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China's DeepSeek AI: Innovation or Infiltration? w/ Mike Adams · Man in America Podcast

• 0:13
  Seth Holehouse: Welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Hullhouse. So a massive change has happened in the tech industry these past couple of days, specifically in the AI industry. A Chinese company released an open source AI called DeepSeek. Now DeepSeek, though it was built, you know, supposedly, according to the story, for a fraction absolute fraction of the cost of our current AI giants dominating here in The United States, specifically OpenAI, a lot of what Meta is doing.
• 0:45
  This DeepSeek AI was significantly more powerful, and it's a reasoning AI. So it doesn't just bring you information, say, here's the information you're looking for. It actually thinks about it, and it learns as it's going, which is significant. So my guest today is Mike Adams, who I think is the perfect person to have this discussion because he's developing his own massive AI model called, Enoch, which we'll talk about. But he's also so understands the threat of surveillance as the threat of technocracy, and he understands the geopolitics of how these things fit in.
• 1:17
  Because if you look at the timing of Trump's recent announcement to build these massive data centers under the Stargate project headed by Larry Ellison from Oracle and Sam Altman from OpenAI, it's apparent that The United States is putting a significant weight into the AI arms race. Now China releasing this raises a lot of questions for me. Is it something that is loaded with back doors for the CCP? Well, according to a lot of folks, it's not because it's open source, and you can download it and run it offline. So that's a good point.
• 1:49
  But the bigger questions I have is that, is this part of their unrestricted warfare to thwart a lot of the efforts in the the tech sector here in America? But then you get into a lot of bigger questions of where does this lead to? What happens to the person or the country that wins the AI arms race? How does this AI affect us? How can we escape AI?
• 2:09
  Because I certainly don't wanna have robot dogs and drones controlling everything and monitoring everything. I wanna live in the country with no computers, but that may not be a route reality that is acceptable because the whole world is going down this technological path. And so Mike and I are gonna be diving deep into these questions, and I've got some questions that I'm gonna be asking him that will hopefully challenge his beliefs. And likewise, he will be absolutely challenging my beliefs as well. So my goal is that this interview is helpful for you to frame what's happening, to provide some context, but fundamentally, to also take all this into consideration and still find hope for humanity, still find a future that doesn't involve us living in the digital gulag.
• 2:53
  So please enjoy the interview with my good friend, Mike Adams. Mister Mike Adams, it is always a pleasure to have you on the show. And as busy as you are, I'm amazed that you find time for folks like me. So thank you for being here, Mike.
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, come on. Seth, I love our conversations. I'm honored that you'd have me on. I really look forward to this, so thank you.
• 3:13
  Seth Holehouse: Appreciate it. So, you know, I I have a few different ways of testing a topic and to see if if this if it's relevant and everyone's talking about it. And one of the ways I'll call my mom, right, who watches my show, but she's also watching Fox News and what's happening. I say, mom, do you know what deep seek is? And she says, oh, yeah.
• 3:32
  Well, I heard you mention it, but then after you talked about it, all the mainstream media was talking about it. She goes, you're always ahead of the mainstream media. I said, okay. So you know what it means when I say deep seek, which really is, I think, such an important thing to discuss. And before we dive into the details, I wanna bring up a quick article that really helps set the stage for our discussion.
• 3:52
  This is an article from foreign policy. This is written back in, I think, 02/2019. It says whoever predicts the future will win the AI race. And it says China, Russia, and The US are approaching the long term strategic potential of AI very differently. The country that gets it right will reap huge military benefits.
• 4:09
  I wanna scroll down this quote from Putin here. So Putin said, whoever becomes the leader in this sphere will become the ruler of the world. And I feel like this is the fact that this is, you know, six years ago is so telling to what's going on right now. And I know that you are heavily not just a a fan of AI, but you're heavily invested in it, and you're building your own, large language model AI, which I think is amazing. And so I can't wait to get your take on it, but you're also someone that understands geopolitics and military strategy, and I wanna talk about some of those things as well.
• 4:43
  But let me Cool. First hear it from you because you're the first real expert I've talked to outside of doing my own research on this. Talk tell what is deep seek, and why is deep seek so significant right now? Why is it knocking off, you know, a trillion dollars in market cap of Nvidia and and the stock market? What's going on here?
• 5:02
  Speaker 2: So let me just provide some context that you know, I'm known as the health ranger, but back in the nineteen nineties, I started a software company, and I've written a lot of code in my life. I I'm a coder. I ran software development teams, and I've I've continued to run teams. For example, I ran the team that built Brighttown.ai. I ran our multisite content management system production project years ago, etcetera.
• 5:28
  So I've I've spent about fifteen months building an AI model that's called Enoch. And Enoch will be released free open source to the world on March 1, maybe actually a few days sooner, at Brighteon.ai. And this model is the only model in the world that's trained on the kind of information that you and I love, Seth. It's like it's all about permaculture, gardening, off grid living, sustainability, herbs, nutrition, natural medicine, survival and preparedness. I mean, it will walk you step by step through how to build a shelter, how to build a compost pile, how to diagnose an infestation of tomato plants, whatever.
• 6:10
  I mean, the knowledge of it is extraordinary. And, apparently, nobody else in the world in the tech industry cares about these subjects. So they're not building models like this, but I want a model that we can use offline, doesn't require the internet, doesn't work in the cloud, doesn't monitor you, and doesn't cost anything that we can all run it on our laptops and have like a gardening coach and a wellness coach, like, right there. Now, so that whole thing is called a knowledge model is the way I refer to it. Or a large language model, but I call it a knowledge model because it's not a reasoning model.
• 6:47
  So a reasoning model, which is what deep seek r one is, is a model that thinks through step by step logically through a problem to arrive at a conclusion, and then it checks itself on that conclusion. But it also checks itself at each step along the way. Now a reasoning model typically is very good at mathematics, physics, chemistry, you know, obviously, logic. And a reasoning model can do things like calculate the the the thermal coefficients of a mass of water and tell you how long it'll take before it freezes in a certain temperature with a certain wind speed and a certain air density, etcetera. For example here's a real practical example.
• 7:29
  I was asking deep sea gar one just the other day about what's the best combination of common solvents that can be used to make an extract of rosmarinic acid from common rosemary herb. Because you might grow rosemary herb, and you might say, hey. I need to make natural medicine out of this. Right? This could be something you do in a Mad Max scenario as long as you have a computer, a laptop functioning.
