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Find the Angle Another Way (Loren talks kids of celebs, Jamie Fox reflects) · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: George. I'm a homegirl that knows a little bit about
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Speaker 1: everything and everybody. You don't know if you don't lie about that,
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Speaker 1: right Lauren ca Hey, guys, it's Lauren la Rosa and
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Speaker 1: this is another episode of the Latest with Lauren l Rosa.
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Speaker 1: I'm your homegirl that knows a bit about everything and everybody.
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Speaker 1: And this is Yelly Dig on all things pop culture, entertainment,
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Speaker 1: news and the conversations that shake the room. Lowriders, you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm your host. I'm Laura la Rosa and checking in
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Speaker 1: behind the scenes of the Grime. Today. I am feeling productive.
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Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot done today. It is midweek, you
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Speaker 1: guys know, heading into a holiday Juneteenth, there's always anticipation
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Speaker 1: because you don't have to work, You get to, you know,
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Speaker 1: spend time with your family, spend time doing things that
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Speaker 1: you typically don't have time to do during the week.
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Speaker 1: So for me, I was like, Okay, being at this
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Speaker 1: holiday is in the middle of the week. I want
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Speaker 1: to try and get as much done as I can
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Speaker 1: prior to the holiday so I can actually spend the
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Speaker 1: holiday like a holiday. Yes, y'all know me. So I
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Speaker 1: will still be working, we will still have podcasts, episodes,
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Speaker 1: all the things right, but the full bulk of feeling
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Speaker 1: like my day is dedicated so much to other people
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Speaker 1: and work, work, work, work, work, work, work is not
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Speaker 1: what I want to be doing on Juneteenth. I want
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Speaker 1: to be celebrating, you know, being black, being you know,
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Speaker 1: all things black, girl, You know what I mean. Just honestly,
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Speaker 1: it's taking the time to just decompress and celebrate. Like
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Speaker 1: Juneteenth has become such a holiday since the world decided
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Speaker 1: to act like black people are the shit, because we
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Speaker 1: have been and y'all not don't customer podcast, but I
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Speaker 1: feel that Customer it was necessary, but it has become
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Speaker 1: such a holiday. When I was living in LA every
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Speaker 1: year for Juneteenth, we would go to the huge black
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Speaker 1: party barbeque that they do in LA but in Englewood.
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Speaker 1: But since being in New York, I feel like I
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Speaker 1: haven't had the chance to actually celebrate Juneteenth, which I
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Speaker 1: really tried to prioritize to do because it just feels good,
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Speaker 1: you outside, you with your people. You got the music plan.
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Speaker 1: For some reason, every time I think about Juneteenth, I
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Speaker 1: think about the song Sounds of Uh, Sounds of Blackness.
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Speaker 1: The as long as you key that song y'all know
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Speaker 1: that song. Hopefully y'all know that song. If you do
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Speaker 1: not know that song, let me look it up. I
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Speaker 1: want y'all to know that song because that is my
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Speaker 1: June teenth themed song. And I don't know if that's
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Speaker 1: like very cliche, I honestly don't care, because that is
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Speaker 1: my song. That is my go to for Juneteenth. What
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Speaker 1: is it's called? Oh? Yes, it's Sounds of Blackness by Optimistic. Yes,
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Speaker 1: Sounds of Blackness by Optimistic is my Juneteenth go to song.
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Speaker 1: That end I'm Black, y'all. I'm black, y'all, and you
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Speaker 1: just wake up, you go to the cookout, see everywhere
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Speaker 1: you go. It's just I mean, every day it's a
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Speaker 1: celebration of being who you are and being black. But Juneteenth,
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Speaker 1: it just feels like the whole world is stopping to
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Speaker 1: do it. So I've been getting a lot of things done,
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Speaker 1: been very disciplined about getting things done by a certain time,
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Speaker 1: getting my sleeping, being prepared for all the things. So
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Speaker 1: I'm feeling good. If you guys cannot tell, I'm I
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Speaker 1: feel like I sound like things are organized and they're
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Speaker 1: flowing as well too. So I hope y'all are feeling
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Speaker 1: well out there as well, and y'all know, now we
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Speaker 1: got to get into the latest. So I saw this
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Speaker 1: story and I thought that it was really really interesting.
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Speaker 1: I honestly, I was like, man, I wish more people
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Speaker 1: were were, you know, diving into this conversation. So it's
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Speaker 1: been reported by US Weekly, The Grio in Essence magazine
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Speaker 1: that actress Jody Turner Smith has pinned a letter to
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Speaker 1: her ex husband Joshua Jackson, who was also an actor,
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Speaker 1: and this letter is a letter that comes in the
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Speaker 1: midst of their custody battle. Now, for those who are
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Speaker 1: not familiar with Jody Turnersmith, you guys will know her,
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Speaker 1: probably most notably from Queen Islim. Joshua Jackson also an actor.
