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Sharri | 1 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: Bit is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening coming up tonight, Will and Grace Starr. Deborah
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Speaker 3: Messing has revealed she felt betrayed by Hollywood after the
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Speaker 3: October seven attacks. I've done a sit down interview with
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Speaker 3: the actress where she's deeply personal about the battles of
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Speaker 3: the past two and a half years.
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Speaker 4: I felt betrayed, I felt abandoned, I felt maligned.
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Speaker 3: That exclusive interview with Deborah Messing in a moment as
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hansen saw as a head of labor in the polls,
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Speaker 3: is Tony Abbott the answer to the Liberal Party's woes?
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Speaker 5: We'll talk about that and the.
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Speaker 3: Isis Bride given a passpot to enter Australia and now
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Speaker 3: facing court for allegedly trying to recruit Australians but who
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Speaker 3: led her back into the country. Plus the Bankstour nurses
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Speaker 3: launch a bid to have the viral video where they
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Speaker 3: allegedly threatened to kill Israeli's thrown out of court. All
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Speaker 3: of that and more coming up, but first tonight. Tony
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Speaker 3: Abbott was voted in as the Liberal Party's federal president
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Speaker 3: on Friday. His great strength is as a campaigner and
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Speaker 3: this is where the Coalition has been hopelessly inept in
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Speaker 3: the past two federal campaigns, and already Abbott is outlining
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Speaker 3: a clear agenda with simple messaging. Here's his plan acts
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Speaker 3: Labour's toxic taxes, scrap net zero, end mass migration, Put
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Speaker 3: Australians first. Abbott knows how to cut through, how to
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Speaker 3: mount an argument with the public and win them over.
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Speaker 3: And this is what the Liberal Party needs, both against Labor,
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Speaker 3: against the Albaneze government, but also coming up against one nation.
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Speaker 3: Abbott's experience will also be crucial in the Victorian state
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Speaker 3: election this year. It was his first day in the
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Speaker 3: job today and he did the media rounds on the
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Speaker 3: Today Show, on the ABC and more, and he targeted
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister for not putting all Australians on equal footing.
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Speaker 6: Why I think it's so a humiliating for our nation
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Speaker 6: when the Prime Minister can't do a public event without
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Speaker 6: standing in front of three flags, not the one national
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Speaker 6: flag that represents us all, and can't open his mouth
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Speaker 6: without suggesting that some Australians are more worthy of acknowledgment
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Speaker 6: than others.
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Speaker 2: And I just think this is wrong.
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Speaker 3: Tony Abbott insisted today that his role was to help
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Speaker 3: Angus Taylor become prime minister. And Taylor has long been
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Speaker 3: considered his protege.
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Speaker 6: So your first day on the job at Pauline rockets
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Speaker 6: ahead of everyone in the polls. Yes, And my job
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Speaker 6: is to help Angus Taylor to that around. And I'm
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Speaker 6: confident that over time we can because, as I say,
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Speaker 6: if you look back to the record of some previous
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Speaker 6: liberal government such as my own, we did scrap taxes,
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Speaker 6: we did cut migration, particularly illegal migration, and we didn't
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Speaker 6: have any missions obsession.
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Speaker 3: Abbott has made it very clear today that his focus
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Speaker 3: as party president is not to fight the right but
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Speaker 3: to focus on the Albertezy government.
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Speaker 6: My job is to not fight on the right side.
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Speaker 6: To speak, my job is to ensure that as far
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Speaker 6: as is humanly possible, all of us are focused on
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Speaker 6: getting rid of an absolutely terrible government, the worst government
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Speaker 6: living memory.
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Speaker 3: Well, this comes as Pauline Hansen did a fascinating interview
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Speaker 3: with my colleague Andrew Clanel yesterday where she wouldn't rule
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Speaker 3: out wanting to become prime minister.
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Speaker 2: Do you want to be prime minister, Pauline Hanson?
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Speaker 7: Do I want to be prime Minister? Well, I'll tell
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Speaker 7: you what. I won't knock the job, Andrew, because I
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Speaker 7: believe that I have the ability to do it. I'm
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Speaker 7: not going to underestimate myself for say no, I can't
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Speaker 7: do it.
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Speaker 3: Her answer there her ambition terrifies both the Albanezy government
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Speaker 3: and the coalition. The political political establishment is so threatened
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Speaker 3: by Pauline that they're asking whether she's too old to lead.
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Speaker 3: She's just turned seventy two. She's seven years younger than
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Speaker 3: the current president of the United States, and nearly eight
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Speaker 3: years younger because Trump turns eighty in two weeks time.
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Speaker 3: Yet Pauline has had to respond to questions about her age.
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Speaker 8: It will come down to my health. I've got nothing
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Speaker 8: wrong with me. I take no medication nothing. I've got
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Speaker 8: more energy in me than a lot of these other people.
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Speaker 8: My staff are plot out keeping up with me from
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Speaker 8: eight o'clock in the morning till ten eleven o'clock at night.
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Speaker 8: I can still run down the halls of Parliament in
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Speaker 8: my heels when I have to get to the chamber,
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Speaker 8: So don't underestimate me.
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Speaker 3: These questions show more about those asking them than Pauline,
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Speaker 3: and it shows that the media and political circles are
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Speaker 3: getting juttery about her success and how quickly she's ascending
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Speaker 3: the polls.
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Speaker 5: And this comes as new polling.
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Speaker 3: Today shows, as you would have heard by now, that
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Speaker 3: One Nation is now the most popular political party, jumping
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Speaker 3: four percent in the primary vote survey, surging even ahead
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Speaker 3: of Labor Well with Pauline Hanson rising in the polls.
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Speaker 3: Tony Abbot is potentially accounted to this. But tonight, just tonight,
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Speaker 3: Pauline already challenged Tony Abbott to return to politics if
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Speaker 3: he wants to be leader.
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Speaker 7: You know he's getting involved now because he knows they're
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Speaker 7: in real problems. Tony, if you really want to get
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Speaker 7: involved and act like the leader, then put up your
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Speaker 7: hand and stand for Parliament.
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Speaker 3: That on Andrew Bolt's show just a moment ago. Well,
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Speaker 3: the reality is Tony Abbott risks overshadowing Angus Taylor. Yet
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Speaker 3: Abbot has what Angus Taylor has been struggling to achieve,
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Speaker 3: cut through sharp messages and an unapologetic appeal to Australian values.
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Speaker 3: We'll talk more about that a bit later with Ray Hadley.
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Speaker 3: But now you remember the shocking case where two nurses
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Speaker 3: in a major public hospital allegedly boasted about killing Israeli patients.
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Speaker 3: The Bankstown Hospital nurses were stood down after they were
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Speaker 3: allegedly caught on camera threatening to kill Israeli's They were
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Speaker 3: recorded in a conversation with content creator Max Weifer and
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Speaker 3: just a reminder, here's a snippet of that record.
