see is that the banks come
• 19:08
  Speaker 13: through and they get very particular about what portion... of
• 19:11
  Speaker 13: the savings account rate is actually going to get that
• 19:14
  Speaker 13: hike and it's always the... Well, mostly the bonus rate.
• 19:18
  Speaker 13: So what we've seen in our data is that, yes,
• 19:21
  Speaker 13: the banks pass it on in full, sometimes even a
• 19:24
  Speaker 13: little bit more to the bonus portion... But the base
• 19:26
  Speaker 13: portion stays absolutely still, which means if you don't meet
• 19:30
  Speaker 13: those monthly conditions every single month, which is quite hard for, say,
• 19:33
  Speaker 13: a retiree to do because it's often to grow your balance,
• 19:36
  Speaker 13: things that, you know, they don't naturally have in their
• 19:39
  Speaker 13: kind of banking set up. If you don't meet those
• 19:41
  Speaker 13: bonus conditions, you could be getting no rate hike at all.
• 19:45
  Speaker 13: In fact, some of those base rates are down to, what, 0.001%.
• 19:50
  Speaker 14: 0.00%.
• 19:50
  Speaker 13: What a great savings rate that is.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Seems to me they get us both in. Sally, always
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: a pleasure to talk to you. Thank you. Sally Tindall there,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: and she had some great advice yesterday on the interest rates.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Go out and shop around. Ring your bank. See if
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: you can get a better deal. I want us to
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: talk more about this story that's developed since we went
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: to air yesterday. It's quite remarkable. I mean, if you
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: didn't know it was real, you'd think it was a film.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: The captain and passengers of a flight headed from Dubai
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: to Tel Aviv have been lauded as heroes after fending
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: off a suspected attempted, you can call it a hijack,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: or it could have been a suicide mission. It could
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: have been a terrorist who wanted to crash the plane,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: killing everybody on board. Here's a few more details from
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: our partners at CNN.
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: We are here on the plane right now.
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: We have taken control of the terrorists.
• 20:40
  Speaker 10: A scary close call for passengers and crew on flight
• 20:43
  Speaker 10: FC-1073 Wednesday morning. Flight tracking data shows the flight Dubai
• 20:48
  Speaker 10: plane dropped 17,400 feet in less than two minutes after
• 20:52
  Speaker 10: officials say a violent incident involving the two pilots sent
• 20:56
  Speaker 10: the plane into a rapid descent. It was headed from
• 20:58
  Speaker 10: Dubai to Tel Aviv. The passenger's daughter says her mother
• 21:02
  Speaker 10: described the plane suddenly diving.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: She said the airplane was kind of start jumping in
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: the air and then it started diving very quick to
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: the ground.
• 21:13
  Speaker 10: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says one of the pilots
• 21:16
  Speaker 10: stabbed the other pilot and appears to have tried to
• 21:19
  Speaker 10: crash the plane. And passengers and crew got into the
• 21:22
  Speaker 10: cockpit and subdued him.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Another team who were on the plane went into the
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: cockpit and managed to stabilize the plane.
• 21:33
  Speaker 10: The plane was diverted to Saudi Arabia, where it eventually
• 21:36
  Speaker 10: landed safely. The leading aviation operator said both pilots were
• 21:40
  Speaker 10: taken to a hospital with injuries. Israeli authorities are investigating,
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: but the motive has not been established. The incident received
• 21:47
  Speaker 10: swift reaction from around the world.
• 21:50
  Speaker 14: A lot of questions.
• 21:51
  Speaker 15: How did the passengers get into what is supposed to
• 21:54
  Speaker 15: be a blocked cockpit?
• 21:56
  Speaker 14: How did the weapon get into the cockpit?
• 22:00
  Speaker 10: Passengers of the diverted flight flew back to Tel Aviv
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: Wednesday afternoon after a new flight to Dubai plane was
• 22:06
  Speaker 10: sent to pick them up.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: President Trump talked to Bibi Netanyahu to get his version
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: of what had happened. The president was having a media
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: conference in the Oval Office. Here's how he described what
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: he thought had gone on.
• 22:20
  Speaker 16: And it seems as though the co-pilot was perhaps a
• 22:25
  Speaker 16: terrorist or perhaps a wet joke. He stabbed the pilot.
• 22:31
  Speaker 16: An Israeli plumber saw what was happening and strove. You know,
• 22:34
  Speaker 16: when you lift pipe all day, you strove. The plane
• 22:37
  Speaker 16: was going sharply down at an unbelievable angle, so sharp
• 22:40
  Speaker 16: that the rudder ripped off the back of the plane.
