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James Delingpole on the pursuit of truth | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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My name is Jim. This is Jim.
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Warfare, The Battle of Ideas. James Delingpole, thank you for
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joining me in the trenches again.
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It's gem. It's always a pleasure, and I
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mean that. Well, the feeling's mutual, but
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I listen. I've got to say something.
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I I quite like my my opening line, right?
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But I have to acknowledge that yours might just top mine.
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What you mean I never always say I'm excited?
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About this, I love that. I love that opener.
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Where did it come from? It came from.
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The thing is, the thing about my podcast you may have noticed is
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that what you see is what you get.
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I really, I have many qualities, I'm aware of that, but I also
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have many defects and, and I, I think, I think almost the
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defects are what make, make the good bits better.
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One of the things that I'm really not very good at is
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forward planning organisation and the thing I like to wing it.
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So had I been a forward planning person, I would have probably, I
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would probably have brainstormed lots of catch phrases because
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you know, you need a catch phrase for your, for your
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podcast and you need to do this and you need to do that.
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No, I, it just, it just appeared from nowhere one day.
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It was a gift from God and I, I kept it.
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Well, I will say that you might have the best opening line, but
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I will die on this hill. I think I've got the best intro.
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What the? Actual video.
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The actual video. Oh yeah, it's really
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professional. It's like, where did that come
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from? I've often wondered about that.
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Yeah, OK, well, I'll tell you quickly.
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So a mate of mine is a video editor.
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Shame. He he lost his job during the
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COVID era. He worked for a big for a big
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broadcasting company and he refused the the jab.
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And he made that whole thing for me from scratch using stock
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footage and and ideas that we brainstormed.
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That was that. And we found, we found the song
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on YouTube. It was a royalty free thing.
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I then went to the guy's website and I actually paid for it so
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that I could use it permanently. It's good that you've got a good
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cover story because of course the the the counter suggestion
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might be that the reason you're so slick and professional is
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because you're basically your your dark source.
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Funders decided that that's what you needed because it's a tell,
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isn't it? Anything that looks too slick
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and professional. You think there's money by
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where's the money coming from? Whereas I, I disguise that my
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money sources by by seeming to be seeming to be amateurish.
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You know when listen. James James I live in Africa.
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We have to always up play ourselves.
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You're right, whereas the English, it is the kind of thing
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where, yeah, I was thinking about this the other day.
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I was thinking I it's not a good thing because it's it's a
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manifestation of pride and and other things which are not good.
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But I do have this slight snobbery towards.
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What? No.
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Yeah, I'm sorry. Sorry, Chairman, towards try
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hards, people who are a bit, a bit too keen, who work a bit too
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hard. And it comes from there was
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always that thing at school. I, I mean, I mean, it's
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certainly the case with private schools.
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Maybe this the, the, the, the case with all schools that if
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you were one of the naturally clever kids, which the better or
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worse I was, you kind of looked down on the kids who weren't as
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clever as that as you, but who worked much, much harder.
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Because there's that image, isn't there, of the swan gliding
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along the surface and paddling frantically underneath.
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Well, that, so the so the story goes.
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And that's what you wanted to be.
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You wanted to be a not, you wanted to be a gentleman rather
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than a player because the players are rather vulgar and
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the players, the players sweat. But we, we gentlemen, we don't
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do that kind of thing. I mean, not that I am a
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gentleman by the way, but it was, it was, it was something,
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something that I aspired to be. And I've still got some of that.
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I still think that if you're too, if you're too, you don't
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want to be too keen. You don't want to be.
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You don't want people to people to think that you you labour
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over much. It's funny you say that because
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the segue here is a conversation you and I had a couple nights
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ago on the phone. And we don't want to give to
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publicity to people we kind of despise.
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But it's, it was a really interesting conversation.
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So, so if if if you're able to try and try and take me through
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that conversation, obviously without naming names.
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Well, in the vaguest, vaguest way.
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Something I've noticed increasingly the the longer I've
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spent in this, we're going to call it a space.
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Is that pretentious? This, this world that you, when,
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when you go down the rabbit hole and you realise that the world
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is not as you thought it was. And you and you, you suddenly
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start discovering like, no, the Titanic wasn't sunk by an
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iceberg. It was an insurance job.
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And no, Hiroshima that took place on my 20 years before I
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was born was not a nuke. It was a napalm.
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It was a mass bombing rage. And and you've, you've, you've,
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you've covered that one very well.
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And so on and so on. The moon landings, 9/11,
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Illuminati and stuff. So you COVID, yeah, COVID.
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So you enter this world where you're learning all this amazing
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stuff. And when you first enter this
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world, it's, it's, it's frightening, but exciting at the
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same time. Because even though you're
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saying goodbye to the old world where the things that you were
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sort of felt were sort of reassuringly familiar, all the,
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all the old certainties are gone.
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All the, all the kind of things you used to prop yourself up on
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all the things like, I don't know, I mean the days when you
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assumed that you didn't know what EE equals MC squared meant,
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but you knew it was a kind of thing because like Einstein said
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it and said it must be true or, or, or you knew that evolution
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was was a thing because all the scientists knew it was a thing.
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And, and obviously only Bible bashes in the crazy Bible Belt
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believed otherwise, you know, as they juggled their rattlesnakes,
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all this stuff goes and you went to this new world.
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And what makes it bearable, saying goodbye to all your old
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friends and all your old certainties is meeting all these
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wonderful new people who are they're, they're sort of puzzled
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and excited like you are. And they are like the best
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friends you never knew you had. And it's wonderful.
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And I and I and I, I still feel that about so many of the people
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I've met, I mean, including you, Jim, since since I've since I've
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gone down the rabbit, it's been. Yeah, we've been chatting for
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years, hey. Yeah, it's it's it's I, I mean,
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I'd never have met you and I, I've never all these really fun
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people that I've met. And you have great conversations
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and, and I love you all. But as you spend more time in
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these circles, you realise that the bad guys that run the world
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who are control freaks and and satanic and many things, one of
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the things they are because they they like to control everything
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and micromanage everything to a surprising degree.
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What you realise is that they actually care what people like
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you and I say and do to the point where they want to insert
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all kinds of agents of disruption in our midst, be they
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gatekeepers, controlled opposition, Judas, goats, 5th
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columnists, whatever, whatever, whatever.
