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ITB Post Intel: Tanner McKee, Ty Robinson, Other Standouts From Eagles Preseason Opener · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is.
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  Speaker 2: Back.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on? Everybody is Jeff Mosher, Adam Kaplan and
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  preseason game number one for the Eagles is in the books.
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  You'll be happy to know that they beat the Bengals,
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  just in case you didn't watch until the end. But
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  the win, the score, that doesn't matter. There were a
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  lot of developments on offense, on defense, and we're going
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  to talk about it in this podcast, myself, Adam Kaplan
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  and Adam let's start off with some of the some
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  of the things that really jumped out offensively, because I'm
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  I don't try you know, we don't try to put
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  too much into the preseason, but it is really really
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  hard when you just evaluate sort of individual effort as
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  far as a quarterback throws, rhythm, comfort knowledge, you know,
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  reading progressive, Tanner McKee just continues to check off so
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  many boxes. He's a really interesting prospect at this point, Adam,
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  he is.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go inside what happened so Tanner McKee And while
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  you might call him a pure pocket passer, he definitely
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  is a pocket passer. I always look at stuff that
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  most reporters don't look for. I look at other parts
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  of his game that needed to be improved from year
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  one to two and two to three, and the big
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  thing with him was pocketmobiley, which we saw much better
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  last year. We saw it against the Giants. And then
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  I think it was the first target to Darius Cooper.
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  I think it was actually it might have been the
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  first target where he got rushed. He evaded the rusher
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  and then he moved to his right and threw a struke.
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  He threw to his right. There was a great throat.
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  That's a big time play because on your point, because
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  there's really no blitzing, or if there are, the Eagles
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  blitz a little bit, but yeah, bottom eyes, there's no
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  game planning. So one blitz is that there's a reason
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  for it. They're trying to get something, they're trying to
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  do something with their backups and try some stuff. Ever
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  the case may be. But McKay was just amazing. What
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  else could you say? And you have to isolate throws
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  because again the pressure is wasn't really there. Because the
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  thing that surprised me is man, their offensive line. And
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  I know the Bengals didn't have Trey Henrickson. I get
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  that we have to mention that it's our job, but man,
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  this offensive line with all backups other than Tyler Steen,
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  who started, by the way, and they started back then
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  in the one preseason. He was the only started to
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  play on offense last preseason. But man, the other part
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  about this and McKee was awesome. We'll get more to
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  hit him in a minute. But the offensive line was phenomenal.
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  That was surprising to me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I haven't ridden. I wrote about it last night
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  for Philly Voice, and I'm gonna we're gonna talk about
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  it in this pod. There were a couple of things
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  that really jumped out of me that we're gonna get
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  specific on with the old line. I was really impressed
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  with the offensive line, especially since they were all backups
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  except for Steam. But to get it back to your
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  point on McKee, even before the completion to Cooper, he
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  had a play. Now, it's just a footnote now and
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  it was an incompletion, but I thought it was really good.
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  He was flushed to his right and it was a
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  third down, and he kept running to his right, running
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  to his right, getting close to the sideline, kept his
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  eyes downfield, and he released a really nice pass to
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  Grant Calkatara that honestly should have been caught at first,
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  it looked like Calcatar had to die for it, but
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  the replay showed he just only he had to do
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  his reach and then he went to his knees after
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  reaching and not catching the ball. If he catches that ball,
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  that's a first down. It's a nice play, but you're
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  probably talking about Calcatara making a nice catch, but forgetting
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  the fact that McKee sensed the rush, got to his right,
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  kept his eyes down the field and made a real
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  laser of a throw while his momentum was taking him
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  toward the sideline.
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  Speaker 2: It was a great throw. And the thing about McKee
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  was you mentioned it in passing, is his ability in
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  maintownce downfield focus. So what happened was if you watch
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  really closely, he would scam because he had time. We
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  have to mention that. But he threw it to the
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  right with juice when he needed to, and he threw
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  some into traffic, which was interesting. He had a couple wherewhow,
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  I was like he he's willing to make that throw.
