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Black Voters - Red Wave · Booker Scott: Truth Be Told

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  Speaker 1: It's time for The Truth Be Told with Booker Scott.
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  Speaker 3: In the 2024 presidential election. One could say it was
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  Speaker 3: the Hispanic vote and the black vote that took Donald
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  Speaker 3: Trump to the White House and be the 47th president
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  Speaker 3: of the United States. It's easy to see that it
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  Speaker 3: had a lot to do with it. Now, you may
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  Speaker 3: say it was the younger voter, too, and that's true also.
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  Speaker 3: But it was the black and Hispanic vote that the
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  Speaker 3: Republicans had never gotten before that suddenly appeared in 2024
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  Speaker 3: that took Donald Trump back to the White House. And
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  Speaker 3: now you see these polls that are going around, and
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  Speaker 3: it sounds as if some of that support is eroding
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  Speaker 3: right now between the Hispanics and the black community.
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  Speaker 1: Is it?
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  Speaker 3: Is that really what is happening? I'm Booker Scott, and
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  Speaker 3: this is The Truth Be Told. Thank you for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: If you're listening live, thank you so much. If you
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  Speaker 3: happen to find us later on the podcast on one
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  Speaker 3: of the many platforms where we are available, thank you
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  Speaker 3: for making that extra effort to do that and find
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  Speaker 3: us there. I really do appreciate it. So what do
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  Speaker 3: we make of all of that? What's happening with the
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  Speaker 3: Hispanics in the black community? Is Donald Trump really losing
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  Speaker 3: them in a greater number than he would be his
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  Speaker 3: own base? Because some of the MAGA base is also
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  Speaker 3: eroding around Donald Trump. So I think that's a fair question.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see if we can get some real answers. There
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  Speaker 3: is a book that's called Black Voters Red Wave, Decoding
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  Speaker 3: the Rise of Donald Trump's Black Support. And it was
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  Speaker 3: written by Reverend Damian Thaddeus Jones. He's here now. We're
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  Speaker 3: going to have a conversation today. and have him talk
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  Speaker 3: about what I'm trying to talk about. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: the answers, but as always on this program, I try
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  Speaker 3: to get people that can shed some light and maybe
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  Speaker 3: bring us the answers to these questions. So now let's
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  Speaker 3: welcome in to the program, Reverend Damien Thaddeus Jones. Damien,
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  Speaker 3: welcome to the program. Great to have you.
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  Speaker 4: Booker, thank you so much for having me. It's such
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  Speaker 4: an honor to be on your program. Excited for the conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Me too. And we were talking off air before we
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  Speaker 3: got here on the program. I really enjoyed our conversation.
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  Speaker 3: I just wanted to keep going and keep flowing where
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  Speaker 3: we were. You look at the 2024 election and Donald
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  Speaker 3: Trump had great black support. Some people argue that that
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  Speaker 3: was the difference in the election. And maybe it was partially.
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  Speaker 3: I think the Hispanics helped. But now we see, is
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  Speaker 3: it possible that that support is eroding? What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: Do you think that it is eroding some? And if so,
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  Speaker 3: why do you believe that would be the case right now?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll answer the top part of your question.
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  Speaker 4: In 24, absolutely, the black vote, particularly black men, did
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  Speaker 4: a great part in taking Donald Trump over the top.
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  Speaker 4: And I'll tell you today that I am a Republican.
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  Speaker 4: I vote Republican because I'm a Trumper. And Trump spoke
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  Speaker 4: to and continues to speak to kind of that bravado
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  Speaker 4: in a lot of men that have been forgotten about,
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  Speaker 4: pushed to the margins in the Democratic Party. They tell you,
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  Speaker 4: don't be masculine. Don't stand up for your family. Don't
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  Speaker 4: be loud. They say, get behind the women. And Trump
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  Speaker 4: spoke to that place with men that said, hey, you
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  Speaker 4: can still be a man. You can still eat a steak.
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  Speaker 4: You can still have a beer. And he really, really
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  Speaker 4: excited a lot of men to come out and to
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  Speaker 4: support him. Now, that said, your question, is that support
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  Speaker 4: eroding today? I wouldn't use the word erode. Erode kind
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  Speaker 4: of insinuates that it's falling apart at the seams. I
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  Speaker 4: would say that that excitement that we saw in November 24.
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  Speaker 2: Is not there as much today.
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  Speaker 4: Now, I think it's probably sullied a little bit, but
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  Speaker 4: Trump is who Trump is. You know, he's not your
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  Speaker 4: polished politician. He's not going to say the politically correct thing,
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  Speaker 4: but we still are excited that, hey, He's trying to
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  Speaker 4: protect our borders, right? He's still trying to make sure
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  Speaker 4: that we're protecting our children and keeping men out of
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  Speaker 4: women's sports and things of that nature. But I do
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  Speaker 4: think there have been some missteps in some places just
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  Speaker 4: to shore up that excitement. And as we kind of
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  Speaker 4: move into the midterms here, I'm not sure that we're
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  Speaker 4: gonna see those high levels of excitement from black men,
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  Speaker 4: particularly all black voters, But I think it'll hold steady
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  Speaker 4: because when you look at what the alternative is on
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  Speaker 4: the other side, Democrats are still losing their minds.
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  Speaker 2: And so Trump, I think he's going to be OK.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go back to something you said there. You said
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  Speaker 3: there are some things that maybe have attributed to what
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  Speaker 3: we're seeing in, I say, erosion. You say it's maybe
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  Speaker 3: that's a little bit harsh, but the support is dwindling
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  Speaker 3: among the black community compared to 2024. We can all
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  Speaker 3: probably agree with that. What are those things that you
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  Speaker 3: see that make you think that that is happening?