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You, I mean, people serve different functions, but
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basically traitors to the, to the cause of, of, of truth,
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which it's the only thing that really interests me, the truth,
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finding out what the truth is. I didn't care where it leads me.
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And, and I'm more than happy to discard things I was certain
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about yesterday. If evidence emerges to prove me
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wrong. And, and I'm, I'm always just,
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I, I want to, I want to get to that.
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I want to find out the truth. I didn't believe the truth is
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relative. I believe that it is an, is an
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absolute. And I, I also believe it's an,
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an expression of God, as I often say, God is truth, God is, is
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goodness and God is, is beauty. And and these have become my,
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my, my watchwords since I became a proper Christian, as opposed
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to a kind of a guy who went to confirmation classes at school
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and in order to get his godparents take him out for the
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day. And, you know, that kind of
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question and Christmas and maybe Easter had to push what?
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Once you become a proper Christian, you think about these
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things all the time. Where was I?
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Yeah. So I think this is a quality
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that that most of us genuine truth seekers share that we're
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kind of we're kind of humble in the face of of in terms of
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trying to find out how the world works.
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We're quite humble with it. Well, I don't know squat.
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I mean, I thought I did that. I thought I knew loads of
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things. You know, I mean, in my case, I
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went to Oxford. I'm an awfully clever chap and I
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had to discard all that and, and admit that I knew nothing.
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And, and OK, so I've acquired lots of interesting information
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on the way since my journey to the rabbit hole.
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You know, I mean, I'm, I'm pretty sure on the moon
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landings. I mean, I'm pretty sure a lot of
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lot of stuff. But I mean, I mean, I mean, I've
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been pretty sure of obscure stuff like like The Beatles
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being a Tavist. And the Israelites.
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The Israelites. Exactly.
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The Israelites. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And I think I am a descendant of the Israelites of one of the 12
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tribes. I mean, that's, that's quite
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exciting. So when I read the Psalms or
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when I recite the Psalms as I do every day, blessed are the
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people whose God is the Lord, and blessed are the folk that he
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hath chosen to him to be his inheritance.
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I think. Yeah, yeah.
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I'm one of the blessed. He's talking about me in that
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particular Psalm. Yeah, so I find this all
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interesting, but it's it's weird that there are among all these
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wonderful people, allies and things, there are undoubtedly a
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bunch of of traitors whose job is there to, well, not to spy on
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you and, and, and cause disruption and, and and so false
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trails. Limited hangout, controlled
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opposition. Yeah, but people who are
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actually there to under. Gatekeepers.
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Gatekeepers and, and, and worse. I mean, look, I don't generally,
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and I, I think, I think this is, I think calling out other people
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unduly is a bit of a tell, a tell that you're probably a
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wrong one. I mean wrong one is the word I
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use because I think, what if you're a genuine truth seeker?
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You're more interested in finding out the, the higher
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truths than you are in, in kind of pointing the figure figure
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finger at, at, at, at rivals or whatever.
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So I tend not to call people out.
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But for example, it, it's hard to, to do your rabbit hole the,
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the full course, the, the, the, the postgraduate course.
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I mean, maybe on the MA course or the BA course, you don't do
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this stuff. But by the time you do the sort
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of postgrad course, you know that Alex Jones is not I mean,
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he's entertaining, but he's not your he's not your friend.
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He's not your go to authority. He's he is limited hangout
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clearly, and he's probably that comedian whose name I keep
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forgetting. Whatever, I He's the comedian
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that Alex Jones used to be before he changed his.
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Oh, Bill Hayes. Bull.
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Bullock. Yeah, so Alice Jones, I'm pretty
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sure is, is formerly Bill Hicks, although he's changed his, his
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face shape again recently. I'm not sure who he is now, but
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they, they all wear masks and things, don't they?
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So you don't know. But him, for example.
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And of course, I, I, I famously after an encounter with him on
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my podcast called up David Icke because my further research
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suggested to me that look, there's, there's, there's too
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much, there's too much that doesn't stack up about, about,
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about Harry or. Hang on, I like.
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Austin *. I like David.
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Sorry, I'm just going to interrupt you for a second.
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I do like David and I do like that he has been consistent for
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decades, but I do struggle with some of some of his narratives.
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Yeah, he, look, somebody was was pointing this out about limited
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hangout control, the position, whatever.
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It's not the 95% of amazingly good stuff they say you want to
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worry about, it's the other 5%. And this is how it how it they,
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they wouldn't become credible figures in this realm if they
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were just talking rubbish all the time.
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So a lot of the stuff that comes out of David Icke is like, wow,
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he's so prescient and and yeah, you know, he was, he was mocked
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for this stuff and now he's been, yet again, he's been
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proved right. Same with Alex Jones.
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It's the 5% you need to worry about, but they're, they're
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worth calling out because they are figures of great
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significance. I mean, the, the, the, in, in
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terms of in the, in the outside world that that neighbourhood is
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but in, but in in sort of conspiracy circles, they are
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that they're heavy hitters. And I'm generally, I'm generally
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suspicious of heavy hitters in the conspiracy realm.
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But As for the lower level players, I mean people on my
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level, what people on my level are never going to get above a
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certain because we're so we're so incredibly heavily what
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what's the word de boosted and stuff.
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Somebody called Alex creels thinking slow has done a piece
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on the sub stack recently where he he cheques out.
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I don't know how he does it. He use he's an ex physicist so
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he presumably understands tech and stuff.
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But he worked out the time. I am 75% de boosted actually,
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oddly enough, the same amount as David Ike is which which which
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of course lends credence to the idea that that David Ike is, is
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real after all, the so one can never be totally sure, but but
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people like AIPAC, their account is massively boosted.
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Nigel Farage is boosted. All the sort of reform reform
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people are boosted. So you kind it kind of gives you
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an idea of what the powers that be, what messages they want
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suppressed and what they want promoted.
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How did we get there? What was I talking about?
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What were? You and I had a conversation on
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the phone a few nights ago, yeah.
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That's right. I was saying, yeah, I was saying
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that on my level, my lowly level I and I'm going to stay at this
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level, not by choice. I mean, I obviously love a
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bigger audience, but I'm never going to be get be able to get
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the audience I deserve and I do deserve it because I'm great,
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I'm entertaining and you know, I do, I do good chat.