• 22:43
  Speaker 16: With the G-forces as they were, he ripped this guy
• 22:45
  Speaker 16: out of the seat, threw him back.
• 22:47
  Speaker 17: The crowd got him.
• 22:48
  Speaker 16: The passengers got him, grabbed him. And having never flown
• 22:54
  Speaker 16: a plane, he took the stick, lifted it up, and
• 23:00
  Speaker 16: leveled out the plane before it crashed.
• 23:02
  Speaker 17: And you know, it's not like planes are different today.
• 23:04
  Speaker 17: You used to have a little steering wheel. Today, they
• 23:07
  Speaker 17: fly differently.
• 23:08
  Speaker 16: And when asked why he did that, he said he
• 23:10
  Speaker 16: watches that show, Air Disasters.
• 23:14
  Speaker 17: He learned from watching that show.
• 23:16
  Speaker 16: I don't know if it's true, but that's the story
• 23:20
  Speaker 16: that I got from BB.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Well, since the president made those remarks, there has been
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: much more confirmation of the fact that Plummer did exactly
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: what the president was talking about. Greg Barton is the
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Global Islamic Politics Chair at Deakin University and joins us. Greg,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: so much could have gone wrong here if the pilot
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: himself had not flicked open the cockpit door. We know
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: that those doors are heavy steel and locked now since
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: September 11. You had the bravery of the passenger, the plumber.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: There was a reserve pilot on board. I mean, you
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: have to wonder how the co-pilot actually got a knife
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: on board. But this could have been a major terrorist attack, surely.
• 23:59
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I think we have to start with that, Steve.
• 24:01
  Speaker 12: In a world that is full of bad news, things
• 24:04
  Speaker 12: turning into custard, this is a good news story. This
• 24:06
  Speaker 12: is a story of heroism. That captain, the first pilot...
• 24:11
  Speaker 12: had a switch beside his seat. He was bleeding potentially
• 24:15
  Speaker 12: to death. He was saved by a medic when he
• 24:17
  Speaker 12: was rescued back in the cabin. But as he was
• 24:21
  Speaker 12: perhaps on the point of passing out, he pushed the
• 24:23
  Speaker 12: button to open the door. Had he not done that,
• 24:26
  Speaker 12: it would have all been over. There would have been
• 24:27
  Speaker 12: no way for anyone to get inside that reinforced door.
• 24:30
  Speaker 12: So that was the first thing. And then we saw
• 24:32
  Speaker 12: that brave plumber come forward, not stopping to think. This aircraft, Stephen,
• 24:36
  Speaker 12: in less than a minute dropped five kilometres vertically, 5,000 metres.
• 24:41
  Speaker 12: So just to be able to move forward in that
• 24:43
  Speaker 12: situation is amazing.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, the dive, the death dive of that plane,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: everyone on board must have been absolutely terrified. But this
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: guy obviously... took it upon himself, does lead the question
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: to whether hidden somewhere else on a plane these days
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: there should be some way to get into that cockpit
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: when you think about what would have happened if that
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: bloke had not been able to flick that switch. That
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: flight route, Greg, I mean, you know this region as
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: well as anyone, Dubai to Tel Aviv, it's risky, but
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I was of the impression that Israel was always very
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: security conscious on flights into and out of Israel. There
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: was a spare pilot on board, I seem to think
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: I heard that there might have been some security on
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: there as well. But the Israelis are very conscious of
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: this sort of thing potentially happening, aren't.
• 25:32
  Speaker 18: They?
• 25:32
  Speaker 12: Yeah, they're really good at security. So something has gone
• 25:35
  Speaker 12: wrong here. It wasn't their aircraft. It was an Emirati aircraft.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Air Dubai.
• 25:40
  Speaker 12: But they would have, you know, Air Dubai would have
• 25:42
  Speaker 12: vetted the pilot, the captain and the first officer. So how,
• 25:49
  Speaker 12: you know, whatever happened with that aircraft First officer, the
• 25:53
  Speaker 12: alleged attacker, we don't know whether it was political violence,
• 25:56
  Speaker 12: something snapped that tipped him over the edge or mental
• 26:00
  Speaker 12: health issues. But that clearly hadn't shown up on pre-flight
• 26:04
  Speaker 12: vetting and through his career, which must have been going on.
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: So that's the big question.