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Speaker 2: Man good, hurry, woman, pretty good? Are you a nurse?
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Speaker 2: A doctor? I'm a doctor moment, But what about you
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Speaker 2: where you're from? I'm from Israel, from the whole land.
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Speaker 9: But I'm so upset that Israeli, Like, eventually're gonna get
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Speaker 9: killed and you're gonna go to Jehanna and La.
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Speaker 2: Why do you think? Why do you think I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: get killed?
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Speaker 3: Well, police claim that they said they'd already killed Israeli
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Speaker 3: patients and insisted they.
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Speaker 5: Do it again.
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Speaker 3: Yet the nurses, well their legal team, are now seeking
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Speaker 3: to have this video struck out as evidence because it
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Speaker 3: was partly recorded in New South Wales, where it's illegal
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Speaker 3: to record a private conversation without consent.
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Speaker 6: We will argue for it to be excluded. It was
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Speaker 6: a private conversation, it was recorded secretly without my client's consent.
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Speaker 10: They're not in the terms and conditions of a platform
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Speaker 10: like the Jewish witnesses of the Royal Commission said, your
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Speaker 10: client's conduct made them feel scared go to hospital.
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Speaker 11: What comment do you have to.
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Speaker 3: That Caroline Marcus doing a great job, is always there today? Well,
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Speaker 3: one of the nurses Ahmed Russia, Nada has a very
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Speaker 3: senior barrister, Greg James Casey, who described Max Viefa as
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Speaker 3: an online propaganda warrior.
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Speaker 10: Content creator. Mister Alinski testified that he recorded all his
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Speaker 10: conversations online for his own protection due to the number
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Speaker 10: of threats that he had received since October seven. He
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Speaker 10: also said that he'd so far caused five people to
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Speaker 10: lose their jobs, including a taxi driver from Denmark, a
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Speaker 10: tech guy from Canada, and another nurse from the Netherlands
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Speaker 10: who had threatened to inject Israeli patients with an extra
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Speaker 10: dose of drugs.
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Speaker 5: When this story.
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Speaker 3: When this viral video first came to light in February
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Speaker 3: last year, New Southel's health Minister Ryan Park told me
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Speaker 3: their alleged conduct was disgusting.
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Speaker 5: And he said the video was vile and appalling. He
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Speaker 5: made it clear he.
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Speaker 3: Did not want to give them a scerici of light
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Speaker 3: to be able to somehow weasel their way back into
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Speaker 3: New South Wales Health and he also said he wished
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Speaker 3: these people weren't in our society. It was really strong
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Speaker 3: and clear eyed language. Yet now in court there are
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Speaker 3: arguments to have the video struck out and the attack
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Speaker 3: is turning on Max Viefer for daring to record the
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Speaker 3: nurse's offensive diatribe. But there needs to be consequences. An
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Speaker 3: alleged expression of hatred and murderous intent caught on camera
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Speaker 3: has to.
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Speaker 5: Be dealt with seriously.
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Speaker 3: Now we're learning more about one of the so called
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Speaker 3: Isis brides. Here is footage released by police of the
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Speaker 3: thirty four year old Ryan l who faced caught today
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Speaker 3: in Melbourne charged with terrorism offenses. It's alleged that she
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Speaker 3: tried to indoctrinate her children, tried to recruit other Australians
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Speaker 3: to travel to Syria to join Islamic State, and has
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Speaker 3: not undertaken any anti terror programs because it's all a
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Speaker 3: bit much for her. The Herald reports that police alleged
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Speaker 3: that while she was there she married a number of
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Speaker 3: members and that's members of AS and expressed radicalized views
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Speaker 3: and supports for terrorist acts, including martyrdom. Chief Magistrate Lisa
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Speaker 3: Hannon said Elholey was also accused of expressing support.
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Speaker 5: For the killing of non believers.
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Speaker 3: It's alleged that she left Syria because of the defeat
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Speaker 3: of the Caliphate, not because her views had changed, and
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Speaker 3: we heard police say this last week.
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Speaker 12: It will be alleged the woman traveled to Syria but
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Speaker 12: to Queen twenty thirteen and twenty fourteen to join ISIS.
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Speaker 12: The woman was detained by Kurdish forces in March twenty
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Speaker 12: nineteen and held with her other family members in the
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Speaker 12: ol Hal internally displaced persons camp. She returned to Australia
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Speaker 12: from Lebanon with another woman on twenty sixth September twenty
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Speaker 12: twenty five.
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Speaker 3: Now Rayana arrived in court last week wearing a kneecap
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Speaker 3: where only her eyes were visible, but today reportedly she
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Speaker 3: wore a blue Hidge app with her face visible and
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Speaker 3: we're told that she did this as an act of
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Speaker 3: good faith. The court heard she traveled to Syria to
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Speaker 3: join Islamic State in twenty thirteen or fourteen and returned
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Speaker 3: to Australia as the police just said in September last year,
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Speaker 3: but it's not known how she got into the country
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Speaker 3: or who helped her but it seems the government may
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Speaker 3: have helped her because the ABC reports that Rayane paid
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Speaker 3: a smuggler to get into Lebanon, where her children then
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Speaker 3: underwent DNA tests and the family then successfully applied for
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Speaker 3: Australian passports, enabling them to return to Melbourne. So this
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Speaker 3: seems to be another case of the Albanzi government claiming
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Speaker 3: to know nothing when it issued this woman and her
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Speaker 3: family passports, and she has now been living in Australia
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Speaker 3: among the community for eight months before she was charged
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Speaker 3: last week by police with being a member of a
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Speaker 3: terrorist organization. This, in my view, is extremely dangerous. Why
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Speaker 3: would the Albanese government allow this woman, described by a
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Speaker 3: magistrate today as posing a serious risk and facing extremely
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Speaker 3: concerning charges back into the country to roam and live
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Speaker 3: freely among the community at a time when terrorism is
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Speaker 3: Islamic state pose a severe threat to life. It's cases
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Speaker 3: like this that explain why voters are turning to one nation.
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Speaker 3: Emmy Award winning actress and human rights advocate Deborah Messing
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Speaker 3: has been one of the only Hollywood A listers to
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Speaker 3: speak out against Andy Semitism and in support of Israel
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Speaker 3: over the past two and a half years. She's in
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Speaker 3: Australia at the moment, and I had the privilege of
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Speaker 3: sitting down with her in her only interview during the visit.
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Speaker 3: The full interview runs for forty minutes, so here's a shorter,
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Speaker 3: edited extract from our conversation on stage at last night's
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Speaker 3: Jewish Communal Appeal event Huge Welcome to Australia. It's incredible
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Speaker 3: your personal journey from hiding your religion, from being too
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Speaker 3: afraid to even tell people you were Jewish, to becoming
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Speaker 3: this incredible global voice for.
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Speaker 5: The Jewish community.
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Speaker 3: And that was something that began even before October seven.