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I'm never going to get that audience because I'm I'm just
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too dangerous. And luckily, luckily at the
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moment, although this may change, they find it more
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convenient to de boost me than they do to bump me off.
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So long may that continue. We were chatting about how some
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individuals in our space are shallow and don't they don't
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really dive into some of these topics.
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They kind of stay around the surface where it's safe.
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Are you safe? I know you've, you've, you've
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complained about this occasionally and I and I have a
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lot of sympathy for it. You've you've pointed out that
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you're one of the very, very few people to go public on
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questioning the the Holocaust numbers, for example, and the
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Holocaust details. And you've done brave.
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Well, you and I have have actually both been brave and
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we've both talked to William Fink who reckons that the Jesus
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wasn't Jewish, for example. Yeah, that, that's, that's.
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Quite a contention, but that's. But that's the weird thing.
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I had never considered that until I spoke to him, and I was
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so fascinated by the idea. You know, growing up Christian,
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this is what you're taught in all in every Protestant, pretty
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much in every church actually. And he presents a very
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compelling case. Well, he does, which is why I'm
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always saying that that Christianity is, is the last and
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biggest of the rabbit holes because there's so much.
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I mean, you could, you could just be a Christian conspiracy
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podcast and talk about nothing but the Bible and related
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related subjects. You wouldn't need to bother with
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moon landings or any of that. You could just do because it's
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all there, isn't it? I mean, all the really
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interesting stuff, the the stuff that explains everything like
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Genesis, whatever it is, Genesis 6, is it the the work explains
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about the, the Nephilim. I mean, that's kind of key that
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that that is the moment where it all goes wrong.
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Isn't it Where the Nephilim, but the where, where the fallen
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angels breed with the they find the daughters of men attractive
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and they breed with them. And then it all goes, it all
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goes tits up after that and and it gets hold on.
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It's so so the underlying themias many folks will go, oh,
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but I mean, who cares if Jesus was a Jew or who cares?
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Well, it matters to to me because I grew up in a Christian
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household and it matters to you. It matters because the truth
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matters. So if, for example, the sake of
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this argument, Jesus wasn't Jewish and everyone thinks he
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was Jewish, it's kind of important that we know that he
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wasn't Jewish. I mean, we're, we're simplifying
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artists. It's, it's much more complicated
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than that. It's about the, the translation
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of the word Judaoy. Judaoy.
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Have you have you pronounced the ancient Greek and about the
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translations, But this in itself and and so does it mean?
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What does the word Jew mean? I mean everyone's got this idea
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about the Jews, but what what is Judaism?
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It seems to me, as far as I've got on my research is that
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Judaism really is a post Christian phenomenon.
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That that it was devised in the Middle Ages by by by by the
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factions. The the the same factions that
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ultimately got Jesus crucified in the the 1st place of the
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campaign to get getting crucified with the with the
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Romans. And and that it that it, it
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draws on occult traditions dating back to the Babylonian
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mystery religions. So we've here, we've got
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something which is completely at odds with what, for example,
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millions of Zionist Christians in America think about.
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Because it because it completely influences American foreign
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policy. Yeah.
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So suddenly we've got, this is not trivial stuff.
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This is geopolitically massive. And you've got like, how many,
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how many Zionist Christians are there in America?
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Is it 20 million or more? No, no, no.
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I think it's more like 70 million or something. 70
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million, OK, so you've got 70 million Christians all in, in
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America alone thinking complete bollocks about the Bible.
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They, they, they've been talked into thinking that the Jews are
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God's chosen people, which they're not, because the people
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who are most of the people who are claiming to be God's chosen
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people aren't even descended from the children of Israel.
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They're, they're, who were, who were God's chosen people.
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They're, they're descended from the Canaanite tribes that, that,
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that God was constantly enjoining the children of Israel
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to destroy. Well, that's quite interesting.
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And it, if it's true and, and, and I'm happy for somebody else
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to come on and tell me. Well, you had that Fink
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character on the podcast, but he's talking bollocks.
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And here's why I'm, I'm open to that.
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But what I'm not open is people saying you can't talk about this
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stuff because of a, of a word we've invented called anti
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semitism. And, or, and we've drawn the
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line where, you know, you can't talk about 911 because that's an
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anti anti Semitic conspiracy trope and so on.
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And, and, and they've done this very successfully.
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The organisations like the ADL, which is, which is just an evil
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organisation, the Anti Defamation League, I mean just
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just wicked and and they got away with it mostly.
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The point that you're making, James, is that there are a lot
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of people in the alternative space covering all sorts of
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topics that that are relevant and that matter, but they are
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doing it very superficially so that they can play the
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algorithms safely. Yes, that's it.
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And there's an argument for there is an argument for doing
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that. I mean, for example, you've got
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people like somebody I'll mention people.
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I'm a fan of people like Ivor Cummins.
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Ivor Cummins Irishman, very good.
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He's been really good on exposing stuff like the fact
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that climate change was invented by the Rockefellers, which he
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which he in turn got from from Jacob Nordengaard.
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But but the point is he he's putting this stuff out there to
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a a semi normally audience which isn't quite ready for for some
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of the other stuff. Yeah, they are labelled.
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You got. You got to do it bit by bit.
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He he won't talk about chemtrails, whereas I will.
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And, and different, different podcasters have different lions
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in the sand, different areas where they were.
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Well, they have different rules of engagement.
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My, my rules of engagement are that I don't really have any.
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I'll, I'll just get away wherever is interesting because
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I mean, I suppose I wouldn't got wouldn't want to get the arse
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suit off me. But apart from that or or or or
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or shut down. But apart from that, I'm not
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going to, I'm not going to sense some sense of myself, but I am,
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I would be suspicious of people who are too dog magic about
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things and, and make rules saying you shouldn't talk about
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this because I have appointed myself the gatekeeper of the
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conspiracy world. So there's somebody out there
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who, well, there's quite a few people out there who say, oh,
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you should never talk about Flat Earth because that's just that
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just discredits our movement. Or there's somebody else.
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This is a bizarre one, somebody who gets really, really, really
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cross with people who talk about, I think about who
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suggests that the 9/11 buildings were brought down by high
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explosives, that they were wired.