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Speaker 1: I watched him in the affair, but I know a
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Speaker 1: lot of people will also know him from Dawson's Creek
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Speaker 1: as well Ani Mighty Ducks. So they were married, they
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Speaker 1: were married for some time. They actually got a divorce
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Speaker 1: and their divorce was finalized back in May of twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five. But you know, their custody battle, their battle
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Speaker 1: in the midst of this, even though their divorce is finalized,
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Speaker 1: has been one that has made news headlines, which is
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Speaker 1: why I was so confused when I saw this letter
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Speaker 1: that didn't pick up. More not that I care that
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Speaker 1: it didn't pick up, because that's what I love about
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Speaker 1: the podcast is that we can dive into conversations that
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Speaker 1: other people might not be having. But I was just
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Speaker 1: very surprised because everything with their divorce has been so
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Speaker 1: like people pick it up like insanely, because that's how
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Speaker 1: it was about their relationship as well. Two. So she
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Speaker 1: following their divorce in May of twenty twenty five, it
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Speaker 1: was decided that their divorce would break down to Joshua
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Speaker 1: Jackson paying twenty seven hundred and eighty seven dollars a
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Speaker 1: month in child support, and then there was a lump
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Speaker 1: sum of spousal support that was paid out as well.
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Speaker 1: But within the last month, there's been reports of Joshua
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Speaker 1: Jackson and Jody Turner Smith going back and forth about
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Speaker 1: things like their daughter and their daughter is young. Their
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Speaker 1: daughter is five years old, well someplace to report she's four,
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Speaker 1: but someplace to report she's five, but she's young. Their
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Speaker 1: daughter is under nine years old, and they've been going
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Speaker 1: back and forth about where she's going to go to
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Speaker 1: school and just what custody looks like between the two
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Speaker 1: of them, because they're both really involved parents. So Jody
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Speaker 1: Smith Turner's letter is about the role of a mother
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Speaker 1: in a child's life, especially a girl, a young girl,
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Speaker 1: especially when you're dealing with two parents who are now separated.
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Speaker 1: More specific she's talking about the role of a black
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Speaker 1: mother in a biracial child's life. It's specially a biracial daughter.
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Speaker 1: So the letter starts, Hi, Josh, thank you for your message.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate your recognition of how fluid the production timeline
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Speaker 1: can be. Your willingness to accommodate the fluidity truly makes
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Speaker 1: a difference. And when she talks about production timeline, she's
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Speaker 1: talking about a show that she's shooting. So then she
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Speaker 1: goes on, I'm also so glad that we agree that
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Speaker 1: our share goals to provide Juno with as much stability, consistency,
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Speaker 1: and meaningful time with both of us as possible. I
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Speaker 1: hear and appreciate your point that that is ultimately her
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Speaker 1: time with each of us, and not the other way around.
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Speaker 1: The framing feels very important. This arrangement allows Juno to
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Speaker 1: enjoy a true sense of continuity and presence, something we
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Speaker 1: both value. She's excited about our travel plans, and I
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Speaker 1: believe this stretch of time will allow her to feel
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Speaker 1: deeply grounded and connected during a season that's naturally more
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Speaker 1: open and flexible. Now again, I mentioned that all of
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Speaker 1: this that's happening in the midst of them having these
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Speaker 1: like custody conversations, right and more recently, when it was
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Speaker 1: about a month ago when reports came out that they
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Speaker 1: were having issues over determining a schooling determination between the
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Speaker 1: two of them and then the custody. The conversation with
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Speaker 1: custody was about their daughter, Juno's summer schedule and like
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Speaker 1: where she would spend her time summer, how that time
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Speaker 1: would be broken down in what she would be doing. So,
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Speaker 1: Jody continues, I want to raise the subject as something
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Speaker 1: that has been weighing heavily on me, and it's grounded
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Speaker 1: not just an instinct or emotion, but in widely established research.
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Speaker 1: Before Juno was born, you and I spoke at length
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Speaker 1: about what she would need to grow into a strong,
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Speaker 1: self assured young person. Central to those conversations was the
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Speaker 1: importance of the maternal bond, and more specifically, the critical
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Speaker 1: role that being close to her black mother would play
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Speaker 1: in shaping her identity and self esteem. Research consistently shows
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Speaker 1: that for biracial children, particularly with a black mother, that
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Speaker 1: connection is not periphial. It is foundational. It plays a
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Speaker 1: vital role in identity formation, emotional resilience, in a long
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Speaker 1: term physical well being. These aren't abstract ideas, They've lived
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Speaker 1: daily realities that you know is already beginning to experience
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Speaker 1: in the consistency of our time together, especially when school
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Speaker 1: is out in their space for deeper connection is one
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Speaker 1: of the most effective ways to support her through them.