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  Speaker 4: So and I tell my wife this all the time.
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  Speaker 4: When I voted for Trump, you know who he is.
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  Speaker 4: I voted for him in 20 and I voted for
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  Speaker 4: him in 24. And you know what you're getting. You're
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  Speaker 4: going to get some erratic behavior here and there.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You're not going to be surprised about that. And so
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  Speaker 2: you shouldn't be. Right, right.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not looking for him to be some church saint.
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  Speaker 4: I want him to leave the country. But when Trump
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  Speaker 4: put on social media those images of the Obamas as monkeys,
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  Speaker 4: that wasn't a great move.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's be honest here, Damien. Let's really shoot straight.
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  Speaker 3: No doubt about it. It made me cringe as well.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And it's things like that.
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  Speaker 4: Because he's done so much for the black community in
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  Speaker 4: terms of the HBCU funding. You know, when you talk
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  Speaker 4: about the First Step Act and the ways in which
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  Speaker 4: he's helped get formerly incarcerated people out of jail. There's
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  Speaker 4: so many great things that we could point to that
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  Speaker 4: Trump has done for the black community. But then at
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  Speaker 4: the same time, from an aesthetic and optic standpoint, then
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  Speaker 4: he'll go put his foot in his mouth and do
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  Speaker 4: something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, I voted for Obama in 08 when I was
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  Speaker 4: a Democrat. I don't agree with the Obamas politically on
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  Speaker 4: the majority of things. But they still are seen as
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  Speaker 4: this symbolic.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of.
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  Speaker 4: Camelot type of figure for black people. And when you
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  Speaker 4: go after black Camelot, if you will, that kind of
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  Speaker 4: sets some people back, especially those.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, let me tell you this, Booker. Most Americans are
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  Speaker 2: in the middle.
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  Speaker 4: Anybody person that tells you that they agree with their
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  Speaker 4: particular party on every issue they're lying to you.
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  Speaker 3: Or they're a cultist. Or they're a cultist. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it's one or the other. They're either lying to you
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  Speaker 3: or they believe it. And if that's the case, then
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  Speaker 3: they are a member of a cult, not a political party.
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  Speaker 4: Most black people in this country that are active voters,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you where they are.
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  Speaker 2: Many of them are upset with the Democratic Party. They
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  Speaker 2: are frustrated. They are angry.
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  Speaker 4: They are livid with the Democratic Party. But they've been
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  Speaker 4: told that they can't consider the Republican Party because we've
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  Speaker 4: been told that Republicans are racist. But there are a
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  Speaker 4: group of people that are open to considering it, but
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  Speaker 4: they're right there in the middle. So when you break
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  Speaker 4: up with a girlfriend, don't go jump to another girlfriend.
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  Speaker 4: Kind of chill by yourself and kind of get to
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  Speaker 4: know yourself. Most black voters are in the middle right
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  Speaker 4: now trying to figure out which way they want to go.
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  Speaker 4: And so it's a prime opportunity for the GOP, for
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  Speaker 4: the Republican Party locally and nationally to really put their
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  Speaker 4: feet on the ground and really build real relationship. But
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  Speaker 4: when you have Trump making comments like that, it gives
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  Speaker 4: those people pause about coming over and listening to the
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  Speaker 4: message and the good things that are happening in the
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  Speaker 4: Republican Party for black people. And it sets it back
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  Speaker 4: a bit. And that's when you... can point to, hey,
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  Speaker 4: the support is dwindling, it's minimizing. And so Trump is
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  Speaker 4: attributing to that just a good bit, if you will.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see that is happening. And then let's
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  Speaker 3: say this, too, Damian. Let me go a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more into your background so people know. You were a
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  Speaker 3: political science major with a degree in political science. After
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  Speaker 3: you came out of the Air Force, you're an Air
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  Speaker 3: Force veteran, which is great. And then you go to
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  Speaker 3: work in politics. You were in D.C. on K Street.
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  Speaker 3: You worked in campaigns. You were a Democrat. And you
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  Speaker 3: freed yourself from the plantation. And that's what a lot
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  Speaker 3: of us call what the Democrats have done to the
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  Speaker 3: black community. You know, the black community has supported Democrats forever.
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  Speaker 3: And they largely are where they were in a lot
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  Speaker 3: of cases. And so the Democrat Party hasn't helped them.
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  Speaker 3: And so for people like me and probably you at
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  Speaker 3: this point, you wonder why are you still supporting the
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  Speaker 3: Democrats when they haven't done anything for you in 70
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  Speaker 3: or 80 years? But they still do, largely. So why
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  Speaker 3: is that?
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  Speaker 2: Tribalism.
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  Speaker 4: If you understand black people, we are traditionalists. We love tradition.
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  Speaker 4: When we wrap our arms around something, we become very
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  Speaker 4: loyal to it. But I'll tell you the biggest reason
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  Speaker 4: is it's because Dr. King said to do so. When
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  Speaker 4: you look at the data, black people were not overwhelmingly
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  Speaker 4: supporting Democrats until 1964.
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  Speaker 2: When Dr.
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  Speaker 4: King told black people, hey, we're going to get this
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  Speaker 4: Civil Rights Act, we're going to get these civil rights
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  Speaker 4: legislations from LBJ.
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  Speaker 2: So we need you to vote this way.