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  That was big time and you have to understand, like sure,
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  Trey Hendrickson didn't play, but Logan Wilson played. He's a starter.
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  Both starting safety's Juno Stone and Battle played. Now Cam
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  Taylor Britt didn't play. It was the starting corner. We
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  understand that we mentioned Hendrickson bj Hills a starting dtackle,
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  but they had at least seven starters in the lineup
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  and the key ripped them apart. Like you could say
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  all you want about preseason, I understand that, but the
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  bottom line is he made big time throws playing with
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  backups at the skill position. So that was enormous performance
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  by the kid. And I'll tell you what after the season,
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  heading into March of twenty twenty six, if they want
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  to trade him, the better tape they get you use
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  this as a guide. My god, I don't know what
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  I mean. You saw the Giant game for that one half.
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  This is pretty damn good.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I've been thinking since the end of
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  the game. I have no idea idea what the ceiling
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  for this kid is. But I feel like at this
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  point I can tell you the floor is that he's
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  a good backup quarterback in the NFL. He can play
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  in the NFL. He can come in and I think
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  he can come in and win you games if your
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  starter gets hurt. And at this point, if a team
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  calls up Hollie Roseman and says, I want to give
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  a blank for Tanner McKee. I don't know what that
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  blank is because they may really have something. And just
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  in case, you always want to have that kind of commodity. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And and McKee is in year three of a
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  four year deal. He's clearly the backup. We as we
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  talked about March, there would be no competition for it.
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  No matter what was out there was all wrong, there
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  was never going to be a competition for it. The
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  kid has got it. I give Eagles credit. You know,
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  it's college numbers. You know, people want to know, and
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  it's a it's a great question. It just came up
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  in our and our Patreon. We did a really cool
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  and we had a huge crowd. We did a first
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  time we've ever done this. We did a live video
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  chat with our Patreon Tier three members at halftime and
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  it was packed. And you know, I was asked about
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  it again. Why wasn't he drafted higher? His college numbers
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  weren't great, he was a little bit older.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: The Mormon mission is uh Milata calls him the Mormon
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  missile missile right, So but man, uh pocket passer now
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  now I know the knock with him, did really question
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  the movement? I don't know what you know. I wish
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  the reporters were maybe if you go or Andrew, I
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  could ask him with a pocket mobility because I remember
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  asking Nate Sudfeld. Is because Nate Sudfeld's improved his his
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  movement over a year or two and he worked on it.
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  So I wonder if McKee worked on it, because my god,
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  he made a big jump in mobility.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great, great point. I'll try to see if
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  I can poke around on that. And then you know
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  how the access has been so it's it's rough, but
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  uh yeah, some good stuff from there. Let's let's go
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  to this offensive line because there was one play in
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  particular that I'm sure everybody saw but like, but if
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  you really slow it down and watch it on tape,
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  it's a thing of beauty. And that's the Will Shipley
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  thirty eight yard run inside zone right side, which Adam,
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  like you know, for all the tape that we watch
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  of the starting offensive line, there are often times where
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  whether it's Saquon or somebody else where, you say, yes,
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  good run, but the canyon of a hole was there
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  because of the great details and fundamentals of blocking. And
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  if you look at that thirty eight yard run, I've
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  gone through it on tape a thousand times. First of all,
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  excellent seal block on the edge by Matt Pryor against
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  Miles Murphy, a first round pick of the Bengals. He
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  doesn't play like a first round pick, but it was
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  a first round pick. The linebacker is I wouldn't sure
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  which linebacker was, but he's shooting the gap and Steen
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  does a great job of turning his body toward the
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  linebacker trying to cut inside, shielding him off. And then
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  Kendall Man, You've seen Jason Kelsey do it. You've seen
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  Cam Jurgens do it. He's in the second level blocking
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  up the weak side linebacker. So with all three guys
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  sealed and cleared out, Will Shipley is able to just
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  put the jets on. I swear that looked like a
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  first team execution. Now everybody was fundamentally sound. It was great.