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Speaker 1: The vision we once shared hasn't changed, and it begins
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Speaker 1: here and ensuring that Juno is not only protected, but affirmed,
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Speaker 1: reflected and deeply rooted in who she is. So I
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Speaker 1: want to talk a bit before we get into you know,
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Speaker 1: just where you know, opinion on this letter and all
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Speaker 1: the things. I want to talk a bit about the
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Speaker 1: custody conversation that I brought up. So according to reports,
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Speaker 1: and actually TMC is the one who broke the story,
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Speaker 1: there were legal documents that were filed back in May
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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five. It was actually May third, so
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Speaker 1: it was right before single de Maya of this year,
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Speaker 1: and in the Joshua and Joshua Jackson and Jody were
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Speaker 1: figuring out more of the divorce settlement, but specifically they
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Speaker 1: had to use a mediator to come up with a
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Speaker 1: temporary schedule to figure out what the fifty to fifty
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Speaker 1: custodyould look like with their daughter. Now here's what they
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Speaker 1: can't agree on. So they agreed where Juna is going
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Speaker 1: to go to school eventually, Like they got to that
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Speaker 1: agreement right, And that was a part of the reports
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Speaker 1: is that that was one of the things that they
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Speaker 1: could not figure out. So in this most recent filing
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Speaker 1: they were able to agree on that. And then after that,
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Speaker 1: Jody was asking for a judge to force Joshua to
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Speaker 1: adhere to a core order that gives her the power
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Speaker 1: to pick elementary school. So it's more so about where
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Speaker 1: she's going to go to school next. And the issue
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Speaker 1: is that Jody is basically asking for their daughter Juno
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Speaker 1: to go to a new school next year. But she
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Speaker 1: says that Joshua Jackson is not having that, like he's
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Speaker 1: sitting it in a way that now she says that
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Speaker 1: she's researched his new school. She talked about it with
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Speaker 1: Joshua Jackson and made sure it was close enough to
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Speaker 1: his home as well, but he's refusing to get on board.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: So that's the school situation. So baby girls in school,
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Speaker 1: the school she's that currently is fine. It's about where
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Speaker 1: she's going next. As far as the summer schedule, Joby
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Speaker 1: Turner is as she's wanting to spend five weeks with
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Speaker 1: her daughter in Europe, which she said will allow their
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Speaker 1: daughter Juno to enjoy a true sense of continuity and presence,
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Speaker 1: which is what I was referencing, something that they both value.
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Speaker 1: But Joshua Jackson is pushing back against this because he's
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Speaker 1: saying it would leave him without seeing his daughter for
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Speaker 1: at least a month. Now. Jody is also asking that
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Speaker 1: their daughter, do you know, you know, within these travel plans,
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Speaker 1: be able to stay with her and Morocco while she's
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Speaker 1: working there. That is the production schedule they were referencing.
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Speaker 1: But Joshua is standing. He sentos down with saying we
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Speaker 1: need to have a meaningful conversation about this because any
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Speaker 1: travel arrangements involving their daughter, including the location, the schedule,
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Speaker 1: and all these things. He wants to have a conversation
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Speaker 1: about it before he makes actual decisions. And Jody has
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Speaker 1: actually said to him as well, like, look, I know
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Speaker 1: it's summertime, so if you have a specific travel plans
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Speaker 1: or you know anything that you want to do, just
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Speaker 1: let me know so that we can talk about it
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Speaker 1: ahead of time. But I do want you to talk
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Speaker 1: to me about it before you take it to our daughter,
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Speaker 1: because you know, it's like once you tell a kid something,
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Speaker 1: and she says this, and Jody Turner says this in
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Speaker 1: her documents that she followed. She says, you know, once
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Speaker 1: you tell a kid something, then it causes confusion and
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Speaker 1: it causes disappointment, and I don't want that. Now I'm listen,
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Speaker 1: I understand Jody's point, you know, Jody Turner, I understand
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Speaker 1: her point right, because look, I'm not biracial. Both my
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Speaker 1: parents are black, I mean, as you guys can tell.
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Speaker 1: But I hope she doesn't mind me telling the story.
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Speaker 1: She knows who I'm talking about. She's listening to the podcast.
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Speaker 1: But I have a biracial friend who I got really
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Speaker 1: really close to when I was living in LA And
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Speaker 1: until I got close to her, I didn't even understand,
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Speaker 1: nor did I think that there was a like a
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Speaker 1: struggle or a world of things that biracial children went through.