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  Speaker 4: And ever since 1964, we have been overwhelmingly voting Democrat
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  Speaker 4: for those particular reasons. Now, when you look at what
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  Speaker 4: the Civil Rights Act and those legislations have done to
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  Speaker 4: our community, you can make an argument that it's decimated
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  Speaker 4: the nuclear family unit. And put us in the place
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  Speaker 4: where we are now, where many can argue that we
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  Speaker 4: are a mess from a family standpoint. We are a
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  Speaker 4: mess from an abortion standpoint. We are a mess from
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  Speaker 4: just a growth mindset standpoint. And a lot of it
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  Speaker 4: stems from just us holding on to old traditions, being
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  Speaker 4: stuck in the civil rights movement. And not really taking
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  Speaker 4: an account in inventory of where we are today in 2026, because.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that if you want to talk party.
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  Speaker 4: The best place for black people in 2026 is the
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  Speaker 4: Republican Party. Because when you look at what Democrats are
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  Speaker 4: laying out. it's nothing about family. It's nothing about family unity.
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  Speaker 4: It's dividing the black man and the black woman. It's
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  Speaker 4: black woman, this black woman, that okay. Black women are great,
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  Speaker 4: but how about black people, black men and black women
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  Speaker 4: together has a family and talking about building a family
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  Speaker 4: unit and children and pushing our children into higher education
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  Speaker 4: and things of that nature.
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  Speaker 2: Right. But we have held on to it. Secondly, also
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  Speaker 2: because You get, what's the word I want to use here?
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  Speaker 4: You get shamed in our community if you don't vote Democrat.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you something, Booker. I wanted to
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  Speaker 4: vote for Donald Trump in 2016.
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  Speaker 2: I really did.
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  Speaker 4: But at that time, I was afraid of being shamed
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  Speaker 4: by my friends. And so I reluctantly voted for Hillary,
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  Speaker 4: although I didn't want to. I was like, I like
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  Speaker 4: this Trump guy.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And so I was wrestling with those feelings of fighting
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  Speaker 4: the shame. But I say, hey, I got to be
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  Speaker 4: a man. I got to stand on my square. I
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  Speaker 4: got to stand on what I really believe in. And
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  Speaker 4: those are really American ideals. And if I can't do
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  Speaker 4: that as a man to straighten my back up, then
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  Speaker 4: who am I? And and so that's where a lot
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  Speaker 4: of men need to be and stop worried about being
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  Speaker 4: shamed by.
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  Speaker 2: Those around you and save our community. I mean, when
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  Speaker 2: you look at me, let me tell you, let me
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  Speaker 2: say this. I did the data.
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  Speaker 4: Some people don't like me to say this, but young
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  Speaker 4: black males, you can argue, is possibly safer in the
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  Speaker 4: desert fighting for our country than walking around in an
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  Speaker 4: urban black neighborhood.
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  Speaker 2: Right. That's what the data says.
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  Speaker 3: Baltimore, Memphis, Chicago.
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  Speaker 2: And it's dangerous.
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  Speaker 3: It's dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: But nobody wants to talk about it. And Democrats just
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  Speaker 4: gloss over it. They want to blame everybody else. But
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  Speaker 4: anytime you want to fix something, you got to start internally.
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  Speaker 4: Look yourself in the mirror. And that's why, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I push back and I love my community. But I say, hey,
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  Speaker 4: we got to look at ourselves. We can't blame people.
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  Speaker 4: In America, we live in the greatest nation on the globe.
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  Speaker 4: And we have more opportunities in 2026, more ways to
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  Speaker 4: make money. You can send a tweet today and be
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  Speaker 4: a millionaire by tomorrow morning. The opportunities are there. We
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  Speaker 4: have to take advantage of them. and have a growth
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  Speaker 4: mindset and get rid of the victim mindset and stop
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  Speaker 4: blaming other people. Your destiny is in your hands, my
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  Speaker 4: last piece, and I'll be quiet after this.
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  Speaker 3: No, you won't.
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  Speaker 2: I'll keep you going.
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  Speaker 4: We've got to get back to embracing God. We've got
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  Speaker 4: to bring God back into our homes. We've got to
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  Speaker 4: bring God back into our schools. We've got to bring
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  Speaker 4: prayer back into the ways in which we move, right?
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  Speaker 4: We've got to love people.
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  Speaker 2: And here's the thing. Jesus didn't say, love your neighbor
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  Speaker 2: if they are the same color as you. That's right.
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  Speaker 4: Jesus said, love thy neighbor, period. And so we have
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  Speaker 4: created these, particularly through politics. Listen, I'm disappointed in politics,
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  Speaker 4: be it Democrat or Republican, independent, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Politics has become so, so divisive and it's nasty.
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  Speaker 4: This is not the politics that I fell in love
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  Speaker 4: with as a kid and you know, back in 2008, right?
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  Speaker 4: The way we politic with one another is so nasty.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm really ashamed of it on all sides, right?
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  Speaker 4: But if we start with love at the center, loving
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  Speaker 4: our neighbor, right? Looking out for the least, the last,
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  Speaker 4: and the lost, right? Thinking about Matthew 23 and 11,
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  Speaker 4: it says, the greatest among you will be your servant.
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  Speaker 4: How can I serve my local community? How can I
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  Speaker 4: serve my church? How can I serve my neighbor? How
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  Speaker 4: can I serve my nation And I think we'll be
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  Speaker 4: in better shape when we start with love and get
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  Speaker 4: rid of all of these labels, these pronouns and things
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  Speaker 4: of that nature that we want.
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  Speaker 2: To divide us.
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  Speaker 4: And just think about how God will look at us
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  Speaker 4: and how we carry ourselves and how we're building up
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  Speaker 4: our families and community.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: No, thank you for that word. And when you look
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  Speaker 3: at Jesus's example. You know, he didn't run around telling
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  Speaker 3: people what to do a lot. He told them what
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  Speaker 3: not to do. But the one thing that he did
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  Speaker 3: say is love God with all of your heart. And
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  Speaker 3: like you just said a few minutes ago, he said,
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  Speaker 3: love your neighbor just like that. You know, just like that,
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  Speaker 3: just like you love God with all of your heart.