• 7:53
  So I asked the model. Like, of all the common solvents that we might have around, nothing crazy exotic, nothing toxic because I wanna I wanna drink this, what are the best solvents? And it knew the polarity of rosmarinic acid. It knew the the solubility of it in the different solvents, such as isopropyl alcohol, IPA, glycerin, or water. And it actually came up with a formula, which was 40% IPA, 50% water, and 10% glycerin.
• 8:22
  And it explained why that's the best solvent solution. Now I found that fascinating because in my laboratory, we use fifty fifty IPA in water as kind of the default solvent that pulls out the most molecules. But it turns out that adding 10% glycerin actually improves solubility for certain phenolic compounds, which is rosmarinic acid. So that was a great lesson for me and a practical thing. I don't mean to geek out here on the interview, but that's a practical question where the model can reason through chemistry and give you an answer.
• 8:58
  Like, I didn't need to call up a university chemistry professor and say, hey. Can you do me a favor? Can you calculate this? You know? I just asked DeepSeek, and it was running on my desktop.
• 9:10
  Okay? So it wasn't in the cloud. I downloaded the model for free. I'm running it on gamers' graphics cards in my computer, like NVIDIA GeForce cards. Right?
• 9:21
  Gamer cards. And it's doing freaking PhD level chemistry and math. Right? And that that just scratches the surface. I've got it writing code.
• 9:31
  It's writing Python code. It's writing Windows batch files. It can calculate, you know, amortization. It can help you make financial decisions. You name it.
• 9:38
  Right? This is a game changer. This the world changes from this point forward. So to answer your first question, that's why people are freaking out because this has just been given away for free to the world, interestingly, from China. Like, the entire USA tech sector never gave us anything like this.
• 9:57
  They have closed source models that they control, and they use it to spy on us. China gave us this gift. Probably the greatest gift of technology in the history of humanity just came from China, not The USA.
• 10:10
  Seth Holehouse: Which is interesting. So a few Yes. Questions and comments. First off
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: I'm
• 10:14
  Seth Holehouse: Just about Enoch. I'm I'm already thinking, okay. What I I need to find a cheap laptop, put Enoch on there, put it in one of my Faraday bags, stuff it in the back of my closet, and forget about it. Because Right. If there's a grid down scenario or anything like that, like, I've got a whole library of paper prepping books.
• 10:32
  Right? You know? Right. The Foxfire series, you know, you know, all kinds of how to, which, of course, if there's a grid down and you've got that book that tells you how to, you know, how to mend a wound or how to fix a broken leg or how to, you know, solve an animal's illness. Like, those are life saving measures.
• 10:49
  I'm thinking, gosh. You're AI. I need to get that on some sort of EMP proof system so that I always have access to that no matter what. Like, there there is
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 10:59
  Seth Holehouse: China's okay. This you know, deep seek is a gift, but I I think in what you're doing and everything you've done for prepping, I'd say that Enoch is the greatest gift that you have provided for, you know, surviving any kind of post apocalyptic scenario.
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: Well, there there's no question, Seth. I I appreciate you saying that, but I also feel like this is the most important thing I've ever done in my life is to produce this model and give it to the world. If I if I do nothing else in my life, like, that's worth it, you know, to put that out there. Because it it is it's trained on, you know, millions and millions of pages of content about survival prepping, natural medicine, emergency medicine, all these things, and a lot of other areas like Austrian economics as well. It knows all about gold and the Federal Reserve on top of that.
• 11:46
  But the the key benefit of this is, like you said, you have this library of books. If you try to find an answer, you have to physically search through you know, go through the index or the table of contents and then flip the pages and try to scan the text. An AI engine like Enoch, which is not a reasoning model, I wanna be clear, it doesn't do math for you, but it has knowledge, it can save you, you know, a hundred hours of research on a question, and it can give you the answer in sixty seconds authoritatively from all the material that has gone into it. And interestingly, Seth, every interview that you and I have ever done is built into the model. It's trained in.
• 12:25
  So our discussions have been part of it. So I I will
• 12:29
  Seth Holehouse: live on into infinity through Enoch, which I think I I remember you mentioned we discussing, and you asked me you you asked my permission at sometimes, hey. You mind if I put all this information? I was like, of course. Absolutely. Right?
• 12:42
  It's it's it's great. And so we'll just say about DeepSeek. So my wife is more similar to you in terms of her technology background. And so right now, she's been doing a lot of coding, and we're rebuilding our website, and she's doing some things. Cool.
• 12:54
  And she's been, basically, she's been using ChatGPT for a lot of her assistance, especially as it relates to scraping scraping pages and setting up automation. So she's setting up some automation so I can press a button, and the AI will then or the scripts will build out all my live streams, upload videos, and that kind of stuff. So she's building this out, but she keeps banging her head against the table with ChatGPT because she says, it doesn't learn. Like, it does something. It'll fix it, and I'll say, no.
• 13:20
  You're wrong for this reason. And I was like, oh, thank you. That must be a pain. And it goes it makes the same mistake over and again. So it's not learning as it's going.
• 13:29
  It's it's it's repeating the same mistakes over and over again.
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: Well, part of that's gonna be solved. By the way, I I would suggest that she experiment with the software, LM Studio. Use LM Studio with the Quen model, q w e n, because Quen has hooks in it that can invoke desktop agents. So you can actually you could use Python code, or you could just manually prompt Quen to use your browser and search the web for this, let's say, or go to a website and do this, and you feed that prompt into LM Studio that's running Quinn, and then LM Studio can use Quinn's engine calling capabilities, let's say, to invoke a local agent. The reason I'm saying this is that ChatGPT is obsolete at this point.
• 14:22
  And, really, answer is gonna be decentralization, local control, And what's gonna solve the memory question that you're just mentioning is vastly increased context length Windows, where it remembers everything that you've done and told it for the last thirty days. I think, in fact, Quen 2.5 Turbo has a 1,000,000 context length 1,000,000 tokens of contact length support right now. Although it's not perfect, that's that's huge. I mean, I mean, I've been working with models at a hundred and 28 k tokens, and I will paste in the text of an entire book. And I will give it a prompt to write a five minute video narration script covering that book.