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  Speaker 2: I thought he's going to score.
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  Speaker 1: Shipley.
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  Speaker 2: You know the big thing here, we do want to match.
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  You mentioned Drew Kendall. This is a big game for
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  him because you're not the biggest guy in the world.
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  There are questions about could he be a really quality
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  backup in the NFL. This is a great sign. I
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  know it's only one game, totally understand that, but you
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  don't want to get carried away. But this is really good.
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  And with Brett Toath playing left guard, Matt Pryor, who
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  we thought would be the backup right tackle, I'm sure
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  he will be and Lamb will be. Lamb will be left.
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  Now he could play both sides, but it probably who's
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  them because you know Stout doesn't like the move guys,
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  So Lamb's a back up left for now prior to
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  back up right. I don't know about the backup left
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  guard of Brett Toaf. We'll have to see if that continues.
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  To see there's some answers we're not going to have, right,
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  but I was blown away by the protection. Oh, just
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  a couple more notes here before we I want to
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  mention a couple more notes on quarterback. This won't take long. Yeah,
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  I like the way like McKee didn't have a lot
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  of seven step drops. It's mostly three and five EU.
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  He had a couple one and a half step drops.
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  We just got out he got rid of it, and
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  then I'll tell you what DTR. I know, training camp
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  has gonna be great for him, but man, he made
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  a couple of throws. Who made one beautiful thrown of
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  traffic was like, wow, he fired that thing in there,
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  m M. And then there was a there was the
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  there was one drop by Johnny Wilson. I know is
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  Russ Tucker talked about it and I would agree, like
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  that's one probably Wilson should have had. But overall, I
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  know it doesn't mean much, but I just want to
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  mention that because DTR can he can't spin the ball,
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  he can throw it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it. And that actually brings
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  up a good note real quick that this was the
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  first time I can remember where guys who are in
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  in the first quarter were still in in the fourth quarter.
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  And some of that is depth, you know, wide receiver,
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  they're really hurting. There were about three guys right now
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  with with Marshall out and Brown and Smith. But on
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  the last pass rush of the game, which was a
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  big third down stop on against Spencer Ridder, which Boyry
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  doesn't Ty Robinson We'll get to the defense in a second,
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  but Ty Robinson and Gabe Hall were in and executed
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  a stunt to pressure Ridder, and I'm like, wow, you
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  know this is Vick saying my guys need reps. And
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  how often do you see guys like that who started
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  in the first quarter playing in the fourth quarter. That's
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  pretty amazing. I thought that was only a Dariynard thing,
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  but apparently now it's that's funny.
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  Speaker 2: The snapcounts were not available because I was curious about
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  how many snaps those guys got. But get just finishing off.
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  You know, we talked, You talked about ship A the
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  a J don't look really good. By the way, we
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  got another answer because you know what, here's the thing
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  with running backs. Yep, you and I have covered this
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  business a couple of decades here running backs because there's
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  no tackling to the ground, wearing pads. Okay, that's nice.
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  It's better than not wearing pads for evaluation. But they're
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  not getting hit and they're not getting tackled to the ground,
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  so you don't have that fear if you're a running
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  back that you're gonna get hit, but you do in
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  the game. And Shipley the explosion, now the one issue
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  that I have and I knew this could be a problem,
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  and this is something just to watch depending on what
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  they do in the regular season. You inside the five,
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  he had I think three cracks for it, and then
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  they they obviously they got it in with the key
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  on the push play, but you know that's where the
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  lower body strength and the questions about that, that's where
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  I would have liked them to have taken Chipley out
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  and the game a try. I get that, but I
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  would have liked to have seen Dylan come in and
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  let him power throw.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I would actually have liked to have seen Ben
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  van sumern with some other dives. Interesting that Ben van
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  Sumerin did not play a single offensive snap, which I
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  know that sounds crazy, but no, only special teams. Okay,
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  it fuels my theory that they're hiding. I think they
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  want to use this full back a little bit creatively
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  and they're not trying to show that in the preseason.