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  Speaker 3: He said, love your neighbor that way, regardless of color,
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  Speaker 3: regardless of whether you like the guy or the woman
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  Speaker 3: or whatever it is, you're supposed to love them just
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  Speaker 3: as you love God. And I think that's a good point.
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  Speaker 3: There's a couple of things that you brought up. And
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  Speaker 3: by the way, we're almost up to a break. The
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  Speaker 3: time goes really fast when we're doing this. Do you
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  Speaker 3: mind to hang around for another segment?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Great.
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  Speaker 3: So let's go back to something you said. You mentioned
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  Speaker 3: the word community. I've mentioned the black community. That always
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  Speaker 3: makes me uncomfortable, actually, because you talked about the division
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  Speaker 3: within that community. I think that when we say the
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  Speaker 3: Hispanic community or the black community, then we are dividing
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  Speaker 3: them into something else. And I can take this into
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  Speaker 3: the next question that I want to get to, which
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  Speaker 3: will be coming after the break, which is you mentioned MLK.
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  Speaker 3: I want to talk about that and judging someone by
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  Speaker 3: the content of their character instead of the color of
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  Speaker 3: their skin, because I believe there's a lot of that
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  Speaker 3: now where we just judge somebody by the way they look,
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  Speaker 3: their appearance, or whatever it may be. But let's go
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  Speaker 3: back to the community. What do you think about that
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  Speaker 3: when you say the black community? Are we dividing the
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  Speaker 3: black community, the Hispanic community? I don't think there's a
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  Speaker 3: white community. I've never heard that, so I don't know
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  Speaker 3: where we stand. But do you think that adds to
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  Speaker 3: the division in some ways instead of all of us
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  Speaker 3: being Americans or being Christians and loving God? we are
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  Speaker 3: something we have a label.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: So I have conversations with a lot of friends, you know,
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  Speaker 4: many folks on X or just friends about, and they're black.
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  Speaker 4: And the question is, are you black first or the question?
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  Speaker 4: And essentially that means, are you pro black? And I
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  Speaker 4: tell people, listen, I'm a Christian first. I'm God first.
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  Speaker 4: That's my identity as a Christian, to love my neighbor,
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  Speaker 4: to love people and to carry myself in the ways
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  Speaker 4: in which God wants me to. That's that's my first identity.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Then secondly, I'm a proud American. And at the end
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: of the day, hey, if you if you don't recognize God, hey,
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: that's your business.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: I respect it. Hey, but at the core of who
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: we are, we are all Americans, Booker. Right.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: From 1776 to 1770. 2026 we just celebrated 250 glorious
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: years have we had some complexities have we had some
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: mistakes have we had some mishaps in this experiment in
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: democracy absolutely but here we are 250 years still standing
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: still moving forward right as the biggest superpower on the
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: globe and we ought to be proud of all the
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: opportunities here we can take advantage of the economy here
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't want to be living anywhere else. So when
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: you say, are we divided by these, the skin color
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: and the black community, Hispanic community, white community, we are Americans.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: And I just wish that we all would embrace being
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: an American. And Hey, If there are issues you have
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: with this country, it's your American right to lift your
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: voice and use your First Amendment.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Right to talk about it.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I love it. That's what democracy looks like. But when
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: we have all.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: These divided labels, it just makes our country more angrier,
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: more divided, more nastier. Our conversations are nastier. Our politics
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: are nasty. Everybody's looking for the gotcha moment. Everybody's digging
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: in folks past trying to tear their life apart. And
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: we see how that has affected some people from a
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: mental health standpoint. And so I just believe proud Americans today.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: And I think that'll help bring us together.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And how do we do it? You know, that's
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: the tough part. I hear what you're saying. I agree
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: with what you're saying, but it's actually making it a
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: reality that becomes the difficult part. We are up against
• 19:56
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• 20:08
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• 20:11
  Speaker 3: red wave decoding the rise of Donald Trump's black support?
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  Speaker 3: with Booker Scott. I'm Booker. Thank you for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: We are visiting with Damian Thaddeus Jones. The name of
• 21:38
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• 21:48
  Speaker 3: of those. Damian, I want to get to MLK because
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: as I look at things and paying attention to things,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: it seems to me that people are very quick to
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: judge people based on skin color. And I see this
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: from the people in the black community saying it again already,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: but I don't know really how else to say that,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: but I see it. I see racism from all sides
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: of it. And, uh, you know, Are we really to
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: a point that Dr. Martin Luther King wanted us to be,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: where we judge someone by the content of the character
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: of them, as opposed to just the color of their skin?
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Is the color of the skin the first thing we see,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: or are we getting to know people and understand them,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: have a conversation with them, before we make a determination
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: whether we want to continue to have a conversation with them?