• 26:10
  Speaker 12: I mean, you can make the cockpit secure, but if
• 26:12
  Speaker 12: something goes wrong inside the cockpit between the two pilots,
• 26:14
  Speaker 12: how do you fix that? You know, just your question
• 26:16
  Speaker 12: of opening the door, there were two off-duty pilots who
• 26:20
  Speaker 12: managed to land the aircraft safely, Air Dubai pilots. There
• 26:23
  Speaker 12: is a code that they would know that they can
• 26:25
  Speaker 12: get into the door, but, you know, getting there in
• 26:26
  Speaker 12: time as the aircraft is dropping, as I said, five
• 26:29
  Speaker 12: kilometres in a minute, I mean, if it wasn't for
• 26:33
  Speaker 12: the captain pushing the button, it's very likely that whole,
• 26:35
  Speaker 12: you know, 174 lives would have been lost.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: And if that had happened, I mean, we'd obviously have
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: to have some sort of investigation into the motivation. The
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: security agencies would become involved. But it would have been,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: if it was attached to one of the enemies of Israel,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: whether it's Hezbollah or whether it was Hamas or whether
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: it was someone in around, you know, all of the above,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: it would have been a massive PR coup for whoever
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: this guy might or might not have been representing.
• 27:06
  Speaker 11: That's right.
• 27:06
  Speaker 12: So the speculation is if it involves a nation state,
• 27:11
  Speaker 12: that at one level it would be Iran, you know,
• 27:13
  Speaker 12: whether through channels or directly. But, of course, we don't
• 27:16
  Speaker 12: know what the motivation is. The fact that the first
• 27:19
  Speaker 12: officer is alive, you know, has been wounded, of course,
• 27:22
  Speaker 12: in the fight, but he's alive so he can answer questions, that's.
• 27:25
  Speaker 17: A good thing.
• 27:26
  Speaker 12: His electronic online footprint, his social media posts will be checked.
• 27:31
  Speaker 12: If there's some sort of manifesto, a statement of extremism,
• 27:34
  Speaker 12: that would suggest terrorism. you know, possibly including another state
• 27:38
  Speaker 12: like Iran. It's also possible that this is a mental
• 27:42
  Speaker 12: health episode. We had a flight on a budget airline
• 27:45
  Speaker 12: in Europe, German wings, where tragically the co-pilot locked the
• 27:52
  Speaker 12: pilot out of the, the captain out of the cockpit,
• 27:54
  Speaker 12: locked the door and then crashed the aircraft into a mountain.
• 27:57
  Speaker 12: That was suicide, but it was mass murder as well.
• 28:00
  Speaker 12: That could be what's happened here.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Greg Barton, always good to catch up. Thanks a lot.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I'll talk to you soon. Now, coming up after the break,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: another development talking about supposed terrorism, that bomb plot at
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: the UK airbase in the UK. Prime Minister Andy Burnham's
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: now weighed in on it. That and more with Kenny Regula,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer. Welcome back. Steve Price in
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: for Chris Kenny. Let's return to this mysterious plot outside
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: a RAF base in southwest England that we've reported on
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: right through the week. Now, if this is the first
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: time you're hearing about it, police were called out to
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: RAF Fairford on Sunday after five men in white vans
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: were spotted by a local farmer on her way home
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: from dinner. They were all acting suspiciously. She rang the police.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: It led to a bomb scare, arrests, fears of foreign
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: interference and But the men were later released, quickly released,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: within 24 hours on bail, and it emerged one of
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: them might have even called the police on himself. No-one
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: seems to really know what's gone on here. The Prime
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Minister of the UK, Andy Burnham, has now weighed in.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to what he had to say.
• 29:09
  Speaker 12: There are strong indications that Iran played a part in
• 29:13
  Speaker 12: what happened over the weekend at RAF Fairford.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: He's tagged Iran. The US President, Donald Trump, he had
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: a media conference in the Oval Office this morning. He
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: also talked about that event.
• 29:25
  Speaker 16: Maybe you blow them up. We have to make that decision.
• 29:30
  Speaker 16: We blow them up, make a deal, but the time
• 29:34
  Speaker 16: is coming. It's going to end very soon one way
• 29:36
  Speaker 16: or the other.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: He, of course, he was talking about Iran. We've heard
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: that plenty of times. Let's bring in former Foreign Minister
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Alexander Downer, who fortuitously is in London. All very strange
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: what happened at that airbase, the reaction to the UK.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: What was the reaction there when these blokes all immediately
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: got bailed?