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He wants, he want, his line is they were brought down by
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directed energy weapons. I think.
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And, and, and I'm thinking, well, I, I, I'm sympathetic to,
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to, to both, both arguments, but it's not a hill I'd particularly
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die on. And, and nor would I judge
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somebody on the on of being in one camp or the other.
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I'd just go, well, maybe, maybe more research needed or but I
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wouldn't make a rule saying anyone who says it wasn't a a
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directed energy weapon is is a per blind fool who is probably
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working for the enemy. I rather there's another another
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guy, for example, he he, he wrote this rather pompous list
26:10
of how to how to spot who's a goodie and a baddie or something
26:14
like that. And one of his one of his tells
26:18
was and people who have gold adverts on their podcasts.
26:25
Wait, I read that it wasn't Sobstack about the three camps.
26:29
Yeah, yeah. And I was thinking, well, I does
26:32
he mean me? Because I have, I have gold
26:34
adverts on my podcast and I'm thinking what's the rationale
26:38
behind that? Because anyone who has spent
26:42
anytime down the rabbit holes know, knows that you really need
26:46
to own gold and silver. And the, the, the reasons that
26:49
for that for that are, are obvious, especially when when
26:52
you learn how incredibly manipulated the markets are,
26:56
including, by the way, the gold and silver market.
26:57
But you But I don't think it's been a great secret for those of
27:02
us down the rabbit hole that that silver was going to go
27:07
parabolic. I mean, Cliff High, for example,
27:12
he has been talking about this on his crazy lovably wacky
27:15
podcast for years. I mean, I love Cliff.
27:17
I I don't agree with some of his stuff and I'm not I'm not
27:20
convinced about the alien stuff but but.
27:22
I've never been able to get him on my show.
27:24
You never have. I've spoken to him and he it's
27:29
the weirdest thing. He he, he just stopped
27:32
communicating with me and never replied again after that.
27:35
What you did wrong, I don't know.
27:38
I've had him on. I'm very jealous.
27:42
I like his word. Maybe maybe he wouldn't do me
27:45
now. Maybe I've I've I've crossed
27:46
some invisible line that that Cliff that that makes Cliff
27:50
think I'm no longer. I mean, I don't think he's he's
27:53
always not into God. He's he he thinks he's he's
27:56
aliens camp rather than God camp.
27:57
So maybe that's a that's a blocker.
28:00
But no, I don't feel at all embarrassed about having gold
28:06
ads on my podcast because I know that.
28:08
I mean, if you bought gold, physical gold and silver when I
28:13
first started doing them, you'd have, you'd have made AI mean
28:16
you'd double your money at least.
28:18
And I think although there's been AI, suppose they're calling
28:21
it a correction. Aren't they in the gold and
28:22
silver markets at the moment? It's so heavily, it's clear that
28:26
they've been selling particularly paper silver in
28:29
order to suppress the price. But I think the silver's going
28:33
to going to explode again. I mean, I'm not an expert.
28:36
This is just my sense. I've also heard that by the way.
28:41
What? The silver's going to yeah.
28:44
Silver's going to rock it, yeah. But the but the idea of just
28:47
just going back to the the point that that this guy, whoever he
28:51
is, I mean, can. It's so His name's David Hughes.
28:54
He's been on my show a few times, and I'm a great fan of
28:56
his work. Yeah.
28:58
And I I that article baffled me. Well, he had a go at you.
29:04
Yes, he did. Because you.
29:06
You. Went, I went to China and, and
29:08
apparently I'm now, I'm now also, I must be handled with,
29:12
you know, with suspicion. But yet he went, he went to
29:15
Spain and that was cool. Your eyes have got a bit slouchy
29:19
of late and and your skin has got a whatever yellow tinge and
29:22
you have you that that, that suit.
29:25
You've got the buttons up at the top with the with the collar.
29:28
You know that your mouth is. You know what's you know what's
29:33
you know what's you know what's, what's really weird about that
29:35
article is that it's all just speculative, right?
29:41
And, and it's also a weird attempt at trying to monopolise
29:46
the truth. Oh, I know the truth, guys.
29:50
And I can tell who is controlled and who is not controlled.
29:55
And I define these camps. And that in itself is a, is a
30:02
plagiarization. It's a, it's a variation of
30:04
ideas that have already been around for the last 100 years or
30:07
more. I mean, Norman, Norman Trump's
30:10
act, Norman Chomsky, Noam Chomsky spoke about this decades
30:13
ago. It's not a new idea, no.
30:16
Gnome paedophile Island Chomsky You're quoting you're you're
30:21
quoting favourably a known paedophile jam, so that.
30:24
Because, because, because the quote.
30:26
The quote is still relevant. It's so strange.
30:33
It's so strange how how people in particular you were talking
30:36
about in our in our sort of space, it's so weird how there's
30:41
so much bickering and how everybody wants to play power
30:45
games. Oh, I know more.
30:47
I know the truth. I know the truth and you don't.
30:51
I don't get the power game thing.
30:53
I don't this is this is not a boost, but I don't feel
30:58
threatened by anyone in my in in this sphere.
31:04
I don't I don't look across at you and think, oh, germ, what's
31:08
what's Germ up to? Oh, he's got this gig with UK
31:11
column. I wonder how I can I can I can
31:14
undermine him or I know if ever he phones me up asking for a
31:18
contact, I'll no, I don't I I just don't know.
31:22
I don't to be. Fair.
31:23
To be fair, I do judge you because, because, because you
31:27
hunt you. You you hunt foxes.
31:30
I do. And actually, no, actually no,
31:33
John, wait, wait. You make a good point there.
31:37
Fox hunting is an elite activity practised by Illuminati adjacent
31:44
people. That's now, isn't it?
31:48
And I never talk about it on my podcast.
31:50
Oh no, wait, I do. I don't.
31:54
I don't I maybe it's because I'm happy with my penis size and
31:59
some of these maybe. Not no.
32:01
But look, look, look, it's it's balanced out in the, in the very
32:06
first conversation. You're not, you're not ever had
32:08
and I've never forgotten it. You spoke about going shark cage
32:11
diving here in South Africa. Remember that.
32:13
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so, So listen, anybody who
32:16
gets into a cage to go and look at sharks has got hair on his
32:21
arms. There's no doubt about that.