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great question.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Unfortunately, Booker, the optics is the first thing we see
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: with people. Now, just because that's the first thing you
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: see should not be how you judge a person's character,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: judge their merit, judge their heart, so forth and so on.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: And as we mentioned, we celebrate Dr. King every year.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: And we say Dr. King said this in this quote, Dr.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: King said that. But we got to remember, Dr. King said,
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: I want my children to be judged by not the
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: color of their skin. but the content of their character.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: And unfortunately in this nation, for so many different reasons,
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: white people are labeled racist just because of the color
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: of their skin. White people are labeled as white supremacists
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: just because of the color of their skin. Folk have
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: not had a conversation with them. They don't know their heart.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: They don't know their faith. But they judge them in
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: such a way. And this type of thinking and this
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: type of practice has become extremely rampant and been normalized
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: in today's society.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: And so, yes, I think Dr. King would be extremely
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: disappointed as to where we are in this country, as
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: how we are not judging people based on their character.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: And how do you do that? But you asked that
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: a moment ago. We've got to be able to sit down,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: as Dr. King would say, at the table of brotherhood.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: And have a conversation with our brother and our sister,
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: regardless of their skin color. Once you talk to people,
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: you'll find out how much you have in common. You'll
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: find out that the economy is affecting you and I
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: the same way. You'll find out that I'm trying to
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: pay daycare the same way you are. You'll find out
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: that when I go to the grocery store, I'm disappointed
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: with what 10 items cost and what they used to
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: cost several years ago.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: We have commonalities there. We find that that at the
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: end of the day, I lay my head down at night.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: I get on my knees and pray just like you do.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: And that has nothing to do with my skin color.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: We pray to the same God to the same God.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: You're trying to work hard at the job, put in
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: 20 years and to be able to put your kids
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: through a better education, better college than you particularly had.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: those are the things that we find out when we
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: put aside our biases and our preconceived notions about people
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: and just say, hey, how's your day?
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: I want to get to know you. And we can
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: talk about it. Dr. King also said this. Dr. King
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: said this when Malcolm X was gunned down.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: He said, we've got to learn how to disagree, Booker,
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: without being violently disagreeable.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: That's powerful.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: And what we see today is not from a violent
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: act standpoint, but in our political discourse, our social discourse,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: if somebody disagrees with us, we become verbally, violently disagreeable.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: We call them an idiot. You're an idiot, first thing.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: We begin to label people. If somebody votes in a
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: way that's different than you, you're an idiot. What their background,
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: what their story, why they vote that way. But you say, hey,
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: you know, I would say for me, as a black man,
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: openly votes for Trump and supports Trump, do you know
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: the names that I'm called each and every day by
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: people who look like me? And it's very disappointing. It
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: used to hurt me some, but I'm used to it now,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: and I just pray for those folks. But that's where
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: we are. And so, yeah, if Dr. King were alive today,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: I think he'd be very disappointed with our public and
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: our social and our political discourse. And I would pray
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: that maybe he would use his voice to try to
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: sway all people back to the sensible center.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: If you could get into MLK's head now, would he
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: be proud of where the black community is now? Have
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: they done everything they possibly could with the opportunities that
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: they have been given or are in some ways they
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: trying to stay back on the plantation and Does that
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: make any sense? What do you think Dr. Martin Luther
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: King would think and feel and say right now in
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: this point in history in America?
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: That's a valuable question, Booker. One, I don't think Dr.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: King would be proud. Listen, when you look at where
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: our public lead, I would say the black public leaders
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: are right. When you look across the landscape, look at this,
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: look at this last, uh.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Well, who do you think the black leaders are? Let's
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: start there. Is it Al Sharpton? Is it people like that?
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: We just lost the Reverend Jesse Jackson is Al Sharpton,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: the black leader.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Well, who is it? Okay. Let me answer that question.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: Um, A lot of leaders, and they are getting older now,
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: it's a lot of people that rode the coattail of Dr.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: King post his death.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: And a lot of those people have driven the black
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: community into the pits of despair because they're lining their
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: own pockets through non-profit work that's supposed to be uplifting
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: the community. Listen, when you look at Alice Sharpton, What
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: is Al Sharpton doing where he's making $ 1 million per year,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: but the black community is still going through some tough times, right?
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: What is Al Sharpton telling the community other than it's
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: the white man's fault?
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Other than we're oppressed.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: And so, no, when you talk about black leadership, when
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: I look across the spectrum, I'm going to be honest
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: with you, Booker, it's very bleak.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see any. I don't know of any.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Because all they push is victim mentality.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Victim mentality. So I don't think Dr. King would be happy.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Listen, Jesse Jackson, God bless him. God bless his family.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: I think he tried to do the best that he
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: knew how.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: I don't disagree with that.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: But I think a lot of black leaders, all they
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: push is victim mindset. There's no empowerment in the message whatsoever.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: They need black people to feel destitute. in order for
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: them to stay in their spots. And meanwhile, a lot
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: of these people are getting rich and rich and rich,
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: and they're going to their ivory tower and they're going
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: to their gated neighborhoods. Meanwhile, they're telling these other black people,
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: you're gonna be poor forever because it's the white man
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: holding you down. And I think, I would believe that Dr.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: King would vehemently disagree with that type of language.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the thing, they use the plantation. They're
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: keeping you on the plantation. The white man is keeping
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: you on the plantation. You have to vote for the
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Democrats to keep you from being on the plantation. Meanwhile,
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: 70 years later, they're still right where they were, and
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: they don't pay attention to the fact that the people
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: that were selling them what they were selling them didn't
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: succeed for them. They didn't help them. And, you know,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: let me say this. Let me real quick.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Let me say this.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I just turned 60 years old this year and my
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: entire life has been under MLK. You know, busing started
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: right when I started elementary school. I had teachers that
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: had taught at the all black school. My assistant principal
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: in high school had come from the all black high school.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: So I'm 60. It's not too terribly old, but it's
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: a part of my life. And I, you know, was
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: taught as a young person by my parents that you
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: don't see color. You know, you just don't see color.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: And so my entire life was that way. I happen
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: to have a grandson, 10 years old. He's black. And
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: I have another grandson that will be here in December.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: And then on the other side, my son has he
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: married a first generation Mexican. So my granddaughter is half Mexican.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: So my family portrait looks more like the United Nations.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: But because I support Donald Trump, I'm a fascist and
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: a racist.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Does that make any sense to you?