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  That could be totally wrong. It's just a haunch, but
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  we'll see. But yeah, but it was a testament o
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  to the interior offensive line. That was a nice push
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  that they pulled off. That usually with the backup quarterback,
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  the Eagles average five point eight yards per carry in
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  the first half at him. So now some of that
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  was wided by the Shipley run, but again that run
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  was paved by a really good blocking effort. So I
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  have no problem with giving the offensive line a ton
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  of credit for that number in the first half. And
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  I think that the line is now starting to come
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  into shape for us. I mean, we know the starting five.
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  Stein's gonna play right guard at this point. I can't
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  see Matt pryor not making it unless he, you know,
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  just gets hurt or fall.
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  Speaker 2: He's always going to I know, but I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was sort of skeptical because he didn't play really well.
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  A really good story I'm gonna try to pursue is
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  why he's become a better lineman after leaving the Eagles
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  and coming back than when he was here. But he's
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  definitely there. Lamb's definitely there. So that's seven. There's one guy,
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  Kendall is a Hinton played well. He had a he
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  got confused on a on a stunt on his first
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  snap and that's the only sack that McKee took in
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  the first half. But other than that, I think he
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  played well. He'll make it. So that's eight right there.
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  Right five.
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  Speaker 2: Kenyan Green got hurt late in the game, so I
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  don't even know what his status is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right now, I can only right now, I think
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  they've got nine and if they keep attempt it's because
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  it's like Cameron Williams or Williams.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's a total project.
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  Speaker 1: But now I don't think played. I don't. I watched him.
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  He snapped the ball, okay, but they went under center
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  a lot in the second half, and then he also
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  allowed some some run pressure, like he just did not
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  look like the starting quote unquote starters who were really
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  a second teamers.
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  Speaker 2: So I hear you, let's move to receiver, So Johnny Wilson,
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  let's give him his effort because one of the knots
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  on him. And I saw this, So I've talked about
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  this play before where I was last week, and I
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  think the pass it was either from a cord or
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  McKee in practice in the left side of the end zone,
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  and he just didn't make the effort. The ball should
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  have been deflected, yep, And and it was over Mac mcwon.
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  He's Mac McWilliams is under five to eleven and Wilson
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  is how taalty's six to seven. Yeah, okay, so he's
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  got eight inchest on the guy. I mean, you got
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  you gotta go after it now he did in this
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  game that that was a good He did a good job. Man.
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  Good to see his effort. They need this from him.
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  He can't just be a guy good block, you know.
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  Syrianni loves to point that out, but everybody knew that already.
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  But that's the kind of thing against the Bengals. That
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  and he started the game, by the way, nice smith.
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  They started eleven personnel was Johnny Wilson a nice smith.
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  Nice Smith, but a great punt return while I was phenomenal. Yeah,
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  and Dotson, Dotson, you have showed up so but good
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  for Johnny Wilson. We've always listened. Our job is to
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  tell you the truth. We've been very critical of Wilson
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  because they hadn't performed other than block. But this is
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  a good sign for him to make the team for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And so I don't remember the last practice
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  you were at for the Ears, but I was at
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  the last two and I think three of the last four.
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  And I will tell you after those first three days
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  where we were kind of knocking Johnny for not using
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  his body, things have turned around. And not only that,
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  he I felt like over the last two practices, you
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  started to see him like you saw him in the game.
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  They started to movement more into the slot and have
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  him running certain kind of routes that took advantage of
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  either his size or got him on a break in
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  his zone, and he started to catch the ball really well,
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  like seeing it into the hands. And I talked to
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  him after the game. I mean, he definitely he definitely
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  talked about playing the slot here, which it's either the
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  there are times he's a slot or times he's just
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  tight to the line of scrimmage that we talk about
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  the reduced splits, but that seems to be an area
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  where Kevin Bittullo has been able to tap into him
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  because on the outside he's not a natural separator. You
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  can only really use your your height, but on the inside,
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  against certain coverages you can. He's a nice, big, easy target.