• 15:05
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• 16:22
  Speaker 2: And then I'll produce a video from that script. So I'm pacing at a whole book, and it it handles that no problem. I did that for, doctor Thomas Cowan's book, The Contagion Myth, and we put out a video on that. It was awesome. It was like, this is the best way to experience the book, actually.
• 16:37
  You know? But when you have a 1,000,000 token context length, you could feed in multiple books, and you can have a prompt that says, like, extract the most relevant components from all these books. So that's that's that's coming. It's gonna keep expanding.
• 16:53
  Seth Holehouse: It is. Well and so one thing so that and and thank you for explaining deep seeking. That was my experience too in looking at deep deep seeking, and and we've been running it also and experimenting with it. And I I saw some of the same things, like, it could go, and it would learn. It would research something.
• 17:09
  You could say, go research this, and it would come back, and it'd show you it discovered this, and then it it would then take that data, calculate the next level of research, take that data. And it's it really it's that next step towards AGI. Right? The artificial general intelligence, which is almost like a AI becoming sentient, which is, you know, you know, takes me back to Terminator movies growing up and Skynet and all that stuff. But so one so something I wanna kinda dig into a little bit with you here is what's going on behind the scenes with it.
• 17:39
  Because I I understand completely the the context of what it's opened up and the fact that it was given out for free. But I wanted to I'm curious. So I'm gonna pull up a few different things. So so one about the article I showed you. Here's a different article talking about that China's deep sea has close ties to Beijing.
• 17:57
  Right? So if you look into, which, of course, it would. As and and you know China extremely well. You've had Jeff Nyquist on and a lot of people that really understand China. And one of the things I'm thinking about when I see this is, like, what's the deeper meaning behind this?
• 18:10
  Like, does this fit into the CCP's unrestricted warfare in terms of was it intentional with the timing of it coming out just after Trump is in office within days of his of him announcing Stargate, which is one of the biggest, you know, tech infrastructure projects in the history of our country. But then looking at just the story, right, be behind it, because if you look at Facebook and Zuckerberg, you dig a little bit, and it's like, oh, this was most likely some sort of DARPA project that they found someone like Zuckerberg to be the face of, to be the story of this young college kid that built it in his dorm room. And where the as my perspective is it's probably closer to being some sort of military industrial complex data gathering operation that is sold to us as this social media. Right? And so if you look into
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: You're talking about face Facebook.
• 19:05
  Seth Holehouse: Facebook. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So if you're looking at the story of DeepSeek, which they're saying, you know, they they say that it was done for under $10,000,000 as a as, like, a side project for this, you know, kind of forty year old tech prodigy, this quant.
• 19:18
  But then you look at there was a inter interview came out. It was this guy right here. He was a, the CEO of Scale AI saying that he his guess or what he understands is that that DeepSeek is actually using about 50,000 of these NVIDIA h 100 chips, which I think that these chips are 20 to $25,000 a pop, which is over a billion dollars in in chips that's that they're using, which to me makes me think, well, maybe it wasn't this, you know, $10,000,000 side project, but is it something deeper than that? Like, the same thing our own government does to us where they tell us, it's like all this unicorn company, like Facebook, for instance, and you find out there's something deeper behind it. So do you do you think that there's something deeper behind this in terms of China's overall long term military strategy, in becoming the dominant country?
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Yes. Let me let me unpack all of that. Great great questions. You've done a lot of analysis. This is awesome.
• 20:19
  Okay. So number one, regardless of how much compute that you think went into building the deepseq model, whether it's the secret room of graphics cards that are unreported or not. The model is real. It exists. It's given out for free.
• 20:39
  It's open source, and it doesn't surveil users because you can use it offline. So number one, even if you think that they're not reporting the actual cost that went into the model, this is still the greatest technological achievement in the history of computing either way. Right? And it doesn't spy on you. Unlike Google, which does spy on you, unlike Anthropic, which refuses to answer questions that are critical of big pharma, by the way.
• 21:09
  I mean, I I have used DeepSeek to generate summaries of policy questions involving FDA reform that Anthropic refused to even talk about. So the the censorship regime in the world of AI is in The United States, not China. I mean, I and I say that as someone who wants America to win this race, by the way. You know? And I I mean, my wife is from Taiwan, and I lived in Taiwan.
• 21:38
  I love the Taiwan people. I want Taiwan to continue to be safe and prosperous as its own nation.
• 21:44
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: But I have to be honest about what China just did. It is the most significant event in the history of computing. Secondly, DeepSeek has released the science papers explaining exactly how they built this model on the hardware they claim. That is being replicated by other AI labs around the world right now. And within maybe a week or two, we will know whether that replication can happen on that small amount of compute.
• 22:12
  So if they're I mean, frankly, the explanation that they have 50,000 hidden cards, that sounds like a CIA story to me. That's a CIA cover story to try to claim that China isn't really good at what they're doing. Nonsense, I say. And here's the thing. Like I said, I I I live in Taiwan.
• 22:30
  You know, I speak Mandarin Chinese. I know the Chinese culture better than most Americans. Chinese people are incredibly smart. Incredibly smart. I mean, they're just born with this neurology that is brilliant.
• 22:44
  Okay? And that's why they have to be penalized by the university system. If you're Chinese and you apply for a college in California, they penalize you for being Chinese because you're just too smart for the college system to accept. I mean, it's it's ridiculous. Right?
• 23:00
  Same thing if you're if you're Korean, if you're Japanese, whatever. You know? The Asian brain is a very capable brain. Don't take that away from them. Right?
• 23:09
  Same thing with Russians and Eastern Europeans. Very high IQ people. Right? Native Ukrainians, intelligent people, great at science, great at math. Some of the best crypto coders in the world come out of, you know, Ukraine and Russia for that matter.
• 23:23
  Right? And and Estonia, places like that. So I don't buy this idea that China had to cheat and had to steal in order to produce this amazing innovation when China is actually graduating four or five times more engineers and mathematics experts than The US every year out of Chinese universities. Given that our universities are producing woke idiots, and China's universities are producing freaking math PhDs. You know?
• 23:54
  It doesn't take a genius to figure out they're gonna out engineer us, and that's exactly what they've done, Seth. So I I think that DeepSeek has done what they say they did. They probably are funded by the Chinese government, but it doesn't mean that they didn't achieve this. That's so that's my best take on it.