• 29:57
  Speaker 14: I've only just.
• 29:58
  Speaker 19: Arrived in the UK, so I haven't even been here
• 30:02
  Speaker 19: for 24 hours.
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: So, I.
• 30:04
  Speaker 19: Mean, I think there is just complete confusion about what
• 30:08
  Speaker 19: may have happened here. So let's just focus on the speculation.
• 30:14
  Speaker 19: The speculation is that the Iranians may have paid these
• 30:18
  Speaker 19: five people to institute a disruptive operation. So whereas once
• 30:27
  Speaker 19: it was thought the ban they had had explosives and petrol.
• 30:31
  Speaker 14: In it, all it had was petrol. There were no explosives.
• 30:36
  Speaker 19: And as you said in your introduction, one of the
• 30:41
  Speaker 19: five apparently rang the emergency services people to report the operation.
• 30:48
  Speaker 14: So it does look on the face of it.
• 30:53
  Speaker 19: As though the Iranians paid these five people, who are
• 30:57
  Speaker 19: just sort of common old garden British criminals, to disrupt
• 31:03
  Speaker 19: the air base as best they could and create a
• 31:06
  Speaker 19: huge news story out of it, which they have successfully done.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Well, we shouldn't be surprised by that, should we? Because
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: the IRGC have done exactly the same thing in Australia,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: hiring local criminals to go out and firebomb synagogues, which
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: led to the Iranian ambassador being expelled from the country.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: So this sort of operation is not something that they're
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: not willing to do in other countries, not use their
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: own people, but hire people to do it.
• 31:38
  Speaker 14: Well, that's exactly right, Stephen.
• 31:40
  Speaker 19: You draw the analogy with what happened in Australia and
• 31:44
  Speaker 19: the expulsion of the Iranian ambassador. The fact is the
• 31:49
  Speaker 19: Iranians have been behaving like this for years, for a
• 31:54
  Speaker 19: very long time, which just goes to this whole question
• 31:58
  Speaker 19: of the war against Iran.
• 32:00
  Speaker 14: I mean, since 1979, the Iranian regime, the theocratically.
• 32:06
  Speaker 19: Theocratic dictatorship there, has been waging war against the West.
• 32:13
  Speaker 14: We have to understand that.
• 32:15
  Speaker 19: I mean, I notice people thinking here of the Israelis
• 32:21
  Speaker 19: demanding that Netanyahu agree to a two-state solution. Well, that's
• 32:27
  Speaker 19: not going to happen until the Iranians agree to a
• 32:30
  Speaker 19: two-state solution, and the Iranians under this present regime never will.
• 32:35
  Speaker 19: So you have a huge problem with the IRGC, the
• 32:39
  Speaker 19: people who run Iran, and this incident at RAF Fairford
• 32:44
  Speaker 19: is just a small example of what these people get
• 32:48
  Speaker 19: up to.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: You fly around the world just about more than anybody
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I know. When you read and hear and watch about
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: that event on that fly Dubai aircraft out of Dubai
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: headed for Tel Aviv, you just must shake your head
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: and think, oh, my God. I mean, the hero plumber
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: that got through that door and grabbed that bloke and
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: got him out of the cockpit and then somehow decided
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: he knew how to fly a plane, that's something that
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: is almost unbelievable.
• 33:17
  Speaker 19: I flew out of Dubai not an hour or so
• 33:20
  Speaker 19: before that particular plane flew out of Dubai.
• 33:24
  Speaker 14: I was on an Emirates flight.
• 33:26
  Speaker 19: I'm fatalistic about my own safety on planes.
• 33:31
  Speaker 14: But you're right.
• 33:32
  Speaker 19: What was a miracle was that the captain of the
• 33:36
  Speaker 19: plane was able to undo the cockpit door. And so
• 33:43
  Speaker 19: people were able to get in there and the plumber
• 33:46
  Speaker 19: going in there and resting with the co-pilot. God was
• 33:52
  Speaker 19: definitely on the side of those people on that plane.
• 33:56
  Speaker 19: And Greg Barton, in your earlier interview, summarised my own
• 34:02
  Speaker 19: thinking about it.
• 34:03
  Speaker 14: We don't really.
• 34:04
  Speaker 19: Know what the co-pilot was up to, whether he's a jihadist,
• 34:10
  Speaker 19: whether he's paid by the Iranians, whether he's somebody with
• 34:14
  Speaker 19: a mental health problem.
• 34:16
  Speaker 14: We don't know.