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Speaker 3: I'll come back to that in a minute, but as
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Speaker 3: I understand it, you actually wanted your character Grace in
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Speaker 3: Will and Grace deliberately to be Jewish, and you asked
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Speaker 3: for that to happen.
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Speaker 5: Is that right?
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Speaker 4: That is true. We knew that when we were starting
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Speaker 4: the show. We thought it would be canceled after two episodes.
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Speaker 4: We were like, people are not going to accept these
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Speaker 4: gay people. And I recognized that while we were trying
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Speaker 4: to change hearts and minds around the gay community, that
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Speaker 4: there was an opportunity to change hearts and minds around
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Speaker 4: Jews and the Jewish community, and I felt like it
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Speaker 4: was a responsibility to do so. And so the writers,
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Speaker 4: who were both Jewish by the way, agreed, and I
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Speaker 4: just said to them, I want her to be as
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Speaker 4: Jewish as possible.
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Speaker 11: I want everything.
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Speaker 4: I want her to go to Camp Rama, I want
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Speaker 4: her to climb under the passover Satyr table for the
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Speaker 4: Offie Coleman.
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Speaker 11: I want you.
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Speaker 4: Know, I said I every time, any time possible, I would.
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Speaker 11: I want it referenced. And they did.
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Speaker 4: They agreed, they agreed, and they did it, and I
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Speaker 4: am forever grateful.
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Speaker 5: And it really.
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Speaker 4: Hit home when I started getting letters from young girls
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Speaker 4: and women saying thank you, I finally see myself on
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Speaker 4: Prime TV.
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Speaker 3: It was quite a trial blazing show in that respect,
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Speaker 3: both for the gay community and the Jewish community.
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Speaker 11: Yes, yes, it was.
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Speaker 4: It's one of the things I'm most proud about in
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Speaker 4: my entire life.
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Speaker 5: Huge congratulations for that.
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Speaker 3: As I mentioned before, you had already been speaking out
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Speaker 3: or even campaigning on anti semitism several years before October seven,
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Speaker 3: But really October seven was the turning point when your
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Speaker 3: voice went global. Do you remember and can you tell
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Speaker 3: us a bit about your reaction and do you remember
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Speaker 3: when you first heard about the Harmas attacks on Israel.
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Speaker 4: I just remember sitting in my kitchen watching the news
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Speaker 4: and just going cold, just feeling paralyzed. The shark was instant,
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Speaker 4: the trauma was instant, the fear was instant, and the
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Speaker 4: grief was instant. And I expected the entire globe to
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Speaker 4: mourn with us. And the next day I saw the
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Speaker 4: Sydney Opera House and that was the moment that I
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Speaker 4: realized that we were alone and no one was going
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Speaker 4: to mourn for.
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Speaker 11: Us or with us.
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Speaker 4: You know, I feel like my life is everything before
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Speaker 4: October seventh and then everything after. I will never be
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Speaker 4: that person again. It was it was seeing the apathy
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Speaker 4: and the inversion of.
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Speaker 11: Responsibility and the gas lighting.
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Speaker 3: It was instinctive for you to immediately speak out.
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Speaker 5: You couldn't stay silent.
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Speaker 4: No, And I, you know, I really really expected the
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Speaker 4: Hollywood community to join me. You know, my entire career,
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Speaker 4: I have been part of this very liberal, inclusive community,
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Speaker 4: and so I I thought, all right, I'm just going
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Speaker 4: to be one little voice in this cacophonous call for
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Speaker 4: empathy and legitimacy for the Jewish people, for Israel as
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Speaker 4: being our ancestral Homeland and no one stepped forward, and
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Speaker 4: I remember just being so shocked and of course angry.
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Speaker 3: And I remember you very quickly became quite deeply involved
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Speaker 3: in campaigning for the release of the hostages, and you
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Speaker 3: were involved in lobbying President Joe Biden. Can you tell
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Speaker 3: us a bit about what that involved. Behind the scenes,
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Speaker 3: we knew that it was a powder keg right away
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Speaker 3: and that we had to do it in a way
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Speaker 3: that was.
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Speaker 4: Global, and so we wrote a letter to the President
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Speaker 4: and said, please do whatever you can to rescue the
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Speaker 4: hostages from thirty three countries as soon as possible, use
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Speaker 4: every available resource. And then we sent the letter out
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Speaker 4: to the Hollywood community, expecting everyone to sign on, because
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Speaker 4: this wasn't about Jews or Israelis, it was about citizens
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Speaker 4: from thirty three countries, and people would not sign it.
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Speaker 4: That was when I realized that we were really in
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Speaker 4: uncharted territory.
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Speaker 3: Did it feel a massive betrayal to you personally that
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Speaker 3: some people you had known, you know, for decades or
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Speaker 3: worked with wouldn't sign a simple letter that you know,
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Speaker 3: we forget that at the time, there were something like
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Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty hostages, including mothers and babies and children.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I was so stunned. I just thought,
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Speaker 4: how can anyone defend not speaking out for these these hostages.
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Speaker 4: It was unfathomable to me. And I was disgusted, honestly,
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Speaker 4: And yes, I felt betrayed. I felt abandoned, I felt maligned.
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Speaker 4: I felt like I was completely alone.
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Speaker 11: And I know that that's not special to me. You know,
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Speaker 11: I lost so many friends.
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Speaker 4: And I know so many Jews who have had the
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Speaker 4: same experience, and so there's been a mourning process.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 4: I realized after October seventh that my generation had not
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Speaker 4: known that we were living in the golden Age of Jewelry.
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Speaker 11: We thought all the danger was past.
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Speaker 12: You know.
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Speaker 11: I grew up with my parents talking.
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Speaker 4: Regularly about the Holocaust, and they went seven times to Israel,
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Speaker 4: and it was something that.
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Speaker 11: Was in GW.
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Speaker 4: This is something that happened in the past, and we
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Speaker 4: must never allow that to happen again, never again. And
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Speaker 4: when October seventh happened, I thought, if not now when
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Speaker 4: we realized that, oh it's not over, and now we
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Speaker 4: are experiencing much of what our ancestors have experienced for
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Speaker 4: millennia and coming to terms with the fact that that's
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Speaker 4: our story. You know, we have lived a life of
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Speaker 4: persecution and exile and we have always come through and prevailed,
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Speaker 4: and so I really was just trying to hold on
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Speaker 4: to that strength and thinking about our ancestors, and honestly really.
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Speaker 11: Thinking that people would come around.
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Speaker 6: You know.
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Speaker 11: I thought, oh, by.
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Speaker 4: The new year, once it was acknowledged that there was
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Speaker 4: sexual violence used as a tool of war.
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Speaker 11: Once that was.
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Speaker 4: Acknowledged, I felt like, Okay, now people are going to
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Speaker 4: join us.
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Speaker 11: And obviously that never happened.