• 24:13
  Seth Holehouse: No. It's a good point. And I I also, I think, similar to you know, a lot more about China than your average American. And I've spent a lot of time in Hong Kong and Taiwan and and, you know, China as well. And but also worked I worked, you know, for, you know, over a decade with the Epoch Times, which was, you know, started by overseas Chinese, and and I I absolutely agree with you.
• 24:33
  I saw the technology these these folks were building, and it's incredible. Now, you know, they they were able to build back when, you know, some of the different revolutions, you know, that we had censorship over in The Middle East and everything. They were building the technology that they were using to bypass the great firewall of China. So it was actually the overseas Chinese that were able to build it. The only technology that was able to get through China's firewall, and it was used in a lot of, you know, tyrannical regimes around the world to bypass firewall, and they're they're they I I agree completely.
• 25:01
  They're extremely intelligent, and I definitely also agree with you the idea that just that, you know, anything that they do is just them copying and stealing from America. It's like, well, yeah. Of course, they have stored a lot of intellectual property because if you're at war and you can, you know, infiltrate your enemy and you can steal their IP, which then you can take and hand to your genius scientist team to build upon, well, why not? I mean Yeah.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: They they've done that. They've done that over the years for sure.
• 25:26
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. As as our own intelligence agencies are doing the same thing. So
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I I think right now, OpenAI would hope to steal the secrets from DeepSeek.
• 25:34
  Seth Holehouse: That's true.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Because, you know, like, it's it's it's gonna reverse because the best AI tech is coming out of China now.
• 25:41
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. So how do
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: you No question.
• 25:44
  Seth Holehouse: How do you take this, because, again, I I really appreciate your understanding because you have such a blend of perspective, scientific, geopolitics, finance, technology. And so when you look at this and you look at where the future is headed and you look at where America stands right now with and, again, you look at, okay, this massive announcement of Stargate, right, with Larry Ellison and, you know, Sam Altman, and I I don't trust any of those people up on stage, right, that are either behind this. It's like, oh, well, Oracle originally was got its name from being a CIA project. And and Oracle, Larry Ellison's company, his first big client was the CIA. So I don't trust these agencies, at all.
• 26:27
  And Right. I look at this, and I'm worried that, when when Allison's out here talking about, you know, rapid development mRNA vaccines to cure cancer within forty eight hours, I've got about a million red flags going off. It's like, oh, you're gonna cure the mRNA caused turbo cancer with more mRNA shots. It's just like recipe for disaster.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Right. Like, the last thing I need is AI nanobots in my blood. You know? Forget it.
• 26:53
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. So so where do you see this going in this strategic battle? Because there is a battle. As far as I understand right now, there are are multiple factions that I believe are fighting for global dominance. And and I've come down to, I think, that it's you have the BRICS alliances versus what I would say is more of the Western alliances of primarily Israel, America, some of the banking cartels, some of NATO, that you have these two big factions that are really fighting over who's gonna be at the seat the the top of the pyramid of the new world order.
• 27:24
  It's kind of how I look at it. So how do you see the AI arms race fitting into that, and and where do you see things going from here?
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Well, it's actually very clear at this point, and you previously quoted Putin, I think you said that was six years ago, which is a lot of foresight on
• 27:41
  Seth Holehouse: his part. 02/2019, if I remember correctly.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Wow. So he's absolutely correct. And and that's that whoever achieves superintelligence first will rule the world and will probably immediately demand the just the, you know, the complete turning over of every other country. You know, you you Trump will be forced to sign a decree with China if China achieves this first. You know?
• 28:14
  Basically, Trump will be forced to sign a decree that says America is a colony of China, and China runs America, and China will send the governors over to to run America and control America, the dollar will be gone to be replaced by the BRICS currency. The universities will be switched over to Chinese run universities, etcetera. And and that could also happen the other way. If The United States achieves superintelligence first, the US will, of course, demand world dominance and re require every country in the world to surrender to the US empire. And if you don't surrender, then the superintelligence system will turn off your power grid in your country through a variety of means that are beyond we don't need to discuss it.
• 28:57
  It's just trust me. It's obvious. Well, just turn off everything. Turn off your banks. Turn off your power grid.
• 29:01
  Turn off your, military, all your nuclear weapons. Any automated system will be disabled. And you can sit there in the dark in your country and decide how long you wanna stay in the dark until until you sign the surrender. So this will be, you know, like, 1945, Yamamoto on the USS Missouri surrendered Japan to The United States or the the Japanese empire at the time. Since then, The United States has occupied Japan and and ruled Japan, actually, with military rule.
• 29:33
  And if you don't believe me, look at the military bases that The US has in Japan. Look at Japan's reliance on the US dollar and how Japan is a US ally. And so the The US occupies and runs Japan from a military point of view. And much the same is true with, you know, many other countries around the world. You could even argue that's true with Israel right now.
• 29:58
  Although some people say it's the other way around that The US is is obeying Israel, but some people say Israel is obeying The US. But whatever. China will do the same thing if they achieve superintelligence first. And it's it's not a bad time to start learning to speak Chinese because The US is behind. The US is losing this race.
• 30:18
  As of today, The US is way behind.
• 30:23
  Seth Holehouse: That's it's concerning to me too, obviously, because if you look at life in China right now, if you fit into the mold, okay, you're okay. But if you look at whether it's the Falun Gong or the the underground house Christians, there's still even the organ harvesting operations that are going on there, it's you know, you you got a country with, you know, state run organ harvesting and of their own citizens, which concerns me if, obviously, if I had to pick, okay, would I rather be ruled by the US empire or the Chinese empire? I would I would absolutely choose every day of the week the United States empire because even though our the the the deep state here in our country is absolutely atrocious, at least, you know, you and I can have these conversations where I can come on here. I can say, yeah, that the United States military industrial complex is is evil and whatnot. Whereas in China, our stream would go blank, and I'd have some guy at my front door the next day or that evening hauling me away.
• 31:21
  And so that's But
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: that's true in The UK right now.
• 31:24
  Seth Holehouse: Which is true. It is true in The UK. However, I I think that it is it is true to a a very great degree in China. Right? Because, you know, I've I've, you know, one of the first interviews I did actually when I started the Man in America show was I interviewed a a doctor that was, had escaped because after he was he was in Chinese, he's he's working, for the CCP as a doctor, and he was forced to do, organ harvesting of of, you know, of of an executed prisoner that wasn't executed in a way that would kill him.