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: None whatsoever. None whatsoever. So but you have a beautiful family.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: And what your family looks like is America.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: A melting pot of all types of backgrounds coming together.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: People loving each other regardless of what their skin color.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Listen, I'm from Jackson, Mississippi. Listen, I grew up in
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: the belly of the bees of Jim Crow racism. Right.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: But my parents taught me the same as yours. We
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: don't judge people by color.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Right. We judge people by their heart.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: And so I listen, I love all people.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: I have a two year old daughter and we're teaching
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: her to love people, to love God, to embrace people,
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: to get to know people and not to be driven
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: by these political and these social dividers that we've been
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: pushed by. And so I'll tell you, man, I say
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: it loud and proud. I am a Air Force veteran.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: I am proud to be an American. I am proud
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: to be in this nation. I'm proud to have fought
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: for this nation. I'm proud that my daughter is being raised.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: I'm proud that my wife is in this country. I
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: wouldn't have it any other way. And listen, yes, I
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: take a lot of flack for openly supporting Trump and
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: other Republican candidates. But I feel that's the best way
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: that my family needs to be rooted. Because right now,
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: we're about faith. We're about family. We're about economic empowerment.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: And I love where we are right now. And that's,
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: for me, I believe that's the best place for black
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: people in this country.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: You're listening to Damian Thaddeus Jones. The name of his
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: book is Black Voters, Red Wave, Decoding the Rise of
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump's Black Support. He's also a political strategist, a speaker,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: and a reverend, by the way, at a Baptist church
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: in Jacksonville, Florida. I've enjoyed this conversation so far, but
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: I want to keep it going just a few more
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: minutes before we come up to the next break. And
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: I mentioned my life, 60 years old. I'm probably the
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: first generation. I'm a Generation X, almost as old as
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: you can be and not be a boomer. I'm the
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: second year of an X. And my generation was the
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: first to have lived our entire lives through MLK. And
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: after what I came through over the last four or
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: five years, I don't know what's going on. You understand
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying? I was told all these years that
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: you don't see colors. You judge somebody by the content
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: of their character, not their skin. And yet, now as
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: we go through this socialism march here in America, we're
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: told to do something different. We have boxes of oppression
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: over here, oppression over there, and it doesn't work with
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: the U.S. Constitution. It's written from a form of oppression,
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: but it's written for individual rights and liberties, not for groups.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: And that is intersectionality. That's what's needed to take us
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: into socialism. And for people in all communities, all Americans,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: I would love for people to be able to see
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: that from 30,000 feet, that the division is what is
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: needed to take us where none of us want to go.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: None of us want this nation to go there. But
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: we see it popping up in places like New York City.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: We saw it in Colorado with the election last Tuesday.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: That's not needed in this country. we have to be
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: united and we have to be, you know, we just
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: have to be nice to one another. Uh, politics has
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: become such a big part of so many people's lives.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: It is, you know, what is it? Is, is it
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: our entertainment? Is it our sport in 2026? And hopefully
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: we can change that. I don't know. Do you have
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: thoughts there, Damien?
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Um, you know what?
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: One thing that, that, I love watching. I love watching
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: the House of Representatives proceedings. And if you go back
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: and look at like during the 80s and although, you know,
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: Tip O'Neill, I think Tip O'Neill was speaker.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Speaker when Reagan was there.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Sure was. Right. In that particular time.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: And, you know, you had Newt Gingrich was there during
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: that particular time.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: With Clinton. Gingrich was there with Clinton.
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: And they engaged each other differently. It was still a
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: time of, of, of genteel gentlemen engaging with one another.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: You fast forward to about 2012, 2014, 2016. You look
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: at those proceedings, everybody's lost their mind in the way
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: they engage each other. They're yelling, they're screaming, they're insulting
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: each other, tweeting insults about each other and their families
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: and things of that nature. And people take their cue
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: from their leaders. So if Congress, it's taking personal shots
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: at each other. If Congress is now cursing each other
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: out in public, if Congress is having shouting matches and
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: not staying focused on the issues that they were elected
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: to go legislate, then what do you think the everyday
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: regular people are going to do? And so it's just
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: been a continuum of what they've seen in the halls
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: of Congress and it's trickled down. And Booker, I don't
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: know how to get a handle on it, but one
• 36:31
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• 38:18
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• 39:21
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• 41:08
  Speaker 3: I want to do something a little bit different here
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: in this segment because something bothered me Sunday night when
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I ran across it on Facebook. I'm originally from Nashville, Tennessee.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: I've mentioned that a couple of times. When I was
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: a young child, I was in Nashville and in Brentwood,
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: just south of Nashville. And my dad, for whatever reason,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: I still to this day don't know, probably will never
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: find out. He's been dead for six years now, so
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: I won't be able to ask him at this time anyway.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Maybe one day. Maybe, maybe one day. But I never
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: found out why exactly he wanted to farm because he
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: is from Chicago. He was from Chicago, Illinois, had no
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: experience on a farm, but that's what we did. We
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: bought 11 acres and it was in a bedroom community
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: called Murfreesboro, Tennessee. It's about 25 miles southeast on the
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: way to Chattanooga from Nashville. And that's where I finished
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: growing up. Elementary school, middle school, high school, even went
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: to college there. Back then it was a university town.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: Middle Tennessee State University is there. It was a sleepy
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: little town, really. It was a small community. It was
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: a great place to grow up.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: I loved it.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: And I still have a lot of friends there. I
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: still follow them on Facebook. And I also follow the
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: local radio station. And that's where I'm going to go
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: with this segment. Because of the program that was on
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Sunday night that caught my attention. Have you heard about 287G?