• 34:16
  Speaker 19: The answer to that. But the Israelis have now got
• 34:20
  Speaker 19: him and they're interviewing him. No doubt in the style
• 34:25
  Speaker 19: that only the Israelis know how.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Just briefly, the extraction of the American troops out of Iraq,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: a lot better than what happened when they went out
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: of Afghanistan, when we remember that massive American supply plane
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: with people hanging off the wings.
• 34:43
  Speaker 19: Yes, this has been, of course, a smaller operation than
• 34:47
  Speaker 19: the Iraq attack. we couldn't claim it's perfectly stable, but
• 34:53
  Speaker 19: it's a reasonably stable, a reasonably prosperous country now. And
• 35:00
  Speaker 19: it's not very democratic, but it is at least somewhat democratic.
• 35:05
  Speaker 19: So the Americans, I guess, don't feel they need the
• 35:09
  Speaker 19: presence there anymore.
• 35:11
  Speaker 14: Well, Afghanistan was a completely different thing.
• 35:14
  Speaker 19: And The Afghan people were under siege from the Taliban.
• 35:19
  Speaker 14: Very few people supported the Taliban.
• 35:22
  Speaker 19: And President Biden decided just to evacuate the country.
• 35:28
  Speaker 14: It was a terrible thing to do.
• 35:31
  Speaker 19: And it demonstrated to people like the Iranians, the Chinese
• 35:36
  Speaker 19: and the Russians that that America and the West is weak,
• 35:40
  Speaker 19: that we can't stay the course. We talk the book
• 35:43
  Speaker 19: on democracy and freedom, but we never implement our plans.
• 35:48
  Speaker 19: That was the message that that sent. So this withdrawal
• 35:52
  Speaker 19: from Iraq is a completely different proposition.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well said. Alexander Downer, good to catch up. Thank
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: you very much for joining us tonight all the way
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: from London. Coming up after the break, we'll have the
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: latest from the world of sport. Robbo will be with us,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: including news that three-time Brisbane Lions premiership coach, the great
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Chris Fagan, is about to debat the club. Welcome back.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Huge news in the AFL this afternoon. We're in three-time
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: premiership coach of the Brisbane Lions, the great Chris Fagan,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: decided to step down. He won't coach next year. Let's
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: bring in Mark Robinson. Robbo, I'm cranky. I've got a
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: bone to pick.
• 36:35
  Speaker 17: I'm far away, Steve.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: He's let old men down. All of us old guys
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: who are still working, what's he doing?
• 36:45
  Speaker 17: As you know, it's all consuming. working at our age,
• 36:48
  Speaker 17: and that's why I stopped.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: But to be an AFL coach is just tremendous. Chris
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Fagan has been a revelation in so many ways.
• 36:57
  Speaker 17: The history books in.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: 50 years will tell the story that Chris Fagan from
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Brisbane won three premierships in a row, but it won't
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: go anywhere near telling.
• 37:06
  Speaker 17: The story of what this man has accomplished.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's a greater coaching performance than taking
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: a team on the bottom of the ladder to a
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: premiership then to another one, and then to another one, Steve,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: he will be a Hall of Fame coach, but he's
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame person. I don't think there's a
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: person in football, supporter, other clubs who don't admire and
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: respect what this man has done. It's just been a
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: terrific story.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Put yourself into reverse. You had this incredible career covering footy.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: When he was appointed, did you write an opinion piece
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: or not saying, what are we doing appointing a bloke
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: who's not played at the top level? Can you remember?
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think I would be that disrespectful. And I
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: can't remember ever riding that. But it was a surprise
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: appointment because you know what the world's like, mate. They're
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: like sheep, you know. People form an opinion by licking
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: their finger and putting it in the air and say, oh,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I'll go with the windblows. But Brisbane went against the
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: norm and appointed this bloke who'd been at Melbourne, Hawthorne,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: beside Alistair Clarkson.
• 38:20
  Speaker 17: And I think there were doubts, but it just goes
• 38:24
  Speaker 17: to show... There's nothing certain in sport.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: You take a punt and it works out.
• 38:32
  Speaker 17: He.
• 38:33
  Speaker 14: He.
• 38:35
  Speaker 17: You talk about age, Steve. You talk about age.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: The trend now is to go younger coaches or first-time coaches.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: McVeigh at Essendon, Josh Fraser, North Melbourne, maybe looking at
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: a first-time coach.
• 38:46
  Speaker 17: In the meantime....
