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- 0:00I don't think the bets can really raise a lot more. I mean,
- 0:04the thought is that they're going to reverse, and I believe that one of
- 0:07the things that's going to force their hand other than just demand destruction more Middle
- 0:12Americans getting brushed by debt by an inflation that you and I talked about this
- 0:17on your previous sure shows that that inflation is held at about twenty percent increase
- 0:24over what it was three years ago. You were listening to Carrie Let's's Financial
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- 0:46Financial Survival Network now more than ever. Ed. Welcome, you are
- 0:55listening to watching the Financial Survival Network. I'm your host, Carrie Lets.
- 0:59Well, hey, we're in the third week of January. Here we got
- 1:03good news on the consumer sentiment front. Consumer sentiment has got up last couple
- 1:10of months, is not enough to combat the rising credit card to higher foreclosures,
- 1:17weaker earnings by banks. David Wright is with us now financial expert and
- 1:23David's great to have you back on the show. So what are you making
- 1:26of all these rosy numbers here on consumer sentiment and spending and such? Is
- 1:34it too little, too late? Kerry? Thanks for having me back,
- 1:37appreciate it, toys great to talk with you. I think that the numbers
- 1:42are indicative of consumer habits. Did they like to spend money? And I
- 1:49think people as long as they have room in their credit card balances to continue
- 1:55to use their credit to feel happy about the fact fact that they've that the
- 2:01inflation picture, at least on paper, looks like it's coming down in the
- 2:06right direction. The stock market has certainly exhibited those behaviors of the belief that
- 2:15they think the Feds are going to start reducing higher interest rates, which is
- 2:22going to reduce strain on banks, reduce credit card debt down the road,
- 2:28perhaps open up the housing market. So from the last report Herey University of
- 2:35Michigan consider where sentiment increase was thirteen percent. People viewing their own personal situation
- 2:43an improvement of thirteen percent, going from sixty nine point seven on the index
- 2:49up to seventy eight point eight percent on the index. People's opinion of outlook
- 2:55on near term business conditions up thirteen percent on that as well. They're reading
- 3:02however, on people's outlook on longer term business conditions was a point below that
- 3:09well, plus twelve percent. So not quite as bullish on the longer term
- 3:15outlook, because let's get real, this is an election year and there's still
- 3:21a lot of variables out there with what's going on in our world, all
- 3:25right, So where does that leave us? Here? Is the economy expanding
- 3:31lower registrates, is it going to make any difference or we kind of locked
- 3:37in here? I think for right now, the economy is basically going to
- 3:45stay at a stalemate right now, as long as the Feds stay higher for
- 3:50longer, which they of course have given different signals. The problem is with
- 3:58this federal reserve system. With every Fed president having their day to talk to
- 4:03the press, they each have their own opinions on how they believe they're going
- 4:11to vote as far as increases, decreases, or staying the satine throughout the
- 4:16rest of the year. I believe personally with the data that I've read,
- 4:21we've gone from a first it was three rate reductions, then the market started
- 4:28baking in five to six rate reductions by the end of the year, and
- 4:33now Carrie, just in the last few days, I'm starting to read news
- 4:40about perhaps a hold, if not wait till June or even third quarter before
- 4:46they would even begin to reduce rates. I even't heard somebody bostic, I
- 4:50think it was the FED President Bostick mentioned that there might even be a rate
- 4:58hike this year. There's so many mixed signals out there, and I think
- 5:02the reality is we just have the things that the FEDS look for. Low
- 5:10unemployment. We have very low unemployment right now that continues at three point seven
- 5:15percent. We certainly have stabilized inflation. It's gone down from nine point one
- 5:23all the way back down to I think the core CPI carried he was in
- 5:28the mid threes three one to three five ish, three point five ish.
- 5:31And I know the Fed their target mandate is two percent, so they're not
- 5:35quite there yet. My guess is, with still six trillion dollars of cash
- 5:44sitting out there waiting to be spent, either by consumers or by corporations and
- 5:49pension funds, that there's still going to be some chance of a robust market.