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Do you know what that is, Section 287G of the U.S.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Immigration and Nationality Act? Well, it authorizes the Department of
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Homeland Security to deputize selected state and local law enforcement
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: officers to enforce federal immigration law. So in Murfreesboro, Tennessee,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: which is Rutherford County, which, by the way, it has
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: grown a lot since I grew up there, We moved
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: there in 1976, I believe, and like I said, it
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: was a sleepy little town, a nice little country town
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: is what it was. Now it's huge. It has exploded.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Nashville has exploded, and so has Murfreesboro and Rutherford County.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: It is now the third largest county in the state
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: of Tennessee. You have Memphis, Shelby County, Nashville, Davidson County.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: They're one and two, and then you have Rutherford County.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Murfreesboro is number three. Actually, larger than Chattanooga and larger
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: than Knoxville, a couple of other big cities there in
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: the state of Tennessee. The Rutherford County Sheriff is Mike Fitchew,
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: and he has said that he would never use his
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: deputies to go after illegal immigrants. That's what he said.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: But then there was a little change in the last
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: couple of weeks there in Rutherford County in Murfreesboro with
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: this Section 287G. Sheriff Fitchew has agreed to this 287G,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: which would allow when they arrest an illegal immigrant and
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: there is a detainer for them by ICE, that they
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: will hold the illegal immigrant. To me, it's a no-brainer.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense. Why would you not be for that?
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: If this were a regular criminal, let's say that it
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: was someone that had committed murder in Montana, Would Sheriff
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Fitchew and his deputies not hold that person for extradition
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: to Montana? Of course they would. So if you have
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: an illegal immigrant that is a criminal, which at this point,
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: that's really all Donald Trump and the DHS and ICE
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: are rounding up. They're not rounding up children in schools.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: That's not what they're doing. They're not rounding up just
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: illegal immigrants at this point. They're rounding up the criminals,
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: the ones that have murdered, the ones that have raped.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: That's who they're trying to get off the street. For
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: the life of me, I can't understand why anyone wouldn't
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: want that. Just because they're illegal immigrants, for some reason,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: they want to give these people a pass. That's what
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: the left is saying. And when I went to Facebook
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: and I came across this story, it was a live
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: radio program In my former hometown of Murfreesboro, Tennessee, in Murfreesboro, Tennessee,
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Rutherford County voted heavily for Donald Trump in the 2024 election.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: It was 60-40, 60% Donald Trump, 40% for Kamala Harris.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Close to it.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: It was a blowout. There is no doubt that Rutherford County, Tennessee,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: is a red county. It is also a Donald Trump county.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: It is a MAGA county. That's really what it is.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: So when I came across this story and this show,
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: I was shocked at what I heard. I'm going to
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: play some of this for you because I think it's
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: important for us to understand the other perspective and what
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: the other side is saying. Because what they are saying
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: is nothing like I'm saying. I say this all the
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: time about illegal immigrants. It's time for them to go.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: We need to get these criminals out of here. And
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: it needs to be done now. So when people start
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: talking the way these guys did, and really what they're
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: doing is calling Sheriff Fitchew onto the carpet for making
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: an agreement with the Homeland Security in this 287G. They
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: don't want their deputies to hold criminal illegal aliens in
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: their jail. But I was shocked at what I heard
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: on this local small radio station in Murfreesboro, Tennessee from
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Ed Raymer. is the guy's name who does the show
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: on Sunday night. Along with him was the Democrat National
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Committee chairman for Rutherford County. His name is Matt Fee.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: And here he is talking about what happened two weeks
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: ago when Fichu said, we're not going to do this.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: We're not going to have our deputies going after illegal immigrants.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: And then the activism that they created to get people
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: to show up to a council meeting, county government meeting,
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: to try to make their voices heard so that the
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: sheriff would not do this agreement. Here is the DNC
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: chairman in the county of Rutherford County, Tennessee. His name
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: is Matt Fee.
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: I think I noticed a social media post from someone
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: that said, hey, Rutherford County is now pending a 287G
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: agreement with ICE. So just so everybody knows, a 287G
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: is basically like a– it gives– local police ability to
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: do work for ICE in, you know, either as themselves
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: or in the jail or whatever. You know, so having
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: noticed that, you know, that was the first time it
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: had come up. I don't know how long it had
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: been pending, but basically you go to ICE's website and
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: you can see all of the, you know, law enforcement
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: agencies that are pending any kind of agreement with ice
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: or all the ones that are actually active. And it
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: was noticed, excuse me, you know, Rutherford County is now
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: showing pending for a warrant service officer.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: Um, so I mentioned, Hey, you know, if you want
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: to say something about it, there's a public safety meeting
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: coming up on Monday, you know, let's go there and say,
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: you want to talk about the sheriff's report.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: And, um, So that's how we got there. There was
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: multiple groups involved, especially Remix TN. They're like an immigrant.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Advocacy group.
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: And they did a lot of work with coordinating and
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: getting people to sign up for public comment at that meeting.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: So they go to the public meeting and they make comments.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Everybody that spoke was against this 287G agreement. If you
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: go to ice.gov slash identify and arrest, if you go
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: to that website, you will see every state and county
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: and city that is involved with ICE and the 287G agreement.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: I can tell you this. I'm looking at the map now. California, Oregon, Washington,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: and Illinois, those are four states that have no agreement
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: with ICE. That is not surprising. You also have a
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: little bit of Delaware, a little bit of Vermont, the
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: entire state of Connecticut, the entire state of New Jersey,
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: all of those states have no agreement with ICE, which
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: means these illegal immigrants that are committing crimes and have
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: committed crimes where they came from are running free in
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: these states, and these states are doing nothing to help
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump and ICE get these people out of here.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: But I want to go back to the radio show
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: on 1450 WGNS in Murfreesboro. Listen to the comments now
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: from Ed Raymer as they continue the conversation.