32:23
Well, do you know what this is? This is actually I, I, I, I pity
32:27
my, my poor family. One of the few things I've kept
32:34
from my, my old, the old world I used to live in is that I, I've
32:40
always placed quite a high premium on personal courage
32:45
because I've always feared being a coward more than just slightly
32:50
more than I feared being brave. And it gets me into all sorts of
32:54
scrapes. I mean, you know, I, I, I broke
32:56
my finger the other day, the hunting just on the, on the, the
33:00
saddle pulled it, it, it, there was a racehorse and it pulled so
33:04
hard that it break my finger and I carried on.
33:09
But I, I dosed myself with, with, with alcohol because I
33:12
thought that's the sort of thing that a champ does.
33:14
You know, you, you that actually it was quite, it's quite
33:18
dangerous, I think, hunting with a broken finger because you
33:20
really need your fingers to, to manipulate the, the horses are
33:24
very sensitive and you, you, it, it, it cramps your style if
33:28
you're not. But I carried on because I
33:30
thought something in me said, well, this is the sort of thing
33:33
that a chap who goes hunting should do that, that you should
33:36
be brave. And the same with the same with
33:37
the great white shark. My fear at the time, my biggest
33:40
fear at the time was sharks. So I thought, well, what do you
33:43
do? You, you've got to confront your
33:45
fear and the, the, the other, the other thing that I've
33:51
carried over from that period of my life.
33:52
So I know, I know we're, we're kind of digressing here, but I
33:54
quite like the way I can digress with you is that from a very
34:00
early age, I, I, I think I may have told you this before I
34:05
became convinced that people could tell whether I was,
34:09
whether I was lying. People could see into my head
34:11
and see whether I was lying. So I never made any, any effort
34:14
to lie. I just thought, well, why would
34:17
I lie when they could? They, they can tell when I'm
34:18
when I'm lying. And so I was sort of became a
34:24
kind of compulsive truth truth teller.
34:28
It's not that I've never lied and there's not like I, I don't
34:31
lie on occasion. I really makes people
34:33
uncomfortable and I and I try not to because I think generally
34:36
the truth is better. And maybe, you know, when I
34:40
asked myself, how did I end up doing this crazy stuff that I'm
34:43
doing? Why, why me?
34:45
Maybe there's two quantities being sort of like afraid of
34:49
being afraid of being a coward and telling the truth.
34:56
Maybe these sort of help explain why I ended up doing it.
35:02
Yes, but I was making the point that going short cage diving
35:07
takes a lot of courage. I live in South Africa and I've
35:09
never gone cage diving. I I just can't bring myself to
35:13
doing it. But here's the weird thing, I
35:19
suppose. Actually, that is, is it such a
35:21
weird thing when you do it? It feels quite when you bite the
35:26
bullet. It's not as scary as you think
35:28
it's going to be. But actually I was thinking
35:29
about, it's the same with all activities.
35:31
It's not when it goes, right, That's the problem.
35:33
It's it's when it goes. It's when it goes wrong and you
35:40
can do nothing. You could do nothing.
35:43
You're absolutely right. Those sharks could trash the
35:46
cage. I mean, particularly the kind of
35:48
cage I was in, which were designed by sort of eco eco
35:52
warriors not to hurt the shark they had sort of they were.
35:54
It was round. No, but that's not that's not my
35:59
fear, James. My fear is not the sharks,
36:01
weirdly enough. My fear is the cage breaking and
36:06
sinking and you can't get out. Yeah, that wouldn't be fun.
36:10
I've, I, I think you go through all these scary thoughts in your
36:14
head, don't you? It's, well, what, what is it?
36:18
That that that Francis Bacon or the L of Oxford said A a a a
36:23
coward dies his death 1000 * A a brave man never tastes of death,
36:28
but once something like that and it's it's it's true.
36:31
I think most of us are cowards in our heads and we're
36:34
constantly dying 1000 deaths because.
36:38
But it's the, it's the thought of drowning that that is just so
36:41
horrible. You know, there are other other
36:43
things that we do that are dangerous, that we're OK with,
36:45
but it's water that changes the game.
36:48
Oh it does it it it does. Although weirdly I I had this
36:54
formative experience where I did almost drown as a child.
36:58
I was when I was about, I'd know 5 or 4 before I could swim.
37:07
We went on holiday somewhere like the Algarve or somewhere
37:10
and I was going around as a, like a cheeky little kid pushing
37:14
Grown Ups into the water. And they were probably going,
37:17
oh, it was pretending and stuff. And then a nasty little kid did
37:22
the same to me and pushed me in the water.
37:24
And I remember going down and down and down and sort of sink
37:29
and, and it was terrifying. But by the time I was in the
37:33
bottom of the pool, I, I sort of a calm and had set in and
37:39
somebody, somebody dived in to rescue me.
37:43
And I remember this is how, how different things were in the
37:49
1970s or, or the late 60s even may have been the, my parents.
37:56
I, I didn't get to hospital or anything like that.
37:58
I just remember the remember being in my parents bedroom and
38:00
just face down on the bed with them pumping my back and pumping
38:04
the water out. That was it, that that child had
38:08
almost drowned. But I remember a sort of a
38:12
serenity descending on me as I, as I sort of swallow it, inhaled
38:19
all the water. But there's an, there's an
38:23
interesting psychology. So, I mean, some might say, oh,
38:26
you guys are just talking such nonsense, who cares?
38:30
And they're right. However, when you do what we do
38:36
and you tap into the deepest, darkest truths of the world, you
38:43
also become more appreciative of things like going into the ocean
38:47
and going out into nature and doing things that actually
38:52
matter and hoping that others would too.
38:55
I think this, I think what you say is, is, is so important.
38:58
And I think about this every time I go walking the dog in the
39:03
mornings, for example. I, I, I think when you, once you
39:08
realise the extent to which the weather is manipulated, the way
39:12
that our skies are spread with poisons with, with chemtrails
39:16
and stuff, and that HARP machines and next route radar
39:22
devices and stuff are used to control the manipulate the
39:27
ionosphere and change weather patterns.
39:30
And the way that, that there's almost no wind, for example, it,
39:35
it's like being in the wind tunnel now constantly.