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Speaker 3: I think the narrative that has taken hold globally is
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Speaker 3: that this antisemitism crisis we're seeing around the world is
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Speaker 3: in response to Israel's military actions in Gaza. But there's
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Speaker 3: an important thing we have to remember, and you referenced
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Speaker 3: it before, which is that this jubilation at the massacre
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Speaker 3: of October seven started right before Israel had even had
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Speaker 3: a chance to formulate its military response.
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Speaker 5: Let alone begin it. And as you said, we saw that.
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Speaker 3: On the steps of the Upper House here on October nine.
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Speaker 3: In fact, we saw it the day before in October
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Speaker 3: eight in Western Sydney and lakember with hate.
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Speaker 5: Preachers shouting that they were elated.
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Speaker 3: We saw it in the streets of New York, London,
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Speaker 3: all around the world, this movement of jubilation at the
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Speaker 3: murder of Jews. I mean, how do we comprehend Do
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Speaker 3: you think that was always their simmering in society or
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Speaker 3: how do we comprehend those scenes?
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Speaker 4: You know, I was an executive producer on a documentary
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Speaker 4: called October eighth and it researched and studied how we
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Speaker 4: got to this moment. What I had not known prior
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Speaker 4: to working on that film was that thirty years ago
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Speaker 4: in Delaware, there was a gathering of Hamas leaders and
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Speaker 4: the FBI bugged it and they heard thirty years ago
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Speaker 4: their strategy of infiltrating elite schools, of targeting young.
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Speaker 11: People who are passionate and melieable.
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Speaker 4: This has been a deca decades law mission, and we're
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Speaker 4: very behind. I think that the the propaganda machine, you know,
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Speaker 4: from everyone from Iran all has Belah all of the proxies.
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Speaker 4: They have rewritten our narrative, and that is so outrageous.
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Speaker 4: I just felt like we must focus on educating people,
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Speaker 4: and we have to start with educating people that anti
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Speaker 4: Zionism is anti Semitism. The term anti Zionism is being
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Speaker 4: used as a shield, a shield that is hiding the
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Speaker 4: hatred and the bigotry and putting on a costume, a
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Speaker 4: cause play of someone who is morally superior, and we
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Speaker 4: we cannot.
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Speaker 11: Let that stand. Every generation there's a.
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Speaker 4: New way that anti Semitism is expressed, and in our
25:10
Speaker 4: generation right now, this is anti Zionism. It's insidious, and
25:17
Speaker 4: I honestly don't know how we're going to combat it
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Speaker 4: other than education.
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Speaker 3: You don't speak about the personal cost of advocacy to
25:25
Speaker 3: you personally, but I mean, there's no doubt. Has it
25:29
Speaker 3: been incredibly overwhelming and intense for you personally?
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Speaker 4: Oh, it has been the hardest thing that I've ever
25:37
Speaker 4: experienced in my life. I mean, it has been a
25:41
Speaker 4: real struggle for me. It has been up and down.
25:45
Speaker 5: You know.
25:46
Speaker 4: I felt incredibly depressed for a period of time.
25:54
Speaker 11: I felt enraged. I really needed.
25:57
Speaker 4: Help from a therapist to help me talk it out
26:03
Speaker 4: and to figure out why this is happening, why I
26:08
Speaker 4: am such a target because there are so few of us,
26:12
Speaker 4: shamefully few of us.
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Speaker 11: What I've come to is that this is my purpose
26:18
Speaker 11: right now.
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Speaker 4: It has appeared, and this is what I'm meant to do,
26:26
Speaker 4: and so that's what I've been focused on ever since
26:29
Speaker 4: October seventh.
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Speaker 3: So sorry to hear I'm not surprised, but I'm so
26:33
Speaker 3: sorry to hear that it's taken such a terrible toll
26:36
Speaker 3: on you personally. And I think many in the Jewish community,
26:41
Speaker 3: even not high profile, have responded in a very.
26:44
Speaker 5: Personal way to the events around us. I mean, you know,
26:48
Speaker 5: how could we not.
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Speaker 3: You've had so many roles in your life. I mean,
26:52
Speaker 3: not the least of which a mom and of course
26:56
Speaker 3: a least Hollywood superstar. But did you ever imagine living
27:01
Speaker 3: in a world where you would be needed as an
27:04
Speaker 3: anti Semitism advocate as a voice for the Jewish community.
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Speaker 5: Never?
27:09
Speaker 4: And I think part of my spiritual and emotional journey
27:15
Speaker 4: since October seventh was recognizing that for twenty years I
27:22
Speaker 4: have been very vocal for every marginalized community except the Jews.
27:30
Speaker 4: I realized that I had come to believe that Jews
27:36
Speaker 4: didn't need support, and I think it's because I felt like.
27:43
Speaker 11: If I asked, there would be no response.
27:48
Speaker 4: So when this happened, my discomfort with being front and
27:54
Speaker 4: center talking about being Jewish and loving Israel.
27:59
Speaker 11: I felt very vulnerable. I felt ill equipped.
28:04
Speaker 4: I felt a great deal of responsibility to do it right.
28:13
Speaker 4: It was not comfortable, and I realized that that fear
28:18
Speaker 4: that I had had as a child, that I thought
28:21
Speaker 4: I had overcome, I had never overcome.
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Speaker 3: We thank you enormously for being here, for traveling all
28:27
Speaker 3: the way to a STRENGK you.
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Speaker 11: So much, Am Yes, ral Hai.
28:38
Speaker 5: Isn't she very strong?
28:39
Speaker 3: And we'll try to get the full forty minute interview
28:42
Speaker 3: on the Sky News website in the next couple of days.
28:44
Speaker 5: I'll tell you once it's all up there.
28:46
Speaker 3: But also, isn't it impressive to see an A lista
28:48
Speaker 3: with conviction, unlike most of the Hollywood set, who have
28:52
Speaker 3: been silent in the face of rising hatred and terrorism.
28:57
Speaker 5: Okay, still to come.
28:58
Speaker 3: The biggest housing correction in forty years thanks to the
29:01
Speaker 3: budget and Albanezy's fifty seven thousand dollar pay rise while
29:07
Speaker 3: he raises your taxes.
29:09
Speaker 5: It's enraging. That's after the break with Ray Hadley.
29:17
Speaker 3: All right, let's get straight into it with everyone's favorite regular,
29:20
Speaker 3: certainly my favorite radio legend, Ray Hadley.
29:23
Speaker 1: Good to see you, Ray, I've got another favorite woman
29:25
Speaker 1: in my life.
29:26
Speaker 13: Oh who's that Your previous guest.
29:28
Speaker 5: Oh Devra Messing.
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Speaker 13: Oh I liked the before, Now I love her.
29:33
Speaker 5: Isn't she amazing?
29:34
Speaker 3: She was so strong the way she fought out all
29:36
Speaker 3: the Hollywood people.
29:38
Speaker 1: Very articulate and on the money as well. Yeah, well done,
29:41
Speaker 1: great interview.
29:42
Speaker 13: Thank you.