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  And I think the thing that really stood out in
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  the game was the slot fade route or the slot
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  go where you could just throw it up on a
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  smaller defender, and he was able to make those over
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  the shoulder grabs. So we did it's hush, that'll be good.
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  I mean, in the grand schemeing thing, what are we
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  talking about he's going to be fourth or fifth in
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  the pecking order exactly.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, but you move up if started. That's
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  the point of this. If the starter gets hurt, you're
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  moving up. And you got it, you got if you
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  become the three. Yep, that's important now, by the way,
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  But the start of the game. Other than McKee Darius Cooper,
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  we over the last week from why I understand he's
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  taken a jail like he'd been. He'd flashed a little
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  bit with the threes and you never know really how
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  because there's really very little contact. You don't you have
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  to put in proper context. Last week has really come on.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: He it's funny because you talk about it, Wilson, it's
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  not a natural separator. Watch Cooper separate m H and
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  they he played the Z. I just look at my
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  notes here played a little bit the Z, a little
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  bit of the X. They moved him. He caught the
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  balls to the right side, left side. He was phenomenal,
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  right to score the touchdown, super strong. He's under six
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  feet but he's really built. Well, this dude's the baller
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  from Charlton State. I mean, this is see one thing
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  I do want to mention before we move on here,
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  before we move on to maybe one word two quick
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  notes on officefore you go to defense. Datson's free agent
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  after the season. They don't know who the future three
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  four five is after the so Cooper will not put
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  him on the roster. Yet he sure looks like he
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  should be. And then unfortunately, uh the big receiver got hurt,
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  uh Lojah Cooks and first half didn't look good. He
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  was he was carted off. Yeah, so there's there's gonna
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  be one and Tars Marshall didn't play Cooper not only
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  just have a chance to be on the roster. But
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  this kid's interesting. Uh. I don't want to go overboard,
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  but the effort he's he's been really steady in training
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  camp and now this is this is kind of like
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  his showcase. And man did he show up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was trying to do the numbers, like you know,
• 17:44
  you know that they've got the top three receivers. It
• 17:46
  looks like Wilson and Ia Smith are performing well. So
• 17:49
  that's five. I don't know how unless they keep an
• 17:52
  extra guy. And I don't know what they want to
• 17:53
  do with Avery Williams. If Avery Williams makes it it's
• 17:56
  because Nick Sirianni like banged his fist on the table
• 17:58
  because he doesn't really he hasn't deserved it. But if
• 18:02
  he keeps making plays, No, I don't know. I don't
• 18:05
  want to say, it might be tough to waive him
• 18:06
  because wide receivers are a dime a dozen, but you
• 18:09
  have to be you're right. He's been very impressive. He's
• 18:12
  playing above his pedigree. And I will say this, he
• 18:15
  ran I charted this down. He had a first team
• 18:18
  rep in practice the other day. Again, there's short a
• 18:21
  few receivers, but that doesn't mean that he has to
• 18:24
  get a rep. But he got a rep and then
• 18:26
  he was running with a second team and quite a
• 18:28
  couple of touchdowns. So he's clearly making the most of
• 18:31
  his opportunities and someone to watch here over the next
• 18:33
  few weeks.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: He attacks the football man that that is so obvious,
• 18:38
  and he he is what you call urgency. That's a
• 18:41
  scouting term. He has extreme urgency. I mean, this dude
• 18:45
  brings it. It's a great story. Now here's the thing though,
• 18:48
  it's now on tape thirty one. Other teams have seen
• 18:50
  this now, so the secrets out.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Now we'll see now if he does well in game two,
• 18:55
  in game three, it'd be hard to cut him and
• 18:58
  try to seek him through because the worst think you
• 19:00
  could do is a guy like this who balls out
• 19:02
  and it looks to be real if you try to
• 19:04
  stick me through the practice on and it gets claimed.