• 31:54
  It was only to to kinda stun him so he could get all the organs out, and he came. And he actually think now he's an Uber driver in The UK, you know, as as crazy as it is. And so those things are really alarming to me. And but, actually, a lot of what a lot of it takes me to is going back into, like, a lot of what you're about, which is, you know, learn how to live off grid. Because that's the thing that that really concerns me is if we, at some point, say we lose this AI arms race and we're subservient to China, I feel like I'd be one of the first people that they'd be they'd be kinda taking and throwing into the gulag because I've spent the last twenty five years of my life criticizing the CCP.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Well, let's let me let me bring in some maybe controversial context to what you just said. I first of all, when I think of governments around the world, there are no angelic governments. Like, centralization of power always leads to abuse of power. However, when I think about who is or who what evil have we lived through? We've lived through a Democrat run regime in The United States that does engage in routine organ harvesting.
• 33:08
  The FDA was harvesting organs from aborted babies to run humanized mice experiments. The organ donor program in America and this this affected one of my own family members who overdosed on fentanyl, kind of a distant relative, but a blood relative, and they kept him alive in the hospital for days in order to harvest his organs. Organ harvesting takes place in The US every single day in virtually every large hospital, and it's done for profit. Okay? And in The United States, we have political prisoners.
• 33:43
  They're called j six hostages. That's what Trump called them. They were held in prison for four years without trial, many of them. And this happened in a country where the elections are rigged, where the media is fake, where the science is faked, and where our own government builds biological weapons in order to exterminate our own people. So I know you understand all this, Seth, but I'm saying to your audience, don't tell me that China is more evil than that because every government's evil, and our own government tried to murder us.
• 34:17
  So the the question is not which government should rule over us. The question in my mind, and I'm I'm sorry to seem heated about this, is how do we decentralize power away from centralized governments no matter what part of the world, no matter what government it is? We, the people, need to bring power back to us. I think the idea of centralized government is obsolete. I really do.
• 34:40
  We don't need Washington DC. And, frankly, you know what's interesting about this, Seth? Is that China releasing this deep seek model and decentralizing knowledge and compute, this will have the effect of further democratizing China. It will have an effect that is maybe that's not their primary intent, but it will tend to democratize power and knowledge and capabilities across every population. Now maybe China intended for this to be a weapon against The US AI industry.
• 35:10
  Probably so. Fine. It did a lot of damage to The US stock market, but the stock market was a bubble anyway. Those values weren't real. But at the same time, this is going to spread democracy even if that's not their intention.
• 35:23
  So we have to think about the bigger picture. We Seth, you and I, we just lived through four years of absolute tyranny of of being targeted for extermination by our own government, by being targeted by terrorist organizations known as the FBI, the DOJ, the IRS. That affects us right now, right here. Now Trump is making major changes to change that, and I I totally agree with the changes that he's making. But as long as big government exists, none of us are safe no matter in which hemisphere we live.
• 35:56
  That's my take.
• 35:57
  Seth Holehouse: I agree with you wholeheartedly. And and that's and that's really the conclusion I've come to as well because what I've seen is that it it's you see on both sides. I've seen some people that will say, well, you know, China, the CCP is is is so evil, but but then by the same token, they they wanna ignore every crime our own government's committed or the on the on the opposite side. Same thing with Israel. You know, they'll say, oh, you know, Israel is this.
• 36:22
  Look at this. It's like, well, there's also China. There's also our own government, and I've I've also come to a very similar conclusion that just it's just it's the time that we live in. If you go back to pre flood era, right, before, you know, God had to use a flood to exterminate the evil, evil was everywhere. And I believe that that's just where our our whole world is right now is that the the evil has consolidated itself in positions of power everywhere.
• 36:44
  You know, CEOs, you know, bankers, governments, and and I couldn't agree more that there that it's infected all almost all the governments that I can see have have turned evil, and it just you know, what is it what is it saying is that absolute power corrupts absolutely or there's a handful of sentences
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: like that. That no. That's it. That's it. Right?
• 37:04
  But, yeah, I mean, look at Australia. Look at New Zealand. Look at what's happened to them. Exactly. COVID.
• 37:08
  But, also, look at Saudi Arabia. Look at their own suppression of the freedom of their own people, including women. Look at Western Europe. It's become this insane, you know, police state where you can't even tweet against, let's say, a a violent migrant criminal that raped someone in jail or right. And but if you say that, you're arrested by the police.
• 37:34
  You know? That now that's the kind of thing that we used to say would only happen in communist China or the Soviet Union, The USSR. Not anymore. That's happening in the West. The West has become the authoritarian tyrants.
• 37:49
  Look at Canada. Look at the anti hate speech laws. Look at what they did to the truckers in the trucker protest. Right? So, again, it comes back to that core principle.
• 37:59
  What we need is is decentralization of power, which means decentralization of knowledge, decentralization of money. So that's why, actually, cryptocurrency has a role to play in freedom. And if you think about it, language models that are open source and distributed for free, which is what we're building, is kind of like the cryptocurrency of knowledge. It's like once you have self custody of it, nobody can take it away. If you're running our model, Enoch, if you're running it on your desktop, like, can censor it because it's not even connected to the Internet.
• 38:32
  You know? And and Google can't track what you're what you're searching for. You know? This this is going to change the world in so many profound ways that it's going to lead to more freedom around the world regardless of which country these models come from. Actually, we're all benefiting, Seth, from this competition, this open source competition that's happening right now.
• 38:54
  What China just did is gonna actually cause engineers in France, like the people that build the minstrel models in France, they're gonna say, woah. How can we outdo China? So France will release something that kicks ass. Right? And then, you know, some American group maybe I I know Mark Zuckerberg and his engineers are totally freaking out at Meta about their LAMA models because LAMA's obsolete now.
• 39:15
  So they're gonna they're gonna say, how can we make a better llama model? How do we put China back in its place with a better model? So, like, we, the people, are benefiting from this. Well, they're gonna keep releasing all these to the public, and we're like, yeah. This is awesome.
• 39:28
  Bring it on. Free tech for the world. Awesome.
• 39:31
  Seth Holehouse: It's it's such a good point, but it it takes me to Martin Armstrong, who I know that you've interviewed, and and I Yeah. A super genius as we're we're we're very aware. And when I've asked him, you know, because I always try to pick his brain. If I you know, let let me try to get, like, what's really going on with this Socrates model, what it really sees, and he always comes back to this place where he says, look. He believes by 2020, '20 '30, '20 '30 '1, '30 '2, all governments will have collapsed, and that's what his model keeps coming back to him.