29:42
Speaker 3: Now, the Daily Telegraph reports that the Prime Minister has
29:45
Speaker 3: pocketed a fifty seven thousand dollar pay rise since becoming PM.
29:51
Speaker 3: So this takes his salary to more than six hundred
29:53
Speaker 3: and twenty two thousand dollars a year.
29:55
Speaker 5: I mean that's massive.
29:56
Speaker 3: It's almost as much as some workers would receive after
30:00
Speaker 3: they've paid their tax.
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Speaker 1: Well, yes, he'll accept it because it's not his determination.
30:07
Speaker 1: It's the mineration tribunal that makes these decisions. But if
30:11
Speaker 1: you judged him on his performance, he's not worth a zach. Now,
30:16
Speaker 1: Zach's an old fashioned sixpence five cents. He's not worth
30:20
Speaker 1: that sort of money. And everyone keeps talking about the
30:24
Speaker 1: fact that this budget and they seem to be bury
30:28
Speaker 1: bearing their heads in their hands over it. They don't
30:31
Speaker 1: seem to take much notice of what the experts are saying.
30:34
Speaker 1: And again, the clearance rate at options real estate was
30:37
Speaker 1: down on the and I draw it to attention two weeks.
30:40
Speaker 13: Ago, and it was a bit early then to really
30:43
Speaker 13: you know, take a lead.
30:44
Speaker 1: But it's now obvious that there's a negativity out there
30:48
Speaker 1: in relation to capital gains tax negative gearing, and people
30:52
Speaker 1: are shying away from it, both young and old.
30:54
Speaker 5: It's killed the property market.
30:55
Speaker 3: I mean Robert gott leaps and wrote this article in
30:58
Speaker 3: the Australia you know, he's in a steamed economics journalists,
31:02
Speaker 3: and he says that Melbourne, well that it's forcing down
31:05
Speaker 3: house prices and Melbourn has already seen values for by
31:09
Speaker 3: twenty to thirty percent in parts of the market. I mean,
31:12
Speaker 3: he's saying this could be the biggest housing correction in
31:14
Speaker 3: forty years.
31:15
Speaker 1: Well, I did a piece for the Telegraph last week
31:19
Speaker 1: about it. I spoke the two real estate agents who
31:21
Speaker 1: I've known for a long time and they were saying
31:23
Speaker 1: the markets and real estate agents can be pessimistic at times.
31:27
Speaker 13: But then I met a gentleman I hadn't seen for
31:28
Speaker 13: a long time.
31:29
Speaker 1: He was a retired car dealer and we used to
31:32
Speaker 1: do a bit of business together when I was calling
31:34
Speaker 1: football back in the nineties, and I hadn't seen him
31:37
Speaker 1: for ages, and I said, how are you going, and
31:38
Speaker 1: he said, oh a, you're living near me and all that.
31:41
Speaker 1: He put his house in the market eight weeks ago
31:43
Speaker 1: and it's a sale for him and his wife to
31:48
Speaker 1: move to smaller premises, downsizing. So the real estate agent
31:53
Speaker 1: says to him eight weeks ago, this is what it's worth.
31:56
Speaker 1: Let's just say two million in the outer suburbs. Brilliant home,
32:00
Speaker 1: big block of land worth two million. And when I
32:05
Speaker 1: spoke to him that day, which was only ten days ago,
32:08
Speaker 1: the agents rung in the night before and said, look,
32:11
Speaker 1: we have to revalue this. You're going to have to
32:13
Speaker 1: take a bit of a haircut. It's down by ten
32:16
Speaker 1: to fifteen percent. Two hundred thousand since.
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Speaker 5: The budget wiped two hundred chaos.
32:23
Speaker 1: Two to three hundred k offered and you know so
32:25
Speaker 1: instead of two it's down to one seven, maybe one
32:28
Speaker 1: eight or something like that. Now, you know, he set
32:30
Speaker 1: aside money and worked hard on his life for downsizing.
32:33
Speaker 1: And on the back of this brain dead decision which
32:36
Speaker 1: they won't recognize, either of them, doctor Chalmers and the
32:40
Speaker 1: Prime Minister anything alban EASi, they're impacting on a whole
32:43
Speaker 1: range of people, young and old. And you talk about
32:47
Speaker 1: young people trying to get in this five percent depositive idea.
32:51
Speaker 1: That means there's a ninety five percent mortgage and the
32:54
Speaker 1: interest rates are going up, and that will create a
32:57
Speaker 1: floodback in the market when people can't pay their mortgage,
33:00
Speaker 1: they can't service it because every time the interest rates
33:02
Speaker 1: go up, and I know from my own children, you know,
33:05
Speaker 1: every time, it's a struggle to meet that payment and
33:07
Speaker 1: things have to be sacrificed to meet that payment. And eventually,
33:10
Speaker 1: if it keeps going up and you're at ninety five
33:13
Speaker 1: percent mortgage, well you've got to sell and it's a
33:17
Speaker 1: fire sale.
33:18
Speaker 3: And it's not just that the rates are rising, it's
33:20
Speaker 3: that inflation means that the cost of everything is constantly
33:23
Speaker 3: going up, so you're how far your dollar stretches is
33:27
Speaker 3: falling as well.
33:28
Speaker 1: It's all well and good for Robert gott Liebs and
33:30
Speaker 1: who's an outstanding economic mind. I'm a broken down choiboy.
33:34
Speaker 1: I'm not the smartest spoke in the world, but I
33:36
Speaker 1: can figure it out. But these two blasts can't figure
33:38
Speaker 1: it out.
33:39
Speaker 5: You sell yourself, shot right, you're pretty.
33:40
Speaker 3: Smar It's school of hard knocks, but fit the ec well,
33:44
Speaker 3: you know, as much as the best of them. So
33:46
Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson, she did that interview with Cleonell. Yesmn is
33:50
Speaker 3: about it, and she didn't rule out becoming PM. Clearly
33:53
Speaker 3: this she's got everyone worried.
33:57
Speaker 13: Well they should be worried.
33:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first time in history the primary vote falls
34:02
Speaker 1: to one nation and they're sitting around, I guess in
34:05
Speaker 1: Canberra scratching their heads saying, how to this seventy something
34:09
Speaker 1: woman leading one Nation which was a rag tag bunch
34:13
Speaker 1: of right wing Zalads. They're beating us, they're beating the Gabbet,
34:17
Speaker 1: they're beating the opposition.
34:18
Speaker 13: And I said this morning in the Telegraph. Look, if
34:21
Speaker 13: they've got.
34:21
Speaker 1: Any brains, the Nationals and Libs, they'll start marking time
34:25
Speaker 1: about a coalition, not a two party coalition, a three party.
34:30
Speaker 1: If you want to beat the Labor Party, you've got
34:33
Speaker 1: to engage with this woman. You have to engage with
34:35
Speaker 1: her because she's been through the mill. She spent time
34:40
Speaker 1: in jail unfairly's and she keeps bouncing back. She's like
34:45
Speaker 1: a rubber ball and here she is back again, dusts
34:48
Speaker 1: herself off. I saw a piece on your programm early
34:52
Speaker 1: where she said to Andrew that she's my age actually,
34:55
Speaker 1: and she said in high heels. She can bounce down
34:57
Speaker 1: the corridors of the Senate to get or vote in time.