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Chris Fagan at 65 has just taken to a team
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: to three in a row. And people talk about having
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: old people have a disconnect with young people.
• 38:56
  Speaker 17: What rubbish? What rubbish is that? So I'm really happy
• 39:02
  Speaker 17: for him.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: And as I said, I think everyone in football would
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: stand and applaud if they could at the Brisbane Festival
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: first and say, thank you for what you've done for
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: football and go and have a great retirement.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: I respect your opinion greatly. I've got a job for Faggs.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: He's going to come back to Melbourne. I reckon they
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: should put him on the AFL commission and make him
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: the state of origin, Victorian state of origin coach.
• 39:28
  Speaker 17: Oh, well, I don't know. make it the Victorian state
• 39:31
  Speaker 17: of origin coach. He is from Tasmania.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: But what wise words they are about putting him on
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: the commission. They tried to do that with Lee Matthews
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and Lee finally said no,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: he wanted to stay in football. And everyone thinks that
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: the commission is so far removed from the general populace
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: that a man like Chris Fagan would be, I think, perfect.
• 39:54
  Speaker 17: It's a great idea.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Write a column, Steve, and put it where you put
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: your columns these days.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: You and I both like great games of rugby league.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: I don't like that they also run games of rugby league.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: State of Origin's always fantastic. That game that the Knights
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: turned on last weekend to make their first grand final
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: in 25 years was extraordinary. I mean, the injury obviously
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: cruelled the feeling amongst the game, but can they win
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: their first premiership for a quarter of a century?
• 40:23
  Speaker 17: I love it how you.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: And Chris talk about the brightness of sport in this
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: rubbish world that we live in at the moment. And
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: I watched that game and it was a fantastic sporting event.
• 40:33
  Speaker 17: Cleary's injury, which we'll go into later. Can they do it?
• 40:37
  Speaker 17: Who knows? But I tell you what I reckon happens
• 40:40
  Speaker 17: in sport.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: You need attitude one, talent two, and tactics three. The
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Knights have got a tremendous attitude. I'm not saying the
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Roosters haven't, but the Roosters have probably got more talent.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: But when it comes to big games like this, attitudes
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: in Portman and the whole country, other than the Roosters supporters,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: will be barracking for the younger dogs from Newcastle.
• 41:02
  Speaker 17: Where are you going to be? Who are you going
• 41:03
  Speaker 17: to be barracking for?
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, Newcastle, no doubt. Just quickly before you go,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Nathan Cleary, what a class act he is. We're talking
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: about what a class act Fagan is. How about that
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: young boy Cleary?
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Well, it was a terrible event on the weekend and,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Everyone who follows rugby league, and especially down here in Victoria,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: they know Ivan Cleary. He's been one of the best,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: if not the best in the game for four or
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: five years. And for him to be crowned after suffering
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: just an horrific leg injury, for him to be crowned
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: the Deleon winner is just testament.
• 41:37
  Speaker 17: You know, they didn't win on the weekend.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: But it's like, hey, in this bad spot you are,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: you are rewarded with being the best player in the competition.
• 41:47
  Speaker 17: It was a really good deli, and Cleary's a very,
• 41:50
  Speaker 17: very worthy winner.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Well, it was good to see you, my friend. Talk
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: to you soon, Mark Robbo-Robinson there. After the break, the
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: US Secretary of War, Pete Hesketh, you can't miss this.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: He's turned heads with his latest anti-woke speech that me
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: and my panel are going to pick apart after this.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Welcome back. Great to have you with us. I'm joined
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: by our panel, Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson, the duo,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: the great duo on The Chris Kenny Show. Now, thank
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: God you two are on the panel tonight. Only you
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: pair could I get to react to US Minister for War,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Pete Hesketh. Have a look at what he said at
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: a training camp today.
• 42:35
  Speaker 18: We are no longer the woke department or the weak department.
• 42:40
  Speaker 18: Simple translation of that. No fatties, no trannies, no beardos,
• 42:45
  Speaker 18: no weirdos, no wimps, no radicals.
• 42:50
  Speaker 17: Just warriors.
• 42:51
  Speaker 18: Just tough, ready, committed troops. The War Department, as you know,
• 42:57
  Speaker 18: is colorblind, gender neutral, and merit-based.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Tim, can you hear Richard Miles making that speech, mate?