39:37
It's not real wind. It's not, it's not the wind that
39:39
God, that God made. This is a kind of satanic
39:44
simulacrum, simulacrum of God's creation, which which actually
39:47
is, is, is the Bible story as well.
39:49
The, the, the devil cannot create.
39:51
You can imitate. He can imitate and, and, and
39:53
you've got devil servants now using, using their evil
39:59
technology to, to kind of change the weather, weather which
40:03
which, which was previously God's God's domain.
40:06
It was his creation, not not man's creation.
40:08
Now it's man made and you see the stuff and you think.
40:12
It makes you much more appreciative of what, of the
40:16
actual natural world, what, what, what is, what is the, the
40:20
things that are that are somehow surviving this satanic plot to,
40:24
to make everything artificial. And of course, as the years go
40:29
by, they're ramping everything up.
40:32
I think it's, I mean, even before I became a a crazed
40:37
conspiracy theorist, I was naturally drawn to things that
40:41
were old, handcrafted, beautiful.
40:44
I think a lot of us are. It was why we go and see half
40:48
timbered houses and stuff and and and and castles and stuff.
40:52
It was, it's interesting seeing how how craftsmanship and stone
40:58
masonry we're going to going into cathedrals and stuff.
41:01
I think a lot of us are drawn to cathedrals and and mediaeval
41:03
churches and stuff. It does make you more as we lose
41:11
the the God created world to these these evil forces.
41:16
It does make you more appreciative of of of the of the
41:19
natural wonders that that are all around us.
41:24
And I did a episode recently, absolutely fascinating and
41:30
nobody really cares. Weird enough, maybe you might
41:32
actually was the guy called Chris Dobson and he is a master
41:39
armourer and he has spent his. Entire life you've got Chris
41:43
Dobson. I think yes, I should, I, I
41:47
should get him on my podcast sometime.
41:48
I I I think you're right. It's wonderful, absolutely
41:51
wonderful, wonderful. Yes.
41:53
And he, he, he busts the myth of the knight in shining armour and
42:02
it goes way beyond that. And it's so interesting how he
42:04
talks about the Masonic influences in the armour trade
42:07
and it's huge. In in the current armour trade
42:12
or the the the the Well, it's been like that for a long time.
42:19
Did you sorry, did you see? Have you been watching the The
42:25
Game of Thrones spin off about the The Night?
42:28
I stopped when it started. It was I couldn't.
42:32
It was just terrible. I know I love it.
42:34
It it, it, it's charming because it because it hasn't got quite
42:37
that sort of that viciousness of of OK, which I, which I and it's
42:43
charming. I like the I like the bald kid
42:44
and stuff the bald. But what about it?
42:47
Sorry. But what about it?
42:51
Well, you won't have got this far because you because you
42:53
never saw it. But I, I think about the 5th
42:56
episode there, there was a fantastic recreation of of
43:00
mediaeval combat. And it's the there are scenes
43:04
where it it, it, it, it you, you, you see it from the point
43:07
of view of, of the knight in his helmet and what he can actually
43:10
see. And and you can see the swinging
43:12
Mace and the and the, the, the Lance coming towards you and,
43:16
and stuff like this. And I was thinking it must have
43:21
been really talk about bravery to been a knight in those days.
43:27
I mean, they didn't have, I mean obviously they didn't have
43:33
antibiotics and stuff like that, but that doesn't matter so much.
43:35
But they I I can't imagine surgical skills were quite as
43:38
good back then as they were, and you wouldn't have had
43:42
anaesthetics either. So I happen to think that people
43:49
perhaps in the mediaeval era, as well as going further back
43:52
thousand years ago, whatever, I honestly think that in many ways
43:56
they were healthier than what we are today.
43:58
Yes, and this has been suppressed.
44:03
This, this is this is one of the many arguments I've I, I, I can
44:08
never win with my wife who who believes in modern medicine and
44:12
stuff. And she she, she's constantly
44:14
pointing, pointing towards this well, as as most, most normies
44:18
do, pointing back. Did you just call your wife a
44:24
normie? Mind you, it is given to few to
44:29
be as far down the rabbit hole as I am.
44:32
So, yeah, I mean, he's not like he's not like he's not.
44:36
Yeah, she could be worse. But but yeah, she she she still
44:43
thinks that She still thinks that.
44:47
Well, she does. Whenever I try and give her a
44:49
book about Rockefeller medicine, it's over origins.
44:51
She she she doesn't go. Oh yeah.
44:54
I really want to read this this 800 page book about.
44:59
What is? What is James doing now?
45:02
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I think actually, you know,
45:04
I, I think, I think in a way it's, it's, it's a much better
45:06
way. We just one just does one's
45:08
podcast and yeah, she lives her life and I, I live mine.
45:12
I mean in, in terms of of conspiracies and things.
45:16
But you were you were going to tell me something about them
45:19
being healthier 1000 years ago. Well, you see, I, I just think
45:23
it, it's quite hard to find evidence of how much healthier
45:27
people were because I think it's been suppressed to a degree.
45:33
But it just, it just seems obvious that they were.
45:36
It seems obvious that they were. Well, they, they didn't, they
45:40
weren't, they weren't jammed for one thing.
45:43
I mean, you, you, you must have had Sasha Letipova on, on your
45:48
show. She's very good on this.
45:50
And she Rams home the point again and again that that people
45:54
talk about food allergies and about, Oh yeah, and you mustn't
45:58
eat wheat because of this and that and, and they've changed
46:01
the strains of wheat and stuff and, and you mustn't eat, eat
46:04
seed oils because they're bad and they're, they're ultra
46:07
processed and stuff. And she says, forget about that
46:10
stuff. They, it is all trivially true,
46:13
but it doesn't, it doesn't get to the roots of the problem,
46:15
which is vaccines. Vaccines create this this this
46:21
lifelong problem because you're not meant to be penetrated by
46:24
this this needle which injecting foreign substances into into
46:28
your into into your muscles or into your veins because it has
46:34
an effect, a lifelong effect and they didn't have those in
46:38
mediaeval times. What are some of your most
46:42
memorable interviews? Well, I mean the one that people
46:54
still talk about. We and I and I credit credit to
46:57
the sheep farm boys because they were the ones to discover him.