• 19:05
  Because that's what keeps gms up at night, because I
• 19:08
  remember Joe Banner told me that if you're willing to
• 19:10
  put a guy through waivers, you're willing to lose a player,
• 19:13
  and you should You shouldn't have. You should be saying
• 19:14
  that to yourself. Oh, you know what we'll live with
• 19:16
  if someone claims him, right, you don't want to have
• 19:19
  that feeling, right by.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: The way, last plan on offense, well, two quick things. One,
• 19:23
  I charted the thirty snaps in the first half of
• 19:25
  eleven and twelve personnel and they played about fifty seven
• 19:29
  eleven personnel, so forty three percent. Well, it's still pretty
• 19:31
  heavy twelve so for a percentage there, so obviously Patulo
• 19:36
  carrying over what they did well from last year. There
• 19:39
  was some motion. I saw some jet motion. It wasn't
• 19:41
  a lot. I've seen more motion in camp than I
• 19:44
  saw in the game, but there was some motion added
• 19:46
  to the offense. I wanted to make note of that.
• 19:48
  And then just an overarching point is that, you know,
• 19:51
  how often do we say in preseason games, it's really
• 19:53
  tough to evaluate this QB or this or that because
• 19:56
  it's the backups. But when you have an organization like
• 19:59
  the Eagles, Ravens or others that really invest in the
• 20:02
  offensive line top to bottom, it really allows you to
• 20:05
  help helps you evaluate your quarterback and then your passing
• 20:08
  game and then your running game a little bit better
• 20:11
  because you're not just sitting there saying, oh, we got
• 20:12
  a bunch of like you know, bottom of the roster
• 20:15
  type players. I mean, some of these backup linemen could
• 20:17
  probably be competing for starting jobs elsewhere, but it really
• 20:21
  shows out in the preseason. How how that helps the
• 20:24
  evaluation process? All right? Defense, Yeah, yeah, defense, listen. I'm
• 20:30
  not gonna make too much of Killey Ringo. He was
• 20:32
  he wasn't in a great position on that back shoulder
• 20:35
  catch to to uh by Jamar Chase from from Borrow,
• 20:38
  but he's also going up against Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase.
• 20:41
  I know that it sticks out like a sore thumb,
• 20:43
  but like better corners than Khilley Ringo have given up
• 20:46
  that same route.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Well, understand he's competing for starting job. So you'd be
• 20:50
  going against Joe Burrow if they were playing the Bengals
• 20:52
  sure season, so you got to show up. He had
• 20:55
  two really bad plays. The one where you're some press position,
• 20:59
  he he just gave access to to Chase and he
• 21:04
  that's a player talking about I think without looking that one.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I can't remember, but I mean,
• 21:08
  he didn't tracking the ball, but that was bad.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: He got harder. Ross Tucker talked about it when he
• 21:15
  was playing off coverage, then the man coverage one. It
• 21:18
  just he didn't get a hand within five yards because
• 21:20
  you have the five yard shuck and he just didn't
• 21:22
  do it right. And then as you said, he didn't
• 21:25
  play the ball. Well that that that's look if you
• 21:27
  if you were give the positive of Ringo and the negatives,
• 21:30
  the negatives are fairly obvious. He had the same issue
• 21:32
  in college with ball tracking. He's got the length, he's
• 21:35
  got the speed. Kid works hard. From what we understand,
• 21:38
  it's just it's got to be better. Dowry Jackson's got
• 21:40
  to be better, and they've they've yes, they're playing against
• 21:44
  Joe Burrow. But guys, they're they're competing for they're competing
• 21:47
  to be starters. And the Bengals have the first team
• 21:50
  of runs out there, so I know, look, it is
• 21:52
  what it is. They have to be better. And you know,
• 21:55
  next week, uh, in fact, Saturdays, the first practice. Uh,
• 21:59
  we'll get a look at judge Krane Bennett and see
• 22:01
  if they can move them up quickly. We'll see what
• 22:03
  they do.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. From a tackling standpoint, I didn't think it was great.