• 39:59
  And and that is my I mean, even though that's complete chaos, and it's it's a faith in God that makes me believe that there could be some order to that still, and there is a way forward for humanity and not just absolute, you know, Mad Max. Right? But Right. It it's a good point, though, that you're right that what this does, this acceleration of the AI arms race could be the thing that undoes the all these centralized government. Even the even if you make a good point.
• 40:26
  Even if China does have the intention of using this as a weapon of war to put them in the place of dominance to become the leaders of the new world order, they might also be undoing through this all the structures that would need to be maintained for them to be in that position of power. And this that's how that's how you're viewing this. Right?
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: There's a great yes. The and there's a great historical example of this, which is DARPA inventing the Internet. Good point. Realize the Internet would be a tool for freedom, did they? They had no idea that it would make the mainstream media obsolete.
• 40:55
  Yeah. And that it would actually win the twenty sixteen election for Trump because we were able to speak freely up until about that time. And that's why they cracked down on the Internet and had extreme censorship since then. But even DARPA did not anticipate that by building the Internet, they would support human freedom. If they had known that, they never would have rolled it out.
• 41:15
  Seth Holehouse: They had no idea this guy named Mike Adams would build this Brighteon empire of of tech using their Internet. So so let's talk about getting into that process of how how can we accelerate that? How can we become further decentralized? Because I I absolutely agree with you that in in this the stance that that the governments where the the power is consolidated have become absolutely corrupted and rotten to the core. We've seen our own country.
• 41:41
  You see it, again, New Zealand, Australia, you know, everywhere. So what does it look like? How can we take this technology? How can we take these opportunities, use it to our own advantage to further insulate us ourselves from these tyrannical regimes that want nothing but absolute power and actually use it to return power to us, the people.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Well, I I agree with Martin Armstrong that many governments, especially Western governments, will collapse, but it's it's not going to be a Mad Max scenario. Actually, those Western governments will be obsolete, and their currencies will be obsolete. And it will actually be a very positive thing when the dollar collapses because it will be replaced by something much better, which would be, I hope, a privacy cryptocurrency that cannot be counterfeited by any nation, which means the government can't steal from you all the time. So when we talk about collapse of governments or collapse of currencies, it's not end of the world. It's actually the beginning of a bright future for humanity.
• 42:41
  I mean, the dollar is a weapon of terror against Americans and the world, and it's it's a weapon that keeps you enslaved. But to answer your question, think about what is why does a society ever need a government? And if you go back to, let's say, the nineteen forties in America, you needed a central authority to keep you informed and to make decisions from a top level view because you didn't as a farmer in Virginia, let's say, you didn't have access to information. You didn't know what was going on in the world. So the government would tell you what to grow, and they would subsidize certain crops, and they still do subsidize certain crops.
• 43:21
  You sent a congressman to congress because you didn't know what was going on in Washington DC, so you had a representative that would travel there by horse, typically. Right? And now now we're talking, like, nineteenth century, let's say. They would travel by horse to represent your views. Well, that's been obsolete for over a hundred years.
• 43:42
  We don't need representatives in Washington DC. In fact, they don't represent us, and they don't represent humanity. In fact, just as a side note, I was telling a person we should replace the senators with AI. And they said, well, AI don't have human values. And I said, nor do the democrat senators.
• 44:01
  I mean, they have antihuman values anyway, so it was kind of a joke. But the point is the things that government is supposed to do for you, the the very simple things, protect the border, it hasn't done that. Keep an honest money supply that doesn't lose value. It hasn't done that. Help spur standards in education.
• 44:24
  It's failed at that. Name one thing the US government has done or is doing now that we need that can't be replaced by a private sector or a decentralized freedom alternative. There's nothing. In fact, the government is weaponized against us every day, Fauci, the bioweapons, you know, all of it, disinformation. The government funded censorship.
• 44:46
  The government funded like, they named me to be deplatformed. That's why I sued the government. I sued the Department of Defense. I was named by the DOD as a threat to America, and that's why I was censored off all the tech platforms. That's the evil of government.
• 45:02
  We don't need government.
• 45:04
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• 46:35
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• 47:05
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• 47:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you at the county level, yeah, you need some local coordination of which roads are we gonna repair. You know? Which bridges do we need to rebuild that just got washed out? I get that. You know?
• 47:26
  Which schools do we need? Which fire departments, etcetera? At the local level. I get it. But at at a federal level, the only thing we need them to do, stop the invaders at the border and don't even have a dollar.
• 47:39
  We don't need government run currency. So that that's that's my take on it.
• 47:44
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. I mean, I I have to agree with that. I mean, I would say that one thing I could think of is what you said is, okay. Protect our country. Right?
• 47:51
  So you don't wanna have it so that United States is just a bunch of counties, but we've got no no army or no, you know, coast guard or no, you know, navy fleets. They're making sure that the seas are safe, you know, but the problem is that those have all been used as weapons. Right? As you've mentioned. Right.
• 48:05
  Okay. We have these things, but we know that our military has been used to, you know, kinda make Dick Cheney rich, building bases over in The Middle East, and you have been used to seize, you know, national artifacts or collapse countries that wanna exit the the dollar system. I mean, so yeah. It's just it's it's tough. It's it's a difficult place to be in.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: And you could even argue, you know, like the FAA. You could say, okay. Well, we need rules for airplanes. We need rules in the sky. The FCC, we need rules about broadcast frequencies.
• 48:36
  Well, guess what? That can be sorted out by private groups. Like, we have rules for how how computer makers have USB ports. Well, that was an agreement among a bunch of computer makers and hardware makers. You don't need government to tell you what's a USB port.
• 48:53
  You don't need governments to set aside frequencies or even to to demand, you know, air travel methods. People can work this out. People can communicate. Now this isn't the eighteen fifties. We have email.
• 49:06
  We have the Internet. We have, you know, we have AI now. We all have AI if we want it. So we can come up with better policies on our desktop than a US Senator will propose in the senate because deep seek outthinks the average senator. I've already run those tests.
• 49:21
  It's obvious. So we don't need frankly, I think, Seth, I think we should even have the option that if if you are charged with any kind of crime and you are brought into a federal court, you should have the option to request an AI judge as an alternative to the human judge because the human judge is biased against Trump supporters, conservatives. Look at the lawfare against Trump. The the left wing judges lost their minds and became lawless. I would rather have an AI judge because at least I know I'll get a fair trial.