- 5:57But where will the Where's the Fed going to go? Are they going
- 6:02to devote political like they have in the past. Are they going to help
- 6:08the stock market out by lowering rates, which we believe would definitely help the
- 6:15market continue to show a rise in the new year. Or do they basically
- 6:19say, hey, if we'ren't five and a quarter to five and a half
- 6:23percent on the federal funds rate and the stock market had a record year last
- 6:29year, now, yes, it was propped up by these mag seven stocks,
- 6:34why would we reduce rates right now? If everything's looking of better,
- 6:40lower unemployment, stock market's doing well, Maybe the Fed just says, you
- 6:44know what, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. We're going to
- 6:46hold higher for longer, and we're going to wait and see if we can
- 6:50create more demand destruction of the middle class. And the reality is there is
- 6:57demand destruction going on right now with middle class as far as credit card borrowing
- 7:02amounts spiking in the last order revolving credit up nineteen point five billion last order.
- 7:12Foreclosure activity on houses increases From twenty twenty two we had three hundred and
- 7:17twenty four thousand forclosures in twenty two. In twenty twenty three we had three
- 7:24hundred and fifty seven thousand so that number has increased more people for closing going
- 7:31out of their mortgages. So I don't know. You tell me, well,
- 7:36if I knew that, I would give up my computer, here,
- 7:43my keyboard for a crystal ball. But certainly it looks like well, I
- 7:49remember the late great Alan Abelson, editor in chief of Barons, used to
- 7:55say, the Federal Reserve is doing what it does best, and that's elect
- 8:00thing a president. Right for the more aesthetical on you, Yet there you
- 8:05go. I never quote, but yeah, yeah, I don't think the
- 8:11bets can really raise a lot more. I mean, the talk is that
- 8:15they're going to reverse, and I believe that one of the things that's going
- 8:18to force their hand other than just demand destruction more middle Americans getting brushed by
- 8:24debt by an inflation that you and I talked about this on your previous Sure
- 8:30shows that that inflation is held at about twenty percent increase over what it was
- 8:35three years ago. The rate of acceleration has declined, but certainly inflation has
- 8:41held the twenty percent. So the question that I think the Feds are going
- 8:46to have to ask themselves is staying higher for longer is going to rear its
- 8:50uplove the head with banking in our country. I think the larger banks,
- 8:56all their eargenings were public last week. I believe a lot of the ease
- 9:01the biggest kneing Jpmorium Chase, and the Bank of America a lot of their
- 9:05earnings. But that's understandable because they all had to pay this fbiic settlement check
- 9:13for the bailout last year, so they all got hit with that syrtax.
- 9:18But still, even despite that, these larger banks that are kind of too
- 9:24big to fail banks not as worried about them, but their earnings were kind
- 9:28of lackluster. Most of them were a little lower. I think the FEDS
- 9:31are going to think about it. The four thousand loss regional banks that are
- 9:37out there that can't really take a lot more squeeze on their net interest margins,
- 9:43the difference between what they pay their depositors and what they make on their
- 9:46own loans. I don't think the Feds can squeeze a lot more on interest
- 9:52rate heights or holding higher for a lot longer. I think at some point
- 9:56they want the American consumers belief in the financial system to remain there long term,
- 10:03so I think I think we'll get our array reductions, but I think
- 10:07it's going to be more towards the middle to late later part of the year.
- 10:11But depending upon political pressures. You you just pointed one out, I
- 10:18think we'll see. So they're just going to put it off for as long
- 10:22as they possibly can hunt I think so. I think that's what they'll do.