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Speaker 1: I remember one time we were in a grocery store
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Speaker 1: and we were leaving a grocery store and we pulled
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Speaker 1: out of the grocery store and there was a woman
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Speaker 1: who was pulling in to take our spot, and then
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Speaker 1: there was another car waiting behind us. And the way
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Speaker 1: that we backed up, the woman wasn't able to get
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Speaker 1: into the spot, so the car behind us was able
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Speaker 1: to pull in. So as we're going around the woman
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Speaker 1: and it's a white woman, she yells the N word
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Speaker 1: out of the window, and oh my god, it picked
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Speaker 1: like I mean, I was like, whatever, old white lady. Whatever.
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Speaker 1: It pissed my friend off so bad, and I was like, Yo,
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Speaker 1: why do you care so much about this woman that
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Speaker 1: you don't even know, you know what I mean? Like
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Speaker 1: we're in the car, you don't know this woman. Obviously
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Speaker 1: she's not about the parking space. She's gonna say anything
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Speaker 1: you make you mad. I've learned to just let ignorant
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Speaker 1: people be ignorant because I've dealt with it, and I
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Speaker 1: know who I am, so I know I'm not the
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Speaker 1: N word with an r er, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: I know I'm an educated, beautiful black woman. Like it's
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Speaker 1: different but when I say it pissed her off, It
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Speaker 1: pissed her off to the point where we had to
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Speaker 1: pull over for her to gather herself and get herself together.
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Speaker 1: Like she was crying, she was emotional. It was a
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Speaker 1: whole thing. And as I'm talking to her, I'm realizing, like, wow,
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Speaker 1: like her identity of self when it comes to her
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Speaker 1: as a black woman, because she has a black parent
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Speaker 1: and a white parent, it's not as strong like anything
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Speaker 1: can kind of shake her. And it's because she grew
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Speaker 1: up not as close to her black side of her family.
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Speaker 1: So the black identity that she did have and that
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Speaker 1: she gained from friends in school and community, whenever that
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Speaker 1: was like tested or questioned, no matter how big or
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Speaker 1: how small the way that it would throw her off.
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Speaker 1: I'd never experienced anything like it. And I think, and
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Speaker 1: not even think once we begin to talk about it more,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, why did that bother I get it,
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Speaker 1: it's racial, and anybody hearing that is going to bother them.
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Speaker 1: But it's sad to say, but it's like, I mean,
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Speaker 1: letting ignorant people be ignorant is just a thing that
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Speaker 1: I've It's kind of like not a coping mechanism. But
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Speaker 1: it's just one of those things. It's things. It's like
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Speaker 1: the same way when I walk into a store, my
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Speaker 1: first thing is, let me not bring big bags in here,
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Speaker 1: because I don't want them to think I'm stealing. Whereas
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Speaker 1: another person who don't look like me or who is
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Speaker 1: white passing does not have to think about that type
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Speaker 1: of stuff. It's just something that I know to do.
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Speaker 1: So for me, let ignorant people be ignorantless it's right
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Speaker 1: in my face, and I you know what I mean,
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Speaker 1: Like that's different. But we're in a car, we're pulling
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Speaker 1: off like it's whatever. But in talking to her, what
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Speaker 1: I learned and what I realized was that anytime her
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Speaker 1: black side, if anything, was questioned, she wasn't sure about
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Speaker 1: it enough to stay in firm. And I'm gonna just
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Speaker 1: let ignorant people be ignorant because I know that's not
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Speaker 1: how I identify. She couldn't stand in that because it
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Speaker 1: wasn't instilled in her from her black side of her family.
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Speaker 1: So she's never fully been able to like identify with that.
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Speaker 1: And the closest thing in proximity she has to identifying
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Speaker 1: with it is what she's taught herself. It didn't come
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Speaker 1: from a place of love or from people who love her,
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Speaker 1: and not even from people who love her because you know,
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Speaker 1: as her friend, I love her like that type of thing,
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Speaker 1: but not from her mother or like, you know, someone
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Speaker 1: that's more like the maternal or nurturing in her life.
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Speaker 1: So it just her experience in walking through the world
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Speaker 1: was so different, and she was always not black enough
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Speaker 1: for the black kids, not white enough for the white kids. Right,
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Speaker 1: So she's always been trying to figure out where the
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Speaker 1: identity lied and what she identified with the most, right
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Speaker 1: which words, which was her black side because of her
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Speaker 1: friends and her school she went to and all those things.