35:00
Speaker 1: You know, he's a better than mine, dal that's for sure.
35:02
Speaker 1: I can't bounce down anywhere these days, but she can.
35:05
Speaker 13: Well.
35:05
Speaker 3: Age is just a number. And she's a young, very
35:08
Speaker 3: definitely a young seventy two. Lot of energy, she's lot
35:11
Speaker 3: of ideas.
35:12
Speaker 1: I just I admirer. I admire because she has now
35:17
Speaker 1: she's really really, really ford hard and now she's finally
35:21
Speaker 1: resounding with the electorate and you know, she must wake
35:25
Speaker 1: up of the morning and this morning I thought she
35:28
Speaker 1: is thirty one percent.
35:29
Speaker 5: It's amazing, it's amazing. So what about Tony Abbott.
35:32
Speaker 3: A little bit of controversy around this because obviously the
35:35
Speaker 3: Abbott era was divisive, and you know he was rolled
35:40
Speaker 3: by the moderates under Turnbull of course, so that so
35:43
Speaker 3: some of those old Wars people are worried that they'll.
35:46
Speaker 5: Come back now.
35:48
Speaker 1: No. Look, the one thing with Abbot, even though I've had,
35:51
Speaker 1: you know, some battles with him over other matters over
35:53
Speaker 1: the years, he's a really decent person. He's really any
35:57
Speaker 1: conciliatory and he can work against those moderates, or he can.
36:02
Speaker 6: Work with them.
36:02
Speaker 13: He'll work with them. He'll work with them.
36:04
Speaker 1: I think it's a you know, at a time the
36:07
Speaker 1: Liberal Party needs pulling together. He's someone he's an all
36:10
Speaker 1: of statesman. He's someone who can do it, and he's
36:13
Speaker 1: got the respect of the vast majority of Liberal people
36:16
Speaker 1: from the right and those who are over the left
36:18
Speaker 1: need to wake up with themselves and get behind him
36:20
Speaker 1: as well.
36:21
Speaker 3: Because definitely help both the Victorian state campaign but also
36:25
Speaker 3: the federal campaign, because that has been the Liberals' biggest
36:27
Speaker 3: weakness is that they can't run a campaign and they
36:30
Speaker 3: refuse to go negative.
36:31
Speaker 5: They need to go negative.
36:33
Speaker 1: Now, look, he can pull them together and I think
36:37
Speaker 1: he's the right man for the job at the right time.
36:39
Speaker 3: Let's have a look at what he had to say
36:40
Speaker 3: about Angus Taylor and the Liberals on Sky today.
36:44
Speaker 6: My job is to get the organization into tip top
36:47
Speaker 6: shape to help Angus to become the prime minister that
36:51
Speaker 6: Australia desperately needs right now.
36:54
Speaker 3: Ray He's always been a very big supporter of Angus Taylor's.
36:58
Speaker 13: I told you the story of the first tom Imus Taylor.
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Speaker 1: You did tell us again well, Tody Abbott called me
37:05
Speaker 1: up and so I went to come to dinner with
37:07
Speaker 1: Margie and I and I thought that's an unusual request,
37:09
Speaker 1: but I said, yeah, that's fine. When I got there,
37:11
Speaker 1: Angus Taylor was there and he was you know, it
37:15
Speaker 1: was a long time ago, and he said to me
37:18
Speaker 1: at the dinner table, this play. You need to know him.
37:20
Speaker 1: He's going to be a prime minister in the future.
37:23
Speaker 1: And so he still thinks that way, obviously.
37:25
Speaker 5: Yeah he does.
37:26
Speaker 13: He still thinks he's got what it takes. So you know,
37:29
Speaker 13: so Angus is in no danger of Do.
37:31
Speaker 5: You think Angus has what it takes?
37:33
Speaker 3: Ray more to the point, well, I.
37:34
Speaker 1: Thought Andrew Hasty did until he started supporting mister Turnbull,
37:38
Speaker 1: and then I thought maybe the wheels were off that
37:41
Speaker 1: particular pushbike. But yeah, I think I think that if
37:46
Speaker 1: he keeps doing what he's doing at the moment and
37:48
Speaker 1: speaking out strongly about things like the Isis brides and
37:50
Speaker 1: other things that resonate with the electorate, and starts to
37:54
Speaker 1: get a bit of a live and about energy, I
37:56
Speaker 1: think he can as well.
37:57
Speaker 5: Right, great to have you as always.
37:59
Speaker 13: Lovely you here and I'll catch you again next week.
38:02
Speaker 13: Thank you. So much.
38:02
Speaker 5: It's Monday, all right, still to come.
38:05
Speaker 3: Albanzi outrageously tried to block the Royal Commission from accessing
38:10
Speaker 3: cabinet documents relating to the funding of counter terrorism. I mean,
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Speaker 3: it makes you wonder what has he got to hide
38:16
Speaker 3: or Commission of Virginia Bell has responded will tell you
38:19
Speaker 3: whether she's agreed to Albanese's request after the break. Well,
38:27
Speaker 3: the Albanesi government has tried to block the Royal Commission
38:31
Speaker 3: from accessing cabinet documents relating to discussions about counter terrorism
38:36
Speaker 3: funding and resourcing. They claimed public immunity. The Prime Minister's
38:41
Speaker 3: Department wanted to keep the documents secret, and they didn't
38:44
Speaker 3: even want Commission of Virginia Bell to access them herself.
38:48
Speaker 3: Shadow Home Affairs Minister John o' duniam called this out.
38:53
Speaker 14: This argument that cabinet deliberations therefore must be excluded under
38:59
Speaker 14: their long standing convention doesn't stand to reason, And of
39:03
Speaker 14: course there is precedence for this sort of information having
39:06
Speaker 14: been released to a Royal Commission under negotiated circumstances. So
39:09
Speaker 14: I hope that the government does the right thing and
39:12
Speaker 14: doesn't hide this information from the public or the Commission.
39:16
Speaker 3: Well, thankfully, Commission of Virginia Bell was also having none
39:19
Speaker 3: of it, and she published a decision which I've got here,
39:23
Speaker 3: writing that the cabinet files were the only source of
39:26
Speaker 3: information that Cabinet was informed about and considered the priority
39:31
Speaker 3: of counter terrorism. The Royal Commission is seriously and properly
39:35
Speaker 3: examining the actions of ASIO, the AFP, New South Wales
39:39
Speaker 3: Police and other agencies. As we've seen and been reporting.