• 43:06
  Speaker 15: Might be the best speech since the opening few minutes
• 43:10
  Speaker 15: of the great George C. Scott movie Patton, which also
• 43:13
  Speaker 15: had the big American flag behind it. One of the
• 43:17
  Speaker 15: most remarkable things about the woke era was that it
• 43:22
  Speaker 15: swarmed the military. It did turn warriors into the various
• 43:26
  Speaker 15: individuals described by Heskov.
• 43:27
  Speaker 14: You know.
• 43:29
  Speaker 17: So.
• 43:30
  Speaker 15: You know, it's actually a return to normality that, you know,
• 43:33
  Speaker 15: a War Department should be full of warriors, but he's
• 43:35
  Speaker 15: going to cop a lot of heat for it anyway,
• 43:37
  Speaker 15: you know, for basically stating the screamingly obvious.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the supporters are going to support him.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: That would make a great episode of Please Explain.
• 43:46
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Don't you think? Mate, it'd be awesome. Just turn it
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: into an Australian version for Please Explain. It could be
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: one nation's defence policy.
• 43:54
  Speaker 20: Mate, I'm thinking about asking if he can come on
• 43:56
  Speaker 20: down to Victoria and we'll give him a ministerial spot.
• 43:58
  Speaker 20: Because it's not just the Department of War and Defence.
• 44:00
  Speaker 20: I need him on every department in Victoria. 20% is
• 44:03
  Speaker 20: just a good start.
• 44:05
  Speaker 8: What did he say?
• 44:05
  Speaker 20: He said, out with the clowns, in with the cowboys
• 44:09
  Speaker 20: as well.
• 44:10
  Speaker 8: It's gold.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: The cowboy stuff's great. It's exactly what we need. Tuma,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: how would you love to see the reaction from old
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Joe Biden and Kamala Harris after they watched that?
• 44:20
  Speaker 15: Well, I don't think we'll have seen a reaction from
• 44:22
  Speaker 15: Joe Biden in many years. I think the last.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Reaction we were going to have was.
• 44:26
  Speaker 15: Around about 2021. And it's fallen off from there. But, yeah,
• 44:30
  Speaker 15: this is going to put more heat on the Democrats
• 44:33
  Speaker 15: leading into the next sort of election cycle in the US.
• 44:37
  Speaker 15: They're trying right now to walk away from all the
• 44:39
  Speaker 15: woke excesses of previous years. And it's good on Hesketh
• 44:43
  Speaker 15: and his allies in the Republican Party to keep reminding
• 44:46
  Speaker 15: people of how crazy all of that time was.
• 44:49
  Speaker 13: Mm-hm.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And look, that is going to sell so well
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: with the Trump supporters and those midterms. Let's talk about
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Chris Minns, Labor Premier. I think the Labor Premiers of
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: South Australia and New South Wales, if we're ever going
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: to have a decent Labor Party federally again, one or
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: the other of those should be reined in to go
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: and stand as leader. Now, they probably won't do it, but...
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: You know, Peter Malinaskis in South Australia is now going
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: to have a royal commission into AI. Surely, Tim, that
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: would be an acceptable face of Labor when we go
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: to a federal election in 18 months' time. Yeah, it's
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: funny at the moment.
• 45:29
  Speaker 15: What we've got is a Prime Minister whose great political
• 45:32
  Speaker 15: skill is that he can control the factions federally, but
• 45:36
  Speaker 15: he can't control the state leaders with anywhere near as
• 45:39
  Speaker 15: much skill, can he? So you've got South Australia and
• 45:42
  Speaker 15: New South Wales... both setting off.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: On their own paths.
• 45:46
  Speaker 15: And it doesn't look like the Prime Minister of Albania
• 45:49
  Speaker 15: can drag them back at this point.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Mark, I mean, there's a funny... Well, not funny. There's
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: an issue going on today. As of 30 November, Australians
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: will no longer be able to pay their tax bill
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: to the ATO using a credit card. This comes after
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: months of this deliberation. But have a listen to Federal
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Minister for Industry, and you tell me if you can
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: explain one word he's saying Tim Ayres trying to explain it.
• 46:15
  Speaker 21: The surcharge is paid by the taxpayer. It's kind of perverse.
• 46:19
  Speaker 21: You're paying taxes. The surcharge is paid for by the taxpayer.
• 46:24
  Speaker 8: What about the small business who needs a bit of flexibility?
• 46:26
  Speaker 21: Well, a very small number of small businesses, and there
• 46:31
  Speaker 21: are many ways for firms to pay their bills.
• 46:37
  Speaker 8: What?
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: It's all waffle, mate. You're a political candidate now. Now,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: come on, tell me what that meant.