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Speaker 1: She had an adopted mom who raised her, who was
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Speaker 1: also black. But again, it's different. It's not your it's
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Speaker 1: not your natural like it's not your your mom who
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Speaker 1: birth you. So there's just all these questions that she's
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out. I tell you guys this story
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Speaker 1: to say that I realized in that moment and being
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Speaker 1: friends with her and in that particular moment, that there
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Speaker 1: was just something different about being raised to know that
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Speaker 1: as a black person in this world, or as a
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Speaker 1: black specifically a black woman in this world, to know
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Speaker 1: your brilliance and to know your uh just your wholeness
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Speaker 1: and where that comes from, like who teaches it to
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Speaker 1: you and how you get to know it. It's such
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Speaker 1: an important thing and it's it's an everyday thing in
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Speaker 1: a black household, and it's something that we don't even
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Speaker 1: think twice about as we're raising children or you know,
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Speaker 1: me being the child of a mother who was black.
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Speaker 1: But when I begin having conversations with my biracial friend
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Speaker 1: and I began to realize that, like she didn't have
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Speaker 1: that study like to stand on two feet about that
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Speaker 1: it was and it was because of what she lacked
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Speaker 1: in her upbringing. When I read this letter, and this
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Speaker 1: letter is a couple of days old as well, so
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Speaker 1: it's been out, you know, not this letter, but the
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Speaker 1: letter that was included in the filing is a couple
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Speaker 1: days old, so it's been out. When I read it,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I can really like I hear her
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Speaker 1: and I understand her now whether or not Joshua Jackson
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Speaker 1: will understand her, because at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: no matter how much you know, empathy a person that
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Speaker 1: is not black has for us and what we need
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Speaker 1: and how we need to be poured into in order
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Speaker 1: to navigate in the world. No matter how much of
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Speaker 1: that you have, it's still different being a black man
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Speaker 1: raising a black child with a black woman versus being
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Speaker 1: a white man raising a child with a black woman.
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Speaker 1: So whether he's gonna fully understand that or not, it's
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Speaker 1: one thing. And I you know, we'll see how this
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Speaker 1: plays out. And I think that it is so evolved
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Speaker 1: for you know, even though their relationship didn't work out,
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Speaker 1: for them to even be having those conversations, because it
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Speaker 1: is a real thing. Wishing him the best we will,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'll say a breast to you know, the
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Speaker 1: filings and kind of what happens and where they land,
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Speaker 1: because it seems like he's not being just hard about
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Speaker 1: her request for no reason. It's just a it's a
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Speaker 1: parental thing. It's like a hey, I understand all of that,
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Speaker 1: but I'm her father too. He even says in one
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Speaker 1: of the documents that he says, I don't think that
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Speaker 1: on location tutoring can APPROXI the importance of what Juno
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Speaker 1: has received by attending school and being in a consistent
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Speaker 1: peer environment this year, her social and emotional development, and
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Speaker 1: her academic achievement this year have been truly extraordinary. And
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Speaker 1: this is him responding and basically saying, like, you know,
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Speaker 1: as she's traveling, like, yes, it's amazing, she'll get to
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Speaker 1: learn these things, she'll get to be with you. But
18:21
Speaker 1: as school finishes and we want to you know, nurture her,
18:25
Speaker 1: you know, socially and academically, still throughout the summer, as
18:30
Speaker 1: she prepares to go back into school, traveling and you know,
18:34
Speaker 1: not having you know, that peer to peer consistency, it
18:40
Speaker 1: could interfere and tutoring is different than being in school
18:44
Speaker 1: and being with her friends and all those things. Like
18:46
Speaker 1: it seems like, you know, they're trying to accommodate for
18:49
Speaker 1: the lives that they live at celebrities. But he's also
18:51
Speaker 1: reminding Jody, like there is a level of consistency and
18:54
Speaker 1: in normal normalcy that you want to provide for a
18:57
Speaker 1: child as well too. Let me know, So I think
19:00
Speaker 1: about the conversation. I think that it's definitely one worth having,
19:03
Speaker 1: especially as we go into junetieth celebrating all of you know,
19:06
Speaker 1: the blackness and all these things. And that's so ironic.
19:09
Speaker 1: I didn't even tie the two together when I was
19:11
Speaker 1: prepping this, but it's ironic how they both tied together
19:14
Speaker 1: talking about celebrating Juneteenth and everything that is your blackness
19:18
Speaker 1: that day and every day, but that day specifically. And
19:20
Speaker 1: then this story now as we head on out of here,
19:31
Speaker 1: in the latest, we have Jamie Fox. Jamie Fox sat
19:33
Speaker 1: down for this really interesting interview with BET. He was
19:36
Speaker 1: honored at BET. He received an icon of ward for
19:38
Speaker 1: his legacy, his career, all of the things during the
19:41
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five be ET Awards, which was amazing to see.