39:43
Speaker 3: Its interrogation is rigorous, but it's also essential that the
39:48
Speaker 3: Royal Commission examines the actions, the policy direction, the funding
39:53
Speaker 3: decisions and the tone of the Albanese government. It can't
39:58
Speaker 3: have a thorough Royal Commission on anti Semity and without
40:00
Speaker 3: this even a ZIO Director General Mike Burgess and his
40:04
Speaker 3: witness statement spoke of the role of political leaders in
40:09
Speaker 3: tackling terrorism and anti Semitism. Now to discuss this further,
40:14
Speaker 3: joining me is former Home Affair Secretary Mike Pizzulo. Mike,
40:18
Speaker 3: good to see you, Thank you for being here. Why
40:21
Speaker 3: do you think the Albanese government tried to prevent the
40:25
Speaker 3: Royal Commission from examining the documents? And what does this
40:29
Speaker 3: say about the government's commitment to the Royal Commission.
40:35
Speaker 2: Oh, good evening, Shari, good to be with you. Look
40:37
Speaker 2: on the surface of it, you would have to think
40:40
Speaker 2: that given the reticence and the reluctance that the government
40:43
Speaker 2: showed earlier this year to even Mount Royal Commission. You
40:48
Speaker 2: might remember they initially commissioned Dennis Richardson to conduct an
40:51
Speaker 2: administrative inquiry, and then after a public outcry, frankly, that
40:58
Speaker 2: Richardson inquiry was folded into what's become the Raw Commission
41:02
Speaker 2: headed by Commissioner Bell. You would have to think that
41:05
Speaker 2: they are very reluctant to have these matters examined at
41:09
Speaker 2: the level, if you like, of government decision making. I
41:11
Speaker 2: suspect the Prime Minister and other ministers are comfortable enough
41:15
Speaker 2: for any failings perceived or otherwise, or any stumbles perceived
41:20
Speaker 2: or otherwise by the agencies or the police to be exposed,
41:23
Speaker 2: and that's fair enough. That's going to have to be
41:25
Speaker 2: dealt with. If there was a mistake made at the
41:26
Speaker 2: operational level, if a piece of vital intelligence was missed,
41:30
Speaker 2: of course that's got to be examined. What I think
41:32
Speaker 2: the government's trying to do, and all I can do
41:34
Speaker 2: is just inferv Shari I don't know what their mind
41:37
Speaker 2: is is that they don't want any of this scrutiny
41:39
Speaker 2: to attach them to themselves. What I find astonishing about
41:42
Speaker 2: this public interest immunity claim that you've just described, it
41:46
Speaker 2: was actually settled and decided almost two months ago. The
41:49
Speaker 2: Commissioner made her ruling on the eighth of April, but
41:53
Speaker 2: it was only put onto the website of the Raw
41:56
Speaker 2: Commission late on Friday. I read it over the weekend,
42:00
Speaker 2: just referred to it. What's critical is that the Commissioner,
42:04
Speaker 2: her honor, makes the point that in order to establish
42:08
Speaker 2: the priority in focus that was afforded to counter terrorism,
42:11
Speaker 2: she has to be able to examine the funding and
42:14
Speaker 2: resource and priority decisions that were made both before the
42:18
Speaker 2: terrorism threat level was raised in August of twenty four
42:21
Speaker 2: and then what the situation was thereafter. And she made
42:25
Speaker 2: the point in her ruling that you've just read out
42:28
Speaker 2: parts of that. The only source of information to get
42:31
Speaker 2: that whole of government prioritization information are these cabinet documents.
42:37
Speaker 2: So you've got a wonder, having set up the Raw Commission,
42:39
Speaker 2: why you try to.
42:40
Speaker 3: Hide them Exactly now, Mike, we know that under the
42:44
Speaker 3: entire intelligence community, funding for counter terrorism fell. I've reported
42:49
Speaker 3: classified documents that show it fell from and that this
42:52
Speaker 3: is my memory.
42:53
Speaker 5: I don't have it in front of me.
42:54
Speaker 3: But fel this is accurate from twenty three percent in
42:57
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen to twenty twenty down to nine eighteen percent
43:01
Speaker 3: by twenty twenty five at the time of the terror attack.
43:03
Speaker 5: So we know funding for counter.
43:05
Speaker 3: Terrorism across the whole counter terrorism intelligence, the whole intelligence
43:09
Speaker 3: community fell. So and then you've got the Albanezy government
43:12
Speaker 3: trying to hide its cabinet deliberation. So does this signal
43:15
Speaker 3: to you that counter terrorism was not a top priority
43:19
Speaker 3: under the Albanesi government.
43:23
Speaker 2: Not necessarily. Let's just break those into two parts. The
43:26
Speaker 2: Raw Commissioner herself, in her interim report that was released
43:30
Speaker 2: on the thirtieth of April, made the very same observation,
43:33
Speaker 2: very similar data, but she didn't release the actual quantum
43:37
Speaker 2: of the funding. She said that there had been a
43:39
Speaker 2: decline between twenty twenty and twenty five. She wanted to
43:43
Speaker 2: further explore that, but at that stage the number she
43:46
Speaker 2: was not prepared to divulge. What could be happening here, Shahi,
43:50
Speaker 2: is that just from a math's point of view, the
43:53
Speaker 2: overall intelligence budgets increasing, but because some of that money
43:57
Speaker 2: is being diverted or focused on spinache, foreign interference, sabotage,
44:02
Speaker 2: hostile state activity, cyber warfare, etc. It might be that
44:06
Speaker 2: the relative proportions that are allocated to counter terrorism come
44:11
Speaker 2: off even though the absolute level of counter terrorism funding increases.
44:15
Speaker 2: So there's probably a maths issue there. We just need
44:17
Speaker 2: to know what the denominator is and what the numerator is.
44:21
Speaker 2: But the point is that if all the threats are
44:25
Speaker 2: converging and multiplying, Director General Burg just tells us all
44:28
Speaker 2: the time in his annual statements and he said it
44:30
Speaker 2: again last week in his evidence to the Raw Commission,
44:33
Speaker 2: that I'm dealing with a multiplicity of threats. I think
44:36
Speaker 2: he used a phrase. Every rock I turn up, I
44:38
Speaker 2: find spies, saboteurs, foreign interference, people trying to interfere with
44:43
Speaker 2: out democracy, extremists, terrorists. That suggests to me that the
44:49
Speaker 2: overall funding, the aggregate level of funding to keep US safe,
44:54
Speaker 2: needs to be increasing at a greater rate of effort
44:57
Speaker 2: than than what is evidenced. In other words, see funding
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Speaker 2: has to come up, but also these other areas have
45:02
Speaker 2: to come up as it well.
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Speaker 5: I just want to interrupt there.
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Speaker 3: The fact that the Abaneze government was claiming public community
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Speaker 3: on how they were prioritizing counter terrorism, doesn't that indicate
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Speaker 3: to you that they do perhaps have something to hide.