• 46:42
  Speaker 20: Mate, that right there is waffle because all they want
• 46:45
  Speaker 20: to do is... The truth is we're passing on the
• 46:48
  Speaker 20: costs to consumers and they're going to increase prices. Every
• 46:51
  Speaker 20: cafe should have this little elbow tax for increase on prices.
• 46:55
  Speaker 20: But I run a small business as well and, mate,
• 46:57
  Speaker 20: that credit card paying for ATO stuff, that is the
• 47:01
  Speaker 20: best way to get frequent flyer points you could ever imagine.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: I consider myself to be reasonably clever... I've never thought
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: to pay my tax bill with a credit card. Dude,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: it's brilliant. Dude, it's brilliant. Cash flow, as you know,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: and Albo would have no clue about this. I said before,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: he's never run a business. He's never put his own
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: money on the line. He doesn't even fill his own
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: car up with petrol now.
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: That's right.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: So he would have no clue.
• 47:24
  Speaker 8: Yep.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: So when a small business gets its BAS statement, and
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: you might have a slower month, shouldn't that be the
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: way you pay?
• 47:32
  Speaker 20: Honestly, I'm gutted about this because it does, it gives
• 47:34
  Speaker 20: you cash flow, but it's also just a small reward
• 47:36
  Speaker 20: for being in business and taking that risk. You get
• 47:39
  Speaker 20: a little, little reward, the tiniest of rewards, like an
• 47:42
  Speaker 20: upgrade on a Qantas flight. It's not even that nice
• 47:44
  Speaker 20: to get in business, do you know what I mean?
• 47:45
  Speaker 20: But you get that as a little pat on the
• 47:47
  Speaker 20: back for having a crack, running a payroll and paying
• 47:50
  Speaker 20: your tax.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: I like it in business. Tim, what about this? Was
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: your coffee cheaper this morning?
• 47:56
  Speaker 8: No.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: I know if anything it's going up.
• 48:00
  Speaker 15: Just on the credit card thing, I have two credit cards,
• 48:03
  Speaker 15: so you can imagine how those go together. One's always
• 48:06
  Speaker 15: counting the other one. It's a symbiotic relationship, I guess
• 48:10
  Speaker 15: you'd call it. But, yes, yes, coffee costs. I live
• 48:13
  Speaker 15: out in the bush where, oddly, there's an extremely advanced
• 48:16
  Speaker 15: coffee culture. And, yeah, we just took a big financial
• 48:20
  Speaker 15: hit due to that, yeah, for sure.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: That heralds some poll today, Tim.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: 24% is.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: The primary vote for Jess Wilson, extends her lead. I
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: think you've got 29% One Nation from a colleague sitting
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: here next to me, and you've got 22% on One Nation,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Coalition 29%, Labor 24%. That sort of suggests to me, and,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to say this in front
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: of Mark, but I have been saying for some time
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: that I think we're going to have a minority-coalition-One Nation
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: combo come November.
• 48:55
  Speaker 15: That, at the moment, would be a pretty good call.
• 48:58
  Speaker 15: I think it also, if that is the case, if
• 49:01
  Speaker 15: the numbers drive towards that, then it's a big lesson
• 49:04
  Speaker 15: for the conservative side of politics. You're either on one
• 49:07
  Speaker 15: side or you're in opposition. And let's see how that
• 49:11
  Speaker 15: all turns out because, yeah, to be fractured at the
• 49:14
  Speaker 15: moment is to lose to a party that hasn't deserved
• 49:16
  Speaker 15: to be in power for decades in Victoria.
• 49:19
  Speaker 14: Mark?
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: I won't say what the location is for obvious reasons,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: but you do have a launch coming up on the weekend.
• 49:25
  Speaker 17: Yep.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: We've got a big launch.
• 49:26
  Speaker 14: That's what I mean.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Policies.
• 49:28
  Speaker 20: Whatever that poll is now, 22%, 25%, doesn't matter what
• 49:32
  Speaker 20: it is, I think we're going to get 100% of
• 49:34
  Speaker 20: the vote once we do this big policy launch on Saturday.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: It's going to blow them off.
• 49:38
  Speaker 10: You're going to love it.
• 49:39
  Speaker 8: Of all the blokes, you're going to love it.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: I would love it. We're not saying where it is
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: for obvious reasons. Tim and Mark, always a pleasure to
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: catch up with you both. Thank you very much. Peter
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Credlin's not well today, so Jamie Rogers is filling in
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: for her. She's up next.