19:44
Speaker 1: You guys knew I was in LA for the award show,
19:47
Speaker 1: but there was an interview that released. I watched the
19:50
Speaker 1: interview yesterday and it was such a great interview. Jamie
19:55
Speaker 1: Fox talked about everything from you know who taught him.
19:59
Speaker 1: He talked about Harry Bellefonte teaching him how to be
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Speaker 1: a black man and what that responsibility look like. He
20:06
Speaker 1: talked about do you even have to have responsibility as
20:10
Speaker 1: a black person or as a black entertainer. He talked about,
20:14
Speaker 1: you know, just his abilities and doing the things that
20:16
Speaker 1: he's able to do, and his career and you know,
20:19
Speaker 1: all all of the things. But he brought up one
20:22
Speaker 1: thing that I thought was very interesting. He talked about
20:24
Speaker 1: social media and just being famous right now and how
20:28
Speaker 1: it is so different than when he got started and
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Speaker 1: what he wished for.
20:33
Speaker 2: I tell people all the time this is be careful
20:37
Speaker 2: what you wish for, because I'm a gregarious dude and
20:40
Speaker 2: I just want to have fun. And sometimes people will
20:45
Speaker 2: take advantage of that, especially in today's world now, where
20:50
Speaker 2: you know you gotta be careful. Everything is looked at,
20:53
Speaker 2: everything is scrutinized. So I do a thing in my
20:57
Speaker 2: new stand up I'm going out on a new stand
20:59
Speaker 2: up call of Victory lap Yeah on Hulu, But I
21:03
Speaker 2: talked about how fame is not necessarily fun anymore.
21:06
Speaker 1: Back in the day, fame.
21:07
Speaker 2: Was cool yourself, but now you know, it's kind of
21:12
Speaker 2: it's tough, you know. And what's crazy is everything that
21:15
Speaker 2: you're doing could be negated in one post.
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Speaker 1: This conversation was unique coming from a Jamie Fox because
21:22
Speaker 1: Jamie Fox is a part of that celebrity group who
21:25
Speaker 1: he still remembers what it was like to be famous
21:28
Speaker 1: pre social media, but he is a huge celebrity, so
21:33
Speaker 1: he can't escape life post social media either. When Jamie
21:37
Speaker 1: Fox was going through his health battle, I remember being
21:39
Speaker 1: at TMZ and you know, one of the things that
21:42
Speaker 1: you learned in the newsroom about developing exclusives and working
21:45
Speaker 1: on stories is do you always find an angle in?
21:49
Speaker 1: Whenever you blocked out one way, you find the angle
21:51
Speaker 1: in another way. And I've worked on many stories from
21:54
Speaker 1: TMZ to now in my career with the Breakfast Club,
21:56
Speaker 1: and you know, in trying to find angles and find
21:59
Speaker 1: ways into a bit less invasive at the Breakfast Club,
22:02
Speaker 1: thank god, but in trying to find my way into
22:05
Speaker 1: these different stories, I still come up on roadblocks where
22:08
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, what's another way in? Can I you know,
22:10
Speaker 1: if the turney don't want to talk, what about the publicist,
22:12
Speaker 1: what about the manager, what about the whatever. Jamie Fox
22:15
Speaker 1: when he was going through his healthcare, when I tell y'all,
22:18
Speaker 1: we couldn't find no way in. We did like everything
22:21
Speaker 1: was shut down. His family did a really good job
22:23
Speaker 1: of protecting him through that and making sure that not
22:25
Speaker 1: too much slipped. There were certain things that still got out,
22:28
Speaker 1: but they controlled the narrative. We didn't see him like
22:33
Speaker 1: they controlled as much as they could so well in
22:37
Speaker 1: a social media time with a name like Jamie Fox,
22:40
Speaker 1: who comes from the real era of celebrities, y'all know
22:43
Speaker 1: how hard that is. So to hear him talk about
22:48
Speaker 1: just you know, thinking of fame one way, wishing for
22:51
Speaker 1: fame one way, getting it, and then it being so
22:54
Speaker 1: different than what you experienced, especially now with social media,
22:59
Speaker 1: I was like, why, that's very ironic because in all
23:02
Speaker 1: of my career, working the story and reporting the story
23:08
Speaker 1: of Jamie Fox and what he was going through in
23:10
Speaker 1: his healthcare was probably one of the toughest stories that
23:12
Speaker 1: we worked on. Number one, because it's Jamie Fox and
23:14
Speaker 1: he so beloved and we just didn't know what was
23:16
Speaker 1: happening and you want him to be okay. But also
23:20
Speaker 1: they did his family hold it down? We couldn't get
23:22
Speaker 1: there was nothing, nothing leaking on social nothing. So I'm like,
23:25
Speaker 1: you know, for him to complain about it, I'm like, man,
23:27
Speaker 1: it seems like y'all got it on lock over there,
23:29
Speaker 1: Like y'all y'all got a downpack over there, Jamie Fox.