47:02
But the, the, the psycho psychiatrist, psychotherapist
47:07
from Arizona who worked out that the, the prisoners in this
47:14
hospital way worked or the, OR the hospital, the idea, the ones
47:20
suffering from paranoid schizophrenia that the voices in
47:25
in their heads were not imaginary, that they were, they
47:29
were real. They're they're, they're
47:30
demonic. And that, that encouraging them
47:33
to say the 23rd Psalm could get rid of these, these demons that
47:38
I, I think that was a pretty, that was a pretty landmark.
47:42
You want, I think it, I think it turned a lot of people to God
47:46
because they thought, well, the supernatural clearly exists and
47:50
there clearly are demons around us.
47:54
I mean, I don't I really don't get the this is how far far down
48:00
the Rabbi Holland I I really can't understand people who who
48:04
don't don't know that demons exist and that they are
48:07
everywhere. I I just think it's weird not
48:10
not knowing this. I think it's a weird sort of
48:12
denialism that how duh, I mean, and, and particularly when,
48:19
when, when these people are, are, are are ministers in the
48:23
church that the, the ones who, who, who say, well, of course,
48:28
when Jesus talked about casting out evil spirits, it was a
48:33
metaphor what for, for what we now call mental health issues.
48:38
No, no, Jesus knew what he was doing.
48:41
He knew he was casting out actual demons because they are
48:44
everywhere. What's another memorable 1?
48:49
Well, I'm unhealthily drawn to the ones where you talk to
49:02
insider members of the the Satanic Brotherhood or the
49:07
Illuminati. I agree with you, that is very
49:10
interesting stuff. It just is.
49:12
I mean, Jesse's Sabota, she's if she's real and if she's not
49:18
real, she's got the best imagination in Podcastum because
49:25
she's got this incredibly detailed understanding of how
49:32
whatever they're called, the order, the brotherhood, the
49:37
mothers of darkness, the, the whole setup, the kind of the,
49:43
the Luciferian stroke, satanic setup by which the world is, is
49:47
truly governed. Or at least the, the, the, the,
49:50
the organisations that the elites or the cabal or the
49:54
predator classes, I call them, or somebody, somebody
49:57
plagiarised that phrase the other day and made it their own.
50:00
The, the, the people that they look up to.
50:04
You know, if, if, if, if you're George HW Bush, for example,
50:08
you're not, you're not frightened of, of, of the lower,
50:11
the lower people that you're busily, busily getting
50:14
assassinated or stuff. But there are people above that
50:18
level that he looks up to and, and, and respects and, and, and
50:23
is frightened of. And when you hear about these
50:26
people, it's quite interesting. I mean, for example, there's
50:32
somebody I follow called Veronica Swift.
50:38
Her essays are very interesting. And she sometimes has has links
50:43
which take you even deeper down the rabbit hole.
50:46
And it was in one of these links that I discovered this book,
50:50
which is very interesting, which planes see, you're familiar
50:55
with. You know, the thing, the thing
50:57
the people like you and me are always are, are asking is who
51:00
really runs the world? So is it the 13 satanic
51:04
bloodline families, according to Fritz Springmeyer, though,
51:07
they're actually 14 bloodlines, according to Jesse, because
51:13
there's a 14th there's a sort of Muslim bloodline.
51:17
Or is it other, as others argue, is it, is it the, the Black
51:22
Nobility? Or is it, you know, what about
51:26
the, the, the I came across this one the other day, the 13 Jewish
51:32
central banker bloodlines that behind the Federal Reserve and
51:35
so on. Are they the ones who really run
51:37
the world and so on and so forth.
51:41
And what this book said is that there is a tear above the level
51:49
of the 13 bloodlines. The 13 bloodlines are just kind
51:52
of like servants of the of of the upper tier and the upper
51:58
tier. Guess where it's based?
52:02
The upper tier of the Illuminati.
52:04
I would just have a take a wild guess.
52:06
According to this book anyway. London.
52:10
No, no, not not actually Think, Think much further east.
52:15
Rome. Nope, further is than that which
52:20
is this is so we're told, Rome, London, Washington, the the
52:26
centres of of sort of the military, global power, the
52:32
financial power and religious power.
52:36
Apparently it predates Adam the Illuminati predates Adam
52:42
Weishaupt in the, in the late 18th century.
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And it can be traced back to the, to the Middle East and that
52:54
the, the headquarters of the true Illuminati is Medina.
53:00
And that, that, that that it's somehow related to the, the
53:05
assassins, you know, the the and what else did it say about this
53:12
stuff? Oh, yeah.
53:14
This is the reason the Shriners who are or or what they're above
53:20
33rd degree masonry out there that, that this weird sort of
53:26
paedophilic sect and big in America.
53:30
They, This is why they wear fezzes in, in honour of their,
53:34
of their kind of Middle Eastern. I don't know.
53:39
I mean, I, I, I, I, I find this stuff interesting because it's
53:44
like, Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, tell me more.
53:46
And it may be that I I have somebody on my podcast who says
53:49
now this is bollocks. It's just, you know, she's she's
53:53
she's she's got the wrong end of the stick.
53:54
Actually, it's so and so that's that's the joy about being on
53:58
the quest of the truth that you're open minded and brings
54:02
brings you back to the original point.
54:04
People. I, one is always looking for
54:07
tells, Who can I trust and who can I not trust?
54:10
I think this, this open mindedness is a, is a, is a sign
54:14
generally that somebody can be trusted that if they're too
54:18
dogmatic, too certain, because how can they be so certain?
54:22
And if they're keen to close you down for saying things, that's
54:25
a, that's a tell. And if in fact they're if
54:30
they're keen to close you down full stop, that that I would, I
54:34
would say is a is a tell. So I don't know.
54:38
Look, the guy you mentioned thingy David Hughes, I don't
54:43
know why he calls himself doctor.
54:45
I I if I if I if I'd become a if I'd become a a conspiracy
54:50
theorist, having been in normal world, I think I would I
54:53
wouldn't be flaunting my old world credentials from from a
54:57
corrupt world. But but anyway, what whatever.
55:02
What did you do the I've lost my I've lost my thread.
55:07
I was I was going to make a point about something he he said
55:11
or did. It eludes me.
55:13
I mean anyway. OK, well, it'll come back to you
55:16
maybe, but I've been dying to ask you.