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Speaker 2: Well, if they've got something to hide, or indeed, I'll
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Speaker 2: put it the other way, they might well have nothing
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Speaker 2: to hide. But I'm astonished that they would not want
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Speaker 2: to at least have the commissioner, because remember, this ruling
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Speaker 2: by the Commissioner only relates to whether these documents will
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Speaker 2: be examined by the Commission internally, not even for public release.
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Speaker 2: You and I can't read these documents. Look, there are
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Speaker 2: there's Traditionally, and the Attorney General made this point last
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Speaker 2: week on a couple of media interviews. There traditionally has
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Speaker 2: been a basis to protect cabinet confidentiality, because you do
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Speaker 2: want ministers to be able to speak in cabinet with candor,
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Speaker 2: there's no question about that. But typically that relates to
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Speaker 2: not divulging that to say, in a legal proceeding, or
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Speaker 2: perhaps not divulging cabinet documents to a hostile Senate inquiry,
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Speaker 2: for instance, which might really just deal with those documents
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Speaker 2: in a very political way. This is not one of
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Speaker 2: those proceedings. This is meant to be an inquisitorial proceeding
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Speaker 2: that is meant to get to the bottom of everything,
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Speaker 2: and that includes the relative prioritization, the funding decision, the
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Speaker 2: resource allocation decisions. And what we now know, Shari, only
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Speaker 2: because of the release of the Commissioner's ruling, is that
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Speaker 2: she makes it quite clear, and you had an extract
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Speaker 2: earlier in your introduction. There's another sentence that's equally relevant.
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Speaker 2: It says that the relative priority before August twenty four
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Speaker 2: devoted to counterism and after is important because that's when
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Speaker 2: the terror threat level was raised. And she makes it
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Speaker 2: quite clear that government considered that prioritization. In other words,
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Speaker 2: it was a decision either made by or endorsed by
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Speaker 2: the government. So if they haven't increased the fund sufficiently,
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Speaker 2: or indeed they did raise the fund sufficiently, that in
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Speaker 2: the end under minister or responsibility is a matter for
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Speaker 2: those ministers, and the only way to get to that
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Speaker 2: is through these documents. So I'm glad that the commissioners
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Speaker 2: stood up to the government.
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Speaker 3: Exactly the right decision from the Commissioner, absolutely, Mike Bazillo,
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Speaker 3: great analysis is always thank you, so much for your
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Speaker 3: time and.
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Speaker 5: Still to come.
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Speaker 3: Joe Biden's major admission about her husband during the presidency.
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Speaker 5: That's after the break.
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Speaker 3: Jill Biden has made a major admission about her husband
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Speaker 3: during the presidency, telling CBS News Sunday that he was
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Speaker 3: slowing down.
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Speaker 15: He was the same, the essence of the same, Joe Biden.
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Speaker 15: But yeah, he was slowing down, he was getting older.
47:49
Speaker 15: It's a very intense job. I think it ages you quickly.
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Speaker 3: And Johnny mi Now is Sky News contributor Kosher Garda
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Speaker 3: Kosher this this is quite a big admission. And what
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Speaker 3: does it mean as well politically for the Democrats this
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Speaker 3: book to and all the publicity that she's doing.
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Speaker 9: You know, it's an admission without really being an admission,
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Speaker 9: because she's still trying to whitewash it and say, you know,
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Speaker 9: it's a taxing job, and everybody agius and trying to
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Speaker 9: just smooth it out as though it's something that every
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Speaker 9: president goes through. I meanwhile, the whole world saw that's
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Speaker 9: not what this was. This was very serious cognitive decline.
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Speaker 9: There are many moments about it that everybody saw, so
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Speaker 9: we can very safely assume that she would have seen
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Speaker 9: it much more, much more up close and personal, much
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Speaker 9: more frequently than the rest of us did, which were
48:37
Speaker 9: you know, bits and pieces, and of course that debate infamously.
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Speaker 9: So I don't think she comes off looking very good
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Speaker 9: and sort of resurrecting that Lady Macbeth Moniker that the
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Speaker 9: media had dubbed for her back in the day when
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Speaker 9: she's doing this, and more broadly, the second piece of
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Speaker 9: her question, Sharry is for the Democrats, it's very interesting timing.
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Speaker 9: You know, she's got her memoir, she's on this promo
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Speaker 9: tour for it. But right now the right is going
48:59
Speaker 9: through sort of civil war right now, and they're in
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Speaker 9: the circular firing squad and it's been a gift to
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Speaker 9: the Dems to sit back and let them do that.
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Speaker 9: And now all this is doing is it's dredging up
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Speaker 9: headlines again and it's reigniting in fighting on the Democrat
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Speaker 9: side because a lot of people are very angry about
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Speaker 9: the position that it put that party in, with him
49:16
Speaker 9: having to pull out, Kamala Harris coming in and everything
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Speaker 9: that happened there. So I don't think this is helpful
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Speaker 9: for the party. But you know, she's she's doing her thing.
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Speaker 3: President Trump has sent Iran another amended pace plan.
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Speaker 5: He pace plan.
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Speaker 3: He wants them to hand over nearly one thousand pounds
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Speaker 3: of enriched uranium. No sign though, that Tehran will agree
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Speaker 3: to this closure.
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Speaker 9: No, this seems to be the sticking point. No nuclear
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Speaker 9: ambition whatsoever, including the dust and opening the straight up
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Speaker 9: her moves with no tolls. That's what Team Trump is
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Speaker 9: sticking with. The other side, of course, knows that those
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Speaker 9: are their biggest two leverage points, and so it seems
49:52
Speaker 9: to be that the base case remains that the negotiating
49:55
Speaker 9: table is open. It's messy, it's fluid, we have another
49:59
Speaker 9: Fragilcy's fire, are now a sixty day m U in place,
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Speaker 9: and it's anybody's guests how long this is going to
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Speaker 9: drag on before we get to some sort of finality
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Speaker 9: or conclusion.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we've got the cease fire, but yet, I mean,
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Speaker 3: it seems every day or every couple of days, there's
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Speaker 3: an escalation and there is fighting going on.
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Speaker 9: Yes, I think you know, the mold seems to be
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Speaker 9: a ceasefire on paper, and then all of these infractions
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Speaker 9: and violations that happen that aren't escalating into anything very
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Speaker 9: big right now, but that possibility always remains, which is
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Speaker 9: why people are very nervous about it. But it seems
50:31
Speaker 9: to be that that is the status quo and probably
50:34
Speaker 9: will be for the foreseeable future.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, we'll see. We have to see if
50:38
Speaker 3: they can actually come to a piece deal. I mean,
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Speaker 3: the president's under enormous domestic political pressure. But Nettiyaho's looking
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Speaker 3: at another four months until the Israeli election. He probably
50:49
Speaker 3: wants to take out the enriched Uranian before then. This
50:52
Speaker 3: might be his only chance. So talk about that more
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Speaker 3: another day. KOSHAGARDA, thank you very much for your time.
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Speaker 3: Thanks everyone for your company to night. I'll see you
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Speaker 3: tomorrow at eight. And here's poor Mary
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