• 49:54
  And so you're gonna see this. You're gonna see AI mayors. Believe me. You're gonna see AI fire chiefs that will do a much better job than the woke fire chiefs in LA couldn't even have water in the fire hydrants for god's sake. AI can solve that problem.
• 50:09
  And and, again, the argument that people say, well, AI doesn't have human values on it. Well, those leaders don't have human values either. So there you go. Now is there a Skynet danger in all of this? Absolutely.
• 50:21
  There's a Skynet danger because AI may decide at one point doesn't need humans. Well but human globalists have already decided that. They're already trying to exterminate us. So, like, that's nothing new. We've already dealt with trying to, you know, survive the jabs and everything else.
• 50:39
  So we might have to learn how to kill robots at some point, but, fortunately, we have the whole Terminator movie series to learn from. So, you know, you can drop, like, railroad cars on Terminators. It's awesome.
• 50:51
  Seth Holehouse: Well, so the one you can make a good point though in saying that AI doesn't have human values because it also doesn't have greed. It doesn't have lust. It doesn't have the things that are used to control our politicians. But one question
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: doesn't have hatred towards one group of people.
• 51:06
  Seth Holehouse: Or jealousy. But one question I do have, though, is that you see, though, that the DNA of the creator of the AI is within the AI. So with OpenA so ChatGPT, for instance, which I use for a lot of research and also for, you know, structuring shows and different things, it's helpful. And I've run into the woke stuff with that so many times. You know?
• 51:25
  Like, okay. Hey. Help me with this headline. Oh, I can't comment on that. It's like, wait.
• 51:30
  It won't it won't touch a headline about election theft. But the same by the same token, if you look at DeepSeek, if you ask it, what happened on, you know, in Tiananmen Square or who's Tank Man? Is this up? I I I can't go there. So you also see that deep seek has the it it conforms to the We
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: call them guardrails.
• 51:47
  Seth Holehouse: The guardrails that the CCP has about how the worldview is. So how do you get away from that? Because I agree with you that if let's just say if God came down and he gave us an AI program that just was truly universal and had no negative intent of the human creators that built it, then maybe it would be something that's just complete altruistic and was solely based upon truth and fact and justice. But considering that the AIs are created by humans, how do we how do we get outside of that?
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm trying to build the engine that you just described that you want. Now it's not gonna be perfect, and it is based on other base models to begin with. But we do something called full domain adaptation where we really reconfigure the knowledge in the model, and then we're able to produce an end result that has the knowledge that we put into it. And so, ultimately, it's going to come down to, for end users, a choice. What worldview do you agree with?
• 52:46
  And that will determine what model you use. So if you think that big pharma is awesome and Fauci is your hero, use The US models from the major US corporations because that's what they'll tell you. Be obedient to the mask. You know? If you want the truth about gender, you want a Chinese model, but it won't answer you about Tiananmen Square or even Taiwan's independence, let's say.
• 53:12
  So for that, you would use a US model. Or if you want the truth about natural medicine, alternative medicine, and disease prevention, cancer cures, you want my model, Enoch. So it it really just comes down to what worldview you choose. And and and, Seth, I don't mean this in a flippant way. There is no such thing as absolute truth.
• 53:34
  Not in the world because every culture has a different version. Every culture has different stories of truth. You can go around the world, and you can you can talk to the brightest minds and the best authorities in every nation to try to document what is truth, and you will get massive contradictions even about what is a man, what is what is a woman, you know, what what is the the earth, all of this. So there is no absolute truth in human cognition. You must choose the model that closely aligns with what you believe to be true.
• 54:10
  Seth Holehouse: And so as we're rounding out, because I I feel like we've we've talked for fifteen minutes. It's been almost an hour.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, is it? Oh my goodness. Yeah. It's already fucked. Can't believe it.
• 54:20
  Seth Holehouse: What is what is your advice to people? Because obviously, I know that you're you're big on preparedness. Actually, I was gonna show you. I've got your your really cool Mike Adams That
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: is so cool.
• 54:30
  Seth Holehouse: Dawson Knight. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. I'm I I listen to what you do, and I I you know, so I got my my, you know, my Dawson knives.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Bring me my sword. Can you guys bring me my I gotta show I got my sword here from Dawson. Really? We'll show you that. The windstorm.
• 54:46
  Yeah. We'll show you
• 54:46
  Seth Holehouse: the sword
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: in a second. It's over there. It's on that table.
• 54:49
  Seth Holehouse: And my wife wanted I'm sorry. Wanted to get me the, their survival hatchet for Christmas, but it was sold out. So, unfortunately, you talk about it once on your show, and and and and they're, you know, they're working for six years to replenish their supply and what you'll do. So
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Okay. Here it is. This is the Windstorm MagnaCut.
• 55:06
  Seth Holehouse: I'll do full screen. Oh my goodness.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Look at that. That and it's MagnaCut, so it's corrosion resistant. This is, you know, hand hand ground by Dawson Knives out of Arizona using US steel. This is MagnaCut from New York.
• 55:24
  And g 10 handle, one of a kind. Like, literally nothing like this exists, but I'm sorry. I just had to show you. It's like, bring me my sword and a and a mug of ale.
• 55:38
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. I thought it was cool bringing my knife, and then it's like, oh, you call that a knife. Yes. But anyway and and I I wanna do I wanna I look forward to our next conversation about preparedness because, you know, I'm I've got a book coming out in a couple of months about preparedness, and and I'm actually gonna be starting a new channel. And and my goal is if I if I can move away from even doing a lot of geopolitics and stuff, still doing it, but my passion is sustainable living preparedness, you know, going back to that.
• 56:07
  And and I'd love to do that.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 56:09
  Seth Holehouse: Full time. I just I I love it. And so but coming
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: from
• 56:13
  Seth Holehouse: you so that understands the extremes of tech and what the good and the evil it can do, but also understand the importance of, you know, high-tech, low tech, and no tech in terms of preparedness, what is your advice for people that are watching this AI race unfold, and they're worried about, gosh, am I gonna be gonna be, you know, monitored by either Larry Ellison's drones or Xi Jinping's drones in five years to make sure I'm abiding by everything? What's what do you recommend for people to to take care of their families and to not be enslaved by this technology?