• 22:07
  At the interior level. I thought Monden struggled a little bit.
• 22:11
  He got bowled over on that touchdown at the goal
• 22:13
  line by the tight end. He got stiff armed by
• 22:16
  Chase Brown at one point. By the way, how about
• 22:19
  one twin brother tackling the other Sidney.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Brou was crazy. That was crazy. A couple of things
• 22:24
  Trotter and Manden started. Now, Campbell came in the penalty,
• 22:27
  by the way, he could have been flaged twice legal
• 22:29
  hands to the face, and then he grabbed the running
• 22:31
  on those other hand, he grabbed the running backs face
• 22:33
  fask yeah.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And by the way, he was also he didn't
• 22:36
  get off his block well on that too, which is
• 22:38
  why he had to get his hands on the face.
• 22:40
  But I mean that's just one play. Athleticism, The athleticism
• 22:43
  showed up because you remember the play where Andre Sam
• 22:46
  hit the receiver, the ball went in the air and
• 22:48
  it was almost picked off. That was Campbell twenty yards
• 22:51
  down the field diving to try to pick off the
• 22:54
  ball before it hit the ground.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: So you could see the Oh yeah, he was a
• 22:57
  great effort. That was great effort.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you could see the athleticism. But he needs
• 23:01
  some fine tuning. Unfortunately. I just don't think Manden or
• 23:04
  even Trotter Junior. They also looked a little bit of
• 23:06
  a step slow.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Well, now the question would be did the front clean
• 23:10
  them off. Gabe Hall and Ty Robinson started in the
• 23:15
  interior and looks he can move. Now, he can move
• 23:19
  and oce Luri he's got to be better. Man. They're
• 23:22
  into him because they liked his tape a lot, and
• 23:24
  that's why they brought him in. Greco select the tape.
• 23:27
  He hadn't shown up yet. Man started the game.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the interior guys did better than the
• 23:33
  edge guys. You're right, did show up a little bit,
• 23:36
  but in general, there was not a lot of edge pressure.
• 23:38
  I thought Robinson and Hall played well when they were
• 23:41
  in there, played violently. I also wanted to make the
• 23:44
  point that the Bengals those big plays that they got
• 23:47
  came out of a lot of twelve personnel for them.
• 23:49
  I don't know how much we're gonna do that during
• 23:50
  the season, but it's really hard when you're in your
• 23:52
  five man front and your backup nose is that Joe Davis,
• 23:56
  a guy they signed.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: In the middle, Joe Evans.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Sorry. Yeah, So you're not gonna get a lot of
• 24:01
  great pass rush when you're five on seven and one
• 24:03
  of your five is Joe Evans. He's not He's a
• 24:06
  three hundred and forty pound guy.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Oh he was a backup No, yeah, he was a
• 24:09
  backup nose. Wow.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah he was in early because he was he was
• 24:13
  there starting zero technique in the five man front with
• 24:16
  no Jordan Davis out there, right.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: So yeah he signed training Wow.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: He just that's what you're just never gonna see. You're
• 24:22
  not seeing that in the regular season. So I'm not
• 24:24
  trying to make too much of the Bengals striking a
• 24:26
  few big plays. When the Bengals went to eleven vic
• 24:31
  did you mentioned this vict dialed up some blitzes and
• 24:33
  I thought there were some pretty good ones and you
• 24:35
  saw the athleticism of the front come through and they
• 24:37
  were able to get some pressure there.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, So with with Thomas Booker traded he was the
• 24:42
  backup nose and Jordan Davis didn't play. They have to
• 24:46
  figure that who that's guy's cape. Paul's not a nose.