55:19
I was asking you about your most memorable conversations.
55:22
Do you have an absolute worst one that you go Nah, that was
55:26
just a complete waste of time. Yeah, I especially in the don't
55:32
forget that my podcasting pre dates, long pre dates, my
55:40
journey down the rabbit hole. So for example, back in the day,
55:45
I used to be a massive Israel fan.
55:47
I used to think Israel was just bloody great.
55:48
I, I used to, I was, I was cheering for the for the, for
55:52
Israelis retrospectively in the, in the six day war in 1973 when
55:56
I started because I believed all the narrative.
55:58
I I, I believe the stories about how plucky little bastion of
56:02
Western civilization surrounded by evil, towel headed, you know,
56:08
sort of primitives, death cultists and and so on.
56:14
I, I believe there were stories in it.
56:15
Yeah. Like, isn't it wonderful the way
56:17
the Israelis treat even they, they treat enemy terrorists,
56:21
they treat them in their hospitals and, and, and they
56:23
are, they love us and they're that they're like us, but but
56:27
kind of more special because they're chosen.
56:29
Yeah, I believe all this stuff. And so I, I did a podcast with
56:34
a, with the Israeli guy, sort of inviting, inviting him to tell
56:39
me how wonderful Israel was. And then I did that funny guy
56:43
who lives in somewhere like Spain talking about Nessara,
56:47
Jessara, Quantum. I don't know.
56:53
I I I found the David Icke almost my most uncomfortable
57:00
experience just because my medium and love is, is, is
57:06
conversation. I like, I like conversation that
57:08
flows and I like digressions and stuff.
57:11
And I think you might agree with me on this or even though you're
57:13
more of a fan of him than I am, he's quite leaden and sludgy.
57:16
He's not very quick on his feet. You, you can't.
57:18
You can't have too afraid and. Yeah, so I've, I've had him on
57:24
my show a number of times, but the problem is that, yeah,
57:28
you're right, he's not very conversational.
57:30
I think I'll say hi and that's that.
57:33
I can sit back, I can take, I can turn off my microphone and
57:36
he'll do the whole hour on his own.
57:38
Yeah, which which which I I find kind of kind of boring.
57:43
I mean, I'm not, I've learned not to interrupt at every point,
57:51
but when somebody just delivers a monologue, it's like listening
57:57
to, I was going to say, talking to Ike.
58:00
It's like, it's like like a like a jukebox.
58:04
You you push the button. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
58:08
So, so, so I don't know if you remember when I was at TNT.
58:12
In fact, of course you do, because you, you came on a few
58:14
times onto my show. But TNT was live radio and it
58:18
there were there were ad breaks and I had to stop David like
58:24
Dave, Dave, Dave, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
58:26
Hold that thought. I've got to go to an ad break.
58:30
You were trying to stop the oil tanker.
58:34
It's very hard, Yeah. But yeah, I was going to say
58:38
that extending my, my, my, my, my metaphor of of the of the
58:45
jukebox instead of a single with David.
58:48
It's like a kind of, it's like you put on Tales of Topographic
58:53
Oceans or something. You put on this this double
58:56
concept album. It's like when you when you take
59:06
your dog for a walk and you and you arrive at an open field and
59:08
you take the leash off and you say go well.
59:13
Yeah. I mean, maybe some people like
59:15
that say it saves the effort, but but yeah, I don't know.
59:20
I my, my, my general view on, on just sum it up on who's a goodie
59:27
and who's a baddie is I, I look out for tells, but I don't, and
59:34
I use those tells to, to make me sort of more suspicious, but I
59:37
don't, I don't stop listening to the person in case they've got
59:39
useful information that I think that they might have to impart.
59:45
And generally I think it's, it's, it's the job of God to
59:48
judge these people rather than us.
59:51
And I didn't say that in a pious way.
59:52
I just, I just think I've got better things to do and more
59:56
interesting things to talk about than take potshots at people
1:00:02
that in the great scheme of things, I don't actually think
1:00:06
about them very much. I mean, they may think about me
1:00:08
a lot. It may it may occupy their every
1:00:10
waking hour that that James Stanning pole is.
1:00:13
I'm so jealous of him or I don't know.
1:00:15
I do. I want to take him down or put
1:00:17
him in his place. But I didn't.
1:00:19
I didn't. I didn't harbour those feelings
1:00:20
towards anyone else. Even even you, Jim.
1:00:24
Not even you Do I feel threatened about even though
1:00:26
you. Oh.
1:00:28
Bless you. Thank you James, but I still
1:00:30
have a feelings against you because of your fox hunting.
1:00:34
Yeah, I know, I know, I know how strong you feel about animal
1:00:36
rights and. No, no, no.
1:00:38
What I feel strongly about is you got to do real hunting.
1:00:41
When are you going to come join me for an African hunt?
1:00:44
I, I I'll do it. I just I think it's slightly gay
1:00:47
using using guns rather than hands.
1:00:52
How else do you hunt with a bow and arrow?
1:00:55
You can do that, but yeah. Let the hounds do it.
1:01:00
Oh, and that's not gay. And I don't even I don't even
1:01:06
have a horse. I just walked through the Bush.
1:01:07
You. You you coming hunting and you'd
1:01:10
somehow sort of slip a a a a pistol, an automatic into your
1:01:17
and you'd be wondering else with thought of this and why they
1:01:21
would. There'll be nothing left.
1:01:22
There'll be nothing left. So how can my audience follow
1:01:25
you? Oh yeah, so I, I do a podcast
1:01:30
called the Dilling Pod and it's at the usual places.
1:01:33
I mean, it's everywhere. I'm not banned.
1:01:36
I, I, it doesn't get much coverage, I don't think on
1:01:38
YouTube, but it's on Spotify and, and stuff.
1:01:41
And I've got a sub stack and I'm on Patreon and yeah.
1:01:45
You're a great writer. Oh yeah, I haven't been writing
1:01:48
much so much because of because of my thumb and stuff my my
1:01:51
finger and stuff. But but but yes, I thank you.
1:01:53
That's really kind. I appreciate it.
1:01:57
All right, James Denim Pole, thank you for joining me in the
1:02:00
trenches. Thank you.
1:02:01
That's great.