23:31
Speaker 1: Though I'm not even gonna lie y'all definitely do. I've
23:33
Speaker 1: experienced it firsthand, But I think there is a point
23:36
Speaker 1: to what he's talking about. Though. It's like, even when
23:38
Speaker 1: he mentioned the you know, like one post and everything
23:41
Speaker 1: you've worked for, it could just be negated, like one
23:43
Speaker 1: post on social media and the court of public opinion
23:47
Speaker 1: can cause a downfall of so many different things. That
23:51
Speaker 1: is like the scariest part of a lot of the
23:53
Speaker 1: things that I'm experiencing today and in this time. And
23:56
Speaker 1: I look at you know, people like Jamie Fox, and
24:00
Speaker 1: you know, Gabrielle Union to rah gp Henson and you
24:03
Speaker 1: know all of these major Oh my god, Kerry Washington.
24:05
Speaker 1: There's so many major names that I look to. I
24:09
Speaker 1: think in Hathaway does a really good job of being
24:11
Speaker 1: present on social media, but you know, you won't really
24:14
Speaker 1: know too much of her business. Like, there are a
24:16
Speaker 1: lot of celebrities that I look at and I'm like,
24:17
Speaker 1: they do a really good job of still remaining that
24:20
Speaker 1: mystique of I'm a celebrity, you can't know everything, and
24:23
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give you everything, but still using
24:26
Speaker 1: social media to a point where you feel connected with them.
24:28
Speaker 1: Kerry Washington owned Twitter during the scandal days, but we
24:31
Speaker 1: knew nothing about her personal life until she told us
24:35
Speaker 1: those type of uh, you know, celebrities in that age
24:38
Speaker 1: of celebrity, it's like the younger the celebrities get, the
24:42
Speaker 1: more the that dies out. It just it's disappearing, and
24:48
Speaker 1: it's nerve racking a bit, especially as like things are
24:51
Speaker 1: growing for me myself. But it's also nerve racking a
24:54
Speaker 1: bit too because it causes a like a whole genre
24:58
Speaker 1: of media and conversation and just noise of people who
25:02
Speaker 1: will do and say anything, and then it's hard to
25:05
Speaker 1: negate through that because there's not a lot of people
25:08
Speaker 1: out here doing the due diligence. I was literally just
25:11
Speaker 1: talking about this the other day for what I do,
25:15
Speaker 1: not even just here on the podcast, but for breakfast Club,
25:18
Speaker 1: Like you know, waking up in the morning, I'm looking
25:20
Speaker 1: through stories trying to figure out what to talk about.
25:22
Speaker 1: A lot of times I'm trying to develop my own
25:24
Speaker 1: news on my own angles in as I just mentioned exclusives.
25:27
Speaker 1: But when I don't have that, sometimes it's like, Okay,
25:29
Speaker 1: let me see what the world is talking about. And
25:31
Speaker 1: I've been feeling like over these last couple of weeks, like, man,
25:34
Speaker 1: so much of this stuff is noise. I'm scared to
25:36
Speaker 1: even report certain things, even if valid dot coms are
25:40
Speaker 1: reporting it, because things are just so things are just
25:44
Speaker 1: so misconstrued, like people can paint any narrative they want. Nowadays,
25:48
Speaker 1: because of social media and then it makes a dot
25:51
Speaker 1: com or it makes a news report and that is
25:54
Speaker 1: so scary and it's just getting worse. So to know
25:59
Speaker 1: that it's still fat affecting someone as big as a
26:01
Speaker 1: Jamie Fox, I'm like, man, he's like Jamie Fox is
26:04
Speaker 1: like pinnacle entertainer. It's not about being a black entertainer.
26:07
Speaker 1: He is pinnacle entertainer. Like every there's nowhere you go
26:10
Speaker 1: that is not going to know a Jimmie Fox and
26:15
Speaker 1: he's still being affected by it. I'm like, it's over
26:18
Speaker 1: for the rest of us. We ain't got a shot
26:20
Speaker 1: in ht double hockey sticks. If Jamie Fox is feeling
26:23
Speaker 1: like this, it's like, man, what do I have to
26:25
Speaker 1: look forward to? Well, speaking of social media, I'm gonna
26:31
Speaker 1: take you guys outside to the tweets. We outside, we outside,
26:35
Speaker 1: we outside in the streets. I tweeted something and when
26:44
Speaker 1: I tell you, all the people are in my mentions
26:48
Speaker 1: going crazy like go and saying, so I want to
26:53
Speaker 1: get y'all take on it, right, Okay, So I retweeted this,
26:56
Speaker 1: uh this tweet. It says tr or Gez, who had
27:00
Speaker 1: a better first five album run, So they've got TI's serious.