• 24:49
  And Robinson if you shade him a certain way, you can.
• 24:52
  If someone in scouting told me, you could get away
• 24:54
  with it. But he's really not a nose. He's a
• 24:55
  tweeener body type. Not about body type is enough to
• 24:59
  do about how you weigh. It's your frame, leverage, right, leverage, hand,
• 25:03
  arm length. We have to educate people because people people
• 25:06
  like to jump in us. Oh wait a minute, he
• 25:08
  put weight on. That's fine, but that's not It doesn't
• 25:10
  make his arms any longer, right, you know, That's that's
• 25:14
  the problem that But he's got great energy, man, he
• 25:17
  ty Robbinson's a fascinating talent. He's clubs couldn't figure out
• 25:21
  what he was at the next level. That's why he
• 25:23
  dropped to the fourth round. But man, he brings energy
• 25:25
  and he's he's gonna be a good player.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: He is gonna be good. I was wondering if Byron
• 25:29
  Young might be went healthy a backup nose, and he's
• 25:31
  a little closer to he's got the long arms. I
• 25:34
  thought that might help him at that position.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: But Young didn't play. Yeah he was hurt.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah he was hurt. He didn't play. So yeah, there's
• 25:41
  that the corner, you know. Sydney Brown looked okay. I
• 25:43
  think there were a couple of times I thought he
• 25:45
  was either out of place for over pursuing, which is
• 25:48
  sort of his his forte, so he just has to
• 25:52
  clean that up. But nothing egregious I thought was bad.
• 25:55
  I just I just would have liked to have seen
• 25:57
  a little more more pass Russia from the edges.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I agree, totally a great and then secondary wise, they
• 26:04
  started they starting Nickel McWilliams was that he so he
• 26:07
  was healthy enough to play. He was the nickel ringo.
• 26:08
  Jackson Brown and Tristan McCollums started at safety. So yeah, look,
• 26:16
  it's hard because obviously, if you're going against Joe Burrow
• 26:18
  in a real game, you're not playing your backups. But uh,
• 26:21
  as I was talking about in our at Patreon Chattelman,
• 26:24
  I think it was Tuesday, Wednesday. I said, guys, it's
• 26:26
  going to be it's going to look ugly. First quarter.
• 26:28
  The Begles actually covered the first the first quarter spread.
• 26:32
  They were actually a six point favorite because the everyone
• 26:35
  knew that he was going to play mostly backups, if
• 26:36
  not all backups. But it wasn't all that bad. The effort.
• 26:41
  The effort was fine. They're just you. It's just it
• 26:43
  was a tough matchup. They have a lot more to learn,
• 26:45
  you know that Mandon, They have a lot more to
• 26:47
  learn about him. Trot you and your mind and started
• 26:49
  at at backer. But you know, overall, uh, they won
• 26:54
  the game. The offense was incredible.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Wow, it was kind of one of those I know it,
• 26:59
  as you said to start the show. I know it's preseason, but.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, your punter kicked a pat, so you learned
• 27:05
  that he can do thaticker gets hurt.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: So there's nice if that pump returns phenomenal, he really
• 27:10
  should have got he he he beat he juked that
• 27:12
  long dude. Remember this guy. This guy had over eighty
• 27:15
  punk returns in college.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah he was a good punt returner. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 27:20
  so that's good, good stuff. And then obviously, the Eagles
• 27:22
  will be off on uh what, Friday, and they'll reconvene
• 27:25
  Saturday and we'll get back at it. So that is it.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but real quick. Next week they got two joint
• 27:31
  practice against Cleveland. Oh that's right, Wednesday and Thursday, and
• 27:35
  then they play one o'clock Easter yes, a Saturday, the
• 27:38
  dreaded one o'clock Eastern game on Saturday.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: No, I like it because it's undone and early and
• 27:42
  I don't get home after midnight, so that's good.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: And Sunday night night practice of the link, correct.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, I practice, I think. All right? All right man,
• 27:52
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