- 10:26Personally, there's too much I don't have my dot plot up here to
- 10:33take a look at it, but there's enough difference of opinions from one side
- 10:37to the other side of the FED that it's tough to to really decide which
- 10:43way they're going to go with it. At this point, it's hard to
- 10:46read owls which way he's going to go with it. But for one thing
- 10:52for sure, Carrie, it's definitely a tightrope walk between making the right and
- 10:58the wrong move. And I don't even know if they're is a right or
- 11:00wrong move. You create artificial money and stimulus, it's tough to walk that
- 11:07stuff back without having consequences. Yeah, once you released the inflation genie from
- 11:13the bottle, it's yes, it's hard to get it back in and clearly
- 11:16they've done that. So what about the thirty five trillion in debt that we've
- 11:22accumulated with no end in sight. Yeah, you tell me. I mean,
- 11:28we just keep kicking that can down the road. I think the estimates
- 11:31are a trillion per year of interest just to service that debt. And you
- 11:37know you can't. You can't continually spend six point five trillion and only bring
- 11:43in four point four four point five trillion in revenues. Now, I will
- 11:50say this obviously in their assessment of the Trump presidency and the debt that was
- 11:56created during his administration, when you look closer at the numbers, I think
- 12:03recently I've been hearing a lot about the trillion he created during his time in
- 12:07office. But when you really keep behind those numbers, carry four trillion of
- 12:11that was COVID relief, and you know, his hand was forced in that
- 12:16we needed help. Money was printed. The other half of that came from
- 12:22his tax cut corporate America from thirty five percent down to twenty one percent,
- 12:28which you know generated a lot less tax revenue for the federal government. They
- 12:31were already spending that money, so that created part of the deficit during the
- 12:37Trump administration. The question is moving forward, Well, you know, I
- 12:43guess I'll interview you. What do you think they're going to do? Yeah,
- 12:46well, way that data. My gut feel is they'll put off the
- 12:50cut for longer than the markets expecting because they got big basically rates, the
- 12:56hot long term rates have come down. They've got enough leeway between the two
- 13:03year treasury and the Fed funds rate, so there's no impetus there. So
- 13:09I think they'll just let it go maybe another month or two, who knows,
- 13:13but they'll let it go another month or two then expected, but eventually
- 13:20they'll cut if they see the market weakening. I think they'll just start cutting.
- 13:24And they could say, well, we haven't changed anything. We told
- 13:28you we were going to cut. And their initial forecast is for three cuts.
- 13:33I've seen people say six cuts. Like you said, who knows what
- 13:37it's going to be. You're dealing with the Federal Reserve, and even though
- 13:41they try to tell you what they're going to do, it never quite works
- 13:45out the way they say it's going to right right, I think if you
- 13:50look at this, if you look at the notes after each of the Federal
- 13:54Reserve meetings, you wonder where the market bakes in these future rate cuts from
- 14:03reading the notes, because it Powell uses language like it's likely we will do
- 14:07this. However, we're not going to, you know, reduce rates unless
- 14:15blah blah blah blah. So it's all in interpretation. And I think if
- 14:20the market it's sense that there's any chance of something, they're already bacon in
- 14:24the stimulus and roll in the dice, knowing that it's an all eleuction year,
- 14:31like you said, and rolling with the fact that the studs will fall
- 14:35right in line. And then the root in the fear of that is we
- 14:39might be right back where we were ten to twelve months out. Maybe not,
- 14:45but it could reignite inflation if they do that. Now, I'm not
- 14:50trying to be Debbie Downer. It boys sounds like I am, but yeah,
- 14:52I'm just trying to say that, you know, if they they reduce
- 14:56rates, yes, it'll help fuel the market even further, but it may
- 15:00also fuel the consumer consumer who spends money they don't have on things they don't
- 15:05need, and that might reignite inflation again. So if you do, damned
- 15:09if you don't. I think that's what it comes down to, no matter
- 15:13how you cut it. But at some point I think it's inevitable. I
- 15:18guess we're going to see what happens next. Take David, just tell us
- 15:24where we find you, how we connect with you on the web. You
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- 16:00in post retirement. Hears, all right, excellent, Well, we always
- 16:03appreciate you coming on. I've got a question for David myself. Shoot me
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- 16:22Thanks for coming on, Harry, it's a pleasure. Thanks so much.
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