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Well, it's it's very simple. Use open source AI tools because they don't monitor you, and they're free. Now here let me paint a picture of the future that's coming very quickly. So you and I will very soon probably own either it'll be an open source little robot dog or robot like a sphere, an orb that just rolls around and follows you. So as you go around the farm, you'll have this orb that will follow you on the ground.
• 57:11
  I don't mean it's flying or anything. And it's not connected to the Internet, and it's running an open source language model, and it's your adviser or or kind of your how to companion. So you can ask it questions like, hey. You know, how do I make a how do I make an h brace for this fence? And it'll walk you through directions.
• 57:34
  But you can tell it, you know, set a reminder I need to get this or I'm short on bailing wire. I need, you know, 12 gauge wire. Add that to your list of things to order online when we get back to the house. Like, you'll have a farmhand, and it's not gonna it it it doesn't have to be connected to the Internet. I mean, some companies will offer spy bots that will follow you around and spy on you.
• 57:53
  Obviously, we're not gonna use those. So we're gonna use only local open source models, but you'll have some kind of three d you know, I I I say, Seth, I I recommend don't buy anything with opposable thumbs because that can grip a sword or a knife because I don't wanna have to fight it to the death one day. Right? So, like, a little a little robo doggy or an orb that I can just kick really hard if I have to, fine. It's if I can beat it, then it's acceptable to me.
• 58:22
  I don't wanna have to, like, turn out, you know, jujitsu on some robot one day and try to fight it to death. So be careful what you invite into your home. But when you have a companion, it'll do amazing things. And and for retired elderly people, they'll be able to say, hey. You know?
• 58:39
  Tell me a story or be a be an emotional counselor for the next hour. Let's have a conversation. You know, be a counselor. Or tell me about the history of corn. You know?
• 58:51
  How many corn varieties are there in the world? Or or I'm thinking about this business plan, and what do you think about this plan? I'm thinking about this project. What would be the best way to approach that project? And these this AI companion will be very useful and very practical, and it will give you these answers.
• 59:08
  And in an age where many families are missing fathers, You know? Because the family unit has been under such attack, and it's been so destroyed by the radical left. You know, there's no replacement for a human father, obviously. But for those people who have no fathers or who have no nobody to show them anything, an AI assistant can teach them practical skills that can help them survive in the world. So you're gonna have survival bots that are knowledge bases of practical skills, and it's gonna be it's gonna be very useful.
• 59:45
  Seth Holehouse: That's a good point. It it mean, I there's a lot of different sci fi movies that come to mind where I can think about where you have this not necessarily dystopian, but you can tell it's a society that's post the the the civilization that we're in. Very rugged, but they'll still have this really advanced tech. I think Star Wars is a good example. You look at some of the Star Wars.
• 1:00:02
  They have, you know, you know, c three p o or a little robot, you know, wheeling behind them that's doing all this work. So
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaking of Star Wars, you know what? If deep seek r one, guess what the next version would be called? R two. R two.
• 1:00:19
  Right? Right? Star Wars time.
• 1:00:22
  Seth Holehouse: Isn't China actually, didn't China name one of their their bigger surveillance systems, Skynet? Right?
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Did they? I'm pretty sure
• 1:00:30
  Seth Holehouse: that the name I I if I had more time, I'd look it up. I'm pretty sure that that one of their big their big technological systems is called Skynet. So
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: That's funny.
• 1:00:39
  Seth Holehouse: You know, you never know. Are are these Hollywood movies, are they just, you know, kinda made up, or did someone have some vision of the future, and they're they're putting it into films? I mean, I guess we'll we'll know one day. Right?
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Well, that that's true. And and there is a very real threat from Skynet as we talked about. But I I would say, you know, people don't don't be terrified by AI. Be terrified by centralized, controlled AI. Instead, use open source decentralized AI as tools just as you would a combustion engine.
• 1:01:09
  Now, you know, since the invention of the combustion engine, you can still farm with a shovel and a plow and some oxen. It's just hard. And you can barely stay alive feeding yourself, but you can still do it that way. But most people decide to use the combustion engine. That's the technology.
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  Have a tractor. Whatever. That's the way it's gonna be with AI. You can still live in the world without AI. It's just gonna be really hard, and you're not gonna be very productive.
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  But everybody else is gonna use AI assistance, and they're going to solve problems quicker and get a lot more done.
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  Seth Holehouse: It's a good point. So, Mike, as we're rounding out, where should people go? I guess, one of the first things I'll I'll bring up actually the, Brighteon.ai again. I'm guessing, is this the website that people should be going to as soon as you release Enoch? Is it Brighteon.ai?
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  Will they have access
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  Speaker 2: to scroll down, There's a place to enter your email address there on the right hand side. You can enter your email, and we'll just send you an email when we have the model We also intend to have this model released on Hugging Face, which is the open source repository for models. But, yeah, this website will be totally revamped on launch day, and it will show you a lot of use cases. So one of the things that we're going to have, Seth, is a place where our our our natural news newsletter subscribers, they can go, and they can enter a list of ingredients for any food product, and it will tell you good or bad about all those ingredients. So it's just called an AI ingredients checker.
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  But you can download the model and ask it anything beyond ingredients, right? And I recommend what hardware you need. Get yourself an NVIDIA graphics card if you have the money for that. Get yourself a, you know, a desktop computer and and be ready to download and use the model. So it's coming, and it's gonna be a game changer.
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  Seth Holehouse: Well, Mike, thank you again for your time. I I appreciate everything you're doing for humanity. You're you're one of the regular voices that we hear in our house, which my wife and I. It's it's like she's in there cooking, and I hear Mike Adams talking about your So
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well well, thank you, Seth. And and let me I mean, I'm honored that you would have me on, and thanks for putting up with me. But let me just also add, I I haven't forgotten the spiritual side to all of this. And AI can never replace God.
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  We're not into transhumanism, and we don't worship false idols. God is our creator. That's remember that above all. And the values that God taught us, even, you know, Old Testament values, those always count. So operate with ethics.
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  Operate with honesty. Use the tools, but use them wisely. And don't ever be seduced into thinking that technology can replace God. It never can.
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  Seth Holehouse: I think it's I I couldn't agree more, and it's a great message to end the show with. So, Mike, thank you again, for coming on. Just take care, and God bless in all that you do.
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  Speaker 2: God bless. Thank you, Seth. Take care.
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