27:05
Speaker 1: Tis Trap Music, TI self titled album, TI TI King,
27:10
Speaker 1: and then TI versus Tip Verse five TI albums. Then
27:14
Speaker 1: you got GZ. So you have Young g Z. Let's
27:18
Speaker 1: get it, thug motivation one on one, Young GZ the inspiration,
27:22
Speaker 1: Young GZ the recession, Young g Z, Thug motivation won
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Speaker 1: on three Hustles, Ambition, and Young g Z seen it
27:30
Speaker 1: all the autobiography. Now, I said GZ, And granted, it's
27:35
Speaker 1: hard anytime you talk about GZ and TI and a conversation,
27:39
Speaker 1: especially comparing it too, but just in general, like anytime
27:42
Speaker 1: people bring them up in a competitive way, I think
27:45
Speaker 1: people are always so competitive because these are two artists
27:49
Speaker 1: who literally changed the face of trap music and everything
27:54
Speaker 1: that they've touched, like they've culturally influenced and left a
27:58
Speaker 1: mark in a way that like you're gonna feel so
28:01
Speaker 1: tied to the change that you felt when they when
28:03
Speaker 1: they were doing when they were really in the crevices
28:05
Speaker 1: of doing their thing right. So I get it. But
28:09
Speaker 1: for me, I don't know, I felt like, and I'm
28:11
Speaker 1: not this is not me saying that t I's first
28:15
Speaker 1: five albums wasn't a run. That's not what I'm saying.
28:19
Speaker 1: I just think that Gz's was a better first five
28:21
Speaker 1: album Run. Now, I want to know what y'all think,
28:24
Speaker 1: because the people online they're like, what so uh. Someone
28:29
Speaker 1: said I'm gonna have to roll with young jeez Tip
28:33
Speaker 1: set it up though, then another one said, Lauren, how
28:37
Speaker 1: old are you? Where were you back in these days?
28:39
Speaker 1: Because you wasn't really outside I could tell by your choice.
28:41
Speaker 1: I was like, WHOA. Then someone else said, I'm gonna
28:45
Speaker 1: choose both, but Tip hands down, and then somebody agreed
28:49
Speaker 1: with Oh, somebody just said, you bugging out cash to
28:55
Speaker 1: for S one on X edge, you bugging out will
28:58
Speaker 1: all due respect, I gotta respond that album because that
29:00
Speaker 1: one's kind of funny. Let me know what y'all think, though,
29:03
Speaker 1: So this is more about what I want you guys
29:05
Speaker 1: to get on my X account. I'm Lauren la Rosa
29:07
Speaker 1: on X my post t I g Z who had
29:11
Speaker 1: the better first album first five album run. Let me
29:15
Speaker 1: know what y'all think, because I'm not even arguing back
29:18
Speaker 1: with the people. I feel that way because I feel
29:20
Speaker 1: like Gez's song like when you talk about full bodies
29:23
Speaker 1: of work all the way through. And again, I'm not
29:24
Speaker 1: taking away from t I. I think it's just a
29:27
Speaker 1: personal choice. I just personally, I can name you multiple
29:31
Speaker 1: songs off multiple want multiple up, multiple of these albums.
29:36
Speaker 1: Is that is that how you think it sends? Te
29:38
Speaker 1: don't even know how to talk. That's like you know
29:40
Speaker 1: the episode is indre. I can name you multiple songs
29:42
Speaker 1: from multiple of these albums because I was maybe too.
29:45
Speaker 1: I may maybe I'm just a bigger GZ fan, y'all.
29:49
Speaker 1: Let me know what y'all think. I think it's a
29:50
Speaker 1: personal choice, personal opinion. I think both of them were
29:52
Speaker 1: very influential. I think their you know, first few album run,
29:56
Speaker 1: Like I said, it changed the way that we even
29:58
Speaker 1: talk about track music, music from the South. I think
30:02
Speaker 1: they both have done things that you're never gonna forget,
30:04
Speaker 1: Sounds that you're never gonna forget, hooks, bars that you're
30:07
Speaker 1: never gonna forget. But personally, it's jeezy for me. What's
30:10
Speaker 1: y'all thing? Let me know. At the end of the day,
30:14
Speaker 1: there is always a lot to talk about. You guys
30:16
Speaker 1: could be anywhere with anybody talking about it, but you
30:19
Speaker 1: choose to be right here with me, and I appreciate
30:22
Speaker 1: you guys for that. I'm Laura mo Rosa. I will
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Speaker 1: see you guys at my next episode.