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: Here's the rub. At the public safety meeting, as we mentioned, everyone,
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: those that spoke, all against. Now what we're talking about
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: with ICE, we're talking about the guys that are coming
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: in with the mask and they don't have to have
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: They don't have to have a reason, to my knowledge.
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: They can come in and just pick you up and
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: take you off and, I guess, do what they want.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's a lie. That's not true. And I don't
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: even know why Ed Raymer on this radio show is
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: saying that. He doesn't know what he's talking about, and
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: he probably shouldn't be talking about it. Both of these
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: guys are leftists. They're Democrats. Again, in a city and
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: a county that was heavily favoring Donald Trump in the
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: 2024 elections. The things that he says are important to
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: understand from the perspective of the left and what they
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: are saying against Donald Trump and the things that his
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: administration is doing. You hear him say that these ICE
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: people are wearing the masks. You know, it's obvious that
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: they watch MSNBC because that's the narrative that they are
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: teaching people over there. Well, they're wearing masks. I've covered
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: it on this show before so that they are not killed.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: It's for their protection is what it's for. Let's go
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: back to Ed Raymer. He is the host of the show.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: Let's let him run his mouth a little bit more.
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: Trump has given them where to do this. They're going
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: to fool around. Someone's going to get hurt. And basically,
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: we don't know who these people are.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: To my knowledge, they're a bunch of thugs.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: He's talking about ICE there. We don't know who these
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: people are. Well, let me tell you who they are.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: Ed Raymer and WGNS. They are... federal law enforcement officers.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: They have gone through training. They have gone through background checks.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: They are wearing masks so that other people don't try
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: to hurt them because leftist, liberal, stupid Democrats in some
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: of these cities have tried to hurt them. They have
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: doxed them. Politicians have doxed them. So why wouldn't they
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: wear a mask? They are not thugs. They are federal
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: law enforcement officials. And what you're talking about, Ed Raymer
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: and WG & S, is dangerous. You are dangerous. Not
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump and not ICE.
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: So here's the thing, right? We were talking about this
• 52:06
  Speaker 6: a little bit earlier before we came on the air.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: And listen how much Matt Fee uses the word right.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: I talked about it last week, about a linguistic tie-down.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: When someone isn't confident in what they're saying or they're
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: trying to sell you something, they will use right in
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: a rhetorical way. This guy has a real problem with it.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: He can't say two sentences without saying right, which is
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: a tie down to further the conversation on something that
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: you don't know what you're really talking about. And you're
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: just trying to sell something to someone. Here he goes.
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: The agreement that was pending at the time was for
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: a warrant service officer. To my knowledge, what that means
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: is that if someone is brought into the Rutherford County
• 52:50
  Speaker 6: Jail and ICE has a civil warrant against that person, then...
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: Rutherford County Sheriff's deputies can serve that warrant on that
• 53:00
  Speaker 6: person in the jail. Whereas before, ICE would have to
• 53:04
  Speaker 6: come and do that themselves. So even though it may be,
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: let's call it the least of the bad options in
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: these 287G agreements with ICE, to me, the fact of
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: the matter is that Rutherford County is entering into an
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: agreement with ICE. I don't care what model it is.
• 53:24
  Speaker 6: I don't care that you're You know, whether it's the
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: one that sends deputies out into the community to do,
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: you know, task force work.
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: I don't want that one. I don't want them doing
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: anything on ICE's behalf.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: Why not? Why wouldn't you? Because these are criminals that
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump and ICE are getting out of this country.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: They are bad people. These are people that murdered Lake
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: and Riley, Nungaree. And I could go on, list the
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: names over and over. It happened for years. It's still
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: happening every day. Why wouldn't you want these people out
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: of your country? Do you want them to live next
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: door to you, Matt Fee, Ed Raymer on WGNS radio?
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: You want these people for your neighbors? They committed rapes.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: They molested children, murderers. You don't know who they are.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: Joe Biden never knew who they were. None of these
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: people were vetted. So now ICE is making agreement with
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: a town like Murfreesboro, Tennessee, Rutherford County, Tennessee. And the
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: sheriff there, Mike Fitchew, I actually went to high school
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: and middle school with both of his daughters. They don't
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: want to make an agreement there in Rutherford County that
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: the jail will just hold these bad guys that ICE
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: has a detainer on. They would rather have them released
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: onto their streets. And these people think they make any sense.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: They think Donald Trump is the bad guy. That ICE
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: is the bad guy. I want you to understand this
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: perspective because This perspective is out there all over the country.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: If it's there in a place like Murfreesboro, Tennessee, it's everywhere.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Let's go on with it.
• 54:59
  Speaker 6: Because it's just like what you said. You know, we
• 55:01
  Speaker 6: see these videos and reports every single day right now
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: where ICE is just disappearing people off the street for
• 55:10
  Speaker 6: almost no reason whatsoever except for the fact that they
• 55:15
  Speaker 6: have the color of their skin.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: Wait just a minute. For no other reason than the
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: color of their skin, he says, they broke a law.
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  Speaker 3: They came into this country when they weren't supposed to.
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  Speaker 3: Let's start there. Let's get the people out of here
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  Speaker 3: that aren't supposed to be here, especially the criminals. I'm Booker,
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  Speaker 3: and you've been listening to The Truth Be Told. I
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  Speaker 3: appreciate that. And don't forget, you were told 2,000 years
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  Speaker 3: ago that you are the salt of the earth. And
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  Speaker 3: salt without flavor, it has no value. So whatever you do,
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  Speaker 3: keep being salty. Have a great night.
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  Speaker 1: There is only one truth. You've been listening to The
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  Speaker 1: Truth Be Told with Booker Scott on America Out Loud.